Batman v Superman Ending and Justice League Explained
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Let me know how you think they'll do the *spoiler thing* in Justice League Part 1. Not expecting it to be exactly like in the comics back in the 90s. New *Walking Dead* posting after the episode tonight :)
Batman mentioned a Russian named Anatoli. Wasn't he also in season 2 or 3 of Arrow
wait Thae flash made a cameo?
wait Thae flash made a cameo?
the*
+Emergency Awesome I hope it goes as you say for part one, the ending being Superman rising or any resurrection of the sort ( Batman being a genius, he can say he needs the sun light, so they literally send his "corpse" into space) . Part two should be like the animated movie, not 100% the same because you had the first part to introduce the main characters and to make them sorta get along with each other; but to focus on the team fighting against Darkseid and giving this God-like villain a proper introduction to the DCU
Grandma's Peach Tea, everyone that's seen BvS will understand.
Boom
+JoeBDesign The critics should drink it.
(SPOILER) I was confused after that, i thought she was poisoned and then an explosion. I honestly thought they'd do more with the Mercy character
+Daniel Medina Yup the movie had some flaws, but overall Batman v Superman was fucking awesome.
lol
I'm pretty sure the ending when superman just said "Martha" to stop batman was more deep than most people realize.
Superman said his mothers name, he obviously wanted to know why, he didn't know Martha was his mother so maybe he thought he was connected to her murder, or knew something about her. So when Lois came and told batman that was his mothers name I think that's when batman realized that superman cares for people and that people care for him and he has a family. So from knowing how it feels to have family taken away from you, he realized that he should let superman save her. And maybe that's when his no killing rule started?
Just a theory idk?
Yeah, or it just points out that a lot of people lack empathy and can't imagine themselves losing their mother. Either that or all the people hating on that scene don't love their mother. Haha I don't know, but I felt that scene so much and thought it was awesome.
When Batman heard Superman say save Martha it brought back a flood of emotions as Martha was the last word from the mouth of his father. Therefore he saved Martha Kent for three reasons. If she were alive his mother would not approve of his methods he uses. Batman rose from the death of his parents and they didn't raise him to be like this. When he saves Martha Kent he is atoning of his wrong perception of Superman as well as his dark side. By saving Martha Kent he is fulfilling his Dad's memory when he laying helplessly dying trying to save his wife. The conscience of his father drove him to save her at all costs. This is one reason the fight was so brutal.
Jnr
When Batman heard Superman say save Martha it brought back a flood of emotions as Martha was the last word from the mouth of his father. Therefore he saved Martha Kent for three reasons. If she were alive his mother would not approve of his methods he uses. Batman rose from the death of his parents and they didn't raise him to be like this. When he saves Martha Kent he is atoning of his wrong perception of Superman as well as his dark side. By saving Martha Kent he is fulfilling his Dad's memory when he laying helplessly dying trying to save his wife. The conscience of his father drove him to save her at all costs. This is one reason the fight was so brutal.
Jnr
When Batman heard Superman say save Martha it brought back a flood of emotions as Martha was the last word from the mouth of his father. Therefore he saved Martha Kent for three reasons. If she were alive his mother would not approve of his methods he uses. Batman rose from the death of his parents and they didn't raise him to be like this. When he saves Martha Kent he is atoning of his wrong perception of Superman as well as his dark side. By saving Martha Kent he is fulfilling his Dad's memory when he laying helplessly dying trying to save his wife. The conscience of his father drove him to save her at all costs. This is one reason the fight was so brutal.
Jnr
Surgeon Guy u r not supposed to make theories for the movie, that's their job. IMO batman shud hv killed superman
What if Darkseid ends up resurrecting Superman?
That's what I thought flash was trying to warn him about. Maybe he gets brainwashed by Darkseid and that is why Lois is the key and to fear him and that will be the part of of JL and at the end they find out supes was brainwashed and find out about Darkseid
Tornadospeed10 Yeah!
+Tornadospeed10 very possible scenario
+Paul Dunbar this is v plausible, i rmbed DS wanting to turn supes into a parademon in JL:War
he wouldn't because dark side just wants to kill
Didn't he already start to come back??? At the end? The dirt started floating.
yea
that was Louis lane falling in the into the puddle
+sniperjulxqc10 ! He's not immortal
+sniperjulxqc10 ! hes not
That was just a faint heartbeat. He still needs the power of the sun to be revived.
This film is FAR better than people and critics have been giving it credit for.
This will be a definite addition to my Blu-Ray collection.
Justice league doesn't look right without Green Lantern next to Flash
+Chris Allen you're right, but I think it was just that they hadn't cast GL when they were shooting this movie
All the superheroes they showed were all from Earth, the heroes LexCorp were studying. Green Lantern is from another planet therefore no one knows about him yet. He'll just end up on Earth in the next movie hopefully.
+DarkPeppaZ green lantern is from earth 😂 and the green lantern corp should have been in the kryptonin archives
+DarkPeppaZ green lantern gets his ring from a alien who crashs his ship on earth watch the green lantern movie same in comics
+Chris Allen and both of them hitting on wonder woman right..LEGO ROCKS
Thank you for this video! This is exactly what I got out of the movie, without reading any comics. Great Job!
+T.O. Media Studio thanks!
+Emergency Awesome i think the painting is a depiction of dante's inferno.
+Emergency Awesome can you do an explanation for flash
+Emergency Awesome I think Superman so already alive and will come out of hiding when the time Is right
+Wade Wilson ya right
It was a great movie!!! people who said the story was "messy" or "all over the place" clearly didn't understand the movie.
9/10
+Keane Tiay You can't deny that there are some questionable changes in the plot.
Dude, its like the force awakens but in its the opposite.
I really wasted my money watching the force awakens.
Potato Tomato Toes The force awakens was awesome.
***** i hate the dream sequences
Keane Tiay Oh, I actually loved them xD
maybe the Codex in his cells will help him somehow. I just really like the whole codex thing from Man of Steel I just hope they don't throw it away
Agreed!
+Icon Blue Me too! I forgot about it until lex found it. I thought they used it really well.
In total agreement with you. The codex HAS to somehow come into play for his "resurrection" to take place...
maybe they take the codex to star labs
Probably one of the only good ways to explain him coming back without the Fortress
I don't care what the critics say, I loved BvS. It's one of my top 5 favorite superhero movies. I've seen it twice and I'll be seeing it at least one more time in IMAX.
"The red capes are coming! The red capes are coming!" - Lex Luthor
The movie was awesome. I don't care what everyone else says.
I've been looking for someone like you for ages. Thanks for proving me that people can have their own opinion and not blindly follow critics
+The North Remembers Yep I'm a fanboy, but I saw the flaws of the movie. It's just sad that people hate it just for the sake of it
+Henri Crepin I know right
Agree
+The North Remembers I actually like marvel movies better I'm defending the movie because I genuinely enjoyed the movie and I am excited for what's to come
Thank god we don't have to wait 3 years for the next movie
+Nugraha Prawira I want to watch JL now. S o goo d
Am I the only one that saw the dirt rising into the air at he end of the movie?
You're the chosen one
Kidding, I saw it too lol
everyone saw it
+asianidiott My mom didn't.
I saw it too
Was just about to say this!! Hahaha...
i think he will let a huge fart in his coffin that will get the rest of that kryptonite smoke out of his system and fly out to get away from the smell lol
Hahah yes!
The power of fan boys will bring back super man
Chris would be good at cinemasins **ding**
This video really helped me clear up some of my confusions in BvS. Keep up the good work man! Subbed
+Rariix I still don't understand why Batman fight Suprman? Why did superman not fly faster than the nuclear bomb?
When Bruce Wayne met Clark Kent ,Clark said he is from the Daily Planet and Bruce said '' did I own that or that is the other guy ''Oliver Queen reference ?
that's it! I was racking my brain over that one!
Just watched it last night and had a lot of fun.
My main criticism would be is for Snyder to stop using such a washed out colour palette, the movie could have been visually so much better if he used more brighter and bolder colours.
lol
+Wolfsite Zack's "washed out colour palette" is what made this movie so much beautiful.
+Captain Possible but i cant see some stuff. it should be a little more clear. like inception. wasnt that dark but it was a great dark tone.
+Kay Fowler I like that
I regret I watched in 3D
i tell you what, my favorite part was watching flash time travel. at the end of the scene when he was yelling you have to find us, he looked like he was in some serious trouble. like under distress big time. kinda makes you feel like wherever he is coming from is hell on earth and hes barely hanging on.
+Common Sense Yeah they went with the injustice version of the suit and his behaviour was a lot like injustice too.. He isn't with the order of superman by heart and wants Batman to stop that event from happening... It was awesome
Yea I figured he wasnt talking about Darkseid yet. The fact that he kept saying lois is the key is a hint to injustice along with you've always been right about him meaning Batmans feeling that superman "could burn the whole place down" is accurate in the future unless they do something. I'm still praying for some hints to Green Lantern being in these movies.
+Common Sense he was talking about darksied... he controlled superman in the post apocalyptic world and turned him into a pawn..and I will love a GL reference in the future films
yea i think either way superman is going to be going against the JL. if lois is the key though that means shes the thing that keeps superman "good". If she dies hence she is the key that pisses him off and he goes crazy. Im def excited though. flash scene was my fav of the movie!
I loved the cameos and the little things that just copy pasted from the comics like the batman holding the gun scene or the fight between the batman and superman.. But the best moment was when Batman starts punching Supes and the kryptonite effect wears off and Batman is like "cool down bro.. We are all friends here.. We'll form the justice league".. This could be a way of making superman go against JL but can't really say.. Maybe it means something else..Zack has a lot of surprises.. I am hyped for all the future movies..
Thinking too far to the future isn't good. You can't just confirm a new movie coming out in 2020. What if the writer dies? What if Donald Trump becomes president and bans movies? What if the world blows up? What if aliens take over earth and we become slaves and eat earth worms.
Possibility
+Weaved Fate There are other writers and seeing the scripts for Man of Steel and Batman v Superman probably all of them are better than the ones in those movies.
+Albert Mas you have an overactive imagination. Cool Bro.
Brandon Brito LoL XD
They already started making our new movie.
As long as they don't clone Superman, I'm okay with bringing him back. Unless the clone is Conner Kent.
YES XD
That would be awesome. 😃
great insight man. I left the theater a little bit disappointed and confused, but your info really helped clear things up. thanks, keep up the good work!
Can you do an explainer for the upcoming rebirth please !!
+Daniel Farrell The Superman from Superman & Lois is the main superman now, he has a son who will get his own comic with Damien Wayne.
+Emergency Awesome thanks man keep up the good videos
+Daniel Farrell your the reason I'm getting so in depth into comics and I love it !
+Emergency Awesome Dean Cain?
+Emergency Awesome how did that change? Did he and 52 Superman merge or...? I know that pre-52 Superman came back through some time/space thing, but how is he main now? What happened to 52?
They NEED to make Flashpoint Paradox!!! But I hope the first Flash movie is about that.
I agree that was one of my favourite justice league animated movies
Anyone notice that when Bruce Wayne wakes up from the Flash scene, 2 pieces of papers were still making their way to the ground, indicating that the flash did indeed run back in time. Throughout the Flash scene, paper was seen flying around too so it was really subtle!
For those who for some reason, think that the scene was just a dream.
I cant believe they passed up on Bryan Cranston for Lex...fuck just fuck
Too old
NeonTime please
+NeonTime Bryan Cranston is immortal
+johanzo88 I know, he would have been prefect! Guess we'll have to accept Mark Zuckerberg from The Social Network -_-
Mikebones A better script in JL might help us forget this annoying Lex.
Maybe the bone sword had such a great effect on him because he was so close to the kryptonite when he got stabbed.
dude please when Batman tells you that u need to come and join me you hell fucking join him
lazuras Pitt is how he comes back.
Yep, I think they will use that to bring him back
*facepalm
lol the stupidity is real here.
+PussySlayer (Zero) no just no.
+Eli Arychuk did u not see the dirt rise from his grave
Batman v Superman is Amazing! I can't wait to see it again!
And it got bad reviews but I like it a lot
+Mr Django me too :)
Devin McBreen I don't care about reviews! it's your own opinion that matters.
The guy who plays Jimmy ollsen was on smallville as the editor of the daily planet and lex luthers brother
what was that demon thing at the end that dissapears in front of lex
something like general of darkseid
I'm pretty sure that was steppennwolf darksied's uncle i believe
I'm pretty sure that was steppennwolf darksied's uncle i believe
+Shawnaboy it is Steppenwolf, Lex says The Bells been rung, he's coming and Steppenwolf is the Villain in Justice League
Next for me is World's Finest:) It's a great day to be a DC fan.
Congrats on 1 million subs!
First comment! Bet flash can't beat that😂
😁
Barry who? (Legends of tommorow reference)
real funny!
+Gmaniac01 you would only get it if you watched legends of tommorow
+Gmaniac01 ... so correction fail
OMG this channel is nerd heaven! I can't process it all!
nicely done..good work dude keep it up
justice League part 1 is probably going to end with superman bursting through the roof and he looks at the league and says "What I'd miss"
truuuu even tho didn't u see the vibration of the sand at the end..
I went to see Batman v Superman today and I really liked it. I don't know why there is so much hate on the movie.
they dont hate, they just dont like it the way you do. sorry mate.
I think Superman might just wake out nowhere one day and he's gonna be like"Well, that was a good nap." "Now, where ma homie Bruce doh?"
In the ending i saw dirt that lois pour over the grave if you wait in the end the dirt will start floating
true that.
+ItsDalia wait you saw that too?
i thought i was the only one
Granny's peach tea... *BOOM*
Wow ! This is Amazing Info thanks ! Emergency Awesome!
i reckon drkseid is gonna bring him back and use him 4 evil. That's why there were flashbacks of an evil superman in bvs. Even flash sed that lois is the key meaning shes the key to bringing him back to sanity. I guarentee u im right. Evil superman in JL.
+Bah Cah No that was going to happen if Batman didn't save Martha and Lois died trying to help. That explains why Batman went batshit crazy on those goons killing them and light them on fire.
I realize now why critics are so angry/hating the movie its because its not a marvel movie and this is what they are comparing it to, they go in wanting a family friendly lighthearted comedy and get a dark and gritty realistic movie, and this is also what parents believed, I saw at least 3 sets of parents with kids walk out of the theater when it came to the first batman scene and the demonic imagery. Critics also dont like the fact that there is so much religious tones in the movie as they dont know what to say about it so they cant say anything, and as most of them are probably christian they get offended by some of Lex Luthors comments about religion that are often very atheistic and challenge what they want. This movie leaves you thinking and realizing truths most critics went in sort of blind as the only Batman they are familiar with is Adam West or Michael Keaton so that is what they expect with the campy undertones and quirky quips to badguys but that is not who Batman is. and dont even get me started on Superman.
Well you have a point mate. But really, the movie doesn't make any sense. Yeah it is a comic based but there are a lot of things that could be really improved. Their actors were great, they really fit to the characters however the story it wasn't. Okay here's why;
First, warner brothers has a gotham tv series, I thought the story would be the same it happens not. do they really need to tell once again the origin story of Bruce? We all know that mate, right? Maybe he could use it on the next movie ryt? Next thing is when the two policemen is going to enter a place, the bat boomeerang is i dont think in the right place. How did batman threw it there. The dream sequence, I dont get it. Its like they compressed the story to fit in one movie. And one more thing the story that caused Superman and Batman fight is unreasonable. They have powers they could have do it their way, its like the characterisation of Bruce Wayne is not so intellegent as he should be.
Excellent review! Glad I stumbled across your channel! Totally subscribing.
i loved this movie unlike most people and i can't wait for the rest
only critics and die hard marvel fanboys hate this movie other than them everyone loves it
+Esat Saiti likewise
+ARC clone trooper Exactly!!!!!!!!
me too
+Esat Saiti thank you for that. I agree
Actually the whole movie has a "religious" tone to it.
Thanks for all the informative videos! Can't wait for JAL Pt. 1 and Wonder Woman and how they bring back Supe!
After reading so many comments here and on IGN, I feel like I'm in the definite minority in that I like Henry Cavill as Superman. 😕
I like him, Jeremy jahns likes too! I don't actually see why people don't like him.
+Gavin Vales he's fairly wooden and emotionless. that's more the sloppy writing's fault but people always blame the actor first.
he will be resurrected in the Lazarus Pit. HAHA. JK
I've already seen the movie, Charlie but I loved it and I'd really enjoy seeing it in IMAX. You're one of my favorite RUclipsrs man. Keep up the awesome work!
Harry Knowles flip flopped on BvS!!! The haters are realizing this movie is awesome!!! People just wanted to hate on Zack Snyder cuz it's trendy, and people are soooo attached to their hate! It makes them feel all superior because they know they'll never accomplish anything like getting a movie made. Hell, they've probably never even written a short story. LOL The movie has problems, but at times it was transcendent. 9 out of 10.
*Take Superman's body to Stark Tower lol*
+HFC-KillerElite then he'll become The Superi-ron Man!
Best channel for non comic book readers. Helps to understand stuff.
Justice League should not have plot holes like BVS.
+Dhruva Mukhopadhyay Winter Soldier, Age of Ultron, X-Men DOFP all had plot holes. All movies will have them, or plots you don't quite understand
CavemanJesus4Life I mean the slower ones otherwise the movie was good.
Dhruva Mukhopadhyay
They're there, all the time. Sometimes its an error due editing, or they changed the script during the filming.
Which ones concerned you the most?
CavemanJesus4Life One thing they could have done is show Barbara Gordon (Jena Malone).
Otherwise I loved it.
I don't really like the Christ symbolism, and Snyder has a serious obsession with religion and mothers. Creepy.
Thanks for the awesome videos Charlie.
BATMAN V SUPERMAN WAS GREAT
It was alright
+AlphaEon900 for you for me it was amazing
+AlphaEon900 agreed
why no one is talking about the rising dirt at the end of the movie.
Ankush Suryavanshi right? i knew i wasnt the only one that saw that
clear and concise breakdown.. My kind of vid. suscribed
wonder women is basically a good
god*
*goon
+Mayank Rathore you mean hotness ? :>
+Johnn Woodall God? Yes she is, well Demi-God
+Johnn Woodall good?
wut
Did you mean GOD?
batman is the coolest
I enjoy all your videos!!!
why is the movie getting bad reviews I loved it !
I think mainly it's due to the pacing issues and the fact that none of the characters had any real ambition that they pursued with conviction. I personally liked the movie, in particular Ben Affleck was amazing as Batman/Bruce Wayne. The movie was more of a movie for fans than a film made to impress critics. I liked it but it could of been so much more but I'll definitely still see the other DC movies coming out.
The movie was great. I don't trust Rotten Tomatoes anymore. I feel like they just want to be "cool" with these negative reviews.
Also I wouldn't be surprised if Marvel bought out some of those reviewers to give this movie a negative review, it wouldn't be the first time Marvel used scummy PR tactics. Batman V superman is sort of a springboard for starting the whole DC universe and Marvel is gonna want to make sure it never gets off the ground.
That's not how rotten tomatoes works. They don't actually review anything. They just come up with a fresh-rotten percentage based on other reviews.
+Sora744 they probably meant that two. But the reviews were really blown out of proportion calling it a bad superhero movie.
Sanzhar Scoby No I think the proportion was the right size. That movie was really bad.
Revvy That sounds like a conspiracy theory. I don't think Marvel's that worried.
Thank you man for all the information
I liked the movie do not agree with Rotten Tomatoes
Don't criticize me if I'm wrong, not as big on DC as I am with marvel, but flash was the Asian man in the gas station? He was quick and had the Lightning? And aquaman was obviously the guy in the water? He looks nothing like he clean cut blonde comic character to me. And how was the guy with just arms and a torso who got robotic parts? Thanks!
Cyborg
Flash isn't asian neither the actor playing it. Yes in the the water that was Aquaman he is like this cause people like to poke fun at hin saying he is useless when he is on ground but that is false he is strong in the ground and even more stronger in the water the dude can controll like all the planet if he wants to since he controlls all seas and sea creatures he can make a huge war on humanity so they make him more badass looking for people to stop judging him. The other dude was Victor Stone aka Cyborg another badass iconic character he can controll all the internet like Ultron but he is more Badass
That's Cyborg, the actor who played him went to my High School
I'm not shitting you he went to Haddon Heights High School in South Jersey
+Bodacious T that's awesome! Have u met him?
ViolateAHS unfortunately not, he graduated right when I came in, my friend got to meet him cuz his dad got to teach him (his dad's a teacher so he has to call him Professor Dad)
So cool. Thanks for these videos
Awesome video, hope they do it the old fashioned way you know
Dudes, you can hear Superman's heartbeat at the end at least twice... like a few seconds apart from each other.
I have my own theory how things might play out; I think that, given the end of Batman v Superman when the dirt levitates, it will be revealed that he actually survived but stayed in exile due to the reuccuring shit with the media and the public hating him whenever he tries to be this beacon of hope but always ends up creating more collateral damage and more drame. So if he was to "die" and the world would hail him a hero forever, he could stay "dead" so that the idea of "Superman" won't be tainted, which I feel they sorta setup with the whole "Superman was never real" scene. And how they could adapt that into the story would be that once the Justice League are assemble and they're facing Darkseid for the first time, they become heavily overpowered and Superman reveals himself. Afterward, that scenario really opens the door for a lot of discussions of morality and also the premise of "Death of Superman" arc was "what would the word be like without Superman" and with the world needing him the most now, it would be a really cool scene to see Superman come back from the "dead" and lead the Justice League against Darkseid. Another theory I'v been thinking is that Batman has been researching resurection (possibly could involve a League of Assassins scene) in the hopes that he can save Superman, a scenario where they could also tease some Jason Todd stuff. And when he finally meets Green Lantern he tells him of why he's forming the Justice League in Superman's absense and Hal could be like "i thought he only faked his death" (as the power ring can detect alien species) and that's where they encountet that Superman is either in self-exile again (unlikely as it's been done twice in the dceu) or that he's simply returned to live simple life with Martha and Lois in Smallville, free from the fears of rejection (which could tie into Jonathan Kent's fears from Man of Steel) and really give a 3-point arc from Man of Steel - Batman v Superman - Justice League.
ur fast when u don't have nobody hitting u, but once u feel that first hit u ain't going to worry bout how fast u is but how fast u can run
1:50 is it a Jonny Bravo in the background?
In MoS "DVD" extras they said that the Kryptonian ship was the fortress of solitude.
The way you explain it was awesome
Thanks 4 all U do. Fun and informative
Great channel. new subscriber. keep it up
love the video, not all the way dead seems like the best way, maybe a scene of stirring from the casket...
Nice analysis :)
4:00 there are only 6 heroes, but there are 7 founding members of the justice league, this missing link being green lantern. However, the cyborg wasn't on the first team, martian manhunter was. do you think that with the green lantern movie being such a bust they will bring the martian into this universe? or do you think they will just leave him and hawk girl alone because of the tv shows?
what if the dirt floating up at the end is actually like an alien ship that is going to lift up the whole casket
Great vid👌🏻
great video as always
OK, I think batman will click his Ruby red stilettos together and wish Superman back to life.
charlie you explained it perfectly
thanks
The trailers did trick us. Batman never said "I'm getting slow in my old age Alfred" during the movie.
"He's not all dead, he's just mostly dead... Gotta get him to a Miracle Max."
(Think it'll work? It would take a miracle! HAVE FUN STORMING THE CASTLE!) *waves*
Clark saved the ring for his mom to give to Lois in Smallville. He knew she would probably only go to Smallville for something like his "death". If you look, the ring is in the hand she uses to pick up dirt and put on his casket, which leads me to believe there's something in the ring able to revive him. When the Flash said Lois is the key, he meant the key to reviving Clark
+Icy illness O_O
+Mark Cleveland exactly. I was only talking about part of what the flash said, not all of it
+Icy illness oh ok sorry
+Mark Cleveland no biggie
That painting interprets aliens that's gonna attack earth
In the end of Batman V Superman, the dirt on Superman's grave rises.
At the end of bvs the dirt on his coffin starts to float up at the end which means that he never died at all
I know how Superman will be resurrected, darksied resurrects him and later lois is the key to remove the darkness from him
and the quote you were always right about him is about batman trusting superman, and fear him is related to darkseid.
+Prasad Loke Yooo dudeee this was the best theory ever holy shit... This needs more likes!
Leyna Thanks, I have many theories
free to ask anything
You are right
You help me understand these movies better!
Thank you so much for this!
The Angel/Demon painting on Lex's wall looks like it could be by Vance Kovacs. It looks like his style and he's listed as an illustrator in the movie's production credits.
Remember at the end where the dust floated? Isn't that a sign he was about to burst out, flying up to the sun? I'm pretty sure it was like that in Man of Steel. Maybe it wasn't literal but it seemed like that to me. Maybe it was just a way to show he was alive to average fans. Most of my knowledge on comics and superheroes are based off you tubers, movies and speculation so it's not to be taken that seriously