alot of these experiments are not held in this century because some people think its too much i think it have to be done inorder for human aka sapien to have a more better understanding of their psychology and mental illness due to various factor apart from genetics and mutation
that's the thing with animal testing it sucks that we have to do it if we don't we can't prevent illnesses and other things it sucks but someone has to bite the bullet and it won't be a human
@@dylanhelvetios2300 and yet they didn't know youre using modern insignt now don't get me wrong these experiments where depraved even as a person that does support animal testing i want it as little as possible and as mercifully as possible this is too much and he clearly went a bit ooof in the head after his wife died which isnt an excuse
The experiments were considered unethical at best when they were being done. Once he had his results there was no reason to continue making baby monkeys suffer emotional and psychological trauma when you know exactly what is happening to them.
Harlow's experiments demonstrated the impact of the parent-child bond when it is denied. Out of his experiments grew other studies by researchers who recognized the importance of the mother infant bond, how absence of consistent, positive contact negatively impacts a child's development, and the adult he is to become. Out of those early research studies, it is better understood how to educate young adults to be attentive, caring, and effective parents, and to stop treating children like miniature adults - instead, learning how to approach newborns, infants, youth, and young adults appropriately with due respect given to their age, intellectual development, and emotional needs. Please don't demonize Mr. Harlow because his studies repel you based on current ethical knowledge of animal rights; appreciate, rather, what was learned and the fact that once his studies focused our attention on the emotional and social developmental needs of Primates and humans. Humans are still learning and trying to do better raising emotionally whole, intellectually engaged, and ethically grounded adults. I am sad the monkeys used in Harlow's experiments suffered; I am grateful the experiments are not repeated today, and this grandmother is indebted to those primates who demonstrated very clearly the importance of good parenting during infancy. Newborns in orphanages who were only handled long enough to be fed, bathed, and diapered on a schedule lost weight and died. Finally, the emotional and cognitive needs of infants were recognized. Harry Harlow's experiments are mentioned in most child development classes today as a segue into the valuable lessons learned, and the turnaround in Children's Hospital policies: In the early 20th century, hospitalized children were not allowed to see their parents. All contact with home was cut off, in the belief that interruption of hospital schedules for surgery, meals, treatments and medications must be avoided. Thank God Childrens' Hospitals now welcome children and families, and thoroughly prepare parents so they can give their children the support and care they need so much.
Please dont accept atrocious behaviour just because it had some knowledge come out of it. Excusing this kind of actions, where living being are being tortured daily, is.. sick. Only people who are severely lacking in normal human emotion, are able to actually see this kind of experiements through.. anyone else would end ip with ptsd. Allowing mentally sick people free reigns in this way, is one of the first signs of a society in final decline. The problem was never the children, but the adult arrogance of thinking they know it all. It is not hard to see when a child is hurting, be it physically or emotionally. But when you are told to not listen, to ignore that.. then it is clear you will also not see the damage you do.. or you find other work, because you cant be that cruel to children.
@@Goldenhawk583 You say you can't accept this behaviour, but with this mentality I am curious if you ever said or at least thought about how livestock is being treated today, because it's not any better, the only difference is in the number of animals. So then that means you probably souldn't eat meat yourself if you can't accept this type of treating of animals, and everyone is severely lacking human emotion who is eating meat and doesn't care about how it is produced.
@@akospalozas4474 There are places that treat animals badly, yes. But there are plenty of places that treat their animals very well too, and that is where I get my meat. Eating meat is a must for humans, not a choice. Humans are not herbivores, and we cannot survive or remain healthy on a plants only diet. Ehose of us who eat a meat only diet, care very much about how our food is raised and killed. A happy and healthy animal gives much better meat than a scared and sick animal. What you are suggesting is that I eat nothing at all... and that, I am fairly sure, would kill me over time:P
@@Goldenhawk583Unfortunately there is no reasoning with certain types of people, you know like 'so animals were tortured? Oh well at least it may have benefited humanity in some way." So very sad that some people feel that way. But that's their opinion & they're entitled to it. Doesn't make it any less pitiful though. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Ah yes, the good ol' times when ethics were still not a full thing in psychology. Edit: But we all admit, these dark experiments contributed a lot to the current knowledge within the field.
It's so easy to view and judge and pass judgment with your eyes of 2023 looking back through the eyes of 1950 what a brave crusader. And an absolutely woke individually you must be so brave and courageous of you too. Stare back into the 1950s and pass judgment. Things that have probably benefited you in your life, Myself being of the humble opinion better for 1 to 10A 100 a million monkeys to suffer rather than one person. But that's just me I value human life
@@gabrieljoseph2159 you are right but that’s a very selfish way of thinking…just cause you can think logically doesn’t mean you have more of a right to life.
This last experiment of isolation reminds me of the punishment used in prison in the US. If an inmate causes some infraction, they're sent to THE HOLE, or solitary confinement like one former inmate sais, sometimes for dsys at a time! It is something they all want to avoid!
It is difficult to understand what Harry Harlow was seeking, unless viewed as a means to unlocking the mystery of chronic depression. The root causes of depression are not clearly understood today, because they remain unknown. Now, in 2023 we are seeing an increase in crimes of abuse and homicide against children by their parents. The Lori Holloway case is an example: a parent who appeared to abandon her two children. The police, after pursuing Ms Holloway to Hawaii, found the remains of both children in Florida. Similar cases are in the news. Are there clues in Harlow's experiment results that reveal connections between isolation early in life, and the most tragic failure of parenting, as evidenced by the increase in child homicides?? I hope we discover the reasons/causes of parental failure, and soon. Our most vulnerable and voiceless deserve to have their physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual needs met by parents who understand the importance of providing every child with the best beginnings possible. It's the birthright of all sentient beings.
Depression isn't some big mystery. It's always a lack of something essential in life. Like hunger or thirst it doesn't go away because its a need not simply a desire.
@@Tokmurokvery true, at least with how my depression feels to me. That's the sad thing with chronic depression though, I don't think I can ever be satisfied and truly happy. I just have to learn to live with it and make the best out of my life. Which is incredibly difficult
It's too bad we can no longer study the causes and effects of severe emotional traumas; our lack of understanding of these psychological phenomenon now contributes to the rising rates of depression and social disorders. If we could study it, we might be able to learn how to take better care of our coming generations.
Your statement is like saying "It's too bad we can no longer study the effects of treating sever burns on flesh by setting fire to monkeys." The research can and is still being done, but doing so at the expense of our humanity is not a worthwhile price to pay, AND the research is still being done.
@@jayd6372 I know what my statement is like. Doing this kind of research by using real people and just waiting for extreme cases to come along and hoping we get to study them is like trying to boil a pot of water by leaving it outside and hoping it rains, and then gets hot enough. Also, "at the expense of our humanity"? Are we gonna pretend that this sort of thing isn't part of human nature because it's distasteful? If anything, extremes like this would seem to give us a look into just what humanity truly can be.
@TheEniqma I wonder if this is generational trauma among the monkeys as well. The parents got depressed due to isolation and further traumatised the children by neglecting and abusing them. Living beings learn from their surroundings early in life. Who knows if they continue this same evil down their generations as well ? What do you think ?
Harry Harlow is a HERO! Strip the infant from its mother immediately after birth give it nothing but a wire cone with a bottle once it's able to get around it's forced into the pit of dispair basically a pit you're unable to escape unable to move around. I love how this thing broke a monkey in 30 days. the tunnel of tare was the greatest ever nothing to cling to but wire as a monster scares it
I'm sorry but what in the fresh fuck are you talking about this is literally animal cruelty (if you're being sarcastic please forgive me I'm terrible with this sort of thing)
The studies were cruel but it was one the things that allowed the world to grow. Modernity is awesome, we are so advanced in treating mental and physical problems nowdays and may it keep evolving.
we are advanced in many ways, but today we are allowing children to sterilize themselves and destroy their lives.. calling it transfriendly. The people who push this are every bit as arrogant and dangerous as Harlow was, and children are, again, the victims.
Torture is acceptable to you? I assume you have no problem with surgically changing a boy , to a girl like being then, or girl to boy like. Sterile, 99,99% will die early, they will be miserable for a large part of their lives when they understand what happened to them.. But hey, all ok in the name of science, right,, I mean who really cares about animals, or children anyway.. playthings , thats all they are to people with your mindset. And dont pretend otherwise, you defend torture.. you are sick.
@@Pleiades_Erret How about.. experimenting with adult sex with infants.. to see if that may cause any kind of physical or psycological change in the child later.. would that too be ok.. it woukd be contributing after all? If so, which children should be used?
@@tinkcrow my bad tree rats. They are dirty nasty critters. They eat anything. They behave worse than rats. If you lived around them the cute behavior wears off quickly when you see how they actuallly are.
@@tinkcrow nope and I don’t like all humans either. So tree rats are nasty and I despise them. I didn’t know I needed your permission. You asked me why and I told you. If you don’t like answers don’t asked questions . Simple really! 😃
This is sad. As for the recommended subject: You could dive into the psychology of psychopaths and their use in war, as an executioner, or other such dark positions in society that need to be done, yet are harshly gruesome. I've always wondered why they don't put psychos into war first instead of normal men... it would seem to make more sense to put the ones who would likely even enjoy killing in first? IDK maybe I'M a psychopath.... Actually... Hold on I should probably get that checked up. I thought about asking for the first "transgender", but that'd be to controversial at this point in society though. (Sadly, we know that most of them (even nowadays) regret the decisions afterward, even still with all the support they get.) I hope the best for them, but it seems like many (if not most) would be better off without having tried it. Dark subjects of a deteriorating society... interesting in the most unnerving way...
There is a reason why the military does not send murderers and sociopaths to the front lines. Most modern militaries try to have ethical conflicts. War crimes are a serious issue. US Military in particular has constant retraining on War Crimes, Ethics of Lawful Orders, and Issuing Responsible Lawful/Ethical Orders. Yet we still have instances where war crimes have happened. We try our best to prevent these horrible tragedies. We can only do so much because war does unnatural things to the human psyche.
Military requires discipline. One of the key elements of being a psychopath is disregard for rules. There is already a fundamental problem with military and psychopaths. As for the second part... can't take that seriously.
I wonder if he continued if the fear based depression experiments would teach us about ptsd.
alot of these experiments are not held in this century because some people think its too much i think it have to be done inorder for human aka sapien to have a more better understanding of their psychology and mental illness due to various factor apart from genetics and mutation
@@MindsetMastery-420so... you're up to become a cobaye?
Nine questions, bro. We need to ask this question to people who think these kinds of experiment is needed for humanity. @@dylanhelvetios2300
Not angry, it proves what human babies and children feel, when treated poorly
I didn't need an experiment torturing animals to figure that out. LOL
@@seafoambeachcombto be fair, most of the psych experiments just refute obsdrvation that people had over rhe centuries, but know with evidence
Its awfull how similar this is to human trauma, my fucking god
If Harlow had not conducted those experiments.....We would not know how cruel they were, because the results would not be known.
that's the thing with animal testing it sucks that we have to do it if we don't we can't prevent illnesses and other things it sucks but someone has to bite the bullet and it won't be a human
I could tell the results will be atrocious 10sec in part 1.
It doesn't take a doctorate to guess that an abused child will have issues growing up.
@@dylanhelvetios2300 and yet they didn't know youre using modern insignt now don't get me wrong these experiments where depraved even as a person that does support animal testing i want it as little as possible and as mercifully as possible this is too much and he clearly went a bit ooof in the head after his wife died which isnt an excuse
The experiments were considered unethical at best when they were being done. Once he had his results there was no reason to continue making baby monkeys suffer emotional and psychological trauma when you know exactly what is happening to them.
The longer they are isolated the more their social function deteriorate
Harlow's experiments demonstrated the impact of the parent-child bond when it is denied. Out of his experiments grew other studies by researchers who recognized the importance of the mother infant bond, how absence of consistent, positive contact negatively impacts a child's development, and the adult he is to become.
Out of those early research studies, it is better understood how to educate young adults to be attentive, caring, and effective parents, and to stop treating children like miniature adults - instead, learning how to approach newborns, infants, youth, and young adults appropriately with due respect given to their age, intellectual development, and emotional needs.
Please don't demonize Mr. Harlow because his studies repel you based on current ethical knowledge of animal rights; appreciate, rather, what was learned and the fact that once his studies focused our attention on the emotional and social developmental needs of Primates and humans.
Humans are still learning and trying to do better raising emotionally whole, intellectually engaged, and ethically grounded adults.
I am sad the monkeys used in Harlow's experiments suffered;
I am grateful the experiments are not repeated today, and this grandmother is indebted to those primates who demonstrated very clearly the importance of good parenting during infancy.
Newborns in orphanages who were only handled long enough to be fed, bathed, and diapered on a schedule lost weight and died.
Finally, the emotional and cognitive needs of infants were recognized.
Harry Harlow's experiments are mentioned in most child development classes today as a segue into the valuable lessons learned, and the turnaround in Children's Hospital policies:
In the early 20th century, hospitalized children were not allowed to see their parents. All contact with home was cut off, in the belief that interruption of hospital schedules for surgery, meals, treatments and medications must be avoided.
Thank God Childrens' Hospitals now welcome children and families, and thoroughly prepare parents so they can give their children the support and care they need so much.
Please dont accept atrocious behaviour just because it had some knowledge come out of it.
Excusing this kind of actions, where living being are being tortured daily, is.. sick.
Only people who are severely lacking in normal human emotion, are able to actually see this kind of experiements through.. anyone else would end ip with ptsd.
Allowing mentally sick people free reigns in this way, is one of the first signs of a society in final decline.
The problem was never the children, but the adult arrogance of thinking they know it all. It is not hard to see when a child is hurting, be it physically or emotionally. But when you are told to not listen, to ignore that.. then it is clear you will also not see the damage you do.. or you find other work, because you cant be that cruel to children.
Well said. Thank you. Blessings to you, monkeys, and all things.
@@Goldenhawk583 You say you can't accept this behaviour, but with this mentality I am curious if you ever said or at least thought about how livestock is being treated today, because it's not any better, the only difference is in the number of animals. So then that means you probably souldn't eat meat yourself if you can't accept this type of treating of animals, and everyone is severely lacking human emotion who is eating meat and doesn't care about how it is produced.
@@akospalozas4474 There are places that treat animals badly, yes. But there are plenty of places that treat their animals very well too, and that is where I get my meat.
Eating meat is a must for humans, not a choice. Humans are not herbivores, and we cannot survive or remain healthy on a plants only diet.
Ehose of us who eat a meat only diet, care very much about how our food is raised and killed. A happy and healthy animal gives much better meat than a scared and sick animal.
What you are suggesting is that I eat nothing at all... and that, I am fairly sure, would kill me over time:P
@@Goldenhawk583Unfortunately there is no reasoning with certain types of people, you know like 'so animals were tortured? Oh well at least it may have benefited humanity in some way." So very sad that some people feel that way. But that's their opinion & they're entitled to it. Doesn't make it any less pitiful though. ❤❤❤❤❤❤
Ah yes, the good ol' times when ethics were still not a full thing in psychology.
Edit: But we all admit, these dark experiments contributed a lot to the current knowledge within the field.
After doing these things that man went to an useless electric therapy to cure his own depression.
He helped to advance nothing lmao.
It's so easy to view and judge and pass judgment with your eyes of 2023 looking back through the eyes of 1950 what a brave crusader. And an absolutely woke individually you must be so brave and courageous of you too. Stare back into the 1950s and pass judgment. Things that have probably benefited you in your life, Myself being of the humble opinion better for 1 to 10A 100 a million monkeys to suffer rather than one person. But that's just me I value human life
@@gabrieljoseph2159 dude tortured monkeys and then electrified himself trying to cure his depression. But go on what did he do for today society?
@@gabrieljoseph2159 you are right but that’s a very selfish way of thinking…just cause you can think logically doesn’t mean you have more of a right to life.
Today's young people that grow up without a father and a mother turned very violent
only 50 views after onbe day damn. i can feel how this channel is going to blow up
Spread the word, let's blow it up!
It seems horrible but sheds light on babies that spend a long time in an incubator and prisoners in isolated confinement.
I found his studies very interesting
Happy holidays everybody!
Your channel deserves more views. I appreciate your work 👍🏻
Thanks, I hope so too!
This last experiment of isolation reminds me of the punishment used in prison in the US. If an inmate causes some infraction, they're sent to THE HOLE, or solitary confinement like one former inmate sais, sometimes for dsys at a time! It is something they all want to avoid!
It is difficult to understand what Harry Harlow was seeking, unless viewed as a means to unlocking the mystery of chronic depression.
The root causes of depression are not clearly understood today, because they remain unknown.
Now, in 2023 we are seeing an increase in crimes of abuse and homicide against children by their parents.
The Lori Holloway case is an example: a parent who appeared to abandon her two children. The police, after pursuing Ms Holloway to Hawaii, found the remains of both children in Florida.
Similar cases are in the news.
Are there clues in Harlow's experiment results that reveal connections between isolation early in life, and the most tragic failure of parenting, as evidenced by the increase in child homicides??
I hope we discover the reasons/causes of parental failure, and soon.
Our most vulnerable and voiceless deserve to have their physical, emotional, intellectual, and spiritual needs met by parents who understand the importance of providing every child with the best beginnings possible.
It's the birthright of all sentient beings.
Depression isn't some big mystery. It's always a lack of something essential in life. Like hunger or thirst it doesn't go away because its a need not simply a desire.
@@Tokmurokvery true, at least with how my depression feels to me. That's the sad thing with chronic depression though, I don't think I can ever be satisfied and truly happy. I just have to learn to live with it and make the best out of my life. Which is incredibly difficult
secret soviet psychology experiments
Will certainly look into it! Thanks for the suggestion
That poor man
Now imagine aliens are doing it to us
Great content
I should probably be angry, but I honestly don't feel anything anymore.
It's too bad we can no longer study the causes and effects of severe emotional traumas; our lack of understanding of these psychological phenomenon now contributes to the rising rates of depression and social disorders. If we could study it, we might be able to learn how to take better care of our coming generations.
Your statement is like saying "It's too bad we can no longer study the effects of treating sever burns on flesh by setting fire to monkeys." The research can and is still being done, but doing so at the expense of our humanity is not a worthwhile price to pay, AND the research is still being done.
@@jayd6372 I know what my statement is like. Doing this kind of research by using real people and just waiting for extreme cases to come along and hoping we get to study them is like trying to boil a pot of water by leaving it outside and hoping it rains, and then gets hot enough.
Also, "at the expense of our humanity"? Are we gonna pretend that this sort of thing isn't part of human nature because it's distasteful? If anything, extremes like this would seem to give us a look into just what humanity truly can be.
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@TheEniqma I wonder if this is generational trauma among the monkeys as well. The parents got depressed due to isolation and further traumatised the children by neglecting and abusing them. Living beings learn from their surroundings early in life. Who knows if they continue this same evil down their generations as well ? What do you think ?
Helplessness
Loneliness
Feeling of trapped
Sunk in a well of despair
I would love to see the tunnel of fear!!!
Imagine these monkeys as us humans and some aliens testing on us like this ???
Harry Harlow is a HERO!
Strip the infant from its mother immediately after birth give it nothing but a wire cone with a bottle once it's able to get around it's forced into the pit of dispair basically a pit you're unable to escape unable to move around. I love how this thing broke a monkey in 30 days. the tunnel of tare was the greatest ever nothing to cling to but wire as a monster scares it
I'm sorry but what in the fresh fuck are you talking about this is literally animal cruelty (if you're being sarcastic please forgive me I'm terrible with this sort of thing)
🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 yeesss he was lol I've been trying to look up alot of these videos but I'm guessing they have been pulled from YT
He is my hero! Destroyer of tree rats!
You people are sick.
I wish I could find the tunnel of terror
And jet we still put the prisoners(slaves)in to isolations and it,s still legal.
Why?
The studies were cruel but it was one the things that allowed the world to grow.
Modernity is awesome, we are so advanced in treating mental and physical problems nowdays and may it keep evolving.
we are advanced in many ways, but today we are allowing children to sterilize themselves and destroy their lives.. calling it transfriendly.
The people who push this are every bit as arrogant and dangerous as Harlow was, and children are, again, the victims.
After doing these things that man went to an useless electric therapy to cure his own depression.
He advanced nothing lmao.
Can caring mothers cure autism?
7:38 nope, I'm impressed and wondering in awe at how genius these things are, we can use them on humans!
And you only need to learn the benefits of these so-called crises and illnesses once pushed to an extreme to see how much better they make you.
@@INTJ-psychopath nah man this isnt psycopathy you have, its retardation lmaooo
@@INTJ-psychopathDelusional
It’s anyway not anyways
Sick man 😳
so cruel. damn you
I think demonizing science is a big mistake, so long as it obeys the law. As messed up as it is, this sort of data is invaluable.
Torture is acceptable to you? I assume you have no problem with surgically changing a boy , to a girl like being then, or girl to boy like. Sterile, 99,99% will die early, they will be miserable for a large part of their lives when they understand what happened to them.. But hey, all ok in the name of science, right,, I mean who really cares about animals, or children anyway.. playthings , thats all they are to people with your mindset.
And dont pretend otherwise, you defend torture.. you are sick.
"For the science" shouldn't be a magic word to get aways with doing the worst things you can imagine.
@@dylanhelvetios2300if it contributes.
Yeah... Maybe I would've been angry at one time, but nowadays I look at this and feel nothing. Desensitized or dead inside?
@@Pleiades_Erret How about.. experimenting with adult sex with infants.. to see if that may cause any kind of physical or psycological change in the child later.. would that too be ok.. it woukd be contributing after all? If so, which children should be used?
I thought it was a success
He’s helping society 😂😂
Jees people get so
Upset about a couple nasty rats
Take your unreasonable monkey hate somewhere else
Why do you call them rats? What is up with people and hating monkeys for absolutely no reason.
@@tinkcrow my bad tree rats. They are dirty nasty critters. They eat anything. They behave worse than rats. If you lived around them the cute behavior wears off quickly when you see how they actuallly are.
@@LordDreggar They are animals for crying out loud. Do you expect them to act like humans?
@@tinkcrow nope and I don’t like all humans either. So tree rats are nasty and I despise them. I didn’t know I needed your permission. You asked me why and I told you. If you don’t like answers don’t asked questions
. Simple really! 😃
> _"Think about that. 3 months to 1 year of no contact whatsoever!"_
Is that somehow supposed to impress me? Those are rookie numbers.
In monkey years that's ×7
This is sad.
As for the recommended subject: You could dive into the psychology of psychopaths and their use in war, as an executioner, or other such dark positions in society that need to be done, yet are harshly gruesome. I've always wondered why they don't put psychos into war first instead of normal men... it would seem to make more sense to put the ones who would likely even enjoy killing in first? IDK maybe I'M a psychopath.... Actually... Hold on I should probably get that checked up.
I thought about asking for the first "transgender", but that'd be to controversial at this point in society though. (Sadly, we know that most of them (even nowadays) regret the decisions afterward, even still with all the support they get.) I hope the best for them, but it seems like many (if not most) would be better off without having tried it.
Dark subjects of a deteriorating society... interesting in the most unnerving way...
There is a reason why the military does not send murderers and sociopaths to the front lines. Most modern militaries try to have ethical conflicts. War crimes are a serious issue. US Military in particular has constant retraining on War Crimes, Ethics of Lawful Orders, and Issuing Responsible Lawful/Ethical Orders. Yet we still have instances where war crimes have happened. We try our best to prevent these horrible tragedies. We can only do so much because war does unnatural things to the human psyche.
Military requires discipline. One of the key elements of being a psychopath is disregard for rules. There is already a fundamental problem with military and psychopaths.
As for the second part... can't take that seriously.