The full interview definitely allows Michael more context than the first video put out with short clips of everybody answering hardball questions. Michael Heiss is the man!
@@TurntBucket i'm distinguishing between hardball and gotcha. gotcha questions are questions where the interviewer thinks they know the answer will be controversial or trap to one answering into saying something controversial. hardball just means you are trying to get to the truth on important issues unlike softball where they ask the president what is favorite flavor of ice cream is.
@@ModeratelyAmused I think you missed it. The questions gave him the opportunity to respond to critics and explain WHY what some see as controversial--removing language about bigotry, for example, or abortion--actually go to principle. That there's a reason you don't let your party be pulled either Left or Right by those who would exclude libertarians for "wrong-thought." And he gives the exact right answer--it's not about dictating thought, it's about disavowing the use of force against others WHATEVER the thought behind it is. I'd be interested to see how you'd give him the same opportunity WITHOUT going softball. I think Gillespie walks a fine line here and does it reasonably well.
I was a dues paying member of the LP during the Harry Browne years. The LP took a giant shit after that and I left the party never to return. Michael Heise is absolutely correct - The LP and Reason as well missed a huge opportunity to come out swinging against Covid mandates and that's why I completely and totally support the Mises Caucus. Hell, I might even join the party again. and I don't appreciate the attempt to tie the Mises caucus to white nationalists or right wingers - everyone knows that bullshit. That's like tying Reason to Antifa and BLM. do better Reason.
See? Admittedly hostile non-libertarians with unverifiable claims of having once been in the party are now cheering from the sidelines, nostalgic for the child molester planks. ☮
I would rather applaud Nick for being so neutral in an interview that deals with a topic that is (I would assume) so close to him. It really shows a great degree of wisdom and professionalism from him. Don't blame him for hard questions. Hard questions are very important for a quality interview.
I joined the Libertarian Party because of the Mises Caucus. I thought the LP was a joke but I am excited by the new movement and happy to have become a part of it this year.
I do enioy that he asks 'devil's advocate' type questions to everyone to get them to elaborate. Even someone he largely agrees with, like people from the mises caucus
I don't mean to be challenging, but what do you mean by "Whatever you have to say about NIck Gillespie..."? Does he have questionable reputation with some people?
@@JunkCult He's too much of a 'lefty' libertarian for some people. Kind of has hippy politics on some subjects. Personally I really like his perspective. I usually hear more conservative libertarians online, its nice to have diversity of thought.
As a long time libertarian, I have never considered membership in the LP. They always seemed inept and dogmatic. Now that it seems more competent people are steering the ship, I am seriously considering joining.
Nothing is as cringe as a Woke Libertarian who wanna force their version of postmodernism upon people. In JRE Gary Johnson said 100 times he is just like Bernie Sanders minus socialism. He had no spine to stand on.
Glad to hear that. I, and many others, share your story. I was a long time libertarian that was embarrassed by the party. I joined last year and was a part of this takeover. This is real. I have met so many good people who are doing good things.
I'd like to see what libertarians could do in office.. Hopefully they get in power and starts immediately dismantling government. But I also think they're naive, and living on a prayer and wishful thinking that liberty will solve all things. The human condition doesn't allow for unadulterated liberty and I believe it will end in catastrophe.
Interviewer seemed to be looking for controversy where there was none. Michael Heise was having none of it. Loved the pushback on the 'election outcomes question' at 12:50 "What's the evidence of that" and "If you couldn't find any sources, that's probably a good indication of what the truth is." Good for him. Punish people for stupid or manipulative questions and they'll be more reluctant to ask stupid or manipulative questions. The gloves are off. We are all paying for our past reluctance to adequately push back. I like what I'm seeing here.
There's a goofy, party boy side to Heise - the guy who puts the tap in the keg. But underneath that he is a straight-up prodigy: an organizational genius and a principled, inspirational leader. Brilliant guy.
Are you sure you want a political party running a news organization? Don't you have enough of that already? Wouldn't you prefer objective reporting instead of propaganda? Or has the seduction of the power MC wielded recently turned you into a party over principal person?
This gives me hope for the LP. Since Johnson won the nomination the party was not even worth wasting any of my time on. Under Jorgensen she started bending to the wokeism so I just tuned her out. (Do like Spike though). Pushing for more of a Ron Paul style is the way to go. More people will come back and get involved with the LP again.
@@jasonbracewell6279 no, I wasn't. I see him ripping on people on Facebook and Twitter but that's about it. Hadn't followed him much other than that. It was only recently that I'd heard about the mises caucus too
@@armor1z Since the LP nominates President and Vice President separately, it's possible for the LP POTUS candidate to have a running mate they dislike. Not saying Jo disliked Spike, however he has publicly stated that attempts to talk to the campaign about messaging and such was ignored.
Compelling journalism. The "bigot" conversation says it all. It is so important. Calling someone a bigot is accusing them of a thought crime. If you don't even want thought freedom....
Calling someone a bigot is only a thought crime if there is a law against being a bigot. Calling someone a bigot and then trying to reform them by pointing out their irrationality is called "freedom of speech," while calling them a bigot and then refusing to work alongside them unless they reform is called "freedom of association."
Being racist is a thought "crime"...being a bigot means you are actually harassing another person for them partaking in activities you disagree with or simply existing...bigotry is not a "thought", it is an action.
@@Pandaemoni Right wing republicans are joining the party in droves because of the free speech platform, failing to recognize that free speech means the ability to say what you want, including that another person is being a bigot
@@smeezball Not according to the people hurling out the accusation. They say it is "an attitude." If they said that it was an action or series of actions, we wouldn't be having this disagreement. But they don't, they are literally thought police.
@@MirzaAhmed89 idk if they are fair. They buy into leftist social narratives that are not born out by statistics. They will go along with false narratives left wing propaganda pushes.
Man that guy took on Nick and called him out for lack of sources, Nick looking slightly flustered and caught off guard. I like Nick G, no hate there, just nice to see a leadership in the L party confident enough to push back without becoming nasty.
I think some of Heise's strengths are that he is confident in what he claims and can back it up, and can detect problems with the claims of others and respond to them by placing the burden of proof precisely where it belongs. While doing both of this he is largely to the point, succinct, and quick. This last point proves that he has actually thought his claims through.
@@genelode they have this convention every year. Its hilariously absurd. Even when gary johnson was polling higher for a lib party member, they spent a couple of hours arguing over whether seatbelts were legal or not.
This is the kind of libertarianism Ive been waiting for for years. Ive always thought of myself as libertarian, but whenever I heard libertarian candidates speak I thought we didn’t really share the same priorities. I finally feel represented by these people.
Spike Cohen's revised plank on race is basically what the Radical Republicans in the 1870s would have said. Shouldn't be controversial at all for libertarians who are pretty much their ideological descendants.
@@CountArtha Like Michael said, it's a virtue signal. Non-Mises position is it's not good enough to just not be racist. You have to be actively anti-racist.
Good point about the cultural differences. The people who think of the joke as a 'rape metaphor' are part of the authoritarian culture that libertarians should be working to overcome, not cater to. Most of the public don't vote because everything that defines the official 'mainstream' is hostile to their worldview, culture, lifestyle, etc. Libertarians need to look at the huge non-voting part of the public who 'just want to be left to live their own lives' and be the party that supports leaving people alone. Jokes like that are a good test, the people who get offended are not ever going to be real allies. That comment the reporter made, about how it's 'inappropriate' for a 'thought leader' to make those kinds of jokes, is designed to define the current 'mainstream' worldview as the official range of 'respectable' views, ie, 'It's acceptable for ordinary people to do or believe X, but if you're in a position of influence it's inappropriate...' because the mainstream wants the public to view X as unacceptable so it can eventually be made illegal outright. They are the same kinds of people who will do things like put their name on the ballot as a candidate for the libertarians but not campaign and later admit they voted Republican or Democrat because they're 'realistic'.
Yes! As an example, my personal beliefs on, say abortion, means nothing to Classical Liberalism. I have no say. The government has no say. I will leave you alone, you leave me alone.
Pro life people believe unborn children have the same right to live as born children. It’s like arguing you should be free to murder your spouse. No one who is pro life is going to leave others alone to kill their children.
@@cawheeler27 hmm. Yes. Sort of. I believe that I am "ProLife"; I do believe that life begins at conception. However, how the United States was set up, the federal government has no say.
It's crazy how many left libertarians have abandoned that thought process and think that they should impose their beliefs on others through the seizing of political power.
I left the Libertarian Party behind when they endorsed and ran Weld as the VP with Gary Johnson. Johnson had ran before, and I was okay with him, but Weld was and is a major gun grabber and there’s no way in hell that I could or would ever vote for someone like him. That year I didn’t vote for a president, just down ballot. Then they ran Jorgensen and she lost me as a nut, I went for Trump in 2020. Hopefully Mises can get the party back on track. BTW, the people that supported Gary Johnson and libertarian ideals sure as hell didn’t support Weld, but it did make for an amusing ticket, “Johnson Weld”. OUCH!
You didn't vote for Weld as a "gun grabber" but you voted for Trump?!? The guy that passed more anti gun legislation than Obama & loves asset forfeiture so much that the value of law enforcement seized property now exceeds that of theft (not counting taxes of course)!!
I was at that convention and voted final ballot for Sharpe to keep Weld off the ticket. I don't think Weld convinced anyone in the room, and I was pretty sure Sharpe would take it, but then Johnson got up on the podium and was practically in tears begging for Weld. That was enough to push some votes over, I guess. Anyway, the point is: Collectives don't act, individuals do. The Libertarian Party didn't nominate Weld, about 50.6% of the individuals at that convention did, each for their individual reasons. If you had been there, you could have helped Weld lose.
I'm not 100% on board with the Mises Caucus agenda, particularly with regards to immigration, but their message is infinitely better than the LP as run by Sarwark. If anything, it's tragic that the party was ever controlled by him. I recall when his letter to denounce nazis went out, Bob Murphy and Tom Woods said something to the effect of: "We've spent our entire careers denouncing collectivism and arguing for individual liberty which is anathema to nazis and we're obviously not racists. We won't sign a letter denouncing nazis because it is ridiculous and insulting to ask us to in light of our body of work." Having been a fan of both for a while, I thought it was incredibly bad taste for Sarwark to do, and I only wish that Woods's quote in this piece was as strong as my memory of his response to Sarwark at the time. LP whiffed badly in the last two elections when they had TERRIBLE R and D's to run against and could have really gotten the liberty message out instead of being the "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" RC cola of political parties. I didn't vote in the last election because of Jorgensen and Cohen's pandering to the left, and the lack of pushback on the covid restrictions. I wish the MC luck and success, and I'm going to go pay dues to the LP to show my support when this comment is done. As a former Reason subscriber for years, I'm disappointed in the way that the takeover of the LP by principled libertarians is portrayed here.
Viewing the "other" as "left" IS collectivism. Jorgensen clearly stated that she doesn't view the Libertarian Party as right or left. She was the true independent thinker.
@@tommyanomaly6193 Is there no difference between the political left and libertarians? Is there no difference between the political right and libertarians? I see distinct differences between both, and my views as a libertarian. If I didn't, I'd consider myself part of the left or the right. If you're saying that libertarians should embrace all views, then you're going to run into a bunch of contradictions. If you're saying proper libertarians should lack the ability to discern the difference, well, I just think you're wrong.
LP needs to get itself on Musk's radar now. Bit inconvenient that he's come out for GOP already but still. He's got the biggest microphone to elevate them.
Abortion has always been a STATE CHOICE only under the 10th amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Outreaching and communicate effectively to others about the non-aggression/voluntary exchange principle and proper role of a federal or local government.
Everything he said, is every reason why I originally fell in love with the LP. Before all the anarcho-leftist faux libertarians came in and ruined it all in the span of a few years. I am seriously considering membership again. Assuming my state/local chapters clean themselves up accordingly.
Dave Smith is currently responding to 'Reason' on his RUclips channel. His last episode of 'Part Of The Problem' was a response to the lies & smears against the Mises Caucus. 'LibertyDad' just did a great video exposing the dishonesty from some of the people creating these absurd lies.
Reason has been distancing itself from core Libertarian principles in favor of some specific ideological claim to a “real libertarianism” that seeks to exclude Classical Liberals and Right-Libertarians. It’s not self-evidence (with all the work they do to make progressive overtures) that Reason is a Libertarian outlet at all any more.
Nice to see some hope for Libertarians. I have often said the Libertarian Party is a glorified book club. My current political views are just Anti-Communist because that is the most important issue now. Six dollar gas and twice the price for food.
"If you couldn't find any sources (for the statement your making) then you probably know what the truth is" Amazing and I'll keep that line in the back pocket
A #LIBERTARIAN is *someone who believes in the principles of liberty.* America and libertarianism are founded on the same ideas. I'm glad to see the energy and action the #MisesCaucus is bringing to the party. I was glad to hear Michael's points about the platform changes being to open up the party for all libertarians, where they may have been points of contention that favored one style of libertarian thought over another. Libertarians of all varieties cannot be successful if we follow the same silly patterns we see in society- cancelling good people because of some small disagreement or mistake. Or withdrawing support, or even become an enemy, because of being offended by this or that person, or organization not being perfect. *We have to put the principles of liberty ahead of politics.* Heck, I'm a voluntaryist who doesn't agree with any form of imposed state or government, but i see that in a world where politicians and their crony friends have real power, we need to have tools and a fight in that arena. Understanding economics, we need to divide our labor and let those with skills and interest in that realm go in and manage it while others with different skills and interest work in the free markets and parallel economies, helping them develop and stabilize with less state interference due to the efforts of those on the inside. When the collapse of the corrupt state happens we'll be much better off having had influence on the inside so it will implode or disintegrate, instead of exploding and causing damage to everything around it. #nonaggressionprinciple
Just joined the Party after the takeover. Love what's going on. Finally a 3rd party that can speak for so many freedom loving Americans. The Ron Paul revolution is making a comeback
The Libertarian party always seemed like Koch bros Republicanism with jus a lil'edge. With the Mises sweep at 45 years old I am thinking of joining a political party for the first time in my life.
Lets see what happens. Dave Smith and Tom Woods certainly have more passion and authencity than Jo Jorgensin. It will still be an uphill battle making it as a 3rd party.
Reason magazine you got to be kidding me. Referencing the splc in a serious tone causes me to wonder if I should take you seriously. The splc is a scam. It's a joke. Why would you ever take anything they say seriously?
Because SPLC is a lefty attack dog that only bites non-lefties. Therefore their talking points are useful to Gillespie when he wants to attack those he thinks are too conservative or just not lefty enough.
@@undercomposition more like how dare Reason quote the SPLC at all. It would be like them saying, "The KKK says such and such...." Just don't give despicable people like the KKK....and the SPLC a platform at all.
@@spitfireap77 there is not gotcha by asking someone a "Your opponents are saying X, what is your response?" When you ask a question like this you get good information.
Reason is panicked because actual libertarians are taking over the LP 😂. These are the people that think Nick Sarwalk is a good libertarian and Ron Paul is a bad one 😂🤣😂
Pro life people view the fetus in the womb as a person. Libertarians believe in protecting people. Where we draw that line is entirely arbitrary & subjective on both sides of the isle. Prolife people simply believe in offering the same protections we give the already born to the unborn. They can definitely be libertarian. There's no contradiction.
Indeed, the right to liberty presupposes the right to life. My right to swing my arms ends where it impacts your face. I think that this goes with one thing said by the interviewee, that we shouldn't just be economically conservative and socially liberal, we should be our own thing.
Great interview Professor G. Great responses Michael H. I'm contemplating getting my LP card, because the part does need more Ron Paul esque energy. If you want big changes you need big risks.... and with the potential for another 24 election of people no one wants in office its a HUGE opportunity to be both a viable third option and introduce people to a way of thinking they may have not been exposed to.
Principle over expediency is what the libertarian party must stand for not membership and not winning elections because compromise is worse than losing
Yep. Collectivism says caucus members must adhere to orders and dictates from caucus leaders. Collectivism says you're not allowed to speak against leadership or their decisions.
LoL there's a internal war going on in the LP and Reason chooses the establishment shills and represents them as infallible. Way to choose the side that lost in a landslide, I hope you guys enjoy your establishment kickbacks. I am a new member of the LP and this Mises takeover is the reason I finally call myself a libertarian instead of an independent.
I like what I see. There seems to be an opening for different camps to join the party. The libertarians need a moderate wing in addition to their fundamentalist wing
I think moderate libertarians ought to stay in the two parties and make them more libertarian. The LP ought to push the Overton window with pure libertarianism.
The State is the only institution on earth that has a monopoly on the initiation of violence. End that (which I’m all for!) and the State ceases to exist.
@@DanielWoike So, there's no chance of the Mises Caucus being hopeful about or making excuses for a non-libertarian politico such as Trump, for example?
13:27 He says they’re committed to running candidates for local offices, but I live in Los Angeles, CA, the very city the new Mises-backed National Party Chair was from and who chaired the LA County LP. There was a jungle primary 10 days ago and there were zero LP candidates on my ballot. Sheriff, Mayor, etc. Not to mention Governor, Senator, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Treasurer, Controller, etc. There were no LP candidates at all, None. The Green Party had more candidates on the ballot. The Peace and Freedom Party had more candidates!
Because your are in California. The majority of people there are not interested in freedom. They use the Top Two primary system to ensure progressives stay in power and when they had a chance to topple Newsome, they balked. That is not on LP activity in your county. That is on LA and CA.
@@hattorihanzo2275 I'm not sure if you read what I said, but the LA County LP Chair just became the National LP chair like 2 weeks ago. We had no candidates running in Los Angeles or statewide. This is what I'm worried about. The LP is a longshot to win in CA, but running candidates is what political parties are supposed to do. Jeff Hewitt who is one of the highest ranking Libertarian Party political office holders won in CA. If nobody runs, nobody can win. This is a bad strategy and I worry that with the new LP chair and her track record in my city and state, the national party will harm LP races nationwide.
I'm a libertarian and I'm not in the party for the reasons he stated. Interesting to see liberty minded people take over. I may join again.
Cool. I was waiting for the anonymous male sockpuppet shills to chime in. Spoiler votes that change laws... are you hearing about those?
I'm very excited about this
Same here, I've been holding out for something like this to energize me and now I'm on board
Do it. Now is the time we need you the most.
You should. I’m going to buy the life time membership when I get my class B CDL
Full context, when appropriate, is what we expect from you, Reason.
Like in this case.
Much better, keep it up.
A libertarian party that doesn’t hold that a woman has a right to choose for herself… 😮
The full interview definitely allows Michael more context than the first video put out with short clips of everybody answering hardball questions. Michael Heiss is the man!
No. The LP is a 50 year old party that will cease to exist in a couple years if not sooner.
I like how every question was a hardball question, not typical. Even then his answers are solid.
they weren't hardball, they were toned downed "gotcha" questions. a lesser prepared person may have reacted differently.
@@ModeratelyAmused call them what you want. They were more attacking questions than his typical interviews
@@TurntBucket i'm distinguishing between hardball and gotcha. gotcha questions are questions where the interviewer thinks they know the answer will be controversial or trap to one answering into saying something controversial. hardball just means you are trying to get to the truth on important issues unlike softball where they ask the president what is favorite flavor of ice cream is.
@@ModeratelyAmused I think you missed it. The questions gave him the opportunity to respond to critics and explain WHY what some see as controversial--removing language about bigotry, for example, or abortion--actually go to principle. That there's a reason you don't let your party be pulled either Left or Right by those who would exclude libertarians for "wrong-thought." And he gives the exact right answer--it's not about dictating thought, it's about disavowing the use of force against others WHATEVER the thought behind it is. I'd be interested to see how you'd give him the same opportunity WITHOUT going softball. I think Gillespie walks a fine line here and does it reasonably well.
Makes for a good interview
I was a dues paying member of the LP during the Harry Browne years. The LP took a giant shit after that and I left the party never to return. Michael Heise is absolutely correct - The LP and Reason as well missed a huge opportunity to come out swinging against Covid mandates and that's why I completely and totally support the Mises Caucus. Hell, I might even join the party again. and I don't appreciate the attempt to tie the Mises caucus to white nationalists or right wingers - everyone knows that bullshit. That's like tying Reason to Antifa and BLM. do better Reason.
See? Admittedly hostile non-libertarians with unverifiable claims of having once been in the party are now cheering from the sidelines, nostalgic for the child molester planks. ☮
Seemed like a great interview to me.
I would rather applaud Nick for being so neutral in an interview that deals with a topic that is (I would assume) so close to him. It really shows a great degree of wisdom and professionalism from him. Don't blame him for hard questions. Hard questions are very important for a quality interview.
@@ivorne542 “Hard questions” are appropriate when they aren’t used to fuel innuendo and bull sh*t.
The astute, articulate and principled Harry Browne is sorely missed.
I joined the Libertarian Party because of the Mises Caucus. I thought the LP was a joke but I am excited by the new movement and happy to have become a part of it this year.
Whatever you have to say about Nick Gillespie, he’s fair in interviews and is willing to talk to a wide variety of people.
I do enioy that he asks 'devil's advocate' type questions to everyone to get them to elaborate. Even someone he largely agrees with, like people from the mises caucus
unlike the president of Clown World in your avatar....
I don't mean to be challenging, but what do you mean by "Whatever you have to say about NIck Gillespie..."? Does he have questionable reputation with some people?
@@JunkCult he loves postmodernism for one thing and made a whole video on it. 🤮
@@JunkCult He's too much of a 'lefty' libertarian for some people. Kind of has hippy politics on some subjects. Personally I really like his perspective. I usually hear more conservative libertarians online, its nice to have diversity of thought.
As a long time libertarian, I have never considered membership in the LP. They always seemed inept and dogmatic. Now that it seems more competent people are steering the ship, I am seriously considering joining.
Likewise, this Mises sweep is a step in the right direction it seems
Nothing is as cringe as a Woke Libertarian who wanna force their version of postmodernism upon people. In JRE Gary Johnson said 100 times he is just like Bernie Sanders minus socialism. He had no spine to stand on.
Glad to hear that. I, and many others, share your story. I was a long time libertarian that was embarrassed by the party. I joined last year and was a part of this takeover. This is real. I have met so many good people who are doing good things.
Ditto.
I'd like to see what libertarians could do in office.. Hopefully they get in power and starts immediately dismantling government. But I also think they're naive, and living on a prayer and wishful thinking that liberty will solve all things. The human condition doesn't allow for unadulterated liberty and I believe it will end in catastrophe.
“We need to roll back the State”
I strait up heard this in Dave's voice.
@@wesleymatthews6356 “Our prison system is flooded with nonviolent offenders.”
@@soundtracktothefuture226, no, it is "floooooooded" with them.
Interviewer seemed to be looking for controversy where there was none. Michael Heise was having none of it. Loved the pushback on the 'election outcomes question' at 12:50 "What's the evidence of that" and "If you couldn't find any sources, that's probably a good indication of what the truth is." Good for him. Punish people for stupid or manipulative questions and they'll be more reluctant to ask stupid or manipulative questions. The gloves are off. We are all paying for our past reluctance to adequately push back. I like what I'm seeing here.
I love the LPMC almost as much as Sarawak loves faking assault allegations
hahahaha
🤣 💯
good job keith
He didn't "love" any such thing. If anything, he did it begrudgingly.
It's time for Libertarians to be Libertarians again. No more being to scared to offend Democrats or falling into identity politics.
Then the LP should have the balls to reject statism outright instead of humming and hawing about the nature of the state.
Neo con confirmed
Being more libertarian will keep disaffected democrats, democrats. And non voters, non voters
There's a goofy, party boy side to Heise - the guy who puts the tap in the keg. But underneath that he is a straight-up prodigy: an organizational genius and a principled, inspirational leader. Brilliant guy.
Finally joined the LP thanks to this take over. :)
Sounds promising, good stuff. First time I've seen this guy, in general, he's saying things that could have come out of my mouth, so happy with that.
Mises Caucus looks dope, would have attended my first LP meeting in my state if it wasn't scheduled for the same day as Graduation
Gotta stop the protests of the LP. Smart move LP.
I love the name it's frickin cool
Mises needs to take over Reason Magazine.
Are you sure you want a political party running a news organization? Don't you have enough of that already? Wouldn't you prefer objective reporting instead of propaganda? Or has the seduction of the power MC wielded recently turned you into a party over principal person?
Said the statist
Stay tuned
@@anonymousAJ Lol so true
@@JunkCult yes, we need our own publications pushing our interpretations of current events and framing through the lens of our ideology.
This gives me hope for the LP. Since Johnson won the nomination the party was not even worth wasting any of my time on. Under Jorgensen she started bending to the wokeism so I just tuned her out. (Do like Spike though). Pushing for more of a Ron Paul style is the way to go. More people will come back and get involved with the LP again.
Not sure if you're aware but sadly, Spike had to basically fork out on his own. The Jorgensen campaign wanted to keep him away fully basically.
@@jasonbracewell6279 no, I wasn't. I see him ripping on people on Facebook and Twitter but that's about it. Hadn't followed him much other than that. It was only recently that I'd heard about the mises caucus too
@@armor1z Since the LP nominates President and Vice President separately, it's possible for the LP POTUS candidate to have a running mate they dislike. Not saying Jo disliked Spike, however he has publicly stated that attempts to talk to the campaign about messaging and such was ignored.
“Since Johnson won the nomination…”
So what did you like about Bob Barr?
@@David-qi1ys I know next to nothing about Bob. I did like Austin Peterson though.
Compelling journalism. The "bigot" conversation says it all. It is so important. Calling someone a bigot is accusing them of a thought crime. If you don't even want thought freedom....
Bigot.....? Algorithm..... we cool 😎
Calling someone a bigot is only a thought crime if there is a law against being a bigot. Calling someone a bigot and then trying to reform them by pointing out their irrationality is called "freedom of speech," while calling them a bigot and then refusing to work alongside them unless they reform is called "freedom of association."
Being racist is a thought "crime"...being a bigot means you are actually harassing another person for them partaking in activities you disagree with or simply existing...bigotry is not a "thought", it is an action.
@@Pandaemoni Right wing republicans are joining the party in droves because of the free speech platform, failing to recognize that free speech means the ability to say what you want, including that another person is being a bigot
@@smeezball Not according to the people hurling out the accusation. They say it is "an attitude." If they said that it was an action or series of actions, we wouldn't be having this disagreement. But they don't, they are literally thought police.
Reason is libertarianism driving the speed limit.
Well said. I was listening to their most recent podcast, and I was astonished at how pro-status quo they are.
😂
They are certainly being fair in their coverage. I don't see anything wrong with driving the speed limit in a time of change.
@@MirzaAhmed89 idk if they are fair. They buy into leftist social narratives that are not born out by statistics. They will go along with false narratives left wing propaganda pushes.
@@MirzaAhmed89 the problem is they always drive the speed limit
Been an independent all my life. Hearing this, I am considering LP.
DO IT!
I rejoined the LP after hearing the Mises Caucas won!
Same
Man that guy took on Nick and called him out for lack of sources, Nick looking slightly flustered and caught off guard. I like Nick G, no hate there, just nice to see a leadership in the L party confident enough to push back without becoming nasty.
I think some of Heise's strengths are that he is confident in what he claims and can back it up, and can detect problems with the claims of others and respond to them by placing the burden of proof precisely where it belongs. While doing both of this he is largely to the point, succinct, and quick. This last point proves that he has actually thought his claims through.
Great coverage of the changing LP. Thanks Nick.
I'd like to see a greater representation of libertarian ideas in politics
You’re more likely to see dolphins take over than see any figure in power care about individual rights
We could use more rand paul Republicans and more gary Johnson dems.
@@coolbeans6148 compromise your way into a cage
we definitely need it, Libertarianism is real democracy and freedom, the west is not even close to being a democracy and free,🥰
Thank you for posting the longer interview.
I think I’ve found my political home. Thank you, Mises Caucus!
Finally a reason to be slightly hopeful of the future
dont be fooled.
@@jboss119 im not and i still dont care for politicans but to me it shows libertarians not being scared of being libertarians
You are going to be so disappointed.
@@genelode they have this convention every year. Its hilariously absurd. Even when gary johnson was polling higher for a lib party member, they spent a couple of hours arguing over whether seatbelts were legal or not.
The national convention is every two years.
This is the kind of libertarianism Ive been waiting for for years. Ive always thought of myself as libertarian, but whenever I heard libertarian candidates speak I thought we didn’t really share the same priorities. I finally feel represented by these people.
Great way of putting it. Reason and especially Nick just come off as liberal most of the time, and I don’t identify with that at all.
He handled these answers very well
Spike Cohen's revised plank on race is basically what the Radical Republicans in the 1870s would have said. Shouldn't be controversial at all for libertarians who are pretty much their ideological descendants.
Spike Cohen wrote it at the request of the Mises Caucus board.
@@RandoManSavage But apparently the non-Mises cohort of the party found it racist to say they're for equal rights regardless of race(!)?
@@CountArtha Like Michael said, it's a virtue signal.
Non-Mises position is it's not good enough to just not be racist. You have to be actively anti-racist.
@@dannyarcher6370 And anti-racism is race-marxism. a.k.a it's just racism..
Good point about the cultural differences. The people who think of the joke as a 'rape metaphor' are part of the authoritarian culture that libertarians should be working to overcome, not cater to.
Most of the public don't vote because everything that defines the official 'mainstream' is hostile to their worldview, culture, lifestyle, etc.
Libertarians need to look at the huge non-voting part of the public who 'just want to be left to live their own lives' and be the party that supports leaving people alone.
Jokes like that are a good test, the people who get offended are not ever going to be real allies. That comment the reporter made, about how it's 'inappropriate' for a 'thought leader' to make those kinds of jokes, is designed to define the current 'mainstream' worldview as the official range of 'respectable' views, ie, 'It's acceptable for ordinary people to do or believe X, but if you're in a position of influence it's inappropriate...' because the mainstream wants the public to view X as unacceptable so it can eventually be made illegal outright.
They are the same kinds of people who will do things like put their name on the ballot as a candidate for the libertarians but not campaign and later admit they voted Republican or Democrat because they're 'realistic'.
Yeah, I don't see why they equate that metaphor to rape. It said nothing even close to that.
Yeah some bias definitely in these questions
Yes! As an example, my personal beliefs on, say abortion, means nothing to Classical Liberalism. I have no say. The government has no say. I will leave you alone, you leave me alone.
The mystics want government guns pointed at pregnant women and doctors, not bearded sockpuppets content with preexisting entrenched medical cartels.
Pro life people believe unborn children have the same right to live as born children. It’s like arguing you should be free to murder your spouse. No one who is pro life is going to leave others alone to kill their children.
@@cawheeler27 hmm. Yes. Sort of. I believe that I am "ProLife"; I do believe that life begins at conception. However, how the United States was set up, the federal government has no say.
It's crazy how many left libertarians have abandoned that thought process and think that they should impose their beliefs on others through the seizing of political power.
I left the Libertarian Party behind when they endorsed and ran Weld as the VP with Gary Johnson. Johnson had ran before, and I was okay with him, but Weld was and is a major gun grabber and there’s no way in hell that I could or would ever vote for someone like him. That year I didn’t vote for a president, just down ballot. Then they ran Jorgensen and she lost me as a nut, I went for Trump in 2020. Hopefully Mises can get the party back on track.
BTW, the people that supported Gary Johnson and libertarian ideals sure as hell didn’t support Weld, but it did make for an amusing ticket, “Johnson Weld”. OUCH!
Yep
I never left the libertarian party but the party sure as hell left me.
So Jeremy Boothead Jr was better? Bye.
You didn't vote for Weld as a "gun grabber" but you voted for Trump?!? The guy that passed more anti gun legislation than Obama & loves asset forfeiture so much that the value of law enforcement seized property now exceeds that of theft (not counting taxes of course)!!
I was at that convention and voted final ballot for Sharpe to keep Weld off the ticket. I don't think Weld convinced anyone in the room, and I was pretty sure Sharpe would take it, but then Johnson got up on the podium and was practically in tears begging for Weld. That was enough to push some votes over, I guess.
Anyway, the point is: Collectives don't act, individuals do. The Libertarian Party didn't nominate Weld, about 50.6% of the individuals at that convention did, each for their individual reasons. If you had been there, you could have helped Weld lose.
I'm not 100% on board with the Mises Caucus agenda, particularly with regards to immigration, but their message is infinitely better than the LP as run by Sarwark. If anything, it's tragic that the party was ever controlled by him. I recall when his letter to denounce nazis went out, Bob Murphy and Tom Woods said something to the effect of: "We've spent our entire careers denouncing collectivism and arguing for individual liberty which is anathema to nazis and we're obviously not racists. We won't sign a letter denouncing nazis because it is ridiculous and insulting to ask us to in light of our body of work." Having been a fan of both for a while, I thought it was incredibly bad taste for Sarwark to do, and I only wish that Woods's quote in this piece was as strong as my memory of his response to Sarwark at the time.
LP whiffed badly in the last two elections when they had TERRIBLE R and D's to run against and could have really gotten the liberty message out instead of being the "socially liberal and fiscally conservative" RC cola of political parties. I didn't vote in the last election because of Jorgensen and Cohen's pandering to the left, and the lack of pushback on the covid restrictions. I wish the MC luck and success, and I'm going to go pay dues to the LP to show my support when this comment is done. As a former Reason subscriber for years, I'm disappointed in the way that the takeover of the LP by principled libertarians is portrayed here.
Isn't it hypocritical when we self-identity and collect as libertarians?
@@Jamesaepp no
Viewing the "other" as "left" IS collectivism. Jorgensen clearly stated that she doesn't view the Libertarian Party as right or left. She was the true independent thinker.
@@tommyanomaly6193 Is there no difference between the political left and libertarians? Is there no difference between the political right and libertarians? I see distinct differences between both, and my views as a libertarian. If I didn't, I'd consider myself part of the left or the right. If you're saying that libertarians should embrace all views, then you're going to run into a bunch of contradictions. If you're saying proper libertarians should lack the ability to discern the difference, well, I just think you're wrong.
@@tommyanomaly6193 ISN'T IT FUNNY how you always come out on the same side, while insisting that you're the unbiased clear thinker.
Kudos to Nick for two non-hit pieces in a row! Thank you!
These weren't hit pieces.
@@MirzaAhmed89 That's what he said. A non-hit piece is the opposite of a hit piece.
The first one was definitely a hit-piece. This one was only like 20% hit-piece. Which for Nick, is worth applauding (I guess).
The first one was definitely a hit piece.
Mises caucus has singlehandedly saved the LP
Let's hope they turn out to be less damaging than the Boothead Anarchist minions that were wrecking it during Jo's campaign.
@@libertariantranslator1929 jo wrecked her own campaign lol tf you talking about
Fucking A!! Keep it up Mises Caucus! Turn that lame party around. Grow it 10X.
I’m gonna join the LP. I’m a product of the RP revolution and have voted LP before, but Nick Sarwark/Bill Weld faction repulsed me from them.
They're gone, and good riddance.
Mises caucus is the reason I joined the libertarian party
Heiss did well here. I’m not even American and I’m energised
The Mises Caucus is awesome! Cannot wait for what's coming next. ^^
Sold! Count me in!
LP needs to get itself on Musk's radar now. Bit inconvenient that he's come out for GOP already but still. He's got the biggest microphone to elevate them.
I don't know the political pendulum is swinging right in some ways
Abortion has always been a STATE CHOICE only under the 10th amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 because of Ron Paul. I’ve never voted for anyone because of Gary Johnson.
Many such cases
the reason/sarwark/Cato era is ending. thank God.
Outreaching and communicate effectively to others about the non-aggression/voluntary exchange principle and proper role of a federal or local government.
Suck it up Reason, Mises is the future of the LP!! 💯🇺🇲😘
Wow, former libertarian here nice to see all the things that distanced me from the party being addressed
I like this Michael Heise guy. I'm considering switching over to LP from GOP from how he's talking.
What a great interview.
Going to pull the trigger on lifetime membership
Don't do it. Make them earn your vote every time
@@anonymousAJ Nah I like the message it sends. I'm obviously supporting this shift
If Dave Smith wins in 2024 Michael Mallice will be his press secretary.
Dave doesn't even have to win, if Dave just runs Malice said he'd be campaign spokesperson.
Sold!
Alright I just joined the LP now. Now a real member
Everything he said, is every reason why I originally fell in love with the LP. Before all the anarcho-leftist faux libertarians came in and ruined it all in the span of a few years. I am seriously considering membership again. Assuming my state/local chapters clean themselves up accordingly.
This guy’s a true believer, like dave smith
Dave Smith may be more famous but if you are going by common standards, I'm pretty sure it's that Dave Smith is like him.
The Mises Caucas takeover was the best thing that ever happened to the LP.
Dave Smith is currently responding to 'Reason' on his RUclips channel. His last episode of 'Part Of The Problem' was a response to the lies & smears against the Mises Caucus. 'LibertyDad' just did a great video exposing the dishonesty from some of the people creating these absurd lies.
What did Reason lie about specifically? Or are you just throwing around accusations cause Cult Leader Dave Smith was upset?
@@middle-brain Maybe you could read better if your eyes weren't full of so many tears.😭
@@Juggatarian oh wow you got me. down bad via unsubstantial middle school responses. plz stop ser
@@middle-brain "...unsubstantial middle school respones." What? Like *you* call Smith a "cult leader?"
Your self awareness is seriously lacking.
@@swayne1441 I haven't listened to his response yet. I don't know if he was talking about the video, or the article they wrote.
When the libertarians took over the libertarian party!
Reason has been distancing itself from core Libertarian principles in favor of some specific ideological claim to a “real libertarianism” that seeks to exclude Classical Liberals and Right-Libertarians. It’s not self-evidence (with all the work they do to make progressive overtures) that Reason is a Libertarian outlet at all any more.
Nice. A party I'm not ashamed to join. I'll be changing my registration right now
Just completed change in my registration
What a great interesting and educational video!
Nice to see some hope for Libertarians. I have often said the Libertarian Party is a glorified book club. My current political views are just Anti-Communist because that is the most important issue now. Six dollar gas and twice the price for food.
"If you couldn't find any sources (for the statement your making) then you probably know what the truth is"
Amazing and I'll keep that line in the back pocket
good interview, like where this is going
A #LIBERTARIAN is *someone who believes in the principles of liberty.*
America and libertarianism are founded on the same ideas.
I'm glad to see the energy and action the #MisesCaucus is bringing to the party. I was glad to hear Michael's points about the platform changes being to open up the party for all libertarians, where they may have been points of contention that favored one style of libertarian thought over another.
Libertarians of all varieties cannot be successful if we follow the same silly patterns we see in society- cancelling good people because of some small disagreement or mistake. Or withdrawing support, or even become an enemy, because of being offended by this or that person, or organization not being perfect.
*We have to put the principles of liberty ahead of politics.*
Heck, I'm a voluntaryist who doesn't agree with any form of imposed state or government, but i see that in a world where politicians and their crony friends have real power, we need to have tools and a fight in that arena. Understanding economics, we need to divide our labor and let those with skills and interest in that realm go in and manage it while others with different skills and interest work in the free markets and parallel economies, helping them develop and stabilize with less state interference due to the efforts of those on the inside. When the collapse of the corrupt state happens we'll be much better off having had influence on the inside so it will implode or disintegrate, instead of exploding and causing damage to everything around it.
#nonaggressionprinciple
Just apply the NAP to government and prohibit it from initiating force and Bob's your uncle.
My friend Michael Heise just killing it… great job bro
Just joined the Party after the takeover. Love what's going on. Finally a 3rd party that can speak for so many freedom loving Americans. The Ron Paul revolution is making a comeback
So many? 1%?
I might actually join the libertarian party.
The Libertarian party always seemed like Koch bros Republicanism with jus a lil'edge. With the Mises sweep at 45 years old I am thinking of joining a political party for the first time in my life.
Lets see what happens. Dave Smith and Tom Woods certainly have more passion and authencity than Jo Jorgensin. It will still be an uphill battle making it as a 3rd party.
Reason magazine you got to be kidding me. Referencing the splc in a serious tone causes me to wonder if I should take you seriously. The splc is a scam. It's a joke. Why would you ever take anything they say seriously?
Because SPLC is a lefty attack dog that only bites non-lefties. Therefore their talking points are useful to Gillespie when he wants to attack those he thinks are too conservative or just not lefty enough.
How dare Reason give this guy an opportunity to defend himself against the SPLC.
@@undercomposition more like how dare Reason quote the SPLC at all. It would be like them saying, "The KKK says such and such...." Just don't give despicable people like the KKK....and the SPLC a platform at all.
@@spitfireap77 there is not gotcha by asking someone a "Your opponents are saying X, what is your response?" When you ask a question like this you get good information.
@@undercomposition 👍
20:14 goddamn michael heise's fist sent echoes throughout the room lmao 😂
Good interview, Nick
Reason is panicked because actual libertarians are taking over the LP 😂. These are the people that think Nick Sarwalk is a good libertarian and Ron Paul is a bad one 😂🤣😂
It's Sarwark.
@@abcw114 No, it's Glowark. *Taps head*
@@abcw114 we both misspelled beta cuck 😂
Pro life people view the fetus in the womb as a person. Libertarians believe in protecting people.
Where we draw that line is entirely arbitrary & subjective on both sides of the isle. Prolife people simply believe in offering the same protections we give the already born to the unborn. They can definitely be libertarian. There's no contradiction.
Indeed, the right to liberty presupposes the right to life. My right to swing my arms ends where it impacts your face. I think that this goes with one thing said by the interviewee, that we shouldn't just be economically conservative and socially liberal, we should be our own thing.
Great interview Professor G. Great responses Michael H. I'm contemplating getting my LP card, because the part does need more Ron Paul esque energy. If you want big changes you need big risks.... and with the potential for another 24 election of people no one wants in office its a HUGE opportunity to be both a viable third option and introduce people to a way of thinking they may have not been exposed to.
I am thinking of becoming a card carrying lp member because of the mises movement.
Damn Michael is sharp as hell.
Great interview.
Yes, "Libertarians" often ask other Libertarians to answer to what the SPLC has said about them. Yep. Libertarians.
This guy is lucid AF.
Principle over expediency is what the libertarian party must stand for not membership and not winning elections because compromise is worse than losing
You're 100% correct. We don't need to win the presidency. We just need to win individuals willing to live together under the banner of freedom.
I like this guy. Infinitely better than Jorgensen.
Love this guy! American icon!
Collectivism vs Individualism.
Marxism vs Americanism
Yep. Collectivism says caucus members must adhere to orders and dictates from caucus leaders. Collectivism says you're not allowed to speak against leadership or their decisions.
LoL there's a internal war going on in the LP and Reason chooses the establishment shills and represents them as infallible.
Way to choose the side that lost in a landslide, I hope you guys enjoy your establishment kickbacks.
I am a new member of the LP and this Mises takeover is the reason I finally call myself a libertarian instead of an independent.
I like what I see. There seems to be an opening for different camps to join the party. The libertarians need a moderate wing in addition to their fundamentalist wing
Check out the Classical Liberal Caucus
The neolib caucus already exists, it's called the Pragmatist Caucus. There are many caucuses.
@@andrewwilmouth4709 The Mises Caucus is comprised of Classical Liberals and anarchists / voluntaryists.
I think moderate libertarians ought to stay in the two parties and make them more libertarian. The LP ought to push the Overton window with pure libertarianism.
The LP needs to focus on one issue, stopping government from initiating force, anything else is a waste of time, energy and money.
Which government?
The problem is that the government does this in many ways, it's not one issue.
@@libertariantranslator1929
All of them.
@@resmarted
Prohibition would cover all the ways.
The State is the only institution on earth that has a monopoly on the initiation of violence. End that (which I’m all for!) and the State ceases to exist.
One thing we have to change in the Libertarian movement is how we dress. Every single outfit was no.
I like this guy. He seems very quick on his feet and well spoken.
This guy's impressive. I wish the best for luch for the Mises Caucasus.
What affiliation does the Mises Caucus have with the Mises Institute?
No official affiliation. We do like the people there though and they have spoke at our events in the past and will in the future.
@@DanielWoike
So, there's no chance of the Mises Caucus being hopeful about or making excuses for a non-libertarian politico such as Trump, for example?
@@jeffersonianideal The Mises Institute would not be the Mises Institute if it supported a political entrepreneur like Trump.
@@jeffersonianideal most of us think that he should be in prison for war crimes just like most of the other living presidents.
@@CANmoPants
Have you listened to Lew Rockwell and some of his lapdogs since Trump made the decision to run in 2015?
Brilliant! Thank you.
Loved what he said on abortion. How can the LP hold a stance there, members are split 50/50
Because an anti abortion libertarian isn't a libertarian, they're conservatives.
@@tommyanomaly6193 LOL did you even watch the whole video?
13:27 He says they’re committed to running candidates for local offices, but I live in Los Angeles, CA, the very city the new Mises-backed National Party Chair was from and who chaired the LA County LP. There was a jungle primary 10 days ago and there were zero LP candidates on my ballot. Sheriff, Mayor, etc. Not to mention Governor, Senator, Attorney General, Secretary of State, Treasurer, Controller, etc. There were no LP candidates at all, None. The Green Party had more candidates on the ballot. The Peace and Freedom Party had more candidates!
Because your are in California. The majority of people there are not interested in freedom. They use the Top Two primary system to ensure progressives stay in power and when they had a chance to topple Newsome, they balked. That is not on LP activity in your county. That is on LA and CA.
@@hattorihanzo2275 I'm not sure if you read what I said, but the LA County LP Chair just became the National LP chair like 2 weeks ago. We had no candidates running in Los Angeles or statewide. This is what I'm worried about. The LP is a longshot to win in CA, but running candidates is what political parties are supposed to do. Jeff Hewitt who is one of the highest ranking Libertarian Party political office holders won in CA. If nobody runs, nobody can win. This is a bad strategy and I worry that with the new LP chair and her track record in my city and state, the national party will harm LP races nationwide.
I think you’re right. May I suggest you call the organizer in your county/ state and find out what the reasoning was behind no candidate?
Liberty except for the most vulnerable of humans. Right to life, liberty, and property... as long as your mother deems you worthy of life.
You're not a human until you take your first breath.
@@iamchillydogg You're not human. Buh, bye.
Great interview. I'm actually excited about the LP for a change.