Milwaukee Surge - The Gentleman's Impact Driver
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Impact Drivers are great tools and can make driving fasteners a breeze compared to a higher powered drill. Yet while compact and powerful, they also pack a noise profile that is incredibly annoying.
Hydraulic Impact Drivers seek to change that, by giving you a lot of the benefits of an impact driver while also decreasing the noise level to a more tolerable level, especially when working indoors or in confined spaces.
Buy the Milwaukee Surge at the Home Depot:
M18 Surge
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M12 Surge
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Music Credits:
The Devil's Sway / I'm Not That Girl (Instrumental Version) / courtesy of www.epidemicsound.com
Note: If you use the self-tapping screw setting, you MUST pull the trigger all the way (or at least past 1/2) to activate the automatic stopping. If you try to drive a self-tapping screw slowly with less than 1/2 trigger pull, it operates in conventional impact mode and strips the screw every time.
When you use the impact driver to drive normal screws, the extra power not needed, and the low noise is priceless
I’m actually starting to like my drill for driving screws because my impact is loud and impacts almost the whole time it’s driving a screw.
The M18 Surge is my favourite impact driver out of all 6 ones we have in the workshop. I don't use it for drilling though, just for screwing. So smooth and quiet. But with a 2Amp battery, light and handy. Significantly more power and less vibration that the M12 Surge, which is very nice as well.
They are great impacts. Especially indoors.
M18 Fuel surge is by far in my top 3 Favorites. Awesome video brother
It won't ever replace a standard impact for bigger jobs, but so much of what I do is on smaller fasteners, indoors and there is just nothing else for the job.
You had the surges on the metal screw setting. It’s designed to not overspin self tappers in metal studs. Common mistake, that is not a drill setting. You use 3 for drilling.
I’ll double check it in the morning but even going back and looking at the video I believe they were all in speed 3.
The setting is why the drill kept stopping when boring👍
@@TinkerWithTools, you are correct…he is incorrect! I rewatched the video, pausing to double check you had each of the drills in position “3” and you did!!
It just goes to show you how wrong people are on the Internet. They’d rather throw a negative or incorrect comment out, especially if it’s an I gotcha type situation.
Here’s what I’d do prior to testing a tool, in order to mitigate anyone contesting how you conducted a test. Prior to testing show the tool with the selected option, e.g. “As you can see the drill is in speed 2 (show the camera), we’re using a 3 amp HO battery and the battery is full (show the battery strength meter to the camera).
Unfortunately you have to be this descriptive and granular in order to verify to the world that you’re doing as you say.
I appreciate the advice.
Well you’re at least correct on one item, the 4th impact selector option is designed for sheet metal type applications, to automatically cutoff after the software detects the sheet metal screw offering resistance or once it’s seated.
However, you are 100% incorrect regarding the Surge drills selector option switch position, “neither” the M12 or M18 Surge Impact was in the 4th selector switch position. He used positIon “3” for all impacts tested.
I have the M 18 fuel search and I love it because it’s so precise and so quiet
I agree! They are great!
I've got the M18 fuel and the M12 surge. Great combination.
I can do everything with those two impacts from large structural screws and lags with the m18 to small metal screws for metal stud and cabinet work with the M12 surge.
Great review! I have both the standard Fuel M12 and M18 impact drivers and this more or less convinced me to pull the trigger on the M12 Surge. I absolutely love it.
Glad it could help!
I just bought the m12 surge it’s nice and smooth for small stuff. I also have the stealth this is quieter but not great with small faster it tends to cam out on small fasters unless you put a lot of pressure on the back of it.
I have loved the m12.
Your doing a great job with the channel man. I’m lovin your content. Keep ‘em comin brother 👊
Thank you!
I own the 12&18 volt Milwaukee Surge driver. I also have the Makita 18v version (Oil Impact). I use the Makita the most due to the handle ergonomics, fits in my hand perfect. My least favorite is the M12 Surge because of the grip. The grip is thicker because of the battery design that is inserted up in the handle as opposed to the slide on battery the others have. The oil impact drivers fits the bill for 99% of what I do, if I’m driving lags I’m reaching for the 18V impact wrench anyway, if anyone is on the fence it’s a no brainer, hope this helps.
Thanks for the input.
@@TinkerWithTools 👍
Thanks! I decided to buy M12 surge!
I think you will enjoy it.
I own both m18 gen 3 n surge, I grab the surge more often, unless I just need to drive in huge screws which isn’t very often lol
I agree. It’s nicer to use.
m18 surge works great for me driving screws I wouldn't even consider using it for drilling over my m18 hand drill
Great video
Thank you!
The Ridgid Stealth Force was also a pulse drive impact driver.
It’s too bad it was discontinued.
Yeah, ridgid had one... Makita and Metabo HPT or Hikoki have one. I just want to see make a second generation.
@@TinkerWithTools What is the Metabo version called.
HiKOKI WHP18DBL (NN) (L) 14.4V 18V.
That’s the listing on eBay. I haven’t tried it but viewers have suggested it.
@@TinkerWithTools I googled pulse driven, and some models with SSD in the name came up.
Your m18 surge is broken. You need to send it in for warranty. M18 surge can drive anything without issue.
I’ll look into that.
My surges do not stop with a good battery. If my battery is old or aftermarket it will stop. The surge noise level is worth all other assets. I agree m12 surge is the best except I am running big lag bolts.
The M12 Surge is my 2nd most used tool I own. Right behind the DCF601 Screwdriver. They make a great 1-2 punch. I rarely, if ever need to bring out anything larger between those 2.
The surge is great... I am excited for where they might take it in gen 2. We haven't really seen a second generation on any of the quiet impact drivers that I know of so it would be nice to see what improvements could be made.
@@TinkerWithTools I agree. I'd love to see a next gen Surge. My HD says they cant keep them in stock. But they seem to be split on the internet lol. I love mine. I wish I could get the Hikoki Hydraulic driver, but I've only found on ebay and its near $400. Im not that interested lol
@@TinkerWithTools the new line of high output batteries should increase performance of the m12 series.
Hopefully you make a video of Hilti Nuron tools. THANKS 😊
Trying to work it into the lineup. Stay tuned.
Isn’t the point of those tools for driving home fasteners and not drilling holes? Isn’t drillings holes and such a job for a traditional tool?
You are correct. The point of the drilling was just to help try and show the relative strength of the different tools tested. Plus people do drill with impact drivers all the time so I am sure people do the same with a surge as well.
I have concerned getting one I just don't want to spend the money but I do low voltage and we hang a fair amount of TV's and I'll generally use a drill for the lags just because of noise
I think they are a great tool but I am also a big proponent of finding something that works for you. A drill certainly is an alternative to a traditional impact as well.
From what I have seen the m12 seems to be stronger . Can’t say for sure though l just got the regular m12 fuel.
it always felt strange to me that they would both have the same specs but then for the smaller (yet newer) tool to out perform the M18 seems odd to me too.
@@TinkerWithTools technology wins for the newer tool
M18 Surge or M18 Gen 4 impact driver?
Does no one on RUclips have 6.0 ah batteries for the m12s??? 🤔
I have 6ah M12 batteries but I am not sure I did back when I made this video.
I’ve had the same issues with the m18 surge not being as powerful as the m12 surge I use a 5amp for the m18surge and a6amp for the m12 surge
Do the bigger batteries mitigate the power difference at all. I had a 5 on the M18 for that test and only a 2 on the M12
@@TinkerWithTools Yes, higher AH batteries have more cells that can balance a large draw over each cell. Say the drill is drawing 10 amps from 2 cells for the 2 AH battery, that's 5 amps from each cell. That's a lot of strain on 2 cells. If you use the higher AH batteries it can spread the 10 amp current draw over, lets say 5 cells for the 6 AH equaling only 2 amps drawn from each cell giving the drill far more power headroom. There's also a limit for ever drill and battery. I would bet you would feel no difference between a 5AH and 6AH m12 battery (if they even make them). Not sure I summarized that well at all, sorry if I make no sense I'm no teacher.
My m18 surge cuts out the same way. Did you find a way to resolve the issue? It's just inconsistent.
I haven’t. I’ll have to check if that one is still in warranty. It’s one of my older Milwaukee tools.
damn still super loud tho D: would not use it in a house! but niiice
In person it’s louder than a drill but not to the point where I wouldn’t consider using it in doors.
I need to ask. Why not use a small/medium drill to fasten screws? All that racket. Just tell me why? Is it just because of the compact size? Is it the control?
You are basically a stealth ninja using the drill.
When it comes down to it, it will be user preference. I am not against a drill but I do feel that the control of the surge is better than most drills. For people that prefer impact drivers this is good answer to reduce the noise.
@@TinkerWithTools Well I hear you. I'm just curious. I feel the drill is being put aside on areas where it actually shines. Silent fastening being one.
I'm really interested in the m12 surge. I have the cblid M18 impact and cblid M18 Drill with 5ah batteries. I'm thinking of getting the m12 smaller drill and the m12 surge for around the house use. M18 often being overkill for DIY work.
I think it goes in waves. For me using the right tool for the job is key. For a task like you describe I will often go to something like the installation drill driver form Milwaukee and others.
You should test the M18 with the high output batteries.
We will have to do a follow up and look at that.
I went with the 5ah for that video since that is what they come with in a kit.
I don't really use impacts for just about any drilling if you have a powerful drill I think it's faster
I agree the drill is faster. I think an impact can have a use case in some drilling especially in small confined spaces or if you don’t have anti-kickback like some drills have.
Curious how that m12 would perform with the new HO 2.5 and 5.0. Or even how it would have performed with XC 4 or 6.
I don’t own any CP batteries besides the 2.5 HO, and this is intentional
We have done testing on those batteries. It won’t feature these two impacts but this video was released before those batteries were even announced.
@@TinkerWithTools I figured since this is 10 months old, just wanted to comment my thoughts out loud.
@@ChrisBranleh sounds good. Thanks for watching!
my M18 surge does not cut off like yours in the video. something doesn't seem right
have you tried it on a larger bit. Mine only does it when I push beyond something similar to a 3 1/2" deck screw. Under that it's actually really awesome. I first noticed it when I tried to put in a 6" long spax structural screw. It just didn't want to drive it.
I’ve taken lug nuts off to test mine out and it impacted for a long while and never cut out. Something seems off here.
M18 fuel was not faster than the m18 surge in the screws lol.....7.4 vs 7.1
You are correct. I didn’t know it won until editing. Thanks for the catch.
@@TinkerWithTools just looking out I really want you to succeed in your channel .You do your homework and bring back good information, and test it with real life scenarios thnx for what you do.
I appreciate it!
Is the m18 surge on speed 3?
Yes it was.
I have the m12 surge and I only use it for light tasks inside the house. As much as I hate to make excuses for the Milwaukee fan girls 😆 I wouldn't use surge for any task that requires power...
As of most comfortable impact to use is makita for me by far.
Like I said in the video, if you are doing bigger tasks, I don't think it's the tool for the job, but for the lighter duty stuff, I think it's great. I wish more companies would make a hydraulic impact, especially in the 12v lineups.
Also, the Makita is great. I hope to have a video on it soon.
@@TinkerWithTools yes you did cover all those things in the video...great job
@@TinkerWithTools makita makes the oil impulse impulse, I just wasn't gonna spend $200 on it
As a professional contractor, I can say that impact drivers have their place. But their place isn't drilling nor driving screws, especially inside a cabinet.
Their place as an impact driver is not driving screws? What do you use it for?
@@MrNickyDalenzseriously he's clearly not an electrician it's perfect for finish out work
Be a man and use a drill for drilling holes. Impacts are used for fastening to material, not drilling through it. Oh and use DeWalt with a flexi on it. Ur man parts will turn up in a week after the use the DeWalt
7:22 is speed 2 not 3
It is in speed 3. The extra light you can see that isn’t lit up is for the self tapping screw setting.
I’m here because of man caver tools
Thanks. I appreciate it.