Sadly I have someone in my playgroup that a lot of people don’t want to play with anymore since they’ll play powerful decks and then get butthurt and complain to everyone else in the store when you pull out your deck to match theirs
@@st.patrickstar3701 my friend Isaiah has her, a $20k urza and the new vorinklex as a superfriends deck. Hes in the process of building breya bomber. You can see why I run grand arbiter
All my friends groan when my Tinybones deck comes out.. its beautiful. Who wants to have cards in their hand when they play Magic? Their tears sustain me.
I built one, my playgroup plays around 5-8 power levels out of 10, they considered it a 10, while playing against either white blue, and other very strong cards
I enjoy playing against tinybones, I've beaten him before with a mono white deck. Now Tergrid on the otherhand is beyond power level 10, a proper Tergrid deck literally makes the game unplayable for everyone not playing tergrid
I didn’t understand the social contract in EDH when I first started playing, so my first commander was Numot. Turns out people don’t like having their land blown up. 😂
Numot is fun! Gotta have that rule 0 so that everyone knows what’s coming. As long as you’re not running Armageddon land destruction is okay in my book.
Lmfao 😂 your like I was so shocked when they flipped the table after blowing up lands for the 5th time in one night 🤣🤣 land destruction is so mean so funny at the same time
@@murphyspell7125 hmm, hard to armchair that one. It’s effectively Armageddon but it has several component parts so it’s a little better in my book. I’d say as long as you had a game plan to win within three turns that’d be okay to pull. Otherwise you might get a delay of game penalty from your friends 😂
I've had my Narset Deck for YEARS, I'll never dismantle it because when it was first built as huge token generating deck, I had assistance from a Friend who has unfortunately since passed away due to stomach cancer. I have massively altered it since to become the beast of a deck it is now and I play it vary rarely with the whole consent of the table. Yes it does mean that I have a huge target on my back but that's the risk and joy of the challenge of now playing it.
@@kieranheaton4951 Butch (That was his Nickname) had many decks himself where he would just go off and have very long turns in which he would then just go......"and I win" This deck is an exceptionally fitting tribute to him now.
I've played against a top notch narset multiple times. Perfect pretty mana base, foil og spells and time walk effects. A true sight to see. Can't forget the wheels and twister!
I have a Narset deck, but other than that, I use most of the cards mentioned here as win cons part of the 99 instead of as actual commanders. Prevents a lot of salt and helps close out games.
It's funny because my friends love my avacyn deck. I built it mostly as angel tribal, where I just want to build a big unstoppable board. I only run 3 or 4 wraths (the standard) and I do run MLD, but my friends don't hate it because if it resolves they just accept that I win, and also because I run only 2 or 3 MLD cards in the deck and run no tutors, so it's not one of those "it happens every game" situation. It's one of my most ethical and fun friendly decks.
I started with Kaldheim, and Tergrid was one of the first cards I got from my display. Always pained me that it will probably never find it's way into a deck, but that's probably better than playing Magic with people you dislike enough to use her:D
@@MisterJ355 I 100% agree. Tergrid was the first commander deck that I built from scratch and my playgroup doesnt let me play it because they have been swayed by mitch's constant whining about the card. Its dumb af
My philosophy is, if you have an archetype of deck thats mean, make it as close to Cedh as possible, so that no one can complain when you all agree to bust out the high power levels. I love tinybones, but discarding is no fun to vs, so i’m working on slowly upgrading it with cards like ancient tomb and mana crypt one day.
Part of why i enjoy Cedh (Competitive commander) it's "casual" enough that it's still a 3-4-5 player game but everyone's aiming to actually WIN the game through some method that either makes everyone else concede (Dranith Magistrate and Knowledge Pool) or something that actually "Wins the game". Thassa's Oracle ended up being so easy to win with it became "the way to win" my LGS rule 0 banned it from tournament play. Alot of these commanders (while they are not "fun" to play against) they end up easily getting "shut down" or take too long to "setup".
I came from playing YuGiOh, so cards like Tinybones and, to a lesser degree, Tergrid don't upset me since there's still interaction. Lot of the time in YuGiOh it's either 'break my 5 negate board/survive my turn 1 or gg.' Not a lot of counter play or interaction. Vorniclex seems less fun
Similar experience here as another former yugioh locals player. With some of the hard lock boards we have to deal with, I guess we can risk getting jaded to what would break a social contract for EDH
It was especially bad during the time when Vanity’s Emptiness was legal in Yugioh. It actually felt like, opponent won coin flip. Opponent made an oppressive board. Opponent flipped Vanity’s. GG
I really don't get all the hate about specific playstyles in EDH at all. Commander is about having fun and expressing yourself so if you want to play stax because it's a completely fine and fair way to play Magic. You should be allowed to. My largest gripe with EDH is how often people get targeted for playing stax because I firmly believe it's not only overhated, but healthy for the format and fun. Having a unique set of restrictions to work around makes the game more fun. Don't even get me started on the "no removal" rules people make.
My brother has a fairly brutal (at least compared to what the rest of my playgroup has) Control deck. He always used to say that his deck wasn't even that strong, and we are just being whiny when we complained about it. Then he handed it to me and played against his own deck. Haven't heard the word "whiny" come out of his mouth since.
I play xanathar but I don’t have any wincons myself and since I almost never become archenemy, I use other people’s decks to find answers to help all of us and my playgroup doesn’t seem to mind when it goes like that.
I play in a group that has a tergrid deck and I think it’s fun to play against. They have to work for it, tergrid dies to removal constantly, but if they fight through it and start going off, then it’s fun having the table fight to discard or sacrifice instants, sorceries and land cards to try and deny them any real power while we bide our time. I don’t think it should be banned at all, that would be a shame. And we would still let them play it anyways. There are a lot of sensitive players out there I suppose.
Play EDH long enough and you're bound to encounter one of the commanders featured in this vid...and it's at that time that a portion of the players at the table "suddenly" remember they have to run an important errand or that they accidentally forgot that they left their stove on at home...lol
I dont have a problem with any commander. You wanna tell me these manders are far too cheesy when its turn 4 and you have 7 mana production and 6 creatures out? I exaggerate but thousands and I mean thousands of things in magic are cheesy and not even fun to win with. People can play whatever they want
People need to stop hating on Tergrid. People who run Tergrid decks are beatable, and not just when the entire table gets triggered and targets that one player. Just think up of strategies that can beat her. I mean it is a strategy game, right?
Either Commanders for jerks or Commanders for those who are ignorant. The first deck I put together was a Sen Triplet deck...I had no clue she was considered salty.
How is Jhoira deck solitare ? I have build it up and yes you play a ton of 0 mana artifacts but that doesnt take any time. My turn is in fact much faster than other players turn because i play 1-30 artifacts, draw 1-30 cards in like 2-5 minutes and say go. Rather than stare at the table figuring out what to do with my other deck when i have just 1 removal for 10 problematic permanents and also i want to develop my board and figure out if i can get out with not playing the removal.
If you want an unpleasant to play against experience, Proteus Staff Talrand can dig for Jin-Gitaxias. Have fun realizing that if you've got no creatures left in your deck, you can just re-order your deck with Proteus Staff, and Jin draws 7. I think we can all figure it out from 7 card tutor...
I don't see a problem with any commander. I love to play commander and if I played the same vanilla decks on repeat I would go nuts. You built a spicey deck? Hell to the yeah, watch me cream it or die trying. And if this deck can not beat it? I bet this one can.....
I build an muldrotha/umbris deck where I mill-exile or direct exile all opponents decks, those combo pieces and extra turn spells. I love it but I awlways also feel bad when i play it! xD
This is an issue i have with my Razaketh the foul blooded deck. Once Razaketh was out other players didnt realise it but i had already won.... you have removal? Instant speed sac for everafter that can go back into my deck. You have creatures? I will endlessly loop murderous rider or get archfiend of despair. The deck was unbelievably oppressive and its only saving grace was one of its two win conditions was really janky and involved me using liches mastery to get to zero life and then using repay in kind
Since everyone know exactly what kind of deck Tergrid is, it as a huge target on its back. For this reason, I usually have a secret commander/lieutnant in most of my deck. For exemple, you could build a tiny bones deck including all the mass draw/discard you can find and a few tutor to go and fetch Tergrid.
I built a Satsuki deck that’s designed to cast enchantments and sagas like rapid fire, with draw card advantage and massive token generation. It’s so combo heavy that it takes me a while to finish my turn and I’m going as fast as I can. It also doesn’t help that I’m running Brilliant Restoration, Resurgent Belief, and Triumphant Reckoning to bring back those Enchantments they keep board wiping off.
A game of "who's degenerate deck is worse" is often a great use for these commanders. It tends to be more on the funny end of gameplay, vs fun and engaging, but it's a great way to end a night, or just for giggles.
Honestly its mostly how the deck is built or played. Baral doesn't have to be nothing but counterspells. He would be fine for a blue spellslinger deck.
I have vorinclex and tergrid in the 99 of a deck as big threats/wincons to reanimate. Much less salt that way, as they are more tools than salt mines. Honestly they should bring back banned as commander and get some of the ones that are fine as the 99 but not as the commander
I had never heard of stacks when I built Derevi as a counters deck. Someone came over and said, "Oh, you are playing a cheaty commander." I broke up the deck and stopped playing with that group very shortly after.
yeah. people should chill out and see the deck in action. so lame when people just project their image of a deck onto everybody else who plays that commander.
@@murphyspell7125 1) Thanks. 2) I think my reaction was a culmination of many negative interactions I'd had with that playgroup. 3) Gives me a chance to rebuild it even better. ("Always look on the bright side of life," to quote Monty Python.)
We should pick the 6 worst from this list and call them the sinister 6. My picks in no particular order are Vorinclex, Narset, Grand Arbiter, Tergrid, Sin Triplets and Derevi.
I use Gaddock Teeg as a meta choice card in my deck. There is so much extra turn decks where I play Gaddock Teeg it helps shut them down hard. If I don't have it in play by turn 3 I usually wait 20-30 min before taking a 4th turn while 2 other people take 2-3 turns each. I remember someone complained about how me having Gaddock Teeg made their hand unplayable. Near the end of the game I saw their hand and they had 4 extra turn spells they could never cast. I don't care if I am a jerk for playing it if your strategy is to take 5 turns to my 1.
Tergrid is super nasty, I play her in MTGO a lot and I need to make sure people know I am playing her before they join, or they just immediately leave. It usually ends up being 1v3 regardless, which is fun in and of itself :D
Narset is fine. Natset extra turns is not. I have designed (have yet to physically build) a Jeskai deck centered around noncreature spells. The deck is designed to use one of 3 commanders with the other two in the 99. Narset is one of the 3 along with Kykar, the Wind's Fury and Sevine the Chronoclasm. There is no top-deck manipulation, extra turns, or extra combat. Just value from casting noncreature spells.
Removing all of my opponent's threats and making it so that they can not achieve their strategy is my favourite way of playing the game. Sadly many people don't like that.
Maybe it says something about my last experience playing that I want to build a Tergrid deck with butcher of makakir, Sheoldreth, grave betrayal, edict effects, and discard, just to take it back to that last group.
maralen + agent + ob nixilis is nasty. basically "at the begining of each aponants upkeep, they lose 13 life, sacrifice a creature, and puts a +1/+1 counter on ob nixilis unshackled, you search their library for any card, exile it, you may cast that card and spend mana as if it were mana of any color to cast that spell" oh, and shorthand "each aponant quits the game"
As the resident “Mr.TinyBones” of my lgs yes he is hated and he is surprisingly powerful and damn do i love it when the table tells me its not cedh viable and then scoops turn 3
@@murphyspell7125 I have a really cool proxy of him from mtgblackcore. Though I don't even have the vampire deck anymore, there's no point if you already know you're gonna be focused down. For good reason too ofc 😂
There is one other gimmicky way to play Maralen This is otherwise known as...Maralen the Troll (TCGplayer Prices) Maralen of the Mornsong $21.99 Glacial Chasm $4.36 Ad Nauseum $9.98 Sickening Dreams $0.25 96 Swamps (If you have enough) Total $36.58 (If you don't include basic lands) ALWAYS wins on turn 5 if your opponents aren't aware of what you're up to
@@murphyspell7125 and the best part...it is a budget deck that only works (once/person)/playgroup budget in the terms of...you only need to worry about the 4 key cards (Only cards that takes up most of the budget are Maralen and Ad Nauseum)
Jhoira has become my favorite deck, but it really upsets many ppl in the tournaments I go, sometimes I have to face 3 vs 1, but I find satisfying when I can pull a win in those situations.
Easily one of the meanest decks I’ve played against Umbris, Fear Manifest. He gets a +1/+1 counter for every card an opponent exiles and whenever a Horror or Nightmare enter the battlefield a target opponent exiles cards until they exile a land card. Just overall not fun to play against.
Out of the listed decks, I'd want to build Derevi and Tinybones - I'd probably be doing just an evasive deck with Derevi without stax pieces and try to tap/untap cards that can tap for more than 1 mana into instant speed big spells during Combat (maybe put in a Kruphix or Horizon Stone to keep my mana between phases) or maybe a Helix Pinnacle wincon Tinybones... I want to see how a discard deck looks, because it does use cards that other decks don't want to touch with a 10ft pole I have Painful Quandary in my Liesa deck and it's okay, it's kind of heavy in there, and in that deck most of the time I'm just punishing my opponents for casting spells, healing or preventing certain actions like via Containment Priest or Aven Mindcensor. And I also have some swords in there too to smack people harder
Hey everyone. You do know you don't necessarily have to go all in with one strategy... For example I have a Nekusar deck and people in my LGS always assume I run all wheel effects when in reality it has 0. Be creative, have some imagination. Good day. And yes, I still win with it.
Hehehehe you mentioned the Seinfeld deck. It's a deck about doing nothing. And immediately after is one I'm building... I mean I plan to build a "fair" magic commander with it but....
Hey could you make a Zagras pinger budget deck? One of my friends made a budget deck with it and had a way to steal all of our creatures he killed and I thought it was very interesting.
My favorite deck is my Grand Arbiter Deck and its based around advisors, with persistent petitioner and bruvac for a big mill theme and not a stacks type deck! Try it!
I want to have a Narset deck, but with one rule which will be - No extra turns - No extra combat - No mass lands destruction But I will make a deck with many mana rocks, so I can play Narset around turn 3. I also want to have a lot of big noncreature spells. I think that's fair🙂
You CAN play Tergrid or Narset and don't be a jerk. Just don't use cards that make your opponents discard or sacrifice, or do a group hug with Narset. With praetors you are simply a straightforward jerk because you can't stop their abilities from doing their thing. Oh, and for Maralen, have you heard of Thrumming Stone and Pack Rats/Shadowborn Apostle? BTW, my jerk deck is Fynn. Killing all opponents at once on turn 5? Why not!
My Narset deck has no extra turn spells in it at all. I may have to give it a work over but if I do it still won't. (My Avacyn deck doesn't have Armageddon but does have World slayer...)
Guile in Baral is gross. Not only do you counter their spells, you then get to cast those spells for free Sen Triplets with helm of the host and the new Sakashima is great. You get to play all opponents decks
In my opinion, people should have one “jerk” deck to bring out when there’s that one person in a group who doesn’t understand how to play nicely
Sadly I have someone in my playgroup that a lot of people don’t want to play with anymore since they’ll play powerful decks and then get butthurt and complain to everyone else in the store when you pull out your deck to match theirs
And that is the reason I have grand arbiter in my arsenal. Puts people in their place lol
You are right
@@jakemorse7232 I use tergrid for these situations
@@st.patrickstar3701 my friend Isaiah has her, a $20k urza and the new vorinklex as a superfriends deck. Hes in the process of building breya bomber. You can see why I run grand arbiter
Secretly, Mitch wants us to play these.
Mitch has a thing for chaos.
psssshhh @ Secretly.
If you gift him one or two he may there's still time for Christmas hay Christmas chaos never had a nicer ring to it.
All my friends groan when my Tinybones deck comes out.. its beautiful. Who wants to have cards in their hand when they play Magic? Their tears sustain me.
Do you have a list of cards in your tinybones deck! Would love to build it
I built one, my playgroup plays around 5-8 power levels out of 10, they considered it a 10, while playing against either white blue, and other very strong cards
Yeah I get it. Life sucks too much and you gotta get your rocks off somehow.
I enjoy playing against tinybones, I've beaten him before with a mono white deck. Now Tergrid on the otherhand is beyond power level 10, a proper Tergrid deck literally makes the game unplayable for everyone not playing tergrid
I didn’t understand the social contract in EDH when I first started playing, so my first commander was Numot. Turns out people don’t like having their land blown up. 😂
Numot is fun! Gotta have that rule 0 so that everyone knows what’s coming. As long as you’re not running Armageddon land destruction is okay in my book.
Lmfao 😂 your like I was so shocked when they flipped the table after blowing up lands for the 5th time in one night 🤣🤣 land destruction is so mean so funny at the same time
@@xarexare2 what about Toxrill, Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, and Kormus Bell?
@@murphyspell7125 hmm, hard to armchair that one. It’s effectively Armageddon but it has several component parts so it’s a little better in my book. I’d say as long as you had a game plan to win within three turns that’d be okay to pull. Otherwise you might get a delay of game penalty from your friends 😂
@@murphyspell7125three-piece wincon? Fair
I've had my Narset Deck for YEARS, I'll never dismantle it because when it was first built as huge token generating deck, I had assistance from a Friend who has unfortunately since passed away due to stomach cancer. I have massively altered it since to become the beast of a deck it is now and I play it vary rarely with the whole consent of the table. Yes it does mean that I have a huge target on my back but that's the risk and joy of the challenge of now playing it.
I hope you keep their memory alive Everytime you go off in the board
I’m sorry for your loss. I wouldn’t take it apart either!
@@kieranheaton4951 Butch (That was his Nickname) had many decks himself where he would just go off and have very long turns in which he would then just go......"and I win"
This deck is an exceptionally fitting tribute to him now.
I've played against a top notch narset multiple times. Perfect pretty mana base, foil og spells and time walk effects. A true sight to see. Can't forget the wheels and twister!
You could also play it as archenemy, that would be wild.
Me: *sees video title
Also me: *gets notepad
I have a Narset deck, but other than that, I use most of the cards mentioned here as win cons part of the 99 instead of as actual commanders. Prevents a lot of salt and helps close out games.
Narsets cool and since she became a planeswalker she won't have another creature itteration.
I built a narset deck revolving around scrambleverse, goblin game, and other ridiculous effects. was probably my most fun deck.
It's funny because my friends love my avacyn deck. I built it mostly as angel tribal, where I just want to build a big unstoppable board. I only run 3 or 4 wraths (the standard) and I do run MLD, but my friends don't hate it because if it resolves they just accept that I win, and also because I run only 2 or 3 MLD cards in the deck and run no tutors, so it's not one of those "it happens every game" situation. It's one of my most ethical and fun friendly decks.
I would love to see the Decklist... 🥺
As an owner of a tirgrid deck I can confirm and I love it
Same.
I started with Kaldheim, and Tergrid was one of the first cards I got from my display. Always pained me that it will probably never find it's way into a deck, but that's probably better than playing Magic with people you dislike enough to use her:D
Just toss Tergrid in the 99. I couldn't pass up putting it in my Thraximundar deck..
I don't understand people who complain about cards... My play group allows everything including the ban list
Toss her in as your commander, my table plays with target removal, you can have fun, just find the right play group
@@MisterJ355 I 100% agree. Tergrid was the first commander deck that I built from scratch and my playgroup doesnt let me play it because they have been swayed by mitch's constant whining about the card. Its dumb af
A friend of mine plays her with some group hug draw cards in order to minimise the salt, it works well.
I will definitely not be taking notes
My philosophy is, if you have an archetype of deck thats mean, make it as close to Cedh as possible, so that no one can complain when you all agree to bust out the high power levels. I love tinybones, but discarding is no fun to vs, so i’m working on slowly upgrading it with cards like ancient tomb and mana crypt one day.
Part of why i enjoy Cedh (Competitive commander) it's "casual" enough that it's still a 3-4-5 player game but everyone's aiming to actually WIN the game through some method that either makes everyone else concede (Dranith Magistrate and Knowledge Pool) or something that actually "Wins the game". Thassa's Oracle ended up being so easy to win with it became "the way to win" my LGS rule 0 banned it from tournament play. Alot of these commanders (while they are not "fun" to play against) they end up easily getting "shut down" or take too long to "setup".
cedh is the natural meta of edh. the rest is just 4 player kitchen table magic
I came from playing YuGiOh, so cards like Tinybones and, to a lesser degree, Tergrid don't upset me since there's still interaction. Lot of the time in YuGiOh it's either 'break my 5 negate board/survive my turn 1 or gg.' Not a lot of counter play or interaction. Vorniclex seems less fun
Similar experience here as another former yugioh locals player. With some of the hard lock boards we have to deal with, I guess we can risk getting jaded to what would break a social contract for EDH
It was especially bad during the time when Vanity’s Emptiness was legal in Yugioh. It actually felt like, opponent won coin flip. Opponent made an oppressive board. Opponent flipped Vanity’s. GG
Vorinclex is an 8 mana ramp that also stax a bit the bord.
Please, dont play it as a commander, it is so bad
I have a question, Mitch... Should we blame Eddie if our playgroups get a bit salty when we destroy them by playing with one of the commanders?
I feel called out.
I really don't get all the hate about specific playstyles in EDH at all. Commander is about having fun and expressing yourself so if you want to play stax because it's a completely fine and fair way to play Magic. You should be allowed to. My largest gripe with EDH is how often people get targeted for playing stax because I firmly believe it's not only overhated, but healthy for the format and fun. Having a unique set of restrictions to work around makes the game more fun. Don't even get me started on the "no removal" rules people make.
I'd run a Library of Leng with a Tinybones discard deck, just for that extra added salt.
My brother has a fairly brutal (at least compared to what the rest of my playgroup has) Control deck. He always used to say that his deck wasn't even that strong, and we are just being whiny when we complained about it. Then he handed it to me and played against his own deck. Haven't heard the word "whiny" come out of his mouth since.
I play xanathar but I don’t have any wincons myself and since I almost never become archenemy, I use other people’s decks to find answers to help all of us and my playgroup doesn’t seem to mind when it goes like that.
I am now thinking of combining Tergrid and Tinybones and just flipflop them as commanders.
Honestly I love the mean decks, I wouldn’t want to play against only them whenever I play but that goes with any deck.
Commanders for jerks :
*stares at deckboxes with all of them built nervously*
I play in a group that has a tergrid deck and I think it’s fun to play against. They have to work for it, tergrid dies to removal constantly, but if they fight through it and start going off, then it’s fun having the table fight to discard or sacrifice instants, sorceries and land cards to try and deny them any real power while we bide our time. I don’t think it should be banned at all, that would be a shame. And we would still let them play it anyways. There are a lot of sensitive players out there I suppose.
Play EDH long enough and you're bound to encounter one of the commanders featured in this vid...and it's at that time that a portion of the players at the table "suddenly" remember they have to run an important errand or that they accidentally forgot that they left their stove on at home...lol
I dont have a problem with any commander. You wanna tell me these manders are far too cheesy when its turn 4 and you have 7 mana production and 6 creatures out? I exaggerate but thousands and I mean thousands of things in magic are cheesy and not even fun to win with. People can play whatever they want
My first deck was Salt Bae (Tergrid) and when my play group got over it I made a Maralen STAX deck. Sorry not sorry.
Imagining Mitch going on IHYD with 1 of these.
People need to stop hating on Tergrid. People who run Tergrid decks are beatable, and not just when the entire table gets triggered and targets that one player. Just think up of strategies that can beat her. I mean it is a strategy game, right?
Either Commanders for jerks or Commanders for those who are ignorant. The first deck I put together was a Sen Triplet deck...I had no clue she was considered salty.
How is Jhoira deck solitare ? I have build it up and yes you play a ton of 0 mana artifacts but that doesnt take any time. My turn is in fact much faster than other players turn because i play 1-30 artifacts, draw 1-30 cards in like 2-5 minutes and say go. Rather than stare at the table figuring out what to do with my other deck when i have just 1 removal for 10 problematic permanents and also i want to develop my board and figure out if i can get out with not playing the removal.
if only i hadn’t built my first commander deck as a narset deck just recently without knowing it was so hated
Well one of my friends built a Narset deck and everyone loves it because it's a form of the dragon/dinosaur deck
@@Kristjan0209 oh yeah, it's not an extra turn deck, it's mostly a Voltron/control deck but people might get scared when they see the narset
If you want an unpleasant to play against experience, Proteus Staff Talrand can dig for Jin-Gitaxias. Have fun realizing that if you've got no creatures left in your deck, you can just re-order your deck with Proteus Staff, and Jin draws 7. I think we can all figure it out from 7 card tutor...
My partner has a Narset deck made up almost entirely of planeswalkers and can confirm it is a nightmare to play against.
I literally just finished building my Tergrid deck, and playing against some friends, they refuse to play again 😅
I don't see a problem with any commander. I love to play commander and if I played the same vanilla decks on repeat I would go nuts. You built a spicey deck? Hell to the yeah, watch me cream it or die trying. And if this deck can not beat it? I bet this one can.....
My play group allows degenerate decks. But you cant just play it against any deck. Usually we have 1 or 2 jerk games then go for our other decks
I build an muldrotha/umbris deck where I mill-exile or direct exile all opponents decks, those combo pieces and extra turn spells.
I love it but I awlways also feel bad when i play it! xD
Commander's Quarters Drinking Game Rules:
-Drink every time he says "well"
That's the only rule. Even just this rule borders on being dangerous.
This is an issue i have with my Razaketh the foul blooded deck. Once Razaketh was out other players didnt realise it but i had already won.... you have removal? Instant speed sac for everafter that can go back into my deck. You have creatures? I will endlessly loop murderous rider or get archfiend of despair. The deck was unbelievably oppressive and its only saving grace was one of its two win conditions was really janky and involved me using liches mastery to get to zero life and then using repay in kind
Since everyone know exactly what kind of deck Tergrid is, it as a huge target on its back. For this reason, I usually have a secret commander/lieutnant in most of my deck. For exemple, you could build a tiny bones deck including all the mass draw/discard you can find and a few tutor to go and fetch Tergrid.
I built a Satsuki deck that’s designed to cast enchantments and sagas like rapid fire, with draw card advantage and massive token generation. It’s so combo heavy that it takes me a while to finish my turn and I’m going as fast as I can. It also doesn’t help that I’m running Brilliant Restoration, Resurgent Belief, and Triumphant Reckoning to bring back those Enchantments they keep board wiping off.
Oh boy! Time to take one of these in a group hug direction!
I play Tergrid and I'd like to think that I'm a relatively well adjusted individual.
A game of "who's degenerate deck is worse" is often a great use for these commanders. It tends to be more on the funny end of gameplay, vs fun and engaging, but it's a great way to end a night, or just for giggles.
Honestly its mostly how the deck is built or played. Baral doesn't have to be nothing but counterspells. He would be fine for a blue spellslinger deck.
I have vorinclex and tergrid in the 99 of a deck as big threats/wincons to reanimate. Much less salt that way, as they are more tools than salt mines. Honestly they should bring back banned as commander and get some of the ones that are fine as the 99 but not as the commander
I had never heard of stacks when I built Derevi as a counters deck. Someone came over and said, "Oh, you are playing a cheaty commander."
I broke up the deck and stopped playing with that group very shortly after.
yeah. people should chill out and see the deck in action. so lame when people just project their image of a deck onto everybody else who plays that commander.
You acted too soon. Damn what others think of or say about YOUR deck...they don't own it or have to pilot it...
@@murphyspell7125 1) Thanks. 2) I think my reaction was a culmination of many negative interactions I'd had with that playgroup. 3) Gives me a chance to rebuild it even better. ("Always look on the bright side of life," to quote Monty Python.)
I have 2 of the 4 in the thumbnail as Commanders. I feel personally attacked. 🤣
We should pick the 6 worst from this list and call them the sinister 6. My picks in no particular order are Vorinclex, Narset, Grand Arbiter, Tergrid, Sin Triplets and Derevi.
I use Gaddock Teeg as a meta choice card in my deck. There is so much extra turn decks where I play Gaddock Teeg it helps shut them down hard. If I don't have it in play by turn 3 I usually wait 20-30 min before taking a 4th turn while 2 other people take 2-3 turns each. I remember someone complained about how me having Gaddock Teeg made their hand unplayable. Near the end of the game I saw their hand and they had 4 extra turn spells they could never cast. I don't care if I am a jerk for playing it if your strategy is to take 5 turns to my 1.
Tergrid is super nasty, I play her in MTGO a lot and I need to make sure people know I am playing her before they join, or they just immediately leave. It usually ends up being 1v3 regardless, which is fun in and of itself :D
I love how he tells us to not play this while telling us EXACTLY how to make them more obnoxious to play against.
Narset is fine. Natset extra turns is not.
I have designed (have yet to physically build) a Jeskai deck centered around noncreature spells.
The deck is designed to use one of 3 commanders with the other two in the 99. Narset is one of the 3 along with Kykar, the Wind's Fury and Sevine the Chronoclasm.
There is no top-deck manipulation, extra turns, or extra combat. Just value from casting noncreature spells.
I use tergrid tinybones maralen along with teferi's puzzle box to round it out and sen triplets in a different deck 😆
I have a Vorinclex deck but it's basically a stompy hit you in the face deck and don't run any of the other stax cards unless my buddy runs his Tegrid
Removing all of my opponent's threats and making it so that they can not achieve their strategy is my favourite way of playing the game.
Sadly many people don't like that.
Facts I did a discard strategy with neheb and people really hated that once set up I just applied a small chokehold on the board by resource denial
Maybe it says something about my last experience playing that I want to build a Tergrid deck with butcher of makakir, Sheoldreth, grave betrayal, edict effects, and discard, just to take it back to that last group.
People seem to have bad memories with Sen Triplets. Nowadays its totally fair and not anywhere broken.
maralen + agent + ob nixilis is nasty.
basically "at the begining of each aponants upkeep, they lose 13 life, sacrifice a creature, and puts a +1/+1 counter on ob nixilis unshackled, you search their library for any card, exile it, you may cast that card and spend mana as if it were mana of any color to cast that spell"
oh, and shorthand "each aponant quits the game"
My only two decks that aren't pre-cons are Narset and Joira. It wasn't even on purpose to mean, I just built decks that I thought were powerful.
As the resident “Mr.TinyBones” of my lgs yes he is hated and he is surprisingly powerful and damn do i love it when the table tells me its not cedh viable and then scoops turn 3
I find it funny that most of these decks are mono-colored which classic wisdom say it’s weak
I always said Vorinclex players aren't there to win, they're there to make you suffer.
I play both Vorinclex and Jin-Gitaxias in my Animar deck. Good times.
With umbris your opponents can say no more to library searching, topdecking, and graveyards
in my playgroup, it's edgar markov, that eminence is nasty.
Explaining his pricetag...
@@murphyspell7125 I have a really cool proxy of him from mtgblackcore. Though I don't even have the vampire deck anymore, there's no point if you already know you're gonna be focused down. For good reason too ofc 😂
Ah yes blim,the comedic genius.
Grand arbiter persistent petitioners deck is pretty neat and one that you don’t expect when you see him
There is one other gimmicky way to play Maralen This is otherwise known as...Maralen the Troll (TCGplayer Prices)
Maralen of the Mornsong $21.99
Glacial Chasm $4.36
Ad Nauseum $9.98
Sickening Dreams $0.25
96 Swamps (If you have enough)
Total $36.58 (If you don't include basic lands)
ALWAYS wins on turn 5 if your opponents aren't aware of what you're up to
*furiously takes notes*
It's a one trick pony in most playgrounds. You win once, then the deck is almost unplayable as your opponents know your ONE TRICK
@@murphyspell7125 and the best part...it is a budget deck that only works (once/person)/playgroup
budget in the terms of...you only need to worry about the 4 key cards (Only cards that takes up most of the budget are Maralen and Ad Nauseum)
Jhoira has become my favorite deck, but it really upsets many ppl in the tournaments I go, sometimes I have to face 3 vs 1, but I find satisfying when I can pull a win in those situations.
Easily one of the meanest decks I’ve played against Umbris, Fear Manifest. He gets a +1/+1 counter for every card an opponent exiles and whenever a Horror or Nightmare enter the battlefield a target opponent exiles cards until they exile a land card. Just overall not fun to play against.
Out of the listed decks, I'd want to build Derevi and Tinybones - I'd probably be doing just an evasive deck with Derevi without stax pieces and try to tap/untap cards that can tap for more than 1 mana into instant speed big spells during Combat (maybe put in a Kruphix or Horizon Stone to keep my mana between phases) or maybe a Helix Pinnacle wincon
Tinybones... I want to see how a discard deck looks, because it does use cards that other decks don't want to touch with a 10ft pole
I have Painful Quandary in my Liesa deck and it's okay, it's kind of heavy in there, and in that deck most of the time I'm just punishing my opponents for casting spells, healing or preventing certain actions like via Containment Priest or Aven Mindcensor. And I also have some swords in there too to smack people harder
Oh lord, so many fun police.
My first deck was pako and Haldan. Bought it, then put a bunch of fun copy stuff. My meanest deck
Hey everyone. You do know you don't necessarily have to go all in with one strategy... For example I have a Nekusar deck and people in my LGS always assume I run all wheel effects when in reality it has 0. Be creative, have some imagination. Good day.
And yes, I still win with it.
You forgot about Thasa. The ability to search your opponent's library and stealing their stuff can get annoying. Especially with agent of treachery.
Is it bad that i play alot of these cards in my prismatic bridge deck?
My lowest TCGPlayer market price is currently $1.94 for my Fifth Dawn printing. Playing me in your deck makes you at least 10% cooler.
Hehehehe you mentioned the Seinfeld deck. It's a deck about doing nothing.
And immediately after is one I'm building... I mean I plan to build a "fair" magic commander with it but....
Hey could you make a Zagras pinger budget deck? One of my friends made a budget deck with it and had a way to steal all of our creatures he killed and I thought it was very interesting.
People always assume narset plays turns. Narset storm is a very strong, cedh level, dark horse.
My favorite deck is my Grand Arbiter Deck and its based around advisors, with persistent petitioner and bruvac for a big mill theme and not a stacks type deck! Try it!
Gaddock Teeg is the bane of my existence for my homemade Zaxara X deck!!
happy owner of Merfolk Tap/Untap shenanigans tribal Derevi here :) (sure, it runs Opposition and Glare of Subdual, but that's about it)
Huh... most of my play group play everything but maybe 1 or 2 of these cards/decks. I'm not surprised it isn't very fun.
I've got a T&T hatebears list. It's got Tergrid, Vorinclex, Jin, Gaddock Teeg. I guess I'm missing Sen Triplets.
Hey Mitch. Is there anywhere I can you something to say thank you for the content. It’s my unique foil sleeves.
You could build a mono red oneshot deck to deal with those pesky player... Jeska+Dargo with a bunch of sac fodder should be a fun answer
I want to have a Narset deck, but with one rule which will be
- No extra turns
- No extra combat
- No mass lands destruction
But I will make a deck with many mana rocks, so I can play Narset around turn 3. I also want to have a lot of big noncreature spells. I think that's fair🙂
Do a version of of close quarters where you all use these
Kaervek, The Merciless is watching with interest and taking notes.
You CAN play Tergrid or Narset and don't be a jerk. Just don't use cards that make your opponents discard or sacrifice, or do a group hug with Narset. With praetors you are simply a straightforward jerk because you can't stop their abilities from doing their thing. Oh, and for Maralen, have you heard of Thrumming Stone and Pack Rats/Shadowborn Apostle? BTW, my jerk deck is Fynn. Killing all opponents at once on turn 5? Why not!
Tergrid should never be banned when there are even worse things
I have a vornclex voice of hunger deck and I don’t feeel like a jerk at all. Their are many cards to help prevent them from not coming out or anything
My Derevi helms a Merfolk tribal deck. And yeah... still pretty crazy.
Surprised that my new bro Umbris isn't here. The guy is very well loved at our meta's table
My lgs hate my pirate deck and many refuse to play vs it.
Hahah thats the reason i took apart admital becket brass
Whats your commander
My Narset deck has no extra turn spells in it at all. I may have to give it a work over but if I do it still won't. (My Avacyn deck doesn't have Armageddon but does have World slayer...)
Guile in Baral is gross. Not only do you counter their spells, you then get to cast those spells for free
Sen Triplets with helm of the host and the new Sakashima is great. You get to play all opponents decks