Why the Gospels are Myth | Richard Carrier
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- American historian, atheist, author, public speaker and blogger Richard Carrier gives a talk in Toronto, ON on the historicity of Jesus and corresponding Christian Gospels.
You can find a copy of Dr. Carrier's book "On the Historicity of Jesus" here: www.amazon.ca/...
Why would the creator of the whole universe need to hide messages in a book?
Books were going out of style. Any sentient creator would have predicted this.
@@HighestRank Jewish men in the Bronze Age did not.....Good point! Jewish men wrote that book, they did an awesome job, more and more of us are on to the "scam"
Why not? People like to read books, they’re easily carried, and can be copied accurately.
Who said the message was hidden? Why did you believe them?
@@davidconklin9552 Why did you believe absurd fairy tales by proven liars? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html According to world-renowned New Testament expert Dr. Bart Ehrman: "the bible is full of lies", the gospel stories are "fabricated accounts", and the books of the New Testament are "forgeries built on lies." www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301.html
so Moses didnt exist? but i saw the movie!!
I saw the moon landing on tv too. It must be true
@@louiseleite3866 Well atleast people saw the rocket take off...
@@caraxes_noodleboi yeah, because that's the same thing 😹😹😹
@@louiseleite3866 the reason why you can have youtube and post emojis is because of science. wifi is true regardless whether u can see it. if moon landing is a hoax, it is the failure of politicians, not the failure of science. Moses if real is someone who is so weak he can't even bring clean running water in a water pipe, and his god is so weak it can't even bring light in an electrical bulb to the people they favour.
If Moses is real, Monkey God is more real than Moses, his master Xuanzang is a real historical person who lived in Tang dynasty.
If Spider-Man didn't exist then how did he defeat the Green Goblin! In your face, Spider-Man disbelievers!
Holy Ghostbuster hahaha!🤟
If only we were all as dumb as you lol
@Bran Evans Speaking of childish, anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
911 sorted that one out for those living in fantasy land. Where was super man then?
But Spider-Man met Obama and lives in a real place, NYC! He must be real!
It’s hard to believe that in the third decade of the twenty first century, people are still worshiping gods.
It’s incomprehensible to me that people can be so deluded and can’t face the simple fact that we’re born, we live and we die and that’s it.
It’s really not that complicated.
Good luck with that.
Wouldn’t it be good to believe in that that’s like saying you’re just a bundle of dna that goes for a big sleep lot of people could just do whatever they like no spirt no will no hope no nothing no miracles if you’ve never heard of Fatima a place in Portugal find out what happened thier then tell me how it’s not true I believe in it so please take away my faith in the story should be easy for you I obviously have a low iq and never Question things that are true and amazing so I look forward to your intelligent humiliation if you’re unable maybe your wrong
You know there is no proof god doesn’t exists, science can’t discredit if there is a god or not. Also Abrahamic faiths are not the only faiths, you think the Dharmic faiths are just like the Abrahamic faiths.
Fatima
Who or what do YOU worship, Slave?
If the Christian God is real it's doing a poor job.
They G0d is not real u better off worshipping something else🌜🌞🌛
Watching a video about how Jesus was likely a mythical character and RUclips decides to place a pro-Christian ad on it. Well done, RUclips.
I strongly suspect those are targeted. I get them too, when I watch skeptical or atheist content.
HODthunderwolf, the jokes on anyone who takes this clown seriously
@@michaelbrickley2443 Hey clown, “A fool will believe anything”(Prov. 14:15). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). So post your video demonstrating the magic poison-resistance superpowers that Lying Jesus promised! It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
That's why I pay premium
RUclips are so real for that
This lecture really helps me appreciate the gospels as literature. Really elaborate and complex storytelling with stories embedded within each other. I remember JD Crossan saying that the ancients understood that this was myth and could value myth as complex moral lessons, unlike our present day believers.
I'd take a lot of Richard Carrier's work with a very large pinch of salt. The Bible is full of nonsense, but not to the extent that Carrier says. He's also factually wrong on a lot of the things he says
T H I’m gathering this as I’ve watched more of his lectures. He avoids seeming defensive by preemptively attacking his would be doubters throughout the lecture. He’s a great speaker for sure. The more I’ve read the more he seems overconfident in his Philo Of Alexandria hypotheses. I’m intrigued in seeing more secular scholars debate the historicity of Jesus Christ but it would be preferable for it to be by people who don’t just outright find Christianity offensive. I like carrier, but he sometimes comes across as a disillusioned former Christian. I like the point he makes that there are too many Jesus apologists with evangelical agendas in the field. But I also don’t think historians with a grudge is any better.
But is it good literature? I mean I like Homer, but...
Jeffrey Hughes I personally like that there’s poetry to the structure, and that there are elaborate ideas within the plot. But complexity doesn’t necessarily make it good literature. I think it’s important to be able to make the option that religious writings can be appreciated as literature and that some of it is amazing and some of it is awful. There’s a book that was helpful in this type of appreciation called “the enjoyment of scripture “
its yaboii I mean if you believe that Jesus is god and god can do the impossible, of course you would hold Jesus to that standard. I personally don’t think that either being religious or atheist is easy. Life is hard no matter what. You just have different obstacles. Your experience might make theism harder so it’s a relief to have freedom from that. I think we hold on to stories that have meaning and show us a path. Sometimes science or idealism are a good vehicle for it. Some people need a supernatural narrative and belief adds value to that narrative. I don’t like to knock people for their beliefs. People’s behavior on the other hand is worth serious criticism. Sometimes unhealthy behavior comes from belief systems and that’s also worth examining.
It just amazes me that people don’t get what is obviously a myth.
I understand, especially when ur raised in some sort of religion ur whole life. People are real gullible and believe anything without evidence doesn’t matter how ridiculous it sounds. I mean look at heavens gate cult which they killed them selves believing they would go on a spaceship. So many religions, even our famous actors like Tom cruise believe Scientology
@James Henry Smithshow your proof without referencing the Bible? Because that isn't proof for your belief based on faith.
@James Henry Smith You are delusional
It's so shocking. Even more, they will swiftly point out how mythological other religions sound.
@@ndeamonk24 Christians perceive themselves as special, superior and the chosen ones, when compared to others. Hence they get offended when we say their Bible is another stupid desert mythology
Just as West Side Story is a remake of Romeo and Juliet, Romeo and Juliet itself is a remake of Ovid's Pyramus and Thisbe.
the story goes back to Babylon which probably got it from the Sumerians....
...which Shakespeare reprises in the last act of Midsummer Night's Dream.
Came across this information - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/evidenceoftheresurrection/ looks at Christianity with Reason and Logical Evaluation, using Evidences and Sources that establishes reasons for Truthful reporting. Explains Proven Biblical Manuscript History ( Historiography ) as the most testified in ancient antiquity.
www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ and Answers Sceptic Accusations trying to discredit the Witness Accounts. As well simplifies what a person must do to be saved - www.doesgodexistandbeyond.com/saved-in-christ/ Has information not very well known. Worth a read
I hate to break it to you but Romeo and Juliet happens every year all over the world. 2 people fall in love against their respective families wishes and get killed for it. That's what myths are. Real stories that get blistered up for effect.
So u believe in Jesus ??
I watch some of these atheist analyses of the New Testament and now Facebook is filling my feed with preachers.
I was asked to watch his ideo on Historical Jesus. After the first 28 minutes I had a headache from picking at all the onsense.
Resisting truth is harder than embracing it.
I have the opposite of your problem and mine is filled with atheists...that's weird...😕
@in777sight why do you say Abraham is called murder?
@@stompthedragon4010 if you really want to know the history of the Bible then look up Father Mitch.
The more you know, The less you believe in myth.
@Leon thecat Is that true?
@Leon thecat All the time. Funny thing is, almost all of the biggest contributors to science and human advancement historically have been Christian.
@Leon thecat The list of Christians that contributed to the field of science is a quite bit more extensive than that. If your claim is all or even most scientific thinkers of antiquity were "pretending" to be Christian, you would have to support it with evidence. Also, why do you think science and religion have to be at odds? Plenty of modern Christian scientists and doctors would scoff at the idea. Ever consider they are intended to address different aspects of reality?
@Leon thecat *"These stories were presented and disseminated to placate and control the base instincts of the masses"*
To be brief, religion deals with morality and the concept of right and wrong. This isn't within the purview of science, which is intended to tell us what's true about the physical world. If by "control" you mean it lays ground work for how we should treat each other, then for that I am grateful. You should be as well. Do you believe in objective morality? That is, a standard of right and wrong that transcends the personal opinions of all humans?
The bible is not a science book btw. If you've categorized it as such you're doing it and yourself a disservice.
@Leon thecat *"The bible presents itself as a science book."*
Have you read the bible? It's a collection of 66 books from 40 different authors. These books have varying genres, from proverbs, poetry in song of Solomon, and recorded history in books like Kings and Chronicles. The main "scientific" claim that the bible makes is that the universe had a beginning. Something that we've recently confirmed with the BGV theorem.
*"Morality? Hogwash."*
You still haven't answered the question. Do you believe that an objective moral standard exists? Can't use evolution, because some people have "evolved" to think murder is acceptable. If that's the case, how can we say that they are acting immorally?
I'm sure the scared apostles all bravely accepted crucifixion for a myth... Right...
What? None of the apostles ever was executed by crucifixion and this statement relays entirely on the presumption that the gospels were all written by the 1st century illiterate Jewish fisherman, which is obviously not the case because the gospels are anonymous.
this is some serious dissection
The utter compulsion to control man from its onset has created a rabbit hole of astronomical deception that few could ever begin to comprehend.
Exactly.
A whole relationship. A few could at least see its own beginning.
I'm skeptical that it is "from the onset", because humans have existed for, what, a couple hundred thousand years? And it seems that these kinds of institutionalized religions didn't start to appear until well after civilization began. To me, it's more to do with power, hierarchy, and authority being concentrated into established institutions that are enforced by organized violence.
@@atortarr there was probably proto religion. We started with Animism, but we've found sites like Gobekli Tepe which appear to be religious sites make by hunter gatherers, before traditional civilization.
These hunter gatherers were most likely nomadic, staying at different sites depending on the season.
But they've built and buried large stone sites, with intricate cravings . Something we previously believed only civilizations would do
you are supposed to solve the mess and declare yourself reborn in Jesus.
what, you expect the religious loonies to solve the mess?! you do it! be warned!
Curses the fig tree for not having fruit, then overturns all the moneylenders tables in the temple. Obviously he was very hangry!
anger is not written about for these 2, nor is it needed for action
@in777sight Jesus committed assult?
@in777sightJesus attempted murder and has insighted murder gospel of luke. And book of revelation says jesus will kill those that don't believe him.
God said did not kill? don't make me laugh.
Of course the gospels are myth! The question is WHO made such an elaborate myth, and WHY? Why not Josephus working for Vespasians?
It's amazing to me that Monty Python got in so much trouble for The Life of Brian. If they had ACTUALLY made fun of the Bible, like including a monster from outer space, or a horde of undead descending on Jerusalem, it probably never would have got made.
I preferred the "not the 9 oclock news' version where the bible movie is accused of slandering monthy python with even the main characters initials being the same....JC .. hahah.....
The Life of Brian actually does make fun of the Bible, and does it beautifully.
It did actually include monsters from outer space. They saved Brian in their ship when he fell from the tower!😀
Oh shit you're right!!!! Forgive me Monty. @@Flubbydubbydoodoo
What a coincidence seeing you here. What got you interested in this video? You have great musical taste by the way.
I wish they would have included the Power Point presentation in the video. Nonetheless, great lecture! Very informative and just added to my Favorites list.
Table of Contents
00:00 - 01:33 Introduction.
01:34 - 03:57 Formal and informal criteria for analysis.
03:58 - 05:52 Gospels don't even look like history or even other ancient histories.
05:53 - 07:46 Markers of myth in ancient world
07:47 - 09:14 Gospels lack corroboration.
09:15 - 15:34 Gospels are filled with the improbable (natural, miraculous, cultural, and historical improbabilities).
15:35 - 15:38 Emulating other myths.
15:39 - 16:08 Jesus emulates Moses.
16:09 - 22:38 Example of Jesus emulating Moses (The 10 Miracles of Jesus - Decalogue of Jesus).
22:38 - 23:05 Jesus emulates Elijah/Elisha from Kings narrative (list form).
23:06 - 24:32 Example of Jesus emulating Elijah/Elisha.
24:33 - 25:27 Description of Ring Structure.
25:28 - 25:31 Inclusio in Markan Sandwiches.
25:32 - 26:07 Inclusio in Mark #1 (Woman bleeding 12 years, 12 year old girl resurrected - Old/New Israel)
26:08 - 29:02 Inclusio in Mark #2 (Jesus, The Cursed Fig Tree, Clearing the Temple - Old/New Israel)
29:03 - 30:36 Parallels in Baptism and Crucifixion in John.
30:37 - 33:21 Triadic cycles in Mark.
33:22 - 36:22 The entire Gospel of Matthew is a chiasmus.
36:23 - 38:38 The entire crucifixion narrative in Matthew is a chiasmus.
38:39 - 39:21 The Sermon on the Mount was likely written in Greek and is a construction.
39:24 - 41:34 Parallel between boy Jesus in Temple and Jesus appearing going to Emmaus in Luke.
41:35 - 42:25 Parallel stories within in Gospel of John.
42:26 - 47:06 Jesus' boyfriend in John.
47:07 - 51:12 Lazarus was mythical at first then historicized (Euhemerized) in John.
51:13 -53:39 Response to common objections in Proving History. (Rapid legendary development, Myths would be gainsaid, We can recover history)
53:40 - 54:02 Concluding remarks.
54:03 - 57:37 C.H.R.E.S.T.U.S. computer app.
57:38 Beginning of questions from audience.
If video maker wants to put this in description I'm fine with that.
superdog797 sup
Are you Jesus? I mean Moses?
@@daltonlucas5529 Don't you know that if a man hath long hair, it is a shame unto him? 1 Corinthians 11:14
@@daltonlucas5529 “The overwhelming scholarly consensus today is that Moses is a mythical figure." bible.org/seriespage/1-current-attitudes-bible-history-and-archaeology
@@daltonlucas5529 Dr. Israel Finkelstein, Professor of the Archaeology of Israel, Tel Aviv University: "Jewish archaeologists have found no historical or archaeological evidence to back the biblical narrative on the Exodus, the Jews’ wandering in Sinai or Joshua’s conquest of Canaan. On the alleged Temple of Solomon, Finkelstein said that there is no archaeological evidence to prove it really existed."
www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140220-senior-israeli-archaeologist-casts-doubt-on-jewish-heritage-of-jerusalem/
@@daltonlucas5529 Dr. William G. Dever, Professor of Near Eastern Archaeology and Anthropology at the University of Arizona, "My view all along-and especially in the recent books-is first that the biblical narratives are indeed 'stories,' often fictional and almost always propagandistic." www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Contra_Davies.shtml
Another reason they didn't need Judas to identify Jesus is that Jesus was, according to all the pictures, the only white dude in Palestine
Don’t worry, Jesus loves dumb people too
Nah, all the apostles were white too 😂
Ignorant. Do an Internet search for: blue eyed people Levant 6500 years ago
You'll find genetic study. Demographics are vastly different today than they were in antiquity. White/Caucasian/Cro Magnon dominated all of the Mediterranean and Levant. North Africa was White for 30,000 years.
Take an interest in anthropology, especially genetics. 😉
😂😂😂
The viral nature of religion;
The following Christian groups appeared between the beginnings of the Christian religion to the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. Not all believed in the divinity of Jesus, each had their own holy scriptures or interpretations of holy writings, the Bible did not exist.
• Adamites
• Ebionites
• Elcesaites
• Marcionism
• Nazarenes
Unlike the previously mentioned groups, the following are all considered to be related to Christian Gnosticism.
• Bardaisanites
• Basilideans
• Carpocratianism
• Nicolaitans
• Sethianism
• Simonians (sometimes considered proto-Gnostic)
• Valentinianism
Medieval sects
The following are groups of Christians appearing between the First Council of Nicaea and the Protestant Reformation which are generally considered extinct as modern and distinct groups, many at the hands of the most dominant Christian cult, Roman Catholicism.
• Agonoclita
• Beguines and Beghards
• Bogomilism
• Bosnian Church
• Brethren of the Free Spirit
• Catharism
• Donatism
• Dulcinian
• Friends of God
• Patarines
Since medieval times there has been an explosion (a big Bang) of different sects, cults, orthodoxies and churches all claiming to be the true followers of Christ which of course includes the Apologetics movement as a distinct theocracy.
Jesus was simply a figure head, Modern Christianity is big business with a fantasy figure head.
mdac34 what a moronic thing to say I take it that you were there when your god went abracadabra and the universe came into view lmfao
@BTIsaac :D
@in777sight A Bronze Age Donald Trump?
The peer review saying that lazarus who was just risen from the dead wouldnt be able to run that fast hahahahahah ah hahahahah
looks like Lazarus ran in the first Paralympics
The United States . In 2019, Christians represent 65% of the total adult population, 43% identifying as Protestants, 20% as Catholics, and 2% as Mormons.
He would be considered a Zombie by today's standards.
Here's a game you can play with friends. Let the bible fall open and do what ever it says on the page. The last one to go to prison wins.
The first one to die wins? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18).
Very good.
The Gospels are in the genre of history, not myth. Carrier is not a New Testament scholar. Read "The Historical Reliability of the Gospels," by Blomberg; "The Historical Jesus," by Habermas.
The gospels illustrate the very _definition_ of myth.
Here, I will demonstrate so:
And because you apparently do not know the definition of 'myth', I will provide one with examples.
*myth* - noun *_dictionary.com_* (parenthetical examples mine)
1. Traditional (Christian) or legendary story (the crucifixion of Jesus), usually concerning some being (son of god) or hero (messiah) or event (resurrection), with or *_without_* a determinable basis of fact (evidence) or a natural explanation (supernatural), especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods (father, son, holy spirit) and explains some practice (prayer), rite (salvation), or phenomenon of (origin of species).
2. Stories or matter of this kind (raising of Lazarus, walking on water, calming a sea, betrayed by noble disciple for 30 pieces of silver).
3. Any _invented_ story (life of Jesus), idea (eternal life), or concept (salvation).
4. An _imaginary or fictitious_ thing (empty tomb) or person (Jesus)
5. An _unproved_ (unverified, unreilable, and unauthenticated gospel accounts) or false collective belief (faith) that is used to justify a social institution (church).
@riikerman So the bible says just believe what you're told and don;t think for yourself. How would you feel if you went to a doctor with suspected appendicitis and he just said "I don;t hold with all those tests and antibiotics and surgery, just trust in the wisdom of the LORD!"
So there is this god with an affinity for blood who's son rose from the dead and he hangs out with a holy ghost. Saw this episode with the vampire the zombie and the ghost on scooby doo. At least in the cartoon they always revealed it to be bullshit in the end. Keep expecting someone to say "Jinkies it's old man Smithers." ps. The Flintstones...also not a documentary
So, "darwinism" (whatever you believe it to be) influenced nazism? Wow...
First of all, how does a mere *explanation of nature's behaviour* tell anyone how they should run their lives?? You understand how "descriptive" and "prescriptive" are different things, right?
Second, *even* if you were right, so what? If a criminal ends up finding inspiration in the correct and valid work of a scientist, how does that make the scientist guilty or its work any less credible? Imagine we arrest a serial killer and, in court, we asked him *why* did he do it, just to have the raving lunatic answer that he got inspiration for his crimes in the theory of gravity!! Should we then "outlaw" gravity? Or perhaps hold gravity accountable as well (guilty by association)? Or should we just understand that crazies will be crazies?
My point is, *get real,* dude!! I know that it must suck having your pet beliefs smashed by *Science* but trying to make Science sound "guilty" somehow, just to get back at it, is dumb as shit!!! If you wanna point the finger at anyone for those millions of dead jews, point it at christianity, because it supported nazism from day one! Leave Science alone, because its goal is *saving* lives!
"Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches." Holocaust Encyclopedia www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
"A public appeal released by German Christian leaders claimed that 'the eternal God created for our nation a law that is peculiar to its own kind. It took shape in the Leader Adolf Hitler, and in the National Socialist state created by him. This law speaks to us from the history of our people...One Nation! One God! One Reich! One Church!'" Protestant Churches and the Nazi State, www.facinghistory.org/holocaust-and-human-behavior/chapter-5/protestant-churches-and-nazi-state
German Christians - "Their symbol was a traditional Christian cross with a swastika in the middle and the group's German initials "D" and "C". It was claimed and remembered, as a "fact", that the Jews had killed Christ, thus appealing to and actively encouraging existing anti-Semitic sentiment among Christians in Germany." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Christians
"Most Christians in Germany welcomed the rise of Nazism in 1933. They were also persuaded by the statement on “positive Christianity” in Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform." - Holocaust Encyclopedia, www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005206
It's very curious that every time I watch an atheist-themed video the ad that runs before it is invariably pro-Christian. Weird...
It's a plot by the Illuminati!
Not as weird as when, after the Bible is read, people search for any reason not to accept it, whether the reason is rational or not.
@@midwestDaniel Definitely rational. Likely because they have more than two brain cells.
The ad-makers know from the title or the name of the maker, if from nothing else, that the video debunks religion. They make arrangements with RUclips to run their paid ads, in an effort to counteract the video. (RUclips -- not the video maker -- controls the selection and placement of ads, and RUclips is not going to reject a chance to get money.)
@@midwestDaniel i mean the first chapter needs work...nobody really has to go looking far to see this
Try explaining this to a ledge headed Christian.
Remember anything that approaches cognite dissonance means that 'god is testing their faith'. Don't want to be on 'loves' naughty list... 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I've tried - it's a waste of time
@@haydenwalton2766its as hard as explaining how lgbt and blm is a jewish psyop to white democrats
I would respect you if you went out to help the sick and the needy than blab away about the validity of the gospels which you read like a newspaper or periodical and due to your pride receive no revealed truth. Because that road contains no room for your academic pride Man you are offering food for the millions of the non enlightened .
When history meets fiction,Humans will hold onto the promise of the myth that fiction produces.Reality and logic become blurred because it causes people to apply reason. The average christian or Muslim will tell you that logic and reason or not applicable to critique the written word of God or his anointed. lol.
Humans will diligently listen to a bias assessment disagreeing with the same thing they disagree with blinding themselves to the obvious bias contained within.
" I disagree with this this makes no sense."
Watching this is like watching a cookie commercial that simply says "which one would you rather have? This gross cookie? Or this decadently delicious cookie?"
Carrier was supposed to be smart, yet he makes idiotic mistakes. He claims the Gospels dont ever doubt anything- does he not know doubting Thomas or Matthew 28;17?
“Myth is more important than history. History is arbitrary, a collection of facts. Myth we choose, we create, we perpetuate. The story may not be correct but it transcends truth. It’s like religion - beyond facts. Myth trumps fact, always does, always has, always will.” -- From A Voyage Long and Strange by Tony Horwitz © 2008, quote from well-known minister, Peter Gomes.
@@sjdesign6575 Perhaps you're the one making the idiotic mistakes. How would the anonymous gospel authors, who don't even claim to be eyewitnesses, have known the story about 'doubting Thomas' was true? How about the claim that Jesus’ mother was impregnated by a god and gave birth as a virgin? Paul says nothing about this, nor do any of the 1st century epistle writers, nor do the anonymous authors of Mark or John. Only 2 of the 4 gospel authors make this claim, and how could they know? Did they witness God impregnating Jesus’ mother? Did they inspect pregnant Mary's vagina to confirm that her hymen was intact? Did they have her gynecological reports? 😉 😊 😋 You can't possibly know this, and THEY couldn't have known, and they don't even claim to be eyewitnesses of anything, and there is *ZERO* evidence for this claim. But we have *LOTS* of evidence for liars, right?
@UCe1Slh23ygrEcrB8leXsFkQ It is! Interesting to me that it came from a well-known and respected cleric. Apparently the fairytale is ok by him. I think he made a pretty good living from it, too..
When will the universities start teaching the myths of the Muslim faith and their Koran?
Maybe you can. Romans 10:15
Universities have been teaching about religions of the world and myths of the world since forever... Grade school too.
First of all it’s Quran not Koran. Sure, you’ll make the crap argument that you can spell it either way...... not hearing it. Second, don’t act like there is a love affair between the west and Islam.
It's called Religion 201
Relying on historical proof for this or that in, of all places, history, is a dubious proposition. It's fun to speculate if there ever was a Jesus or a Socrates...but that is all it is--fun. History is NOT science; it is more of an art form.
@01:15 ”if I seem kinda weird, it's uh...the DRUGS...hehehe”
even knowing the context, there had to be a better punch line. daamm.
The bible is a spiritual book, inspired by the Holy Spirit. If you apply your unbelief to the scriptures, they will not make sense.
@L M
Have not read it, but I believe you.
No, it is a book of ancient stories. A load of bull crap that people think has any truth in it, while it has none.
I don’t follow any religion, believe in an afterlife or reincarnation. That said, I can imagine being reincarnated in 2000 years time and finding a religion based on an ancient text that was found that reveres a boy Wizard living at a magical place called Hogwarts and it’s offensive to not believe it at face value.😊
I like that. That’s clever.
Around 25:00 there is a fascinating analysis of Ring Structure in the gospels - very worthwhile to watch.
Tiqqiya
The great historians of the time who were not Christians verify that Christ indeed existed: Josephus, Tacitus, etc. We also have the Pilate Stone dated 26 to 36 AD.
They don't. @@MrMortal_Ra
@@cranialtyrant Lol. So your telling me that confirmation with no express of criticism whatsoever from two of the most best and most reliable historians of the ancient world each one independently attestation to Jesus and his crucifixion under Pilate, isn’t evidence? What a fucking joke. You better have a good objection.
I agree with you. In any event, PHD's and other titles do not necessarily mean that one understands the spiritual realm, which supercedes the physical realm - 1 Cor. 2:14.
@@jskok3280 😂😂 How about you put that so called spiritual knowledge on a degree or academic paper.
@@MrMortal_Ra - No thanks. I am not interested to impress anyone. BUT we( a colleague and I) have written dozens of spiritual teachings, containing hundreds and hundreds of pages which are also available on video on you tube, etc, about inner healing and deliverance under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We give Jesus all the glory for it. Regards.
not only the gospels are myth. the old testament is myth.
selective preaching, promoted?
if we diminish christianity, then must diminish judaic even more.
we don't want to help build the New Great Izrael Kingdom. do we?
Now do the Qur'an! 😏
WRITTEN BY JESUITS AS WELL
That would be interesting. He'd be handed down with a fatwah and he would be fair game for any faitfhul moslem. Christians tend to turn the other cheek which makes them fair game for atheists and so-called freethinkers. Not so the moslems. So it would be interesting to see what would happen if this guy say about islam what he said about christianity.
Any word against the Qu'ran and you'll probably not live to give another expo. muslims are vengeful
@@benjulitocaturay4671 no he wouldn't. Only Muslims can be handed a fatwa. There are plenty of books with arguments debunking the quranThere are you tubers debunking the Quran check out 'Apostate prophet'
@@m783w lol I thing atheism gotta go..they bring nothing good
Why the one who taught everyone to love n forgive....cudnt forgive a tree??🤔
John MacArthur ... John, respectfully, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@John MacArthur it's a metaphor ... he's not actually talking to a tree or cursing it for not producing figs ...
It shows utter foolishness when you take metaphors for truth ... I'm just gonne give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were joking with that comment.
@Bran Evans Your comment towards John is quite wicked. God will choose his own. You have no right to say what John or Gods choice is or has been. You do not know until the day of judgement. In fact, you do not even know whether you are serving the god who is satan in disguise or the true god whom no one has seen yet. Therefore do not judge, you are not the judge.
@John MacArthur
"no one knows when to take the Bible literally and when to take it figuratively."
You are correct. The bible warns about this very fact (but no one actually takes it serious). That the false believers will turn everything upside down by the end. Spiritual and Physical are switched out. Now that you know this, it is easier to revert it back to the truth since all you need to do is find out what the common interpretation is and find the twist that makes it correct again.
I will now try to answer the question on the fig tree as best as I can.
Parable of The Fig Tree:
"Early in the morning, as Jesus was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, 'May you never bear fruit again!' Immediately the tree withered. When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. 'How did the fig tree wither so quickly?' they asked. Jesus replied, 'Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.'"
My answer:
Jesus was in Jerusalem the capitol of the Israelites, which is also supposed to be the spiritual city of god. Jesus is hungry, is he physically hungry? No he is hungry for the truth and the fruit of the spirit that is supposed to reside within Jerusalem/Israel. But there is nothing there, it is a spiritual wasteland and therefore the tree (Israel) only has leaves and bears no fruit.
Will you let falsehoods and wrong belief stay within your heart that will not allow your soul and understanding to develop? Every false belief inside of your mind will not produce fruit but it will take up valuable space from which new trees could grow and produce fruit.
When you learn a new truth that changes your reality and abolishes the old falsehood. You cast away the falsehood and create space for new truth (new tree) and fruit (realizations of that truth) to develop. The very essence of science is to discard that which is false and allow new ideas to prosper. When you cast away the falsehoods, the tree (neural network, since they have a similar appearance in branching pattern as a tree) in your mind that upholds that belief instantly starts to wither away upon realization. The mountain (perceived obstacles and blockage of thought) that was preventing you from moving on will also be thrown into the sea and disappear allowing you to develop your mind and soul further, thus creating a new path towards truth and further understanding.
The Common Christian Narrative:
The explanation for this verse is that the fig tree (''only'') resembles Israel/Jerusalem and that Jesus declares that it should wither because the jews have fallen out of favor with god. All you need is faith and you can move mountains.
(Jerusalem is destroyed by the romans later and thus the (supposed) prophecy is made true.)
The truth (imho) is that both explanations that I gave are true but some only pay attention to the tree being israel and that being faithful till stupidity (somehow) pays off lmao.
You will notice clearly that (most of) the Christians who follow the common interpretation don't believe in science because they never understood the part about Jesus telling them that they themselves can do the same and tell the tree to wither inside of them so as to move mountains. They continue to feed a fruitless fig tree through sheer stubbornness of faith.
You may think I am stretching with my interpretation but I am quite serious. The reason I say this is because if you are advanced enough in meditation/prayer you can actually see your own neural network inside your mind. It's a skill you can develop if you learn to properly pray which is not taught in church. It is a skill which is actually quite hard to develop and cannot be easily explained just as it cannot be explained how you should move your limbs or breath for example. You simply do.
But when you do properly pray with your heart, a light will appear inside your inner mind that will guide you through your own mind and neural highways and allow you to reshape and correct yourself and eradicate falsehoods. This skill seems to have been neglected and common church prayer nowadays is just doing a little mantra and saying amen at the end. A fools ritual ...
Science and Spirituality are not in contradiction with each other. Those that perceive conflicts are the ones who are feeding fruitless fig trees and thinking if they just wait a little longer the fig tree will produce fruit again.
The reason Jesus did not answer these things directly in this parable is because the people who feed fruitless fig trees would obviously misinterpret the parable and avoid personal responsibility and just blame israel instead. Those that understand and realize the truth will see the parable with their own eyes and understand the greater meaning which was hidden on purpose and let the dead fig tree inside of them wither and see mountains move as their faith is reaffirmed and prospers.
The parables are intentionally obfuscated in such a manner that false believers will not find the correct answer and be hypocrites in their believes. Those that truly seek will continue searching and searching until they one day find the answer after hard work. The hard work that the false believers were not willing to put in.
I do not go to church or follow any church doctrine. I think church is cancer and a mind control system and therefore do not bother with all the thousands of ridiculous denominations or interpretations of fools. Church is literally a fruitless fig tree.
If you are looking for the truth in earnest and keep an open mind and heart. You will find the way. That is all that is asked of you in this life. Looking for the Truth is the same as looking for God but most importantly ... looking for the true you. It is always an ever going quest to find the Truth and your True Self, those that say they know, they don't know and those that say they don't know, they know more than those that say they do. For one is at least looking for new perspectives whereas the other is staring at the same dead spot the entire time waiting for magical fruit to appear.
If you are critical of the bible, that is the proper way of reading it my friend. Only fools read and believe instantly whatever they read. Let the fools be fools but let your own imagination speak to you and guide you so as to allow all possible interpretations no matter how crazy they may be enter into your mind and you will find new paths and new ways to develop your soul and ultimately the truth will open up and you will taste the fruit of your labor.
You must first throw away of what you think a christian is or what faith even means since it is clearly based on something rigged (and false natured) that you have seen around you and come to accept as real. Stop feeding that tree. That is not what faith truly is. Faith is like following a path knowing that if you keep on the path you will find the destination you were heading for in your heart. It's a trail of bread crumbs that will eventually lead to the river of life from which you will drink and understand.
Hope this helped a little bit.
Plz take care friend.
@John MacArthur I see and I completely understand that perspective as one who held it as well at one time.
I wish I could show you what I could see so you would understand but alas I cannot, you can hopefully trust my word as a fellow human to human who wishes nothing more than to share truth with another. Not faith, but truth my friend. Like telling you that your tail light is broken. I will tell you when it is functioning instead.
The (active) Holy Spirit is a real thing, it's not a mystical thing and many people claim to have it when they do not. They just pretend that they do. It's rather simple to know whether you have it active or not. It's a light that shines inside your mind when you close your eyes or heck even when you don't close them. It's literally (and NOT figuratively) a light that shines within. Many Christians claim they have the holy spirit but they don't even know what it really is or how it looks like.
So what is it really? I will tell you. It's a piece of the original source fractal that generates and sustains our universe and our souls, it is the soul itself in practice.
Fractals are these weird mathematical multi-dimensional oddities that are both subject and object, infinite and finite. It's math in its most beautiful and living form and you should try to look them up if you are interested in them scientifically. It is truly fascinating and yet barely comprehensible.
Jesus could not speak about fractals or the truth of our reality because many of these words did not exist in his time. That is why parables and objects with similar appearance are used throughout time and faiths from all over the world to resemble these incomprehensible concepts so as to approach the truth in a understandable way.
You will know when you have found the truth when the light shines within you my friend.
Similarly in many ways I have not changed my beliefs since I was an atheist because my faith was never contingent on fairy tales but built on broadening science and spirituality until it fitted neatly and properly. I simply expanded my understanding and definitions of words to be more broad and encompassing loosening the restrains on my mind and thinking freely. When you broaden your perspective, you will see that you've been looking with one eye closed for the truth.
People of faith are blind in that they lack scientific understanding and cannot apply their faith to science and thus reject it with stubborn conviction that lacks truth.
People of science are blind in that they fail to broaden their understanding of scripture and fail to realize spirituality is the application of science in a broader human context and thus they firmly reject faith thinking it lacks meaning.
Find the middle path that combines both.
I wish you well and thank you for reading and considering my words.
I will forever be grateful to my parents for bringing me up without all that nonsense
Richard Carrier is not a New Testament scholar, and he contradicts mainstream NT scholarship. You'll get the truth and facts on Gary Habermas and Mike Licona's channels
still trying to forgive mine for brainwashing me
I was never raised up on this. I read and accepted the Gospels as true as an adult.
@@kevinstreeter6943So have you now realized what a pile of CRAP your religion is?
As i curse my grandparents grandparents for the religious deception they fell for and passed on
*1 Corinthians 15:1-4* - I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, ... by which also you are saved, ... that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and ... was buried, and ... rose again the third day…
*Romans 10:6-13* - ... if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
*John **3:36* - He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
*Revelations **20:15* - …anyone not found written in the Book of Life [will be] cast into the lake of fire. Anyone found in the book of life will "not hurt of the second death" (Revelation 2:11)
*Mark **1:15* - The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.
"The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove." yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof So let me know when you find some evidence to support absurd claims about an *INVISIBLE MAGIC SKY GENIE* , or that Jesus was a *VIRGIN-BORN DEMIGOD WITH SUPERPOWERS* and that his *ROTTING CORPSE MAGICALLY RETURNED FROM THE DEAD* before levitating bodily into outer space, or evidence for the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, etc.
In defense I'd snitch for a grand
It’s the Christian way
@@yoso585 snitch
Shiiit I dunno if this was genuinely the son of God and I saw the miracles for myself I'd back Jesus 100%
"Do not put me to the test" said the liar to the fool. Liars hate to have their claims tested...because they know they will fail. They have to get people to trust them on faith for their lie to hold up!
What's your favorite Jesus fairy tale? Mine is the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE! "The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people" (Matthew 27:52-53) Whaaaa??? Many people resurrect, come out of the tombs, and go into Jerusalem to be seen by many people?!! This would've been the GREATEST NEWS STORY IN HUMAN HISTORY! That is...if it happened. Amazingly, no historian of the time mentions this, nor does any other gospel account. It's almost as if this story was just made up by the anonymous author of Matthew...who was a proven liar! 😛 LOL!
You’ve got it wrong.
We began [with the Enlightenment] to think that ancient peoples (those "other" peoples) told dumb, literal stories that we were now smart enough to recognize as such.
Not quite.
Those ancient people told smart, metaphorical stories that we were now dumb enough to take literally.
@@aikido7 Dr. John Dominic Crossan, professor of Religion at DePaul University, “My point, once again, is not that those ancient people told literal stories and we are now smart enough to take them symbolically, but that they told them symbolically and we are now dumb enough to take them literally.” www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/43692.John_Dominic_Crossan
I’m kinda sad we have to have these lectures pointing out that, no, it isn’t true Jesus did all these crazy magic stuff because crazy magic stuff isn’t real. Like half this lecture wouldn’t be necessary if people had more faith in basic common sense than their indoctrination.
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*Hahahahaha, the letter “J” is not in the Hebrew alphabet.*
*No Jew who ever walked this earth ever heard the name “Jehovah” in their life.*
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@@realitycheck3672 : Only Jewish tribe is preserved from the ancient world. There is no trace of any other tribe with designated country and language. Its due to their trust in the living God, "I AM WHO I AM. " They are still a formidable force to be reckoned with. You are mocking on your own foolishness.
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We know the bible is true because it accurately describes historical events such as *the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE* in Jerusalem! "The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people" (Matthew 27:52-53).
And we know this really happened because the other gospel writers confirm it! Oh, my bad, no one else mentions it. But other historians of the time confirm it! Oh, my bad, there's no record of this anywhere. But it's not like the other gospel writers or any pagan historians would've noticed *HORDES OF WALKING DEAD PEOPLE* !!! It's not like this would've been the *GREATEST NEWS STORY IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY* or anything. We know that an anonymous religious fanatic writing 60 years after the supposed events wouldn't lie about a story like this. In your face, unbelievers!
+rod of discipline, My spin on life is that drinking deadly poison just because some liar told you that Jesus said so is a good way to end yours sooner: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service"
www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
+Dd S, I get this all the time. Christians complain that science debunks their absurd book of ancient fables, and they say, "Well what's your alternative offer to eternal life in another dimension?" They want to be sold lies, apparently, told how to think, get their purpose in life from a book from another hairless ape who knows no more about it then they do, etc. Some people don't seem to understand that "I don't know" is honest and can be wise...as opposed to someone who pretends to know something they don't, or is ignorant of the fact that they don't know.
Socrates (470-399 BCE), considered the wisest man in the world, said, "I went and tried to explain to him that he thought himself wise, but was not really wise; and the consequence was that he hated me...So I left him, saying to myself, as I went away: Well, although I do not suppose that either of us knows anything really beautiful and good, I am better off than he is - for he knows nothing, and thinks that he knows. I neither know nor think that I know. In this latter particular, then, I seem to have slightly the advantage of him." classics.mit.edu/Plato/apology.html
It doesn't take much intelligence to critique absurd claims. Why would you leap to that insult? Maybe you are a blind believer? Maybe you are really dumb? Enlighten us please.
+Dd S, Well said. I believed all this crap too and was raised as a Christian fundamentalist. But I was the victim of a scam. I only had one side of the argument and was ignorant of the actual facts. Then I felt stupid for not noticing the obvious a lot earlier. But I didn't have any critical thinking skills or tools to sort out truth from fiction.
At 9:30 you claim The disciples follow Jesus with no reason. Did you read Luke? Why would you misrepresent what the gospels say like this. For those curious here is what is what causes them to follow him, and they even express amazement; “On one occasion, while the crowd was pressing in on him to hear the word of God, he was standing by the lake of Gennesaret, and he saw two boats by the lake, but the fishermen had gone out of them and were washing their nets. Getting into one of the boats, which was Simon’s, he asked him to put out a little from the land. And he sat down and taught the people from the boat. And when he had finished speaking, he said to Simon, “Put out into the deep and let down your nets for a catch.” And Simon answered, “Master, we toiled all night and took nothing! But at your word I will let down the nets.” And when they had done this, they enclosed a large number of fish, and their nets were breaking. They signaled to their partners in the other boat to come and help them. And they came and filled both the boats, so that they began to sink. But when Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus’ knees, saying, “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.” For he and all who were with him were astonished at the catch of fish that they had taken, and so also were James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, “Do not be afraid; from now on you will be catching men.” And when they had brought their boats to land, they left everything and followed him.”
Luke 5:1-11 ESV
Mark tells a very different story. He says that Jesus just went up to Peter and Andrew one day and simply said "follow me, and I will make you fishers of men", and "at once" they left their stuff and followed him (see Mark 1:16-18). Luke clearly made up the other stuff up as an elaboration of Mark's story.
@@legron121 Clearly Mark not including what caused them to follow him is irrelevant. Mark clearly just chose not to include it and focused on other things. Now if you think Luke made up his details, did Mark? And why, why make this stuff up if you are persecuted for the lie you know is a lie?
@@Ironsharpensiron89
Mark says that, _as_ Jesus was walking by the sea of Galilee, he saw them and said "come, follow me, and I will make you fishers of men", and _immediately_ they left their nets and followed. There is no room to fit everything in Luke into this story. It require mental gymnastics.
Luke's story is his own creation, a reification of the parable attributed to Jesus in Mt. 13:47-48. It is a symbolic story. John used the same story structure in John 21:3-11.
I don't think Mark is telling lies. He is telling parables, with Jesus cast as the central character, to articulate the meaning of the gospel. Carrier discusses the fig tree episode in this video as a good example of this.
@@legron121 there's a Hebrew to English translation of book of Matthew, and in ch 4 says"9 He said to them come after me and I will make you fish for men.
20 So they left their nets in that hour and went after him." "In that hour..."
@@the90schildmashups92
The Gospel According to Matthew was not written in Hebrew. It was written in Greek (we know this because it _quotes_ from Greek sources verbatim, e.g. Mark and the Septuagint).
If it's myth then it never happened. I'm fine with that.
Why is the most important message in the history of humanity conveyed in such a sloppy way? XD. The Bible is already a fkn mess and hearing how the gospels are equally dubious... I'm sorry, I just can't believe I was once a catholic.
100% agree.
I was catholic too. Richard Carrier helped me so much with this video and other videos. It's sad I was a traditional catholic who went to latin mass and truly thought jesus was in the bread and wine. I'm so embarrassed
What's your favorite Jesus fairy tale? Mine is the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE! "The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people" (Matthew 27:52-53) Whaaaa??? Many people resurrect, come out of the tombs, and go into Jerusalem to be seen by many people?!! This would've been the GREATEST NEWS STORY IN HUMAN HISTORY! That is...if it happened. Amazingly, no historian of the time mentions this, nor does any other gospel account. It's almost as if this story was just made up by the anonymous author of Matthew...who was a proven liar! 😛 LOL!
@Jubei Yang There's a very reasonable explanation: a liar lied.
If Yeshua Ben Yussef were to appear in a time machine and look at what had been said, written and (the atrocities) done in his name, he'd weep. The Jesus of legend is nothing like the man who lived 2,000 years ago, I'm sure. He was supposed to be born of the line of David, the Jewish Messiah ('anointed one') and fulfill the Old Testament prophesies by overthrowing their oppressors (the Romans) and lead them to the promised land. The Jews wanted a Messiah - what they got was a competing church led by the Roman Saul...
To be fair, Christianity / Paulianity is no different from any other religion; they're systems of control. It's hard to break out of a prison that you have willingly put yourself into and pay tithes toward. Alas, I cannot fool myself into thinking that a reward will come after I die (following good, subservient, behaviour of course).
@@peterscottmorgan1 You're assuming that the gospel fairy tales about a virgin-born demigod zombie are based on a real person and aren't just myths, like with Hercules, Perseus, Dionysus, etc---who were also demigods with superpowers who were resurrected from the dead.
peterscottmorgan1 if I were to paint a bullseye on my forehead and run to Rome to become their new target, then you should consider yourself saved. The fact that I had to send a mercenary would be coincidental to your salvation, and pedantic decorum.
Where we can check (and this is the key that the critics ALWAYS forget--even after I have told them that they will forget, they do it!), the Bible has ALWAYS been found to be correct. And the critics of the Bible have ALWAYS been found to be wrong. The thing to note is that the critics are ALWAYS wrong. They claim to be smarter than the ignorant goat-herders who wrote the Bible (none of the writers of the Bible were goat-herders so they are wrong on that claim) and we certainly have more knowledge today than they did way back then. But, it is ALWAYS the critics who are found to be wrong--now why is that? Shouldn't they have been right at least 50% of the time? If the critics of the Bible were so much smarter than the writers of the Bible, we should think that they'd be ALWAYS right. Instead we we find that they are ALWAYS wrong. If you knew that a weather forecaster was ALWAYS wrong, how much longer would he/she be on the air? We have the joke that you can tell when a politician is lying--their lips are moving. Given the cont'd failure of the Bible critics to get even ONE, just one(!), thing right, I would suggest that the joke applies to them as well.
Two concrete examples will suffice:
1) When Herodotus (c. 484 BC - c. 425 BC) wrote ab't the fall of Babylon, he could not tell you who was in charge of the city (all sort of other alleged details tho'! See www.livius.org/articles/person/darius-the-great/sources/capture-of-babylon-herodotus/). Likewise, Xenophon, (born c. 430 bce, Attica, Greece-died shortly before 350, Attica), (see www.cyropaedia.org/2013/12/09/xenophons-cyropaedia-and-persian-oral-history-part-two/). Yet Daniel, which is supposed to have been written 3 centuries later, could tell us!
2) [LOTS OF EXAMPLES IN THE BOOK!] faithsaves.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Ancient-Orient-and-Old-Testament-Kenneth-Kitchen.pdf, see PDF page 30, "the price of twenty shekels of silver paid for Joseph in Genesis 37:28 is the correct average price for a slave in about the [page 54] eighteenth century BC:94 earlier than this, slaves were cheaper (average, ten to fifteen shekels), and later they became steadily dearer.95" and then on PDF page 33 "The total evidence, therefore, accords very well with a date for the Patriarchs in the twentieth to eighteenth centuries BC, and shows a reasonable degree of consistency when properly interpreted.105"
All this means,
1) the books could NOT have been written as late as is claimed, because the correct knowledge would have been lost.
2) when the critics err so often on the simple stuff, why should anyone trust them on the more complex issues? The same lack of research and lousy hermeneutics that CREATED the simple errors are magnified on the more complex.
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The Gospels and Acts look like old fan fiction.
Yes. Acts presents Simon Peter facing off against another Simon who is magical wizard, and then also presents Paul as doing miracles, getting shipped recked going around preaching to multiple people from different islands. All of acts is not what Pau did in his epistles and is not what Peter did.
Mythology: a primitive people's beliefs concerning its origin, early history, heroes, deities and so forth, as distinguished from the true accounts which it invents later.
the cursing of the fig tree is the first story that built a doubt in my head while i was reading the bible in my younger years.
@@bulbul6011 so....?????
@@bulbul6011 Yr reply is not fitting to the comment. He said something about the tree and you reply with some statistic what have nothing to the with the comment
@@fullmoon5799 “Fools will believe anything” (Prov. 14:15, New Century Version). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). Go ahead! You believe what some anonymous ancient scribes claim that Jesus said, right? What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" - 2 Drink Strychnine At Service and Die In Display of Faith, New York Times. It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that THE BIBLE IS FULL OF LIES, even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
It is supposed to be a metaphor because He is going to curse at you for not accepting them, even though they are not ready to accept him. Yeah it still doesn’t make sense even as a metaphor it seems to make him a “might makes right” helpless bully.
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"Why the Gospels are Myth"
because no evidence to prove any miracle described in the gospels actually happened. Until such evidence can be presented, the gospels can be filed with the Greek, Roman, Norse, Egyptian, Aztec, etc mythological tales.
@John Bergeron Ron Wyatt was a nurse anesthetist. He had no training or expertise in archaeology.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Wyatt
Wyatt was not considered credible by professional archaeologists and biblical scholars. The Garden Tomb Association of Jerusalem state in a letter they issue to visitors on request:
The Council of the Garden Tomb Association (London) totally refute the claim of Wyatt to have discovered the original Ark of the Covenant or any other biblical artifacts within the boundaries of the area known as the Garden Tomb Jerusalem. Though Wyatt was allowed to dig within this privately owned garden on a number of occasions (the last occasion being the summer of 1991) staff members of the Association observed his progress and entered his excavated shaft. As far as we are aware nothing was ever discovered to support his claims nor have we seen any evidence of biblical artifacts or temple treasures.
Archaeologist Joe Zias of Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) has stated that "Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. ... [His claims] fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun etc."
Wyatt's official organization, Wyatt Archaeological Research (WAR), claims that the IAA have always been aware of the excavations and issued "verbal permits" for most of them and official permits to all WAR excavations since 2002. Nevertheless, the only evidence of WAR involvement in a legitimate excavation sanctioned by the IAA relates to WAR part-funding of a 2005 dig.
Evangelicals have also been critical of Wyatt's claims: Answers in Genesis called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent", and David Merling, a Seventh-day Adventist professor of archaeology addressed the issues of Wyatt's Noah's Ark and anchor stones with the following:
While the Durupinar site is about the right length for Noah's ark, [it is] ... too wide to be Noah's ark. Wyatt has claimed that the "boat-shapedness" of this formation can only be explained by its being Noah's ark, but both Shea and Morris have offered other plausible explanations. Likewise, Wyatt has argued that the standing stones he has found are anchors, while Terian is aware of similar stones outside the Durupinar site area that were pagan cultic stones later converted by Christians for Christian purposes.
www.christiancourier.com/articles/1511-ron-wyatt-the-indiana-jones-of-the-sda-church
For the last twenty-two years of his life, he made numerous trips to the Middle East. The claims associated with his “discoveries” would make Harrison Ford’s Indiana Jones pale into oblivion.
Yet more than two decades after his death, the ongoing boasts of his unparalleled “finds” are heralded via the Wyatt Archaeological Research website and the various competing factions that publicize his exploits.
Ron Wyatt Exposed
His work has been debunked thoroughly by professional archaeologists and respected biblical scholars.
On August 8, 1996, Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology with the Israel Antiquities Authority (Jerusalem), issued the following statement:
“Mr. Ron Wyatt is neither an archaeologist nor has he ever carried out a legally licensed excavation in Israel or Jerusalem. In order to excavate one must have at least a BA in archaeology which he does not possess despite his claims to the contrary. We are aware of his claims which border on the absurd as they have no scientific basis whatsoever nor have they ever been published in a professional journal. They fall into the category of trash which one finds in tabloids such as the National Enquirer, Sun, etc. It’s amazing that anyone would believe them...” (www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Zias.html).
Wyatt’s religious affiliation was with the Seventh-day Adventist sect. Ironically, the most thorough exposé of the gentleman’s claims was produced by two scholars of his own denomination - Russell R. and Colin D. Standish.
The Standish brothers were identical twins from New South Wales, Australia. Russell (who died in 2008) was a physician, hospital administrator, and a medical missionary. Colin is the founder and president of Hartland College in Virginia.
Both were ordained as ministers in the conservative branch of SDA church. They have been prolific writers, co-authoring numerous books, among which is Holy Relics or Revelation - Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated (hereafter designated as HRR).
@John Bergeron Even Christians don't accept Ron Wyatt. I wouldn't consider him to be reliable.
Evolution, base on probabilities, is a miracle.
To be fair to you, Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot agree with you. Enjoy the company you keep.....
@@Goodkidjr43 "Evolution, base on probabilities, is a miracle."
Nope. A miracle is defined as " an extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs".
And evolution is not based on probabilities. It is based on natural selection.
"Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot agree with you."
Those people have not killed nearly as many people as the Bible claims god killed or ordered killed.
@@Goodkidjr43
"Religious apologists, particularly those of the Christian variety, are big fans of what I have dubbed, the atheist atrocities fallacy. Christians commonly employ this fallacy to shield their egos from the harsh reality of the brutality of their own religion, by utilizing a most absurd form of the tu quoque (“you too”) fallacy, mingled with numerous other logical fallacies and historical inaccuracies. Despite the fact that the atheist atrocities fallacy has already been thoroughly exposed by Hitchens and other great thinkers, it continues to circulate amongst the desperate believers of a religion in its death throes. Should an atheist present a believer with the crimes committed by the Holy See of the Inquisition(s), the Crusaders and other faith-wielding misanthropes, they will often hear the reply; “Well, what about Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler? They were atheists, and they killed millions!”"
The Atheist Atrocities Fallacy - Hitler, Stalin & Pol Pot - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)
www.google.com.au/amp/s/michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/amp/
If the history of Christ is a myth,. Why are people like this continually making books, and conferences. No one does this about Zeus,. Apollo, Neptune, Mars, Cupid, or Peter Pan.
Because we live in a Christian culture that celebrates the supposed birthday of Jesus each year and bases their calendar around his supposed birth year.
Because the Christians are in power and everyone believes in Christ
@@mythbuster1483 You, as typical of most educated people, obfuscate the obvious. WHY is there a Christian Culture in the first place? Why is Christ celebrated? You, like the professor in the clip, avoid and do not address the obvious. Sad...............
@@Goodkidjr43 You're strangely spending a lot of time making RUclips comments to defend a fictional holy book that promises "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "whatever you ask of the Father in my name, he will give it to you" (John 16:23), "whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours" (Mark 11:24). If any of that were true, you'd simply upload a miracle video showing you regrowing the missing limb of an amputee.
The fact that you're limited to making pathetic RUclips comments *PROVES* that your stupid holy book is a bunch of lies by liars. Great job!
@@Goodkidjr43 "The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove." yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof So let me know when you find some evidence to support absurd claims about an *INVISIBLE MAGIC SKY GENIE* , or that Jesus was a *VIRGIN-BORN DEMIGOD WITH SUPERPOWERS* and that his *ROTTING CORPSE MAGICALLY RETURNED FROM THE DEAD* before levitating bodily into outer space, or evidence for the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, etc. LOL!
The Bible is a how to book on grifting.
You really have no idea what you're talking about. Ignore all factual information about the Bible, its books, its history, its writers, and its contents, then one will become you.
Lol yes, grifting is the perfect word for it 👍
Cannon was invented to discreet anything that wasn't included in the Bible (Coptic, orthodox, catholic or KJ).
Yousef Ibrahim
_You_ really have no idea what you’re talking about.
Came across a website called - doesgodexistandbeyond.com/manuscriptevidenceofthebiblepages/ looks at Biblical Manuscript History with Reason and Logic using Primary Evidences / Sources. And has other topics with information not well known. Worth a Read.
The retroactive fan fiction of the New Testament is clever from a literary standpoint. Sort of how Back to the Future 2 used the events from the first film to expound the overall story arch. Good stuff Richard!
The Harry Potter version is way better. No one has to worship the genocidal maniac or suffer for eternity.
What was a herd of 2000 pigs doing in a country where pork is taboo?
Been asking that question for 45 years.
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@@jdlotus8253 : Where were those pigs, in Israel or the outskirts of Israel? Do you need 45 years to figure out this? Your ignorance is shown here.
@@rajiphilips5937 I think YOUR ignorance is shown here, alongside the revelation that you are possessed by hatred of others. Your comment isn't even relevant to the discussion.
@@jdlotus8253 : When some people do not know how to defend their argument, they speak exactly like you. So, run baby run! Instead of shooting like a blind, open your eyes and get some sense.
Proving the Gospels are works of dramatized fiction doesn’t take a Phd in whatever he has one in. What takes real erudition and learning is to explain the true origin of these documents, the internal structure of the narrative, the motivations for their production, and how and in what way they have been altered by later generations in ways that reflect their peculiar cultural bias. His lecture is frankly on a sophomoric level in terms of originality and organization. No kudos to Dr. Carrier for this tedious hit job. Seriously boring.
People keep believing fairytales 🤣🤣
America is just amazing man
...and Africa, and the Middle Easterners, and the Orthodox in Greece and throughout Asia. The Japanese have their Shinto. The Indian subcontinent has its Hindu gods and goddesses. Credulity is a worldwide phenomenon.
@@jamesolsson9705 True dude
If God is a fairy tale, so is the notion of Good and Evil. When we discovered this, it freed us to be ourselves.
Sincerely.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot...
@@Goodkidjr43 😂🤣🤣 So the inquisition. The totalitarian regimes were more close to being a religion than anything else; they just repeated the formula of the “leader” and their servant.
The concept of good an bad is so relevant in all those religious sects that have sex with little ladies right? Or maybe in the Vatican where they undercover the crimes against childs. Or maybe in Middle East where they kill people in name of “Allah”, and kill their wife because they were “unfaithful”; the same place where you cannot be of other “religion”. That’s a really good distinction between “good” an “bad”. It’s all about power, idiot; that’s why we should keep an eye on the “leaders”.
Plato was the first idealist to “imagine” that some people should be “inferiors”; and the same to estipulate the “good” and “bad” formula, doesn’t that bring you an idea?
Keep believing that religions want you to be good 🤣🤣.
Keep making ad hominem fallacies; maybe you should try fighting ideas.
America? Its the majority of the planet
If a God needed to send Jesus here it would have did it in modern times if technology with smartphones and television where we all can have video evidence of the son of God.
Jesus was a proven liar and false prophet who tricked gullible believers into killing themselves: "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
Actually that would be the dumbest possible idea because people would just say it's CGI. There are a million other reasons why this simply wouldn't work:
ruclips.net/video/rdvSGI84ByA/видео.html
@@mythbuster1483 That is a. If you are an apostle, b. if you are poisoned in an assassination attempt. Poisoning yourself is nothing but abject stupidity and stupidity will not be rewarded.
I AM the returned Christ & Albert Einstein reincarnated; see 7seals.blogspot.com . I've fulfilled the prophecy of Rev 5:1 by producing the "book/scroll sealed with 7 seals" revealed as 'Beyond Einstein Theories'; see 7seals.yuku.com . This has triggered The Apocalypse/Revelation which is NOT the 'end of the world'. COVID-19 is part of Seal #4: S=19 (18.6) Theory.
SATAN NEVER SLEEPS!
Deluded fanatics still believe in Satan in the 21st century? Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." www.huffpost.com/entry/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_840301
@John Texas You said, "giants and 900 year old men can scientifically be possible". Do you know what else is scientifically possible---liars making false claims. We have *LOTS* of evidence that liars exist and are common, and we have *ZERO* evidence for 900-year-old men, or virgin-born demigods with superpowers, etc. So the most likely explanation for absurd supernatural claims is that liars lied. Learn some critical thinking skills.
I mean yeah it's hard to sleep when you don't exist 😎😎😎😎😎
Carl Jung tryed to understand and explain christianism, and in the end, he said it is impossible, which means, christianism is a mess.
Completely takes the Gospels and the entire Bible out of context and made many false statements.
Jesus taught to love your neighbor, unless your neighbor worships differently, in which case you need to murder him: "If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, 'Let us go and worship other gods'...Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people." (Deut. 13:6-9)
How were the Gospels taken out of context? How did he take the entire Bible out of context? What false statements?
His study of the text seems much more in context than almost the entirety of the congregation's study of the text.
I think someone has a case of Stockholm syndrome!😅😅😅!!
Holy Ghost Buster,thank you very much that you like my comments yeah! etc.thats all...
Thanks for bringing up the killing of a fig tree along with the thousand swine. I always found the story of the fig tree to be perhaps the most bizarre after the walking on water.
You never given thought that none of the events are dated?
As a child I was introduced to God before the bible stories.
*I believe that made it easier not to believe the bible STORIES!*
The definition of story is a lie, fable, imaginary.
I'm talking 8 years old at this time, but I Kept Searching For God!
*What I Was Taught, I Had To Seek God Out For Myself!*
I never found him.
I did find that All churches are telling lies of what the bible says Even If Was True Facts.
The Moral Of The Bible Says TO WORSHIP GOD PRIVATELY IN YOUR OWN HOME.
Don't Seek Knowledge Of God From Holy People.
YOU HAVE COPIES OF THE SCRIPTURES, Why do you need someone to read them to you?
Yeah, sounds like even Jesus could be a real jerk on some days. Poor fig tree was just doing its best, what it was created by God to do. Maybe Jesus had some daddy issues.
I don't really give a fig about the tree, unlike those poor pigs. :-(
..... As for the 'walking on water' ability .... the illusion of it may be possible by using a tight rope under the water ..... it surprises me that no-one has ever attempted to re-created it ..... xx
Tight rope! Love it😆
The Jews are fighting their neighbors just as they did back then, but better. Christians control the most powerful and prosperous parts of the world,although we are careful to separate church and state. If you read the bible all. the way through, you can see the parts that are true and the made up parts.
Jesus is so much like Hercules. The Histories by Herodotus and Themesticleys,are so well written, there is only one short sentence where very tall beautiful girl appears, other than that ,everything at least sounds factual .
God and his son Jesus had a few serious anger issues. While god got pissed and supposedly drowned everyone, his kid, drowned some pigs, ruined a perfectly good fig tree, caused havoc in a market place.
Malach 4:5 and revelation 10:7 is being fulfilled from this same book, so is it myth? Defeating the purpose, killing oneself by going against bluntly, Christians are not fools, but foolish people made wise and worlds are wise people made foolish.
@@srinivaspillai4622 Regarding the fictional book of Revelation, why should I believe any of the absurd nonsense in it, written by some delusional psycho who claims that Jesus is a red-eyed mutant with a white afro and sword hanging out of his mouth? "His head and hairs were white like wool...and his eyes were as a flame of fire...and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword" (Rev 1:15-16). Wow, is that what Jesus really looked like? Sounds like the guy was high on mushrooms, or mentally ill...or just a liar. I have *LOTS* of evidence for liars, crazy people, and drug addicts, but *ZERO* for *RED EYED MUTANT FREAKS WITH WHITE AFROS AND SWORDS HANGING OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS* . Right? In Rev. 22:7, Jesus supposedly says, "Look, I am coming soon!" 2000 years later and...nothing, which is just what we'd expect from a fiction book!
He says that the gospels were written in sophisticated Greek which is not true. The versions of the gospels we have are in koinè, pidgin Greek. I know, because we had to read them in school. Our teacher brought it in as a bit of light reading after we had done The Defence of Socrates by Plato. That is actually in Athenian Greek and it was v v difficult. The teacher thought we deserved a bit of relief after that and it was. Koinè is so simple, compared to Plato, that we could read it as we read the newspaper.
liar
Minor point I know but the stories of Jesus flying with the Devil and being fed by magical animals are not in the ‘official’ gospels.
It is not a minor point. It is sloppy scholarship like this that enables his false narrative to exist. A cursory examination of his claims reveal how ignorant they are. Roughly 80% of his presentation is made up of logical fallacies. He presents nothing new, and nothing that hasn't already been refuted. This was a complete waste of my time!
@@10188212 his work is peer-reviewed, dude. it would not have passed if it were 80% fallacy.
@@neocyte85 I too can have my peers rubber stamp crap I wrote. Peer review means you found a few people to say you did your research right. Academic journals have published fraudulent articles simply because peer review isn't the rigorous fact-check people often think it is.
And who decides what is official gospel, and what not?
The only reason the gospels that are in the bible are actually there, is because those are the ones the catholic church, aka humans, put in there.
I recently read the entire Bible. Most of the books of the old testament are written in almost the same way and it is meant to form a religion, a nation and give that nation land. The first four books of the New Testament repeat each other almost word for word with some exceptions and it is written to form another new religion based on the premise that Christ was God-like and he provides eternal bliss in heaven. It's based on miracles much more than the Old Testament. My impression was that the new testament was intended to dazzle and amaze people with more wondrous miracles them the Old Testament to attract as many adherents as possible. Some of it repeats the old testament, as this scholar points out.
Having a literal mind is a curse or old age
Amazing isn't it, the Word of God reveals this type of nonsense this guy spews. Like people will believe him. These texts have something this poor fella doesn't know about that prove they are from God. But this young man doesn't have a clue. Poor guy!
@macsporan look up the Greek definition for Logos. Now read the Bible and every time you hear "word" as in "this is God's word, understand they mean God's logic. Christianity is literally the foundation for Western society. You might not like it, but you wouldn't even have a computer to write your dumbass comments on without it and that's a fact. Read a history book, we'd still be sacrificing each other to some other God without it
@@taylormajors5677 - _"Christianity is literally the foundation for Western society,"_ you say? Well, you might be right. After all, the U.S. - for example - *_is_* one of the most blood thirsty, murderous societies... with a deep history of slavery, rape and incest (and now that we have automatic weapons: add mass shootings and mass murders to the list). *JUST LIKE THE BIBLE!*
@@taylormajors5677 - OH! NOW IT MAKES SENSE!!... You changed _"word"_ to _"logic"_ - well that changes everything!!! You should seriously consider looking up the Greek definition for _psychiatrist._ Then every time you hear "school" - as in _"this is a school"_ - understand that you need to *go inside of it.* Education is literally the foundation for rational thinking.
what's the proof? Show it to me!
@@insAneTunA Read it Guy? It foretells the Age your living in! It reveals the Age of Noah, it reveals everything that has happened to Israel and which will happen there, it reveals the third world war coming, it reveals who will fight in that war! Twenty five hundred years ago, Ezekiel predisted Russia's return to power...in his chapters 38 and 39 his prophecy predicts and literally describes the invasion of the Land of Israel by Russia and a coalition of Islamic nation's. I can't write here a book for you but God gave to this particular prophet (and others besides like Daniel) the most detailed prophecy concerning that war in the entires Scriptures. And he even gave the list of names: Got and the rest of the names, Magog, Rosh, Meshach, Tubal, Persia Ethiopia, Libya, Gomer, Togarmah... Do you know who they are? Have you studied these names and found out? Read Daniel 11:5--35! What I have just shown you meshes perfectly with Daniel's in revealing and saying the invading Armies will come to attack Israel "from the far North" ( Ezekiel 38:6, 15). Magog is all the "-stans" Kasakhstan, Kyrgystan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, All together 60 million strong. Meshach and tubal Moscow and Tobolsk troops with modern day Turkeys. Persia iran 70 million strong at least. Ethiopia is modern day country of Sudan one of Israel fiercest enemies. Libya who is being armed now. Gomar which is a massive tank supplier called Germany whom has thousands of modern aleopard tanks. Togarmah --a European coalition of the chief Russian allies. Listen, when God gave these predictions thousands of years ago, this revived European coalition didn't even exist. Today it looks on the horizon and it is gonna come. When Russia is ready to move against Israel, it will come in from six directions and have it's allies (the Muslim and Arab states in the near East and almost all of the nation's in the former Soviet Bloc with them. That is just one of the messages, the THE INVASION OF ISRAEL. And as your seeing this. Moving closer and closer, you call God's Word not real.. I suggest you find a church and get in it and learn why the Bible reveals such things because that 200 million man Army is going to come and America will suffer hits as one of the " Coastal Towns"
In a theocracy where pork is considered unclean, where does one find 2000 pigs?
Roman garrison camp.
The 2,000 pigs are a metaphor for the Roman 10th Fretensis Legion that was in the area of Syria and Galilee during Jesus' lifetime. Its battle flags carried the image of a wild boar (or pig) as its mascot. So when Jesus drives the "legion" from the demoniac, he is referring to a Roman legion of 2,000 troops that have a wild boar as their mascot image. So basically, Carrier hasn't done his homework on this. Metaphors can be used to disguise historical events, especially among populations occupied by foreign powers.
The problem is many fundamentalists believe they were real pigs and real deamons
@@allenhonaker4107 Apparently, so does Richard Carrier.
One Gospel says it happened in Gerasa, the modern day city of Jerash in Jordan 🇯🇴.
This was an area with a strong Hellenistic element, ever since the conquest by Alexander the Great. You can still see the Greek amphitheater and the Roman ruins there.
So yes, it’s highly likely.
I walked with god 15 years i can tell you that he is a liar did not protect me and no weapon formed is a lie he is not able to protect you deny hin
I'm an atheist but I find your story of Jesus having a boyfriend somewhat unconvincing. The 'beloved' disciple could have been Mary Magdalene, and even if it wasn't I didn't see any evidence of this love having a sexual element to it.
If you make insinuations like this without exploring other angles/possibilities then I cant take anything else you say seriously!
The sexual angle is irrelevant. Identifying the name of the disciple, "who Jesus loved" is very important. The only claimed eye witness in all 4 gospels is Lazarus! A fictional character invented by "Luke" & utilised by "John". So much for a historical Jesus. Smoke & mirrors.....
@@sharingforimprovement155 One of the many endings of Mark says you can pick up poisonous snakes and not die, some Christians to this day believe it but you call me insane. Sure it's only one thing wrong because we were only discussing one thing: the beloved disciple. There are so many other things wrong with the christian story....how much time have you got?
@@sharingforimprovement155 sorry that was my mistake...
I think the beloved disciple within the narrative is the "believer" who is partaking in the story or is part of the brotherhood/sisterhood of believers.
John 1 3:2 "Beloved, now are we the sons of God..." John 1 3:21 "Beloved, if our heart condemn us not..." Repeated again in John 3
Lazarus, Hebrew Eleazar, (“God Has Helped”). In the OT Eleazar helps with the return to the temple after Babylon. John is written after the fall of the temple and the return to the "new Israel." The resurrection narrative thus symbolizes the new Israel and the death the old Israel.
Carrier is off on his depiction of Revelation. Babylon is the description of the Jewish temple. At times he glosses over some intricate detail...
wonderful work - thank you
Great, It makes me want to investigate more
Extremely helpful for deconstructing.
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You are trying to be logical, but - they believe. However, keep in mind that Dead Sea scrolls are written at about the same time when Jesus lived, mainly in Hebrew, not Greek. The question is where are the original Hebrew Jesus related documents? If they exist they are hidden in Vatican. Or they don’t exist. So we have a Greek NT written by Greeks for Greeks.
Additional point , Paul who never met Jesus, was a scorn rabbi, who’s ideas were not popular with Jews. He saw an opportunity to create a new religion and he took it. One has to give it to him, he was incredibly successful. Without Paul there is no Christianity. Then 325 years later the trinity idea was transferred from Egyptian beliefs into Christianity and whala ....
Wasn't it the Flavions and emperor Augustine that created the stories about Jesus ?
lololol
Yes!
MARCION OF SINOPE is the AUTHOR OF THE NEW MEN-TA-TEST AND THAT'S TESTAMENT BACKWARDS and he was considered a heretic by his peers. LMMFAO.ATCHA
@@jacques2242 oh really ? is this a joke or you just being amused by yourself ? 🤣
@@richardbello5732 I can give you a thousand studies in peer refereed psychology & physics journals comprising a single meta-analysis conferring 16.1 standard deviations from a normal distribution proving the phenomenology of psychic experience; the direct psychic control over physical systems. Clearly there are story tellers, but we can verify scientifically every viable promise from God's Word.
“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities” - Voltaire. If you can believe in a god because some guy said so, then you can believe that a god wants you to murder children and infants because some guy said so: "This is what the Lord Almighty says...Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys." (1 Samuel 15:2-3).
Delete my comments if you want. Doesn't matter.
@@BarbaPamino You think I have magic superpowers?
@@BarbaPamino Make all the stupid comments you want, moron! Debunking douchebags is what I do.
@@mythbuster1483 now I see why you think religion is so hard to decipher. You can't even grasp the concept of reporting a comment as against community standards, and you think that doing so is some sort of magic. I get it now.
You also haven't debunked an thing here. I keep telling you we live in a finite universe and and as a human species we are an insignificantly small percentage of larger just as insignificant life and you keep quoting what Samuel told Saul the orders of the Lord are. That's not a debunking. Debunking would be presenting me with data and evidence that our existence, actions and beliefs do in fact matter. You've not done so.
@@BarbaPamino Now I see why you think rational thought is so hard to decipher. If credulous religious nuts didn’t make the world worse, I could care less what ridiculous ancient nonsense they believe on faith. The problem is that people credulous enough to believe absurd claims on faith because some man claimed ‘god said so’ are also credulous enough to murder children and infants because some man claimed that god said so (1 Samuel 15:2-3), or murder gays because some man claimed that god said so (Lev. 20:13), or murder accused witches because some man claimed that god said so (Exodus 22:18), or murder their own wife and children if they choose another faith just because some man claimed that god said so (Deut. 13:6-16), or murder women who aren't virgins on their wedding night just because some man claimed that god said so (Deut 22:13-21), or enslave people because some guy claimed that god said so (Leviticus 25: 44-46), etc. The problem is that credulous religious nuts who can’t differentiate truth from fiction are easily manipulated, and when their fake holy book advocates violence, it’s a dangerous combination. How do we bring these delusional people into the 21st century?
Imagine that someday someone will find a record of Star wars, Avengers or Game of thrones, believing that it was real and it is very likely that this hypothetical moment is already in the past.
Петър Петров what you just said proves that you’re not intelligent at all. The comparison is pretty idiotic and I’m not even a bible thumper.
Imagine that someday 1,800 years from now nobody will believe that any of our first 50 presidents existed because Liberal Professors will be able to come up with every trick imaginable to explain away anything that looks like solid evidence. Don’t believe me? Well here’s a mental exercise. Try convincing me that George Washington actually existed. There is zero “proof” that he existed.
Most likely some one will do that
That will never happen. We are living in the age of superior technology and people in the future will be way to smart
Pound4Pound, have you seen the movie W.A.L.L.- E? Did it look like those people were getting smarter because of their technology dependance?
Dr Carrier has a rocking voice, but it's impossible to fall asleep because he really nails his domain.
He is obviously the Master of His Domain.
I often sleep to carrier lectures, it's soothing to me like some kind of atheist scripture. Lol
Amazing how people like Dr. Carrier are so fixated on this subject, being Anti-Christ. Why doesn't he look at Islam and others.
@@nickc8819 he touches on Islam in other lectures.
@@nickc8819 He has mentioned in other lectures that Islam is not his specialty. He only speaks to subjects that are his specialty - he is a scholar and has his PhD in the history and science of ancient Greece and Rome (the birthplace of the new testament). He is not an Arabic or Persian historian. If he was he would speak to Islam. He has said he doesn't speak about topics in which he has no expertise - like any reputable scholar.
Another way you know it's myth is these Christians themselves.
Show them the correlation between hundreds of thousands of other myths we have and ask them if they believe any of them. They'll tell you that it's a myth. That means your myth also can't be true. If everything else isn't true and myth. Yours is too. It's 3rd grade deduction math. All the others being wrong means yours is too. You can't argue math. You can only misinterpret it.
11:59 Re: Judas being paid 30 pieces of silver... This was directly taken from the prophecy of Zechariah in the Old Testament and highly unlikely to have been true. 'Matthew' was quite Zealous (pun intended) in his quest to ensure all the Old Testament prophecies for the prophesied Messiah were ticked off
peterscottmorgan1 having been a tax collector Matthew would have noted details involving coinage which other disciples like fishermen would probably have overlooked.
@@HighestRank Why should I believe absurd ancient fairy tales from brainwashed members of a human sacrifice cult whose holy book is demonstrably false and has already been debunked by science, archaeology and biblical scholarship as proven lies? "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). What happens when fools believe liars? "A preacher and another leader...died early yesterday after drinking strychnine at a service" www.nytimes.com/1973/04/10/archives/2-drink-strychnine-at-service-and-die-in-display-of-faith.html
@@mythbuster1483 : You are an ignorant.
@@rajiphilips5937 What happens when fools believe proven liars? "Faith-Healing Parents Jailed After Second Child's Death" time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/ Where did they get that crazy idea?!! Jesus promised: "If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer" (Matt. 21:22), "And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well" (James 5:15). "And these signs will accompany those who believe...they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well" (Mark 16:17-18). "Nothing will be impossible for you" (Matt. 17:20).
"Tell 'em I'm a Zealot" ruclips.net/video/Iv3UyrvOXSs/видео.html
It is frightening that we actually need Richard Carrier to explain to people that something so obviously absurd is absurd.
Yes, but most people lack critical thinking skills, especially if they were brainwashed by a human sacrifice cult.
@Bran Evans ROFL. Wow, you win. Pour yourself another one, scientist.
@Bran Evans "Notice again, that you failed to explain" -- This is not a venue for lecturing to the mentally lazy. Educate yourself.
"You arrogantly attack others for their beliefs" -- I did not attack you, and I couldn't care less about your beliefs. I did not know you from Adam until you came in with your sophomoric sarcasm. You're on mute now. Go preach your passive aggressive sermons somewhere else.
@Bran Evans Notice again, that you failed to explain how nothing, with absolute no mass or dimension, exploded and created a *MAGIC INVISIBLE SKY GENIE* who then used his superpowers to create the universe from nothing. If you believe that you will believe anything. Let's consider my big hairy balls. Every time I ejaculate I shoot out 250 million sperm cells in order to fertilize *ONE* egg cell per month in my wife's uterus: www.livescience.com/32437-why-are-250-million-sperm-cells-released-during-sex.html This makes no sense at all from the perspective of design if humans were designed to be monogamous when created in the magical garden with the talking snake and 'tree of life' as your book of ancient fairy tales says. Additionally, my wife has blood coming out of her vagina for 5 days every month. What a terrible design! Evolution explains this, creation does not. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_competition
@Bran Evans "The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove." yourlogicalfallacyis.com/burden-of-proof So let me know when you find some evidence to support absurd claims about an *INVISIBLE MAGIC SKY GENIE* , or that Jesus was a *VIRGIN-BORN DEMIGOD WITH SUPERPOWERS* and that his *ROTTING CORPSE MAGICALLY RETURNED FROM THE DEAD* before levitating bodily into outer space, or evidence for the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, etc. LOL!
Religion is simply a myth that is still believed by people
It's called mythology. All religions are pagan. Christians/jews want to split the world into their "true religion" and pagan.
True Religion is this: To feed the hungry, to shelter those who have none, to love your neighbor like yourself, to not murder, to not steal, to not lie, to live in peace with all men.
>"Religion is simply a myth" -- You can't prove that. In the case of Christianity, we find that the Bible has details that only some at that time would know (vs. the hundreds of years later when they say the books were written).
Where we can check (and this is the key that the critics ALWAYS forget--even after I have told them that they will forget, they do it!), the Bible has ALWAYS been found to be correct. And the critics of the Bible have ALWAYS been found to be wrong. The thing to note is that the critics are ALWAYS wrong. They claim to be smarter than the ignorant goat-herders who wrote the Bible (none of the writers of the Bible were only goat-herders so they are wrong on that claim) and we certainly have more knowledge today than they did way back then. But, it is ALWAYS the critics who are found to be wrong--now why is that? Shouldn't they have been right at least 50% of the time? If the critics of the Bible were so much smarter than the writers of the Bible, we should think that they'd be ALWAYS right. Instead we we find that they are ALWAYS wrong. If you knew that a weather forecaster was ALWAYS wrong, how much longer would he/she be on the air? We have the joke that you can tell when a politician is lying--their lips are moving. Given the cont'd failure of the Bible critics to get even ONE, just one(!), thing right, I would suggest that the joke applies to them as well.
Two concrete examples will suffice:
1) When Herodotus (c. 484 BC - c. 425 BC) wrote ab't the fall of Babylon, he could not tell you who was in charge of the city (all sort of other alleged details tho'! See www.livius.org/articles/person/darius-the-great/sources/capture-of-babylon-herodotus/). Likewise, Xenophon, (born c. 430 bce, Attica, Greece-died shortly before 350, Attica), (see www.cyropaedia.org/2013/12/09/xenophons-cyropaedia-and-persian-oral-history-part-two/). Yet Daniel, which is supposed to have been written 3 centuries later, could tell us!
2) [LOTS OF EXAMPLES IN THE BOOK!] faithsaves.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Ancient-Orient-and-Old-Testament-Kenneth-Kitchen.pdf, see PDF page 30, "the price of twenty shekels of silver paid for Joseph in Genesis 37:28 is the correct average price for a slave in about the [page 54] eighteenth century BC:94 earlier than this, slaves were cheaper (average, ten to fifteen shekels), and later they became steadily dearer.95" and then on PDF page 33 "The total evidence, therefore, accords very well with a date for the Patriarchs in the twentieth to eighteenth centuries BC, and shows a reasonable degree of consistency when properly interpreted.105"
All this means,
1) the books could NOT have been written as late as is claimed, because the correct knowledge would have been lost.
2) when the critics err so often on the simple stuff, why should anyone trust them on the more complex issues? The same lack of research and lousy hermeneutics that CREATED the simple errors are magnified on the more complex.
@@micahyah9076 :
"True Religion is this: To feed the hungry, to shelter those who have none, to love your neighbor like yourself, to not murder, to not steal, to not lie, to live in peace with all men."
==That's a religion into which I can get into. Some call it humanism. The beauty of it is that you don't need any gods to tell you what to do. We all already know what hurts, what our needs are, etc.
@@davidconklin9552 :
">"Religion is simply a myth" -- You can't prove that."
"In the case of Christianity"
==As far as judaism goes, since it makes claims about the natural world, we know that it is a myth.
1. The earth is not flat.
2. The universe/earth is not 6000 y old. Some christians say that the Genesis book should not be taken as recorded history.
3. It starts up with 1 human: Adam. He is male. That is silly.
4. All humans coming from 2 humans. Therewould not be enough genetic diversity. The same kind of thing happens with the global flood. Only 8 humans survive and they are all family members. Noah takes 2 of every animal.
5. Bats aren't birds. A whale is nt a fish. Rabiits don't chew their cud.
You can find the numbers 3, 7, 12, 40 often in the bible. It is obvious that it was significant to jews and you can find these numbers in other cultures as well. Cultures copy each other so this is expected.
Leviticus 14:2-32...God's cure for lepers: Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper SEVEN times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly off. The "cure" goes on to require killing a lamb...
^^^^^^^^^Notice the number 7
interestingly, in the 1920's, the disease was found to respond to Chaulmoogra Oil (Hydnocarpus wightiana seed oil), extracted from a plant native to India. Wonder why jewhova didn't know that?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydnocarpus_wightiana_seed_oil
Guess the tree was disinterested..... It couldn't give a fig! LOL (26:29)
@Neil Forbes
I felt really bad for that Tree. He got caught up in the middle of a religious war, poor thing.
I was worried that Hell was filled with the souls of the Damned, and this One Tree.
That sucks.
He is just a tree.
But then again I remembered the second part of the crucifixion mythology: Jesus threw open wide the gates of hell and saved all those damned before his resurrection. So, that too includes liberation and freedom for the tree he himself cursed. The gates of hell did not prevail. JESUS SAVES! But, Poor Tree, It's gone through heaven and hell. Praise the Tree, suffering the wrath and then the salvation of the gods !
Dear Fig Tree: So sorry you suffered.
That was so very unfair to you.
Caught in a cosmic Cross fire of warring Deities and Demigods. I do hope you feel better.
God Bless you Fig Tree! Be Healed in Jesus Name! All your sins are Forgiven Fig Tree ! Enjoy Eternal Salvation and Everlasting Life in Heaven ! :-) Namaste.
@@SeaJay_Oceans Perhaps the tree can "branch out" into other "fields" of endeavour! LOL
@@neilforbes416 Nice!
@@mythbuster1483 Cheers! Thanks!
All ridiculous people here are lamenting over the death of a tree. They don't understand that the Creator of the trees can do anything. Better let them not eat vegetables and keep saving trees and plants and stop being gluttonous, rather than throwing crocodile tears.
Wonderful stuff! Wonder why I didn't learn any of this in Catholic schools. :)
jassybee The Catholic church is NOT a 'Christian' organization! It is a 'Lucifarian' organization that masquerades as a Christian organization. Therefor, what you learned in a Catholic school was NOT the truth of the bible! It was the 'lie' of man!!! That is the very 'reason' you are deceived!!!
jim happnin and let me guess...your Protestant delusions are better than catholic beliefs?
Fern ASMR I'm NOT 'Protestant'! I AM 'biblical!! If you don't know the difference... You're 'lost'!!
jim happnin you’re a Protestant...all of your sects are the same....which of the 33,000 different denominations are you from ?
@@jimhappnin1425 You're a freaking lying idiot is what you are!
27:00 minutes even Richard uses the force with his hands to shake the camera 🤣
To the THEISTS:
Have you any proof that the events ''below'' actually occurred as reported, outside of what the bible claims, minus any ''anecdotal'' evidence & ''faith.''????
The Bible has stories about a talking snake (Genesis 3:4-5); a tree bearing fruit which, when eaten, gives knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17; 3:5-7); another tree whose fruit bestows immortality (Genesis 3:22); a voice coming from a burning bush (Exodus 3:4); a talking donkey (Numbers 22:28); rods turning into serpents (Exodus 7:10-12); water changing into blood (Exodus 7:19-22); water coming from a rock (Numbers 20:11); a dead man reviving when his corpse touched the bones of a prophet (II Kings 13:21); and other people rising from the dead (e.g., I Kings 17:21-22; II Kings 4:32-35; Acts 9:37-40).
There are also accounts of the sun standing still (Joshua 10:13); the parting of a sea (Exodus 14:21-22); iron floating (II Kings 6:5-6); the sun’s shadow going back ten degrees (II Kings 20:9-11); a witch bringing the ghost of Samuel back from the dead (I Samuel 28:3-15); disembodied fingers writing on a wall (Daniel 5:5); a man living for three days and nights in the belly of a fish (Jonah 1:17); people walking on water (Matthew 14:26-29); a virgin impregnated by God (Matthew 1:20); a pool of water that can cure ailments of those who dip in it (John 5:2-4); and angels and demons influencing earthly affairs (e.g., Acts 5:19; Luke 11:24-26). ????????
To the THEISTS:
Have you any proof that these events actually occurred as reported, outside of what the bible claims, minus any ''anecdotal'' evidence & ''faith.''????
"The Bible has stories about a talking snake (Genesis 3:4-5);"
*RIGHT OUT of the GATE YOU MAKE a FALSE CLAIM. THERE IS NO TALKING SNAKE or SNAKE of ANY KIND in GEN. 3*
@@thetruthchannel349 Gen. 3:1 "Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”" LOL!
@@thetruthchannel349 Let me see if I understand your absurd fairy tale correctly: Jesus is God, and God impregnated Mary...so Jesus impregnated his own mother. Isn't that incest? And then Jesus was born...but since God and Mary weren't married, that makes Jesus "a person born of parents not married to each other" (The Oxford Dictionary). en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bastard And what does the bible say about this? "A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD." (Deut 23:2). So by your own claim, Bastard Jesus couldn't have been the messiah. But moving on, you then claim that not only was he a virgin-born demigod bastard, but he had *SUPERPOWERS* , including the ability to kill fig trees with a magic curse, cure the blind with *MAGIC MUCUS* , and kill 2000 pigs by hurling demons into them. Then he was killed, but later his rotting corpse magically returned from the dead and levitated bodily into outer space. Wow! That's a great story! And your *EVIDENCE* for these obviously fictional claims is...what? Let me guess: *ABSOLUTELY NOTHING* ! Am I right? 😉 😊 😋 What a load of 🐂💩
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*TELL ME SOMETHING LITTLE ONE? WHAT IS THE OVER-ARCHING PREMISE UPON which the ENTIRE LIBRARY of TEXTS we CALL THE BIBLE IS BASED UPON?*
@@mythbuster1483 *ANOTHER COMMENT from TRUTH CHANNEL that was DELETED*
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@The Truth Channel Gen. 3:1 "Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
*The word SERPENT was a mis-translation that FIRST appeared in Jerome's VULGATE. However, the original Hebrew word used there is SERAPH which in plural form is the MORE RECOGNIZED SERAPHIM. SERAPHIM in the Old Testament is a CLASS of ANGELIC BEING. THIS IS NOT a TALKING SNAKE or ANIMAL. IT IS an ANGELIC ARCHETYPE. SO, AGAIN. THERE IS NO TALKING SNAKE in GENESIS 3*
Carrier should rewrite this talk he gives and give it an onion structure.
Love the idea!
I'm Native Canadian..and my peoples history was oblivious to the great flood..we didn't even know about it until the Europeans brought the Bible overseas. 🤷🏾♂️
i knew J E S U S wasnt real no wonder they left Europe
im glad im n0t a CHRISTIAN
Amazing that some adults still believe in supernatural personal Gods and priests babble .
As my granny said ,' takes all kinds'.
The only babble comes from stupid heathens like you.
@@mikerodgers7620 No laugh button so I'll just give you a LMMFAO!
@@jackmyers2359 when Lucifer is in hell torturing you, he will be laughing. 😁
@Chuck Nelson stupid heathens still babble on. 😁
@@mikerodgers7620 You'll probably be there too bud. You'll never know if you have the "right" religion, are worshipping the right gawd or worthy of gawd's "home". Your satan might be playing games with you too, pretending he's the nice guy. I hope I do go the opposite place as your kind, you freaks can sing hymns all day, wash the masters feet and worry about the genocidal monster changing his mind again about his "creation" and kill everyone like he did in a story book fairy tale. If satan is real and he is evil, why would he punish the evil? That's the kind of shit religifreaks aren't smart enough to ask themselves, they just pretend the whole story is real because their mommies and the preacher man told them so. Living in fear, thinking some dude is watching their every move and can't even masturbate in peace because they're subservient sheep to imaginary beings. They're already in hell in their own self imposed prison , pissing away this life in hopes of another one. Then, when they can't convince others of their nonsensical "belief" through rational means, they threaten random strangers with "lucifer" and hell. Keep pretending you're a good little xian and making the preacher man's Escalade's payment, I'll keep on sinning my ass off, it's what I do best. You're the one that has to be saved from your own gawd dude, good luck with that....
I rather listen to Dr. Carrier for hours 10 times over than a single sentence from jordan peterson
What else would the gospels be? How else could they possibly be classified?
Excellent talk. Thanks for posting this video!
Καρλ Αντονέσκου nope. Mainstream historians are running on assumptions.
What there is not, is evidence.
Don't believe me? Ok. Pretend i'm sitting there with you and you want to show me proof.
Go look on the internet.
See if you can find any evidence that has ever been examines by science, and held up.
Not supposed miracles in some other country, or my auntie got better 'cos jesus, but actual evidence.
Seriously, go look for some.
+Pete Kondolios: There is plenty of evidence that skeptics examine the evidence for the supernatural themselves, but believers ignore it and refuse to examine it.
+Pete Kondolios You are FAKE NEWS.
+Pete Kondolios That's what you hope I hope. What if I am correct?
@@apteryx01 “A fool will believe anything”(Prov. 14:15). Anytime you want to prove your book of debunked ancient fairy tales with the talking snake, talking donkey, 900-year-old men, virgin birth and zombies, which promises magic poison resistance to believers---go ahead! "And these signs will accompany those who believe...when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all" (Mark 16:17-18). So post your video demonstrating the magic poison-resistance superpowers that Lying Jesus promised! It's not like the Bible is full of lies, right? Dr. Bart Ehrman, Distinguished Professor of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina: "But good Christian scholars of the Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will tell you that *the Bible is full of lies* , even if they refuse to use the term." - Who Wrote The Bible and Why It Matters
I'm happy you said fanfiction, because thats exactly what it is lmao.
YESSSSSSS
your life is a full fanfiction lmao