wow how came u ppl come to conclusion by only one regime of BJp India is hindutv@ democracy...just wow ..how this ppl jaundised toward secular democracy of india by just one bjp rule ...come on u ppl r from theocratic I$lamic state ..sorry india still and will remain secular but will keep its h!ndu traditions alive
how peple still think we can be united.. on one hand one culture belive in proselytize and only one g0d ,gazva a hind and other side which is no such concept and more liberal culture.. what idiosyncrasy
Salutations to Pervez Hoodbhoy Sahab. This concludes first ten episodes of this very interesting interaction with Azhar Sahab. Nice to see some honest realist intelligent people trying to make sense of where people of Pakistan are, how they reached here and what are the options looking ahead. Have been following most of the interactions and lecture series of Black Hole. You have contributed tremendously in our understanding of the issues facing you and where could be common areas of interest I would like to follow the discussion till its conclusion in another 6 episodes. Keep it up 👍
I first time heard Ideology of Pakistan from Gen Nawabzada Sher Ali Khan, Minister of Information during Yahya regime, and then frm Jamaat e Islami which had opposed creation of Pakistan.
I dont know if there is any confusion in the ideology of Pakistan, it's written on the wall, Pakistan ka matlab kya "lah ila illalah" or Islam. Islam has three main ideologies: 1. Political or pan Islamism or Umma that preaches to rule the entire world and enforce sharia 2. Religious - Convert as many to Islam and hate others impose jiziya, dont be friends etc. 3. Cultural - which is very much Arabic since Muhammad was from there Someone who follows above 3 is a Pakistani. Now Lets see Hindutuva 3 principles: 1. Common Nation Rashtra - you consider yourself the people of Bharat (geographically from Himalaya to the Ocean) and this nation as your mother 2. Common Ethnicity - That you consider yourself from one of the ethnicities of Bharat like Tamil, bengali, bihari, punjabi, mallyalwi, maratha, telgu etc. etc. 3. Common Culture - that you follow your ethnic culture which includes language, rituals, arts, beliefs, philosophy, codes of manners and dress etc. overall present-day states of India...someone who follows this is Indian as per BJP or Savarkar
Artition was very god for india. The people of present day pakistan always joine hans with invaders in looting delhi. But for partition, afgha,pashtun, al kayda ISIS,central asians etc.would have feasted on our hard earned money. Loss of small territory was worth getting rid of these perpetual invaders. Jinnah sahib, thanks a lot tah e dil se
If Muslim community wants to establish a state with majority, it is advised in the Quran "the affairs of the Muslims are run on the basis of their mutual consultation" 42:38. This does not mean that Islam is giving you a constitution. Having a constitution is your need. You will come up with based on your needs of your time. Islam and Quran is here to prepare you for the hereafter if you want to. Quran is not a constitution. It is book of Allah to guide you for the hereafter.
in a way, all the liberal Pakistani who dont (really wanna) follow true Quran, want to speak native language like Punjabi etc., (want to) follow the culture of their lands, and consider (respect) their land as Maa, are following the Hindutva philosophy........conflict starts with the ones who took Quran too seriously and start imposing Arabic culture...
Mr Hood Bhoy is an intellectual person_creation of Pakistan does not need any research _Pakistan was created by the British Raj _there was no Pakistan movement in Sind,NWFp (KPK)and Balochistan __this Pakistan Movement existed only in UP(_even the Ulemas of Deoband and Jamat Islami in UP rejected the partition) beside among the nawabs of Bengal!! The British India library documents are there _the book written by Lord Mountbatten clearly confesses_that Pakistan was created by the British with the horrible partition of Punjab which deprived the Sikhs from their holy places beside the capital of Maharaja RanjitSingh_Lahore!! With this artificial Pakistan _Sind_KPK and Balochistan have become colonies of Punjab and are suffering at the hands of Punjabi generals!! Of Pakistan army which suffers from demographic imbalance where most of the soldiers are recruited from Punjab!! I am surprised how come this highly qualified person Mr Hood bhoy is still in Pakistan!!!!
Sorry to inform both the anchors that India is the most secular country where you will find every religion flourishing they are many states where the chief ministers are from different religion and it is not at all an issue govt welfare schemes do not discriminate on caste creed or religion for the poor we in India are miles ahead on such issues
Don't be half read when you write about some thing or someone. Sawarkar was and is controversial but he was not that influential as this making him to be. E was part of revolutionary strand. Before writing about controversial man read about him in whole not in bits and pieces. About Dalit he was the one who initiated lot of reform for the first time. He was beef eater and he was great Marathi poet.
All these discussions about the past and history of Pakistan is quite frivolous. It just doesn't make any sense. What should be discussed is how to take Pakistan out of the complete mess it is finding itself in. All you intellectuals of Pakistan is simply wasting a lot of time when the country is in a seemingly inextricable situation.
wow how came u ppl come to conclusion by only one regime of BJp India is hindutv@ democracy...just wow ..how this ppl jaundised toward secular democracy of india by just one bjp rule ...come on u ppl r from theocratic I$lamic state ..sorry india still and will remain secular but will keep its h!ndu traditions alive
how peple still think we can be united.. on one hand one culture belive in proselytize and only one g0d ,gazva a hind and other side which is no such concept and more liberal culture..
what idiosyncrasy
Salutations to Pervez Hoodbhoy Sahab. This concludes first ten episodes of this very interesting interaction with Azhar Sahab. Nice to see some honest realist intelligent people trying to make sense of where people of Pakistan are, how they reached here and what are the options looking ahead.
Have been following most of the interactions and lecture series of Black Hole. You have contributed tremendously in our understanding of the issues facing you and where could be common areas of interest
I would like to follow the discussion till its conclusion in another 6 episodes. Keep it up 👍
I first time heard Ideology of Pakistan from Gen Nawabzada Sher Ali Khan, Minister of Information during Yahya regime, and then frm Jamaat e Islami which had opposed creation of Pakistan.
Correct name was Lala Lajpat Rai.
I dont know if there is any confusion in the ideology of Pakistan, it's written on the wall, Pakistan ka matlab kya "lah ila illalah" or Islam. Islam has three main ideologies:
1. Political or pan Islamism or Umma that preaches to rule the entire world and enforce sharia
2. Religious - Convert as many to Islam and hate others impose jiziya, dont be friends etc.
3. Cultural - which is very much Arabic since Muhammad was from there
Someone who follows above 3 is a Pakistani.
Now Lets see Hindutuva 3 principles:
1. Common Nation Rashtra - you consider yourself the people of Bharat (geographically from Himalaya to the Ocean) and this nation as your mother
2. Common Ethnicity - That you consider yourself from one of the ethnicities of Bharat like Tamil, bengali, bihari, punjabi, mallyalwi, maratha, telgu etc. etc.
3. Common Culture - that you follow your ethnic culture which includes language, rituals, arts, beliefs, philosophy, codes of manners and dress etc.
overall present-day states of India...someone who follows this is Indian as per BJP or Savarkar
Artition was very god for india. The people of present day pakistan always joine hans with invaders in looting delhi. But for partition, afgha,pashtun, al kayda ISIS,central asians etc.would have feasted on our hard earned money. Loss of small territory was worth getting rid of these perpetual invaders.
Jinnah sahib, thanks a lot tah e dil se
If Muslim community wants to establish a state with majority, it is advised in the Quran "the affairs of the Muslims are run on the basis of their mutual consultation" 42:38. This does not mean that Islam is giving you a constitution. Having a constitution is your need. You will come up with based on your needs of your time. Islam and Quran is here to prepare you for the hereafter if you want to. Quran is not a constitution. It is book of Allah to guide you for the hereafter.
in a way, all the liberal Pakistani who dont (really wanna) follow true Quran, want to speak native language like Punjabi etc., (want to) follow the culture of their lands, and consider (respect) their land as Maa, are following the Hindutva philosophy........conflict starts with the ones who took Quran too seriously and start imposing Arabic culture...
Mr Hood Bhoy is an intellectual person_creation of Pakistan does not need any research _Pakistan was created by the British Raj _there was no Pakistan movement in Sind,NWFp (KPK)and Balochistan __this Pakistan Movement existed only in UP(_even the Ulemas of Deoband and Jamat Islami in UP rejected the partition) beside among the nawabs of Bengal!! The British India library documents are there _the book written by Lord Mountbatten clearly confesses_that Pakistan was created by the British with the horrible partition of Punjab which deprived the Sikhs from their holy places beside the capital of Maharaja RanjitSingh_Lahore!! With this artificial Pakistan _Sind_KPK and Balochistan have become colonies of Punjab and are suffering at the hands of Punjabi generals!! Of Pakistan army which suffers from demographic imbalance where most of the soldiers are recruited from Punjab!! I am surprised how come this highly qualified person Mr Hood bhoy is still in Pakistan!!!!
Pakistan zindabad forever!
Dr Hoodbhoy: Exploring the original history of Pakistan.
Sir please make it available in Pakistan the link in description for Pakistan is sold out
Sorry to inform both the anchors that India is the most secular country where you will find every religion flourishing they are many states where the chief ministers are from different religion and it is not at all an issue govt welfare schemes do not discriminate on caste creed or religion for the poor we in India are miles ahead on such issues
Gill sb, jinko keh rahe, they socalled taqatwars damn care about ppl. Don't know in which state of mind they hv gone, certainly not for Pakistanis.
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Don't be half read when you write about some thing or someone. Sawarkar was and is controversial but he was not that influential as this making him to be. E was part of revolutionary strand. Before writing about controversial man read about him in whole not in bits and pieces.
About Dalit he was the one who initiated lot of reform for the first time. He was beef eater and he was great Marathi poet.
All these discussions about the past and history of Pakistan is quite frivolous. It just doesn't make any sense. What should be discussed is how to take Pakistan out of the complete mess it is finding itself in. All you intellectuals of Pakistan is simply wasting a lot of time when the country is in a seemingly inextricable situation.
Lala Laj pat rai