Tactical Analysis of the Klingon Battle Fleet Doctrine

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  • @artembentsionov
    @artembentsionov 5 лет назад +30

    Here’s a good quote that summarizes the Romulan approach to tactics and strategy:
    “Misdirection is the key to survival. Never attack what your enemy defends, never behave as your enemy expects, and never reveal your true strengths. If knowledge is power, then to be unknown is to be unconquerable.”

    • @joemelton4747
      @joemelton4747 4 года назад

      Isn't that a sun Tzu quote

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 4 года назад +1

      Joe Melton I’m sure he wrote something to that effect, but I haven’t been able to find a quote from him that closely matches the wording. Granted, there are many different translations of The Art of War (especially since it was written like a poem).

    • @joemelton4747
      @joemelton4747 4 года назад

      @@artembentsionov it does sound like it
      But then again I read it a long time ago

    • @darkmagician2521
      @darkmagician2521 3 года назад +1

      @@joemelton4747 That quote you mention reminds me of one Artemis Fowl the Second when he said something similar to one Jon Spiro in the 3rd book The Eternity Code if you know what I'm talking about.

  • @IAmTheAce5
    @IAmTheAce5 5 лет назад +76

    If you're looking at fleet doctrine, does that means we'll see the Cardassians' "plan within a plan within a plan leading to a trap"?

    • @resurrectedstarships
      @resurrectedstarships  5 лет назад +11

      quite possibly, we'll see how klings, roms, and feds go first :D

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад +1

      no that's Admiral Ackbars area, he does the IT'S A TRAP thing.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад +3

      @@resurrectedstarships Federation tactics? You have seen Prelude to Axanar and the Klingons comments on that? THE FIRST RULE IF WAR IS KNOW YOUR ENEMY, BUT WITH THR FEDERATION EACH SPECIES HAD ITS OWN TACTICS. You never knew who you are up against.

    • @moguldamongrel3054
      @moguldamongrel3054 5 лет назад

      Jean-Luc Martel except for the standardized ship designs...

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад +1

      @@moguldamongrel3054 which actually made things even harder for the klingons. because all the ships look the same.

  • @Nyst2
    @Nyst2 5 лет назад +11

    Klingon tactics make sense when you consider that to them, offense and defense are the same.
    You search for opponents so you can find them before they can find you. You attack them before they can attack you.
    If they turn out weaker then you, you stopped them from becoming a threat in the future, and if they turn out stronger then you you found out on your own terms.
    To try to fight anything new you discover might seem needlessly violent to others, but to the Klingon people these warriors die protecting the Klingon Empire from now or future threats and as such are given honor and respect.
    Peace and being on the defensive makes them nervous, as all it does it give enemies beyond the horizon time to grow stronger. And it is why they will always seek to expand no matter the risk.
    This worldview of them translates into their ship designs, their weapons, their tactics, and every other aspect of the way they fight.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 2 года назад +2

      Exactly. Their invasion of cardassia reflects this philosophy perfectly. To the klingons it wasn't a war of conquest, but a defensive action. They wanted to strike at the dominion before they had solidified their supposed foothold. Thus defending against an enemy strategy. The fact that they were reacting to rumors and the martock changeling is immaterial.
      The klingons defend by attacking. They strike preemptively to keep their enemies on the defensive and off balance. This makes a lot of sense. By keeping the fighting within their enemies's territory it allows the empire to protect its own industrial base, as well as protecting its own civilian population centers.
      The only real disadvantage is that they increase the length of their supply lines. Unless they adequately defend the lines of supply, a clever enemy can cut them off.

    • @matheuscerqueira7952
      @matheuscerqueira7952 Год назад +1

      @@ryanarment5393 other disadvantage is that they may make too many enemies. That's why the Federation is their ideal ally

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 Год назад

      ​@Matheus Cerqueira the Klingons tended to pick strong allies when they have strong enemies to contend with. During the 23rd century they had the Romulans as allies while they were in conflict with the federation.

  • @Gigas0101
    @Gigas0101 5 лет назад +33

    I'd argue that the klingon's space forces are all cavalry. B'rels and skirmishers, light cavalry meant to maneuver and harass. K'Tingas and Vor'chas are knights, cataphracts, the heavy cavalry. They charge through the enemy, destroying everything in their way before looping around and charging again.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 лет назад +1

      What about the Negh’Var? That’s clearly a dreadnought

    • @tbeller80
      @tbeller80 5 лет назад

      @@artembentsionov but also as far as we know one of a kind.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 лет назад

      travisbe916 really? Hmm, guess I’m basing my knowledge on games where it’s the Klingon equivalent to the Sovereign.

    • @tbeller80
      @tbeller80 5 лет назад

      @@artembentsionov hard to say which one of us is right. I've never played the games that seem to feed the canon in many of these videos. I'm just going off the shows.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 лет назад

      travisbe916 no, the shows are canon. The games and books aren’t. Even the awesome Chancellor class in the IKS Gorkon books isn’t canon

  • @vaclavjebavy5118
    @vaclavjebavy5118 5 лет назад +27

    These tactics remind me of Soviet battle doctrine. The Soviets, while in no way lacking in military academic thought and complex orders of battle, still used rather simple operational tactics. Their military hardware was usually less effective at long ranges, making them focused on closing in on an enemy. Their tactics might have seemed crude and inflexible, but were faster and simpler to implement even for less experienced commanders.

    • @pepperVenge
      @pepperVenge 5 лет назад +5

      Thats funny you say that, because the Klingons were originally conceptualized to be an allegory of the Soviet Union.

    • @vaclavjebavy5118
      @vaclavjebavy5118 5 лет назад +2

      @@pepperVenge That does make sense.

    • @patrickcummins79
      @patrickcummins79 4 года назад

      been watching a lot of TIK and the Military History Visualized youtube channels.. apparently, the idea of "endless hordes" of soviets during WWII was B.S. more or less, they did outnumber the Germans, but not at like 10:1 ratios. they used misdirection and concentrated their forces on an exposed enemy area, then when attacking would send More men in than would a western or German power, and thus achieve a breakthrough earlier, that while costly, would Typically save more lives and thus be more effective Overall, in the Long Run.. (or so i have been told by professional and amateur military historians..)
      however, i have no doubt, that in many desperate battles especially Early in the war, very Dumb tactics were employed by inexperienced, under trained, not qualified(not combat "MOS" perhaps??....) Soviet officers and NCOs.. This is just my opinion, backed up by what i have read elsewhere..

    • @vaclavjebavy5118
      @vaclavjebavy5118 4 года назад

      @@patrickcummins79 yeah pretty much. After WWII their combat capabilities grew a lot.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 4 года назад +1

      They also got rid of commissars pretty early in the war, sending them to be retrained and commissioned as political officers. And if you think they’re the same, they’re not. A political officer is an *officer*, meaning he’s trained to command and to support his superior officer while ensuring that the party’s plans are carried out. Commissars were largely civilians and often interfered with proper military planning, which is why the top brass eventually got rid of them. So I wouldn’t compare them to Warhammer 40K’s commissars

  • @jamieolberding7731
    @jamieolberding7731 5 лет назад +7

    I really like the design of the Klingon K'Tinga class battlecruiser.

  • @speestechsupport1341
    @speestechsupport1341 5 лет назад +9

    Bless you friend, I can’t wait for the Romulan video.
    Jolan Tru!

  • @iamfritz
    @iamfritz 5 лет назад +16

    Is anything known about Klingon shielding? That would bear heavily into their tactics too.
    In the board game Starfleet Battles, Klingon ships had heavy forward shields and weaker side and aft shields.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 4 года назад +1

      I think it would vary from class to class. The birds-of-prey were small, and meant to hit hard and fast. While they would have efficient shields, most of the available power would be allocated to the weapons, engines, cloak and life support. They also had heavy reinforcement structures built into key areas of the birds-of-prey. This would also indicate that they didn't rely too heavily on shields.
      The Vor'cha, k'tinga, and Neg'var were able to take a beating, but that seemed more from sturdy construction than shield effectiveness.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 4 года назад +2

      This carried over into the Starfleet Command games (which use the board game’s rules). The Klingon tutorial states that forward shielding is the heaviest, which is as it should be, because a true warrior faces his enemy

  • @SCSuperheavy114
    @SCSuperheavy114 5 лет назад +24

    Awesome analysis! The Klingons like to get in close! That bird of prey is a Romulan design if I’m not mistaken.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад +5

      Romulans and Thrawn are the PERFECT adversaries in my opinion. both are cagey, smart, secretive and cautious.

    • @pepperVenge
      @pepperVenge 5 лет назад

      The Klingon Bird of Prey? I'm sure you are mistaken.

    • @artembentsionov
      @artembentsionov 5 лет назад +1

      Romulans has their own birds of prey. Those looked different and didn’t have actual wings. They just had a bird of prey painted on the hull. Their TNG-era battleships are called warbirds. Although JJ Abrams also calls some Klingon ships warbirds.

    • @SampoPaalanen
      @SampoPaalanen 4 года назад +1

      @@artembentsionov I think the confusion comes from the fact that Klingon Bird of Prey was originally meant to be a romulan ship the klingon captain stole, it wasn't mentioned anywhere in the movie though and later movies and series made that 100% klingon design and an evolution of type of ship first seen in the 2150s (aka during the series Enterprise).
      That said the Romulan Bird of Prey does sort of have wings as the Nacelle pylons are wing shaped, the ship sort of looking like an arrow point backwards when viewed from the top or bottom.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 4 года назад

      Romulans had their own birds of prey.

  • @stevenewman1393
    @stevenewman1393 Год назад +1

    🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail and every shape way and form provided indeed, Very nicely well done on and about Klingon fleet doctrine and their main battle tactics and so forth indeed👌.

  • @bernieeod57
    @bernieeod57 5 лет назад +1

    In the fan film “Axanar “. The Klingons operate in 3 Ship formations which in my spin off Novel “Axanar: The Destroyers “ Are referred to as “Triads”. They can have three ships of the same type or A D series cruiser with a pair of BOP’s to cover its flanks. The lead character in my novel commands a squadron of single nacelle Destroyers. In one battle against a “Triple triad”. 3 D-6 Cruisers each with their own pair of Raptors (Large Bird If preys). The Commodore, with his fleet of Destroyers first decides to “Pick the low hanging fruit” And strip the cruisers of their light support ships. This leaves the flanks wide open for his Destroyers to to buzz around them like angry hornets.

  • @Lenzabi
    @Lenzabi 5 лет назад +2

    Ah, powerful, Heavy disruptor cannons are in the tips of the nacelles of the D-7/K' Tinga, per blueprints and the TOS episodes where they fired. Still maintaining the "triangle" of weapons power on those cruisers.

    • @ryanarment5393
      @ryanarment5393 2 года назад +1

      Excellent point. The vor'cha also had numerous disruptor banks in the wings and nacelles. Once again maintaining that triangle of weapons design approach, but making sure that even if that if the primary foreward battery was damaged or disabled, the ship still could fight effectively

  • @ic3125
    @ic3125 4 года назад +1

    Can we please have more of these videos cuz I luv themmmm

  • @JeanLucCaptain
    @JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад +7

    YES THRAWN ANALYSIS OF STAR TREK RACES!

    • @barrybend7189
      @barrybend7189 5 лет назад

      Or Thrawn's analysis of Zentradi tactics( I.e. Bretai's) from SDF Macross.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад

      @@barrybend7189 OR RUSSIAN TACTICS FROM MACROSS ZERO 😂

  • @carolheward6479
    @carolheward6479 2 года назад +1

    Most klingon ships are well armoured especially protecting vital areas like the bridge etc so they are not weak in a prolonged fight and during the next gen era the klingons had vorchas to fill a all round combat role to support the faster lighter ships and also support the heavier negh var class ships that will provide heavy fire support for the faster ships and they have heavy weaponry and are very large well armored and shielded so overalp tng klingon fleet isnt just a fast attack forward facing firepower fleet but they are still based around that style of combat.

  • @brianjohnson5272
    @brianjohnson5272 4 года назад +1

    Lol I've played SFC for over a decade. Now I have no clue where that game sits on canon but the Klingon early ships always ALWAYS had a weakness. The rear shields. While the federation had a strong all round defense Klingon's during early and even to SFC 2 had shield greater frontal and a token rear shield typically around 40% of the forward pre reinforcement.
    I could take a frigate if I was lucky and boogie past her with full reinforced front shields, take an alpha strike from a D7 k'tinga losing 80% of my shields and the reinforcement and cut my engines to 7.4-8.0 (roughly 1/4 impulse) and use a high energy turn which flips me 180 degrees with a risk of knocking my engines out (with a good engineer you can do it twice with zero risk and 2 1/2 minutes between HETs) and alpha strike the rear shield. I used two of 3 torpedo tubes and would typically knock out 1/3-1/2 of it's engine power and 2-5 weapon arrays) taking a david ship vs. the Klingon goliath. You would of course then stay on the D7s rear pummeling it as you can. It's a tough fight but it can be done. You WILL be dry docking your ship post fight for repairs, but the lolz you get for eating a heavy cruiser with the smallest ship (fully upgraded) and sending that crew to Gre'thor (what honor was there attacking a ship roughly 1/3rd yours?)

  • @grand-dadmiral
    @grand-dadmiral 5 лет назад +4

    Fascinating. With this in hand, the Klingons would stand no chance.
    ...That is, if I were in that universe to begin with.

    • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
      @SchneeflockeMonsoon 5 лет назад +4

      Thrawn
      Indeed Admiral.
      Note the shift from flowing armor to the sharp contours of the neck, and the inverted double triangle of the aft plating on the standard cruisers. This speaks to a culture who value forward assaults and minimal broadsides, while minimizing threats from ‘dishonorable’ dorsal or ventral strikes, and maximizing efficiency when allowing enemies to chase or be chased by a small number of cruisers, allowing traps of opposite vector vessels to be easily unnoticed.

    • @rinck17
      @rinck17 5 лет назад +3

      Too bad the Klingons have cloaking devices and are from the Star Trek Universe that boasts far superior accuracy and firepower on ship board weapons.

  • @MackeyDeez
    @MackeyDeez 5 лет назад +1

    I always said that the Klingons war doctrine would have been raids on soft targets and the cruisers would be for major seige of territory and fleet battles.

  • @clerickolter
    @clerickolter 5 лет назад

    Klingons kept it simple and stuck to what worked with sound tactics.

  • @Uchilsson
    @Uchilsson 5 лет назад +1

    Very simple...but very good!

  • @mrhades652
    @mrhades652 5 лет назад

    Great series dude. Keep up the good work

  • @ALPHAOMEGA1500
    @ALPHAOMEGA1500 4 месяца назад

    In TOS era the D-7 design fired fomr both the KDF and the Romulans diruptors from the wing pods, so did the birds of prey.

  • @ussakira7294
    @ussakira7294 5 лет назад

    That was a really great video i enjoyed it very much i I forward 2 your video about the Romulans

  • @carolheward6479
    @carolheward6479 2 года назад

    I know the b rell class ships are small assault ships with a small crew etc but i thought they were equipped with aft torpedo launchers so they can de cloak attack at high speed then as they fly past they launch torpedoes from the aft launchers. Perhaps i was mistaken.

  • @ryanarment5393
    @ryanarment5393 3 месяца назад

    I think you are overstating the idea that klingon ships are structurally weak. When you get down to it they really aren’t. They build their ships with reinforcing bracers and struts in key areas. There are ample instances of klingon ships taking huge amounts of damage and being able to continue to fight. The Bortas took heavy fire from 3 k’vort class birds-of-prey and was still able to punch back. The bird-of-prey that kirk captured in the search for spock took direct photon torpedo damage in her underbelly (the weakest part of the ship) and was still able to fight. A klingon raptor class scout ship was able to withstand the crushing pressure of a class 9 gas giant for hours.

  • @spartan078ben
    @spartan078ben 5 лет назад

    I wonder if a Holodeck if loaded with all cannon/legends information on Thrawn could replicate his personality and from that his genius. Maybe add Xeno-psychology with an Artistic/Tactical analysis subroutine? The computer of the Enterprise-D once made a sentiant hologram using the personality of a Sherlock Holmes villan.

  • @MORE1500
    @MORE1500 5 лет назад

    T'Pol mentioned that the tactics of the Klingons are crude and they don't adjust well as battle situations change.

  • @carolheward6479
    @carolheward6479 2 года назад

    At the battle of zama scipios legionaries defeated the elephants by allowing them to charge and they opened up channels in their lines to allow the elephants to walk through while they pelted the elephants and their riders with projectiles untill they retreated and actually disrupted hannibals forces as they fled. The numidians were the main reason hannibal lost at zama.

  • @royasturias1784
    @royasturias1784 Год назад

    Imperial Japanese Navy-like, as the BoPs are like the WW2 IJN destroyers nicknamed "Long Lancers"

  • @artembentsionov
    @artembentsionov 4 года назад

    Klingons have been a starfaring race since the 1940s, and yet humans caught up to them in a few centuries... after a global nuclear war and with Vulcans holding back the best tech.
    This goes in line with what that Klingon lawyer told Archer about Klingon society becoming more militarized and focused on honor above all (even the dubious honor of wiping out an unarmed refugee transport), while other professions are seen as lowly and unworthy

  • @paulrasmussen8953
    @paulrasmussen8953 5 лет назад

    Love 5he music. Where did you get it.

  • @barrybend7189
    @barrybend7189 5 лет назад +1

    Now look at Bretai's battle tactics from SDF Macross.

  • @valtersplume3726
    @valtersplume3726 5 лет назад +1

    0:23 the emblem doesn't say anything to me.

  • @teddyd633
    @teddyd633 5 лет назад

    More of this is a must!!

  • @MaxWriter
    @MaxWriter 5 лет назад +1

    Nice.

  • @danmorgan3685
    @danmorgan3685 5 лет назад

    Lets see some Ferengi battle tactics. They'll probably think you mean "bribery" and get themselves killed arguing over how they'll write the terms of the contract.

    • @dragonknightleader1
      @dragonknightleader1 5 лет назад

      They'd be the Florentine Mercenaries of their time, so you're not that far off.

  • @garyrobbins283
    @garyrobbins283 2 года назад

    Thrawn would have a field day against the Klingon's over aggressiveness.

  • @davidburton4582
    @davidburton4582 4 года назад

    Klingons will fight until every last soldier dies.

  • @aiosquadron
    @aiosquadron 2 года назад

    So basically Klingon ships is the blitzkrieger.

  • @Zonday88
    @Zonday88 4 года назад

    the triangular shape is irrelevant. The shape of KDF K'Tinga Class cruisers was inspired by a manta ray and simply flipped 180 degrees.

  • @jinsetayinsei4146
    @jinsetayinsei4146 5 лет назад

    Jeez, is there anyone in the entire freakin Star Trek universe that can out strategize Thrawn?
    Sirna Kolrami: "You called?"
    ... And have won a beauty contest? Anyone?
    Excellent vid on the Klingon Fleet doctrine. Looking forward to future doctrine vids o7

  • @misterlau5246
    @misterlau5246 Год назад

    When talking about old naval battles, they fired from the sides while passing next to an enemy ship. That tactic only front and aft is terrible

  • @followerofjulian1652
    @followerofjulian1652 5 лет назад

    2:23 I don't think so, Hyoomän!

  • @MrBigCookieCrumble
    @MrBigCookieCrumble 5 лет назад +1

    *_'Qapla!!_*
    _Glory to the Empire!_

  • @iona2225
    @iona2225 5 лет назад

    More, more! :D

  • @thehillbillygamer2183
    @thehillbillygamer2183 2 года назад

    Are going on Noble houses like dutchies how to Klingon Noble houses make money remember when Court was married to that Klingon woman that Noble woman how did her house make money or property did they grow crops I mean I'll see another way land can make money unless they had a bunch of dogs kept on it like a Target farm which is basically a pig farm was Klingon pigs

  • @HeadlessChickenTO
    @HeadlessChickenTO 5 лет назад

    Another good anti-Klingon tactic is to use your cheapest ships formup front, rush in past their frontline ships, and ram the hell out of everything in front of you.

  • @TLA77
    @TLA77 5 лет назад

    Cool

  • @richardmartin3243
    @richardmartin3243 5 лет назад

    Would you just jump to warp get point blank right in your face and fire thing you have

  • @SchneeflockeMonsoon
    @SchneeflockeMonsoon 5 лет назад +1

    Thrawn is all knowing. One need only know how to speak his language.

    • @JeanLucCaptain
      @JeanLucCaptain 5 лет назад

      His language is BOSS😎. Chiss Chess Cool Club