No no I fully understand, but the news is calling it nothing but "crash" so I thought I would spend the rest of the video pointing out it was a low-speed collision. Using clickbait to educate rather than to... Well, bait clicks.
@@FlyingScott hate to sound grouchy but i got told by a friend it mealy was just a shunt incident and given mr scotty is popular you can probs see why news media went bloody stupidly overboard in making it sound dramatic fortunately seen it when last at the york rail museum in the spot occupied by the class 40 and now currently No.4300 lode star an GWR star class engine worth going as its free entry but not the wonderlab thats £7 entry or £13 for a monthly pass
Not much more than a heavy shunt. According to the press, it had collided with another train? Looking at the footage, it seems to be reversing far to fast even for an old goods train. So no surprise it came to a sudden stop, but high speed collision?¿???
@@arthurreeder8451 Flying Scotsman is not an Old Goods Train, it is one of the old LNER Pacific Passenger Locos and as far as I know Flying Scotsman never ever pulled a goods train in her life
@peterwilliamallen1063 Oh she definitely did. A3s were common on fast parcels and fish trains. This is also true for A4s and especially all the variants of A2s.
Legit talk, the one concern I have about Flying Scotsman's little hard shunt incident is the state of her frames. As I recall, one of the biggest things that held up the NRM's restoration in the first place were the many frame cracks that needed to be repaired. I wish there had been video of the event to make it easier to judge, but depending on how hard the collision was (and going by the roof of the Royal Scotsman coach being a bit wrinkled it wasn't huge but it also wasn't nothing) I imagine there's concern about one of those repairs breaking loose or a new crack forming. Don't forget, the old girl's a century old and that amount of time doesn't do metal parts any good. Not to say she's made of crystal glass, but just like with old people those tumbles you could walk off in your youth tend to do more damage as the years go on.
Talk to Ian Riley if you have concerns. You don’t really think NRM did any restoration do you? They may pay but don’t actually do anything. She was overhauled at Riley’s in Bury, the same place that fully dismantle 2 Black Fives every year after working Scotland in the summer and fully rebuild them ready for the next season. 4472 generally gets several run outs at the East Lancs Railway in Bury after each session of maintenance working the heritage services before hitting the mainline most years. People paid well over £400 to be pulled by her all televised, I paid £25 for the same experience on the ELR before that heavily publicised first revenue earning journey as did many hundreds of other people. So after paying a fortune and having tv on board they really weren’t the first passengers but hey, why let facts get in the way of the actual truth?
@@stevenmoran4060 Cracks in the frames is another reason the Flying Scotsman should now be cut up. It's had a good innings and now is the right time to recycle it.
As an ex BR shunter myself, I have to say i have seen worse. A very philosophical take on dissappointment, I applaud you sir. I had the great pleasure to ride with Scotty several times on the Torbay Steam Railway way back 1975 for the summer season. Your tale reminded me of my own dissappointment however, a year later. I was to ride behind the King of railway locomotives, King George V, from Newport to Hereford. She failed however, and we passed her in the sidings at Wofferton, hauled by a class 47 diesel. Sad, but a great day put nonetheless.
I was a fireman out of eastfield traction depot springburn Glasgow 1974 and some of the crashes I seen if it had been today they would have been on the news drivers and firemen going right through the shed doors running into the buffers in queen st station 😂
I sympathize with your disappointment. Reminds me of the time I visited the Bluebell Railway only to find they had only one engine in steam, a visiting 56xx Taffy Tank, and she was only making 2 round trips that day. Top that off with the kick in the teeth that Tornado would be visiting the very next day, the same day I needed to return to Chester. Still a fine day out, but oh what could have been.
I'm planning to see Scotsman for it's 100th birthday at Doncaster or York, so this accident had me worried it would be out of action. I'm glad there wasn't too much damage and everyone got off unscathed.
I wouldn't call it a waste you got to see other amazing locomotives on the trip! The historic train lines over there is one of the few things that could actually get me to travel out of country.
An excellent short video of your wonderful journey..well done traveling so far..but by your accent its a journey home !?. Pity about Flying Scotsman...but you still experienced the sight and smell of live steam... Best wishes Martin
This is the first time I've ever heard such a story where a man comes all the way through France, through the channel tunnel and up through England to the Highlands of Scotland only to be dissapointed! 😂😂 And you bump into Dave from Dean park! Sounds like the perfect day..
It's strange hearing people refer to the National Railway Museum as NRM, considering I work for a company with the same name. Apparently someone once turned up there thinking it was the railway museum, hotel booked nearby and everything. He got a tour of the labs to make up for his disappointment.
Man I'm sorry m8 you didn't see her. I would be utterly disappointed. I saw Scotsman for the first time ever in person at the NRM for my 20th birthday. It's a day I never forget, but I wanna see her running too one day. Hopefully I can ride behind her one day. Until then, I enjoy her as my Hornby Dublo model on my shelf before I make a visit to the UK again. Greetings from Switzerland.
Half alert (And not having the best of days by any means) I thought I recognised the south end of Brussels and said to myself... „The 'Scotsman tour started _There?_ *No wonder* the driver made that mistake when coupling-up! I would be too, after driving an A3 from Halle to Glasgow!“ 🚂😲🤣 That could be a very interesting and lucrative offer for Eurostar to consider of course...But *Good Luck* getting that one past Eurotunnel! 🚇⛔🚂🤣 Awesome video here, chap...Especially love what you did with the audio in the opening clip! 🎶🛑😀
My first view of the FS was at Steamtown Carnforth on a very wet Wednesday in June 1979. I was the only person there that day, and the staff let me know that a train was running from the temporary platform to the mainline and back, about a mile. Bugger me, it was the FS with one carriage! They let me climb on the footplate, but not to travel on. The engine had been through an overhaul and was just being gently tested. I didn't care!! It was amazing. Even more amazing was the 2nd time I saw her. In Alice Springs in 1988 when she came to Australia for a bi-centenial visit for the country and did some phenomenal journeys. I was living in Darwin and flew down to see her and was not disappointed.
my grandpa has a vivid memory of seeing flying scotsman idling on the dual gauge turntable in seymour, victoria during the '88 tour and there was not a single other soul around; scotsman was just alone there sizzling away. so he happily got out of his car and walked around her and got quite a few photos. just him and scotsman.
Thank you for making this video, not only so that I now know that the newspaper reports were wildly exaggerated (they never return with the "ah, but in the end it was mostly alright", do they?), but also for allowing me to return to this little delight of a railway. I do hope you managed to visit the Beavertail observation car, as much as I like steam trains that was the absolute winner of the day for me: an absolute treat in (art) deco(ration). Kudos also for mentioning the wonderful staff, they are doing an amazing job keeping this stunning heritage line running and keeping all their guests happy.
Listening to some of the environmental exterior sounds in the steam sections of this video (Wearing some great headphones) shows the fantastic quality of modern stereo microphones on the camera used. Sorry for your sad loss on the Flying Scot, but do listen to the sounds you captured along the way.
There is a shed-load of missing the point here. It is the competence of the crew that is the real issue here: backing onto the rake without stopping short first shows a lack of professionalism whilst the cost of this incident will run into hundreds of thousands when one considers: damage, inspections, movement of vehicles, professional assessments, cancellation of the Royal Scotsman service and so on. This may look minor but the repercussions will be significant.
I'm really sorry you didn't get the chance to see the Flying Scotsman... and with the train being a century old too. Well, the damage is minor, so here's to hoping that Flying Scotsman will be repaired in time for it's 20th anniversary of being in the hands of the NRM in 2024. That potential quote from the NRM kinda shook me a bit: "You've broken her once, we won't give you the chance to do so again.".
I know that at least in North America these engine's were built to be tough, in their time they could go from having their boiler ripped off in a head on collision to hauling more freight like nothing happened in a matter of weeks.
Well the engine crew needs to be more careful with that loco flying Scotsman because this year is the locos centenary celebrations we don’t want that incident ruining its celebrations
That statement at 9:10 really is true - as someone who was lucky enough to travel behind Flying Scotsman on the Bluebell in the summer, it didn't really feel any different to being behind any other steam locomotive, save for the fact we didn't stop until reaching East Grinstead, and the fact the coach was jam-packed with people. Seeing Scotsman herself was nice, but the actual journey was more pleasant on the standard stopping train running that day (a visiting GWR Hall from Quainton Road), considering the majority of people were there for Scotsman and so the regular services were pretty much completely empty in comparison. Hopefully the NRM is more lenient than the staff fears they could be - after all, accidents happen.
I long ago made the decision not to visit railways when Scotsmen there, or other celebrity engines as gets too crowded and can appreciate the railway and the journey more with the usual engines that have at the railway. Probably coloured by my dads opinion from when he was driver on her and reckoned was a bag of nails, and that preferred other A3 had driven. I also prefer her with the double chimney and smoke deflectors so accept my opinion is probably the minority. Am off to the bluebell next weekend for the giants of steam event so looking forward to that.
@@michaelmcnally2331 different story for SNG on NYMR partaking in the gala wasnt surprisingly crowed for it though fairly busy the Friday i went not crowed as i thought it would be for Gresley witch had the deed of taking me to Pickering on the last train before heading home
The point of reporting incidents is to learn from them and ensure they do not happen in the future. I fear that there is a culture of rough buffering up that needs to be eliminated from footplate staff.
you might have been disappointed, but when my mother and brother visited Strathspey from Australia on Wednesday 5/10 not only did the steamer ( the Ivatt? ) fail, so did its diesel replacement! No Train at all!
I'm not surprised that 2mph is considered the 'danger zone' considering how much Flying Scotsman weighs, 150 tons hitting anything at around 10mph is definitely cause for concern. That said I'm sure the damage, if any, is minor, both locomotive and rolling stock are sturdily built, and are more than capable of taking limited shocks. Hopefully all three vehicles are back running on the rails soon.
Sadly, I agree with the response over removing them from working. Flying Scotsman and the coaches are old, and the nasty knock may affect their mainline status. Was in Aviemore the week before this happened and missed a chance of seeing it, but did enjoy the line.
It was merely the railway equivalent of a 'hard landing' by an airplane. But the carriages have to be safe at speed and there can be hidden mis-alignment, cracks etc that could pose a safety threat. Clearly-spoken & excellent, generous-hearted commentary, thank you.
A lot of people forget that the locomotive and carriages are very old and despite renovations a crash like that can be quite serious. When new a crash like that would have been nothing to it
This kind of incident happened a lot in BR days when we were dealing with thousands of coaches and hundreds of thousands of wagons. Just look at the many books of photos of those days and see many bent buffer beams and even bent diesel cabs. It was called rough shunting but never, of course, with passengers in coaches. All shunting of coaches with passengers they had to detrain and re-enter.
Rodney….. not so about having detrain and re-enter. The front portion of the Up Atlantic Coast Expressed arrived at Exeter Central and was drawn forward to the London end of the platform beyond the scissors crossover. The rear portion then arrived, the loco leaving the coaches at the platform and then moving forward, crossing from the platform line to the middle road. The front portion was then backed down onto the rear section of the train without a single passenger being asked to get off. As this was a daily move (indeed several times a day) suspect the scissors had a facing point lock to allow coaches complete with passengers to be pushed through. Passengers did have to get off when, for example, coaches were backed into the down bay at Salisbury …. An unusual move so no FPL.
@@mauricehopper7802 Thanks for that Maurice. I didn't know about the ACE but I suppose there were isolated examples of this but I never came across them.
it wasn't that they were "shunting" the train, but backing down to couple up, used to watch these goings on when they changed engines at Grantham years ago. However in this case they were a little careless, in that in days gone by there would have been the train guard and the shunter on the platform waiting. the locomotive being brought to a stand short of the train. the shunter would go down between the two parts and set the couplings and ready the hoses. the locomotive would then be eased up to the train to compress buffers, the shunter nips back between the loco and train couples up and fixes the hoses, then taking up slack on the screw link, all done. The guard then gave the nod of approval, and went off to do his brake test. Have seen a couple of "rough shunts" where the buckeye wouldn't play, and a heavy jerky push was required to persuade the buckeye to close.
@@petertrznadel8107well said. I volunteered at Richmond Vale Railway Museum in Australia and you described how I was taught as I was a loco fireman. I hope the crew driver,fireman,guard and possibly station staff being punished by fine or suspension or get re-trained so this doesn't happen again.
We used to make the Motorail shunt at Kensington Olympia with passengers on board tto put the outgoing services together. The sleeping cars off the various incoming night services
I'm surprised they did not run the carriage up to Glasgow by rail, must be cheaper, unless the carriage was too badly damaged to be pulled on the tracks?
Wait a minute? Did he say he was from the Netherlands? Being an American, revealing my ignorance, did I just hear him speaking with a heavy Scottish accent? 🤔 Great video and account. Thanks.
I was wondering that. Whether he was a Scot living in Netherlands, or Dutch who learned English from a Scot. The second option may sound a bit daft, but I went to a town in Turkey where most of the younger people spoke English with an Irish accent, because all of the English teachers were from Ireland. I also was addressed in the far East by someone who spoke good English with a heavy German accent. I turned around and to my surprise he was local, and usually their English has more of an American twang. He had learned his English whilst in Germany so picked up the accent.
What we are all forgetting is a) The speed the locomotive was setting back onto a train b) was there a shunter present giving hand signals c) It can't be all the Driver and Fireman's fault d) obviously corners have been cut
The mk 1 coach is known as a garden shed on top of a battle ship frame there biggest fault is round the windows, there should be a plastic tube to take way the condensation of the window if this tube is not fitted it rots the steel frame that the side panels are welded to my husband has replaced many of the top hat frames on the mark one's,
Hardly a crash thank goodness , and soon be all back to rights again , I expect the H.S.E will be involved and publish their findings and I expect there is a footplate crew with their tails between their legs apart from red face's over this .
Interesting video with nice steam impressions from that event. Thanks God there was no bigger damage caused by the accident. Thumbs up! :) Greetings Mega
Ironically, I witnessed an almost identical shunting incident this weekend (at around 3mph). For the record the Oleo's just about coped with the impact, but it was on another heritage railway and the shunter assigned to watch and control the coupling wasn't paying any real attention - which coupled with an over-exuberant use of the regulator, and the 'bacon-slicer' in an unnecessarily high setting, ensured that the loco (as big as they get on heritage lines), forced the 5 + 1 formation backwards a few inches while passengers were aboard. No one seemed too upset by the event and I suspect the RAIB will never be involved, but I suspect a fair amount has been learned as the crew were having a 'furrowed brow' chat for a couple of minutes afterwards...
Oddly there are no "shunter" qualifications , (though HRA does have an ideal checklist of experience and competancy) , save for being over 21 years of age
@@highpath4776 I do find that a bit odd too. Luckily there were no collars on the Oleo's (which I have seen before), so the shock impact wasn't THAT bad - but it certainly demands a bit of policy being put into place as I normally see one of the loco crew supervising the move.
Ultimately it could've been a lot worse, nobody got killed and the dents will buff out in the end. Ultimately feel sorry for the crew, I'd be distressed beyond words if I was in their shoes.
It was a heavy shunt that used to happen on a regular basis (even with a shunter) but on this occasion sadly two people were injured. Im just an enthusiast but from the video I have seen there was no shunter visible guiding the footplate crew back. The RAIB report will make interesting reading but hope will not be too severe in its findings and hopefully a lesson learnt for all. I see the Flying Scotsman is back on main line duty so would assume damage to the loco was negligible and that the injured are making a speedy recovery.
I can't understand people's determination to capture live events, including the comings and goings of steam locomotives through the lens of a mobile phone. For most people they have two perfectly serviceable Mk1 eyeballs. Put the phones away and enjoy the event in the moment. The memory of the occasion will remain with you far longer than a forgotten JPEG or movie file.
The FS is operated by a UK Holding Company of the UK Government ... once it was tucked away in the shed I expect the arguments started about who will PAY?
I was always taught when buffering up the aim is to place the buffers a distance apart such that an egg can be placed between them a tight fit but not breaking. The idea is to get the distance to the carriage the appropriate distance for attaching the coupling in an efficient and safe manner for the haul away. Too many drivers seem to think that a statisfying "clunk" is required using the springs and the grease/fluids in the buffers to absorb the excess energy, get it wrong and damage can occur to the buffer beams, wagon , tender or loco chassis as well as damaging any passengers or goods aboard the consist.
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 67 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
In old time railway parlance, this was what was known as a 'rough shunt'; a very low speed bump. The headlining on BBC and other 'responsible' media was grossly over-written, making it sound like a major disaster.
Do we know the cause yet? If I had to guess, I would say the common fault of failing to warm up the steam brake cylinder(s), causing condensate and poor locomotive braking.
I doubt it, GBRf are very heritage friendly & understanding that these kind of things happen and they’re accidents, I mean they painted 66’s in BR colours and also support the SVR by sending their engineering/signal staff there to train).
The video opens with a clip of the engine backing up and the damn driver or fireman watching the thing unfold in deadpan silence. Holy shit, holler out, or grab the brake handle and make some effort to avert calamity. What a douche. Are there sobriety checks for railroad personnel in the UK? Geez. The crew should lose their job if that was a mainline operation and passengers had been injured.
Is this the same 2MT that derailed on the great central. Regarding the careless shunting with no station staff on the platform to guild Scotty onto the train she hit at about 15/20 mph, what was the fireman doing and what was looking at and there was more than two people in the cab when Scotsman hit the train. When flying Scotsman was in Australia for the bicentenary (1988/89) she was treated like royalty. I hope people involved in the crash are suspended and pay any possible damage. I don't blame the museum or railway just loco crew, shunter, guard and station crew. WHERE WAS THE LOOKOUTS, there wasn't any on the day the crash happened. Sorry Flying Scott for my rant. I was a supporter when she was in Australia. 🇦🇺🤠🦘
Not being horrible, but I wouldn't call it a crash.
No no I fully understand, but the news is calling it nothing but "crash" so I thought I would spend the rest of the video pointing out it was a low-speed collision. Using clickbait to educate rather than to... Well, bait clicks.
@@FlyingScott hate to sound grouchy but i got told by a friend it mealy was just a shunt incident and given mr scotty is popular you can probs see why news media went bloody stupidly overboard in making it sound dramatic fortunately seen it when last at the york rail museum in the spot occupied by the class 40 and now currently No.4300 lode star an GWR star class engine worth going as its free entry but not the wonderlab thats £7 entry or £13 for a monthly pass
Not much more than a heavy shunt. According to the press, it had collided with another train? Looking at the footage, it seems to be reversing far to fast even for an old goods train. So no surprise it came to a sudden stop, but high speed collision?¿???
@@arthurreeder8451 Flying Scotsman is not an Old Goods Train, it is one of the old LNER Pacific Passenger Locos and as far as I know Flying Scotsman never ever pulled a goods train in her life
@peterwilliamallen1063
Oh she definitely did. A3s were common on fast parcels and fish trains. This is also true for A4s and especially all the variants of A2s.
Legit talk, the one concern I have about Flying Scotsman's little hard shunt incident is the state of her frames. As I recall, one of the biggest things that held up the NRM's restoration in the first place were the many frame cracks that needed to be repaired. I wish there had been video of the event to make it easier to judge, but depending on how hard the collision was (and going by the roof of the Royal Scotsman coach being a bit wrinkled it wasn't huge but it also wasn't nothing) I imagine there's concern about one of those repairs breaking loose or a new crack forming. Don't forget, the old girl's a century old and that amount of time doesn't do metal parts any good. Not to say she's made of crystal glass, but just like with old people those tumbles you could walk off in your youth tend to do more damage as the years go on.
Talk to Ian Riley if you have concerns. You don’t really think NRM did any restoration do you? They may pay but don’t actually do anything.
She was overhauled at Riley’s in Bury, the same place that fully dismantle 2 Black Fives every year after working Scotland in the summer and fully rebuild them ready for the next season.
4472 generally gets several run outs at the East Lancs Railway in Bury after each session of maintenance working the heritage services before hitting the mainline most years.
People paid well over £400 to be pulled by her all televised, I paid £25 for the same experience on the ELR before that heavily publicised first revenue earning journey as did many hundreds of other people.
So after paying a fortune and having tv on board they really weren’t the first passengers but hey, why let facts get in the way of the actual truth?
@@stevenmoran4060 Cracks in the frames is another reason the Flying Scotsman should now be cut up. It's had a good innings and now is the right time to recycle it.
@@PreservationEnthusiast
Why scrap it? Put it in the NRM as a static museum piece.
@@timhubbard8895 See my reply in the thead by Abethebabe. I covered that option too.
@@PreservationEnthusiastno. It won't be cut up
As an ex BR shunter myself, I have to say i have seen worse. A very philosophical take on dissappointment, I applaud you sir. I had the great pleasure to ride with Scotty several times on the Torbay Steam Railway way back 1975 for the summer season. Your tale reminded me of my own dissappointment however, a year later. I was to ride behind the King of railway locomotives, King George V, from Newport to Hereford. She failed however, and we passed her in the sidings at Wofferton, hauled by a class 47 diesel. Sad, but a great day put nonetheless.
I was a fireman out of eastfield traction depot springburn Glasgow 1974 and some of the crashes I seen if it had been today they would have been on the news drivers and firemen going right through the shed doors running into the buffers in queen st station 😂
46512 was an ex Oswestry loco which grandad drove from Oswestry to Llanfyllin .
I travelled to school on the Flying Scotsman in the 1970's. He was on loan to a preserved railway and was our daily transport.
Thank you for a well made video and interesting commentary - it’s good to know that reckless shunting hasn’t done too much damage.
I sympathize with your disappointment. Reminds me of the time I visited the Bluebell Railway only to find they had only one engine in steam, a visiting 56xx Taffy Tank, and she was only making 2 round trips that day. Top that off with the kick in the teeth that Tornado would be visiting the very next day, the same day I needed to return to Chester. Still a fine day out, but oh what could have been.
Wonderful poetry. It flows steadily and keeps you hooked. Excellent!
0:08 would have been better if we heard "HAMMOND!"
I'm planning to see Scotsman for it's 100th birthday at Doncaster or York, so this accident had me worried it would be out of action. I'm glad there wasn't too much damage and everyone got off unscathed.
I wouldn't call it a waste you got to see other amazing locomotives on the trip! The historic train lines over there is one of the few things that could actually get me to travel out of country.
An excellent short video of your wonderful journey..well done traveling so far..but by your accent its a journey home !?. Pity about Flying Scotsman...but you still experienced the sight and smell of live steam...
Best wishes Martin
This is the first time I've ever heard such a story where a man comes all the way through France, through the channel tunnel and up through England to the Highlands of Scotland only to be dissapointed! 😂😂
And you bump into Dave from Dean park! Sounds like the perfect day..
Aviemore and the Highlands are well-worth the trip . . .
It's strange hearing people refer to the National Railway Museum as NRM, considering I work for a company with the same name.
Apparently someone once turned up there thinking it was the railway museum, hotel booked nearby and everything. He got a tour of the labs to make up for his disappointment.
100 years on and hope it returns on tours of the UK ,Lovely video and Glad you had a lovely time in the UK regardless.
Poor Flying Scotsman, hope he gets better soon
Man I'm sorry m8 you didn't see her. I would be utterly disappointed. I saw Scotsman for the first time ever in person at the NRM for my 20th birthday. It's a day I never forget, but I wanna see her running too one day. Hopefully I can ride behind her one day. Until then, I enjoy her as my Hornby Dublo model on my shelf before I make a visit to the UK again. Greetings from Switzerland.
Half alert (And not having the best of days by any means) I thought I recognised the south end of Brussels and said to myself...
„The 'Scotsman tour started _There?_ *No wonder* the driver made that mistake when coupling-up! I would be too, after driving an A3 from Halle to Glasgow!“ 🚂😲🤣
That could be a very interesting and lucrative offer for Eurostar to consider of course...But *Good Luck* getting that one past Eurotunnel! 🚇⛔🚂🤣
Awesome video here, chap...Especially love what you did with the audio in the opening clip! 🎶🛑😀
My first view of the FS was at Steamtown Carnforth on a very wet Wednesday in June 1979. I was the only person there that day, and the staff let me know that a train was running from the temporary platform to the mainline and back, about a mile. Bugger me, it was the FS with one carriage! They let me climb on the footplate, but not to travel on. The engine had been through an overhaul and was just being gently tested. I didn't care!! It was amazing. Even more amazing was the 2nd time I saw her. In Alice Springs in 1988 when she came to Australia for a bi-centenial visit for the country and did some phenomenal journeys. I was living in Darwin and flew down to see her and was not disappointed.
my grandpa has a vivid memory of seeing flying scotsman idling on the dual gauge turntable in seymour, victoria during the '88 tour and there was not a single other soul around; scotsman was just alone there sizzling away. so he happily got out of his car and walked around her and got quite a few photos. just him and scotsman.
Plus in the beautiful apple green!@@comengsh
Hi , just to let you know that I have thurly enjoyed your video of the Flying Scotsman - Excellent.
Thank you for making this video, not only so that I now know that the newspaper reports were wildly exaggerated (they never return with the "ah, but in the end it was mostly alright", do they?), but also for allowing me to return to this little delight of a railway. I do hope you managed to visit the Beavertail observation car, as much as I like steam trains that was the absolute winner of the day for me: an absolute treat in (art) deco(ration). Kudos also for mentioning the wonderful staff, they are doing an amazing job keeping this stunning heritage line running and keeping all their guests happy.
you should know by now the media always over exaggerate things
I was waiting for the gutter press to scream 'Flying Scotsman-train wreck! What is wrong with our railways?'
I got to see Flying Scotsman when it was brought here to Australia in 1988 for our 200th year celebrations.
You have a very good story-telling voice. Interesting video.
Thank you kindly!
Listening to some of the environmental exterior sounds in the steam sections of this video (Wearing some great headphones) shows the fantastic quality of modern stereo microphones on the camera used. Sorry for your sad loss on the Flying Scot, but do listen to the sounds you captured along the way.
I hope the two people who were injured are okay.
Don't worry, they are. They've been released from hospital now.
@@Frserthegreenengine that’s a relief.
@@Frserthegreenengine phew, I’m glad they are okay! That could have been much worse…
There is a shed-load of missing the point here. It is the competence of the crew that is the real issue here: backing onto the rake without stopping short first shows a lack of professionalism whilst the cost of this incident will run into hundreds of thousands when one considers: damage, inspections, movement of vehicles, professional assessments, cancellation of the Royal Scotsman service and so on. This may look minor but the repercussions will be significant.
I'm really sorry you didn't get the chance to see the Flying Scotsman... and with the train being a century old too. Well, the damage is minor, so here's to hoping that Flying Scotsman will be repaired in time for it's 20th anniversary of being in the hands of the NRM in 2024. That potential quote from the NRM kinda shook me a bit: "You've broken her once, we won't give you the chance to do so again.".
I know that at least in North America these engine's were built to be tough, in their time they could go from having their boiler ripped off in a head on collision to hauling more freight like nothing happened in a matter of weeks.
Thanks for the update video.😀
Great video, there's nothing quite like the sound of mk1s rolling along the rails 😊
Well the engine crew needs to be more careful with that loco flying Scotsman because this year is the locos centenary celebrations we don’t want that incident ruining its celebrations
That statement at 9:10 really is true - as someone who was lucky enough to travel behind Flying Scotsman on the Bluebell in the summer, it didn't really feel any different to being behind any other steam locomotive, save for the fact we didn't stop until reaching East Grinstead, and the fact the coach was jam-packed with people. Seeing Scotsman herself was nice, but the actual journey was more pleasant on the standard stopping train running that day (a visiting GWR Hall from Quainton Road), considering the majority of people were there for Scotsman and so the regular services were pretty much completely empty in comparison.
Hopefully the NRM is more lenient than the staff fears they could be - after all, accidents happen.
I long ago made the decision not to visit railways when Scotsmen there, or other celebrity engines as gets too crowded and can appreciate the railway and the journey more with the usual engines that have at the railway.
Probably coloured by my dads opinion from when he was driver on her and reckoned was a bag of nails, and that preferred other A3 had driven.
I also prefer her with the double chimney and smoke deflectors so accept my opinion is probably the minority.
Am off to the bluebell next weekend for the giants of steam event so looking forward to that.
@@michaelmcnally2331 different story for SNG on NYMR partaking in the gala wasnt surprisingly crowed for it though fairly busy the Friday i went not crowed as i thought it would be for Gresley witch had the deed of taking me to Pickering on the last train before heading home
The point of reporting incidents is to learn from them and ensure they do not happen in the future. I fear that there is a culture of rough buffering up that needs to be eliminated from footplate staff.
Looks awful with those German style smoke deflectors.
you might have been disappointed, but when my mother and brother visited Strathspey from Australia on Wednesday 5/10 not only did the steamer ( the Ivatt? ) fail, so did its diesel replacement! No Train at all!
Ive been in the cab of the flying scotsman
only very briefly, and before the crash ofc
its beautiful
The intro though 😂. Hope the 2 people have a speedy recovery
I'm not surprised that 2mph is considered the 'danger zone' considering how much Flying Scotsman weighs, 150 tons hitting anything at around 10mph is definitely cause for concern. That said I'm sure the damage, if any, is minor, both locomotive and rolling stock are sturdily built, and are more than capable of taking limited shocks. Hopefully all three vehicles are back running on the rails soon.
Sadly, I agree with the response over removing them from working. Flying Scotsman and the coaches are old, and the nasty knock may affect their mainline status.
Was in Aviemore the week before this happened and missed a chance of seeing it, but did enjoy the line.
A truly great video. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure this is like a alternate version for, it's good to be gordon.😮
Sorry to hear you never got your chance to see the Flying Scotsman like you have hoped.
It was merely the railway equivalent of a 'hard landing' by an airplane. But the carriages have to be safe at speed and there can be hidden mis-alignment, cracks etc that could pose a safety threat. Clearly-spoken & excellent, generous-hearted commentary, thank you.
A lot of people forget that the locomotive and carriages are very old and despite renovations a crash like that can be quite serious. When new a crash like that would have been nothing to it
I love your videos keep up the good work
I wouldn't worry too much about the dent but the clean up must be extensive due to the spilled refreshments inside the passenger rail carriages.
46512 looks familiar… didn’t it derail one time like several years ago?
This kind of incident happened a lot in BR days when we were dealing with thousands of coaches and hundreds of thousands of wagons. Just look at the many books of photos of those days and see many bent buffer beams and even bent diesel cabs. It was called rough shunting but never, of course, with passengers in coaches. All shunting of coaches with passengers they had to detrain and re-enter.
Rodney….. not so about having detrain and re-enter. The front portion of the Up Atlantic Coast Expressed arrived at Exeter Central and was drawn forward to the London end of the platform beyond the scissors crossover. The rear portion then arrived, the loco leaving the coaches at the platform and then moving forward, crossing from the platform line to the middle road. The front portion was then backed down onto the rear section of the train without a single passenger being asked to get off. As this was a daily move (indeed several times a day) suspect the scissors had a facing point lock to allow coaches complete with passengers to be pushed through. Passengers did have to get off when, for example, coaches were backed into the down bay at Salisbury …. An unusual move so no FPL.
@@mauricehopper7802 Thanks for that Maurice. I didn't know about the ACE but I suppose there were isolated examples of this but I never came across them.
it wasn't that they were "shunting" the train, but backing down to couple up, used to watch these goings on when they changed engines at Grantham years ago. However in this case they were a little careless, in that in days gone by there would have been the train guard and the shunter on the platform waiting. the locomotive being brought to a stand short of the train. the shunter would go down between the two parts and set the couplings and ready the hoses. the locomotive would then be eased up to the train to compress buffers, the shunter nips back between the loco and train couples up and fixes the hoses, then taking up slack on the screw link, all done. The guard then gave the nod of approval, and went off to do his brake test. Have seen a couple of "rough shunts" where the buckeye wouldn't play, and a heavy jerky push was required to persuade the buckeye to close.
@@petertrznadel8107well said. I volunteered at Richmond Vale Railway Museum in Australia and you described how I was taught as I was a loco fireman. I hope the crew driver,fireman,guard and possibly station staff being punished by fine or suspension or get re-trained so this doesn't happen again.
We used to make the Motorail shunt at Kensington Olympia with passengers on board tto put the outgoing services together. The sleeping cars off the various incoming night services
I'm surprised they did not run the carriage up to Glasgow by rail, must be cheaper, unless the carriage was too badly damaged to be pulled on the tracks?
Reminds me of when Norfolk and Western 475 smashed into that excavator. An avoidable accident maybe, but more importantly an opportunity to learn.
You really came for the deep fried mars bar… 🏴
Shh don't tell 'em
@@FlyingScott I think you are the first person I've seen admitting to liking a DFMB. How many more will come out of their closet now?
Gordon sends his condolences
Wait a minute? Did he say he was from the Netherlands? Being an American, revealing my ignorance, did I just hear him speaking with a heavy Scottish accent? 🤔 Great video and account. Thanks.
I'm 3rd gen, Aberdeenshire in origin :)
I was wondering that. Whether he was a Scot living in Netherlands, or Dutch who learned English from a Scot. The second option may sound a bit daft, but I went to a town in Turkey where most of the younger people spoke English with an Irish accent, because all of the English teachers were from Ireland. I also was addressed in the far East by someone who spoke good English with a heavy German accent. I turned around and to my surprise he was local, and usually their English has more of an American twang. He had learned his English whilst in Germany so picked up the accent.
What we are all forgetting is a) The speed the locomotive was setting back onto a train b) was there a shunter present giving hand signals c) It can't be all the Driver and Fireman's fault d) obviously corners have been cut
"im sorry sir i didn't mean too i couldn't see when i had to stop!"-the flying Scotsman
I'm sorry that you missed the train.
I'm working on the royal scotsman just now sandblasting parts to return it to service 😮
The mk 1 coach is known as a garden shed on top of a battle ship frame there biggest fault is round the windows, there should be a plastic tube to take way the condensation of the window if this tube is not fitted it rots the steel frame that the side panels are welded to my husband has replaced many of the top hat frames on the mark one's,
I like that you sound Viking its great!
I was meant to be going on it the day after, really pissed off that it got cancelled
Hardly a crash thank goodness , and soon be all back to rights again , I expect the H.S.E will be involved and publish their findings and I expect there is a footplate crew with their tails between their legs apart from red face's over this .
Nice view of the Railway in GB. Like Thomas the little Steamengine 🛤🤮👍
I guess it's a better time than later to say that luckily, no one was hurt!
What a great little video about something that didn't happen.
Of course the Bonnie Lass of Bon Accord has skirts! It's a Scott Skinner strathspey dance.
I see what you did there; clever :)
Interesting video with nice steam impressions from that event. Thanks God there was no bigger damage caused by the accident. Thumbs up! :)
Greetings
Mega
Ironically, I witnessed an almost identical shunting incident this weekend (at around 3mph). For the record the Oleo's just about coped with the impact, but it was on another heritage railway and the shunter assigned to watch and control the coupling wasn't paying any real attention - which coupled with an over-exuberant use of the regulator, and the 'bacon-slicer' in an unnecessarily high setting, ensured that the loco (as big as they get on heritage lines), forced the 5 + 1 formation backwards a few inches while passengers were aboard.
No one seemed too upset by the event and I suspect the RAIB will never be involved, but I suspect a fair amount has been learned as the crew were having a 'furrowed brow' chat for a couple of minutes afterwards...
Oddly there are no "shunter" qualifications , (though HRA does have an ideal checklist of experience and competancy) , save for being over 21 years of age
@@highpath4776 I do find that a bit odd too. Luckily there were no collars on the Oleo's (which I have seen before), so the shock impact wasn't THAT bad - but it certainly demands a bit of policy being put into place as I normally see one of the loco crew supervising the move.
Minor damage to the coach which can be repaired. Thankfully it wasn't more serious to either crew, passengers, loco, or rolling stock.
Spent a nice few days on the royal scotsman in 2016!
Ultimately it could've been a lot worse, nobody got killed and the dents will buff out in the end.
Ultimately feel sorry for the crew, I'd be distressed beyond words if I was in their shoes.
It was a heavy shunt that used to happen on a regular basis (even with a shunter) but on this occasion sadly two people were injured. Im just an enthusiast but from the video I have seen there was no shunter visible guiding the footplate crew back. The RAIB report will make interesting reading but hope will not be too severe in its findings and hopefully a lesson learnt for all. I see the Flying Scotsman is back on main line duty so would assume damage to the loco was negligible and that the injured are making a speedy recovery.
I can't understand people's determination to capture live events, including the comings and goings of steam locomotives through the lens of a mobile phone. For most people they have two perfectly serviceable Mk1 eyeballs. Put the phones away and enjoy the event in the moment. The memory of the occasion will remain with you far longer than a forgotten JPEG or movie file.
46512 is a Mogul not a Prairie
Whoops, must have looked over at the running number and subconsciously added the 2 at the end of it to the whyte!
all coaches involved in a collision have to be lifted to ensure the bogie centre casting and pins aren't bent or cracked.
given the "severity" of such collisions would this potentially be up to all the coaches in the arrangement ?
Years ago when I worked for BR the whole set would be stopped and lifted, I don't know what they regulations state nowadays.@@highpath4776
The FS is operated by a UK Holding Company of the UK Government ... once it was tucked away in the shed I expect the arguments started about who will PAY?
I thought Bon accord was in Aberdeen at the royal deeside
Update us on the train if you can. I’d hate to hear that the Scotsman is beyond repair.
It's definitely not beyond repair. A heavy shunt such as this may cause some damage but until the inspection is done it's hard to say what
Scotsman may be old, but locomotives (at least in North America) are built tough.
Thanks for sharing your film. Your accent could be from the Western Islands of Scotland.
I hope the Flying Scotsman is alright.
So the Flying Dutchman came to see the Flying Scotsman ?
Called a rough shunt, witnessed plenty on depots I worked at, obviously this time people were injured.
for someone who has come all the way from the Netherlands, you have a discticive Scottish brogue
Familial ties to Aberdeenshire :)
THE AFTERMATH OF WHAT
“HAMMOND YOU IDIOT YOU REVERSED INTO THE SPORTS LORRY!”
I know right
Totally overkill if you ask me. Could at least allowed visitors to walk around Scotsman. Easy enough to have towed her out of the shed to view.
Another cracking video shame about 60103
Flying scott the royal scotsman coaches seemed to have the windows all smashed out if you look carefully
I was always taught when buffering up the aim is to place the buffers a distance apart such that an egg can be placed between them a tight fit but not breaking. The idea is to get the distance to the carriage the appropriate distance for attaching the coupling in an efficient and safe manner for the haul away. Too many drivers seem to think that a statisfying "clunk" is required using the springs and the grease/fluids in the buffers to absorb the excess energy, get it wrong and damage can occur to the buffer beams, wagon , tender or loco chassis as well as damaging any passengers or goods aboard the consist.
Never heard the egg story before you would get terrible snatching just like a loose coupled goods.
I needed to know why they don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so that they can extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into Five cars per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers. A Stock Trains and also having 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 67 Octagon and Every 37 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 18 Tonnes for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!! And Please do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
shut up
That engineer blind in one eye and can't see out the other? 😂
In old time railway parlance, this was what was known as a 'rough shunt'; a very low speed bump. The headlining on BBC and other 'responsible' media was grossly over-written, making it sound like a major disaster.
It still should not have happened
Well, the media is responsible for getting viewers, and, hey, drama sells; the media beast was merely behaving according to its innate nature.
It was a slight bump. Flying Scotsman is back out on Railtours.
It's a money pit, like your favourite car , you just don't want to get rid of it...
Do we know the cause yet? If I had to guess, I would say the common fault of failing to warm up the steam brake cylinder(s), causing condensate and poor locomotive braking.
*"I meant to do that."*
- Peewee Herman
not just the NRM, being a GBRf tour set they crashed into GBRf might even pull the plug on storing said coaches, so they will lose money
I doubt it, GBRf are very heritage friendly & understanding that these kind of things happen and they’re accidents, I mean they painted 66’s in BR colours and also support the SVR by sending their engineering/signal staff there to train).
@MrTumnus1987 True, i guess it depends on the damage done to the coaches, seen a big abiut the owner of GBRf and he does seem very genuine
The video opens with a clip of the engine backing up and the damn driver or fireman watching the thing unfold in deadpan silence. Holy shit, holler out, or grab the brake handle and make some effort to avert calamity. What a douche. Are there sobriety checks for railroad personnel in the UK? Geez. The crew should lose their job if that was a mainline operation and passengers had been injured.
That is a computer animation, not a real video. No guarantee it's anything like what really happened.
Wow in the show they said he never crashed
That's not a crash just a mere tickle. A HST crushed a Class 52 Western to its bulkhead back in Laira depot back in late 70s
THE FLYING SCOTSMAN CRASHED!?
Gordon: oh The indignity😢
Is this the same 2MT that derailed on the great central. Regarding the careless shunting with no station staff on the platform to guild Scotty onto the train she hit at about 15/20 mph, what was the fireman doing and what was looking at and there was more than two people in the cab when Scotsman hit the train. When flying Scotsman was in Australia for the bicentenary (1988/89) she was treated like royalty. I hope people involved in the crash are suspended and pay any possible damage. I don't blame the museum or railway just loco crew, shunter, guard and station crew. WHERE WAS THE LOOKOUTS, there wasn't any on the day the crash happened. Sorry Flying Scott for my rant. I was a supporter when she was in Australia. 🇦🇺🤠🦘
Crash? Crash?!? This is barely a hard coupling, i seen British shunters wack wagons harder in the 50s than that
Difference is those were wagons, not 100mph bogied passenger carriages
People when the flying scotsmans crash wasnt flying into a stopped train at 100MPH (they wanted it to be like thomas)
Oh the Flying Hard Shunt.