Why Proving You Aren’t a Robot Has Never Been Harder | WSJ Tech Behind

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  • Опубликовано: 14 ноя 2024

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  • @wsj
    @wsj  2 дня назад +4

    When did Apple’s Notes app become an extension of our brains? on.wsj.com/3YZHDjx

    • @RaceCarLogic
      @RaceCarLogic 2 дня назад +1

      ahahaha xevil

    • @kneelesh48
      @kneelesh48 21 час назад

      It did not. I use Notion.

    • @Psycandy
      @Psycandy 2 минуты назад

      please. a mac can't even talk to an ipad. you must be thinking of windows

  • @ezequielmochkovsky
    @ezequielmochkovsky 2 дня назад +244

    I’m surprised they didn’t mention that Luis is also the founder of Duolingo.

    • @Imraphael_
      @Imraphael_ День назад +21

      Thought he sounded familiar!

    • @toniCbenn56
      @toniCbenn56 День назад +4

      Literally, I was thinking the same thing that he has a very familiar face and voice and that I saw him wearing that same shirt in another video😂

  • @itsmeprasad1987
    @itsmeprasad1987 2 дня назад +133

    Finally someone raising awareness

    • @eltopo71
      @eltopo71 2 дня назад +6

      Are you a Robot?

  • @user-cs9by8jd6l
    @user-cs9by8jd6l День назад +76

    "You haven't selected all the bridges"
    THAT IS NOT A BRIDGE!!!!!

    • @brianwelch1579
      @brianwelch1579 10 часов назад

      that's because the second captcha you do is for verifying someone else's... I always feel a bit creative at these times. I mean, what IS a bridge, really? That tree there, is a bridge from the underground to the sky...

    • @user-cs9by8jd6l
      @user-cs9by8jd6l 8 часов назад

      @brianwelch1579 wdym second captcha? I always get that verifying images thing but not text or whatever that is.
      Tbh I don't remember if it was a bridge one that didn't let me go through unless I selected ones including a wrong one cuz they say either "you haven't selected all" or "here, try another one", but what I certainly remember is that either way I failed the bridge one which I believe the one that showed a roof of a gas station or tunnel or something was considered one of them.
      The solution I figured out is to just dart a glance at them and not think too much.

  • @user-hg4jk2q
    @user-hg4jk2q День назад +87

    At this point, I have just accepted I am a robot.

    • @bob_412
      @bob_412 22 часа назад

      :D :D :D

    • @ValidatingUsername
      @ValidatingUsername 20 часов назад

      @@bob_412Did… it… just become conscious?

    • @j0nrages851
      @j0nrages851 17 часов назад +1

      Robot or NPC?

    • @axa897
      @axa897 13 часов назад

      Yes it was nonsense with pictures and letters. I was human but pc made me ai 🙈🤣

    • @LionHeartSamy
      @LionHeartSamy 17 минут назад

      beep boop

  • @Floatingaroundonthenet
    @Floatingaroundonthenet 2 дня назад +27

    Every other day , I see a post about encryption , data theft , dangers of AI , IT scams and what not ......but nobody is telling me what to do to reduce the chances , how to stay ahead of this ....

    • @GCKteamKrispy
      @GCKteamKrispy 2 дня назад +5

      1. Change passwords regularly (once a month)
      2. Use password generators for random password that contains different characters and letters
      3. 2 factor authentication (when sign-in: password + text message or email with code)
      4. Don’t open random links (yes, hard to know what link is scam and what is not, but there are websites to check if the link is legit)

    • @Wolfie_Desu
      @Wolfie_Desu День назад

      I recommend Bitwarden as a password manager

    • @ProbablyOsmium
      @ProbablyOsmium 12 часов назад

      @@GCKteamKrispy
      5. Always be suspicious of what you see online. Ask yourself how information that's being requested of you might be used against you.
      6. Think carefully about any media or messages that you want to upload or post. Ask yourself if you would care whether the entire world sees that message/media.
      7. Have more than one email address. Use the second address for important things like finances, don't give it away otherwise.
      8. Use a password manager, and don't allow the browser to save passwords for you.
      9. Your voicemail has, or should have, a password/PIN. Make it longer and more difficult to guess.
      10. Your answer to a security question should be completely unrelated to the actual answer to the question, and it needs to be stored somewhere safe, like your password manager or a physical vault.
      11. Panicking leads to mistakes and oversights, and hackers know this. If a person/email/popup is telling you something scary, stop and take a breath. Make sure you can think clearly before making a decision.

    • @rodh1404
      @rodh1404 9 часов назад

      @@GCKteamKrispy For 3. it's a lot better to use an authenticator app than email or text messages. Text messages are surprisingly easy to hack into if someone really wants to and has enough money and/or connections.

  • @bikeny
    @bikeny 14 часов назад +8

    I wanted to watch this video, but that background music isn't so backgroundy. Please, do not use any music on top of your dialogue track. Playing music while you are talking to us is a distracting practice. Thanks.

  • @ChuckSwiger
    @ChuckSwiger День назад +9

    The arms race between sites and bots is like a gigantic experiment in generative adversarial networks each side forcing the other to improve and get better and better at their respective goals.

    • @luminsky
      @luminsky 14 часов назад

      That's a good way to put it

  • @ivanuski15
    @ivanuski15 2 дня назад +22

    if there's no wrong answer for the image captchas, why do i fail them?

    • @TGCid01
      @TGCid01 День назад +8

      I think what the narrator meant by that is that they’re coded to accept whatever a certain % majority of users click. So in those weird situations where you’re wondering if a particular box counts as part of the image, as long as your choice to include/exclude agrees with what the majority has chosen, you get it right.

  • @Psycandy
    @Psycandy 6 минут назад

    but it doesn't tell humans and computers apart, and in fairness, it's a gateway that doesn't need to be there. It's an automated login which can only verify your answer if it has worked out the solution itself, thus defeating the purpose. That's why we have logins.

  • @ValkyRiver
    @ValkyRiver День назад +35

    Fun fact: humanity wastes about a total of 500 years per day on CAPTCHAs.

    • @anifreak9454
      @anifreak9454 12 часов назад +1

      Reminds me of John Mulaney joke.
      "We spend most of our day telling robots that we're not robots, just to look at our own stuff."

  • @Haseeb2k08
    @Haseeb2k08 День назад +32

    The main reason why I have switched over from google to bing. Captacha kept on showing up every time.

    • @__________________________bub0
      @__________________________bub0 День назад +3

      Get firefox

    • @John-Smith02
      @John-Smith02 18 часов назад

      Privacy respecting search engines: Qwant, DuckDuckGo, Brave, SwissCows.
      Privacy respecting browsers: hardened Firefox, Mullvad Browser, Brave Browser.

    • @gavinathling
      @gavinathling 15 часов назад

      @@__________________________bub0 Firefox is not a search engine...

    • @Noname-67
      @Noname-67 3 часа назад

      ​@@__________________________bub0 Firefox isn't a search engine.

  • @kowaihana
    @kowaihana 2 дня назад +54

    fr tho, i kept checking boxes in captcha and i couldn't get past it 💀
    had to quit signing in and live without that acc

    • @ppploan7625
      @ppploan7625 День назад +2

      Oh no 😂 they aren’t that hard though 😂😂

    • @kowaihana
      @kowaihana День назад +1

      @ppploan7625 it was one of those where i had to select parts of an image

    • @piumiu3587
      @piumiu3587 День назад +7

      Nice try robot

    • @ultimateidiot2344
      @ultimateidiot2344 16 часов назад

      Are you sure you aren't a robot?

  • @Soulzzzzz
    @Soulzzzzz День назад +5

    google acquired it to help with machine learning, and made the users do it. this was way before the AI standards today, back when you had to input the data yourself. so ya it will keep evolving

  • @Dara-wk5ty
    @Dara-wk5ty 14 часов назад +1

    U can use extensions like Buster which are Captcha solvers
    It has never been so easy so solve Captchas

    • @Bob-1802
      @Bob-1802 10 часов назад +1

      In other word, a robot to solve Catpchas.

  • @JohnGeranien
    @JohnGeranien День назад +3

    I am confused. If users’ inputs are used to train big tech’s bots, whose bots are ‘attacking’ big tech’s that make things more challenging?

    • @semanticks
      @semanticks 11 часов назад +1

      Google's evil twin, Ogel

    • @bltzcstrnx
      @bltzcstrnx 3 часа назад

      Big tech often release their papers or software as open-source. People use this knowledge and software for their own purpose.

  • @phrous
    @phrous 2 дня назад +8

    Luis also founded duolingo

  • @paulevans9307
    @paulevans9307 2 часа назад

    I had one - hcpatcha I think - that loves transport, and would always ask two sets of questions. I had it ask me to identify boats - cue thoughts of "is that one technically a boat or a ship?", before realising that the system wouldn't care about such detail.
    Then the next question came up. Choose all the ships.

  • @junkboxxxxxx
    @junkboxxxxxx 4 часа назад +1

    I love it when they tell me I'm not human.

  • @jorns6678
    @jorns6678 13 часов назад +1

    In the future: Why proving you are not a human is harder then ever

  • @brianwelch1579
    @brianwelch1579 10 часов назад +1

    I leave sites and don't do captcha type junk unless it's obs fake or just passes me through.

  • @RealGrouchy
    @RealGrouchy 9 часов назад

    The captions (not captchas) don't match the audio after about halfway through. Please fix, it's very difficult to follow and distracting!

  • @erikwigelandiestad2270
    @erikwigelandiestad2270 15 часов назад +1

    Scary thought that the “correct” answer is the one that the majority of respondents has decided upon….
    Ref the traffic light test

  • @greenleafyman1028
    @greenleafyman1028 День назад +1

    There are more innovations in detecting robots than an innovation in creating robots.

  • @PatHand-og9yd
    @PatHand-og9yd День назад +2

    Google acquired captcha: now I understand why captchas have become ridiculous.

  • @stevenirby5576
    @stevenirby5576 День назад +4

    Software engineer here who deals with bots all the time. The biggest thing now is just simply slowing them down and stopping dumb bots.
    Think of the locks on your house's door and windows. Will this 100% stop a professional thief who *really* wants in your home for something specific? Nope.
    But it's good enough to stop some random sketchy people walking up and turning the handle in the middle of the day. So you might as well add an alarm as well, with motion sensors. This will discourage and keep away most would-be thieves.

  • @animepabu5526
    @animepabu5526 21 час назад +1

    Ah yes the whole battle I had to have with Steam captcha just to get into my account 💀 had to use my phone and cellular data instead of my computer because I just kept failing it and when I got it right it just didn’t accept it

  • @swilleh_
    @swilleh_ 18 часов назад

    Copy the captcha that requires you to move a puzzle piece left and right. Genshin Impact has it and the amount of users who successfully completed was around 97% as the captcha claims.

  • @botmsj
    @botmsj 2 дня назад +17

    The video doesn't tackle the clickbait question on the thumbnail.

    • @MrGenius2
      @MrGenius2 2 дня назад +6

      It says it does count as is what most people click, so not selecting also works, there are more than 1 solution.

  • @notRealCapedBaldy
    @notRealCapedBaldy День назад

    The first time captcha was introduced, I strongly believe that they are also used to train bots or AIs that time.

  • @AndreaDoesYoga
    @AndreaDoesYoga 2 дня назад +2

    Captchas are indeed getting tricky, making us feel like robots! 😅

  • @PetroicaRodinogaster264
    @PetroicaRodinogaster264 9 часов назад

    If it wants to know if I am a robot then I generally give it a miss unless it is essential to proceed.

  • @moderncontemplative
    @moderncontemplative 2 дня назад +2

    Glad to know that the creator of CAPTCHA fails it all the time too. Haha. It seems harder now but we need new architecture for the newer AI agents that can pass this test nowadays

  • @norwegiansmores811
    @norwegiansmores811 13 часов назад

    no, it does not. if you get an error if you try to do the sound capcha then google has pre determined that you will fail the first click test.

  • @RandomDeforge
    @RandomDeforge 2 дня назад +4

    the over all claim that "robots" are getting better at solving these tests is because the users are feeding these robots the very data only makes sense if Google is absolutely awful at protecting it's gathered intelligence ion how humans solve these puzzles (which is unlikely), or that google turns around and resells the data it learned from its users to other parties that actually use it for breaking through by solving these puzzles. the latter seems more likely as it creates a perpetual problem/solution service for itself to sell to both sides of the root issue.

    • @ayoCC
      @ayoCC 19 часов назад

      It's because there's software you can use for computer vision and just run it on your pc like blip. Idk how it's trained but they probably have to get the labelled data somewhere
      But i think that's not really the reason, it's just that google has reached their goals with that particular type of training data, so they're switching it to something else that is useful

  • @vasilismarkandonis9435
    @vasilismarkandonis9435 День назад

    It has an existential aspect. You try to find out what is a human at the most fundamental level

  • @RefreshingShamrock
    @RefreshingShamrock 2 дня назад +10

    I haven't paid taxes in a year simply because the IRS website has too many factors of authentication.

  • @nawwk79
    @nawwk79 38 минут назад

    2029 Captcha: Solve this quantum calculus differential algebraic topology question to prove that you are not a robot.

  • @rudetoy8264
    @rudetoy8264 12 часов назад

    As a human, I find it’s hard to prove to a machine that I am a human

  • @kenbob1071
    @kenbob1071 15 часов назад

    Like they can't get a robot to tilt the phone or walk a few steps in one direction??

  • @SuperJudeM
    @SuperJudeM 2 дня назад +3

    I feel as though a robot could better prove it’s a person and then I could

    • @sankeerthgs6864
      @sankeerthgs6864 23 часа назад

      ..and that's what makes us more human! :)

  • @288theabe
    @288theabe День назад

    Yay Skynet!!

  • @Derpy1969
    @Derpy1969 22 часа назад

    Oh, it’s sooooo hard!!!

  • @LFTRnow
    @LFTRnow 6 часов назад

    User displayed captcha... "What the F..."
    User passed.

  • @zenastronomy
    @zenastronomy 2 дня назад +3

    let me guess. bots are getting smarter than us

  • @subday5811
    @subday5811 2 часа назад

    I sure hope that in the age of self-driving cars ai is able to visually detect traffic lights and crosswalks

  • @julivanespi
    @julivanespi 2 дня назад

    Interesting

  • @fubytv731
    @fubytv731 5 часов назад

    I wonder what's the captcha method for blind people.

  • @PLuMUK54
    @PLuMUK54 19 часов назад

    I've given up on certain sites as I can not prove that I am not a robot...

  • @rezwhap
    @rezwhap 16 часов назад

    5:08 You’re just going to glance over the privacy invasion of ‘looking at your internet history’?

  • @HyenaEmpyema
    @HyenaEmpyema 23 часа назад +1

    the funniest story I ever heard of defeating captcha was copying the entire CAPTCHA and re-displaying it on another site as a gateway behind porn and let other people solve it. lol

  • @Krmiby
    @Krmiby День назад

    So this is the guy responsible for my *mild* annoyance

  • @ScubaAspen
    @ScubaAspen 2 дня назад

    ..that’s a traffic light, that’s a bike, kmn, im still not a robot.

  • @roachtoasties
    @roachtoasties 22 часа назад

    I'm not smart enough to pass a lot of these CAPTCHAS. The robots are winning. We're doomed.

  • @The.Kid.From.Daycare.
    @The.Kid.From.Daycare. День назад +1

    Free AI training from us measly humans.

  • @sunalwaysshinesonTVs
    @sunalwaysshinesonTVs 12 часов назад

    There are many humans Ive run into that couldnt prove they're human.

  • @SqueakyPhilosopher
    @SqueakyPhilosopher 23 часа назад +1

    Yep. I was once banned on Google for typing over 200WPM

    • @mike74h
      @mike74h 10 часов назад

      whatever, bot 🙄

    • @SqueakyPhilosopher
      @SqueakyPhilosopher 3 часа назад +1

      @mike74h lol. I'm not saying I type everything at that speed. Just searches I've done in the past

  • @larsord9139
    @larsord9139 5 часов назад

    First off: we all DON'T have mobile/smart/cell phones.

  • @nik_652
    @nik_652 17 часов назад

    I always thought captchas were just stupid and i still do.

  • @williamconway2673
    @williamconway2673 День назад +3

    Eleven times reCaptcha makes me solve before it will let me pass. Motorcycles are the worse, they always fail.

  • @goodfortunetoyou
    @goodfortunetoyou День назад

    The only way to prove identity is by proving only you know a piece of secret information.
    Almost everything else can be faked or inferred from public data. You could even have a twin show up in person, in the worst case. Doing things without technology in person is an okay approach, but it's not as convenient.

  • @dailydoseofshorts8279
    @dailydoseofshorts8279 2 дня назад

    We might just become robots at this point

  • @harrysmbdgs
    @harrysmbdgs 9 часов назад

    Why are we training robots to do the one thing we specifically don’t want them to be able to do? Does nobody see the flaw in this logic?

  • @matthewboyd8689
    @matthewboyd8689 2 дня назад +1

    How many N's are in mayonnaise?
    I haven't seen one AI. I can do that

    • @bltzcstrnx
      @bltzcstrnx 3 часа назад

      "There are two N's in mayonnaise."
      At least that's what Gemini said.

  • @hillaryrodhamclinton8031
    @hillaryrodhamclinton8031 2 дня назад

    I quit making a new account in Minecraft because the test was so hard.

  • @AchwaqKhalid
    @AchwaqKhalid 21 час назад

    I am not 😢

  • @mark9294
    @mark9294 День назад

    Is the speaker an AI voice?

  • @toldt
    @toldt 8 часов назад

    A losing battle, yea. I don't want to be a slave to some algorithm monitor the tilt and acceleration of my phone before I can check the balance on my bank account. It's just like the idiots that designed 'automated' faucets and paper towel dispensers that require you to spend more time and effort waving your hands around than you would have if you just turned on the water.

  • @CFourxd
    @CFourxd День назад

    Well I guess I’m a robot now

  • @Ignoranous
    @Ignoranous День назад +1

    Am I the only one that intentionally misses the difficult parts? No free training from me, and it still lets me pass 😈

  • @evolancer211
    @evolancer211 День назад +1

    Omfg, I hate these. Isn't the handlebar or fender part of the freaking motorcycle!!?!!?

  • @joãoAlberto-k9x
    @joãoAlberto-k9x 2 дня назад +1

    I am not a ROBOT.
    I am a BOT. 🎉.

  • @borithcheng2603
    @borithcheng2603 День назад

    😮

  • @tapasihalder9092
    @tapasihalder9092 2 дня назад +1

    Am i a bot?

    • @Imraphael_
      @Imraphael_ День назад

      No, you aren't selling crypto unwarranted 😂😂

  • @auro1986
    @auro1986 16 часов назад

    why? captcha was made by something who isn't human

  • @mrki731
    @mrki731 2 дня назад

    fingerprints like with Apple??

  • @mon699
    @mon699 День назад +2

    Why is Alan Turing everywhere

  • @sapphyrus
    @sapphyrus День назад

    So they wasted our time and sanity to train their models for free.

  • @beLIEve77
    @beLIEve77 6 часов назад

    Them Catcha AI aren't so I. Probably human will retry and retry but bots do not

  • @WillH-gn2tn
    @WillH-gn2tn День назад

    there must be another way lol

  • @AnishReddy-gb8xb
    @AnishReddy-gb8xb День назад

    🦉

  • @geek-fy1um
    @geek-fy1um День назад

    what if AI watches this video... or the AI can understand what video wants to say?

    • @RealGrouchy
      @RealGrouchy 9 часов назад

      The AI might have a hard time because the captions don't match the audio after about halfway through.

  • @dailydoseofshorts8279
    @dailydoseofshorts8279 2 дня назад

    Skibidi robots

  • @veitforabetterworld
    @veitforabetterworld День назад +1

    Image a future captcha like:
    "In order to register your 🍆hub account, shake your phone in your right hand"

  • @mack-uv6gn
    @mack-uv6gn День назад +1

    🤦🏾‍♂️

  • @joãoAlberto-k9x
    @joãoAlberto-k9x 2 дня назад

    First too.

  • @allwinwilliams
    @allwinwilliams 2 дня назад +1

    So, humans and computers aren't that different to computers now. When are we going to start seeing them as equals.

    • @Joshua-ut8ul
      @Joshua-ut8ul 2 дня назад

      I think we're a little bit out before we'll see them as equals but I would say the narrative is slowly changing. We might see a Bender unit in the future! 😁

  • @jeanpepin5869
    @jeanpepin5869 13 часов назад

    Why can't Aïzheimer recognize a fire hydrant and why aren't we paid to assist his early senility? ;)

  • @darthvader_
    @darthvader_ День назад

    Dude talk slowly

  • @ianiirascu4159
    @ianiirascu4159 День назад

    didn’t know Chris Hemsworth is an AI expert

  • @iskalasrinivas5640
    @iskalasrinivas5640 День назад

    this is the most useless thing it wasted my hours of time😡😡

  • @miyukiyotsuba7379
    @miyukiyotsuba7379 День назад

    What do you mean "has never been harder"? It is f**king hard.

    • @rezwhap
      @rezwhap 16 часов назад

      Yes. “Never been harder” means it is most difficult now.

    • @mike74h
      @mike74h 10 часов назад

      ​@@rezwhap Yeah, but for some people it's really hard now!

  • @miravlix
    @miravlix 21 час назад

    NO, the guy is lying, the computer is not being taught to identify items in pictures. The computer doesn't know if it sees a cat or a car, it just know that the humans reward it when it select one type of picture over another. It's being programmed to get a reward, so it will return answers it think give it a reward, not answers that is correct.
    The second lie it that it's about clicking the right pictures, no, it's actually how we move the mouse to click, because the movement pattern of a human is just not the same as a computer.

    • @rezwhap
      @rezwhap 16 часов назад

      Obviously the assumption is that people will try to answer correctly, so the reward aligns with correctness. For your second point, that’s what Nocaptcha measures, explained at 4:36

  • @ojxirkgiouu2147
    @ojxirkgiouu2147 2 дня назад

    First