Uni Student Debater with Family Farm Takes on Vegan
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Charlie's family owns a lamb and cattle farm. In this video Charlie of UNSW decides to challenge my position on animal rights.
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Great video once again! Just want to remind you because I believe you are using the word wrongly: "legally sanctioned torture" is what you are saying but most likely you mean legally subsidised torture? Because I believe there are no sanctions being given out legally for that torture. Hope I'm not wrong here ^^
I really admire your patience with people you are the best💚💚💚
@@burningflex2344 Sanction is an unusual word in that it can mean either punishment or permission.
Don’t hurt animals, it’s simple ! You don’t do it with your cute little dog 🐶, a rabbit 🐰, for a parakeet 🤗🦜!!! You choose to eat meat, Poor innocent animals !! Bludgeoned to death !! Like a psychopath, like Jeffrey Dahmer, serial killer, eating corpse 🤪🔴😵!! Don’t hurt innocent animals ! It’s the same thing ! Murder is murder !! Guilty as charged 🔴.
Go vegan ✅. Really simple. Low price, no murder !...
@@d.grogan647 really? That is funny :D
Well done to Charlie for listening, watching and debating. Before I realised, I wouldn't have been as polite and receptive as him. There's hope for Charlie!
what do you mean there's hope, he has a choice to be a vegan, theres no right and no wrong.
Everyone can become Vegan, but many are stubborn.
@@georgek0429 If that’s your attitude towards 99% of the world then you have no hope
He is fine as he is
He understands, but he can not handle being wrong. Vegan for life!
fuck vegans
humans are at the top of the foodchain
Hell. Yeah! 🌿
hh h Like Hitler and Stalin and Pol Pot, murdered innocent souls, bludgeoned to death !!!! ‘You love Murder’🧟♂️🍖🤪?? That’s weird ! Like a cannibal 🧟♂️🍖🤪!! Psychopath !! Like Jeffrey Dahlmer, The serial killer 🧟♂️🔴🍖🤪. Like you, but cowardly, 😈🔪⛓🐷🔴💩🍖🛒🧟♂️, that’s a coward ! Totally a coward !! I was the murderer 🍖, but now I’m vegan ✅❤️😬, I don’t hurt the animals.
Change as a person. Grow up. Help the planet and the animals, go vegan ✅❤️💪😬🌎👍. It’s easy. Not hard.
Meat and fish and milk and cheese and chicken, Block your arteries, and cancer, and high blood pressure.... 51% death rate 🧟♂️🍖😮😵/☠️.
Vegans have 4% cancer, and that’s it ✅❤️😬🎉. It’s a scientific fact.
‘Me explaining how you can still build muscle on a plant based diet’ says the Gorilla 🦍❤️💪✅... 98.6% percent the same as us.
ruclips.net/video/wHUiiz03LL4/видео.html . Go vegan ✅please😂
90% poop, that’s right POOP💩🐮💩🍔🥩🥓🍗🍖🌭🍕🥪🍤🐣🍣💩🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮(actual pictures). Science rules. That’s the science 🧬. 10 minutes, please watch everything.
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@@VeganV5912 i'm a muslim and i don't eat any of the stuff in the white people slaughter house, i can eat meat if i want, i live on a farm and my parents are farmers we treat the animals better than anything and we harvest their meat when they die of natural causes. how is that a problem?
I don’t see how this guy is a known “debater”. I mean he got served in this discussion, couldn’t even put a sentence together at some points. Maybe because he doesn’t know much about the subject but he comes across as one of those “know all” types, Thinks he can walk into any form of debate and argue and win but he got served here by an ex Gang member. Good work J.
You are absolutely correct.... These two morons are debating which food are moral....hahahahaha
Thank you Joey!
I think it’s clear from watching the way this guy speaks and behaves that he’s on the higher end of the autistic spectrum. Good on him for sitting down and making the effort.
Extraordinary commitment to the Rights of other Species (of animals)🐾. Resolute...Honourable ... Joey!!!💚
Hey Joey, love the video, hard to watch as it really hits home on my own reactions for when I acknowledge something that I have been taught and know as "truth", is no longer true. This guy has Aspergers, from his actions and reasoning, he is totally taking in and processing everything that you have said. He sees will go and do further research and most likely will go vegan. He will search out the facts, that's what normally makes him a good debater. His mannerisms are exactly the same as mine when I process information that I know is true but is going against everything that I have been taught and grown up with. I have Aspergers and am vegan. Great work, you definitely have made an impact on him.
You know or assume that he is?
You write perfect english, you will very soon cure it
GREAT 👍🏾 JOB JOEY!! WE HAVE HEARD IT ALL BEFORE!! THEY HAVE EVERY EXUSE UNDER THE SUN ☀️
Let’s not act like that big ass bug wasn’t crawling everywhere just having a ball😂😂
That really made me laugh throughout the whole video 😂
I literally died laughing at 19:04 “Now your burger that you eat...” can’t get anything past Joey
@bobby bobson Before advising information about diet, you need to look up what causes diabetes and heart diseases, it is definitely not sugar, but fat in the muscles is what makes the human body unable to create insulin, therefore becoming insulin-resistant. So in a nutshell, 'fat' makes people 'fat', not sugar. The human body is able to absorb sugar naturally but that is only if the human body is under a normal/healthy state.
Look up Dr. Neal Barnard and his book/research or watch 'What the Health' for starters.
ruclips.net/video/qnkw5rVmi2w/видео.html This is a short glance of the film where he talks about it.
Just two idiots fighting for food,,get a life dude.💪💪💪
bobby bobson ummmm okay🙄 😂😂😂😂
"Err, hang on stop!" ...I need to try and dig my way out of this and then 19:27, oh dear... I'm in even deeper now... 21:43 the raised eyebrow meltdown suggested I will just sit back and watch footage now to avoid digging myself a deeper hole :-)
Interesting watching the NPC glitch out and short-circuit. Awesome interview Joey!
Exaclty... 😂
The way both navigate the conversation is highly inspiring, incredible debating skills! Joey has the advantage of having truth on his side :)
This is a debate that no one can win. There shouldn't even be a debate.
Very good. You won Joey. He'll become vegan. He's on a journey now
Michael Gamble what different does it make if it’s the same? Tried and tested truths. Facts and logic win every time.
@Michael Gamble needs to be repeated over and over. Different person every time. Can't you see he's awoken something in the student
I don't know what this argument about microorganisms and insects also being sentient is about. Yes they are, but we do what we can. Let's start with the big animals where we CAN make a difference easily.
Whenever Joey asks him something, I swear this guy is ten seconds away at any given minute from saying; That would be an ecumenical matter.
Ha, yes, he did sound that way, but listening to the conversation rather than watching, I got the sense that he was aware that he was verbalizing cultural conditioning about which he had internal doubts. Let's see what happens.
To sum up Charlie's arguments:
"Bleah!" [accompanying hand gesture]
🤣🤣🤣
@Blue Days Sorry fam, I'm only ruthless because of the victims involved.
The man is trying to remain calm while his worldview is being shattered, poor guy.
Only in your mind
Nah, I just think he was a generally calm person
He was shook by that footage, it is horrendous. There is a huge difference between knowing that animals are killed for food and seeing the industry first hand 😮
I bet he actually cared for the animals on his farm as a child 😩
Let‘s just take a moment and appreciate all the people taking time out of their day to debate in this matter. Without conversation there‘s no change. Thank you Joey for your activism!
I can see why Charlie is good at debates. He really listens, confirms, then considers. Best wishes to him. Joey, excellent as usual.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
The look on his face and in his eyes, when Joey tells him cows have to be pregnant to produce milk and he says he knew about this, it did not look like he knew this. Holy hell, he looked shocked to find out this truth.
What a brilliant piece of activism Joey. Couldn’t have been done better. I’m afraid that young man has never ever thought before about animal exploitation.
Most people haven't.
@Heilige He didn't GO THROUGH anything. He sat down voluntarily. He looks quite comfy.
BEAR::::100% agree with you. These two fools here are fighting for food:
bobby bobson did Joey say eat sugar?? No. Animals products don’t have the monopoly on fat you know 🤦🏻♂️
define "exploitation"? the animals are begging to be slaughtered, how can we deny them that opportunity?
Wow I can't believe how many people in the comments are just making fun of him for the way he talks. Plain childish
It happens in every group. Everyone thinks they are right. And when they believe they have the moral high ground they are more likely to appeal to ad hominems.
Even if he had an odd voice I wish people would just stick to the arguments. Or in his case compliment him for trying to engage in the argument and being clear in what he's saying.
He's obviously someone who values knowledge
@bobby bobson testosterone is actually produced by your body naturally. if you consume it directly you actually will have lower levels of testosterone. Because your body will produce less of it
Which is why testosterone is one of the best male birth control products.
Meat and dairy contain testosterone which is why meat eaters have lower testosterone levels than vegans
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19087438/
@bobby bobson Lots of Vegan Athletes out there.
@@ninjaturtletyke3328 yes Bobby where is your evidence?
He sounds normal, just a bit too slow for my taste.
I like how Joey is helping him explain his own arguments cuz he is FLUSTERED!!
Alphonse Elric
Some people have stutter
NedFlanderzz True, doesn’t change what I watched.
I don’t disagree
Charlie’s just had an education.👏🏻🏴🌱
@Dark Flex, After seeing that disturbing footage.. not so sure..
No, he needs an education.
yeah so cringey when idiots try and act smart, joey wrecked his stupid arguments
Stfu
@@goopchain3911, who was that to..?
1:04 "WTF is he trying to show me with his hand?..."
ExtremCoxer 🤣
xD
His Italian Heritage mate!
Lol
Hahahaha
- "nature tho"
- "animals do it tho"
- "we're different species tho"
- "we are omni tho"
- "they're reliable protein tho"
- "survival tho"
- "3rd world tho"
- "they're not human, they can't be abused tho"
- "law tho"
- "parasites tho"
- "ants tho"
...
His tune changed after seeing truth footage. That tells you how powerful it is.
TheParadigmShift I’ve noticed that less and less are using the “plants tho,” argument. I guess that’s a positive.
James Parker they jump from fallacy to fallacy, until there’s no more fallacies to spew. It’s what happens when they’re being given information that counters their preconceived beliefs. Then the uncomfortable feeling usually sets and then all of a sudden they have to leave. Happens almost all the time without fail.
@@aciditywormhole9898 It's up to us to counter every one of those pathetic attempts at justifying animal abuse. Shut each one down till there's none left. Never let these abusers get away with using a ridiculous fallacy to commit atrocities. They deserve to be shown how absurd their arguments are and have that on their conscience next time they're consuming the dead body of an abused animal.
TheParadigmShift couldn’t agree more.
Nick Miller what?
Joey just schooled a debate champion you can tell he doesn't like it. Could be good for him though lots for him to go away and think about. He kept doing the appeal to nature fallacy all the time
@Dark Flex Because an argument isn't valid if it's fallacious. You wouldn't appeal to nature to justify immoral things among the human species or even specific species of animals so you're just creating a double standard and discriminating individuals based on their species just for your taste pleasure. Any reasonable and compassionate human being who can think logically knows veganism is the morally right principle and that there's no justification for killing another sentient being unless if you're in a survival situation where even cannibalism would be justified so you could either "go Vegan and stay consistent with your moral principles or continue living in ignorance and stay a hypocrite while pretending the cruel reality doesn't exist".
@Dark Flex You have a moral obligation to go Vegan regardless of if someone beat you in a debate or not.
@Dark Flex A psychopath could say "I don't have a moral obligation to not kill, rape, eat another human being' or an asshole could say "I don't have a moral obligation to not beat my significant other and my kids" but that doesn't negate them from having the obligation just because they say otherwise. You can be a hypocrite and inconsistent with your moral beliefs and continue contributing to animal abuse, you're still morally obligated to discontinue your immoral practice because human slavery back in the day even if it was legal, was still immoral regardless of if people like you used to say "I don't have the moral obligation to not own human slaves and I will always own human slaves".
@Dark Flex Here we go again speciesist discriminating another individual just because they're not the "same species", the same mindset was used to discriminate against other human beings back in the day. I never said you, I said "people like you", meaning people who had the same mindset as you used to justify slavery back in the day with such fallacious arguments. And no, all people aren't equal so your argument falls flat because you wouldn't agree to justify abusing a human being if they were lower or equal to an animal we abuse like a pig.
@Dark Flex ur brain is not working bud sorry to tell you
As soon as he seen that footage he was thinking “ oh shit, I can’t argue against this”
This guy watched a kurzgesagt video on egoistic altruism and now thinks he's Immanuel Kant...
Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣 amazing, loved it 💚💚💚💚
kurzgesagt also makes english videos?
Didn't knew that.
@@Der.Kleine.General sure. They've made some really good videos siding with veganism basically but being balanced because I know that vegans also can be really dishonest to push our agenda
@@Der.Kleine.General i thought it only did english video's. I watch it often, news to me
@@80slimshadys 🤨 You weren't curious what _kurzgesagt_ means?!
A farmer saying that he makes sure his animals are free from predation... No dude, you're the predator.
Ikr. So thick
@bobby bobson cholesterol is made from carbohydrates. As long as you eat lots of carbs your liver will produce more then enough for the bodies requiements. Also there are saturated fats in plants, its just the long chain saturated fats that are detrimental. Short and medium chain sat fats are perfectly healthy and can be metabolised properly. Long chain fats are in animal products and oils and they raise LDL which produces atherosclerosis and are deposited in muscle cells as intramyocellularlipids that cause insulin resistance and destroy insulin producing beta cells in the pancreas
@bobby bobson there is a difference between refined sugar and a whole intact food with the sugars bound to fibre and micronutrients
@bobby bobson Not what the science says.
Vegan men have higher testosterone than meat eaters: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf
After the intake of cow milk, testosterone significantly decreased in men: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
Eating meat increases your risk of erectile dysfunction:
Subclinical endothelial dysfunction and low-grade inflammation play roles in the development of erectile dysfunction in young men: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22519624
Role of peak systolic velocity measured in the flaccid state in predicting arteriogenic ED: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18783349
Diets high in fat and cholesterol increase erectile dysfunction risk factors: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16226175
Improving fat and cholesterol risk factors in mid-life may decrease the risk of erectile dysfunction: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15093875
Lifestyle affects risk factors of erectile dysfunction: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21911624
Diet high in fruits, vegetables, nuts and whole grains improve erections: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20487239
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16395320
This dude is on the spectrum. Bless him.
Its like hes using a dialogue wheel from some rpg game like skyrim or something lol
I’m vegan for a week now! Thank you so much joey 😘
👏😊🎉
awesome make sure you purchase b12 supplements or consume it from fortified foods
It won't last
@@Dave-if5qj your right. It only lasted 9 months lol
@@poollofindro5886 What made you quit being vegan?
This guy thinks he’s intelligent but he’s not
Gay Vegan The guy Joey is debating of course
He is not very well spoken, but that doesn't mean he is stupid. Just because he is not vegan does not mean he is stupid. He is obviously aware of his bad public speaking skills and he is trying to get better at it. You don't have any information on his ability to absorb and learn new material, so don't just assume people are stupid or not intelligent.
because he does not agree with your view?
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🚴♀️✅_________________________________________________🚴♂️🥵🍖 tired meat eater.
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@@didac3918 exactly.
Charlie got awfully quiet at the end there.
Because he realize that he was arguing with an emotional illogical being
@hauha is against the law to kill someones pet
@hauha pets and live stocks are two diffrent things mate
@hauha bro ur fucking stupid and emotional. Pigs are not the same as having dogs. Dogs were domesticated for different reason that's why we don't eat them. Although in some countries they do. Pigs on the other side ,were raise so we can eat them
@hauha If is not nature to eat meat , why can we digest meat and are able to get protein off meat?
He tries so hard to formulate himself intellectually 😅 Hopefully he’ll come around, despite his family’s business.
He’s maybe known for winning debates at the University - right until you came around. Great and decent debate tho.
Kong Claudio
Pretty sure the guy is on the spectrum. That’s just how he thinks. Nothing wrong with him. He was being very open minded
@@flynnc-m560 I agree, you can see him processing everything that Joey says that doesn't align with his "facts". He will definitely be thinking about this afterwards.
No matter how good someone is at arguing or debate, you can't win against facts.
Of course, unless they are insane and does not apply facts in accord to their actions.
Damn, this guy opened my eyes. I’m not vegan anymore because of ticks and ants.
I feel like he kinda knew you had a point but that he was just testing out arguments to see what you’d say to them. I don’t know if he sincerely believed them since he didn’t seem to present them as if he was trying to prove himself right. Just was exploring different lines of thought and seeing what the conclusion would be. Nice job I liked this one!
Agreed!
There is such a strong philosophical element to to the idea of veganism. I love that the process of critical thinking can bring guys like this over to side of animal rights because of the philosophical component.
Simon Loewen
Exactly! My first introduction to Veganism was a year ago and purely philosophical, from the video “a meat eaters case for Veganism” by Cosmic skeptic about a year ago. Definitely got me thinking about it but was months later I actually adopted the change myself. Philosophy was the way to get me interested but I also needed a strong and direct push to actually get me there in practice.
Meow
Spoiler: ''Ants tho''
Mental gymnastics nothing new here. Great job Joey!🌱💚 It's dreadful listening to this guy🤨
I agree with you, THEY BOTH SOUND HYPOCRITE!!!!
This guy thinks he’s proper clever
Yeah hes a big professor giving a lecture right here......
House Vibez I think he thinks long words are enough to ignore ethics
I think he is rather clever but hasn't been challenged on this subject like this before
i think if he spent more time allowing his common sense and instinctual logic to prevail rather than searching for opportunities to sound intelligent or trying so hard to come across as educated he would seldom slip up on his words and probably have some good cognitive process and intellect given some more life experience , which is what set joey apart from him , joey is natural in his vernacular and speech focusing on truth rather that ignorant posturing and joey also has some genuine life experience
See the guy on the left when he stops talking at times dose that mean theres a default in his brain because i seen signs of this with others could be a sign that he must of been under stress in his pass or Hurting his head off things
There is a pattern to these
1) Humans are better
2) Nature tho
3) Protein tho
4) oh well it's my personal choice
He thought that gen Jutsu would work on Joey
nice
Where my vegan weebs at?
his jutsu was genin level lol
Stand name : Words of Love, Stand user: Joey Carbstrong.
@@No-uk7fv ah I see the Jo Jo's reference
One tip Joey: Don't limit animals feelings in your arguments to pain and suffering plus the will to live but include more 'human' like emotions: humor, happiness, sadness, boredom, affection, friendship, curiosity, loneliness, et cetera.
Doug Vegan Paradise Builder true
Good tip
Dont think he needs advice g
@@ezrathecarrotcruncher8412 also a good tip
@@ezrathecarrotcruncher8412 Of course he can always keep improving and adding to his debating arsenal you wally!
That was fantastic Joey, you extended your compassion to Charlie. There were many times where you could have gone 'carbstrong mental' on him but you remained reserved yet assertive. You gave him a lot to think about. Quality ✊🏼
You are so patient Joey Well done
Free education, but props to the guy for generally accepting Joe's points, he's a smart guy, now that's he's been exposed to the information he will have the tool to look into it and make the right choice. ;)
This one was amazing to watch Joey, keep it up. I liked Charlie as well he seems to have a good heart and I suspect he will make the switch soon.
12:47 meat has always been a privilege for the rich. It’s the same in 3rd world countries. If you don’t believe me, think about the cheapest foods. Survival is the only justifiable reason.
Awesome, Joey! No meat eater can win over you. 💪 When I was a meat eater, I was lack of B12 and Iron. Today 6 years vegan 🌱 I realy take supplements. My blood test is great. Never been stronger.
Oh he used the protein argument 😂
It takes balls to sit down with a guy like Joey and debate something you’re not fully informed about. Credit to anyone who sits down with him. Credit to Joey for continuing to make these possible.
He had NO idea what he was up against when he sat down with Joey. It didn't take "balls" -- he thought it was going to be a slam dunk.
yeah, Charlie hung in there pretty long, Joey was calm and polite, and let the kid talk and didnt talk over him, thats very important, also calling people brother and my friend while debating lets them know you are not their enemy and you are not above them, also reminding them that you also used to eat meat too and you understand the draw, I always tell people I used to drink a gallon of milk every two days, and usually ate meat 2-3 times a day.......but will not be involved in all that anymore.....
Oh Joey! You ran rings round this “master debater” mate!
Charlie: Hummm.. Errm... what’s your name?”
If only you’d said: “Joey mate, like the baby Kangaroo!” 😂😂😂 🇬🇧🌱
I think this guy is on the spectrum
*Create a Better World by.............Living VEGAN*
100%
@Sugar Pie LOL......I wonder how one would even pronounce those two words.....kinda hurts my brain just trying it out!
@Michael GambleHi,
To me, "better" doesn't mean "perfect". So no, it's not even remotely necessary that all wars and crime need to stop in order for the world to be better.
Cumulatively, people living vegan means that there will be less demand for products that are produced with the necessary and intentional killing of animals needlessly. Ergo, less preventable, intentional, needless violence perpetrated upon innocent sentient individuals in the world necessarily means that a better world was the consequence of those people's cumulative choices.
Would the world be better if those same people lived vegan AND there was magically no more wars and crime? Sure......but the former (some or many people choosing to live vegan) is an obvious reality while the latter is pure fantasy.
I'll take a better reality any and every day over a fictional, fantasy, hypothetical perfect world........wouldn't you?
Louis Gedo you comment on all of his videos the world will never go vegan get over it.
@Michael Gamble Not surprisingly at all, you have chosen to completely misconstrue my position.
My extremely accurate contention is that vegan living eliminates as much as practicable and possible one's complicity in *necessary and intentional killing of animals.* I never claimed that living vegan somehow magically makes the vegan some magically perfect human being.......so please stop strawmanning me.
But if you have two people, a person who lives vegan and a person who chooses to make himself complicit in preventable, intentional, needless violence toward innocent, sentient OTHA's (other than human animals) and both have chosen to buy clothes made in a sweat shop (for the same reason) and in fact all their choices are the same other than the choice to live their life with zero complicity in preventable, intentional, needless violence toward innocent, sentient OTHA's, it *MUST* logically follow then that the vegan is creating the better world over the person choosing to not live vegan (unless you embrace a nonsensical position that more preventable, intentional, needless violence toward innocent, sentient individuals is better.....and then in that case you MUST be in favor of behaviors such as more raping of toddlers, enslaving of Blacks, and randomly kicking dogs in the face).
"Reality" isn't necessarily subjective......it depends on the usage of the term "reality".
This young man's saying that the animals don't have a higher Superior mentality than humans so that's why he thinks they should die but what he fails to realize is if you have a mentally challenged person who doesn't have the ability to know right from wrong does that mean you should eliminate them ? No you help them you don't eliminate them. Whatever happened to compassion and kindness in this world.
Not a fan of the human herbivory argument but other than that well done. I really think you should talk with Dr Avi about it, he's a friend of Ask Yourself so I'm sure he'd be happy to as well. Here is his discord -
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Every time there's a debate do you ever notice that it's always a farmer that wants to debate Joey or someone that knows a farmer. It's funny I haven't eaten meat in over 30 years and I'm healthier than most people my age who do eat meat and I look 10 years younger and they don't. Also meat eaters can get heart disease diabetes and high blood pressure just to name a few but you will never find a plant-based eater ever get any of those.
This kid sounds like the student who would always ask his lecturer menial questions and call them out on typos to seem smarter than the rest of their class.
Weird how that archetype are so prevalent across educational institutions. Why are they like this? Aspergers of some form maybe?
@@ayyylma0 Probably just how humans are when they get called out for being wrong, instead of just owning up to ones fault to better one selves, you have to protect your ego.
15:48 "That's why the RSPCA is in place to ensure animals aren't abused and mistreated. Ummmm, you might need to have a look at the RSPCA Knowledgebase on their website buddy. It's pretty clear they condone a whole heap of actions and practices that are obviously abuse and mistreatment.
Does anyone else think that a lot of these people that debate against veganism are looking for excuses rather than using arguments they actually believe to be justifications?
Do you believe that Vegans and this Man are all the same? They both kill animals in order to eat....
How does a guy talk so calm and spit shit at the same time ?
I need this skill 🗿
👏👏👏👏👏bravo joey .....his face at the end tho🤣priceless.....
Basic fundamental rights are not granted by man, or made by man. They are inherent to creation. It is Universal Law. Animals possess the same fundamental rights upon birth.
Are we just going to ignore the fact that Joey had a debate with a cyborg?
@Heilige Yup. Really. Its humor, a joke. The young man is clearly articulate and a skilled speaker. The way he chooses his words is admiral. It is okay to laugh at ourselves. Granted, in this scenario, I am having a chuckle over someone elses way of communicating. Historically, for me, if I even as so much notice a way someone chooses to communicate, I often do impressions of them. It means I find their way endearing. So much so it left an impression on me enough to imitate. All that being said...I've been responding to people with, Hm., for 2 or 3 days now bc it gives me a laugh. He managed himself beautifully in this discussion. He also was quite monotone and deliberate with his vocabulary (one could argue overly deliberate as those two combined can lead others to feel disconnected and therefore your message doesn't land)...similar to a cyborg. I for one, admire his communication skills...I can also see how they are similar to that of a fictional depiction of cyborg. So...I shared my impression. My humor. So yes. Reaaaaalllly.
It is amazes me how meat eaters get so defensive when they are the ones that entered the conversation. Joey did not pull anybody from anywhere they walked up to him.
2:10 he doesn't even care about humans lol. He only gonna help if they can provide value.
Joey lost this one. Every time ol'mate made a point (whether it was good or not), Joey changed the goal post and just went on a different tangent. He speaks fast but can't back his argument when put tot he test
Bravo Joey, you let him talk his points and then destroy them perfectly.
@Michael Gamble so u think torturing and murdering humans and dogs needlessly is fine?
There are mobile slaughter trucks that can take 1 to 10 cows a day right on the farm.
This student tries way too hard to never agree with you Joey. "Hmm". "Go on.." He has a big ego.
I swear the amount of times he said hmmm 😂😂
Poor Charlie couldnt get outta there fast enough when he realized the farming practices (BLOODBATH) he and his family are involved in, I dont think he had any idea of what REALLY happens in a slaughter house....until you woke him up Joey, he kept asking while looking at the footage "Where is this ? where is that ? " you could see it in his eyes and body language ....although he was trying to hide his true feelings you could tell he was disgusted at the footage,,,,,,disgusted in his family And in himself and was going to cry....maybe thats why he split so fast.........he may win some debates there at the college ...but not about your topic, nobody can win that debate against the master of the topic, many have tried and many have failed, hopefully another farm turned sanctuary story in years to come when he inherits his family farm ! and years from now he will get to tell the story about "When Joey Carbstrong Woke Me Up" Great Job Joey....AGAIN !!
It’s not about being a master of the topic Lool it’s just the fact that there is literally no justification to not be a vegan in 2020
"Saved" by the bell
We all know right from wrong...except for those that don't
YES JOEY " did you know black widow eats there mate after they've mated, should we copy that behavior " charlie is like damn "hmm"
he gave me an headache "hmm hmmp" its
Dumbass
Two idiots fighting for food.,,,😂😂😂😂
@Eniria Alfheim Yes I agree, he is a "smarter" idiot.
Dude Tried To Sound So Intelligent And Ended Up Sounding Like A Fool For 27 Minutes😂😂
Yeah... He tries so hard to act like he knows it all.. Cringe level 100
Shoutout to the little bug who was eager to open the computer screen to show some videos!
Willfull blindness ...Joey won again :)
The question is not can they reason nor can they speak but can they suffer
I think this guy will eventually go vegan
Clyde A. Hutchison IV why do you think this?
I could see myself 10 years ago in him so it would not be a surprise if he went vegan too
@@treewitch666 he seems like he will really consider it and once he does he will learn all the positives. when joey asked him at the end he said he will have to think about it. just a gut feeling really, I wouldn't be surprised if he's vegan by now as this was filmed awhile ago
Clyde A. Hutchison IV and he learned by now about covid19 starting in a wet market, etc.
His whole argument appears to be an elaborate version of 'lions tho'
Interesting debate. Seems that veganism can't be defeated.
As a side note, I'm not a native speaker but I found Charlie's way of speaking very intelligible.
AxRayVizion Lmao in what way did this dude ”defeat“ veganism?
@@simonezitrone1 I said that veganism CAN'T be defeated. What's wrong?
@bobby bobson All humans also needs diabetes, heart diseases and infectious diseases; by that logic.
AxRayVizion oh shit my bad. Didn’t see the ’t because my screen is cracked there lol
@@jijasd all humans need malnurisment now
I'm not sure of the level of compassion Charlie has inside him, and I hope he'll change his actions and mentality, but I can't imagine him saving a koala.
He struggled saving himself toward the end
Your points might be more clear if you start using the terms ‘relevant difference’ and ‘arbitrary discrimination’. The terms I keep hearing you use are more vague and open up issues in your argument.
Also useful concepts you might want to incorporate would be ‘bodily autonomy’, ‘the non-aggression principle’, and ‘the precautionary principle’.
There just isn't any excuses to be using animals for anything.
@bobby bobson What's you point? I don't know exactly what you mean. Are you saying it's not worth being vegan because crop deaths?
It must be hard to come to terms with the truths that Joey is saying when you grew up on a cattle farm.
This guy comes across like he's trying to sound intellectual when actually he's just using the same arguments every non-vegan uses.
He has used appeal to nature argument at least 3 to 4 times lol.
You can’t sound clever justifying abuse, you just end up sounding like an ass with random and ridiculous excuses
miguel mackay it’s not abuse. How is it abuse
he keeps repeating himself 'its not animal abuse' when joey already gave some many examples of how they torture animals. This guy seems pompous to me...
Exactly. He just uses the same lame excuses disguised in technical language.
Still eating meat lol.
whoopie. champion of the mainstream.
Egotistic altruism is a fair reason to be altruist but it is not the only one and obviously not the only one why we give rights to any being. There is this thing called empathy, slavery helped us built cities and empires nevertheless it was wrong.
I’m 13 and a vegan by choice so I’m trying to be an activist in my channel so if you could check it out that would be gould
Thank you
Great activism Joey 👍
I think Charlie will think about this over and over. Good on him for taking part in this debate.
Thinking is as far as it will go. Putting in to practice if for the brave
He’s trying too hard to “win” the debate than he is to have an open discussion where he could be wrong.
Thoughful chap. Seemed like he learned some basic facts about standard animal practices which involve torture, abuse, murder and unfathomable sadness. #GoVegan Great debate Joey 🅰️➕
Lol 😂 he didn’t know how to response when you said “you are looking after your economical interest “ he quickly dodged that and changed the subject 🤦🏻♀️ I hope he and his family find another way of living instead of using animals. Great conversation Joey 🙌🏼💚🌱
I have been in the hunting, fishing, taxidermy, competitive shooting industry pretty much my whole life. It has been in the family. Our vegan community says the same thing to my family and my children.
They say it is easy for me to close my business and get another job that doesn't torture animals. I also have a few employees to worry about. I can remain open during these times.
They also say it is easy for them to get other work. We live in a area where jobs are few and far between.
Shawn Darling I understand where you are coming from. Nothing is easy in this world. A little bit of effort and determination is all you need. Anything is better than hurting animals. Keep in mind that you have options and its all
possible as long as you have the desire to change.
Carnivore diet is the way to go forget about any of this vegan hocus pocus😒😁
I dont like his arguments, make me feel sick. How can you not understand compassion 🤢
@Meshari Struggling with understanding why using animals for food isn't ok is not compassion.
Because speciesism
JC he sounds like a cult member which is constantly referring to the law. I think law is the new religion. And judges are the new priests
@@Patralgan Yeah I understand what his ethics are rooted in.
Change the law or p*ss off! I've 2 cats to look after.
Beware the vampire sheep.....
Great conversation Joey, thank you!