She was 33 and tommen actor was 16. She was being the responsible adult. Because the dark web users or the uneducated keep saying this is the comments and I don't like repeating myself 70 times, I better put it here. Yes, the legal age of consent in Britain is 16. Most of these scenes took place in Morocco and the legal age of consent there is 18. But say they shot this in Britain for argument's sake, and that it's 16. The act of sex done privately between two consenting people is 16+, the act of filming very intimate scenes that don't even have to include the act of sex with a person under the age of 18 can be classed as.... any guesses......child porn So yeah, she was being a responsible adult. She didn't want to take part in that and she's being damn smart.
@@GStampedeIII the actress as a 33yo woman didn't want to enact a sex scene with a boy that had just reached the legal age. A child. They wanted her to strip to the waist fully and show her ass to a literal teenage boy and she refused to for his overall wellbeing and because she's not a nonce. Pretending to burn a fully clothed girl who definitely would have heard of the burning of witches in Scotland and America won't be as traumatic for the actor. Pretending to hang a 14yo who again, is English so he'd have learnt about the medieval death penalty in his schooling and again, fully clothed isn't the same.
@@augustusfreeman4032 100% agree but in this day and age of people in this industry being absolute creeps like Dan Schneider and Harvey Weinstein, it’s good seeing actual people stand up for this bullshit
@@augustusfreeman4032I agree but the fact that even in real life there are still plenty of 30 years old (mostly men) going out with 16 or 18 yrs old just means that it’s gonna take a long wayy until decency is normalize
@@augustusfreeman4032 Absolutely agreed. But praising it as loudly as you can when you see it will go a long way towards making people notice these things. I wonder how many people would have even thought twice about this scene, had it not been brought up and explained to them.
@@ieradossantos Nah fr. George RR Martin is a genius and his work wasn’t finished, Dumb and Dumber showed their true colours as soon as they weren’t able to copy and paste from him.
@ladyalicent705 In the UK, you are considered an adult at 16 and are no longer underage. Would have been creepy though but definitely a fantasy for a lot of 16 year old boys.
@@johnberwyn23 Yeah sorry that’s BS. Age of majority in the UK is 18, like most other countries in the world. 16 year old persons are sometimes able to consent to sexual activity under certain circumstances, but only with people not too much older than them. It is not even remotely legal for a 35 year old man (or, in this case, a 35 year old woman) to screw a 16 year old. That’s only legal for mainly other 16 year olds and maybe people one or two years older. To counter your second point, and this may shock you, but a lot of 16 year old girls have fantasies too, sometimes involving older men. Does that make it any less disgusting or illegal for him to take advantage of that? Of course not. So the same applies to young boys
Exactly. And I feel like Natalie played Margery perfectly in the scene. Also a super sexual scene between them would make everyone a little grossed out by Margery so I like that she also saved her character some dignity.
Considering they left in the incest,murder and rape. And it's acting and not real. It's really just stupid hollywood virtue signaling to not do it. All those actors knew what was expected and what the job was before they took the money. I don't like to clean the bathroom at work but I will because it's part of the job.
I agree, and her *character* is a piece of work villainess who'd engage in child-rape, at least she refused to go along with *That* kind of Hellscape felony... yet those who'd in any way support that really do belong in *prison* as long as it can be *feasibly proven*, and for *life* at that. Any director who suggests that any stage-worker rape a kid on set really does belong in *prison for life* if it is proven that that was pushed- that kind of thing's a *FELONY*! Yet there're ways around it, such as hinting at that kind of perverted mindset in her character's head; such as her character acting like lover to the kid- that's PERVERTED, but at least protects the state-workers! Whoever thinks that sex-scenes on screen are even REMOTELY okay is unworthy of anything Besides prison and incineration for that kind of putting children in moral danger!
She didn’t need a sex scene to depict the intention of that scene. In fact, the acting was so good in that scene, it would’ve been worse had they depicted actual sex
All they had do was end the scene with a shot of the door being closed or like any shot that isn't her actively leaving and everyone will get the implied sex
I absolutely loved that scene , the fact he was still a child she recognized the fact that sexual connection wouldn’t work either , if she wanted to replace Cersis influence she had to bond with him emotionally so building a friendship meant way more as well to bringing him to her side which worked by the wedding he adored her as a woman but also respected and trusted her as well and it worked like a charm .
Actually they had sex. In the book as well...and in the scene Tommen asks Margery if it was good for her as it was for him... She lied to him obviously, because he was a child. But they still had sex...GoT isn't known for being wholesome.
@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lwno they did not in the book, Tommen is literally 2 years old in the book and she gifts him a kitten, there is nothing sexual in the book
@@catspajamboree True, I stand corrected. Thanks. But the books are still very obscene. It's annoying when people defend the books over the show as if defending art over the defacing of said art. It's not a show for kids...and neither are the books. The scene with Tommen and Margery is like the least obscene of them all. Khal Drogo boinking a 13 year old Daenerys in the books I would say is way higher on the grossly offensive scale. I think before getting offended about pedophilia in the show, maybe offendees should bother to check their literature first. True that.
Honestly she did the right thing and it's gross that D&D wrote it as a sexualised scene knowing the actor who played Tommen was so young. But they're also the guys who immediately wrote Sansa being raped once Sophie was 18 so no surprise
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 Ah name calling with no statement to refute my claims. How intelligent of you. Sorry buddy, the talmud was written by jewish people. And i am asking people to read a book written by their people, for their people, to learn what their people believe in, which would be the same as asking someone to read the quran to learn what muslims believe in or The Bible for what Christians believe in.
@@johnpaullaizure7330the prophet muhamid had a 6 year old wife and he was like middle age. He said to kill non believers and said woman are dumb, and that camel urine is medicine. So if anything, why don't you call out Muslims?
umm... have you read the actual books... or really.. nearly any dramatic books? a 16 year old with a 30 something is tame compared to what happened in the books.
This is why she's awesome. Standing up against the bosses to do the right thing and looking after her costars instead of accepting the "boys will love it" excuses.
@@hectorsanchez1377 No, he actually stated he was also uncomfortable with the scene. He was also a teen and ngl, the filming of the scene would've put the entire cast into dubious legal grounds regarding Child p*rnography.
I don’t think it’s so weird if the only purpose is for the show and if they only do it if they think it will be good for the story but you can always guess how much of all the nudity in the show really was necessary…
@@emusaurus I think a lot of people find things weirder when it's in the show because real life actors have to do the scenes. Even if something in a box is more extreme, it can be unsettling seeing it with real people.
The show came out in 2011. HBO always found ways to put sex into their programming back then. Just look at all the other popular big budget shows from that era, they were all following the same formula. Spartacus in particular was hugely popular filled with gratuitous graphic sex. I don't know if it was to be edgy or if producers felt that they had to do it to draw eyes to their adult programming, but I'm glad its toned down a lot since then.
She’s a good actress and was already in the show for a while, so she was in the position to say no. Most people don’t have this option. If you say no, they find someone else to replace you. This is why most first scenes are the most awkward scenes for actors and actresses. They don’t want to be stuck with someone who refuses to do the work.
@@dogzentraining I'm betting it's probably not that easy for actors just starting out who haven't made a name for themselves yet. Someone like Natalie Dormer can do this and have it not affect her career because she's well known, but a small time actor would probably have a harder time. Because if they say no, then word might be spread around that they're difficult to work with
I feel like the scene they ended up with made more sense within the story in terms of Tommen’s character anyway. The way he’s depicted, it doesn’t seem like overtly sexual seduction was the best way for Margaery to get him to fall for her. His whole character is innocence and kindness, and it makes much more sense that Margaery would have appealed to those traits than trying to use sex. To me, that shows that Dumb and Dumber just wanted to include extra sex for the shock value, even if it didn’t make much sense within the story (not to mention the weird and creepy comments they apparently made to the actor for Tommen about having written that scene to do him some kind of favor). Foreshadowing to the type of writing they did later I suppose, though in later seasons it seemed to be more about subversion of expectations and jumping nonsensically from set piece to set piece than sexual stuff. Still, it’s an example of them throwing away things that makes sense for the characters and story to do something unexpected just for the sake of doing something unexpected. I should note, though, I haven’t read the books and I don’t know how that scene plays in the books. However, based on the characterization of Tommen in the show I think the alterations made the scene feel more natural to the characters. Good on Natalie Dormer for standing up for herself and for the underaged Tommen actor, and I think it’s cool that she made that alteration that worked better for the story than the original anyway.
In the books tommen is 8 years old so there was zero sexual tension. Tommen adored Margery and thought Loras was the coolest guy ever but just like a normal 8 year old would . Oh and he loves his cats
this exactly, tommen's character is so underrated but also the fact that margaery was never just using sex to manipulate him or joffrey like cersei thought (probably projecting on cersei's part considering her own relationships throughout the show). it's much more believable and realistic that she formed connection with both princes instead of just having them follow her blindly because she slept with them, and especially that she genuinely liked tommen after resigning herself to joffrey. tommen was the only good person left in the red keep at this point and it was so much better for the story that he got to have character moments with a more mature and brave good person rather than just taking every chance for sex appeal even when it's this inappropriate
The scene was actually fantastic. It was the one I talked about with people I knew after the show. We joked about how "Margery put Tommen through puberty in 5 minutes." It was a great, funny scene that moved the characters and the plot forward. Having them jump straight to something overtly sexual would have been really awkward and would not have fit the moment.
In the books, Joffrey is still king and will meet Robb for peace negotiations - Freeing Ned for him bending the knee. Looking forward to Winds of Winter, how it will differ from the show.
Not that was right or anything but does that mean your ancestors and everyone else's were gross. As way back it was extremely common for older men to marry children and teens
Good for her she is in her 30s and he was under age. I think that was really cool of her as an individual but also responsible as the adult in the situation.
He was 16 I believe so he wasn’t underage either in Northern Ireland or in Croatia if they filmed it in either of those places; the actors are both from England where that is within AoC anyway. It would have been really uncomfortable and creepy, I agree, but he wasn’t “underage”.
@@shestewa6581 that’s interesting. I’ve never looked it upon just assumed England also had a max age for Aoc. Where I am from Aoc doesn’t apply if one person is over the age of 21 and the other is say 16 years old
@@stackhat8624you bump and grind with a very attractive lady and try not to feel some sort of way. Ain’t no 16 year old boy that’s gonna not think about that forever
The fact that they actually went to Tommen's actor and went "Hey bro we did you a solid and wrote you a sex scene with Natalie", even if it was a joke says a lot.
It's crazy that writers can just throw in something that amounts to CP and it's up to the actress to say no he's just a kid. When interviewed the kid said the writers came up to him like " hey man we wrote you a sex scene!" like they were trying to do him a favor. He said it was weird but thought it was just something he had to do because all the other characters did them too. He also also said the margary actress told him he didn't have to but when he agreed made him feel safe and protected. Thank god for intimacy coordinators now might help cut down the child exploitation. smdh
@@augustusfreeman4032 There is only so much you can fake as far as kissing and groping a naked partner. Especially when one person is 16 and the other is 33...
I’m fully convinced the only way to properly turn GOT into a good TV show is by animating it. It’s the only way to convey to the audience the gravity of how so many situations should have been.
@@augustusfreeman4032 refusing to do a sexual scene with someone underage is definitely having morals. Even if it’s a role, doing anything sexual with someone underage is weird.
Uh, nobody in even remotely good conscience could've ever watched that show ever again upon finding out what it contains! At *least* the actress playing the perverted lady had the felony hidden behind closed doors; so she was Way more professional in how it'd be shown.
@@THEDARKKNIGHTXTDK Yeah, course she'd LIKELY be able to fend him off; yet that'd be super-creepy and vile at that. Course, her character is very similar to Joseph's mistress in "Genesis", and that pervert just about blew her marriage to nonexistenace by hitting on her "servant boy" and trying to "bed" him!
Honestly, she almost felt motherly in that scene. Which makes it even more manipulative and in line with her character. The change was a smart one. In hindsight, it was one of the last few smart ones they would make before the shows awful following seasons.
@@augustusfreeman4032 You don't think people would have cared? Guess again. People have been frustrated by the double standards for ages, and they sure as hell aren't shying away from that in this comment section alone. Anyway... The actress (somebody who's a Hollywood veteran at that) cared, and put her foot down. That was enough. It prevented the scenes that we got from being even worse. And knowing what D&D, and even George himself, were capable of in terms of sketchy scenes... I'll take that.
@@KindredKeepsake I saw a meme that was spreading fake news about a kid having sex with his bullies' moms go viral recently and in the previous Tommen video there were so many people saying that his was lucky. There's a reason double standards exist, they're the norm.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Just because that they are the "norm" does not make it right. Norms change for a reason. Thankfully, people are starting to realize that this double standard for young boys is just as messed up as it is for young girls. But, I'm glad that the story was a fake. I can't see anybody benefitting from that in the longrun.
Whats wierd about alot of the intimate acts in GOT is how much they changed and embellished them from the books. Dany innitiated it with Drogo (its still rape by modern logic but still better then the violent act we got in the show) and the Sansa scene with Ramsey never happened.. if they really wanted this scene as it was they should have chosen a slightly older actor so he would be 18 by the time it happened or not include it at all. The Arya scene with Gendry almost made me throw up in my mouth, watching Masie grow up and suddenly seeing her naked was gross, expecially because it was so rushed and pointless almost like a wierd form of fan service to even wierder people..
From the story standpoint, people do things when they feel/know they're going to die. The Maisie scene wasn't far-fetched at all. In older times, what they talk of in this clip no one would bat an eye at either. It's a fantasy show, though, so they made the right choice, even though so many other choices made were not so great.
@@georgeide2337The entire final season was rushed. There should've been a moment between Arya and Gendry, it was building up over multiple seasons. However, you're right that we pretty much did see her grow up. It should've been done off screen/the screen going to black. No need for it to be explicit.
The acts in the book were more detailed and more extreme. I don't know how you are saying it's more embellished in the show. Like you talk about the Sansa scene, yes it didn't happen instead far worse happens and was implied in the books. The fake Sansa in the book references the dogs in the books.....that vs a vague r*pe scene in the show where nothing is really shown. I'd say the book was way worse or "embellished".
It was already awkward depicting what was a normal thing in medieval times, in a modern show, so having the sexual act being implied in this scene was the perfect blend, good for her for standing up to them and keeping it classy!
The amount of naked and half naked underage girls in films up until rhe 2000s is utterly baffling to me. Hollywood is a cesspit and the feel justified lecturing us on morality... Props to Natalie for having moral compass and conviction to stand up to them.
There were so many sex scenes that didnt need to happen D&D could have done the classy thing and just insinuated what it happened and did the same with gendry and arya
@@aaliyah6464That is yuck. I didn’t have a problem when it happened as she was in her 20s. In some ways it was logical and natural. I would have liked her to marry Gendry and to take him with her.
That's the difference between film and books. Real people have to do the things and you need to consider them. It makes sense in the books and is definitely something Margery would do, but I also understand not wanting to do that.
@@hresvelgr7193 I haven't read in a while, so I'll have to check again. I think she either proposes it or they discuss it, but I might be misremembering. However, I'm pretty sure it's one of the reasons why Cersei insists they sleep in separate rooms. I don't remember if it actually happens, but it's pretty much established in the books that she would have done it, as a way to get him on her side a lot more. With how open she is with sex, it'd be a transactional thing to keep him wrapped around her finger.
Well I don’t blame her. She’s an adult and he was a minor during the filming of the show. Just because the culture of the characters would view it as normal and rational, doesn’t mean the actors would. Plus in the book they are much closer in age than the actual actors. The show made Marjorie an adult but in the books she’s 16, while Tommen is 14. Not 20ish and 12 like the show.
The difference in times and actresses... Nicole Kidman did a faaaar worse scene with a 10 year old... Actually kissing in the lips and being naked in a bath tub... Props to Natalie for not going down that route.
The fact they wanted her to do that is disgusting! She shouldn’t have had to call them . wtf and as much as I loved the series the writer definitely has perversions smh
Good on her for being the only responsible adult in that situation. Also narratively it made a million times more sense for her to try to connect with Tommen on a purely emotional level
The scene we got was necessary. Margery had to get some influence over Tommen before Cersei could shut it down. Also nothing happened, they just had a conversation.
The age difference in the books was similar but even more underage. There, Margaery was 16 and Tommen was 8. Although, to GRRM's credit, there was nothing sexual whatsoever between them there.
God this reminds me of Arya's sex scene. That was the most uncomfortable I've ever felt in my life. I hated Arya. Her character was awful in the later seasons.
Me too, there is a response to another comment to answer that. Tommen was 8 and there were no sexual tension. He loved her but not like that. He also love cats. (Did you know you can't copy paste comments on RUclips phone ? What a shame)
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She was 33 and tommen actor was 16. She was being the responsible adult.
Because the dark web users or the uneducated keep saying this is the comments and I don't like repeating myself 70 times, I better put it here.
Yes, the legal age of consent in Britain is 16. Most of these scenes took place in Morocco and the legal age of consent there is 18. But say they shot this in Britain for argument's sake, and that it's 16.
The act of sex done privately between two consenting people is 16+, the act of filming very intimate scenes that don't even have to include the act of sex with a person under the age of 18 can be classed as.... any guesses......child porn
So yeah, she was being a responsible adult. She didn't want to take part in that and she's being damn smart.
@@GStampedeIII they’re is a difference between a teenager acting out a death scene and an intimate scene.
@@GStampedeIII But there are movie tricks involved in those two scenes.
@GSthe3rd
The girl wasn't actually burning.. The scene between Natalie and the actor Tommen would have been real.
@@GStampedeIII the actress as a 33yo woman didn't want to enact a sex scene with a boy that had just reached the legal age. A child. They wanted her to strip to the waist fully and show her ass to a literal teenage boy and she refused to for his overall wellbeing and because she's not a nonce.
Pretending to burn a fully clothed girl who definitely would have heard of the burning of witches in Scotland and America won't be as traumatic for the actor.
Pretending to hang a 14yo who again, is English so he'd have learnt about the medieval death penalty in his schooling and again, fully clothed isn't the same.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂@@GStampedeIII
Prope for Natalie Dormer and Jason Momoa actually being respectful and responsible scene partners.
Decency should be normalized, not praised.
@@augustusfreeman4032 100% agree but in this day and age of people in this industry being absolute creeps like Dan Schneider and Harvey Weinstein, it’s good seeing actual people stand up for this bullshit
@@augustusfreeman4032I agree but the fact that even in real life there are still plenty of 30 years old (mostly men) going out with 16 or 18 yrs old just means that it’s gonna take a long wayy until decency is normalize
@@augustusfreeman4032In order for it to become normalized in the long run it should be praised in the beginning.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Absolutely agreed. But praising it as loudly as you can when you see it will go a long way towards making people notice these things. I wonder how many people would have even thought twice about this scene, had it not been brought up and explained to them.
She was disgusted with the idea of touching a child, which is perfectly reasonable. The fact they even asked her to do it is insane
D&D have no shame and no creative mind
@@ieradossantos Nah fr. George RR Martin is a genius and his work wasn’t finished, Dumb and Dumber showed their true colours as soon as they weren’t able to copy and paste from him.
@@alexlehrersh9951disgusting source material shouldn’t have ever been published let alone reproduced on film
@ladyalicent705 In the UK, you are considered an adult at 16 and are no longer underage. Would have been creepy though but definitely a fantasy for a lot of 16 year old boys.
@@johnberwyn23 Yeah sorry that’s BS. Age of majority in the UK is 18, like most other countries in the world. 16 year old persons are sometimes able to consent to sexual activity under certain circumstances, but only with people not too much older than them. It is not even remotely legal for a 35 year old man (or, in this case, a 35 year old woman) to screw a 16 year old. That’s only legal for mainly other 16 year olds and maybe people one or two years older.
To counter your second point, and this may shock you, but a lot of 16 year old girls have fantasies too, sometimes involving older men. Does that make it any less disgusting or illegal for him to take advantage of that? Of course not. So the same applies to young boys
It was perfectly fine to imply a sexual tension without actually putting it in the scene. Good choice.
Exactly. And I feel like Natalie played Margery perfectly in the scene. Also a super sexual scene between them would make everyone a little grossed out by Margery so I like that she also saved her character some dignity.
Yes like that's why cut scenes and fade outs were created!
Agreed. The subtlety and the tone did all the heavy lifting. Great scene
Considering they left in the incest,murder and rape. And it's acting and not real. It's really just stupid hollywood virtue signaling to not do it. All those actors knew what was expected and what the job was before they took the money. I don't like to clean the bathroom at work but I will because it's part of the job.
Yeah, that's what made this show famous. "Implications".
Dumb and Dumber also told Tommen's actor they were doing him a favor by creating this scene, so we can add "creep" to the list of adjectives for them
The eff? Is that what they truly said?! This is so wrong!!
@@happilyevernever4289 Allegedly, at least. But not a good look, that's for sure
They're stupid and now they're freaks, god I feel sorry for the actors lmao
Fucking YIKES. Then again, they did change Drogo's and Dany's first scene into something much more violent than in the book. For literally no reason.
@@briarwolf0501 They truly think adding more blood, sex and violence to everything is the key to success
Dormer: "Uhm.. we'd literally be making chilporn?"
D&D: "We kind of forgot about that."
While D&D sort of forgot about the FBI, the FBI certainly hasn't forgotten about them
@@whosaidiwantedahandlei see what you did there 💀
She was so lost in thought she forgot his age and that kings landing has the biggest navy in westeros
cook up
Right "forgot" as if documentaries like quiet on the set don't exist.
Good for her! She’s a classy lady.
Her face looks like a sunflower, every time you see it, you smile 😅
You are joking, right?!!
Classy Ladies do not commit adultery or fornication. The most classy thing you can call her is "A Geisha".
I agree, and her *character* is a piece of work villainess who'd engage in child-rape, at least she refused to go along with *That* kind of Hellscape felony... yet those who'd in any way support that really do belong in *prison* as long as it can be *feasibly proven*, and for *life* at that. Any director who suggests that any stage-worker rape a kid on set really does belong in *prison for life* if it is proven that that was pushed- that kind of thing's a *FELONY*!
Yet there're ways around it, such as hinting at that kind of perverted mindset in her character's head; such as her character acting like lover to the kid- that's PERVERTED, but at least protects the state-workers!
Whoever thinks that sex-scenes on screen are even REMOTELY okay is unworthy of anything Besides prison and incineration for that kind of putting children in moral danger!
We, the people, love our Queen Margery!
well to be fair she was just being an average adult.
She didn’t need a sex scene to depict the intention of that scene. In fact, the acting was so good in that scene, it would’ve been worse had they depicted actual sex
All they had do was end the scene with a shot of the door being closed or like any shot that isn't her actively leaving and everyone will get the implied sex
Another reason why baby face adult actors are highly sought after. They can play a 16 year old while being 22.
No, it was absolutely lame. She ruined it tbh
I feel this way about most of the show. We can understand intention without the actual scene.
Well, I'm sure the tommen actor really wouldn't mind that at all... A small sacrifice in the name of art.
Funnily enough, the scene being toned down was better suited to both their respective characters.
I absolutely loved that scene , the fact he was still a child she recognized the fact that sexual connection wouldn’t work either , if she wanted to replace Cersis influence she had to bond with him emotionally so building a friendship meant way more as well to bringing him to her side which worked by the wedding he adored her as a woman but also respected and trusted her as well and it worked like a charm .
100% agree with this take
What a perfect take
Actually they had sex. In the book as well...and in the scene Tommen asks Margery if it was good for her as it was for him... She lied to him obviously, because he was a child. But they still had sex...GoT isn't known for being wholesome.
@@ChoompaLoompa1985-uw8lwno they did not in the book, Tommen is literally 2 years old in the book and she gifts him a kitten, there is nothing sexual in the book
@@catspajamboree True, I stand corrected. Thanks. But the books are still very obscene. It's annoying when people defend the books over the show as if defending art over the defacing of said art. It's not a show for kids...and neither are the books. The scene with Tommen and Margery is like the least obscene of them all. Khal Drogo boinking a 13 year old Daenerys in the books I would say is way higher on the grossly offensive scale. I think before getting offended about pedophilia in the show, maybe offendees should bother to check their literature first. True that.
Honestly she did the right thing and it's gross that D&D wrote it as a sexualised scene knowing the actor who played Tommen was so young. But they're also the guys who immediately wrote Sansa being raped once Sophie was 18 so no surprise
Wow how dare you be so antsemetic. IT clearly states in the talmud all of that is fine.
@@johnpaullaizure7330 dude stop schizzo posting
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 Ah name calling with no statement to refute my claims. How intelligent of you. Sorry buddy, the talmud was written by jewish people. And i am asking people to read a book written by their people, for their people, to learn what their people believe in, which would be the same as asking someone to read the quran to learn what muslims believe in or The Bible for what Christians believe in.
@@johnpaullaizure7330the prophet muhamid had a 6 year old wife and he was like middle age. He said to kill non believers and said woman are dumb, and that camel urine is medicine. So if anything, why don't you call out Muslims?
@@johnpaullaizure7330 are you a crazy person?
It shouldn’t have even got to the point where she had to make the decision. Who was responsible for that kid’s wellbeing & safety!?
Well-being and safety? Gtfo
Whoever it was should have been fired for not allowing a 16-year old to get intimate with Natalie Dormer. Poor kid.
@@Angel-fz8dryou telling them to gtfoh for saying facts? He was a minor at the end of the day you sicko
@@JohnRNewAccountNumber3ur sick
They don’t actually have sex in sex scenes. Well, almost never. Brown Bunny.
Hollywood would never do anything weird or creepy with under... Aged... Kids. Hey wait a minute
There must be Hollywoodian movies out there that speaks about it. Good for my mental health I don't know any
"Hollywood has the best moral compass"
-real quote from Harvey Weinstein
Don’t forget Dan shenider and all the iconic teen shows from the late 90s to early 2000s
umm... have you read the actual books... or really.. nearly any dramatic books? a 16 year old with a 30 something is tame compared to what happened in the books.
@@Agarwaen so we should reenact everything to detail then? Are you for sexual scenes with minors?
This is why she's awesome. Standing up against the bosses to do the right thing and looking after her costars instead of accepting the "boys will love it" excuses.
Tommen actor must have been fuming.
@@hectorsanchez1377 No, he actually stated he was also uncomfortable with the scene. He was also a teen and ngl, the filming of the scene would've put the entire cast into dubious legal grounds regarding Child p*rnography.
Good for her! He was a teenager and she knew better. Shame on the writers for putting it in in the first place.
She played it perfectly. So glad she stood up for appropriate boundaries.
Dormer always was and always will be a class act. She was a responsible adult and scene partner. Shame D&D are such creeps.
Not as much creeps, but immature adults projecting own fantasies on others.
@@piotrd.4850What? You just described creeps
@@piotrd.4850Do you have an excuse for pedos as well?
D&D didn't write that episode. Get off it already. You people blame them for everything without even knowing lol
It's acting....you know they're not really shooting each other in war movies, right? Woke people ruin cinema.
Good for her, dont let someone push you into doing something you know is not right, much Respect.
The age difference, it was wierd of the writers to do it. Good on her.
She still snogged a 16 year old. 😑😑
I know but tbh the books are the same .. everyone is basically a kid
I don’t think it’s so weird if the only purpose is for the show and if they only do it if they think it will be good for the story but you can always guess how much of all the nudity in the show really was necessary…
@@ottoww289 We need to protect child actors
33 and 16 is wayyyy tooo creepy...I understand at least 18
Love Natalie Dormer! Beautiful, classy, and doing the right thing here!
🤡👁👄👁 🤣😂🙈
@@babayaga3520oh Christ, not the emojis!
Mad Respect for a celebrity who still have a working Moral Compass 👍🏽👍🏽
Dude the writers are so weird when it comes to sexual content on this show
If you think that's bad, try reading the books
@@emusaurusbruh GOT would have aired on a different platform then ☠️☠️
Are you not familiar with game of thrones?
@@emusaurus I think a lot of people find things weirder when it's in the show because real life actors have to do the scenes. Even if something in a box is more extreme, it can be unsettling seeing it with real people.
The show came out in 2011. HBO always found ways to put sex into their programming back then. Just look at all the other popular big budget shows from that era, they were all following the same formula. Spartacus in particular was hugely popular filled with gratuitous graphic sex. I don't know if it was to be edgy or if producers felt that they had to do it to draw eyes to their adult programming, but I'm glad its toned down a lot since then.
So she’s someone with morals. Good for her and good on her for being responsible and not being a degenerate.
I thought the "anyway subscribe for more" was part of her quotes
Lmao
Mnbp😂
She’s a good actress and was already in the show for a while, so she was in the position to say no. Most people don’t have this option. If you say no, they find someone else to replace you. This is why most first scenes are the most awkward scenes for actors and actresses. They don’t want to be stuck with someone who refuses to do the work.
Everyone has a choice. Maybe you lose the role but maintain your integrity. Unfortunately many choose to sell out. It’s still a choice!
simplistic
@@dogzentraining I'm betting it's probably not that easy for actors just starting out who haven't made a name for themselves yet.
Someone like Natalie Dormer can do this and have it not affect her career because she's well known, but a small time actor would probably have a harder time. Because if they say no, then word might be spread around that they're difficult to work with
I bet everyone would have be outraged if this was a gay scene and the actors refused
I’d genuinely rather get fired. It would seriously suck but better than the alternative
I feel like the scene they ended up with made more sense within the story in terms of Tommen’s character anyway. The way he’s depicted, it doesn’t seem like overtly sexual seduction was the best way for Margaery to get him to fall for her. His whole character is innocence and kindness, and it makes much more sense that Margaery would have appealed to those traits than trying to use sex.
To me, that shows that Dumb and Dumber just wanted to include extra sex for the shock value, even if it didn’t make much sense within the story (not to mention the weird and creepy comments they apparently made to the actor for Tommen about having written that scene to do him some kind of favor). Foreshadowing to the type of writing they did later I suppose, though in later seasons it seemed to be more about subversion of expectations and jumping nonsensically from set piece to set piece than sexual stuff. Still, it’s an example of them throwing away things that makes sense for the characters and story to do something unexpected just for the sake of doing something unexpected.
I should note, though, I haven’t read the books and I don’t know how that scene plays in the books. However, based on the characterization of Tommen in the show I think the alterations made the scene feel more natural to the characters.
Good on Natalie Dormer for standing up for herself and for the underaged Tommen actor, and I think it’s cool that she made that alteration that worked better for the story than the original anyway.
In the books tommen is 8 years old so there was zero sexual tension. Tommen adored Margery and thought Loras was the coolest guy ever but just like a normal 8 year old would .
Oh and he loves his cats
this exactly, tommen's character is so underrated but also the fact that margaery was never just using sex to manipulate him or joffrey like cersei thought (probably projecting on cersei's part considering her own relationships throughout the show). it's much more believable and realistic that she formed connection with both princes instead of just having them follow her blindly because she slept with them, and especially that she genuinely liked tommen after resigning herself to joffrey. tommen was the only good person left in the red keep at this point and it was so much better for the story that he got to have character moments with a more mature and brave good person rather than just taking every chance for sex appeal even when it's this inappropriate
The scene was actually fantastic. It was the one I talked about with people I knew after the show. We joked about how "Margery put Tommen through puberty in 5 minutes."
It was a great, funny scene that moved the characters and the plot forward. Having them jump straight to something overtly sexual would have been really awkward and would not have fit the moment.
In the books, Joffrey is still king and will meet Robb for peace negotiations - Freeing Ned for him bending the knee.
Looking forward to Winds of Winter, how it will differ from the show.
@@sebastianwittmeier1274 bro.... you read a fanfic....
I can't believe that ever got on the page. Good for her being smart and moral
See we need more actors/actresses like her ones with some common sence, knowing what's right and what's not and well just being a decent person
I think common sense would be not doing any sexual scenes at all. Her snogging a teenager as a grown woman is still gross.
Not that was right or anything but does that mean your ancestors and everyone else's were gross. As way back it was extremely common for older men to marry children and teens
@@TootyBooty-f6pyeah our ancestors were all gross, that isn’t exactly a shocking statement
I mean yeah but the point of movies is sometimes to show things that are NOT right.
Someone playing a Natzi isn't a bad person for doing so.
@@underarmbowlingincidentof1981 What?
Good for her she is in her 30s and he was under age. I think that was really cool of her as an individual but also responsible as the adult in the situation.
Now she's 42, but still 💪
He was 16 I believe so he wasn’t underage either in Northern Ireland or in Croatia if they filmed it in either of those places; the actors are both from England where that is within AoC anyway.
It would have been really uncomfortable and creepy, I agree, but he wasn’t “underage”.
@@shestewa6581 that’s interesting. I’ve never looked it upon just assumed England also had a max age for Aoc. Where I am from Aoc doesn’t apply if one person is over the age of 21 and the other is say 16 years old
ok, you do realise the actors dont have to have sex, right?
@@stackhat8624you bump and grind with a very attractive lady and try not to feel some sort of way. Ain’t no 16 year old boy that’s gonna not think about that forever
She had better sense than his parents that apparently weren't objecting.
The scene actually works a lot better as a tease and not a sexual scene. Good for natalie, she did the right thing in every possible way
How do you know this?
The fact that she had to do that in the first place - call them, I mean - says a lot about D&D. Absolute frat boy brains on those two.
The fact that they actually went to Tommen's actor and went "Hey bro we did you a solid and wrote you a sex scene with Natalie", even if it was a joke says a lot.
Best description of them that I've seen tbh - that's really their energy and philosophy ☠️
@@nuraby_9228that actor would be hating that right now lol
Did it happen in the books?
You realize they were following the storyline that George R.R. Martin wrote for the books, right?
To be honest, the depicted scene is a lot better than a s*x scene because it makes Tommen tempted and crave more for Margery.
It's crazy that writers can just throw in something that amounts to CP and it's up to the actress to say no he's just a kid. When interviewed the kid said the writers came up to him like " hey man we wrote you a sex scene!" like they were trying to do him a favor. He said it was weird but thought it was just something he had to do because all the other characters did them too. He also also said the margary actress told him he didn't have to but when he agreed made him feel safe and protected. Thank god for intimacy coordinators now might help cut down the child exploitation. smdh
She said that they wanted to make the scene more sexual, not that it was a full blown sex scene. And sex scenes are all fake by the way.
@@augustusfreeman4032 There is only so much you can fake as far as kissing and groping a naked partner. Especially when one person is 16 and the other is 33...
@@augustusfreeman4032 ... "sex scenes are all fake by the way." No shit.
@@jameson32 Tell that to this comment section.
That’s an adult move, big respects
I’m fully convinced the only way to properly turn GOT into a good TV show is by animating it. It’s the only way to convey to the audience the gravity of how so many situations should have been.
Thank you Miss Dormer for being a responsible adult. Classy lady.
They can always imply it happened, don't have to literally show everything. Like Sansa's scene could have been implied, not shown.
That was awful.
It could had been implied yes. As many things. Still it would not had the same emotional impact then.
I agree that not all needs to be shown though
it was implied. You didn't see anything in the sansa scene.... what are you talking about? She was fully clothed lol
@@frankleyJ no need for audio bro. That was hardly a implying
@@KeeperCharlie They literally just showed Theon reacting to something off screen. That is 100% implying.
I can't blame her. Even though it was a show, that's borderline statutory rape if you ask me.
Wish more people respected themselves and others like this. 99% of nudity and sexual scenes in Hollywood are unnecessary and degrading.
She did the right thing. Glad to see some people in Hollywood have some morals, even if it is very few.
most ofthe time its the woman who have morals in holywood.
Morals? Dude it's just acting.
@@augustusfreeman4032 refusing to do a sexual scene with someone underage is definitely having morals. Even if it’s a role, doing anything sexual with someone underage is weird.
@@augustusfreeman4032 they asked her to sleep with a little boy. thats not just asking.
Natalie Dormer's eyes are seductive enough for anyone.
I don't blame her that would have been weird.
Uh, nobody in even remotely good conscience could've ever watched that show ever again upon finding out what it contains!
At *least* the actress playing the perverted lady had the felony hidden behind closed doors; so she was Way more professional in how it'd be shown.
Imagine the roles reversed that would’ve been more creepy.
@@THEDARKKNIGHTXTDK Yeah, course she'd LIKELY be able to fend him off; yet that'd be super-creepy and vile at that.
Course, her character is very similar to Joseph's mistress in "Genesis", and that pervert just about blew her marriage to nonexistenace by hitting on her "servant boy" and trying to "bed" him!
@@chissstardestroyer Yep, abuse is abuse. Can’t believe Hollywood get away from it.
Honestly, she almost felt motherly in that scene. Which makes it even more manipulative and in line with her character. The change was a smart one.
In hindsight, it was one of the last few smart ones they would make before the shows awful following seasons.
Oh wow one that actually stood up instead of just agreeing to getting paid just to complain later
So, having normal, adult response these days is considered as unusual?!!
She did the right thing.
Disgustingly enough in Hollywood it is.
She really dodged a bullet with this one. This would NOT have looked good for her career. And then there's the morality of it, too...
Nobody would have cared either way, sadly, and she said that they wanted the scene to be more sexual not an actual sex scene.
@@augustusfreeman4032 You don't think people would have cared? Guess again. People have been frustrated by the double standards for ages, and they sure as hell aren't shying away from that in this comment section alone. Anyway... The actress (somebody who's a Hollywood veteran at that) cared, and put her foot down. That was enough. It prevented the scenes that we got from being even worse. And knowing what D&D, and even George himself, were capable of in terms of sketchy scenes... I'll take that.
@@KindredKeepsake I saw a meme that was spreading fake news about a kid having sex with his bullies' moms go viral recently and in the previous Tommen video there were so many people saying that his was lucky. There's a reason double standards exist, they're the norm.
@@augustusfreeman4032 Just because that they are the "norm" does not make it right. Norms change for a reason. Thankfully, people are starting to realize that this double standard for young boys is just as messed up as it is for young girls.
But, I'm glad that the story was a fake. I can't see anybody benefitting from that in the longrun.
@@KindredKeepsake Of course it isn't right, but this is a discussion of how most people view it as compared to vice versa.
The actor who plays Tommen must have been really disappointed by her decision.
My thoughts hahaha... I remeber when I was 16! It aint like I would have felt bad for doing it.😅😅😅
Whats wierd about alot of the intimate acts in GOT is how much they changed and embellished them from the books. Dany innitiated it with Drogo (its still rape by modern logic but still better then the violent act we got in the show) and the Sansa scene with Ramsey never happened.. if they really wanted this scene as it was they should have chosen a slightly older actor so he would be 18 by the time it happened or not include it at all. The Arya scene with Gendry almost made me throw up in my mouth, watching Masie grow up and suddenly seeing her naked was gross, expecially because it was so rushed and pointless almost like a wierd form of fan service to even wierder people..
From the story standpoint, people do things when they feel/know they're going to die. The Maisie scene wasn't far-fetched at all. In older times, what they talk of in this clip no one would bat an eye at either. It's a fantasy show, though, so they made the right choice, even though so many other choices made were not so great.
@@redhunter68 I think i might have spotted who the wierd fanservice was for..
@@georgeide2337 by saying that them not going through with it was the right choice? I'd say you're right.
@@georgeide2337The entire final season was rushed. There should've been a moment between Arya and Gendry, it was building up over multiple seasons.
However, you're right that we pretty much did see her grow up. It should've been done off screen/the screen going to black. No need for it to be explicit.
The acts in the book were more detailed and more extreme. I don't know how you are saying it's more embellished in the show. Like you talk about the Sansa scene, yes it didn't happen instead far worse happens and was implied in the books. The fake Sansa in the book references the dogs in the books.....that vs a vague r*pe scene in the show where nothing is really shown. I'd say the book was way worse or "embellished".
How pathetic that we have to be proud of someone for doing the logical & Correct thing!
Poor Chapman. He only took the role as Tommen because he read the books beforehand and knew this scene was involved.
I think the real creeps are the writers of the show 🤢 they added really weird things which weren’t even in the books.
This was in the books....
No this was in it.
Yeah if I were her I wouldn't have done it either. Way way too weird
She still agreed to do a bit of it tho. So this doesn't absolve her of sexualizing a minor.
It was already awkward depicting what was a normal thing in medieval times, in a modern show, so having the sexual act being implied in this scene was the perfect blend, good for her for standing up to them and keeping it classy!
Know your boundaries and stick to them!
The amount of naked and half naked underage girls in films up until rhe 2000s is utterly baffling to me. Hollywood is a cesspit and the feel justified lecturing us on morality... Props to Natalie for having moral compass and conviction to stand up to them.
Any examples?
@@OJ9992 For... Research purposes? Do you realise how this looks?
@@An0niem4 I’m interested to see how depraved things got
@@OJ9992 Brooke Shields was naked in a movie when she was 12, Thora Birch was 16 in American Beauty... there's countless examples
@@johndcoffee632 okay that Brooke Sheilds one is really fucked up and I’m sorry I asked.
Why tf did she even have to say that, it should have been obvious.
When the actors have to tell the writers how to do their job…
Props to Natalie for that! His actor was 16 at the time.
It's acting....you know they're not really shooting each other in war movies, right? Woke people ruin cinema.
Good for her! He was a minor and she knew better. Shame on the writers for putting it in in the first place.
There were so many sex scenes that didnt need to happen
D&D could have done the classy thing and just insinuated what it happened and did the same with gendry and arya
ngl Gendry's actor must have felt weird since he know her since she was like 12
@lol-oe1md there's an interview where he talks about people ask him if gendry will sleep with arya
He was 25 and was 13
@@aaliyah6464That is yuck. I didn’t have a problem when it happened as she was in her 20s. In some ways it was logical and natural. I would have liked her to marry Gendry and to take him with her.
Na the sex scenes were a good part of the show. House of the Dragon should have some like GoT as well.
Bryan Cogman wrote 8x2, 4x4 and 5x6 so... fail. If you're gonna talk shit, know you're shit.
Tommen's actor watching this like 😢
I was thinking the same, lol
haha exactly. I remember watching GoT when I was 15, wishing I was in Tommend's position.
Gross. Men should care more about age gap.
@@StickManVSEw
@@agrippa2993 Why?
Good. That show needed to be reigned in with its treatment of the female actors.
It was weird enough giving them that post wedding scene honestly. That was a bit much by itself.
Well, at least you know you can trust her around children
It's acting....you know they're not really shooting each other in war movies, right? Woke people ruin cinema.
The scene was better. It reinforced Tommen's innocence and Margaery's manipulative veneer.
Not going to lie. She still played it very well that it was still seductive in her own way.
heres a challenge: write a great story ... that can't be appropriated by other mediums.
The Actress She Had Every Right To Choose Not to Do It Unless They Did What She Asked
'Tiny boy, little boy, baby boy i need you.....'
If you want to get the boys “soul” (hole) you have to pay the troll toll!
@@ShockerTopper ?
@@tommenbaratheon3612The Nightman Cometh, bro
That's the difference between film and books.
Real people have to do the things and you need to consider them.
It makes sense in the books and is definitely something Margery would do, but I also understand not wanting to do that.
I mean it wouldn’t make sense in the books either because in the books Margaery is 16 (I think) and Tommen is 8. No such scene exists in the books
@@hresvelgr7193 I haven't read in a while, so I'll have to check again.
I think she either proposes it or they discuss it, but I might be misremembering.
However, I'm pretty sure it's one of the reasons why Cersei insists they sleep in separate rooms.
I don't remember if it actually happens, but it's pretty much established in the books that she would have done it, as a way to get him on her side a lot more.
With how open she is with sex, it'd be a transactional thing to keep him wrapped around her finger.
@@davidcopperfield5345 Pretty sure it doesn't happen and Cersei is just being paranoid
Well I don’t blame her.
She’s an adult and he was a minor during the filming of the show.
Just because the culture of the characters would view it as normal and rational, doesn’t mean the actors would.
Plus in the book they are much closer in age than the actual actors.
The show made Marjorie an adult but in the books she’s 16, while Tommen is 14.
Not 20ish and 12 like the show.
Proof that Natalie apart from talent also possesses ethics and brains!
That’s actually amazing of her.
The difference in times and actresses... Nicole Kidman did a faaaar worse scene with a 10 year old... Actually kissing in the lips and being naked in a bath tub... Props to Natalie for not going down that route.
The fact they wanted her to do that is disgusting! She shouldn’t have had to call them . wtf and as much as I loved the series the writer definitely has perversions smh
Probably because.... she didn't want Kendrick Lamar to haunt her afterwards.
Good on her for being the only responsible adult in that situation.
Also narratively it made a million times more sense for her to try to connect with Tommen on a purely emotional level
good on her, I don't blame her
It still was creepy enough. I don't think the scene was necessary at all.
The scene we got was necessary. Margery had to get some influence over Tommen before Cersei could shut it down. Also nothing happened, they just had a conversation.
Do you remember margery immediately after sex, manipulates tommen to send cersei to casterly rock . So that scene was necessary.
It's acting....you know they're not really shooting each other in war movies, right? Woke people ruin cinema.
Why is this something that has to be REFUSED? They shouldn’t be putting them in this situation in the freaking first place.
Seriously, they tried to do that.....weird and a bit sick.
It's acting....you know they're not really shooting each other in war movies, right? Woke people ruin cinema.
Man, they should have just asked me to be his stunt double.
What’s the music you use for your shorts? It’s beautiful
What in the actual fuck! Good on her she’s lovely 🥰
Good for her. Better morals than these creepy writers
The age difference in the books was similar but even more underage. There, Margaery was 16 and Tommen was 8. Although, to GRRM's credit, there was nothing sexual whatsoever between them there.
God this reminds me of Arya's sex scene. That was the most uncomfortable I've ever felt in my life. I hated Arya. Her character was awful in the later seasons.
How was her character awful?
@@waleedabbas4996The writers did dirty on Arya and same thing for other characters to make them dumb and boring on the final season.
Same here i hated her in later episodes
@@spacesight6453 I hated when Arya broke up with Gendry, same with Jamie with Brienne of Tarth too which is double standards, they’ll regret it later.
Natalie: I don't want to do this
Dean Chapman: 👁👄👁
Tommens actor was like....damn, ok
She looks comfortable enough 😂
Dumb and Dumber are some serious creeps. This isn't the only weird thing about him.
They didn't write it lol.... if you're gonna talk shit, know your shit.
I mean that 16 year old definitely enjoyed that lol
What is it with GOT writers putting underage actors in these situations? Gross
The fact that the writers even put it in the script to be an explicit scene is disturbing because they know they actors’ ages
George R. R. Martin, you mad lad
My god now you got me interested in what actually happens in books in that moment.
Me too, there is a response to another comment to answer that. Tommen was 8 and there were no sexual tension. He loved her but not like that.
He also love cats.
(Did you know you can't copy paste comments on RUclips phone ? What a shame)
Wtf
Tommem is 8 and Margaery is like 16 ☠️
the amount of "props" people here are giving a woman for not being a pedophile is honestly alarming.
Good on her. Nobody should have to be made uncomfortable especially in a precarious situation.
Tommen was like, I was this close .
😂😂😂