I was told by my infant's violin teacher that I should not learn to play violin along with him because I would intimidate him. Being the kind of mother who wants nothing more than to elevate her children, I complied. I went to every lesson. I knew what was expected, and I did my best to reinforce learning, but there was that day when I remember being so clearly exasperated that I snatched the violin from my child to demonstrate what I wanted from him only to realize I could not show him. It made no difference how many lessons I attended, if one doesn't do the practice work, one can not play the violin. One can not show him. This is what I know for sure. I am 79 years old, and I now am learning to play violin. Thank you for instruction that wasn't available to me back in the day. Thank you!
My mother got a violin and started learning with me and my brother from the start. One of the best things she could’ve done to help us practice! I can’t imagine a formative teacher telling a parent not to learn along with their child
Your video is helpful but for me if you turned around so you show where your finger tip is contacting the string and how your finger tip is moving on the string it would make this vibrato far easier to figure out and what what needs to be done. to achieve it. Thanks
@@terrychapelas541 Machen Sie mit dem 2. Finger ein Glissando in hohe Lagen und wischen Sie hin und her ( wie sanft Staub wischen, an Flageolett denken und die Saite nicht verlassen) dann haben Sie die richtige Stellung und Richtung. Das Endgelenk muss beweglich sein.
This video was extremely helpful, I'm 72 and I've been playing for 2.5 years. I can play loads of nice tunes which would sound so much sweeter with vibrato. I'm not giving up, I'll definitely be trying your technique. Thank you so much.😊
I like the guys who demonstrate more than explaining. You are definitively one of them. It is defeating that some videos talk theories during 30 minutes without showing a single entire vibrato phrase.
holy smokes! Your "knock" technique made an immediate difference for me. It feels like it will take some time to build this into a habit, but I had all but given up hope and this seems to have cracked it. Much thanks!
I love the breakdown! I’ve seen multiple videos where people instruct the same process. During vibrato, I see the arm shake but when they teach it, they focus on movement in the phalanges, others use wrist vibrato. This left me perplexed as to how the arm moves and an instructor replied it’ll move the faster I move my phalanges. I see here that is not the case. I am excited to try this and improve my vibrato. Thank you for sharing your knowledge 🤓
Exactly the same! I have been watching dozens after dozens of videos and everyone is showing phalanges exercises and such but when I see them actually do vibrato they are mainly doing this arm shake!
Wowwwww. The way I was taught as a child has had a negative impact on me through adulthood and after watching your video it fixed every frustration I ever had with my vibrato technique. This is so clear and it feels natural. I cannot thank you enough!
I'm 58 yrs old and have just one violin class. Your vibrato methodology sounds great. Lemme try and see how I cope up with it. Thank you..... Great stuff.
You sir are a genius. I have been trying to get good at vibrato (Cello). But no matter what, I could not maintain a nice rhythm. I would always come up with a very fast vibrato. This knock knock technique I just tried today and it worked so wonderfully. Thank you very much, very grateful to you.
This explanation is a remarkable teaching for me since I have always had a problem with employing the arm technique. You have made it more understandable and attainable for me. Thanks a zillion.
Thank you man, I always tried to imitate the vibrato from videos but this is the one that I undertood the most (srry 4 bad english, not my first language)
I started learning violin at 16, fingering, bowing, and playing in tune wasn't an issue. I had just started learning vibrato when my lessons stopped and I moved away to college. Now 20 some years later, I've tried to teach myself vibrato over the years, but it's still not good. Partly because I wasn't sure I was doing it correctly. I was learning wrist vibrato, but found finger vibrato easier with my first and 2nd finger, but that motion didn't really work with my third finger, so I would then use the wrist vibrato which I have yet to get very even at a faster pace. I will try your method and see how it goes.
I finally got the knocking motion right, but the problem is that i can't keep my finger on the string or in place. Does time fix this or i should do something about it?
"*clears throat* *thumpthump*. Father and Mother, forgive me for causing you inconvenience in the corridors of your chamber at such a late hour, but I am thirsty"
I think this 07:43 why older people have harder time to learn vibrato is... One, they have played different for years. Two, tightness limitations... For me, i am quite tight in my forearm and hand limiting me turning it outwards. I had this already as a child for some reason. So i would greatly appreciate if you had some tip on how to adress this because i think this is my main reason for not being able to relax and to a vibrato.
I am learning Violine for almost a year now. Finally..... Finally I start with vibrato.. My teacher showed me both 'knocking' motions.. Just like you did.. I will grind through.. Just with the double stops. If it does not work she also has other ideas as well. So we will see
I haven't had a violin in a while, as my last one got stolen; but I watch videos like this because I have it in the back of my mind that I might want to buy a new one and pick it up again. I was only maybe a year into it at the time, with my main focus always being on guitar and other fretted instruments. I remember my problem with vibrato, though, being that I shake the violin too much, which scratches up my tone. Watching this video, I think it's because I need to be doing inline vibratos. As a guitarist of nearly 30 years my natural inclination is to shake the string for a good vibrato, but that shook the violin too much; which made my bow jump around and give me a terrible sound. I think I need to be doing my vibratos as I would on the high E or in the higher register on guitar; in line with the plane of the neck instead of shaking the string perpendicular to it. I never thought about that and figured maybe I was just holding the violin wrong or not putting enough pressure down with my chin to keep it stable. lol
I'm a guitar teacher who's struggling to learn violin, and I realised that we have a tough time with vibrato because guitar vibrato is quite different to violin. Classical guitar and electric guitar vibrato techniques are quite different - but neither uses the flexing of the finger tip joint that is essential in violin vibrato.
I play without a shoulder rest supporting the violin with base of index finger and thumb. Do I have to change the way I support the violin during vibrato? Thank you
I play carnatic classic music but i want to improve my bowing and while playing several notes in faster pace I want clarity in sound can i take 8:41 lessons in Western Music and gain?
Its hard to tell from the camera angle, is the knuckle being flattened to produce the vibrato or just the finger moving on the string? it seems like the finger moving, but in the last example of the adult method it looks like the knuckle being flattened.
Hello Teacher Em rất thích cách kéo không cần Shoulder rest nhưng Khi em tập violin không cần Shoulder rest thì vai bên trái bij gồng sức và đau Khi làm Vidrato thì cây đàn bị lắc lư niên sánh ra nhiều vấn đề về kéo và tiếng ạ
Hi, a question on vibrato without a shoulder rest. I have been playing violin for over 10 years now and vibrato is the one thing that I am unable to grasp. I was taught it poorly with my first teacher and am suffering as a result. I've recently been restructuring quite a bit of my left hand technique (practicing 5ths and many different scales) and I am also trying to learn to play without a shoulder rest (I have a very long neck and this has caused me some problems). What I don't understand is how to execute the vibrato while holding the weight of the violin in my left hand. I feel as though I need to support the instrument with the first joint of my first finger but this contact stops me from being able to execute the vibrato action cleanly. I am trying very hard to create space between that joint and the instrument but my fingers often end up at the wrong angle as a result and I know it's not correct because I can feel the strain all down my arm and cannot practice it for very long at all. For the record, I am learning a wrist vibrato. I also have no problem playing scales without a shoulder rest which is normally what people find difficult when making the switch (or so I'm told). I hope someone might be able to help.
Ive been playing guitar for decades picked up a violin at a thrift shop not long ago, i feel like im trying to learn to walk with simple vibrato, its tough!
It looks easy, and I have decent vibrato on guitar, but my hands just don’t move that way when holding a tiny instrument to my chin, my wrist just doesn’t want to move in that direction… it comes down to muscle memory and flexibility. Children don’t have well developed versions of either. You need not front to back but side to side movement, adults have built rigidity for stability in lifting heavy objects in this regard and that motion isn’t needed for anything else…
how interesting, ive been using wrist vibrato my whole life with a shoulder rest. now i've been playing or trying to without one and i noticed my wrist vibrato feels more forced.
This was so helpful! But my violin an all of me is still shaking a little while I do that… hoe can I avoid doing that beachside it looks and feels and is wrong 😂
I can do vibrato with my left hand, but I cant play with the bow on my right hand at the same time. My bow does the vibrato motion and my left hand doesn't anything it's not supposed to. Like rub head pat belly, or vice versa. Im hopeless lol
I took a master class from an international concert cellist. He told us that vibrato (on the cello) comes from the forearm. So vibrato is not the same on all string instruments.
Violin shaking is a very common situation. You can try to improve the flexibility and strength of your fingers first, and then try to relax, because if you don’t relax enough, the violin will shake a lot, and if your fingers are not strong enough, it will be difficult to relax. The flexibility of your fingers can also help to reduce violin shaking, if you want to know how, try this ruclips.net/video/t8zPgfOEOYY/видео.html
Nothing like having an instrument that can play in just intonation and you ruin the pure tones by playing the music in an indefinite pitch. Vibrato should be used as an ornament, not a technique!
I was told by my infant's violin teacher that I should not learn to play violin along with him because I would intimidate him. Being the kind of mother who wants nothing more than to elevate her children, I complied. I went to every lesson. I knew what was expected, and I did my best to reinforce learning, but there was that day when I remember being so clearly exasperated that I snatched the violin from my child to demonstrate what I wanted from him only to realize I could not show him. It made no difference how many lessons I attended, if one doesn't do the practice work, one can not play the violin. One can not show him. This is what I know for sure. I am 79 years old, and I now am learning to play violin. Thank you for instruction that wasn't available to me back in the day. Thank you!
My mother got a violin and started learning with me and my brother from the start. One of the best things she could’ve done to help us practice!
I can’t imagine a formative teacher telling a parent not to learn along with their child
@@MurphyMusicAcademy that’s the new lack of common sense so prevalent in today’s world
Your video is helpful but for me if you turned around so you show where your finger tip is contacting the string and how your finger tip is moving on the string it would make this vibrato far easier to figure out and what what needs to be done. to achieve it. Thanks
@@terrychapelas541 Machen Sie mit dem 2. Finger ein Glissando in hohe Lagen und wischen Sie hin und her ( wie sanft Staub wischen, an Flageolett denken und die Saite nicht verlassen) dann haben Sie die richtige Stellung und Richtung.
Das Endgelenk muss beweglich sein.
@@AnRo68TI don't think he/she speaks German...
7:12 "Which we, of course, practice more than the third finger" -- I felt that.
This video was extremely helpful, I'm 72 and I've been playing for 2.5 years. I can play loads of nice tunes which would sound so much sweeter with vibrato. I'm not giving up, I'll definitely be trying your technique. Thank you so much.😊
Cudos to you! My father is at your age and started play too during the pandemic 😊
@@pqsnet I hope he is doing better than me. Us oldies must stick together ❤️
I realized today that I had watched all of your videos, and here you have a new one.
Just in time, then!
Mans had the biggest glow up in 3 years I've ever seen in my damn life. Congrats king 👑🐐
I like the guys who demonstrate more than explaining. You are definitively one of them. It is defeating that some videos talk theories during 30 minutes without showing a single entire vibrato phrase.
Years of tension and frustration washed away. Thank-you!
Lol, today I decided to pick up the violin after a long break and here you are, thanks Maestro!
holy smokes! Your "knock" technique made an immediate difference for me. It feels like it will take some time to build this into a habit, but I had all but given up hope and this seems to have cracked it. Much thanks!
I love the breakdown!
I’ve seen multiple videos where people instruct the same process. During vibrato, I see the arm shake but when they teach it, they focus on movement in the phalanges, others use wrist vibrato. This left me perplexed as to how the arm moves and an instructor replied it’ll move the faster I move my phalanges.
I see here that is not the case. I am excited to try this and improve my vibrato. Thank you for sharing your knowledge 🤓
Exactly the same! I have been watching dozens after dozens of videos and everyone is showing phalanges exercises and such but when I see them actually do vibrato they are mainly doing this arm shake!
The way you explain is so simple yet the amount of point given and earn is alot. You are an amazing teacher, thank you.
Wowwwww. The way I was taught as a child has had a negative impact on me through adulthood and after watching your video it fixed every frustration I ever had with my vibrato technique. This is so clear and it feels natural. I cannot thank you enough!
My teacher i said to teach me the vibrato but he said it's is to earlier to me 😭 but i practice violin since 2 years so thanks for your help 😊
I'm 58 yrs old and have just one violin class. Your vibrato methodology sounds great. Lemme try and see how I cope up with it. Thank you..... Great stuff.
You sir are a genius. I have been trying to get good at vibrato (Cello). But no matter what, I could not maintain a nice rhythm. I would always come up with a very fast vibrato. This knock knock technique I just tried today and it worked so wonderfully. Thank you very much, very grateful to you.
This explanation is a remarkable teaching for me since I have always had a problem with employing the arm technique. You have made it more understandable and attainable for me. Thanks a zillion.
Thank you sir! You’ll have to let me know how it works for you
I can’t believe that at the end of the video I could more or less do it. 😮 THANK YOUU
Great lesson! Love the T shirt! 😂 ❤
Thank you so much for this!❤❤❤ The knocking technique really helped me. I can now do a basic vibrato, something I was struggling with for a long time.
ehehehe *I still can't*
I love this Murphy's lesson videos!
👍Thanks so much for these videos!
You are truly a magical educator..👨🏻
Thank you man, I always tried to imitate the vibrato from videos but this is the one that I undertood the most (srry 4 bad english, not my first language)
Ty so much professor Murphy! Amazing video!
I started learning violin at 16, fingering, bowing, and playing in tune wasn't an issue. I had just started learning vibrato when my lessons stopped and I moved away to college. Now 20 some years later, I've tried to teach myself vibrato over the years, but it's still not good. Partly because I wasn't sure I was doing it correctly. I was learning wrist vibrato, but found finger vibrato easier with my first and 2nd finger, but that motion didn't really work with my third finger, so I would then use the wrist vibrato which I have yet to get very even at a faster pace. I will try your method and see how it goes.
this is really cool, the way you made a metaphor with knocking a door is really really help, thank you so much!
*sorry for bad english
Thxs very helpful..
yeah, so far of violin youtubers this channel teaches effectivily, i learn how to bow hold in this channel subscribe to this channel, good channel 👍👍
I finally got the knocking motion right, but the problem is that i can't keep my finger on the string or in place. Does time fix this or i should do something about it?
Same here😅
"*clears throat* *thumpthump*. Father and Mother, forgive me for causing you inconvenience in the corridors of your chamber at such a late hour, but I am thirsty"
I just started for learning vibrato, hope me do well soon ❤❤
Dude I was doing a search for a one handed soldering gun and your video popped up lol. Now im going to watch them all!!!HAHAHA, (this is Paulo btw)
I wondered who else had that name, haha. Weird suggested video, but glad you enjoyed it😁
Best vibrato vid on the internet
This was so helpful! tysm :)
Fantabulous thx!!!!!!
I think this 07:43 why older people have harder time to learn vibrato is... One, they have played different for years. Two, tightness limitations... For me, i am quite tight in my forearm and hand limiting me turning it outwards. I had this already as a child for some reason. So i would greatly appreciate if you had some tip on how to adress this because i think this is my main reason for not being able to relax and to a vibrato.
Good content! Thanks much
Thanks😊 ❤
What a godsend!
I am learning Violine for almost a year now. Finally..... Finally I start with vibrato.. My teacher showed me both 'knocking' motions.. Just like you did.. I will grind through.. Just with the double stops. If it does not work she also has other ideas as well. So we will see
I haven't had a violin in a while, as my last one got stolen; but I watch videos like this because I have it in the back of my mind that I might want to buy a new one and pick it up again. I was only maybe a year into it at the time, with my main focus always being on guitar and other fretted instruments.
I remember my problem with vibrato, though, being that I shake the violin too much, which scratches up my tone. Watching this video, I think it's because I need to be doing inline vibratos. As a guitarist of nearly 30 years my natural inclination is to shake the string for a good vibrato, but that shook the violin too much; which made my bow jump around and give me a terrible sound.
I think I need to be doing my vibratos as I would on the high E or in the higher register on guitar; in line with the plane of the neck instead of shaking the string perpendicular to it.
I never thought about that and figured maybe I was just holding the violin wrong or not putting enough pressure down with my chin to keep it stable. lol
I'm a guitar teacher who's struggling to learn violin, and I realised that we have a tough time with vibrato because guitar vibrato is quite different to violin. Classical guitar and electric guitar vibrato techniques are quite different - but neither uses the flexing of the finger tip joint that is essential in violin vibrato.
I play without a shoulder rest supporting the violin with base of index finger and thumb. Do I have to change the way I support the violin during vibrato? Thank you
I play carnatic classic music but i want to improve my bowing and while playing several notes in faster pace I want clarity in sound can i take 8:41 lessons in Western Music and gain?
Its hard to tell from the camera angle, is the knuckle being flattened to produce the vibrato or just the finger moving on the string? it seems like the finger moving, but in the last example of the adult method it looks like the knuckle being flattened.
For the life of me, I can't knock and play my bow at the same time its soooo hard. But thank you so much.
It keeps falling, I can't do the motion without the violin slipping.
Hello Teacher
Em rất thích cách kéo không cần Shoulder rest
nhưng Khi em tập violin không cần Shoulder rest thì vai bên trái bij gồng sức và đau
Khi làm Vidrato thì cây đàn bị lắc lư niên sánh ra nhiều vấn đề về kéo và tiếng ạ
Whe weight of the violin should rest on the hand? Shouldn't the violin be held with the chin?
Are you able to share the make and model of you chin rest please?
Which chin rest are you using?
What if my hands are too small to do it correctly?
Not possible, unless you're using a violin that's too big for you. There are small children who play at an advanced level and use vibrato.
Hi, a question on vibrato without a shoulder rest.
I have been playing violin for over 10 years now and vibrato is the one thing that I am unable to grasp. I was taught it poorly with my first teacher and am suffering as a result.
I've recently been restructuring quite a bit of my left hand technique (practicing 5ths and many different scales) and I am also trying to learn to play without a shoulder rest (I have a very long neck and this has caused me some problems). What I don't understand is how to execute the vibrato while holding the weight of the violin in my left hand. I feel as though I need to support the instrument with the first joint of my first finger but this contact stops me from being able to execute the vibrato action cleanly. I am trying very hard to create space between that joint and the instrument but my fingers often end up at the wrong angle as a result and I know it's not correct because I can feel the strain all down my arm and cannot practice it for very long at all. For the record, I am learning a wrist vibrato. I also have no problem playing scales without a shoulder rest which is normally what people find difficult when making the switch (or so I'm told).
I hope someone might be able to help.
Ive been playing guitar for decades picked up a violin at a thrift shop not long ago, i feel like im trying to learn to walk with simple vibrato, its tough!
It looks easy, and I have decent vibrato on guitar, but my hands just don’t move that way when holding a tiny instrument to my chin, my wrist just doesn’t want to move in that direction… it comes down to muscle memory and flexibility. Children don’t have well developed versions of either. You need not front to back but side to side movement, adults have built rigidity for stability in lifting heavy objects in this regard and that motion isn’t needed for anything else…
Violin vibrato is completely different from guitar vibrato anyway - it's not the same motion
at first i was just really confused about the hand motion but now i can control it lol😂
also move your finger joint
how interesting, ive been using wrist vibrato my whole life with a shoulder rest. now i've been playing or trying to without one and i noticed my wrist vibrato feels more forced.
This was so helpful! But my violin an all of me is still shaking a little while I do that… hoe can I avoid doing that beachside it looks and feels and is wrong 😂
I can do vibrato with my left hand, but I cant play with the bow on my right hand at the same time. My bow does the vibrato motion and my left hand doesn't anything it's not supposed to. Like rub head pat belly, or vice versa. Im hopeless lol
So you're teaching arm vibrato here but your demo at the start looked more like wrist?
Seems vibrato on violin moves left to right but I'm a guitarist n self taught on violin n I go up n down string bending ..not left to right is it bad?
Yes, the mechanics are completely different
First 🎻
dang it
@@technicmachine 🥈🏆
2nd still good. 😊
I took a master class from an international concert cellist. He told us that vibrato (on the cello) comes from the forearm. So vibrato is not the same on all string instruments.
No, it most certainly is not the same
RE-SPECT. thanks... one more time.
I think the knocking motion is bad for the finger joints
😃😃😃😃😃
It shakes the violin from under my chin
Violin shaking is a very common situation. You can try to improve the flexibility and strength of your fingers first, and then try to relax, because if you don’t relax enough, the violin will shake a lot, and if your fingers are not strong enough, it will be difficult to relax. The flexibility of your fingers can also help to reduce violin shaking, if you want to know how, try this ruclips.net/video/t8zPgfOEOYY/видео.html
I just started playing the violin so I'm really intrested with playing the violin 🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻❤❤❤❤🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻🎻
I find my first finger touches the neck and shakes the violin.
Im sorry and I know this is completely off topic but has anyone ever told you you look like goose and rooster from Top Gun?
Don't knock it 'til you try it!
In fact, knock it WHEN you try it 😉
@@MurphyMusicAcademy Exactly! lol!
Nothing like having an instrument that can play in just intonation and you ruin the pure tones by playing the music in an indefinite pitch. Vibrato should be used as an ornament, not a technique!
longest video and the longest hair
Im sorry and I know this is completely off topic but has anyone ever told you you look like goose and rooster from Top Gun?
Yes, actually. . .
that and Tom Holland, for some reason
Im sorry and I know this is completely off topic but has anyone ever told you you look like goose and rooster from Top Gun?