This video is worth it for the moment that Beezy realizes Urza is a narcissistic jerk who's responsible for like 80% of the most horrible things in MTG lore
The most absurd 1st turn I ever saw was from a Tergrid player. They went 1st. Swamp, dark ritual, jeweled lotus. Cast Tergrid, use the last black to thoughtseize the person to my left, pull a jin-gitaxias, Core Augur. Yeah, that's pretty much game. Nobody had a 1 mana response first time around the table.
I don't think Sen Triplets is a kill-on-sight commander, at least from my experience. Sen Triplets is a kill-its-owner-on-sight commander. The one time I borrowed a Sen Triplets deck just to try it out, I was archenemy from turn ONE! Never played with or against it ever again.
Is it really that bad? I'm currently trying to make a "steal your opponents' stuff" deck with sen triplets as the commander, but i don't want my playgroup to cast me out xD at first sight it doesn't seem that horrible: i'm still spending my own mana on my own turn, and i might not even have the proper lands. it's like a mix of discard and shitty impulse draw, isn't it?
Thank you Mia for mentioning that Telepathy says opponents play with their hands revealed. Beezy has said multiple times in the past how the card is a slog because everyone has perfect information, which made me avoid the card. That is, until I read it again more carefully, and saw that only I get perfect information, and everyone else is guessing my hand.
Actually use blinkmoth infusion over Draco in Yuriko since it can be grabbed by Arcane Tutor and stacked with Mystic Sanctuary, and refer to it as Brickmoth because yeah, its used just as a brick.
Tergrid was actually one of the first commanders I ever built oddly enough (mostly because I just had a bunch of bulk discard and sacrifice cards so I could make it for cheap) but some of my favourites in that deck are oppression and painful quandary just as passive advantage, as well as bottomless pit, make an example, torment of hail fire, archfiend of depravity, desolation, braids arisen nightmare, living death, tainted æther, pox, and chains of Mephistopheles. (Geier reach sanitarium and pelakka predation/caverns are great utility lands/MDFC’s :))
@@jamesmackes4531 Yeah so when I first made the deck it was all bulk but then I started proxying cards to upgrade it. Definitely cannot afford a real chains of mephistopholes
I own a tergrid deck that i play quite often, don't actually play the majority of the cards mentioned. I prefer an enchantment stax-y approach to give the table choices, like painful quandry and oppression. I do only play it into the high power pods to be fair.
I have a friend who had a Narset deck and literally the examples you guys were talking about he used (Extra turn cards, Ugin the Spirit Dragon, Eldrazi Titans, etc) and eventually he changed it to a much nicer version cause we had to basically make it archenemy against him each time cause it felt basically unstoppable back in the day.
I playmy sliver deck once a week and the pure hate u get when u drop the first sliver or any of them really surprises me with all the removal available 😂
I play Kroxa, and the amount of decks people will actively hand wins to, just so I don't win always surprised me. I thought people disliked combo decks, and they can't combo with no cards in hand.
Are you telling me that my friends don't like playing against my ninjas when I swing in with 6 unblockable creatures that are all ninjas and reveal 6 split cards with cmc 5-10 and they all die that turn?
My first MH2 collector booster had a retro frame foil Prismatic Vista, a retro frame foil Scalding Tarn, and a retro frame foil etched Urza... crazy pack. I then drew him 2 more times. I had to build him, they made me a villain lol
@@stigmurder99Only if you're looking to play with slow battlecruiser kids. Real commander decks have plenty of answers for this and don't really care about these decks. I play some of these and against these every week and nobody complains and it isnt cedh. Thank God nitpicking nerds don't dictate the ban list.
For Urza: He is really fun with 2 mana artifacts which have an "draw a card" ETB. They become untapped signets which draw you a card when they enter. XD
I think that even Kinnan can be included in the list. It’s cost of mana is almost zero and it can create a dangerous board state In few turns, if it doesn’t combo before of course
Hot take but blue artificial flavor is really just more red. Somebody chose to make raspberry flavor blue I stead of red bc they didn't want to compete with cherry, watermelon, and strawberry as "red flavors"
I have seen Tergrid, a new player built around it, and it just never took off. But he was also learning and got a whole card list of suggestions for it.
Sen Triplets was my first deck and still my favorite, coincidentally it has Grand Arbiter Augustin and a bunch of other stax pieces as well, since if my opponents can’t play their spells, I can steal their stuff easily.
If You know the deck and can play it proper, the "coin" flip in cEDH is really not that a big of problem. You can play it in tornaments, and it wins some times - becose its really good deck. You just need to "short" the coin flips (for example, if you need roll 3 of them, and "re-roll" the failed - then roll 3 dice at once, and re loll all that failed - you can do it in "seconds" ).
There's a trend that these most hated commanders take away agency from others: either they're stealing your things, taking up everyone's time with extra turns/combats, or just preventing you from playing. Gross.
Besides ignoring commander tax i think the thing that hurts Yuriko players is that they build the deck so gimmicky that it’s boring to play against. For example putting a bunch of cards in the deck SOLELY for the purpose of burning the table. Feels like they basically never actually cast interesting spells which is a waste of one of most interesting value engines in commander. When i built my Yuriko deck I specifically tried to build it in a way where i actually do things with the deck. All of the cards are actually playable and it’s helped a lot. I also pick and choose my spots to strike to i don’t get immediately hated off the board
I built 4/7 and was considering building another 2 xD Although I play them with stupid twists... or I dismantled them: -Sen Triplets with no internal wincon -Urza with no stax and most cards are altered to make an Ironman deck -Yuriko has no twist, but I barely play it -Tergrid has been dismantled
I got Tergrid in my Tourach Dread Cantor Commander deck that forces discarding. I'll consider some of these cards. Edit: Thank you Beezy for understanding how to make these decks really scary. Trying to harness my evil.
at first everyone looked at my Narset Auras deck like it was a balanced Narset. Like it was Narset but fun. Then I put Ethereal Armor, Eldrazi Conscription, All That Glitters and Arcane Flight on Narset off a lucky topdeck. Nobody thought Narset Auras was fun any more.
Best answer I ever had to Tergrid, Kresh The Blood-Braided in a turbo sacrifice elemental deck. Poor Tergrid couldn't keep up with Kresh; I play ball lightning, I attack with ball lightening, just before the beginning of my endstep I sacrifice ball lightning to some sac effect, you get ball lightning, at the beginning of my end step you sacrrfice ball lightning. Kresh collects many +1/+1 counters.
The nastiest thing i've done with Tergrid doesn't involve her as a commander, but in the maindeck of a Jund Discard deck. Tergrid on the field with a Robber Fly, equipped with a Blade of the Oni and Blade of Selves. Thrantis was the Commander, so everything had to attack every turn, and it was a goad deck, so those attacks were never coming my way. Like every deck i love, It's stupid, it's unreliable, but it's funny as hell when it goes off.
Out of those commanders, I have 2 (Krarkashima, and Tergrid, though tergrid has yet to see play) put together, and at some point I wanted to make decks for Narset and for Augustus, although that's kind of folded into wanting to make a deck for Hinata, and Urza's come to mind since his price dropped down so much. And I will bring Krarkashima out when I'm feeling salty or feeling the need to be able to counter stuff fast and hard early in the game, it just gets tedious once I've got more than four krark triggers per spell cast. I've got 9+ counter spells in that deck, an untold number of cantrips, several spells and creatures that copy creatures on the field, and several sources of netting mana off of casts. I consider it the very essence of Izzet. It'll either blow up over everything or go out with a fizzle, and I'll be laughing like a madman the whole time.
I have a Grand Arbiter deck. It really slowed down the game and I stopped 2 powerful decks. After 2 hours, the game ended in a draw. Thank you for the video Mia and Beezy.
After well, decades of not playing mtg, i am making a comeback, and now, since edh became a big thing, i started to rebuilt my collection ( sadly i sold my cards 15 years ago), and what did caught my eyes? Urza, Emakrul, and after opening a nice booster Tergrid. I was pretty happy, until i , Tottaly oblivious, showed my mate my sweet edh plans. You can imagine his response... was a funny, but expensive experience, but i can see why it is generally hated or banned (Emakrul). I still like Urza though, but i better just use him in the 99 if i go to my lgs, but it's really OP, and i was not taking the multiplayer aspect into consideration i realise now ;)
Unfortunately I don't get to play any EDH atm, but here are some of my most hated Commanders from Arena's Historic Brawl Format: Jetmir, Tiamat, Atraxa(4C), Thrun and Rusko Clockmaker
I had to tear apart my Narset Spellslinger deck because it can't get a win unless people don't focus on it and I don't hit a Jin-Gitaxias off of Narset's attack trigger
I’ve seen 4/5 of these in a cEDH game at my local game store (all but Tergrid). And I agree, I hate those commanders. Coming in with my casual EDH deck people were building huge boards and winning by turn 2, while I just had 2 lands
I have a Tergrid deck that I only play against really spikey pods or if I'm feeling particularly salty. There are no expectations of winning since the deck draws so much hate. The whole point is to make everyone else play sub optimally just to deal with me, then I get to watch them slug it out with way less interaction in their hand/deck to deal with each other.
@RazorDevil1 admittedly, it's pretty mean spirited. There's way more to the story here, but I don't just sit down with my friends and play it. It's reserved for special people.
You can't get another combat if you cast "Seize the da" with Narset. The rulings says you have to be in your mainphase and not during combat. Goes for a lot of the red "untap, take extra combat" sorceries. They have to be cast post-combat per the ruling.
Reading the card explains the card. Narset gives you until end of turn to cast those spells for free. You don't get to ignore timing restrictions you simply go into post combat main phase, cast your additional combat spell for free, and do it again.
You have to add Braids, Cabal Minion to this list as an honorable mention. The only reason it isn't on this list is because it is so toxic that it is banned. Also, I find it amazing that Zozu or Hokari aren't on this list. Land destruction and Winter Orb on a stick are big red flags.
The problem with Krarkashima is that usually people doesn't know how to play it or against it. I want to elaborate more because I know someone is going to come and say "that argument is not valid" or "are you going to say to us to play more target removal?" And yes, I'm going to say that but it's not the main point. The problem with Krarkashima is that the person who plays it really needs to know how to play it and when to go wild. First of all, is not a casual deck, it's a high power edh pair of commanders that want to combo, storming all the games they are in. So, the person who plays the deck needs to build it in a way thay they know they are going to win, not to speculate to win. If you sit on a table and someone plays krarkashima always ask them how do they win. If they tell you that "is luck based" or "when the decks wants" that is bad deck building. Help them if you can to make their deck better and consistent. And finally: know when to concede to a Krarkashima deck. If the deck is going wild and cast 2/3 Jeska's Will in a row, you are dead for sure. Concede and go to other game. Stop complainint about that. Kill their commanders, stop the storm mechanic and the deck is dead. Att: A Krarkashima player
Honest question. Other than the fact that it only targets yourself why is Narset so much more hated than Jeleva? Jeleva let's me win with your cards and mine...is it the color combo? The hexproof?
Jeleva needs to get recast in order to "refuel", which makes it clunkier than Narset, who consistently spins the wheel every single turn. Jeleva also has no protection. And she exiles face-up, so everyone knows exactly what you spun into. Even if by some godly luck you spun into four extra turns, your opponents can immediately remove her and you lose access to these spells because she doesn't remember cards exiled by previous iterations of herself. Jeleva is a super fair card
@@astuteanansi4935 That makes sense! Also thank you for defending Jeleva I will show this to my pod so they can stop groaning about her... it is built as extra turns/mill into exile/play my opponents stuff but I have always said she is fair...I just don't think ppl like exiling their own spells.
@@GrimmTutelage A salty card is not always equivalent to an unfair card. I can see how Jeleva could be seen as salty, but she's not unfair by any stretch
I have a tergrid deck and a friend randomly picked cards from my deck to be in my hand... tergird was out by turn 2 and dark deal on 3 everyone called it after that lol
I'm both happy and sad Skuttles didn't make this list, as Legendary evasive Infect can be fearful. I suppose you do still have to k ock out each opponent, bur I remember when it was feared.
My friend built himself a Tergrid-Deck. I played against it once. Once was one time too much. Never again! 😅 I do have a copy of her in my Syr Konrad deck, and when i do draw her i'm like hesitant to play her due to that prior experience. She nasty.
As a krark player a good krark player can play faster than most other decks at the table i have an app that is designed to run the deck and flip my coins and run the board state if the board state gets crazy i played it tonight at fnm and while yes some people get salty because what the deck can do i won 2 games by turn 4 and 5 of 1v1. Out of 8 ongoing games on a hr time limit one of my games was less than 5 min 2nd was less than 10 far faster than others finished. last 2 where much longer but because we both were playing control heavy. The super friends player i played last hit time limit every game including mine. I can see the deck being disliked because yes playing a spell again and again can be pretty ridiculous. But i dont think its hated because we are all slow. But you must remember our power comes with the major draw back that we can completely flop a spell and spend mana on literal nothing. We take a gamble every card we play. Until we build an engine we are pretty harmless so maybe just dont let us build a giant engine 😂
If you think submerge is bad in the deck you should see deflecting swat and fierce guardianship with 4+ krark triggers and new gen of the deck runs more triggers doublers than copy effects any deck can have dumb combos though I mean even my worst deck rogue tribal has vorpal sword to attach to unblockable creatures iv been stomped everytime I'm not playing a casual home game with that deck but if that combo connects its instant game over no life loss no triggers just death what kind instant
Of all the decks you could play against control decks are probably the least fun, at least some of the ones listed here. Because you aren't really given a chance to respond to their strategy in an interesting way, their strategy is to just not let you play at all.
One of my strongest decks is a Tergrid deck. I have no shame. Although to be fair. I only play her when the table I'm playing at can 100% handle it and everyone is ok with me running it
Sen triplets was my first commander deck. Thanks to the professor thinking it was gonna be more political…it was awful to play against. This was when Iona shield of the emiria was still legal. Made the deck again years later brought it to an LGS and made 2 other players legit cry…I took a break but still keep the deck it’s my baby.
Brain Freeze is the only win con. Tasha's Hideous Laughter, imo is better. Reason being is that it exiles instead of mills cards from the top of the library. If you drop three or four copies of Tasha's. You've pretty much locked the game down.
@@EnVisionZs Since it's for the pursuit of "knowledge", I'll tell you. Pili-pala's effect is: Flying Pay 2, Untap: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Grand Architect effects are: Other blue creatures you control get +1/+1. Pay 1 blue mana: Target artifact creature becomes blue until end of turn. Tap an untapped blue creature you control: Add 2. Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts. So what you do while you have both on the field is: 1) Make pili-pala into a blue creature. 2) Tap him to produce 2 colorless mana. 3) Pay the 2 mana to untap him for one mana of any color. Rinse and repeat 🔁. If someone from the tolarian academy asks, you didn't hear it from me. "Planeshifts away"
Yeah, I just don't play against someone if they pull out a Tergrid deck. I just expect plays like a 3 CMC card that makes each player discard, and the player getting 10-15+ mana's worth of value --not wasting the 1 game I get a week against that.
Yuriko is so unfortunate because she’s actually such a fun deck to pilot. Whenever someone borrows the deck they have such a blast, but it can be such a slog to play against. I def hate my Jodah deck more tho (the only deck I’ve taken apart after building)
I actually windmill slammed Tergrid's Lantern into my Kroxa deck and didn't even really read the other side until people started talking about her. I built a "fair" Urza deck, by which I mean still not fair because Urza is horseshit, but it's basically just cool artifact stuff and clues. I call it Blue's Clues :P
The Magistrate should be banned because its basically one player saying "You are not playing Commander anymore, but I am." I know...here comes the DtR arguments...
@@nickd6303 the Eldrazi do, but Blightsteel says, “If {this} is put in the graveyard from anywhere, shuffle it into your library instead.” The Eldrazi says “When {this} would be put into your graveyard, shuffle your graveyard into your library.” “Instead” is the keyword.
TLDR: Tergrid doesn't work with blightsteel, and whether Eldrazi Titans work depends on who's turn it is. It doesn't work with blightsteel because Blightsteel has a replacement effect (it uses the word "instead"), so it never goes to the graveyard and doesn't use the stack. Meanwhile, Tergrid has a triggered ability (you can see this because it uses the word "Whenever") This triggered ability uses the stack, and can be responded to. The ability will only return the creature if it's still in the graveyard when Tergrid's ability resolves. The Eldrazi Titans also have triggers to shuffle themselves in. Who's triggers resolve first depend on who's turn it is. On Tergrid's turn, or if Tergrid will take their next turn before the Eldrazi player, then the shuffle trigger will resolve first. (Thanks to triggers being put on the stack in ANAP order.)
Personally i do despise all these commanders for various reasons and find they either suck the fun out of the game, make the game painful or have just busted ability.
This video is worth it for the moment that Beezy realizes Urza is a narcissistic jerk who's responsible for like 80% of the most horrible things in MTG lore
Like that one time in the caves of Koilos when Tocasia died beacause of an explosion from Optimus Prime ?
urza did nothing wrong.
@@el_maoourza did many, many things wrong
Mishra wasn't a bad guy he found new friends and Urza got jealous :P LOL
@@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 don't get me wrong, Mishra sucks too. 3rd path is the way.
Not sure if Shuffle Scuffle is still a thing, but I’d like to see a “Hateful Commanders Only” edition
Omg that sounds like a really interesting idea!
The most absurd 1st turn I ever saw was from a Tergrid player. They went 1st. Swamp, dark ritual, jeweled lotus. Cast Tergrid, use the last black to thoughtseize the person to my left, pull a jin-gitaxias, Core Augur. Yeah, that's pretty much game. Nobody had a 1 mana response first time around the table.
I was once playing against tergrid, and I was mana screwed, then smokestack came into play... second time around and I was making a deal to be killed
Me casually having two of these decks on my radar of potential builds
Me casually having 4 of these decks in paper
I only want the first deck haha
I don't think Sen Triplets is a kill-on-sight commander, at least from my experience. Sen Triplets is a kill-its-owner-on-sight commander. The one time I borrowed a Sen Triplets deck just to try it out, I was archenemy from turn ONE! Never played with or against it ever again.
Is it really that bad? I'm currently trying to make a "steal your opponents' stuff" deck with sen triplets as the commander, but i don't want my playgroup to cast me out xD
at first sight it doesn't seem that horrible: i'm still spending my own mana on my own turn, and i might not even have the proper lands. it's like a mix of discard and shitty impulse draw, isn't it?
Thank you Mia for mentioning that Telepathy says opponents play with their hands revealed.
Beezy has said multiple times in the past how the card is a slog because everyone has perfect information, which made me avoid the card. That is, until I read it again more carefully, and saw that only I get perfect information, and everyone else is guessing my hand.
It's cool until one person has removal or a board wipe, so all of your opponents are afraid to play the game.
@@kaboomeowor they focus you so hard (because you deserve it) that, once you are dead or the enchantment is removed, things come back to normal
Telepathy is terrible
Actually use blinkmoth infusion over Draco in Yuriko since it can be grabbed by Arcane Tutor and stacked with Mystic Sanctuary, and refer to it as Brickmoth because yeah, its used just as a brick.
Tergrid was actually one of the first commanders I ever built oddly enough (mostly because I just had a bunch of bulk discard and sacrifice cards so I could make it for cheap) but some of my favourites in that deck are oppression and painful quandary just as passive advantage, as well as bottomless pit, make an example, torment of hail fire, archfiend of depravity, desolation, braids arisen nightmare, living death, tainted æther, pox, and chains of Mephistopheles. (Geier reach sanitarium and pelakka predation/caverns are great utility lands/MDFC’s :))
You're a monster for even playing chains. 😂
@@stigmurder99 Oh yes I know 😎my playgroup is chill with it though
@@jamesmackes4531 Yeah so when I first made the deck it was all bulk but then I started proxying cards to upgrade it. Definitely cannot afford a real chains of mephistopholes
I own a tergrid deck that i play quite often, don't actually play the majority of the cards mentioned. I prefer an enchantment stax-y approach to give the table choices, like painful quandry and oppression.
I do only play it into the high power pods to be fair.
Same, honestly. I do the same in my Tergrid deck, cause Painful Quandary is awesome.
Pretty subjective, even going by Salt ranking. 😊”Name a big creature!” I was praying she’d say, Grave Titan! 😂
A list composed of two people's opinions is subjective? Crazy
There were multiple ways you could have reacted. You chose passive-aggressive. Nice.
I have a friend who had a Narset deck and literally the examples you guys were talking about he used (Extra turn cards, Ugin the Spirit Dragon, Eldrazi Titans, etc) and eventually he changed it to a much nicer version cause we had to basically make it archenemy against him each time cause it felt basically unstoppable back in the day.
I playmy sliver deck once a week and the pure hate u get when u drop the first sliver or any of them really surprises me with all the removal available 😂
I play Kroxa, and the amount of decks people will actively hand wins to, just so I don't win always surprised me.
I thought people disliked combo decks, and they can't combo with no cards in hand.
As someone with a "freshly" made (2 months ago) Atraxa Infect deck, I completely understand haha
I still use overlord with my slivers and it's not hated anymore cus its been powercrept pretty hard
Mia is right. Best drink, best Skittle, best Starburst...it's always the red one.
Fruit punch or strawberry or cherry it's only wins
I love green jello
Yellow is best Gatorade 👌
How can I report this comment as false Information?
@obadijahparks Literally impossible because there are no lies here! 😉
The Eminence mechanic should have been one of the top 7. Maybe just staple it along with Commander Ninjitsu.
There’s only so much fun to be had and I’m gonna have all of it. ~Grand Arbiter Decks
Are you telling me that my friends don't like playing against my ninjas when I swing in with 6 unblockable creatures that are all ninjas and reveal 6 split cards with cmc 5-10 and they all die that turn?
Tergrid was the first card I thought of when I saw the title.
My first MH2 collector booster had a retro frame foil Prismatic Vista, a retro frame foil Scalding Tarn, and a retro frame foil etched Urza... crazy pack. I then drew him 2 more times. I had to build him, they made me a villain lol
Thanks for all the deck ideas
Lmaooo best comment
Yeah but then you end up being the guy that people avoid playing with...🤣
@@stigmurder99Only if you're looking to play with slow battlecruiser kids.
Real commander decks have plenty of answers for this and don't really care about these decks.
I play some of these and against these every week and nobody complains and it isnt cedh.
Thank God nitpicking nerds don't dictate the ban list.
@@myaramiuexactly. Adapt to the table instead of complaining
For Urza: He is really fun with 2 mana artifacts which have an "draw a card" ETB.
They become untapped signets which draw you a card when they enter. XD
I think that even Kinnan can be included in the list. It’s cost of mana is almost zero and it can create a dangerous board state In few turns, if it doesn’t combo before of course
Hot take but blue artificial flavor is really just more red. Somebody chose to make raspberry flavor blue I stead of red bc they didn't want to compete with cherry, watermelon, and strawberry as "red flavors"
Urza can rank in most hated and most loved commanders imo.
I have seen Tergrid, a new player built around it, and it just never took off. But he was also learning and got a whole card list of suggestions for it.
Sen Triplets was my first deck and still my favorite, coincidentally it has Grand Arbiter Augustin and a bunch of other stax pieces as well, since if my opponents can’t play their spells, I can steal their stuff easily.
If You know the deck and can play it proper, the "coin" flip in cEDH is really not that a big of problem. You can play it in tornaments, and it wins some times - becose its really good deck. You just need to "short" the coin flips (for example, if you need roll 3 of them, and "re-roll" the failed - then roll 3 dice at once, and re loll all that failed - you can do it in "seconds" ).
There's a trend that these most hated commanders take away agency from others: either they're stealing your things, taking up everyone's time with extra turns/combats, or just preventing you from playing. Gross.
Sen triplets is banned in my house. I’m not going to not play when I’m playing
Almost 2024 and still no time stamps
Then make your own channel.
Besides ignoring commander tax i think the thing that hurts Yuriko players is that they build the deck so gimmicky that it’s boring to play against. For example putting a bunch of cards in the deck SOLELY for the purpose of burning the table. Feels like they basically never actually cast interesting spells which is a waste of one of most interesting value engines in commander.
When i built my Yuriko deck I specifically tried to build it in a way where i actually do things with the deck. All of the cards are actually playable and it’s helped a lot. I also pick and choose my spots to strike to i don’t get immediately hated off the board
My friend just has every extra turn in his it's super annoying
I built 4/7 and was considering building another 2 xD
Although I play them with stupid twists... or I dismantled them:
-Sen Triplets with no internal wincon
-Urza with no stax and most cards are altered to make an Ironman deck
-Yuriko has no twist, but I barely play it
-Tergrid has been dismantled
I got Tergrid in my Tourach Dread Cantor Commander deck that forces discarding. I'll consider some of these cards.
Edit: Thank you Beezy for understanding how to make these decks really scary. Trying to harness my evil.
So, T1 Jeweled Lotus, Mana Crypt -> Tergrid. Swamp, Dark Ritual, Lotus Petal, Sol Ring -> Awaken the Erstwhile. 7 cards and everyone quits. Sweet.
OMG
i would LOVEEEE too see 4 of those decks FIGHT EACH OTHER !!!!
and see who wins. haha.
MAKE THAT !
at first everyone looked at my Narset Auras deck like it was a balanced Narset. Like it was Narset but fun.
Then I put Ethereal Armor, Eldrazi Conscription, All That Glitters and Arcane Flight on Narset off a lucky topdeck. Nobody thought Narset Auras was fun any more.
its hilarious to me that i have a friend who wants to build every single one of these but tergrid.
Best answer I ever had to Tergrid, Kresh The Blood-Braided in a turbo sacrifice elemental deck. Poor Tergrid couldn't keep up with Kresh; I play ball lightning, I attack with ball lightening, just before the beginning of my endstep I sacrifice ball lightning to some sac effect, you get ball lightning, at the beginning of my end step you sacrrfice ball lightning. Kresh collects many +1/+1 counters.
The nastiest thing i've done with Tergrid doesn't involve her as a commander, but in the maindeck of a Jund Discard deck. Tergrid on the field with a Robber Fly, equipped with a Blade of the Oni and Blade of Selves. Thrantis was the Commander, so everything had to attack every turn, and it was a goad deck, so those attacks were never coming my way. Like every deck i love, It's stupid, it's unreliable, but it's funny as hell when it goes off.
A regular evening in my playgroup. Yuriko vs Tergrid vs Augustin IV vs Krarkashima. The Stax is strong in our group :D
Excuse me does anyone know if there's a card that gives regenerate to all creatures? Thank you for your response.
Out of those commanders, I have 2 (Krarkashima, and Tergrid, though tergrid has yet to see play) put together, and at some point I wanted to make decks for Narset and for Augustus, although that's kind of folded into wanting to make a deck for Hinata, and Urza's come to mind since his price dropped down so much.
And I will bring Krarkashima out when I'm feeling salty or feeling the need to be able to counter stuff fast and hard early in the game, it just gets tedious once I've got more than four krark triggers per spell cast.
I've got 9+ counter spells in that deck, an untold number of cantrips, several spells and creatures that copy creatures on the field, and several sources of netting mana off of casts. I consider it the very essence of Izzet. It'll either blow up over everything or go out with a fizzle, and I'll be laughing like a madman the whole time.
I have a Grand Arbiter deck. It really slowed down the game and I stopped 2 powerful decks. After 2 hours, the game ended in a draw. Thank you for the video Mia and Beezy.
After well, decades of not playing mtg, i am making a comeback, and now, since edh became a big thing, i started to rebuilt my collection ( sadly i sold my cards 15 years ago), and what did caught my eyes? Urza, Emakrul, and after opening a nice booster Tergrid. I was pretty happy, until i , Tottaly oblivious, showed my mate my sweet edh plans. You can imagine his response...
was a funny, but expensive experience, but i can see why it is generally hated or banned (Emakrul).
I still like Urza though, but i better just use him in the 99 if i go to my lgs, but it's really OP, and i was not taking the multiplayer aspect into consideration i realise now ;)
Is it true the creator of EDH passed away recently?
Yeah. Sheldon Menery; passed away after a long fight with cancer.
He wasnt really the creator of EDH, but one of the people that made it big among judges and was in the rules comité for a long while.
Unfortunately I don't get to play any EDH atm, but here are some of my most hated Commanders from Arena's Historic Brawl Format:
Jetmir, Tiamat, Atraxa(4C), Thrun and Rusko Clockmaker
the phrase "sinergy with winter orb" disturbs me so deeply
Tergrid instilling fright to players is ... just flavourful
I had to tear apart my Narset Spellslinger deck because it can't get a win unless people don't focus on it and I don't hit a Jin-Gitaxias off of Narset's attack trigger
I’ve seen 4/5 of these in a cEDH game at my local game store (all but Tergrid). And I agree, I hate those commanders. Coming in with my casual EDH deck people were building huge boards and winning by turn 2, while I just had 2 lands
Using decks they googled off tapped out instead of playing a deck they used their own brain to make
Thanks for all the new deck ideas
I have a Tergrid deck that I only play against really spikey pods or if I'm feeling particularly salty. There are no expectations of winning since the deck draws so much hate. The whole point is to make everyone else play sub optimally just to deal with me, then I get to watch them slug it out with way less interaction in their hand/deck to deal with each other.
its just kinda no fun for anyone. since they're pretty much forced into a 1v3 then a 3 player game.
@RazorDevil1 admittedly, it's pretty mean spirited. There's way more to the story here, but I don't just sit down with my friends and play it. It's reserved for special people.
You can't get another combat if you cast "Seize the da" with Narset. The rulings says you have to be in your mainphase and not during combat. Goes for a lot of the red "untap, take extra combat" sorceries. They have to be cast post-combat per the ruling.
Reading the card explains the card. Narset gives you until end of turn to cast those spells for free. You don't get to ignore timing restrictions you simply go into post combat main phase, cast your additional combat spell for free, and do it again.
I run a Tergrid deck for tournaments. Fuck the competition. It's great getting people to scoop. 😊
I plan to make GAAIV and a Narset but in a completely different fashion than their villianous counterparts.
You have to add Braids, Cabal Minion to this list as an honorable mention. The only reason it isn't on this list is because it is so toxic that it is banned.
Also, I find it amazing that Zozu or Hokari aren't on this list. Land destruction and Winter Orb on a stick are big red flags.
@@malakimphoros2164 That is one Zozu build. I'm more worried about the Blood Moon + land destruction + Dingus + Ankh list that is the most common.
Even if tergrid is not out it is important to still make them discard. Pro move
Have a friend in my playgroup who had a tergrid deck but turned it into a tinybones deck. I believe she is still in the 99 though
The problem with Krarkashima is that usually people doesn't know how to play it or against it.
I want to elaborate more because I know someone is going to come and say "that argument is not valid" or "are you going to say to us to play more target removal?" And yes, I'm going to say that but it's not the main point.
The problem with Krarkashima is that the person who plays it really needs to know how to play it and when to go wild. First of all, is not a casual deck, it's a high power edh pair of commanders that want to combo, storming all the games they are in. So, the person who plays the deck needs to build it in a way thay they know they are going to win, not to speculate to win. If you sit on a table and someone plays krarkashima always ask them how do they win. If they tell you that "is luck based" or "when the decks wants" that is bad deck building. Help them if you can to make their deck better and consistent.
And finally: know when to concede to a Krarkashima deck. If the deck is going wild and cast 2/3 Jeska's Will in a row, you are dead for sure. Concede and go to other game. Stop complainint about that. Kill their commanders, stop the storm mechanic and the deck is dead.
Att: A Krarkashima player
I just want everybody to know, you shouldnt forget the lantern, took it a black creature hate deck with the lantern to plat on arena
You should try make a video about most unique commander and its deck or most underrated gameplay deck with its possible commander.
This made me WANT to build a tergrid deck.
Narset is top of my list, that hexproof just puts her in a category all by herself. Anything else i can just hold removal for.
Also, I prefer Capsize and Consign to Dream then Submerge. Returning permanents is the better play.
Honest question. Other than the fact that it only targets yourself why is Narset so much more hated than Jeleva? Jeleva let's me win with your cards and mine...is it the color combo? The hexproof?
Jeleva needs to get recast in order to "refuel", which makes it clunkier than Narset, who consistently spins the wheel every single turn. Jeleva also has no protection. And she exiles face-up, so everyone knows exactly what you spun into. Even if by some godly luck you spun into four extra turns, your opponents can immediately remove her and you lose access to these spells because she doesn't remember cards exiled by previous iterations of herself. Jeleva is a super fair card
@@astuteanansi4935 That makes sense! Also thank you for defending Jeleva I will show this to my pod so they can stop groaning about her... it is built as extra turns/mill into exile/play my opponents stuff but I have always said she is fair...I just don't think ppl like exiling their own spells.
@@GrimmTutelage A salty card is not always equivalent to an unfair card. I can see how Jeleva could be seen as salty, but she's not unfair by any stretch
I find it funny that people are okay with me playing Nath, but not Tergrid.
I have a tergrid deck and a friend randomly picked cards from my deck to be in my hand... tergird was out by turn 2 and dark deal on 3 everyone called it after that lol
I'm both happy and sad Skuttles didn't make this list, as Legendary evasive Infect can be fearful. I suppose you do still have to k ock out each opponent, bur I remember when it was feared.
whats the full card title?
Bring your absolute best against me. I love it.
No Chulane? That card has caused me more headaches than any other card.
I live to be arch enemy but agree slightly so i play yuriko with zero tutors and tergrid with zero land destruction
My friend built himself a Tergrid-Deck. I played against it once. Once was one time too much. Never again! 😅 I do have a copy of her in my Syr Konrad deck, and when i do draw her i'm like hesitant to play her due to that prior experience. She nasty.
As a krark player a good krark player can play faster than most other decks at the table i have an app that is designed to run the deck and flip my coins and run the board state if the board state gets crazy i played it tonight at fnm and while yes some people get salty because what the deck can do i won 2 games by turn 4 and 5 of 1v1. Out of 8 ongoing games on a hr time limit one of my games was less than 5 min 2nd was less than 10 far faster than others finished. last 2 where much longer but because we both were playing control heavy. The super friends player i played last hit time limit every game including mine. I can see the deck being disliked because yes playing a spell again and again can be pretty ridiculous. But i dont think its hated because we are all slow. But you must remember our power comes with the major draw back that we can completely flop a spell and spend mana on literal nothing. We take a gamble every card we play. Until we build an engine we are pretty harmless so maybe just dont let us build a giant engine 😂
If you think submerge is bad in the deck you should see deflecting swat and fierce guardianship with 4+ krark triggers and new gen of the deck runs more triggers doublers than copy effects any deck can have dumb combos though I mean even my worst deck rogue tribal has vorpal sword to attach to unblockable creatures iv been stomped everytime I'm not playing a casual home game with that deck but if that combo connects its instant game over no life loss no triggers just death what kind instant
Hello, I dont know if anyone mentioned this or I am wrong, Tergrid will not get you Blithsteel???
Of all the decks you could play against control decks are probably the least fun, at least some of the ones listed here. Because you aren't really given a chance to respond to their strategy in an interesting way, their strategy is to just not let you play at all.
One of my strongest decks is a Tergrid deck. I have no shame. Although to be fair. I only play her when the table I'm playing at can 100% handle it and everyone is ok with me running it
Tergrid was banned in my shop as commander.
*sees Tergrid*
Yeah, this is definitely right.
*Doesn't see Anvil of Bogardan with Tergrid*
Wait, what? But how though
Sen triplets was my first commander deck. Thanks to the professor thinking it was gonna be more political…it was awful to play against. This was when Iona shield of the emiria was still legal. Made the deck again years later brought it to an LGS and made 2 other players legit cry…I took a break but still keep the deck it’s my baby.
Ps, I use insidious dreams on anje to create a madness chain or stack it to go for a win.
The most hated Moxfield ad guess is, of course, 16:44. Day 40
I'm doing my best to make Merieke get to this list.
i wanna build a krark-sakashima deck now.
I built Tergrid with about 20 group draw cards. Everyone likes drawing cards here right?
Brain Freeze is the only win con. Tasha's Hideous Laughter, imo is better. Reason being is that it exiles instead of mills cards from the top of the library. If you drop three or four copies of Tasha's. You've pretty much locked the game down.
I'm surprised they didn't mention the pili-pala/grand architect infinite mana combo when talking about the Urza deck.
Do explain this combo, for educational purposes only of course
@@EnVisionZs Since it's for the pursuit of "knowledge", I'll tell you.
Pili-pala's effect is: Flying
Pay 2, Untap: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
Grand Architect effects are: Other blue creatures you control get +1/+1.
Pay 1 blue mana: Target artifact creature becomes blue until end of turn.
Tap an untapped blue creature you control: Add 2. Spend this mana only to cast artifact spells or activate abilities of artifacts.
So what you do while you have both on the field is:
1) Make pili-pala into a blue creature.
2) Tap him to produce 2 colorless mana.
3) Pay the 2 mana to untap him for one mana of any color.
Rinse and repeat 🔁.
If someone from the tolarian academy asks, you didn't hear it from me. "Planeshifts away"
would aetherflux reservior be good in etali primal conqueror decks?
Damn not even a mention of kaalia the vast
Looks like awsome recomendations to me :D
Narset voltron is pretty cool. Voltron just makes people salty anyway.
Where’d you get art in the background?
Tergrid is a bonkers commander. I can't bring myself to build her but love to run her in the 99 of my Meren deck.
Narset goes infinite is fun when your playing it lol. But my pods are a bunch of try hards anyways
Yeah, I just don't play against someone if they pull out a Tergrid deck. I just expect plays like a 3 CMC card that makes each player discard, and the player getting 10-15+ mana's worth of value --not wasting the 1 game I get a week against that.
@@TeamSprocket No, I do not.
Yuriko is so unfortunate because she’s actually such a fun deck to pilot. Whenever someone borrows the deck they have such a blast, but it can be such a slog to play against. I def hate my Jodah deck more tho (the only deck I’ve taken apart after building)
I actually windmill slammed Tergrid's Lantern into my Kroxa deck and didn't even really read the other side until people started talking about her.
I built a "fair" Urza deck, by which I mean still not fair because Urza is horseshit, but it's basically just cool artifact stuff and clues. I call it Blue's Clues :P
The Magistrate should be banned because its basically one player saying "You are not playing Commander anymore, but I am." I know...here comes the DtR arguments...
Would Blightsteel Collossus work with Tergrid? It never goes to the graveyard. And Tergrid says you put if FROM the graveyard into play.
I think because of layers, your Tergrid's replacement effect will override the Blightsteel's replacement effect. Don't quote me on that.
Blightsteel and the eldrazi titans do touch the graveyard before being shuffled.
@@nickd6303 the Eldrazi do, but Blightsteel says, “If {this} is put in the graveyard from anywhere, shuffle it into your library instead.” The Eldrazi says “When {this} would be put into your graveyard, shuffle your graveyard into your library.”
“Instead” is the keyword.
TLDR: Tergrid doesn't work with blightsteel, and whether Eldrazi Titans work depends on who's turn it is.
It doesn't work with blightsteel because Blightsteel has a replacement effect (it uses the word "instead"), so it never goes to the graveyard and doesn't use the stack.
Meanwhile, Tergrid has a triggered ability (you can see this because it uses the word "Whenever") This triggered ability uses the stack, and can be responded to. The ability will only return the creature if it's still in the graveyard when Tergrid's ability resolves.
The Eldrazi Titans also have triggers to shuffle themselves in. Who's triggers resolve first depend on who's turn it is. On Tergrid's turn, or if Tergrid will take their next turn before the Eldrazi player, then the shuffle trigger will resolve first. (Thanks to triggers being put on the stack in ANAP order.)
If you think narset is bad wait until you play against a maxed out Magnus deck
Personally i do despise all these commanders for various reasons and find they either suck the fun out of the game, make the game painful or have just busted ability.
if it takes you 6 turns to get narset out, you built it wrong