The Bible is a Myth? | Doug Wilson
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- Опубликовано: 13 апр 2022
- In this episode of Doug Reacts, Pastor Doug Wilson responds to a video from Joe Rogan and David Mamet talking about the Bible as a myth.
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How can it be myth and fact at the same time? Is Doug a false prophet?
I think a key to the answer to your question here is the definition of what is a myth. If you spend some time on that you can see that it can be both
Doug and Canon Press, can you answer what is your belief about creation and whether it’s literal or not in your belief?
I think I get what you are trying for, but... I don't think "mythical"is the proper word. Maybe, more like mystique? Maybe fantastic. A fantasy like reality that actually happened.
Kinda like a third of the angles of Heaven coming to earth a severally messing things up. Or one from heaven wiping out 130,000(+?) people in a night. Or the ones mentioned, of course.
On a side note: I harass people, pointing out their mistakes, and tell them the truth. I try to get them to agree with what is reality and honesty and truth, or at least acknowledge it.
I do this because I give a shit. I actually care about people. I want their life to be better, easier, happier than mine.
"Language, please..."
And here's the punchline. The Bible says "...Love, compassion, long suffering, of such there is no Law."
In what context is the word "shit" used in? Crap is another word used. To "give a shit" means to care intensely. It usually comes from the poor, but often comes from people who have seen some .... Ha, gotcha. That was a reference to the experience of great tragedy in life. What I'm trying to do is reveal a truth. This truth has a Lot to do with salvation, so it's important to teach. ... However, I'm no voice to be heard, like say, you Canon Press. I'm probably the worst at it, honestly. Sorry. But what can I do. I'm still learning, so give me some time. But the task still remains.
Best I can do.
@@whtstr2133 dude that response.. I love it man!! You have a good way with words and I have a feeling God will use that.
Joe needs to call Doug Wilson on his podcast.
Or ANY Christian ever. He knows that any minority qualified apologist would mop the floor with his poor arguments.
Joe is a linear thinker who needs endless "proof" - somehow he doesn't realize the spiritual nature of consciousness itself
Abiogenesis bis a myth!
I love when joe Rogan says “you have to ignore a lot of the crazy stories in the Bible, like walking on Water and raising people from the dead, mostly things in the Old Testament”… I like Joe, but the amount of commentary he gives on the Bible shows just how absolutely ignorant he is of the Bible, and the contents therein.
I like Joe Rogan, but he’s the same guy that says there are aliens etc etc and no God 🙄
And it's not just that he says stupid things about the Bible, but that he says stupid things about the Bible with such confidence.
You like people that hate GOD
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I have read and studied the Bible and the MANY different "doctrines" for decades. I was a 100% dedicated evangelist being groomed to be a Pastor. Reality is... The "God" of the Bible is a cruel, hypocritical, mass murdering, child butchering, slavery supporting, asshole. The 10 Commandments 1. Are not even translated correctly 2. Shallow double speak 3. The entire story of Moses getting the 10 is ridiculous. 4. There are 2 sets of the 10 CONmandments.
The Bible is mostly plagiarized anyway and it is fiction. There are some good messages and wisdom sprinkled in but, it is a cafeteria line. Just pick what you want and feel good.
@Whitey look at "woke churches" before you start pointing the finger at non-believers. 🙄
Joe Rogan has a high school freshman level understanding of Christianity and religion.
Well well well, what is your level of understanding of the Bible, genius?
That much?
The Bible and doctrine of faith is so simple a toddler could understand it, Joe's understanding of faith is worse then a toddler's, what does God say about the this to demonstrate that?
"But when Jesus saw it, he was indignant and said to them, “Let the children come to me; do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God. Truly, I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child shall not enter it.” - Mark 10:14-15
"Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked the people, but Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.” And he laid his hands on them and went away." - Matthew 19:13-15
Joe Rogan is a High School freshman with a microphone.
I hear that thrown at everyone who disagrees with a religious person. The religious person claims to really 'get it' and the other person clearly doesn't. It's exhausting dealing with disingenuous religious people.
I wish more capable pastors would do response videos like these. Great job, Doug Wilson and the team at Canon.
I wish I had a pastor like this in my area!
Amen - but be kind to your pastors, they're not all Doug Wilson, and they don't have the support of Canon Press.
Douglas Wilson, the man who took on the late "great" Christopher Hitchens and came out smelling of roses. Well done Sir.
TLOLP,....This guy, (DW) just said the Bibles story of creation is a myth and you think he is a capable pastor? The fact is, he is an atheist.
@@joshuachaffin1858 ,...Im sure you do, this is because like him, you are an atheist.
I think Doug is missing the larger point here. The guy Joe is interviewing is suggesting what happens in the bible is absurd and impossible, but that's only the case if someone presumes atheism. Of course the miracles in the Bible are physically impossible through nature alone; doing something that would be otherwise physically impossible is how God sometimes chooses to prove himself. The guy Joe is interviewing is asking the question 'What do these absurd myths mean?' which is really presuming the answer to the question he should really be asking which is "Does God actually exist?" If the answer to "Does God actually exist?" is "yes" then the miracles of the Bible aren't absurd myths.
What people like this guy Joe is interviewing do is presume the truth of atheism to then try and prove atheism, all the while doing their best to try and sound philosophical; THAT is what's absurd here.
No he's a Jew
LawlessNate ~ Amen to that.
Great breakdown
I see your point here and it’s a good one but if the interviewee is meaning what you say I would have to say he’s misguided in his word choice.
No. He says the Bible is absurd and impossible because it is, regardless of someone’s belief system.
Rogon needs a counter perspective on his podcast when it comes to the bible.
Bias isn't expertise and that is all religious people have when it comes to explaining their myth.
@@MrTheclevercat Bias, in itself, also doesn’t indicate errancy. Everyone is biased in some form.
@@nicholasjohnson1075 That isn't my point. You have bias and no expertise which does indicate that you're talking out your ass. Religious people are hyperconfused people with hyperconfidence.
Joe Rogan needs a guy like you to come on and speak. I haven’t seen an episode of his but I’d watch that one.
The first thing that comes to mind when non-believers try and discuss spiritual matters. “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.”
1 Corinthians 2:14
Exactly
I wish Joe Rogan would have on Doug Wilson, John Macarthur, James White, Voddie Baucham, Jeff Durbin, or someone like that.
Literally any one of them would do
@@standingvertical3048 while my at it what?
Voddie and Doug are my favorite but yeah any would do.
Jeff Durbin is probably the most likely out of all those to be invited on by Rogan, given his martial arts background.
@@superstraightbyzantophile726 He's also closer to Rogan's age. I think they would get along.
Has Joe Rogan ever had a serious Christian on his podcast to actually talk about the bible and the existence of God? The guy needs some real substance on that department.
Call up Doug Wilson and get him on there. As surely as the waters fill the sea, the earth needs to hear about the knowledge of the Lord.
Why would Joe waste his time with such nonsense?
@@RV3G4 If you say it’s nonsense so be it, but I’ve never heard Joe give an argument about the Bible that can’t be easily refuted.
There’s no evidence for any of it, so there is no “substance” to begin with.
@@Bibleguy89-uu3nr
That's funny because I have never heard any arguments from the Bible that can't be refuted.
@@kennethking8091 Really? That’s interesting. Assuming that we both agree you’re using logic in this discussion, how do you ground logic apart from the existence of God?
We are taught in the epistle to the Ephesians that to be a Christian you have to understand many hearts or souls are darkened and they are blinded and it’s up to God our father through the Holy Spirit to make them see. We can talk and try and convince beings to the end of time. Not up to us but it’s up to Jesus. We can lead people to identify with the spirit you just cannot convince them. “But ye have not so learned Christ” Eph 4:20
I wish Joe would have Doug on his show. I'm not aware of him hosting a Christian who has serious apologetic and rhetorical chops.
He's had Jordan Peterson on. Peterson isn't the best apologist, he's done apologetics here and there but even if he was the best, Peterson doesn't seem too motivated to change Joe's mind on Christianity and Joe seems too scared to challenge him or anyone actually competent on the topic (he threw in a "hmm" and "yes" every now and then with Peterson, to show that he's listening but is very careful to agree or disagree on anything). I know he's challenged Milo Yiannopoulos (yes, I searched up how to spell that), Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens but they did a horrible job at representing Christianity, though Ben didn't do as bad for Judaism (he still did pretty bad). Joe hasn't allowed anyone good at apologetics on his podcast, from my knowledge, and probably never will but has brought on so many atheist intellectuals like Dawkins, Harris and Tyson. When he did get too much attention from Christians, he complimented the teachings of Christ to try and dampen the fire. It just shows how little he actually cares about learning and coming to the truth, he's happy to sit in his own little echo chamber on this topic.
Maybe he doesn't want to promote someone's argument from ignorance, straw mans, etc on religion? We've heard it all before. Telling us to look at the trees in a different way isn't more convincing the millionth time you hear it. Telling us you don't believe in evolution or the big bang doesn't make us question them. Etc.
@@MrTheclevercat Funny how you mentioned straw man fallacy.
@@liamdealmeida9914 Super funny because you wanted to toss a "I know you are but what am I" at me? Okay kid.
@@MrTheclevercat No, it's funny because you accuse Christian apologists of often using the straw man fallacy when in no way did you disprove anything I said, did you include anything informative/educational or did you properly represent apologists in your comment (sounds like a straw man, unless you can provide multiple sources where renowned theists tell people to "look at trees in a different way").
If you actually knew anything about the atheism and theism discussion or weren't so keen on defending Rogan, you'd see that his arguments are at the level that you'd hear in an Xbox lobby.
If Joe was just so against having "ignorant" Christian beliefs spread then he probably would have interrupted Peterson while he went on and on about how The Bible is the foundation of human communication/speech and the brilliance of The Bible but instead Joe sat quietly with his legs crossed and fingers entwined. Joe could've tried some of his social, argument tactics (which I will admit, Rogan is great at) and raw facts but knowing Jordan Peterson, I highly doubt his tactics would go far. If Joe really wants to expose Christianity, then he should just have an apologist worth his salt and an atheist worth his on his podcast so they can discuss it instead of having another atheist on where they just chalk Christianity up to being a belief that is for people that need to grow up and who just believe in fairytales.
I’ll never understand people who are flummoxed about the supernatural, miraculous aspects of the Bible. Wouldn’t you expect that from an omnipotent, supernatural being? If there weren’t examples of His miraculous abilities I would think there was something wrong. People have always understood that there are natural laws that govern reality and that acting outside these laws is something special and preternatural. It proves God and His divinity.
There aren’t examples of “his miraculous abilities”. That’s why logical people are “flummoxed”.
Anyone wanting to comment on my OP please just ignore the ignorant troll DM. Someone that imbecilic doesn’t deserve a direct response.
@@DM-dk7js Me: so you’re an atheist? Atheist: yes
Me: why don’t you believe in God?
Atheist: Because I don’t believe in fairy tales
Me: So who created the universe?
Atheist: it came from nothing
Me : 🤣😂
@@jdominguez777 strange you chose to have a fictional conversation with yourself, about me, instead of just conversing with me.
@@jdominguez777 nor did you actually address what I said lol. Weird. You’re really good at this 😂
An additional definition of myth: A cyclical story throughout human history that affects us at a phenomenalogical level.
example: the history of Israel: to God, away from God. Righteousness, to unrighteousness back to righteousness.
Need to get Doug on the Rogan podcast!
Man, I would love to see Doug on Rogan, haha. Any chance that'll happen?
Durbin needs to visit Rogan.
I love durbin, but he won't even engage the genesis 6 stuff sons of God stuff, so, alot of reformed people don't know what to do with that I was surprised to hear Wilson's take on genesis 6
I see a cannon press video. I like. Simple.
You like, simple. I’m just, like, simple.
Canon
He definitely did not learn from Jordan Peterson the last time he was on his show.
That’s assuming he actually wants to learn and not just have his biases confirmed.
Could you give me a quick synopsis of what Peterson said?
You know, I've watched Joe for years, and i accept him as an intellectual, and I think Joe would be the first to say don't take my word for it. Look into it for yourself.
When it comes to the Bible or religion in general. He clearly made his choice a long time ago. There are pictures of Joe with Anton Lavey's son. He takes DMT and communicates with other inter dimensional entities. His words not mine.
I loved every second, thank you its so simple.
I am so grateful to Jesus for giving his life, as we are celebrating Easter.
Praise Jesus. Thank you fellow believers. Amen
You guys can’t keep teasing us like this! Get Dougy on the podcast!
Would Pastor Wilson go on Rogan or perhaps Jordan Peterson's podcast?
Canon press needs to sell coasters... and then use one for the Doug mug on that table...
Doug interviewing Mamet would be amazing!
I love Doug Wilson! He rocks
God bless you, Pastor Doug. I got up to about 9 minutes. I can't take listening to their ignorance anymore. It sounds like Rogan has ever even read it. Again, I just can't understand why that guy's program is SO huge / popular.
Great video! I’m just happy I beat you to this one 🤣🤣🤣
You did better than me though
I think many people want to see Doug Wilson on the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast.
@Spencer Meyer don't podcast your pearls before swine so to speak.
@Spencer Meyer You'd be surprised to know Joe is open to all views and let's his guest speak freely but most importantly millions of listeners would hear the Gospel.
I would actually like to see that.
Joe Rogan, for his faults, does have many different people on his show.
I have thought this for years. If the true message of the Scriptures is to obtained, God has to reveal it to us. How can human beings, as prone as we are to going astray very easily, know what version of Christianity is true, for instance, let alone which religion is true? We can go astray at any point and miss the Truth as a result.
We believe because God reveals it to our minds, and he provides the means of salvation to us. We could never figure it out on our own. We are prone to errors at every point. If we are to know the truth, God must reveal it to us.
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Douglas Wilson, I think Joe would have you on based on “Collision”. However, I think you would need a big, and organized push on social media to make it happen. As I understand it if it isn’t on his radar it takes over 1500 tags, hashtags, messages etc from the audience even to get noticed.
Mamet and Rogan speak with such authority. It's sad how ego drives ppl to deny that which is so evident.
If its so evident why do people who ask for evidence get nothing from religious people? From the outside it looks painful to automatically believe the things you must believe to be a christian.
Get Doug Wilson on Joe Rogan's podcast!
Wait for Joe to say amen 😁
Ok, it is way overdue for Doug to be on the Joe Rogan Experience.
Watch out for people who try to tell you you shouldn't have an ego They're trying to control you. Your ego is there for a reason
People who say that you are prideful watch out for that
Ive been taking world literature this semester, and we learned several different creation accounts from different cultures. And we addressed the Hebrew Genesis account as myth and two separate accounts inconsistent with each other, which was no fun. Thanks for your reaction
I wouldn’t have been able to sit in class for those lessons.
Yea well I was told that genesis accou ts were written around 2000 bc and that other texts were written around 4000 to 3000 so how Genesis ripped off others
@@marchosch3876 yea, those are good points
This has been the academic liberal narrative for about the past century and a half now it's just a given in the mainstream though I don't think Doug's reaction is anything but typical conservative Bible thumper milktoast takes. Not that there's anything wrong with plain dull shorthand lay responses but a real rebuttal to matters such as this should be something along the lines of John Walton's scholarly works on these issues.
@@tylerrobinsonmusic genesis is a direct attack at those other religions. Each day (wether literal 24 hours or long period of time) is a direct attack at ancient Egyptian or Mesopotamian gods because Jews were carrying idols from other religions when coming out of Egypt.
Reading the comments here, not many seem to know who David Mamet is. He wrote dark off-Broadway plays about low-lifes and criminals arguing about the meaning of life: "The Hot L Baltimore", "The fifth of July", "Glengarry Glenross", but that was 40-50 years ago. I didn't know that he was still around. It sounds like Joseph Campbell was Mamet's guru. Doug kindly points out the contradictions of Mamet's logic.
The Power of Myth series on PBS that Campbell did, basically, grouped all ancient belief systems as a collection of crazy ideas found across the globe. His alternative worldview is mimicked by Mamet obviously.
"escaping from your inner Pharaoh..."? 😂😂😂
Thanks ya big dummy, I needed a good laugh.
If you want bigger laughs, read the Bible.
early life on JR's guest checks out lol
The deciples all went to the grave defending Jesus. That's strong testimony. Peter denied christ 3 times. All he had to do was denounce christ one more timebto save his life, but after the resurrection he couldn't deny him.
I am not understanding what Mr Wilson is saying when he agrees with mythical Adam and Eve. The Genesis account was written as a matter of record and not in an allegorical sense.
I really wish Wilson would go on Rogan and act as a formidable opponent compared to these straw men he always has on his show, who always give very weak and misrepresented explanations of the faith. I don’t know why religion, Christianity, is one of the few areas where Rogan either doesn’t want to or is just ignorant of getting a true opponent to whatever he believes. As much as I love Rogan, he always gets this wrong. The closest thing to orthodoxy as you’ll get on his show is from Peterson, and he’s still largely looking through the lenses of myth.
When it comes to religion and weed, Rogan is as closed-minded as they come.
The thing you have to ask yourself, if you're Rogan, is 'do I actually want to hear the gospel preached?'
Joe Rogan is ignorant because he wants to be ignorant. The end.
@@MichaelCorbanRose Interesting take.. I think you’ve confused close-minded for open-minded though! Doug has decided weed is bad and that he knows exactly which god is the only correct one. Joe experiments with weed and asks questions about a multiplicity of religions. Do you see how one is closed and the other open?
Wait, did Doug say that he is willing to accept that the story of Adam & Eve is a myth? Did I hear that right?
How could anybody not believe in a talking snake? How dumb are people?
@@nofairytales5604tell us more about how you’re a talking ape that evolved from pond scum and fish.
Joe Rogan is a High School freshman with a microphone.
keep sending, guys.
I would like to ask him what about all the historical evidence that has popped up over the centuries? I would also like to ask him what about the extra biblical references to Christ himself written by people who didn't talk about him in a very flattering way. There's a lot left out here
But there is no evidence of a global flood bones or anyone in the Bible or proof that we all came from Adam and Eve
@@1sgr1999 when the Bible reaches out into society in the political structure that it was written in both old and testament there is historical evidence for what it says. For example for a while scholars didn't believe that King David existed until in 1993 they found what they call the David Stone. That stoned mentioned a battle that Israel was in with a given town in Egypt and they lost that battle (the Israelites lost) that stoned mentions the House of David. There are many more examples like this.
@@ThecrosseyedTexan You could do your own research of all my claims by the way …..But no archeological evidence of Jewish slaves in Egypt no evidence of any characters in the Bible no scientific evidence or logically possible way of a global flood and should I mention the talking snakes donkeys sea of blood 7 headed dragons thousand eyed sheeps etc etc. definitely sounds like some Harry Potter shit if you ask me
@@1sgr1999 There is actually hardly any debate anymore about the global flood. It happened. Athiests think one part of the world flooded at a time because there is solid evidence that the whole earth was flooded. Christians believe the bible and what it says about the flood. The more research that is done the more the bible is proven to be literal and true. Polystrata fossils of trees going through the layers prove the flood is true and burried skeleton beds. Also animals eating other animals fossilizing all over the world.
@@torturetuesday5191 you need to use your brain it is impossible for the flood to even occur that is insane and god could’ve just wiped all evil out of existence but yet decides to flood the whole earth doesn’t sound all powerful to me just like he created Adam and Eve why couldn’t he just create new people or animals it just doesn’t logically make sense please lose your fairytale nonsense in the past this is 2022
Proverbs 20 vs 11
This is an example of men suppressing the truth even children know what’s wrong and right and our conscience bears witness
I vote for Doug Wilson to be on Rogan’s podcast.
It’s the absurdities that make the stories memorable.
Most of the Renewed Covenant (new testament) was originally wrote in Hebrew then translated to Greek and so on, the dead sea scrolls when they were found clarified a lot of misinformation
That's such equivocation over the word "Torah." When Jews study Torah, they generally are referring to the Talmud and its legal rulings. I think the conflation of the term "Torah" for the Pentateuch, which is part of Christianity, and "Torah" for the Talmud, which is explicitly anti-Christian, is intentional.
Joe also just posted the other day that he's reading Marcus Aurelius stoic meditations... Shouldn't be long now I think we're going to get to witness a beautiful celebrity conversion 👍🤙 he's making his way up the mountain.
I'm facepalming so much that I'm getting traumatic brain injury.
“And we are witnesses of all that he did both in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They put him to death by hanging him on a tree, but God raised him on the third day and made him to appear” (Acts 10:39-40, ESV)
Hmmm, joe will have this confused gentleman on his show but not doug.🤔
If they felt the Holy Spirit come in and change their heart they wouldn’t feel that way.
Those who know Christ aren’t phased.
This is carnal minds trying to understand spiritual matters.
Very true, they can’t “see”
If the Holy Spirit was a real thing no one would have other religious beliefs or lack religious beliefs. It's part of christian mythology. That's all.
@@MrTheclevercat there was a point in my life where I probably would have agreed with you.
I understand how you feel, but once God changes your heart and you experience it there is no denying Him. If we’ve all been deceived and life really did spring forth from nothing for no reason, then I will still consider my short existence in this meaningless world better for having built my life on the principles Jesus taught. I assure you Jesus is alive, but you will never know unless you genuinely seek Him.
The guest likes to hear himself talk.
He actually said that he does earlier this week on the April 11 episode of hugh hewitts podcast, so much so that he lost his train of thought
@@LifeEternalAlways wow.
I don't understand the atheistic argument that the God of the Bible can't exist because miracles, resurrection, walking on water can't happen, because it isn't Scientifically verified. That's like telling a software designer that he doesn't exist, because he was able to accomplish things inside his own application that basic users can't.
Joe Rogan says walking on water and the ressurection was in the Old Testament
Exactly … smh
The remark that one power created every creation challenge every man, why was good and evil if it didn't need each other is what mature man could count on its ability to determined that phrase possible and impossible is a challenge for mans ability to determine those phrases, as spirit babies you consider possible can definitely beat impossible that was truth for mans ability to decide by shadows and science is like counting sand you will fail.
He seems to think the pagans didn't actually believe in their myths; they did. They actually thought that Zeus turned into a goose and did things we don't tell children about. And the Hindus of India do actually believe in the Bahavhad Gita (don't mind my misspelling).
The girls great
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@@yep33whalesbebig60 I can honestly say that I have no clue what your comment means.
@@robertlewis6915 just saying the gitas awesome
People believe all sorts of crazy things
Still waiting Amén
The Torah is not the Jewish Bible. That is the Tanach. The Tora is the first five books of the Bible attributed to Moses. It’s these sloppy, vague, inaccurate ideas thrown around by people that go uncoorected that spreads so much confusion and drives me crazy. It’s like saying Christopher Columbus discovered America by accident because he didn’t update his iPad and stupid and uninformed people just let that slide by without question. Believe me two hundred years from now someone might say that about Columbus and no one will know enough about the past to question that. It was his iPhone.
I'd be careful saying something like "there are myths in the Bible". You implied that the creation account is an allegory for some means other than what is literally written. But that implication doesn't agree with your clear assessment of the Bible's clarity. It just sounded like what you implied isn't what you meant.
Definitionally, what would make a "perfect myth"? The answer is not in legendary embellishments -though those are often (not always) found IN myths. No, a "perfect myth" would be a story demonstrating transcendental truth(s). Further, for it to be a perfect example of a myth, it would also be a factually and literally true story. In that regard, the New Testament - in particular, the crucifixion and empty tomb - is a perfect myth. Like Jordan Peterson suggests, it's quite literally more true than true - which defines it as myth, but uniquely, it's also "true" in the mundane sense of the word.
why does Douglas not accept the Adam and Eve account
I have to say, as someone who has struggled for many years to believe in the Bible and God, I think David Mamet nailed this. He waffled a bit with the gender stuff and the joke comparison, but his initial and final comments on the Bible are penetratingly accurate. This is the very first reaction video I've seen Doug do where I didn't think he absolutely clobbered the opposing argument. I think he's making frustratingly pedantic side comments throughout that don't really defend his point with his usual gusto. His defense isn't really going to convert anyone, it's really addressed only to steadfast believers. The reason for that is he usually interacts either with people (like Brandon Roberts) who are trying to distort the meaning or story of the Bible, or with atheists who don't really know what they're talking about because they aren't Biblically educated or are just ignorant. Not trying to hate or troll anyone. I'm open to changing my mind, but I can't deny the hard truth there is in David Mamet's words here.
Is that David Mamet?
Jesus said, "Judge not by appearance but judge by righteous judgment." Past sensorial experience, what we think of as history is not what is important. Jesus took the "historical" parable of the Adam and Eve story and revised it with the parable of the prodigal son. God is very different as we compare the two. Jesus knew God as only love because he had perfected love to a much greater degree than the writers of the Old Testament.
The problem is that Roman asked, “What do you think”? He has no objective basis. Quite frankly, I think Roman might fear spending time in the Bible, because it might change his life.
If you use the restroom, leave a dime on the counter. Doug is ever the down-to-earth man.
Pastor Doug needs to go on JRE and take him to school.
It's always a bad thing to have your first impression of someone be a negative one. I have no idea why Rogan is so popular. The first time I heard him, he was also complaining about the Bible. I can't remember what it was. Did Doug do a prior one about him? Not sure. But this guy seems so ignorant. Why is he SO popular?
I do enjoy me some esotericism. I do enjoy me some Septuagint. I do enjoy me to criticize the Masoretic text. I do enjoy me some allegory. That all said; I do enjoy me some Doug Wilson.
Ahem.... "Octopi"......
(Sits in corner with fresh 🍿 waiting for the grammar fascists to out themselves....) this'll be fun....
I've always felt that myth is something like a generalized description of human desires interplaying with reality. Desires result in some kind of purposefull action. The actions produce an outcome which has consequences for that desire.
Mythic stories have characters we automatically identify with. The tortoise and the hare have clear motivations. Understanding the fable increases your individual mental fitness. Ancestors interacted with this pattern of behavior so many times (thousands of years, probably since the the dawn of competitions between humans that were aware/conscious) that the fable has built itself into our bodies and culture.
People did not make up God though
@@SMNR777 Which god did people not make up??
if you dont have an orthodox tradition, how do you know you’re interpreting the bible correctly? by what authority do you say you are interpreting correctly when what you say conflicts with the orthodox church and holy fathers?
You can justify basically any view by invoking this father or that father. Eastern Orthodox dont much care for Augustine because they don't have a biblical anthropology. Even the mormons could use Origen. Youve got it backwards, the bible should be over your traditions. Theres absolutely no reason we should just assume the eastern orthodox has everything right. Just like how we don't assume the Roman church has everything right.
That is one aspect i eventually came to grips with in Christianity; every sect, denomination and church has its own interpretation of Scripture. What they call the "Word of God" is just that particular groupthink's view of some writing. To condemn others for being human and having a differing conclusion takes them from groupthink to cult.
Okay... prove your tradition is the correct Tradition™.
Also, the church fathers weren't monolithic on very much at all. The only things are probably: The Trinity, Baptismal regeneration, Real Presence.
Octopuses can walk and I wouldn't be surprised to find two of them in a laundromat
I don't waste much time on the Rogan meme (and that's all it is) because he's a lightweight and just more hot air. He's Art Bell for the daytime. The blind leading the blind. Ever learning but never able to grasp. It's sad and another indicator of a generation that cannot grow up and gets its wisdom from comedians and actors.
Remember, this is the guy who "broke" Jordan PEterson into the big leagues, according to himself.
9:48 Superposition doesn’t make sense,, quantum particle entanglement doesn’t make sense etc.
doug is the boy
Doug is the kid
That guy was like if Dunning-Kruger shaved with Ochams Razor....
If you interpret the virgin birth of Jesus, his sinless life, crucifixion and rise from the dead as literal - there is no reason to not interpret old testament stories as literal too. People say "that's impossible, Noah and his ark, Moses and the red sea" but that's sort of the point. It's impossible for man by himself, but these figures had GOD - the creator - nothing is impossible with God - that's what makes these stories so amazing, they're miracles!
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
It means the Red Sea parted
A wise man watching two blind men getting lost together!!!😂😂😂
Nice laptop!
No one sane can read the bible and honestly conclude that it is not talking about historical events. It is so abundantly clear from reading it, even about Adam and eve, that it is about matter of fact events and not just a fairytale. You don't tell fairy tales like "once upon a time there was a made named Adam, and he lived exactly 930 years, and when he was X years old he begat Cain, Abel, Seth and had other sons and daughters" . that's giving a genealogy of people who actually lived. Why record the generations of fairytale characters? It only makes sense if they were real people
How is it logically possibly that 7 billion people of different races and ethnicities come from literally two people that is impossible do you people really believe that story really?
Nah.
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"Why record the generations of fairytale characters?"
Ask tolkein, stan lee and rowling.
David appears to be a secular Jew. No surprise with his view on God and Bible. No point arguing with him. Only God can change our heart.
Just because we don't understand things in the Bible doesn't mean it's wrong, it means we haven't understood it yet. We see through a dark glass dimly.
Joe does the same exact thing That he doesn't like people doing to him. It takes one part of The Bible he doesn't like and writes off the whole thing. What if that happened to everybody? What if everybody got judged for just the one thing they did in life bad or misunderstood?
He had me until he stated he believed Adam and Eve were mythical. REALLY? Once you begin to talk like that, you've lost your entire argument. A real Christian believes what Christ and the Apostle believed, that Adam and Eve were real people, the result of a literal, contiguous Creation week. The book of Genesis is written in narrative form, not as a mythical story. In other words, the author believed what he wrote.
Oh come on.
@@jasongallman2032 If you are honest, you know I'm telling the truth.
@@danielcristancho3738 Honesty is why I had to abandon any literal interpretation of genesis and eventually abandon faith in any of the abrahamic religions. They aren't true.
@@jasongallman2032 Abraham had only one religion and he only had one God, the God of the Bible. And why should it be so hard to believe God can create instantly and with a word? Is God like us? It's all over scripture. It's not just in the book of Genesis that we are told God is the Creator of this planet and that it was created with the power of His word. Christ Himself spoke of Adam and Eve, not as figments of imagination but as REAL PEOPLE. In fact, Luke goes so far as to put Adam as one of the descendants of Christ. Either Luke, inspired by the Holy Spirit, is telling the truth or the Holy Spirit inspires disrespect and misinformation in holy prophets. No sir, you've been lied to. The God of Genesis is real, what is described in Genesis is real and you ignore the bible at your own peril.
I believe that we need to study and have at least a decent understanding of ALL RELIGIONS in order to comprehend, understand and make our own decisions as to what we truly individually BELIEVE....we must also research ...how, where and WHEN and BY WHOM...any and all material used in our research...came from....we spend more time choosing a tooth paste than actually CHOOSING OUR OWN RELIGIOUS BELIEFS
Ok, ok, let's respond to the book of Enoch next.
You can just tell he hasn’t spent much time in Bible
When will this guy have on a true believer that can correct him on this stuff!!!
Yeah, ok, now tell me one more time so I can get it straight cuz this is really important to me: What is it that actually happens to me when...I...uh....die?