The REAL REASONS why Elon Musk fired the TESLA Supercharger Team
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Elon recently shocked the industry by firing the entire supercharger team of around 500 employees in what seems so be a spur of the moment decision. But, why did Elon do this and what does this mean for the future of Tesla’s supercharger network?
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“You can always hire people back”…not if they have found another place where there isn’t a 50 to 80-hour work week, and you don’t get fired at the drop of a hat or by a regular “cull the herd” schedule.
Staying in the office for long periods does not necessarily mean you are more productive. You make bad decisions and tend to solve things like always. Inspiration and genius ideas often come away from work - like the day after in the shower or on the way to work. I would have just worked further along a tangent if I had stayed longer.
Both regarding people count and work hours - sometimes less is more.
The people who are willing to be hired back are not going to be the best people. You will be towards the bottom of the barrel for motivation and productivity.
The best people will just move on and never have anything to do with Tesla or Elon Musk again.
While It was not Tesla... You could offer $1 million/year salary and I would not go back to a certain company.
Hired back after getting fired doesn't seem to feel that good
It is not, I would spend all day looking for another job that did not depend in the whims of a sociopath.
Unless the person demanded 3 times pay :)
'Tesla can always hire back' . . . Anyone you get to come back is never going invest themselves in the company again.
Elon is always right because he's a genius not you.
@@davidsoom1551 lol
Tesla isn't a job like yours. It's a mission-driven company - you're not there for a paycheck.
Money is more important than people just ask Elon.. but I am sure he would have given him all 6 months pay for all the help they have given him and money they have made him (not) 👎👎👎👎
Anyone thinking this way will never be invited back into a company like Tesla. Elon is running a cutting edge company, not a daycare center. Chances are that you are the one contributing to the inefficiency.
Hire and fire is not a sustainable process. It teaches managers to overtire, so they have fat to cut. It teaches employees to always have an eye out for a better job and, for the top people, those jobs show up. There are better ways to keep up efficiency.
Yep. never trust sociopathic people like Elon who do not give a crap about their employees, he treats people with a much concern as a wheel bolt. Every "rehire" should start looking for real job.
I've never worked for a company where inefficiencies were handled by firing the whole department. It is bad management and they should have recognized that the inefficiencies needed to be addressed. Firing and then rehiring is a sign of overreaction and probably happens when someone doesn't have a degree in business and only worries about money. Ahem.
Being vindictive against a performer because you don't like their information is stupid. Making enemies of your most informed employees is also dumb.
How do you get this out of the video? What was "vindictive"?
@@srt8turboawdjeep146 he was mad at the woman who was in charge of the supercharger team, so he fired everyone out of spite, not because every employee was individually underperforming. It seems blatantly vindictive.
@@hotrodandrube9119 If that is what happened then yikes
@@hotrodandrube9119 I suspect Elon asked for technical reasons why the charger installations were not happening and the director didn't have the answers. He is intolerant of management that is not intimately involved and current on the technical issues.
Boeing, on the other hand, is managed by senior executives that don't know anything about the technical issues that affect their products and we can see how well they are doing.
The countdown to bankruptcy is on for the vapourware salesman.
From the viewpoint of the affected employees - If I were suddenly fired and then asked to come back, I would almost definitely not go back.
I would go back, but it wouldn't be to give it my all.
I would consider going back--but not without a hefty raise. Anyone can make a mistake. But there should be a cost associated with mistakenly firing a good employee.
If I got a severance package and then get a sign in bonus when rehired. Then why would I let emotions prevail over making more money. It's business bro Elon's not your grandpa.
@@kazedcat You know he's only rehiring to complete the work he abruptly disrupted, and since it's already announced they are firing 10% of the company, more future layoffs are in store. That's means there's a high likelihood you could get cut a 2nd time once you've trained the remaining people who are earning less & the hole has been plugged. I'd return, to get the extra pay, but unless I received some form of security I'd also have my resume & feelers out to work somewhere else and then I'd bolt as soon as I found the right opportunity with no love lost leaving him high & dry at a moment's notice like he did to me & my coworkers. Fair is fair. If it's just business, then expect to also be on the receiving end of that cold brutality.
@@eyesuckle "hefty raise" is not, nor will it ever be your decision.
I worked for a similar company for 12 years that did the same crap.The remaining employees were so scared that quality control was a thing of the past.They after 3 more years went out of business.If the employees have no security in there job you will have no loyalty.
If there's no business then there's no jobs. Security thru responsibility.
dont worry they will give Elon $50B and he will save the world!!!
Similar company? Which one?
@@lurin971any US based
But on the other hand, if employees have too much security in their jobs, they become lazy, complacent and uncreative.
I watched the balance of this video and now I the take back some of my layoff criticism. If Tesla was taking nine months to install a level 2 home charger, something serious is wrong. It took me 2 days to install a level 2 charger after I received it.
100%, but many here are commenting with their emotions, not their minds and how a business needs to be run. Do they write their paychecks? No, they receive their paychecks.
Then why would Tesla rush to hire them back?
@@StinkPickle4000
Well you can solve things like that in two ways, slowly try to figure out whose slowing down everything and doesn't do their job or fire everyone and rehire those who proved that they did their job.
So a problem in one product means all products are bad? Fire everyone! Institutional memory? Who needs that? Employees see each other being treated as modern cannon fodder, and Elon is just welcoming the unions as employees seek to protect themselves from whims like this. Reorgs are good but this isn't one and he is trading an inefficiency for a problem. Not emotional.
Makes little sense unless he has grown tired of cars and is positioning himself to move on (cough: ai ultimatum). I hope my shares he moves sooner before he does more long term damage to shareholder value.
But this is how America works and has forever, pay workers peanuts and they work like monkeys pay them a living wage and treat them better and they will do everything for the company, why do you think American products are seen as inferior even in China. I would rather buy from China than America, they have more knowhow and their quality is improving all the time as others in asia start competing with them.
Nothing says how much you are appreciated as:
“You’re Fired”.
Firing someone would mean the person must have phucked up. Thus did Musk laid off the SC team or fired them all? Since they got severance package, therefore they got laid off.
This hurts me more . . . bs. 🤨🤬
Through Rebecca's charge of the team it grew to an unacceptable size for the results shown. There are other reasons beyond what John has shared. Appreciation of a job and taking advantage of that job are two very different subjects.
Because growth of a company always means firing people, not finding new roles for them. I think if I was fired, I'm giving them the finger if they come back and saying "just kidding, we still need you."
Catch 22 with a side of 69. Do the wrong thing, your fired. Do the right thing, your fired.
I think the quoted schedules are not being properly stated. It is suggested that Tesla takes 6 to 9 months for installation. I imagine that is all inclusive - site selection, negotiation with land owner (ie: parking lot), permitting with electrical utility company, trenching and feeding from the electrical grid, and final installation. My experience in engineering and construction tells me that 6 to 9 months makes sense. Meanwhile, Smart Charge America which quotes 24 days is probably referring only to construction phase into a commercial site (ie: hotels and apartment buildings) that already have adequate electrical services within the building's parkade to tap into and where permitting is not required.
I see charging stations, NONE are using Tesla equipment, at home they ALL use it but not at stations.
So "what is the real reason?" Unless you were there at that moment, all are only speculation.
cant believe i almost listened to 12 mins of praise of musk why did i click on this ?
I wouldn't go back if I was fired like that. I would jump ship to a competitor. That why I voted no Elon's pay package and moving Tesla's corporate base from Delaware to Texas. For the first time, I voted against all of the board's recommendation. If Tesla wants to be lean, cut some of the executives like Kimbal Musk and Robert Murdoch.
Elon's policy of firing and rehiring worked so well at twitter,
Why not do it again?
Yeah, Twitter is with nothing now.
What could possibly go wrong, lol
Cost reductions? I know where they can save 50 billion.
Fire Musk??
Musk is treating his employees badly. Those employees will treat their customers badly. Just take your Tesla in for service to see this principle in action.
Can we criticize them for taking 9 to 14 months to build a charging center? Sometimes it takes that long just to get a building permit. I've seen a planning department take years to issue an approval. The bureaucratic lethargy at the City and County level in some counties is mind boggling.
I'm pretty sure the 9-14mo figure is not counting permitting. Permits/construction tracked by a website - type "supercharge info" in Google to see it (YT will remove this comment if I link it)
That's exactly why Tesla left CA for TX. And Elon will always seek the most efficient path of least resistance.
Pretty sure the 9-14mo doesn't include the permit time though
@@LuKiSCraft Not when a third-party contractor gets the same job done in a month.
@@Pooua The permitting? Or the construction? sorry I'm unsure what your point is TBH. I agree Tesla has been slow with this though.
Why can I only see the thumbs down symbol beneath all YT videos now? Just started today. (I wanted to "like" your video)
What a spin Job. But I guess you have to do that to get people watching this video. I disagree with your assessment. No facts!
No money to pay their salary. 12m14s saved. You're welcome.
Reward for bad work, your fired. Reward for good work, your fired. Reward for meeting the standards, your fired. It's a wonderful system we have ain't it?
This is what happens with a sociopath like Elon Musk.
@@toriless I like most of what he's doing I just can't condone some of his methods.
Wait just a minute, I've been to 2 picnics, a rodeo and a Worlds Fair and I ain't seen nuthin like it!
Your line of argument is seriously flawed, Jon. Because why not fire all Fremont workers, Shanghai workers, Grünheide workers, Austin workers, R&D workers? Then look for the inefficiencies (well obviously a whole departmentment without any workforce will be ineffective and inefficient as well), then hire only those back, that you need. Instead of firing people and whole teams, you can do process analysis to find inefficiencies and then improve from there. Toyota calls different types of inefficiencies "muda, mura, muri" (waste, imbalance, overstrain) and one approach "Genkin butso" (Go to the source / the spring - the root cause - of the problems) in their production system. A whole Supercharger team can never be the root cause of the problems. And in case, the team lead would be identified as the root cause - well, then just replace her.
That makes too much sense.
but they are not run by a sociopath like Elon Musk and have a sane CEO. I will be driving my Toyota long after Tesla is dead.
why not just fire all of the Tesla workers, executives, management, line workers, engineers, designers, etc. course the downside is that you are out business, and need to have some one for you to do the needed work
Cleanerwatt,,,,,i feel sorry for you too, But.....Your fired !
Yes. What a ridiculous effort. I finally unsubscribed.
"You're"
@@OnlyPenguian you're right..... I'm fired too!
There are 145,000-195,000 gas stations in the US. There's only 2,300± supercharger stations. I'm aware that many can charge at home, but MANY can't. EV charging has a LONG way to go. In my area, there isn't a supercharger within a 50 mile radius.
Most people charge their EV at home. This is a fact in that most people drive less than 40 miles per day, while occasionally driving slightly farther regionally near their home on weekends. Multiply 40 miles times 365 days. That's 14,600 miles.
Most people don't take 2,000 mile road trips every year. If they do take a long road trip, it's rare, and not across the entire country.
For destination trips across the country, it's a waste of time, money and wear to spend many days on the road driving.
Take a jet instead and rent a vehicle when you get there. It's faster and gives more time for fun around your destination.
Most Americans work 50 + or - weeks per year.
Even for apartment dwellers in the city, Superchargers work just fine.
Do apartment dwellers ever read, check e-mails, text, surf the web, listen to music, nap or go out to shop at Target or get groceries?
People can do all of those things once or twice per week while charging an EV for 20 or 30 minutes. That's all it takes.
Really, it's not difficult.
Yeah it's not difficult to assume when I say MANY can't charge at home = apartment dwellers. And why call them dwellers? A bit derogatory. Installing a home charger isn't *cheap*. Don't let your upper middle class mindset fool you on that. I rented a Model X, and it was a pain in the ass to charge. To charge effectively and efficiently, I had to plan my routes way outside of convince. You live in a bubble.
Your right there not enough superchargers. But your off on the numbers. Tesla alone owns 2300 sites containing 26,000 superchargers. The rest (Electrify America etc.) own a similar number of sites containing half as many superchargers. Tesla is building larger 12-16 stall sites, while the others are just starting to build 8 stall sites.
In total figure 4000-5000 sites containing 35,000-45,000 superchargers.
We still need many more superchargers. But more orientated towards travel. Some also for apartments, but ultimately that should be solved by level two chargers.
@@k34561 Well I said 2300± supercharger STATIONS(like a gas station) and I'm only including the US, and Califorina has the most. Gas stations total between 900,000 to 1.8 million pumps. They need more stations, maybe not as many as gas stations but enough to make it convenient to drive for everyone. And they're a long way away from this. A lot of people drive 20, 30, 40 miles to work, and then do more after work. I drive 100miles total a day to work, and sometime I drive 150miles if I have other things to take care of. I agree there are more chargers outside of the tesla superchargers but most of those chargers are AWFUL. The nearest charger outside of tesla superchargers for me is 30miles away at a theater and there's only 2 /7.7kw Volta chargers there.
@k34561 Man I just typed an entire essay and sent.. and it's not showing up and I'm not going to type all that shit out again. But I said there are 2,300± Supercharger STATIONS.
Thank you for clearing the air on why the supercharger team were fired. I have worked on development teams and sooner or later you will reach a point where the design works, and you are basically just adding updates. What seems to have happened with the supercharger team is they realised they had hit an end point so created layers of bureaucracy to protect their jobs. I dare say Elon saw through all the BS and realised the only way to fix this problem was to scrap the team and rebuild it from those staff that held relevance going forwards.
and what proof do you have that they had set up so much bureaucracy to just keep their jobs. dont think that they have hit the end of development. since every state, county, city have different requirements, rules and regulations for how the EV stations get built never mind the local environment because the geography is different in almost all of them. and the rules are always changing almost yearly if not more often.
Dear Cleanerwatt, it shows that you have never run a large biz and do not see the importance of how to wire and keep only the best.
‘Wire’ probably must be ‘hire’
If I understand you correctly, you are saying that 100% of Tesla’s charging staff was ‘not the best’.
If so, Musk should probably also fire 100% of his HR staff responsible for hiring those charging staff, wouldn’t you agree?
Yep, Elon is a lazy sociopath.
Elon 👎👎👎👎 it's all about the money people
No one is "owed" a job. It is a function of supply, demand and efficiency. We all applaud reasonably priced and high quality goods and services but sometimes whine at the manner in which they are provided. We are all cutting corners in this economy. That includes businesses.
Not me, I am smarter and know how to live.
Big companies do this all the time. Nothing new. Never think a company has your best interest in mind, your job is just business, and you should treat your boss, co workers, and the company as such.
Yep, throughout my career, retired now, I never had any loyalty to a company. I worked most of my career in Silicon Valley and your position is only good as long as someone you don't know decides it is. I have gone to lunch and come back to the police on the roof and parking lots and a company was essentially let go. No warning and no severance package. They even announced that they didn't have a layoff rather they got rid of dead wood. Those of us that were let go filed a class action suit for defamation and wrongful termination.The company quickly announced a retraction. This was all because the CEO and Dir. of Hardware Eng were developing a piece of hardware and were putting together another company to take that development to a full product all on the parent companies dollar. None of those let go had anything to do with what was going on. That taught me a lot.
Went through several other layoffs and restructurings. I learned to watch real close and quit before they happened. I didn't want to be looking for a job competing with others that had been laid off. If I quit first there was less competition. Companies only care about you as they want you. Never assume you are special or indispensable.
The problem big companies have is the choices of who to let go are made by people who have arrived at their position through the Peter Principle (i.e. promoted past their level of ability). They cut those who threaten them (i.e .the useful people) rather than the avoiders (i.e. dead wood).
Yet they will cry if you do not show absolute loyalty and give up your precious free time for the company, but ask for an increase or better working conditions and they fire you. I worked for a hotel they fired three staff and expected me to do their jobs with no increase at all in fact asking me to work longer hours to make up for not hiring replacements as they believed i could do the work of 4 people. So i did for a month then one day after asking yet again about an increase and being rejected i turned around and told them i quit with immediate effect , they threatened me but what are they going to do take me to court where i explain they fired 3 people and expected me to do those jobs with no increase or compensation other than a regular hourly rate even doing 4 hours overtime every day. They recovered eventually but had serious problems with other staff, put under pressure, quitting, they ended up not only hiring someone to fill my place but 4 others as the new person would take months to find out all the ways not to fuck up. Managers and to work double shifts and i visited and laughed when my senior manager that i barely saw before, behind reception, he glared at me as i turned and walked out after putting a security device that i had accidentally taken home on the counter and walked out.
The managers keep their buddies and fire their competitors.
You just made up a whole lot of bs based solely on your love of elons taint.
The time it takes to install chargers is one thing but they were still a strong profit center for the company. Why would the supercharger waste their time on piddly level 2 chargers when they were and still are expanding out the network?
please do not cite electrek you loose credibility
Other entities are building out the national charging network, correct. The Tesla standard is now "the standard" correct? For Tesla to continue to build out a network that "any company" can do is redundant, right? I think this is why Tesla halted their effort? I need to bounce...did not finish video.
yea other have in theory been doing so and some OEMs have joined the game too. i dont think they halted it because other can do it (so far there stations that work and ones that dont. some i suspect may just be a PR game for some thing that company did. and some are some are just so cheap in that there networks cant be depended on much. course some of it might not learning from gas stations, long ago their pumps were open to the environment, but when they added pay at the pump, discovered that the card readers on pumps do not do well in the open. seems one of the OEMs learned that added the awnings over the chargers. i guess we will see if those awnings improve reliability
Elon being overly data-driven often forgets about the human aspect of hiring/firing process. If I was fired en mass and then asked to come back - I would tell Elon to pound sand or simply ask for a lot more money. I'd rather work for someone that values my contributions. I also don't trust people that rashly fire entire segments over a minor disagreement or pushing back. This breeds a culture of "yes men" that only tell you want you want to hear. We already have too much of this in corporate America.
Yep, he is a sociopath.
I know for a fact that if you fire a large team of people that you can almost never hire all of them back. For many people, being fired burns a bridge that can be expensive if not impossible to rebuild.
Also with a large team of people, there will be people that have recently rebuffed recruitment efforts. If it looks like that person might have someone else on the line and their previous employer comes back begging, that former employee will put them off until they've explored the other opportunity. And if you are offered a position with competitive pay, how many former employees would consider returning to what they probably now view as a hostile work environment?
I would go back (b/c he blindsided me & put me in a precarious financial circumstance) while secretly applying and putting out my resume for a better position at a different company. As soon as I had a good opportunity, I would bolt and leave him high & dry the same way he treated me.
@@RT-mv7df- Fair point. Either way attempting to rehire people you just unceremoniously fired usually doesn't work out.
This cost cutting is interesting considering Elon was angered his $56 Billion dollar compensation package was turned down. Ironic.
It wasn't a monetary (cash) compensation and it was his only "salary" in the company for the last 5(?) years. Also the court decision was to award some unrelated law firm with *6 billion* dollars of Tesla money as "legal fee".
If you say anything else bad against Elon you'll have to answer to me, low testosterone soy boy.
I feel bad for the people who lost their jobs and I feel bad for the people who are still working for him today as their work load just increased tremendously, with fear of being "an inefficiency".
The employers demand loyalty, but they’re rarely loyal to their employees. The employees are usually just the tools in hands of their employers.
I wonder if the former head of the charger team was pushing a DEI agenda. Hmmm.
Baseless speculation is fun.
Wow! a 24 day process is taking 9 to 14 months?! I would have fired the whole team too. Sorry, R. T. You were not getting the job done.
It should take 2 or 3 days like with a home charger.
@@toriless It's not as simple as a home charger. Those super-chargers require some serious hydro to work. Then there's the matter of building permits. But I would think that a competent team would learn the bylaws and know exactly how to get it done. That is their job.
Needed to lay off just one more person
And who would that be?
@@tommornini2470 Duh!
@@davidsoom1551 The best CEO of all time? 🤷♂️
I've put in 4 requests to host, never heard a word back. Hope this change is for the better.😊
You are spot on! One of clients is working to get Tesla chargers at their retail stores and most of their contacts at Tesla were gone. After speaking with some of the remaining contacts, they stated exactly what you stated. They mentioned that Elon did this at Space X in the past.
well, Twitter is a great example of how bad of a decision it is to have done the firing of the super charger team. Elon package VOTE NO!!!! And hiring back disgruntled hurt employees 😅 4D chess yea right....
Twitter fired 80% of its staff and works exactly the same as it did before. How was it a bad decision? And why do you think the employees are disgruntled and hurt? Some will be for sure but the ones invited back seem to have jumped at the chance so they aren't THAT upset. On the other hand you want Tesla to steal the pay package from the person that made it successful so perhaps I shouldn't be listening to you.
Phillip.
Tesla's NACS webpage explicitly states: "Coming Spring 2024: General Motors, Volvo, Polestar." Who wants to tell E'loon that today is Summer Solstice? Ooooops.
I'm glad that we have a "Kündigungsfrist" in germany ;). I'm at Senior level in my company and if they want to fire me they have to tell me 4 months in advance. They could kick me out without that but they would have to pay me for 4 more months. It's ok to fire staff but the way elon does it is just insane. I'm saying this as a fan of Elon, Tesla, SpaceX, Neuralink and as someone who already bought several Teslas. The way he does it is just wrong. In this massive growth plan of Tesla there should never be such a extreme need to fire people in such a scale. He's also not doing good PR for Tesla with this... everyone knows that a job at Tesla is far from safe.
Unfortunately this is the way tech companies behave. Entire departments get fired via an email far too often these days, this combined with pitiful retirement packages makes future planning for workers difficult for sure.
Do you know if there was a compensation package after the layoffs?
@@majorsten 2 full months of pay with full cobra benefits was shared publicly for all the cut folks from tesla.
6 months in the US, and it's backed by the Gov, so if a company goes under, people still get paid. Tesla is big and not going under so they have to pay for the unemployment they create. They also gave a 2 month full pay and benifits severance bonus I believe.
In some states benefits are compounded by food aid cash and other services available to the unemployed.
This is why Tesla is dismantling the German auto industry.
Well, maybe this makes sense. Maybe.
If streamlined efficiency is crucial for success and growth (which often it is), then company culture needs to pursue those fundamentals every day.
Within Tesla, is this what happens? Or ... is it only Elon going on a periodic tear to wipe clean whole units?
To build serious commitment to crucial fundamentals (lean, streamlined efficiency), you've got to be working on it every day.
Sounds like Elon doesn't understand that part. If you want it that way, then work it. Work it.
Periodic purges means you haven't been working it. This is an indictment of your organizational building style. See it. Fix that part.
Example of the Musk decision. I live in Adelaide (1,3M population). Tesla sales are skyrocketing last 2 years.
So we have one (1) SC side with 4 V3 stacks. Most of the time busy. Just this week two additional sides should have been built, but they were scrapped because of Elon's chaos.
Most of the Tesla owners in South Australia are extremely disappointed.
Yehhh, i've seen this 1 b4. Everee inteligent optional extra. All except 4 1 television network. Le Water splitting sparkplugg Hydrogen network.
I bought my Model Y one year ago. While reviewing EVs from different a manufacturers, the Tesla was #3 on my list. I didn’t like the design of the Model Y and didn’t like the interface relying on the center screen for practically everything. I could care less about full self driving. I bought the car SOLELY because of the SuperCharger network. Slowing SuperCharger Installations was a gut punch since I really anticipated a rapidly expanding network based on what Musk had said previously. I now know to never trust what Elon says but instead watch what he does. I’m now convinced the EVs have become less a priority tor Tesla and their focus is on AI and Robotaxi, neither of which I care about. I’ll be in the market for a second EV in a year or two since my wife’s car is getting old with more frequent repairs - and my next EV purchase will definitely NOT be a Tesla. Just too much drama and uncertainty for me.
So what is actually happening right now is that Tesla is currently hemorrhaging money, and the outlook does not appear favorable:
- Overall Tesla vehicle sales are down
- Other auto makers are now surpassing Tesla in EVs from both a build quality and customer service standpoint
- The cybertruck launch was a disaster
- “full self driving” has been downgraded to “supervised full self driving,” and continues to be the topic of NHTSA safety investigations
- The lineup is getting old, the S and X are overdue for an overhaul
- Alienating your main consumer base by the “founder” going full Joe Rogan
- Stock price plunging double digits
The supercharger team was the one entity at Tesla that was working well. Tesla has by far the best charging experience, and with the licensing of the NACS plug, demand for superchargers should increase significantly in the coming years. Apparently Elon doesn’t want that part of Tesla to work out either. Unless some miracle happens, this company dies within the next five years.
Jon...
I would also suggest that legacy auto "pulling back" 6 months after they said "we're in" MAY have had something to do with it?
Tesla was ramping and the lack of extra customers from other brands meant there would be too many chargers not being utilised, potentially meaning the network would lose money.
Now, enough for existing customers, those under construction completed, V2 chargers upgraded and "gaps" filled will be sufficient, but not overkill.
When ("IF") the other companies grow a pair and return, the ramp can continue.
Although, I would suggest that if they do, Tesla should say "here are the plans ... YOU build chargers"
Give them some skin in the game
Yes! This makes a lot of sense.
"If it was easy, then everyone would do it....". Tesla did the hard thing and then cut out the institutional memory of how it was done. Saying the ramp can "just continue" means all new people that haven't done it before.. and it just won't be the same. History says lowered cost and lowered quality are the result of these kinds of extreme and short term actions.
Might work at SpaceX but definitely wouldn't work at Tesla right now.
I agree. I have 11,000 miles so far this year in 3 over the road trips from Carlsbad CA to bonners ferry idaho and Sacramento to Nashville and a lot of places in-between. From my experience we have network that could easily support 5 times as many cars. I never found a location without at least open chargers many times I was the only car at a 12-24 charger location. There were 3 of us at the 80 stall harris ranch location. The places like Idaho and the flyover states that do not have a lot of chargers do not have very many Tesla.
"Legacy auto"? Have you seen the sales figures for your unwanted flawed technology electric cars that now have no buyers since all the nerds and low testosterone guys bought theirs. Electric cars are for the golf course and grandma to the market. We Taxpayers are tired of supporting a technology that can't support it's self and all the hype in the world won't bring it back. The new legacy auto is the EV!
@davidsoom1551 The present economy has cut into all car sales. Teslas are still selling well in comparison to other cars. My Model Y can drive like a sports car. I have over 13,000 road trip miles charging at supercharges. Every time I get to a charger there is still room for more cars. When I charge at home the car is ready to go by 6 am with the amount of charge I have specified. This is the fastest car I have ever owned. I tipicly do not charge more than 80% of the 330 mile range. I try to get to charges with 5 to 10% of charge becase the bottom part of the battery charges up to 1024 MPH while at 80% the charge rate has dropped to about 200MPH. When charging I disconect shortly after the car predicts I will arive at the next charger with 10% charge remaining. Most charging sessions are in the 20 to 25 minute range and I need some time to walk around about when it is time to charge. Road trips are the weekest use for this car. It works well to be ready to go every moreing at home and not needing to supercharge unless I am going to drive more than 250 miles a day. I never drive more than 250 miles in a day unless I am doing a road trip.
all this could have been said in 1-2minutes!
Typical fanboy hype, lies and exaggerations.
"I'd just like to say, I'm not heartless," you say. You sound pretty heartless to me. You do RUclips. No one can fire you, except your viewers... like me.
1. It is HOW Elon downsized, not the need to downsize, in this case DUMBSIZE. It takes YEARS to make the connections and efficiencies, with thousands of customers expecting to see results, only to not only NOT know what is happening, but be left in the dark. The BEST way to eliminate a team is actually sell it off, and that team was worth hundreds of millions, if not billions! Meanwhile those few to accepted their job back will no longer have loyalty and passion for Tesla. Fundamental rules of business were ignored and a massive wound to Tesla was committed, that NACS momentum for a few days actually stopped in the fog of concussion.
2. This is the Super Charger team, *not* the Destination Charger team, at least I never read they did DC. And remember the firing was because Rebecca pushed back at staff reduction, nothing was mentioned about inefficiencies to DC installation. Mr Barletta's was the first person to even mention a DC connection, but not say they were the same team.
The fact a number of car makers are now reconsidering the NACS switch is proof that this was gargantuan mistake.
Nearly 60K super-chargers in the USA.
Assuming there are nearly 300 million cars in the USA (2020 figures), if all are EVs, that would be 5,000 EVs to one charger.
Crazy.
There will never be 300 million personally owned Ev's in the US. Our population is shrinking and with the advent of robotaxi's even less personally owned EV's will be on roads.
is your home working with electricity ? Crazy POWER 10
@@metriczeppelin They have zero intention of allowing you to own your own transport. EVs are the thin end of the wedge, forcing you into what is basically a remote-controlled computer on wheels which they can control and restrict.
Only 2 million are EV.
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Did you forget what will happen when all private vehicles are EVs?
I'm not sure that anybody (in the right mind or if any option is available) would want to work for Tesla from now on... no matter how good your team is performing, your team may go the very next day for no reason. I'm sorry but no matter how big of an Elon's fanboy you are ... this time he screwed up big time... there's no other way around it. All PR/low-key ad channels (like this one) can do (and were doing for the last few weeks) is damage mitigation. Finding 1000s of vague reasons why it's a good thing in a very very long term (that may and probably will never happen)
If anyone would like a very dramatic image of how Elon runs a company vs the competition....watch a rare ULA launch vs SpaceX and try to count the number of bodies in the control room. After watching a bunch of SpaceX launches I was AMAZED at how many people were sitting at consoles at ULA....doing the same job but much less efficiently. I suspect the entire ULA operation is burdened with far too many workers who aren't contributing while SpaceX is lean and successful.
I worked at a major aerospace company and in our shop of 150 bodies there were actually only 10 or so who you could count on to do good work with most of the rest just overhead and many actually seeming to work against the company being Union types who dragged their feet at every opportunity. I believe managers were paid according to how many people they managed...so cutting staff was the LAST thing they wanted to do and were always arguing for more budget and more people. This is called BLOAT and every profitable company needs to guard against it like the enemy it is.
I fully agree. It's even in his Walter's book stating how this isn't something new and elon's done it before and other CEOs but since he is in the spotlight all the time it's big news. Stating rule of thumb to help areas flourish you need to wipe the Slate clean and then higher 10% back and what she did with Twitter which is now performing at optimal level what's 10%( Elan stating he could even do less). What's saying what happened with Past Times and also Twitter I can see why he would make this move, common sense.
A friend of mine that owns a business of 26 people just did the same thing, and result the product took 2 weeks and 26 people, then had a revelation, fired everyone and brought back five people and now it takes 5 - 7 days for the same exact process.
杀鸡给猴看。 “kill the chicken, let the monkey watch”. Ancient Chinese saying implemented by Elon. How else do you keep control of a corporate situation akin to herding cats in this more and more woke age of issues with HR and ESG?
I said from the start that other OEMs putting their faith in Tesla when adopting NACS was a risky move at best. You might think that plugging into a charger is as easy as plugging in a lamp, but that is far from the case. While communication protocols are published, there is much latitude for interpretation. With all the people who designed the superchargers and software gone, who are the OEMs to turn to? VW held an emergency meeting to discuss delaying or ending their NACS transition. Firing everyone and abandoning planned charging locations was a purely amateur move by a drug addled narcissist who is way out of his depth. I had hoped to gain some other insight from this video but it was just more making excuses for Musk's missteps.
A day after Elon did this, I cancelled my order for an EV (non-Tesla) and bought a combustion engine vehicle. The uncertainty Elon created with his childish temper tantrum only heightened my concerns for the EV infrastructure. I was no longer willing to make the leap to EV.
My only problem was that there was no one assigned to communicate with Telsa’s partners in installing NCS superchargers level 2 or 4.
It is a matter of trust. How can someone trust Tesla to partner with going forward. Going forward it is going to be a higher risk to convince the executive management of your company to partner with Tesla based on Elon’s/Telsa’s actions.
Elon kept those maintenance folks keeping the chargers running with a goal on no downtime.
Also the technology of FSD and the Tesla Bot is fairly impressive so that will help on the licensing of FSD with other OEMs and deploying the Tesla Bot to help in manufacturing. It is just the Elon’s actions in this case at Tesla may hinder or slow future partnerships with OEMs. We shall see.
While it is hard for people fired or laid off (been fired and laid off at previous jobs myself) that is a valid business decision for the health of the business and hopeful will help in Tesla’s future growth. As I said communication about what is going on with current partners is my only criticism of Elon’s and Tesla’s actions.
It doesn't seem like Musk fired the TESLA Supercharger Team because of some master strategy, instead they would appear to have fired them like an impetuous child because he couldn't handle Rebecca Tinucci. Maybe it was she pushed back on losing key employees, maybe it was because she was a women, maybe both.
The Musk fan boys will always do their best to try and make out that everything Musk does is the result of a rational and well thought out plan, but if the firing of the entire Supercharger team was, why then try hiring some back the very next week?
Anyone who can announce the decision to shed 10% of the workforce with the words "There is nothing I hate more", and then demand that the Tesla shareholders approve to pay him $50B has got to have some narcissism going on in there somewhere.
All the comments here are ridiculous. NONE of you, me included, are qualified to carry that man's lunch box, so get over yourselves. Geez.
Looks like a simple pull back in available capital as high interest rates force back expansion. Probably a Board Decision as well. Either way as the US economy which is clearly slowing down now starts to throw up for sale signs everywhere and for everything the value of expanding this side of the Tesla Enterprise will become overwhelmingly apparent as there are simply too much of everthing being produced right now but especially so overwhelmingly so battery electric cars. In order to make that glut "work" means a far more massive effort at building out charging infrastructure in the USA than has been currently done. All eyes on GM in the meantime.
So... how does firing the entire team solve an inefficiency problem... unless Elon is going to subcontract the charger installation work to non-employees working for the likes of the company that can do the job in 24 days for $7000? I'm thinking this is what's going on...
By eliminating and replacing the team that became inefficient.
Just like Twitter -> X
I agree that this is what is going to happen. Outsource. Or sell all or a percentage of Superchargers to PE investors or Blackstone's Infrastructure team to expand and get paid ongoing royalties.
@@tommornini2470 yes, once bureaucratization sets in, it's very hard to change since the old hands get used to either not working or busy working...only one way to clean the Augean stables as Hercules demonstrated
Once bureaucracy sets in, it is really hard to tell who is causing the lazy and toxic work environment. Better to redo the whole team than to rehire the same inefficient managers
@@tommornini2470 - The knowledge of designing high KWH charging stations is a non-trivial Electrical Engineering problem and also involves negotiation with local power companies to provide transformers with adequate KWH to support charging multiple cars without slowing down charging rate for others. At some charging stations with many cars charging, you may need to provide local battery storage with converter/inverter electonics to store energy and provide Supercharging KWH to the charging stations greater than the KWH delivered from local power transformers.
Elmo kills off 10% of his peasants and then bags a $54 billion payout while TSLA stock craps out 40% so far this year. Also since Tesla charging plugs are going to be industry standard Elmo will wait for other car makers to put up their own charging stations.
It just kills me out of 140,000 employees he fires 500 of them that didn’t do what he told them to do. Are you kidding me? Layoff Tesla layoff Elon Musk shut up..
Your company relies on a schenckter valve modulator for the manufacturing process to occur. Bill is the only person in the company with the required skills to maintain and repair the schenckter valve modulator. In panic, Elmer Mush, the CEO decides that in order for the company to be viable he needs to slash costs. Elmer isn’t the best at management, so he decides he can save a lot of money if he doesn’t have to pay the employees in Bill’s department, including Bill. 3 days later the schenkter valve modulator breaks. Frantically, Elmer demands the valve be repaired and production start back up. Unfortunately, Bill is no longer working for Elmer. Elmer, again in a panic, decides he needs to bring back a few of the people in Bill’s department, including Bill. What does Elmer do if Bill doesn’t come back? What does he do if Bill does come back but does so with a changed attitude and no longer sees the value to himself of being a “hardcore” employee for Elmer when Elmer doesn’t reciprocate or reward this mentality?
This man is acting like 6-19 months to install a station. NO that is normal, actually that is good. I know (bc i work in the industry) that sites can sometimes 18 months. Stop making excuses for him and actually realize he messed up.
Elon got a new set of fanboys! Previously Disgruntled Investors.😂. No one agrees to how the entire team was let go, not considering their hardwork, eventhough may be a bit inefficient. Still does not make much sense. Seems it could be a gain for those other inefficient charging netwok providers, they can expand further unchecked, using up free taxpayers money given out by the government.🤔
The number of RUclips EV influencers who keep trying justify Elon Musk being a complete asshole is incredible.
This goes for everyone! No matter how good or how long you've been working for a company, you're just a disposable asset.
I think Elon's anger was triggered by Rebecca Tinucci pushing back against Elon's demands for deeper cuts. She triggered Elon's temper, and the entire team paid the price. I think it was a dumb thing to do. Elon will end up hiring part of the team back under new leadership. The buildout of a robust Supercharger network is critical to Tesla's future.
Assuming there were such severe issues the problem is that it all happened on Elons watch. As the CEO it’s ultimately his responsibility to make sure the company is executing effectively. Letting something slip so badly it has to be torn down and rebuilt from scratch isn’t good. Maybe he should spend more time with Tesla or hand of some responsibilities to someone else. Similar to Gwyn Shotwell at SpaceX.
Robotaxi can not use the superchargers and Tesla has bought a wireless charging company. When the lady, head of charging, refused to fire the required number of employees Elon fired everyone and now is hiring many of them back including that lady.
I would love to heat both sides of this story. Hearing one side from a driveway installer who has nothing but gains to make from Elon (Ketamine) Musk firing a whole team of important individuals (sound familiar Twitter). Of course in Elons defense he does need and deserve 56 Billion. I mean it's not easy holding the world record for most money ever lost. I would also love to be with cleanerwatt the day he realizes he's in a cult. But that's a whole different topic.
Quite a lot of this is rubbish. Keeping a supercharging network ticking over smoothly while expanding it isn't the same as just digging holes in the ground, for which you can hire a person today who will then be up to speed tomorrow. If you abruptly amputate an entire department, you lose all the institutional memory, i.e. an overview of how things are done and how a team works together so everyone knows who does what and who can talk to whom. By laying off an entire team, you'll have to build all that from the ground up again, and that takes months before you're up to the same speed and quality as before, in the mean time things will be slow and more mistakes will be made.
And as for "just hiring back people" it doesn't work like that.They won't necessarily all be available. The best ones will have already found new jobs, and won't come back, whatever the offer, which means you're left with rest, any any sane person who agrees to go back will be doing so with one foot out of the door already, staying just to keep the paychecks coming in until they find another job. Don't treat people like disposable objects if you want them to be engaged and working with you.
TESLA SUPERCHARGER NETWORK! YAAAAAS. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING ELON DOES IS SUPERCHARGED! AMEN! SCALING DOWN HAPPENS...I MEAN LOOK AROUND, LEAN BECOMES CRITICAL! IT TRULY DOES!
This is a rough business, perhaps Elon and Tesla are taking this approach to avoid a host of legal battles. Much easier to gut a division or do a mass exodus layoff rather than deal with the DEI lawsuits of a measured or selective cherry-picking of firings for poor performance or those stuck defending poor performance. It gets especially tricky when those employees have been carrying out the flawed strategy of poor mid and hi level leaders. Also realize that Tesla hired a bunch of folks from other industries and technical/business backgrounds, they gave them an opportunity, and sometimes it does not work and therefore does not end well. OR, maybe ... they chopped the head of the snake and then killed all the eggs to ensure they purged all the potential yes-people in the org chart of a poor performing department, then listened to those they trusted internal to TESLA and external customers as they made a case for why select folks in the department should be brought back, may be a brilliant approach when they look back.
Thank you for the explanation. This decision now makes sense being put into context. Keep up the great reporting and insights.
Makes no sense to me because it's wrong. People are being fired because the EV fad is over and no one is buying them!
Generally employees do what the company asks them to. Efficiencies are determined by the Companies strategy. This was just a Musk tantrum
You have to run power to the chargers, it doesn't matter if its a level 2 or a 3, you need permits and time to dig/trench. The reason they can do it in
Elon doesn't allow anyone to disagree with him? This 500 employee layoff lessened my high opinion of Elon. Actions like this cause me to wonder how Tesla employees can commit to mortgages and car loans. Overnight hundreds of homes must have been put up for sale. Also, this layoff must make it difficult to hire new employees that need to work in the factory.
He fires everyone and rehires a few because the people who come back have no I'll feelings, are loyal to the brand and the company. Most of The people who don't come back probably hate tesla. Good way to quickly rid of the quiet haters - they are toxic employees.
People don't like big decision, but when you look at it from perspective of time, they are many times best way of doing things.
In this case, Elon couldn't know which workers under her are thinking that what she do is good way od doing thing, so better remove all this people, so you don't go back to start after some time.
We must remember, that we have job, because what we do is what company needs, and when company don't need this work, we should end this cooperation. And if you want be social secure, it should never be on company to pay, but country to provide (and not by forcing to hold on people they don't need, because it only making company worst compare to eg China)
Great video as always. People who have their own business will understand this is a tough decision need to be made, business world is never a rainbow fantasy where everything is perfect and great. It’s constantly at war, the competition is crazy especially for global business. Those who left Tesla, I feel bad they lost their job but I wont be worrying for them because Tesla ex employee is highly desirable by other companies, so they will not have problem moving on.
as an owner of Tesla what took you so long do discover this inefficiency Elon. You did a good job firing them. Destination chargers costing what? These are not superchargers no wonder there are so mant TSLA short sellers. Fire them all and set up an interview with them all again with 0% chance of hiring them to waste their money like they did mine. Duty to shareholder is your job.
Low-level BS. From "nothing I hate more but it must be done" to "you’re fired” there is some lightyear distance...
Elon Musk is a born again apostle/prophet of Jesus Christ. He has spell casting/healing talents. By definition is a prodigy.
Spin it any way you want, but this was an extreme bonehead move on the part of Musk. Charging should be a profit making business for Tesla and doing something like this not only destabilizes what's been a very successful operation, but opens up an opportunity for competitors to step in to fill the void and take away the business. Also, this notion that you need to lay off a bunch of people periodically is nonsense. It breads fear and paralyzes people who need to be free to make mistakes as that is the only way you can learn. Other companies have done similar moves and they always are focused on the short term. A well run company will cultivate staff skills and figure out a way of fixing unproductive units and reallocate staff accordingly without destroying the whole thing. This is yet another example of why Musk must leave and let adults run the show at Tesla.
On average, Elon has taken the right decisions, but he very often do stupid and harmfull things. The biggest problem is his lack of selfawareness and inability to take recommendations. Trying to rationalise his decisions is not helpful.
"Tesla can always hire back." Not really. Only the people who can't find work elsewhere will return to Tesla as a fill-in while they're looking for other work. Oh, and any inside knowledge they may have from Tesla will go with them.
This is an excellent and well-reasoned analysis. I think Sandy Munro would generally agree with your analysis. That said, I think firing the whole division was excessively rash and will leave lasting bad feelings with all those who were fired. I would not come back after an event like that. I suspect that all of the truly effective people in that division already have new jobs with other charging companies. Tesla will have to put some money up front to get them back, then will have to work hard to rebuild trust. That is one thing that Tesla does not seem to be good at.
I don't accept your explanation nor your comparison. Permits often take forever to get - regardless of which company applies. Construction once a permit is in hand.. Often in the realm of a few weeks to a few months depending on what you are doing with a supercharger station.
I'm betting for the independent contractor you mention that they are talking only about construction time after they get the permit - while the Tesla Manager was talking about the entire time from concept of the project, filing of the permit application, potential hearings, rework of the permit in certain cases, etc, getting the permit, scheduling construction, and construction.
If Tesla is installing a Level 2 charging station - then Tesla must get the construction permit. I've seen cases where as a homeowner doing work I got a construction permit in less than a hour - where a contractor has to show up with plans, list of other contractors, etc and it takes about a day - and may require a hearing with the building permit board which can take weeks or months. Roofing, heating system replacements, and doors are about the only thing that get approved in less than a day in my city if a contractor is applying for a permit.
The biggest reason is that Tesla is having problems selling cars and making money, and Elon does not know how to properly manage change. He could have decided that the Supercharger department needed major restructuring or even elimination - and then implemented a plan accomplish that over a month or two - and not piss of everyone.
The few people who Tesla can hire back will not be the best people - and they will not dedicate themselves to Elon or Tesla again. Firing and hiring back is a great way to only get 2nd and 3rd rate workers.
Thanks for this eoisode, Cleaner Watt, helped me see some things a little clearer. Elon Musk has never forgotten the lean, mean and hungry early years of Tesla while Rebecca was behaving too much like a good employee of a fat, cash rich company keen to build up her own little empire. Her style was increasingly out of sync with what Tesla has to remain in order to achieve global dominance.
Knowing how Elon works, it's never without a very good reason to fire or acquire anything of significance. While from the outside, it makes like a rash decision, I'm sure Elon thought carefully and fired the team for a very good reason, and there is nothing Elon hates more than inefficiencies and bureaucracies.