Some other notably unethical psych experiments I found interesting were: -Little Albert: they conditioned a baby to fear rabbits and other things that one wouldn't find scary. -Monster Study: they belittled the speech of non-stuttering children to the point where they made them stutter. -Milgram Obedience Study: they wanted to see how far people would take orders from an authority figure by making them electrically shock a person (person was only acting, but participants believed it was real), causing a lot psychological distress. -Stanford Prison Experiment: shit basically hit the fan and the researcher, Zimbardo, roleplayed a little too hard. There's probs tons more, but these are usually the textbook examples. If yous know any more that are interesting, feel free to reply with them.
@@amousenamedjay6638 not fake but the result was invalidated. The whole concept was something like "if you give someone an authority, how quickly will they start to abuse it without realizing it". After the first two weeks or so, the head of the thing basically just plain told the guard to start intentionally acting more cruel. This combined with the fact the experiment was supposed to be over by now, alot of fights happened. After 3 days of it they dissolved the experiment perhaps realizing that locking 10 people in a box and being a dick to them might not be ethical. Im just kidding, they didn't realize that. The head of the project deemed it a successful proof and later the study was used in a court of law by a cadet who had joined his Sargent in robbing a bank. The cadet would be released based on these findings and a bitnof back and fourth, and later admitted he was fully aware he was just trying to rob a bank.
@@chicharraun8525 essentially there's this "streamer" on twitch that goes by the name of jerma985. the vessel goes by jerma or Jeremy elberston. basically it's an AI creation meant to gather data on how fanbases interact with popular white male content creators. so far the "streamer" has gained a mass following and many people are catching on to the fact that he isn't actually a real person.
I’ve always though The concept of Reddit was a experiment gone wrong . Edit:Thanks guys ,didn’t expect this thing to blow up .What do you think about the Discord Experiment?
i wonder what would happen if you got a set of identical twins, separated them at birth, never tell them twins exist, convince them they are the same person and then place them in the same room
fun fact about the first one. they did it again with rats, giveing the choice between regular and spicked water. when rats could socalise with others not one of them drank the spiked one
Oh my God the third wave. We, 10th grade did the same experiment in our class after reading a boom about it. We simply called ourselves "the wave" Some people took it very seriously as a joke but it got genuine pretty soon and to this day, 4 years after I see graffiti of the symbol we created as far as in other suburbs and cities
He was only a subject in one of these, him being a part of MK Ultra was purely speculation about the experiment he was already apart of and never confirmed.
There was a study on nature vs. nurture a few decades ago, where identical triplets were separated at birth and adopted to different families. The study never actually got published though, but there's a documentary about what is known about the experiment + the subjects' lives once they learn about each others' existence. The movie's called Three Identical Strangers
@@ongobongo8333 Regarding the mind and mental processes, both have their own ways of analysing it. Although some perspectives in psychology, like psychoanalytic theories, are more theoretical based or use clinical observations, most modern perspectives rely heavily on the scientific method and empiricism. Philosophy of mind however, is purely theoretical and don't really do any empirical experiments. They attempt to understand the mind using thought experiments, arguments, syllogisms and logic and a bunch of other things. Both influence each other, so it'd be a bit unfair to say one is a cheap version of another.
So nobody thought for a second "Wait monkeys don't have a system of measurement and all of these drugs can kill you pretty easily." FFS. That was my immediate first thought.
I think the gender one is really interesting. As a trans guy that’s both experienced and has spoke to many others that are trans and have experienced gender identity change, what the kid felt is much like what trans people feel, almost exactly like. The only difference is we never started off life as our preferred gender, but our brains are still wired to feel the same discomfort and depression as he did. It really makes me think of the concept of us trans people in the first place, maybe somehow, in a past life or as a spirit before a body, we too were our preferred gender, and somehow became placed in the wrong type of body. Really interesting stuff
@@TrinidadianloveTrans people also commit suicide at an alarming rate due to the intense mental distress they feel by not living in the proper gender. So yes, this proves that being trans is real and valid and access to trans healthcare is necessary.
I always find it funny that US patriotism is a thing when MK ultra, y’know, _existed,_ and the sad part is it’s not even close to being the worst thing done under it.
Because America is more than its biggest flaws? Should Germans not have pride in themselves because of Adolf Hitler? What kind of depressing self hatred ideology is that?
So then, nobody can be proud of their country? Because every country on earth has had awful stuff happen in it’s history. Why would you hate all the positive things that a country has to offer just because of some event in the past that neither you, nor any other living person was involved with? I think people can be patriotic while still admitting that their homeland has flaws. I’m not American by the way. And I know the U.S is full of flaws. I just think that you kind of chose a bizarre example to use when trying to explain why people shouldn’t be proud of the country they live in.
Like yeah. I understand there would be nothing to be Patriotic about in North Korea. It’s a literal hellhole with a long history of treating it’s citizens like animals. But can I be patriotic about living in Australia? Or am I expected to hate my country because of what happened to indigenous people here 200 years ago?
Keep in mind the CIA regularly went against the constitution and its official goal: to operate on foreign soil, not domestic. The CIA as such isn’t really representative or indicative of US patriotism.
Some individuals should NOT be doctors, and instead be treated for their mental instability. That is what I fear as time passes, all the young individuals wanting to be future doctors and other vital figures, who were exposed to all this crap during the turning point of the 2010s. Individuals who follow agendas instead of following their professions standard, terrify me.
I mean it was use to help strengthen Adorno's authoritarian personality theory in application the Nazi Germany, a reality which had not soon just ended at the time of Milgram's recordings, todays standards yes utterly insane but at the time ehh
"the american experiment" where european monarchs attempted to see how long they could convince a countries population that it is independent while remaining under the complete control of outside entities. and how much harm they could get away with doing by using a proxy to commit mass crimes against humanity
@@benjammin3829 also the literal trillions in aid just thrown away to them so they can be pampered and have lives of nothing more than vacations and luxuries
Here is your reminder that John Money’s ideas contradict modern gender studies as we now recognize gender is not learned, it is an inherent self-identity relevant to others, but is still very much a social construct! Because it exists relevant to others in a social setting. Money forced someone who understood himself to be a boy, who felt more at home in things considered masculine, to have a female sex and try to identify femininely. Regardless of his sex, female during the experiments, his gender was male. He understood himself to be male wether or not his body was wether or not he was raised to be a girl. Because hormones and upbringing don’t change your gender. It’s inborn. And it can be trans, because again, sex isn’t gender. Sex is your traits relevant to reproduction. Your penis, vagina, ovaries, testicles. We can naturally be born with a mix of male and female sex traits so it isn’t perfectly binary. Gender is our social understanding of ourselves relevant to others! Wether we are more feminine than this person or more masculine than that person! Wether we feel more suited to a role or trait considered masculine or more suited to a role or trait considered more feminine! Wether we feel femininity and masculinity is an accurate way of measuring ourselves at all! A man in a world with no women is not a man, he is simply human, because there is nothing but man to compare with. He will have no sense of what a man is or does because he has no sense of what anything but man is or does. Hope this helps!
The David Reimer story is such a sad tale. It’s even worse when you realize there are people who still support John Money’s work and still push it today.
Are you talking about his “gender neutrality” theory, or are you equating modern gender reassignment to Money’s abuse of a child? Because the first is right, you can’t force anyone to identify with a gender that they simply don’t see as themselves. We’re all pressured in one way or another to conform to gender roles and stereotypes of appearance, but most of us find identity and comfort in the gender we’re assigned by others. Choosing to identify as a woman because you choose to is radically different from forced feminization and being called “girl” by all of the adults around you despite every fiber of your being saying you’re a boy.
@@Thobeian it is not radically different; it’s the same except now we have patients with genital apotemnophilia looking to turn doctors into enablers, and they use John Money’s same radical belief system to justify their unhinged pathologies. Manhood and womanhood isn’t a choice; nobody chooses their DNA. Not to say that they are as sexually dimorphic as our culture wants to believe, and that they cannot share similar issues (or at times look more similar with people of certain androgynous phenotypes) but at the end of the argument, you either have two X chromosomes or a Y, and a body naturally running off of primarily testosterone or a cocktail of estrogens and other female hormones. This is the typical course of mammalian evolution, which adheres strongly to bilateral sexual evolution moreso than other animal groups. Any attempt to stray outside of that - short of sheer aestheticism - is a dangerous attempt to gaslight the narrative into enabling abuse and proliferation of identity disorders, and the only reason it is accepted today is to garner funding and to neuter a sector of the populace instead of researching and treating underlying causes.
@@pythonkeeper148 bio essentialism is a pseudoscience that no professional has seriously supported since the 50s. Gender is both cognitive and social, but very little of it is genetic.
@@pythonkeeper148 Actually no. Money believes gender was LEARNED as well as being socially constructed. Modern day psychology tells us gender is INHERENT and socially constructed. That’s why we say we are born trans. As I am. Money’s experiments went so far as to very grossly abuse the children because he wanted to see wether he could force a boy to be a girl or vice versa. Today trans people know it cannot be learned, you are born with it. So one can not convince a cis boy he is a girl, nor a trans boy he is a girl. Money’s experiments sought to press the idea that David could be taught to be a girl, modern transition is about helping people who already know they’re trans. Your sex and your gender are different. Your having a penis doesn’t decide wether you feel comfortable in a dress, your having a penis doesn’t decide if you like she her pronouns. Because without the social construct that is gender telling you that these things aren’t suited for you you wouldn’t have any reason to feel wierd about it. Please please I am begging you GOOGLE the shit you talk about and go to sources and papers that are peer reviewed BEFORE you decide to make yourself look like a hateful ass.
Doesn't the doctor who unethically altered and years after installed an illusion of rules and protocols to be "female" literally going against his whole hypothesis. Like not to be a stupid college kid with blue hair and pronouns but it seems like there were so many holes to this hypothesis that it looks more like an experiment to know how much autonomy can one control over an individuals development. Which again. That would be a really weird experiment to want to normalize considering the poor quality of life the child endured. He just proved that telling someone "no" to their identity all their life will def drive them fuckin nuts. I had paused the video before hearing both took their lives. Yea. The worst part is that seems to be the only conclusion without the opportunity to leave and express ones true identity. Too many kids with forced identity issues by normalized ideals that control autonomy. The doctor had full authority over their lives. For no other reason than a botched circumcision.
@@Max-nt5zs who should I believe the general consensus that gender is innate but mostly influenced by external societal aspect fluctuating along a spectrum, or, an 8yo RUclips account with 8 subscribers?
@@griggorirasputin6555 slight correction- the self-perception and gender identity is a mixture of innate and external affectors. Gender itself I believe is a construct, but it is not a structurally sound concept from what little I have read and experienced.
The kid's gender was male and he was raised female. He experienced gender dysphoria. As scans of trans people's brains have shown, there is a biological part of gender identity. If you forcefully transition someone, they will feel the same gender dysphoria as a trans person feels from birth.
while what money did was horrendous, it did show one thing: no matter how you're raised or socialized, you are always your gender. And I don't mean sex, though that was the case here, what I mean is that if you try to raise a trans child as their gender assigned at birth, they will not identify that way. Gender is hard coded somewhere in the brain, and it is not defined by our genitals. The issue comes with our ability to express gender, whether through language or otherwise. It's really hard to explain *why* you are your gender because it's an innate feeling, it just *is.*
thank you, im glad some people got this takeaway. as a trans person myself that story is often used as an argument to say that trans people aren't real and you're always the gender that your body aligns with, but in reality it shows what happens when you're forced to be the gender you aren't. in that story they forced a cisgender guy to be trans and he took his life after experiencing extreme gender dysphoria and being bullied for it, in so, so many others including mine, trans people feel dysphoric, depressed, and often kill themselves as a result. gender dysphoria can affect anyone, and it's serious.
I really wander what those monkeys were hallucinating, like as someone who hallucinates (not because of drug use) I wander if monkeys maybe see things like demons kinda like I do, auditory hallucinations I wander what that would consist of
Bro you could not have written a cringier comment. Reminds me of that pic with Dr House, Rick, The Doctor and Sherlock with the caption "A debate between these 4 would be legendary!"
Some of these aren’t experiments, rather case studies due to the inability to replicate them ethically. Also some of these just aren’t set up as excitements.
john money was a fucking weirdo and we Hate him here but we also hate the grifters who claim that his theories are what the modern so called """gender ideology""" are built on.
Check out Damien Echols PLEASE. It would be cool if you could do a video on him. Stranger Things has a character based on him, he was wrongly accused and givin the death sentence as a teen.. from it he learned magic, you have to look into it.
They didn't go "down the evolutionary tree" - they couldn't possibly test our ancestors. They tested our closest possible living relatives that have undergone their own evolutionary influence. Rookie mistake.
6:42 as an anti-natalist I find it both cruel and funny how the parent fully consent to this study being done to their child, as I imagine their was financial or fame claims as reward. So it was mainly their fault on multiple levels
How against babies are you? Are we talking about throwing them from helicopters or just bitching and moaning on the intenet about other people having kids? The first one seems like a good time. Let me know where you stand, bro.
Psychology is limited by the fact that to be regarded as a Science they need data from tens of thousands if not more. Which is cost prohibitive. So they 'invent' shortcuts and those are usually a freak show. As far as I can tell it is the first choice study of people with a speech impediment or some other embarrassing affliction. If we truly want to understand the human condition we need Science and that means primarily understanding the genome to understand our instincts, the subsequent effect of the suite of neurotransmitters and hormones that augment and reinforce those instincts. IOW there is a shared blueprint and therefore producing 'blueprinted' or completely-enabled reproductions of human life to be regarded as a successful alpha species. Plenty of variety there, but still sharing a birthright of courage, resilience, seeking capabilities and sociability. Fatal flaw: we invent Gods.
@@valentinipinto The confluence of the unavoidable factors involved in our design will describe our 'blueprint'. I mentioned the internal drugs, but also there are the interconnected ways the brain is wired: the acceleration provided by myelin: the concentrated limitations by 'the getting of wisdom', etc. An imperfect design given the deaf, dumb and blind 'creator' but it is all we have. RUclips starter help - Robert Sapolsky (re: brain wiring). Also Sinek (re: drugs) and J. Haidt (re: morality). Cheers.
So...experimenting on monkeys with cocaine was unethical because making cocaine freely available to voluntary humans would deprive dealers from part of their livelihood?
Bra how you do it when everyone is just against you in life I’m speaking fro. My experience...idk bra I feel like I’m gonna do something stupid I just need someone to tell me they love me rn
ill never understand why ppl make all educational videos so dang boring! this is such an interesting topic but I just cant bring myself to watch this monotone snoozer
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Ted becoming the Unabomber felt like it was a goddamn analog horror LOL
The transition from the stick figure to TED FUCKING KACZYNSKI
6:04 still happens today on intersex children, many don’t find out until they get diagnosed with major health problems/infertility in adulthood
Some other notably unethical psych experiments I found interesting were:
-Little Albert: they conditioned a baby to fear rabbits and other things that one wouldn't find scary.
-Monster Study: they belittled the speech of non-stuttering children to the point where they made them stutter.
-Milgram Obedience Study: they wanted to see how far people would take orders from an authority figure by making them electrically shock a person (person was only acting, but participants believed it was real), causing a lot psychological distress.
-Stanford Prison Experiment: shit basically hit the fan and the researcher, Zimbardo, roleplayed a little too hard.
There's probs tons more, but these are usually the textbook examples. If yous know any more that are interesting, feel free to reply with them.
The Stanford one is proven to be fake tho
Same as milgrams study
@@ESALTEREGO it's literally an actual real experiment tho?? Which part is fake?
@@amousenamedjay6638 not fake but the result was invalidated. The whole concept was something like "if you give someone an authority, how quickly will they start to abuse it without realizing it". After the first two weeks or so, the head of the thing basically just plain told the guard to start intentionally acting more cruel. This combined with the fact the experiment was supposed to be over by now, alot of fights happened.
After 3 days of it they dissolved the experiment perhaps realizing that locking 10 people in a box and being a dick to them might not be ethical.
Im just kidding, they didn't realize that. The head of the project deemed it a successful proof and later the study was used in a court of law by a cadet who had joined his Sargent in robbing a bank. The cadet would be released based on these findings and a bitnof back and fourth, and later admitted he was fully aware he was just trying to rob a bank.
@@Driver-qt9jh oh yeah, Zimbardo def contributed to the extraneous variables- experimenter effects woo…
My personal favorite psychological experiment so far has been the Jerma985 project
I need context
@@chicharraun8525 Ok,
damn i was gonna say the same. jerma truly is a spectacle
@@chicharraun8525 essentially there's this "streamer" on twitch that goes by the name of jerma985. the vessel goes by jerma or Jeremy elberston. basically it's an AI creation meant to gather data on how fanbases interact with popular white male content creators. so far the "streamer" has gained a mass following and many people are catching on to the fact that he isn't actually a real person.
@@jarofjam what is "jerma"?
I only watch psycopath on steam
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I’ve always though The concept of Reddit was a experiment gone wrong .
Edit:Thanks guys ,didn’t expect this thing to blow up .What do you think about the Discord Experiment?
LOL fair enough. IMO Reddit is like a public school teacher's faculty lounge. Adults with a juvenile mentality
That’s 4chan!
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i wonder what would happen if you got a set of identical twins, separated them at birth, never tell them twins exist, convince them they are the same person and then place them in the same room
That's really dark and unethical but that would be interesting... maybe as a book idea?
wow that sounds pretty interesting...shame it would be a inhumane thing to do, but sure curious in a way.
Interesting. I think that would drive them insane and if they ever DID figure it out somehow, they would really hate you.
I feel like not enough people talk about John Money what he has done, I feel bad for those boys
fun fact about the first one. they did it again with rats, giveing the choice between regular and spicked water. when rats could socalise with others not one of them drank the spiked one
Oh my God the third wave. We, 10th grade did the same experiment in our class after reading a boom about it. We simply called ourselves "the wave" Some people took it very seriously as a joke but it got genuine pretty soon and to this day, 4 years after I see graffiti of the symbol we created as far as in other suburbs and cities
Heh I read a book based off that expirement titled “the wave”
I didn’t really understand it. If you could, would you please go into detail so I get a better idea about the third wave?
I remember studying the Third Wave in my Power in Psychology class! Thank you for reminding me king
Time to start a forth...
John money to put it simply, gave those brothers gender dysphoria
MK Ultra felt a little too easy but at least it wasn't Stanford
The Stanford Prison Experiment and MK Ultra were the two that lept to my mind. When neither one was mentioned by number two, I thought SPE was next.
what a wholesome episode we have today
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I feel so much for those given huge doses of psychedelics and then tormented :(
Anyone else think it's interesting that the unibomber was actually a subject in 2 of these?
He was only a subject in one of these, him being a part of MK Ultra was purely speculation about the experiment he was already apart of and never confirmed.
There was a study on nature vs. nurture a few decades ago, where identical triplets were separated at birth and adopted to different families. The study never actually got published though, but there's a documentary about what is known about the experiment + the subjects' lives once they learn about each others' existence. The movie's called Three Identical Strangers
this channel is why i took psychology
same
Psychology is just cheap philosophy
It's also really cool tho
@@ongobongo8333 psychology is applied philosophy. Both are important.
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Regarding the mind and mental processes, both have their own ways of analysing it.
Although some perspectives in psychology, like psychoanalytic theories, are more theoretical based or use clinical observations, most modern perspectives rely heavily on the scientific method and empiricism.
Philosophy of mind however, is purely theoretical and don't really do any empirical experiments. They attempt to understand the mind using thought experiments, arguments, syllogisms and logic and a bunch of other things.
Both influence each other, so it'd be a bit unfair to say one is a cheap version of another.
So nobody thought for a second "Wait monkeys don't have a system of measurement and all of these drugs can kill you pretty easily." FFS. That was my immediate first thought.
I mean. One banana two banana. Maybe they put low amounts per dose
I actually did a school project over the Monkey Drug Trials, it was very interesting to research.
I think the gender one is really interesting. As a trans guy that’s both experienced and has spoke to many others that are trans and have experienced gender identity change, what the kid felt is much like what trans people feel, almost exactly like. The only difference is we never started off life as our preferred gender, but our brains are still wired to feel the same discomfort and depression as he did. It really makes me think of the concept of us trans people in the first place, maybe somehow, in a past life or as a spirit before a body, we too were our preferred gender, and somehow became placed in the wrong type of body. Really interesting stuff
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Really? Two kids killed themselves as a result of this study and all you have to say about it is that it's interesting?
@@Trinidadianlove and people wonder why trans people should get gender affirming care, same thing.
Exactly. This is scientific proof that gender identity is real, disphoria is real, and being transgender is a real thing.
@@TrinidadianloveTrans people also commit suicide at an alarming rate due to the intense mental distress they feel by not living in the proper gender. So yes, this proves that being trans is real and valid and access to trans healthcare is necessary.
I always find it funny that US patriotism is a thing when MK ultra, y’know, _existed,_ and the sad part is it’s not even close to being the worst thing done under it.
Because America is more than its biggest flaws? Should Germans not have pride in themselves because of Adolf Hitler? What kind of depressing self hatred ideology is that?
Right there with ya on that
So then, nobody can be proud of their country? Because every country on earth has had awful stuff happen in it’s history. Why would you hate all the positive things that a country has to offer just because of some event in the past that neither you, nor any other living person was involved with?
I think people can be patriotic while still admitting that their homeland has flaws.
I’m not American by the way. And I know the U.S is full of flaws.
I just think that you kind of chose a bizarre example to use when trying to explain why people shouldn’t be proud of the country they live in.
Like yeah. I understand there would be nothing to be Patriotic about in North Korea. It’s a literal hellhole with a long history of treating it’s citizens like animals.
But can I be patriotic about living in Australia? Or am I expected to hate my country because of what happened to indigenous people here 200 years ago?
Keep in mind the CIA regularly went against the constitution and its official goal: to operate on foreign soil, not domestic.
The CIA as such isn’t really representative or indicative of US patriotism.
I did a deep study on Milgram experiment, which was pretty horrifying
Love these videos, you should make a long one to watch during study hall
3 awesome videos in a week? Make sure to get enough rest!
Ask the unabomber & manson about crazy psychology experiments
Uncle Ted is a good man.
I'm loving these new videos bro.
Some individuals should NOT be doctors, and instead be treated for their mental instability. That is what I fear as time passes, all the young individuals wanting to be future doctors and other vital figures, who were exposed to all this crap during the turning point of the 2010s. Individuals who follow agendas instead of following their professions standard, terrify me.
we read the book based on the third wave in english and watched the german movie in ethics in 8th grade. it was pretty heavy at the time imo
stanford prison experiment or electric shock experiment should be on there in my opinion
The Dollop have an amazing episode on the third wave, it's absolutely crazy!!!
What about Milgram, the obedience experiment
Thats not that cazy if you recall it was around nazi Germany i believe
@@jerben9462 yeah it was aiming to recreate obedience like nazis acted “I’m just doing what was told of me” with “shocking” stooges/confederates
I mean it was use to help strengthen Adorno's authoritarian personality theory in application the Nazi Germany, a reality which had not soon just ended at the time of Milgram's recordings, todays standards yes utterly insane but at the time ehh
This was good , the best experiment to me is the Radio Raj 100 pounds project
"the american experiment" where european monarchs attempted to see how long they could convince a countries population that it is independent while remaining under the complete control of outside entities. and how much harm they could get away with doing by using a proxy to commit mass crimes against humanity
Wait how was the US being controlled?
@@benjammin3829 WITH MIND BULLETS!
@@benjammin3829 also the literal trillions in aid just thrown away to them so they can be pampered and have lives of nothing more than vacations and luxuries
@@benjammin3829 yall know commenting with sock accounts just makes everything you say immediately read as trolling right?
@@saturationstation1446 I’m not a sock account it was a genuine question
The 2nd experiment has to be one of the most messed up things I've ever heard of
Ikr like who would let us hear from his sponsor??
Here is your reminder that John Money’s ideas contradict modern gender studies as we now recognize gender is not learned, it is an inherent self-identity relevant to others, but is still very much a social construct! Because it exists relevant to others in a social setting.
Money forced someone who understood himself to be a boy, who felt more at home in things considered masculine, to have a female sex and try to identify femininely. Regardless of his sex, female during the experiments, his gender was male. He understood himself to be male wether or not his body was wether or not he was raised to be a girl.
Because hormones and upbringing don’t change your gender. It’s inborn. And it can be trans, because again, sex isn’t gender.
Sex is your traits relevant to reproduction. Your penis, vagina, ovaries, testicles. We can naturally be born with a mix of male and female sex traits so it isn’t perfectly binary.
Gender is our social understanding of ourselves relevant to others! Wether we are more feminine than this person or more masculine than that person! Wether we feel more suited to a role or trait considered masculine or more suited to a role or trait considered more feminine! Wether we feel femininity and masculinity is an accurate way of measuring ourselves at all!
A man in a world with no women is not a man, he is simply human, because there is nothing but man to compare with. He will have no sense of what a man is or does because he has no sense of what anything but man is or does.
Hope this helps!
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The David Reimer story is such a sad tale. It’s even worse when you realize there are people who still support John Money’s work and still push it today.
Are you talking about his “gender neutrality” theory, or are you equating modern gender reassignment to Money’s abuse of a child?
Because the first is right, you can’t force anyone to identify with a gender that they simply don’t see as themselves. We’re all pressured in one way or another to conform to gender roles and stereotypes of appearance, but most of us find identity and comfort in the gender we’re assigned by others. Choosing to identify as a woman because you choose to is radically different from forced feminization and being called “girl” by all of the adults around you despite every fiber of your being saying you’re a boy.
name literally one person!
@@Thobeian it is not radically different; it’s the same except now we have patients with genital apotemnophilia looking to turn doctors into enablers, and they use John Money’s same radical belief system to justify their unhinged pathologies.
Manhood and womanhood isn’t a choice; nobody chooses their DNA. Not to say that they are as sexually dimorphic as our culture wants to believe, and that they cannot share similar issues (or at times look more similar with people of certain androgynous phenotypes) but at the end of the argument, you either have two X chromosomes or a Y, and a body naturally running off of primarily testosterone or a cocktail of estrogens and other female hormones. This is the typical course of mammalian evolution, which adheres strongly to bilateral sexual evolution moreso than other animal groups. Any attempt to stray outside of that - short of sheer aestheticism - is a dangerous attempt to gaslight the narrative into enabling abuse and proliferation of identity disorders, and the only reason it is accepted today is to garner funding and to neuter a sector of the populace instead of researching and treating underlying causes.
@@pythonkeeper148 bio essentialism is a pseudoscience that no professional has seriously supported since the 50s. Gender is both cognitive and social, but very little of it is genetic.
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Actually no. Money believes gender was LEARNED as well as being socially constructed. Modern day psychology tells us gender is INHERENT and socially constructed. That’s why we say we are born trans. As I am.
Money’s experiments went so far as to very grossly abuse the children because he wanted to see wether he could force a boy to be a girl or vice versa. Today trans people know it cannot be learned, you are born with it. So one can not convince a cis boy he is a girl, nor a trans boy he is a girl.
Money’s experiments sought to press the idea that David could be taught to be a girl, modern transition is about helping people who already know they’re trans.
Your sex and your gender are different. Your having a penis doesn’t decide wether you feel comfortable in a dress, your having a penis doesn’t decide if you like she her pronouns. Because without the social construct that is gender telling you that these things aren’t suited for you you wouldn’t have any reason to feel wierd about it.
Please please I am begging you GOOGLE the shit you talk about and go to sources and papers that are peer reviewed BEFORE you decide to make yourself look like a hateful ass.
Big bang theory + Frasure and the laugh track... what? that's some serious social conditioning. and people like it.
Can we get some Harry Harlow hate up in here?
You can't make an omelet without killing few monkeys
C.I.A. we know how to party!
If yall havent seen the movie ‘Die Welle’ yet, I highly recommend it. It’s a movie about nr 4
Doesn't the doctor who unethically altered and years after installed an illusion of rules and protocols to be "female" literally going against his whole hypothesis. Like not to be a stupid college kid with blue hair and pronouns but it seems like there were so many holes to this hypothesis that it looks more like an experiment to know how much autonomy can one control over an individuals development. Which again. That would be a really weird experiment to want to normalize considering the poor quality of life the child endured. He just proved that telling someone "no" to their identity all their life will def drive them fuckin nuts.
I had paused the video before hearing both took their lives. Yea. The worst part is that seems to be the only conclusion without the opportunity to leave and express ones true identity. Too many kids with forced identity issues by normalized ideals that control autonomy.
The doctor had full authority over their lives. For no other reason than a botched circumcision.
@@Max-nt5zs who should I believe the general consensus that gender is innate but mostly influenced by external societal aspect fluctuating along a spectrum, or, an 8yo RUclips account with 8 subscribers?
@@ondrejprasil1958 you sounded like you just said that it isn’t a construct with the word innate
@@griggorirasputin6555 slight correction- the self-perception and gender identity is a mixture of innate and external affectors. Gender itself I believe is a construct, but it is not a structurally sound concept from what little I have read and experienced.
@@Max-nt5zs Gender is a construct
The kid's gender was male and he was raised female. He experienced gender dysphoria.
As scans of trans people's brains have shown, there is a biological part of gender identity.
If you forcefully transition someone, they will feel the same gender dysphoria as a trans person feels from birth.
while what money did was horrendous, it did show one thing: no matter how you're raised or socialized, you are always your gender. And I don't mean sex, though that was the case here, what I mean is that if you try to raise a trans child as their gender assigned at birth, they will not identify that way. Gender is hard coded somewhere in the brain, and it is not defined by our genitals. The issue comes with our ability to express gender, whether through language or otherwise. It's really hard to explain *why* you are your gender because it's an innate feeling, it just *is.*
most cis people would get dysphoric in the wrong body. trans people just got unlucky L now spend 6 morbillion on estrogen
thank you, im glad some people got this takeaway. as a trans person myself that story is often used as an argument to say that trans people aren't real and you're always the gender that your body aligns with, but in reality it shows what happens when you're forced to be the gender you aren't. in that story they forced a cisgender guy to be trans and he took his life after experiencing extreme gender dysphoria and being bullied for it, in so, so many others including mine, trans people feel dysphoric, depressed, and often kill themselves as a result. gender dysphoria can affect anyone, and it's serious.
It certainly should run _"Johns Hopkins",_ at 5:47, rather than "John Hopkins".
I really wander what those monkeys were hallucinating, like as someone who hallucinates (not because of drug use) I wander if monkeys maybe see things like demons kinda like I do, auditory hallucinations I wander what that would consist of
I would like to watch a philosophical battle with u and Exurb1a, it would be glorious
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Bro you could not have written a cringier comment. Reminds me of that pic with Dr House, Rick, The Doctor and Sherlock with the caption "A debate between these 4 would be legendary!"
How about a fight to the death, would be even more epic
I love your music. Got me through a rough time
Some of these aren’t experiments, rather case studies due to the inability to replicate them ethically. Also some of these just aren’t set up as excitements.
I just love those videos man!
i love ur videos Sisyphus 55
i was watching this on my laptop as i got the notif on my phone
Science cant progress without heaps.
3:15 there's a movie based off of this (it's Russian I think)
Reimer. Hmmmm sound familiar anyone?
makes sense
The Jerma985 experiment ?
Hey man, Woha!
sex change without even consent 🙄
found a schizoid
john money was a fucking weirdo and we Hate him here but we also hate the grifters who claim that his theories are what the modern so called """gender ideology""" are built on.
English much?
@@darksu6947 huh?
@@ritikaggarwal9386 Huh? What? Who? Where? Why?
I came here for philosophy, found monke. Not disappointed
Lots of monkeys died...anyways todays video sponsor is Blinkest
@7:15, you must have meant “…and took them to UNDISCLOSED locations.”, correct?
Check out Damien Echols PLEASE. It would be cool if you could do a video on him. Stranger Things has a character based on him, he was wrongly accused and givin the death sentence as a teen.. from it he learned magic, you have to look into it.
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luv ur vids
I love these videos
Half of this video was an advertisement.
5:46 interesting
They didn't go "down the evolutionary tree" - they couldn't possibly test our ancestors.
They tested our closest possible living relatives that have undergone their own evolutionary influence.
Rookie mistake.
The one where I’m gang stalked
6:42 as an anti-natalist I find it both cruel and funny how the parent fully consent to this study being done to their child, as I imagine their was financial or fame claims as reward.
So it was mainly their fault on multiple levels
How against babies are you? Are we talking about throwing them from helicopters or just bitching and moaning on the intenet about other people having kids? The first one seems like a good time. Let me know where you stand, bro.
Dr. Money 💀
Why all this shit happen in the US?
Technically much of MK Ultra happened in Canada under a UK doctor.
Following a charismatic leader. Smacks of this fictional character called Jesus doesn’t it ? What fools believe. 😮
A lot of monkeys died..... By the way! You like books?
Arctic Monkeys! 😵
I wish my teachers were like Mr. Jones and Hitler...
Scientists gave elephants acid once bc why not lol
We learned a lot tho
ethical? what is that a sandwich?
fun posts after the manosphere vidio? i can relate becuse i used to post on reddit
is educating humans an addiction ?
This is not appropriate music for the subject matter lmao
Psychology is limited by the fact that to be regarded as a Science they need data from tens of thousands if not more. Which is cost prohibitive. So they 'invent' shortcuts and those are usually a freak show. As far as I can tell it is the first choice study of people with a speech impediment or some other embarrassing affliction.
If we truly want to understand the human condition we need Science and that means primarily understanding the genome to understand our instincts, the subsequent effect of the suite of neurotransmitters and hormones that augment and reinforce those instincts. IOW there is a shared blueprint and therefore producing 'blueprinted' or completely-enabled reproductions of human life to be regarded as a successful alpha species. Plenty of variety there, but still sharing a birthright of courage, resilience, seeking capabilities and sociability. Fatal flaw: we invent Gods.
What will go next after understanding our instincts?
@@valentinipinto The confluence of the unavoidable factors involved in our design will describe our 'blueprint'.
I mentioned the internal drugs, but also there are the interconnected ways the brain is wired: the acceleration provided by myelin: the concentrated limitations by 'the getting of wisdom', etc. An imperfect design given the deaf, dumb and blind 'creator' but it is all we have.
RUclips starter help - Robert Sapolsky (re: brain wiring). Also Sinek (re: drugs) and J. Haidt (re: morality). Cheers.
This is nice
Holy crap 😳
mhm yes
So...experimenting on monkeys with cocaine was unethical because making cocaine freely available to voluntary humans would deprive dealers from part of their livelihood?
what. tf are u on about 😭 it was unethical bc they killed a bunch of monkeys he literally said that
@@jas7687 he’s making an argument that cocaine should be legal. Nothing to do with the study
@@Max-nt5zs oh ok. he worded it so badly. mans is prob on coke rn 💀💀
I’m sorry ignore that I’m being stupid sorry to bother you 😂if you block me I’ll understand
Wow
Bra how you do it when everyone is just against you in life I’m speaking fro. My experience...idk bra I feel like I’m gonna do something stupid I just need someone to tell me they love me rn
I love you! But there’s Someone that loves you even more
@@valentinipinto thank you🥺❤️
6:57 gosh if this isn’t proof to listen to trans people I don’t know what is.
I'm not nuts about you leaning so heavily on Don Hertzfeldts animation style. I appreciate the influence, but don't rip him off.
Woah
ill never understand why ppl make all educational videos so dang boring! this is such an interesting topic but I just cant bring myself to watch this monotone snoozer
Cool
Trust the science, guys!! 🤓
The craziest one is going on right now! (God help me)
Jk
The waffle house has found it’s new host
Pp
Hopefully experiments like this are still on going
sorry what
Lmao you wild for that
You okay dude