History to Prep for What's Coming? | Doug Wilson
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2022
- In this episode of Ask Doug, Pastor Doug Wilson answers the question, "What events in history should we study in order to understand what's coming? Any book recommendations would be helpful."
Book Recommendations:
The Fourth Turning: amzn.to/3t3s3U5
The Storm Before the Calm: amzn.to/3Kyb4PC
Ask Doug is presented by Canon Press.
Doug's Book Recommendations:
The Fourth Turning: amzn.to/3t3s3U5
The Storm Before the Calm: amzn.to/3Kyb4PC
Fate of Empires: ruclips.net/video/SBLPDfu8XGQ/видео.html
By the way it was Published in 1976. Not quite 100 years.
Doug Wilson is naive. How can he think these “crisis”, especially over last 20+ years, is due to incompetence? It’s obviously calculated and planned decades before. 2 books: Tragedy & Hope by Carol Quigly and Breif History of the future Jacques Attali. It’s no wonder why people thinks evangelicals are irrelevant when it comes to practical reality. Sad.
@@heurisko2103 Agree completely. What a fail that was. Gulag archipelago and other about nations falling (or not) to marxism, in our case neo-marxism. It’s not merely our 80-year crisis. Like run-up to Lenin, stalin, mao, pol pot, the kims in nk, and others. And he blames “stupidity”. Unbelievable.
Fourth Turning is the secular attempt at Bible codes. Intuition unguided by reason.
I had the video paused and my 5 year old son looks at Doug and says, "I want to look like that when I'm old". lol
Same.
You are teaching your sons to worship man rather than God!
So much for “sola de Gloria”
😄😄😄
@@wikeminger4791 Lol, ahhh what poppycock! Apparently his kid has a healthy sense of respect for wise elders, and probably reveres avuncular figures . . . that's all.
LOL
Therefore Ye Blessed, inure yourselves to all the hardships of the Soldier of Christ. Exercise the mind and body for we are marching in a good contest, in which the Living God is the dispenser of the prizes, and the Holy Ghost the keeper of the everlasting flame.
Prepare for War ... Train for Battle !
The Sovereign Individual is an incredible book predicting how tech is going to transform politics and the fundamental way we live our lives. great read for these times
The Great Reckoning also by Davidson and Rees-Mogg.
"the end of all evil" by jeremy locke predicts something similar. whereas "1984" and "brave new world" expressed control by tech, locke states the people would use it to attain individual freedom from tyranny
“Bumpy”? Doug?
The next couple years are going to make the last several look like Camp Funtimes.
John Glubb's "Fate of Empires" was actually written in the 70's. Also, "History of the Arab Peoples" by Glubb is very helpful if you want to understand the Middle East
Rosalyn Murray's "The Failure of the Good Pagan" written in 1932. Excellent, prophetic, and truly eye-opening book.
John Mosby of Mountain Guerrilla espouses this pretty openly in his book “Forging the Hero”. Mosby, an obvious pseudonym, isn’t a Christian, but his approach through a protective Special Forces lens is valuable as well. He uses Glubb as a great framework.
Minor detail, but it’s James Wesley Rawles. Easy to confuse that name, but if anyone wants to look him up, it’s James.
The Fourth Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe. It is an interesting read, quite thorough...I had to reread a lot to let it sink in the cranium.
In simular fashion... the book "The Pendulum" by Roy Williams drills down from from where the "Forth Turning" leaves off.
The creature from Jekyll island by G Edward Griffin
That book remains one of the most terrifying books I’ve ever read. And the Federal Reserve is dying now. We’re in for a complete upheaval in all areas of life.
"The Book of Amos" is the best novel for Christians to read if you want to see the future and the way out of it.
Am in the process of reading it right now.
Patriots Surviving the Coming Collapse is the Rawles book.
If I wrote a book like this would the Canon app publish it? Lol what a time to live in.
I'm always amazed when western believers see some rough things coming down the pike and wild predictions and various proclamations are made as we wonder aloud about when persecution will start and how long before we are unable to conduct transactions etc.
Meanwhile, believers overseas are wondering when the persecution is going to end and have learned to glory in the ostracizement and being disregarded thinking it is the normal Christian life.
The man who mentored me said, “Often revival takes place not when the top blows off but when the bottom falls out!”
I have been favored by God to meet with and minister to some of his choicest saints and very frequently Christians who are imprisoned are not put there because they are believers, they are in prison because they will not stop sharing the gospel with others. An elderly saint I met had a get out of jail card in his back pocket for most of the twenty-six years that he was in prison.
They did not force him to deny his faiths at all. He simply needed to sign the document stating that he would no longer share the Gospel with anyone else!
If that were the case most Christians could breathe a sigh of relief as the majority of western believers don't share their faith anyway.
Maybe when we gather in our meeting halls and pray corporately for God to do as he wills only that He gets his glory. Tear it all down, bring everything we clinging to dust as long as you are glorified and hearts are turned to follow you.
Pentecost seems of a necessity to happen in prison camps as his ministers offer pablum from the pulpit and forsaken truth for a lie. Proclaiming a different Gospel of a Jesus who winks at sin and wants to be our best buddy and introduce us to the “man upstairs” or “the big guy”!
We are told that Jesus loves us just the way we are and we can stay the way we are because Jesus would have gone to the cross and died even if I was the only one who would trust in him.
At some point, Jesus stopped saving us from our sin and now saves us in our sin?
On the cross,
didn't He declare that “It is finished”? Yet it seems that some think He said, “It has just started”.
Thank God that amid the religious madness Doug is on the rooftops. And with a stalwart and pithy boldness speaks with a thus sayeth the Lord!
Agree, just not sure quoting jesus say its just started is necessary as he did say it is finished.
@@allanhutton Thank you for your comment. I actually messed up my grammar at the point of your comment and I have fixed to be correct theologically and point out some think and act as if Christ's work on the cross was not complete or sufficient.
I'm so glad you caught that serious error.
I’m always amazed at the arrogance of people who say they are Christians in other countries to lecture and look down on other Christians of other countries and say suck it up regardless of legitimate conversations.
Yea gods children will always suck it up and prevail? I guess you want to watch your brothers and sisters suffer? You want them to be killed, tortured and raped. Do you get pleasure in seeing the pain of others?
Then shut up and be Christ like; love, affection and good will instead of judging.
It’s the falsehood of the Suburban Church in America: we are super spiritual! We’ll never face persecution!!
1.4 M Rwandans disagree. If they could.
@@lenny5312 I don't see where you got that. To me, it just seems that he's saying, "Any time American Christians get even a small taste of the hardships faced by Christians in other countries, we start wondering if we're living in the end times as if those kinds of hardships didn't characterize every era of the church."
Now, in my experience, persecuted Christians often don't pooh-pooh the challenges and potential persecutions in the West. Sure, they recognize it doesn't look like North Korea, but they also see the social and other pressures as very real, and share the concern that those pressures may portend future persecution that looks more like theirs.
Yes, things will stabilize and be right again after Jesus Christ glorious return! Maranatha!
Everything CERTAINLY will be excellent then.
But Doug has an optimistic outlook for the reach of the gospel > Christ's return may be hundreds of years in the future, and the gospel will permeate and influence the world
Agreed. And regarding Doug's position: the two steps forward, 1 step back over the course of many centuries is truly optimistic. But, you give our world the "smell" test, and making it another few decades will be miraculous, let alone centuries. Unless the Lord intervenes in a miraculous way, and soon, the post millennial position will start to take on a lot of water. Just sayin'.
@@Evan-lx9lw I think, if it's not in this century, it's likely going to be several thousands of years in the future
@@horrificpleasantry9474 I don't know with technology advances, population reaching such heights, one global government probably coming soon, things look like they are reaching a head soon, wouldn't be surprised if this is really it
Amen. Central bank digital currency is right around the corner. After that it’s game over, the state controls everything and there’s no human way out. We’ve reached the last chapter of the Book. Maranatha!
"Patriots" is the name of the very fine book by John Wesly Rawles. A great roadmap for surviving almost anything.
This world really does need to genuinely turn back to the Lord. His grace has been there for us throughout the pandemic, and it will be for anything to come; however, even though we have the Scriptures, that grace has completely bypassed a lot of people in the world:
Psalm 50 v15
Psalm 20 v7
Psalm 91 - all of it.
Exodus ch14 v13-14
Nahum ch1 v7
John ch14 v13-14
1John ch5 v3-5
Luke ch18 v1 and v6-8
1Peter ch5 v6-7
It’s not going to happen, the world isn’t going to turn back to the Lord, it’s going to follow the worthless shepherd
DOUG what do you think about Bitcoin? And how should christians prepare for a social credit system?
I definitely think that we are on the brink of seeing some of the worst parts of history repeating themselves…however unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it), I am drifting back to my original end times eschatology! 😅😇
Doug, I’m curious as to whether you have waivered in yours at all?
😀🥰👊🏝🇦🇺
Eighty years ago was 1942, but prior to this, almost a century ago, the US evidenced the Great Depression (following the first world war and the federal reserve restrictions). Additionally, a century ago, the USSR was born under the leadership of Jospeh Stalin, so the eighty years cycle seems a little arbitrary. The events of the end of WW1, the 1920's and 30's clearly created the conditions required for WW2 - and these developed over a period of some twenty plus years. Our current "bump" has been growing since the sixties, and I don't think we've seen it, regretfully, reach it's unfortunate maturation as yet. The current events in the Ukraine may well prove to be the birth pangs of that final process.
I would agree. I see the postulate forwarded by The Fourth Turning as pseudo science. A convenient cover story for social engineers.
I think people misunderstand The Fourth Turning. It's a general guideline, not an exact science. 80 year increments can be seen in Soviet Russia as well, as it lasted 80 years. There are the same sort of situations that take place during these times, each about 20 years apart. Even the USSR goes through it, as does England, Spain, India, etc.
Basically, it's a framework for gauging a society, and an incomplete one at that.
We were at each other’s throats in the sixties as much as now
I used to read Rawles lol.
Principles for the changing world order by Ray dalio might also be a good one
Book suggestion for what's coming: "Increasing Flexibility" by Ben Dover.
Great recommendations! Can you summarize what we are looking at for the different characters of future?
Can you clarify your second half of your second sentence?
Strauss and Howe are the coauthors of “The Fourth Turning”.
Doug, what do you think of Steve Quayle? Especially in regards to his True Legends series if you've seen it. I've always been sort of on the fence with it, a lot of it seems plausible but I'm just not sure if Steve Quayle is genuine or not, like if his content is being truthful or if he's just trying to make quick money.
John Glubb's "Fate of Empires" in abridged audiobook, part 1 ruclips.net/video/AySK7x5LhUo/видео.html
and part 2 ruclips.net/video/fNdKlHlMk8g/видео.html
very worth the 40 minutes or so
I've not yet read The Fourth Turning, but based on the summation here, I think time spans and events are being cherry picked. For example, As Doug pointed out, there was about 80 years between the start of the American Civil War and WWII, but we skipped over the things like The Spanish American War, WWI, the great influenza and the great depression. Why is that? Maybe the book provides an explanation, but again, having not yet read it, these questions come to mind.
But...there are places where it's taken many decades for the stupidity to right itself. The USSR and Communist China come to mind. Why does Doug think that sort of scenario is not likely?
We've been stupid (to varying degrees) for decades.
Good observation. And those two that you mention have yet to "right themselves".
Yes, the USSR lasted 70+ years, and many people still suffer because of its existence. I am always interested in what Doug has to say, but I must note that his recent predictions on political matters, such as the 2012 elections, have been wildly optimistic and inaccurate. I am postmillennial too, but I have a more sober/negative view of the near future.
The error of postmil theology... Postmil glasses make you say things will get better toward the end of the world, to the detriment of all the Scripture to the contrary.
@@TimmyBraun absolutely, you wonder how far things will go till post mills start to wonder if they may have misinterpreted scripture.
The intensity of the Labor pains says the world will right itself when God's salvation plan is fully complete and Jesus is ruling in the flesh on this planet. Anything other than that scenario is a pipe dream IMHO.
The Spirit moves like the wind. He has been in the West for many generations and now the west is returning to Darkness as He is bringing light to the East. That is the more accurate pattern I believe. God chooses some at a time but never before everyone at the same time.
Judges?
I’m sure the Roman Empire thought it would never fall. Enter Augustine 😜
Augustine was the first emperor
@@horrificpleasantry9474 -- You are thinking of Octavian, who called himself Augustus when he became emperor. Augustine was a Christian theologian who lived about 400 years after Augustus' time.
I think you mean enter the barbarians!
@@gregb6469 wow that was a major typo. Definitely meant Augustus.. especially since that's what I was trying to correct op about. Maybe he had the same autocorrect problem
To make his point on the 80 year crisis cycle he left out WW1
A gravity denier - nice touch.
How bout Gulag Archipelago?
Love your message!! I do fear that the stupidity you speak of is the norm throughout history.
So?
I think it's quite possible that we can get a whole lot stupider and stay the way for decades before we come to our senses, if we come to our senses. I think it would be foolish to rule out the possibility that things could become really bad and stay bad for decades or even for centuries. Who can possibly know?
Frankly I don't put a much credence in any of these prognosticators. The one sure thing we learn from history is that we have a hard time learning from history.
And here are the generations from the Fourth Turning organized cyclically and with a kind of skeleton key: ruclips.net/video/fszjZpYo_RQ/видео.html
It's almost like every generation needs to learn a lesson for their stupidity.
I'm not so optimistic as you Mr. Wilson. The inertia from the over abundance of stupid people in this country, not to mention globally is enough to make your prediction of four maybe six to eight years of a rough road ahead isn't very reassuring when you put all that is happening now in the context that we've been battling humanities "stupidity" since the Garden. When put it into that framework & context, you understand my reluctance in thinking you're correct about these so-called cycles.
Russia and China, as well as the Eastern World have not fallen for the level of stupid here in America. Neither has the muslim world, sub-Saharan Africa, or SE Asia. They need to rise on the world stage (Russia and China) so the Gospel can reach them more easily, as the western church has largely forgotten them.
It is during this time, that America will be forced (as the rest of the world pushes it away to side with the growing influence and provides of China and Russia as we already see happening) to rethink it's way of life and policies. What happens after that thinking is anyone's guess. Do we go back to a more free market economy, or do we go the route of socialism or even more facism? No one knows, but there will be a stability that must return. Why must stability return? Because many states, Texas, South Dakota, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, Kansas, Oklahoma, Montana, Alaska, etc will not want to be part of the society and there will be civil war. Civil war always ends in a split or a brought back to the middle. That's when stability will happen.
God continually brings things to a crisis point before He opens up on the other side.
Example the Red Sea crisis.
Get doug on Tim Pool
And this content is for free..
"God will not be mocked...." you reap what you sow and we're reaping the foolish attempt of the unrepentant world to mock God....
Bumpy for awhile? 🤔
I think the only thing that will not only revive society but also a Christian revival is a mass upbringing of Godly men
Trust in God, lean on Him to fix the big picture and change minds/hearts. Share and live the gospel. Be responsible. Learn how to garden and get gardening tools. Learn how to grow food, get seeds, get some water for drinking. Stock up on non-perishable food, get 3-6 months of emergency food. Get medical supplies. Find a way to protect and defend yourself. Get some guns, ammunition, and body armor, and learn how to use them. Stay low, mind your business, look out for family and friends.
Geographical determinism explains a lot of large scale epochal developments, when culture is taken into account
I would echo a number of comments. This whole notion of an 80 year cycle is very American centric. Anyways what does it matter as it pertains to scripture. Is ‘ol Doug gonna start predicting the end times.
He is citing the theory by the author of Fourth Turning.
The Gods of the Copybook Headings are preparing to limp up and explain it once more.
80 year cycles does seem to fit. Heck the black death and reformation seem to be two points in that cycle
Yes, most historians don't accept the historical cycle theory. It's easy to cherry pick events to create the narrative, and they often only analyze one specific history (e.g. United States) and don't take into consideration the world stage, which is much more complex.
@@michaeldalton8374 So what is the big deal about the Great War, except that it profoundly changed just about everything that has happened since?
quantum mechanics changes everything. we the world at large have never had the entire 8 billion population via the internet in our mouth trying to chew. some where at this moment sitting in small room is an inbred, a red button, with a six pack and the capacity to blow half of humanity to smithereens. hope this helps.
I thought Pastor Doug was a Christian? What happened to the Bible? The books he mentioned are fine, but I'll rather take the perfect (greater than merely inerrant) Romans 10:17 word of Christ. Soli Deo gloria!
Someone once said nonChristians can't understand the Church because from their delusional position, endlessly spinning in cycles without guide or direction, the Church (being in Christ (Romans 3 & 6), and thus walking surely in his perfect guidance) wrongly seems to be doing the spinning.
Doug Wilson is naive. How can he think these “crisis”, especially over last 20+ years, is due to incompetence? It’s obviously calculated and planned decades before. 2 books: Tragedy & Hope by Carol Quigly and Breif History of the future Jacques Attali. It’s no wonder why people thinks evangelicals are irrelevant when it comes to practical reality. Sad.
Because people are stupid, naive and easily controlled...
Sadly that’s true, however it’s not suppose to be for the Christian!
I don’t know if you trust and follow Christ but we are suppose to be in tune with ultimate reality who is The triune God. Thus, discerning what is true from false and marching towards the chaotic future bring it into the dominion of Christ. It’s frustrating that vast majority of evangelicals are so arrogant and naive when it comes to how the world works and navigating it practically. They just trust whatever they hear from the neocons or the left which serve only each other because it’s a managed dialectic.
@@heurisko2103 although I do believe Christ reveals to you falsehoods, especially if you're praying for it, I've seen some big holy warriors, people ready for spiritual battle, deceived. I don't think you're immune, but the more that's revealed is pretty sickening.
@@heurisko2103 global events are not staged, or we would not find out about it. The presence of leaks is proof of authenticity
@@horrificpleasantry9474 we do find out about them but they are kept from you. But people like me and others who are committed to seeing Christ over all things seek the truth and find it. Klaus Schwab who is founder and President of the world economic forum wrote a book called “Covid 19: The great reset” and the Gates foundation had event 201 with the cia and other pharmaceutical corporations in October 2019! Also John Hopkins university had “spars covid” war games back in 2017 which both detail literally everything that has happened in the last 2 years! Also it’s a fact that bush had the plans in invading Iraq on his desk to sign before 9/11 which Iraq had nothing to do with. Also the global elite tell you want they want to do to you and your children years before they do it. It’s Just like Allen Dulles head of CIA just before JFK assassin said when they released the warren commission that his assassination was a conspiracy plot. “It doesn’t matter what we admit because the public doesn’t read anymore”
Seems like we have just completed Revelation 6:2 and we are begining to enjoy Revelation 6:4. So expect lots more bloodshed all over, and then the market crash. You can own nothing, and then like it. 1/4 the earth dies from the poison plague, war, and scarcity of food.
Let's goooo, one things for sure we all die
Curious..how have we completed Rev 6:2?
@@bjsb6514 The seals, the trumpets. and the bowls
all end together - at the same time, when Jesus returns...very soon.
But men are saying, "our Master delays..."
Watch.
You’re assumed it’s stupidity in your comments, not evil intent. Our current situation is graft, ego, and malicious intent-driven. If it was evil intent causing the “bumpy” roads as you put it, would that change your comments?
If it requires being a “mature Christian” to have the capability of learning from reading a book written by an unbeliever then pastors across the nation have failed their members miserably.
Your argument is that immature believers have discernment?
@@horrificpleasantry9474 No. He is saying unbelievers know nothing. Meanwhile, he types on a computer designed by unbelievers.
@@Zxuma common grace my dude
@@Zxuma you’re completely wrong. I’m saying that if you can’t read a book and learn something simply because it’s not written by a Christian, then your pastor has failed you by not teaching sound doctrine. If you have discernment and are mature in faith, it should not be a problem to read and learn without having your faith shaken or tested. Stop assuming.
@@christophercunningham5434 -- Right on! Mature Christian discernment enables one to filter out the wrong, while keeping the right, from any aricle, book, or documentary movie.
I think Doug fails to understand the biophysical dynamics in play. Creation is an energy system thus the first act God took iN Genesis 1 was “let there be electromagnetic energy (light). Infinite growth on a finite planet is impossible.
Things don’t right themselves in the last days until Christ rights them, if you honestly think things are going to get better on their own I think your delusional and don’t understand the last days or your biblical interpretation is off.
He’s way off. Post mill is a ludicrous interpretation of the Bible. The church is small a remnant of a remnant, it will never take over the world until the King returns and overturns the world Himself.
Agreed!!
DRAGflation
"At some point everything will right itself" -- the post-millennialist sees the church pulling this off, the pre-millennialist sees Christ pulling this off. I love listening to Doug, but how many centuries does he need to demonstrate that the church is spreading the gospel, but is not ushering in a "golden age?"
In the postmillennial framework, the "golden age" is likely thousands of years off, not around the corner.
@@rockycomet4587 Yes -- thus it is never falsifiable. Of course neither is premillennialism until He returns, except that history seems to be fitting the premil expectation.
I don't see any conflict between continuing to spread influence and the world getting worse and worse outside of our influence until a global coup is attempted
@@wayneosaur What do you mean by "history"? The entirety of world history, or the past fifty years in the United States?
@@rockycomet4587 First advent until now -- whole world. Any period that even looked vaguely golden did not last. The gospel advanced, but I don't see swords turned into plowshares, lions laying down w lambs, nor anything that remotely sniffs the promises of Isaiah and the Prophets.
Please, next time you interview, resist the urge to "umm hmm." It clutters the tape, makes it impossible to edit soundbites, and is distracting to listeners. Other than that, great interview.
So, my grandchildren will be worthless. Great!
I whole-heartedly agree with Pastor Doug. The last 2 years has been a time of incredible stupidity. However, I don't think America will improve until the population homogenizes in terms of socio-economic status. The wealth gap is just too much of a divide.
The wealth gap is irrelevant if you stop concerning yourself with what's in your neighbour's wallet.
Yeah most Americans are kings compared to other countries, and if everyone was millionaires, nobody would want to work and just vacation, you have to think..
@@_lithp I personally don't care how much my neighbor makes. I do care that college is becoming prohibitively expensive and homeownership becomes increasingly more difficult with each passing year.
@@JumpJeho Where in the universe is it written anyone has to go to college or own a house? Again, you're just couching your envy and entitlement in "compassion." Ironically, the people who taught you to worry about these issues are the one's causing them.
@@JumpJeho College is becoming prohibitively expensive because the government guarantees student loans. If that weren't happening, the lenders would have to limit the amount of money they lend to each student, based on what _the student_ could pay back, rather than based on what _the government_ can pay back if the student doesn't. This would force colleges to set their prices based on what students can afford, rather than based on what the government can afford.
Wow so you know that Jesus isn’t coming in less then 5yra… Wow you know we have decades left wow
Do you know for sure that He IS coming in less than five years? Better to expect Him to not be coming for quite some time, and prepare accordingly, and then be pleasantly surprised if He does return, than to expect Him to come in the near future, not prepare for the long term, and be disappointed and unready when He does not come.
I love baby boomers explaining (teaching) the Fourth Turning when it's THEIR fault we are in a Fourth Turning.
The irony.
“Doug, which book do you recommend to read to prepare for the next few years?”. I should’ve known a postmill would not even mention the BOOK OF REVELATION to prepare. How utterly absurd!