I got mine since that video about using CRT monitor to play retro consoles and I would like to thank you Bob, for me the GBS with the Control mod is the perfect solution I was looking for!
I can't wait for the downscaling video, I've been interested in getting a downscaling solution, was thinking about a vsc into RGB interface, but if the GBS works better, that's even better.
@Poplep was this video ever released? Can´t wait to see what downscaling options we have now that the Retrotink 5X does not downscale with newer firmwares...
This is an extremely compelling product to use for deinterlacing and downscaling. As far as 240p goes, as you mentioned before the RetroTink and OSSC are still the top dogs as long as money isn't an issue. However, the GBS's deinterlacing has really made an awesome impression on me. I use an OSSC, but I'm not a fan of the bob-deinterlacing due to the fields constantly moving up and down which makes it hard to focus on static screens like menus and such. To fix this I use an Crestron HD Scaler which handles the deinterlacing instead of the OSSC, but I have no idea how much lag it produces. I don't think its bad at all, but the OSSC is needed to convert the analog signal to digital before the Crestron gets it because its does get laggy when dealing with pure analog since its also upscaling. The GBS on the other hand has some hard numbers to show and they're really good compared to more popular deinterlacers like the Framemeister. I may consider this project just for 480i only, but I am looking forward to seeing your next video on how downscaling may be beneficial. Thanks for all the effort and information you give us!
A lot of this awesome information is completely over my head. I keep trying to soak it all up and make sense of it all. What a great lesson. Thanks as always Bob!
Bob thanks to you and this video I went down the rabbit hole. I now have 3 trash saved CRTs (2x toshiba af, and a Panasonic Tau) and just completed the gbs control build. I’m currently playing my Wii in 1080p upscalled from 480p and this entire build is awesome. Thanks man! No better way to wait out the pandemic!
Really great video Bob! I’ve been curious about the GBS control but never looked into it as I already own an OSSC and Framemeister. Glad to finally see this running, and I think your comparisons between the OSSC are really good, using games that makes the differences very noticeable :)
I actually did it. This is the best low cost investment I've ever made. This thing is incredible. It's just that good. Things you will need if you never soldered before, like me: • female ended wires, if you buy the full-size esp8266 board like I did, not the mini one Bob did • one single jumper, though you can get around this by...spreading solder between the two pins on the flip side of the board. Go with the jumper. • 100 Ohm resistors (3 total) • you can pretty much only buy the above parts in bulk because brick and mortar parts stores are basically dead RIP • soldering iron kit (iron, solder wire, flux, DESOLDER PLUNGER PUMP THING [necessary], solder wick, multiple iron heads) Having never done it before I really thought I would kill it, and I nearly did, but it turned out fantastically. The only complaints I have are that the 1080p output frequency is guaranteed to cause a disconnect with the wifi, and the screen tearing is noticable sometimes, but the clock gen mod fixes that easily, just more work and an extra purchase. This thing is a dream.
10:45 "Nerding" used in this way is new to me, but I approve. :D Anyway, this is awesome. Last time I looked at this project (a couple years ago?) they were using Raspberry Pis to do this stuff to the GBS scaler. Everything's gotten way fancier and cleaner with an Arduino and those awesome menus. Great work, guys!
I made three of these, one for me and one each for my two oldest daughters that are also into ps1/ps2 gaming and they work beautifully. Easy to use and great performance at a very reasonable price. I actually bought a board for a fourth one. Lol. I am planning to build a dedicated PS2 arcade cabinet. I.e. an arcade cabinet but one that has a ps2 built in with a HDD and OPL. And instead of clickety buttons and a joystick it will just have a holder for a PS2 controller. Kind of like those cabinets you used to see at Fry's or game stores to try out some demo-games. But this one will look a lot more like an ordinary full size arcade game cabinet, but it will just be for a PS2.
Most impressive part of this scaler is the Web/GUI interface. That is the one area the current OSSC and Frameister lack is a menu devoid of navigational nerding.
Awesome stuff, Bob. Can't wait for the videos on deinterlacing and downscaling. Those seem like the killer apps for this device. Definitely better than spending $150+ on a DVDO or TVOne box for those same features!
That motion adaptive deinterlancing looks pretty neat. It's no doubt very good for the PS2, even forcing 480p many games won't work at all in that resolution. Please do that video about deinterlacing
I think you could just put the sync resistor inside the SCART connector - they're usually easy to open & have plenty of room inside. I used to do a similar modification inside 3rd party Nintendo cables many years ago.
I watched this video like 10 times before pulling the trigger. OMG it’s good. Went from Hyperkin, to Portta (not bad), to GBS Control. Lots more control and overall image is much better. Thanks for all the details and examples. I’m enjoying the Wii I have hooked up to this a lot more now.
Actually bought this recently, but in blue color finished product. Absolutely fantastic with Amiga 1200 on Oled TV. searched for years for a solution for the Amiga, which does not cost many many thousands. Just as nice with the Nintendo SNES, no fuss, just set the image size, and everything was gold, didn't log in to WIFI with it either. Cream product For the NES i just dropping the whole retro thing with it, A/V sucks and so does the cart reader on the NES, so went for a Nes Mini
Wow, I _just_ found the 8220 I bought like 15 years ago, after not being able to find it for years.... Now it just so happens that between building OSCRs and SlimeVR trackers, I have pretty much all the parts required for this mod. 😁👍
@@RetroRGB I think most makers have a crapload of esp8266 and esp32 boards by now, but I laughed pretty hard when you were like "And if you add this clock generator board...." because I've got like a dozen of those for OSCR builds! 🤣 Always refreshing to stumble upon a new project and _not have to buy anything_ innit?! 😁
I use one of these for plugging a component source into a VGA monitor, with the "Source Pass-through" setting in gbscontrol, and it seems to just be straight up transcoding YPbPr to RGB, which is exactly what I want.
I've been using GBS-C as my daily driver for the past month and it's been pretty great, especially for the price. I'm no wizard with the soldering iron and I actually screwed up, damaging the board... But the board only costs £15 so I just bought another one and tried again. Imo, that's pretty much the point, right there.
Nice video! I've got one of these for my Genesis going to an arcade LED panel. Clean, crisp, and cheap, can't ask for much more. And let's be honest, being able to sit on your couch, and futz with the settings is enough to justify using it.
Cool, I might have to look into this for downscaling one of our digital streaming boxes (i.e. Roku, Google TV, Amazon Fire Stick) for use on our CRT that my son prefers.
This is an awesome video, so clear on a lot of things and I will totally be exploring these options. Few quick questions though, 2:31 you mention 100 capacitor to ground yes? The link you included is for a 1000
I'll be looking forward to those downscaling solutions! I got a PS3 recently and got bummed at how it can't display 240p. Although, the PS1 emulation on it seems worse than people think it may be, because aside from not displaying 240p, it's scaled incorrectly vertically, at least in 480i on my 29" CRT; Symphony of the Night has some tearing when scrolling up or down, though it's not noticeable on 3D games. But the worst thing to me, is the audio delay. Input lag seems fine, but it was impossible not to notice the delay on any audio cue. The PS2 is much, much better at backwards compatibility than the PS3.
Excellent tutorial. I got one of these cheap boards with hope to render 15kHz Atari ST colour to modern monitor - it didnt work on the VGA but I see after buying it that the VGA only handles 30-32kHz. I figure rather than sending it back I will hack it as you have shown .... if nothing else it looks like a fun thing to try. Thanks again
Can't wait for the downstate video. Been looking for something to downscale the 360 to arcade cab. UVC is just crazy price right now. How come the esp8266 listed is different then the one installed in video?
One thing to note: the gbs8200 works with 5-12V and the voltage will be applied unregulated to the two pins you soldered the esp8266 to. This is fine if you're using a 5V power supply, but will probably fry the esp8266 when using a power supply with a higher voltage. While the gbs-control project page does mention wiring the esp8266 to the regulated 3V3 lines next to SDA is not the recommended method, its probably safer to wire the ESP to those pins. Since the module is rated for 3V3 anyways, that shouldn't be an issue at all.
Gbscontrol is amazing project for the price. Image quality is up to 20% improved comparing to stock gbs boards. And other thing, just to encourrage people those gbs boards are unbeliveable durable to soldering(meaning if you make mistake just redo it)
Thank you for the informative video! 5:44 you show the 8200 and 8220 side by side... and they are each using different variants of the 8266. Looks like the 8220 uses the D1 style board whereas the 8200 is using the CP2102 (which is also the board you have linked in the description). Was that an intentional choice for a particular reason, or did it just happen to be what you had around (since the layout shouldn't matter)?
What about those using a GBS 8200 for an arcade board? Does the GBS Control mod help with that at all? Just started using one of these recently for my Mortal Kombat boards. This is an impressive mod.
@@RetroRGB Yeah I can confirm the lag from playing Mortal Kombat 1 on mine, although still playable. Luckily I found a replacement 25 inch CRT for my UMK3 so I didn't have to use the GBS. Anyways, thank you. I will definitely be looking at this solution for a CRT replacement in case its ever needed.
Awesome video. Gotta say based on my experience though that the 240p results in my GBS-C are far superior to what you're showing at 14:39 .. you have these really obnoxious horizontal ringing artefacts. Have you noticed these? And would you say they are universally present in the units you have tested? Or is it a side effect of your capture method? One of my biggest concerns with recommending GBS-control is the QC on the original devices, so it may be that my GBS board is just better than the one you used. Would be interested to hear your thoughts though!
I've built and tested three 8200's and one 8220 for these captures. All look pretty much the exact same. I agree, there's most likely a lot of different models with varying quality.
Is this issue concerning? Best options for the GBS-8200 I would recommend as a minimum that any sync signals are scaled using at least a potential divider circuit or a transistor level shifter as they are readily available, providing your source produces a C sync signal. If you need to to combine H and V Sync, use a logic circuit.. If your system provides a composite video signal, use one of the sync strippers but ensure you condition the output to be 3.3V LVTTL compatible not 5 LVTTL. Nobody talks about this blowing up the GBS-8200.
@@RetroRGB Not even there yet. The GBS arrives tomorrow but other RUclipsrs say 5 v will shorten the life of the board. Easy fix with a 1k resistor in series to lessen the voltage 18% which isn't 3 but I'll figure this thing out.
Component video only. If you'd like composite, check out the RetroTINK products: www.retrorgb.com/retrotink2x.html www.retrorgb.com/the-retrotink-5x-has-arrived.html
Thanks for great video. I want to use my crt VGA monitor for AtariST and this kit is exactly what I need. The 2X-Pro or OSSC won't work as they output hdmi and converting it down to vga is no go for me.
Great video! Are there any cheap VGA to HDMI transcoders that will output RGB Full Range? My experience is that they output RGB Limited Range which looks washed out on my computer monitors.
Trying to build one… and stuck. Bob, ive added a clock generator and vga to HDMI out adapter, while inputting via component video. I can only get video feed of 480p from a wii, in “pass-through” only. None of the upscaling presets are “selectable” and when i do select a preset, the screen just goes black. Can i get some help?
I'm having a problem on Arduino GBS control upload , it's giving me an error - "call of overloaded 'abs(unit32_t) is ambiguous". Anybody have any solutions to this problem?
Mine didn’t have any luck with my Sega Blast City with 31Khz Sanwa arcade monitor, the image kept scrolling and fizzling out. Removing the GBS and plugging directly in via HDMI to VGA did the trick when set to 640x480 in Windows so now I can get my Mame setup going albeit without the GBS in the mix. Not sure what the problem was, perhaps it was the fact that mine had a clock mod installed for compatibility with certain other combinations? I thought that would be better to get a fully modded up GBS but perhaps not? I’m not interested in buying a non-clock modded GBS unit just to test since my arcade setup works and I found out the monitor didn’t do 15Khz anyway so now I may try to use my GBS unit with retro consoles and see how it does with that at least.
I really want to use it to connect my PC, which has a video card capable of outputting dvi analog if required, to a consumer CRT set via component YUV/YPbPr at 15khz. It looks like it is capable of doing it, can anyone confirm?
Yup, it should work fine: Set your PC to 640x480, then connect the DVI-A output to the VGA input with a basic passthrough cable or dongle. Then it'll either output RGBHV or YPbPr, depending on how you have the output mode set.
@@RetroRGB thank you Bob for clarifying. I just subbed to ur floatplane to ask this but you were kind enough to answer here. I'll be keeping my sub there to support u. Have a great week!
Can you downscale a VGA computer signal to 240P with this device? I know you can achieve this using your graphics card in tandem with a VGA to component transcoder. However my graphics card is too old to achieve this. Instead, I use an Extron VSC 100 in tandem with a Extron RGB 190 to achieve a 240P image.
What I'm looking for is a cheap way to direct stream from my arcade cabinets to OBS. Do you have any videos explaining this? Another question is the Wifi. Can I use wifi to get signal from console or arcade to my PC? or is the wifi not used in that manner with this mod? Sorry this is all new to me, I currently stream with webcams recording the arcade screen and want to fix this with direct feed. Without paying hundreds of dollars, but I will spend more money if I need to.
Brilliant video. I'm trying to find out the best way to connect Atari ST 320x200 to a CRT VGA monitor as the 15khz scan is out of range. Do you think this is worth a try for that purpose?
I THINK this will work, however I don't have an ST to test. If you don't mind building your own hardware/software, I think this is a worthwhile project to test.
Thanks! I used the SCART Cleaner, but the GBS-C AIO works equally as good...it's just not available yet: www.gbscaio.com/ www.retrorgb.com/scartcleaner.html
Have you started seeing 240p/480i switching causing dropouts again after installing the clock gen? Because that's been my experience. It was seamless without the clock gen, but I wired it up and started powering it off C47 and now it works great and there's no tearing... but it does drop out for a split second when 480i240p switches happen.
I ended up collaborating with My Life In Gaming on theirs instead. At the moment, the best downscalers I've found are the RetroTINK 5x, this GBC-C and the (very expensive) Extron Super Emotia.
I've seen a bunch of Chinese pre built GBS controls on eBay for around 70 to 80 dollars. It looks like they work fine, but seeing how cheap they are for what you get makes it seem like they would have some sort of problem.
I am having a issue with the gbs not outputting a video signal. I am using a vga to hdmi converter. Have verified the converter works properly. I can log into the controller via wifi, but cannot select a output resolution. Have triple checked wiring connections, but am at a loss at this point. I am questioning if the gbs is even powering on as the led indicator on the board does not illuminate. Any suggestions?
In the gbs interface it tells me gbs board not responding, does anyone know what is happening??? In addition, the blue LED on my esp8266 turns on when I connect it and then stays off.
I really want a downscaling solution and this seems like the cheapest thing. Its not plug and play, sure but man this seems like the best bang for you buck you can get. And if I ever feel the need to upscale, that will be there too.
so am I right in understanding this can do lagless ypbpr to rgbhv converting? as a person trying to play original xbox games could be could if it did that and then also passed through ypbpr with the gbs-8220 model which has two outputs.
I got mine since that video about using CRT monitor to play retro consoles and I would like to thank you Bob, for me the GBS with the Control mod is the perfect solution I was looking for!
This is great for downscaling xbox 480i to 240p, it even do some quality deinterlacing, impressive. I need to get one ASAP!
Great video, thanks Bob!
This is a great opportunity to just jump in and learn how to solder. I’m excited.
Fantastic video Bob! I think the motion deinterlacing is what makes this project so appealing. Good stuff!
This looks like something fun to tinker with. I already had the parts for other projects, where I never ended up using them.
Great video, as usual. Thank you, Bob. I’m looking forward to your downscaling video.
I can't wait for the downscaling video, I've been interested in getting a downscaling solution, was thinking about a vsc into RGB interface, but if the GBS works better, that's even better.
@Poplep was this video ever released? Can´t wait to see what downscaling options we have now that the Retrotink 5X does not downscale with newer firmwares...
It seems like Rama is like the Fire Nation: It changed everything.
This is an extremely compelling product to use for deinterlacing and downscaling. As far as 240p goes, as you mentioned before the RetroTink and OSSC are still the top dogs as long as money isn't an issue. However, the GBS's deinterlacing has really made an awesome impression on me. I use an OSSC, but I'm not a fan of the bob-deinterlacing due to the fields constantly moving up and down which makes it hard to focus on static screens like menus and such. To fix this I use an Crestron HD Scaler which handles the deinterlacing instead of the OSSC, but I have no idea how much lag it produces. I don't think its bad at all, but the OSSC is needed to convert the analog signal to digital before the Crestron gets it because its does get laggy when dealing with pure analog since its also upscaling. The GBS on the other hand has some hard numbers to show and they're really good compared to more popular deinterlacers like the Framemeister. I may consider this project just for 480i only, but I am looking forward to seeing your next video on how downscaling may be beneficial. Thanks for all the effort and information you give us!
I happen to have a GBS 8220 lying around. This is just the kind of mod I'm looking for! Thanks for the thorough, high quality video.
Did you end up doing it?
Think I'll finally find my solution to my Mortal Kombat 4 arcade issue here. Soon as I saw you did a video on this I was immediately relieved.
A lot of this awesome information is completely over my head. I keep trying to soak it all up and make sense of it all. What a great lesson. Thanks as always Bob!
I'm sold. I love my OSSC, but my use case has changed and I'm really digging the downscaling and motion adaptive deinterlacing.
Bob thanks to you and this video I went down the rabbit hole. I now have 3 trash saved CRTs (2x toshiba af, and a Panasonic Tau) and just completed the gbs control build. I’m currently playing my Wii in 1080p upscalled from 480p and this entire build is awesome. Thanks man! No better way to wait out the pandemic!
Really great video Bob! I’ve been curious about the GBS control but never looked into it as I already own an OSSC and Framemeister. Glad to finally see this running, and I think your comparisons between the OSSC are really good, using games that makes the differences very noticeable :)
Great work as always. Shoutouts to Rama!
Great video! Thanks for reminding people to take their time on the install. It's always worth it :)
I actually did it.
This is the best low cost investment I've ever made. This thing is incredible. It's just that good.
Things you will need if you never soldered before, like me:
• female ended wires, if you buy the full-size esp8266 board like I did, not the mini one Bob did
• one single jumper, though you can get around this by...spreading solder between the two pins on the flip side of the board. Go with the jumper.
• 100 Ohm resistors (3 total)
• you can pretty much only buy the above parts in bulk because brick and mortar parts stores are basically dead RIP
• soldering iron kit (iron, solder wire, flux, DESOLDER PLUNGER PUMP THING [necessary], solder wick, multiple iron heads)
Having never done it before I really thought I would kill it, and I nearly did, but it turned out fantastically.
The only complaints I have are that the 1080p output frequency is guaranteed to cause a disconnect with the wifi, and the screen tearing is noticable sometimes, but the clock gen mod fixes that easily, just more work and an extra purchase. This thing is a dream.
Intersting I bought a pre made GBS-C and notice now and again a horizontal line scrolling down the screen.
10:45 "Nerding" used in this way is new to me, but I approve. :D Anyway, this is awesome. Last time I looked at this project (a couple years ago?) they were using Raspberry Pis to do this stuff to the GBS scaler. Everything's gotten way fancier and cleaner with an Arduino and those awesome menus. Great work, guys!
I did mine with dooklink's raspberry pi mod on a pi 2b. I didnt do the component out mod. That requires more nerding.
I'm so into this! Definitely going down this route for my setup - thanks Bob!!
that's what I want to see on retrorgb! thx Bob
I made three of these, one for me and one each for my two oldest daughters that are also into ps1/ps2 gaming
and they work beautifully. Easy to use and great performance at a very reasonable price.
I actually bought a board for a fourth one. Lol. I am planning to build a dedicated PS2 arcade cabinet. I.e. an arcade cabinet but one that has a ps2 built in with a HDD and OPL. And instead of clickety buttons and a joystick it will just have a holder for a PS2 controller.
Kind of like those cabinets you used to see at Fry's or game stores to try out some demo-games. But this one will look a lot more like an ordinary full size arcade game cabinet, but it will just be for a PS2.
Great video. That all in one unit looks very promising!
Dude, that Rust in Peace Flying V is epic!
Thank you! I customized the neck and added hand-wown pickups :)
Best retro rgb video, hehe
Great video Bob! The quality and knowledge you bring is top notch!
"Some Nerding required..."
Most impressive part of this scaler is the Web/GUI interface. That is the one area the current OSSC and Frameister lack is a menu devoid of navigational nerding.
Helpful video, Bob!! Thanks for the walkthrough 👍
I ran into the GBS8200 by complete accident when I was trying to connect my SNES through RBG onto my CRT monitor, and now THIS comes up? Awesome.
If you mean a VGA CRT, then the GBS-Control project is perfect. Check this out for more info: ruclips.net/video/iLkN2AZLBMA/видео.html
@@RetroRGB I sure do! I've been fully enjoying this whole project!
Awesome stuff, Bob. Can't wait for the videos on deinterlacing and downscaling. Those seem like the killer apps for this device. Definitely better than spending $150+ on a DVDO or TVOne box for those same features!
That motion adaptive deinterlancing looks pretty neat. It's no doubt very good for the PS2, even forcing 480p many games won't work at all in that resolution. Please do that video about deinterlacing
Thanks for the great video! It should be a real injection of new blood to the GBS-C scene.
I think you could just put the sync resistor inside the SCART connector - they're usually easy to open & have plenty of room inside. I used to do a similar modification inside 3rd party Nintendo cables many years ago.
I watched this video like 10 times before pulling the trigger. OMG it’s good. Went from Hyperkin, to Portta (not bad), to GBS Control. Lots more control and overall image is much better. Thanks for all the details and examples. I’m enjoying the Wii I have hooked up to this a lot more now.
Thank you so much Bob! I use the GBA for capture from my Arcade games!
That's a cool Jackson V back there !
nice! I have one running now for some weeks with a neo geo mvs. works great!
OMFG "Voultar Nudez" xD That cracked me up xD
Actually bought this recently, but in blue color finished product.
Absolutely fantastic with Amiga 1200 on Oled TV.
searched for years for a solution for the Amiga, which does not cost many many thousands.
Just as nice with the Nintendo SNES, no fuss, just set the image size, and everything was gold, didn't log in to WIFI with it either.
Cream product
For the NES i just dropping the whole retro thing with it, A/V sucks and so does the cart reader on the NES, so went for a Nes Mini
Wow, I _just_ found the 8220 I bought like 15 years ago, after not being able to find it for years.... Now it just so happens that between building OSCRs and SlimeVR trackers, I have pretty much all the parts required for this mod. 😁👍
Ha, awesome!
@@RetroRGB I think most makers have a crapload of esp8266 and esp32 boards by now, but I laughed pretty hard when you were like "And if you add this clock generator board...." because I've got like a dozen of those for OSCR builds! 🤣 Always refreshing to stumble upon a new project and _not have to buy anything_ innit?! 😁
I use one of these for plugging a component source into a VGA monitor, with the "Source Pass-through" setting in gbscontrol, and it seems to just be straight up transcoding YPbPr to RGB, which is exactly what I want.
*cries in Voultaurese* Just kidding Bob, your soldering looks fine, just wanted to tease you a bit. Interesting video.
I've been using GBS-C as my daily driver for the past month and it's been pretty great, especially for the price. I'm no wizard with the soldering iron and I actually screwed up, damaging the board... But the board only costs £15 so I just bought another one and tried again. Imo, that's pretty much the point, right there.
Nice video! I've got one of these for my Genesis going to an arcade LED panel. Clean, crisp, and cheap, can't ask for much more.
And let's be honest, being able to sit on your couch, and futz with the settings is enough to justify using it.
Nice timing, Bob - mine just came in the mail. I don’t need it, but this will be a fun project.
really looking forward to that deinterlacing video
Very good video info thanks for sharing
Rama posted at CircuitBoard , that a sync stripper isn't needed anymore in actual revisions
Great!! "Voultar nudez" on the desktop is awesome xD "sit back, and strap on!" xD
wow this is amazing, just wish this have video image rotation 90 degree and also flip mirror.
Cool, I might have to look into this for downscaling one of our digital streaming boxes (i.e. Roku, Google TV, Amazon Fire Stick) for use on our CRT that my son prefers.
This is an awesome video, so clear on a lot of things and I will totally be exploring these options. Few quick questions though, 2:31 you mention 100 capacitor to ground yes? The link you included is for a 1000
Magnificent video!!!!!
I'll be looking forward to those downscaling solutions! I got a PS3 recently and got bummed at how it can't display 240p. Although, the PS1 emulation on it seems worse than people think it may be, because aside from not displaying 240p, it's scaled incorrectly vertically, at least in 480i on my 29" CRT; Symphony of the Night has some tearing when scrolling up or down, though it's not noticeable on 3D games. But the worst thing to me, is the audio delay. Input lag seems fine, but it was impossible not to notice the delay on any audio cue. The PS2 is much, much better at backwards compatibility than the PS3.
I do not understand one thing, gbscontrol is instaled on the wi-fi arduíno device and bypass the original hardware ?
Excellent tutorial. I got one of these cheap boards with hope to render 15kHz Atari ST colour to modern monitor - it didnt work on the VGA but I see after buying it that the VGA only handles 30-32kHz. I figure rather than sending it back I will hack it as you have shown .... if nothing else it looks like a fun thing to try.
Thanks again
Thanks...and that's a great idea! Worse case, you're out $20 and an hour of time...but have a "tool" you can use for tons of other stuff as well.
Can't wait for the downstate video. Been looking for something to downscale the 360 to arcade cab. UVC is just crazy price right now. How come the esp8266 listed is different then the one installed in video?
Cats out of bag now! LOL Good job Bob! hehe (value is about to go up!) :)
GBS have been around for well over 10 years already, price never been an issue. But it will be interesting to see how the sellers react.
17:35, so this can also be an RGB to Component transcoder?
absolutely
With a bit more "nerding". 😉
One thing to note: the gbs8200 works with 5-12V and the voltage will be applied unregulated to the two pins you soldered the esp8266 to.
This is fine if you're using a 5V power supply, but will probably fry the esp8266 when using a power supply with a higher voltage. While the gbs-control project page does mention wiring the esp8266 to the regulated 3V3 lines next to SDA is not the recommended method, its probably safer to wire the ESP to those pins. Since the module is rated for 3V3 anyways, that shouldn't be an issue at all.
I really need some help with deinterlacing 480i. Hyped for that video :D
Gbscontrol is amazing project for the price. Image quality is up to 20% improved comparing to stock gbs boards. And other thing, just to encourrage people those gbs boards are unbeliveable durable to soldering(meaning if you make mistake just redo it)
Just got mine done...resurrected a faulty board...works better with GBS-control.
Thank you for the informative video! 5:44 you show the 8200 and 8220 side by side... and they are each using different variants of the 8266. Looks like the 8220 uses the D1 style board whereas the 8200 is using the CP2102 (which is also the board you have linked in the description). Was that an intentional choice for a particular reason, or did it just happen to be what you had around (since the layout shouldn't matter)?
Honestly, it’s all I had access to. I bought from different sources hoping to get a variety, but that’s what I ended up with.
What about those using a GBS 8200 for an arcade board? Does the GBS Control mod help with that at all?
Just started using one of these recently for my Mortal Kombat boards. This is an impressive mod.
Yes, it's a massive help. Doesn't matter if you're using the original for arcades or consoles, it's still really laggy.
@@RetroRGB Yeah I can confirm the lag from playing Mortal Kombat 1 on mine, although still playable. Luckily I found a replacement 25 inch CRT for my UMK3 so I didn't have to use the GBS.
Anyways, thank you. I will definitely be looking at this solution for a CRT replacement in case its ever needed.
please don't make my extron emotias obsolete, it don't want to loose my superiority complex.
Awesome video. Gotta say based on my experience though that the 240p results in my GBS-C are far superior to what you're showing at 14:39 .. you have these really obnoxious horizontal ringing artefacts. Have you noticed these? And would you say they are universally present in the units you have tested? Or is it a side effect of your capture method?
One of my biggest concerns with recommending GBS-control is the QC on the original devices, so it may be that my GBS board is just better than the one you used. Would be interested to hear your thoughts though!
I've built and tested three 8200's and one 8220 for these captures. All look pretty much the exact same. I agree, there's most likely a lot of different models with varying quality.
Mine also does not have these artefacts in 240p output. Worth investigation!
Is this issue concerning?
Best options for the GBS-8200
I would recommend as a minimum that any sync signals are scaled using at least a potential divider circuit or a transistor level shifter as they are readily available, providing your source produces a C sync signal. If you need to to combine H and V Sync, use a logic circuit..
If your system provides a composite video signal, use one of the sync strippers but ensure you condition the output to be 3.3V LVTTL compatible not 5 LVTTL.
Nobody talks about this blowing up the GBS-8200.
Are you measuring under load?
@@RetroRGB Not even there yet. The GBS arrives tomorrow but other RUclipsrs say 5 v will shorten the life of the board. Easy fix with a 1k resistor in series to lessen the voltage 18% which isn't 3 but I'll figure this thing out.
I'm gonna need you to show us what's in the Voultar Nudez folder. Please and thank you
"Voultars Nudez"
Fucking killed me
Amazing!
Can the gbs control use composite inputs or is it only component? All I have for most of my old consoles is composite cables
Component video only. If you'd like composite, check out the RetroTINK products:
www.retrorgb.com/retrotink2x.html
www.retrorgb.com/the-retrotink-5x-has-arrived.html
Fantastic. Do you think this could work on an MVS + Jamma? I have one of these laying around. Pretty impressive project!
Absolutely, but you'd need to make sure the video levels matched standard RGBs. So MVS -> cheap supergun -> GBSControl should be perfect.
@@RetroRGB Get a MiniGun on ebay or tindie. MVS -> MiniGun -> GBSControl
Thanks for great video. I want to use my crt VGA monitor for AtariST and this kit is exactly what I need. The 2X-Pro or OSSC won't work as they output hdmi and converting it down to vga is no go for me.
Great video! Are there any cheap VGA to HDMI transcoders that will output RGB Full Range? My experience is that they output RGB Limited Range which looks washed out on my computer monitors.
Trying to build one… and stuck. Bob, ive added a clock generator and vga to HDMI out adapter, while inputting via component video. I can only get video feed of 480p from a wii, in “pass-through” only. None of the upscaling presets are “selectable” and when i do select a preset, the screen just goes black.
Can i get some help?
I'm having a problem on Arduino GBS control upload , it's giving me an error - "call of overloaded 'abs(unit32_t) is ambiguous".
Anybody have any solutions to this problem?
Your ESP8266 community board package version is too high. Delete in Board Manager and install v2.7.1.
Mine didn’t have any luck with my Sega Blast City with 31Khz Sanwa arcade monitor, the image kept scrolling and fizzling out. Removing the GBS and plugging directly in via HDMI to VGA did the trick when set to 640x480 in Windows so now I can get my Mame setup going albeit without the GBS in the mix. Not sure what the problem was, perhaps it was the fact that mine had a clock mod installed for compatibility with certain other combinations? I thought that would be better to get a fully modded up GBS but perhaps not? I’m not interested in buying a non-clock modded GBS unit just to test since my arcade setup works and I found out the monitor didn’t do 15Khz anyway so now I may try to use my GBS unit with retro consoles and see how it does with that at least.
Did that video specifically about downscaling you talked about ever come out? I can't seem to find it
My Life In Gaming ended up doing it on their channel.
> Voultar Newdz
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Always fun to see Easter eggs like that
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No mention of the common bottom side shielding mod to clean up picture (copper tape over data lines soldered to ground)
This is no longer needed. The issue was solved with changes to the GBS-Control software.
I really want to use it to connect my PC, which has a video card capable of outputting dvi analog if required, to a consumer CRT set via component YUV/YPbPr at 15khz. It looks like it is capable of doing it, can anyone confirm?
Should be possible, but bare in mind the output will be RGBHV, not RGBs or YPbPr, so you'll need to convert.
Yup, it should work fine: Set your PC to 640x480, then connect the DVI-A output to the VGA input with a basic passthrough cable or dongle. Then it'll either output RGBHV or YPbPr, depending on how you have the output mode set.
@@RetroRGB thank you Bob for clarifying. I just subbed to ur floatplane to ask this but you were kind enough to answer here. I'll be keeping my sub there to support u. Have a great week!
Can you downscale a VGA computer signal to 240P with this device?
I know you can achieve this using your graphics card in tandem with a VGA to component transcoder. However my graphics card is too old to achieve this. Instead, I use an Extron VSC 100 in tandem with a Extron RGB 190 to achieve a 240P image.
hey bob what wire did you use? 26 awg and for the clock battery did you use kyner wire or 28 awg??
What I'm looking for is a cheap way to direct stream from my arcade cabinets to OBS. Do you have any videos explaining this?
Another question is the Wifi. Can I use wifi to get signal from console or arcade to my PC? or is the wifi not used in that manner with this mod?
Sorry this is all new to me, I currently stream with webcams recording the arcade screen and want to fix this with direct feed. Without paying hundreds of dollars, but I will spend more money if I need to.
Wish you could get one preconfigured in the UK. The RetroTink 5x is never gonna be obtainable for me
Brilliant video. I'm trying to find out the best way to connect Atari ST 320x200 to a CRT VGA monitor as the 15khz scan is out of range. Do you think this is worth a try for that purpose?
I THINK this will work, however I don't have an ST to test. If you don't mind building your own hardware/software, I think this is a worthwhile project to test.
Search RUclips I believe there's a video of most home computers to GBS. Atari ST, Amiga, Beeb, etc.
9:50 where can I get an adapter cable like that? I can't seem to find one anywhere.
Great video. I do have a question. How did you get RGB out of the PS1? Did you use SCART to VGA?
Thanks! I used the SCART Cleaner, but the GBS-C AIO works equally as good...it's just not available yet:
www.gbscaio.com/
www.retrorgb.com/scartcleaner.html
Have you started seeing 240p/480i switching causing dropouts again after installing the clock gen? Because that's been my experience. It was seamless without the clock gen, but I wired it up and started powering it off C47 and now it works great and there's no tearing... but it does drop out for a split second when 480i240p switches happen.
did you ever make that downscalers video you mentioned here? because im seriously looking for a good one
I ended up collaborating with My Life In Gaming on theirs instead. At the moment, the best downscalers I've found are the RetroTINK 5x, this GBC-C and the (very expensive) Extron Super Emotia.
Any way to use this to downscale in an s-video monitor?
I've seen a bunch of Chinese pre built GBS controls on eBay for around 70 to 80 dollars. It looks like they work fine, but seeing how cheap they are for what you get makes it seem like they would have some sort of problem.
I am having a issue with the gbs not outputting a video signal. I am using a vga to hdmi converter. Have verified the converter works properly. I can log into the controller via wifi, but cannot select a output resolution. Have triple checked wiring connections, but am at a loss at this point. I am questioning if the gbs is even powering on as the led indicator on the board does not illuminate. Any suggestions?
In the gbs interface it tells me gbs board not responding, does anyone know what is happening??? In addition, the blue LED on my esp8266 turns on when I connect it and then stays off.
I really want a downscaling solution and this seems like the cheapest thing. Its not plug and play, sure but man this seems like the best bang for you buck you can get. And if I ever feel the need to upscale, that will be there too.
Yup, agreed 100%
How does the board transmit sound to the tv if you don’t plug in all the component cables? Sorry this is probably a dumb question
Not dumb at all! You’d just bypass the board and send audio directly to the TV, speakers or stereo receiver.
Thank you so much. I don’t know how you have time come reply to a random comment on an old video, but I can’t thank you enough!
so am I right in understanding this can do lagless ypbpr to rgbhv converting? as a person trying to play original xbox games could be could if it did that and then also passed through ypbpr with the gbs-8220 model which has two outputs.