Hands down the best review and comparison of these lenses. Great presentation, no filler, to the point, and all the points were useful and what I was looking for. Thank you!
Main reason most havent bought the 2.8 yet is because generally, the F4 is fine and if youre gonna drop the 2k on a Z mount lens it should be for the 70-200......whenever that day comes
I'm definitely in that boat. Nikon had announced that they were going to launch the 70-200mm f/2.8 S before the end of the year (2019), but slim chance of that happening now. I feel like 70-200 is a much better zoom range and who knows how much it's going to cost.
@@darekm6859 for sure not but if your focus is on landscape and not that much on portraits where you gonna need the f2.8 to get nice bookeh, you'll be fine with the f4
RUclips recommendation brought me here, thankfully. I'm thinking of switching from APS-C Sony to Nikon and your review brings me closer to Nikon. Subscribed. Keep up the good work.
I absolutely love the way that you present content. You have a very unique style that's just so friendly, refreshing and draws me right in. The videos just seem so warm and interesting. I could watch them for hours :D
This was an excellent and instructive video. You get to the point straight away, no self-aggrandizement or filler - no time wasted, just good information.
Thanks for taking the time to do this. I’ve been on the fence about which way to go here, Z6 with the f4 kit, or just the body and the 2.8. You gave me some solid info as well as practical application examples. Loved it and subscribed.
Your speaking is one of the best i have heard , besides the information , your talk is precise and clear , which is lacking in some other you tube videos . you keep the viewer engaged very well due to this fact . greetings from down under .
I just purchased the 24-70 f2.8 S lens this afternoon as well as the 14-24 f2.8 S lens. Thank you for your thoughtful review. It has confirmed my decision.
Wow, the best video you’ve yet produced, professional, informative, succinct, interesting, and superlative photos. Beyond that I’ve never seen you look more peaceful, relaxed, beautiful. Bravo young lady, well done for certain. Cheers.
Nikon's designers did something right with the Z cameras. The Z6 and Z7 feel so good in the hand, it's amazing. I tried the Z6 with the 24-70 f2.8 and it felt surprisingly good, even though I'm primarily a Leica M and Panasonic GH shooter for stills and video respectively. Based on feel alone, I can imagine using this camera with a lot of pleasure.
Great review, thank you, Leigh! I have the 2.8 on a Z6. It’s perfect for all the situations I find myself in with portraits, events and corporate head shots. I don’t usually have the space to use a 70-200, but if I do I’ll use my fav (older) 80-200 2.8 on my D750. But that’s rare since I’ve been shooting the 24-70 2.8. It’s addicting. No regrets on the cost, it’s paid for itself many times over.
I stumbled upon your video when searching RUclips for videos about the Nikon Z 24-70mm f/2.8 that I'd just purchased. The f/2.8 aperture is a must for my type of photography, shooting concert in low light situations.
Thank you so much for this review. After I watched the part where you are showing how smoothly and noiselessly focus works, I decided to buy the lens. It really is an amazing piece of glass. Keep up the good work!
I appreciate your thoughts on this lens. I already own the f/4 S lens, but still ponder buying the 2.8 S and taking the $$$ hit--even after watching this video several times! Leigh, I'll probably view it again before making up my mind. Thank you for your considerable insights.
Jeezus, this new lens on that Z is such a work of art. I know everyone is nuts about SONY, but aesthetically and ergonomically these Nikons are in a different league!!
These new nikons are all rip-offs. Seriously, all that plastic for all those $$$?! I shoot plenty of nikon pro lenses and have fluffed around with the z-mount ones, but am not even going to consider getting them unless nikon tosses them to me for free (which they won't, particularly after I blasted the 24-70 kit lens NPS gave me on loan previously). The light weight is nice though.
@@grootbatavia I know this replay is kinda late but dude, it doesn't need to be made from metal to be good. Older 24-70 2.8G have problem with zoom. A lot of people complain that the zoom is not smooth and got stuck eventually. Mine from time to time especially in rainy days at events, zoom was not very smooth. Other days was fine. Now i'm using 2.8S and is lighter, a little bit compact and has a better performance.
@@GeorgeUrsan good morning George, I'm not knocking optical performance, 8 know it's good. That said, I like lenses that feel like they are build to last. A lot of my work is in remote locations and I can not afford to have something go bad. Once my 300mm 4 pf went out in the bush and it took NPS over the weeks to get me a replacement.
@@grootbatavia Of course it needs to be reliable as far as build quality, but like i said, G version is prone to go bad because of stuck zoom ring. it only needs a small hit in the front, that's why i thought. Anyway that's my opinion. I'm just trying to spread my experience with the Z.
It really depends on your type of photography. For landscapes, which is what I'm doing, the f4 is the lens I would go for. It's light and smaller and the image quality is just as good. Ricci Talks has compared the two lenses and zooming in at 2:1 there is a slight difference in sharpness. But no one will ever notice that unless you print very, very, very, very large. All of this is not a concern yet for me because I still shoot DSLR... yes I love my D850 :-)
I use a f/2.8 and don't mind the extra weight. I got so used to it, I don't even feel it anymore. It's always nice having that extra stop when you need it.
I'm coming from the Fuji Line which was a 24mb system. While going to the Z system I was trying to keep my lense inventory to a minimum. I do NOT produce large prints, and actually most of my pics go into either books or social media. I've found that the z 24-70mm f2.8 produce 98 percent of the shots that I need. I might be a little spoiled not have a 90mm for portraits, but going from 24mb to 45 plus - I have ample room for cropping. I've been with the Z system for almost a year now, and the only other lense that I have is the z 35mm f1.8. This would be my street, low light, indoor lense. I'm happy with the hole system. Looking forward to try out either lense with some astrophotos this upcoming November. Keep up the good work, I enjoy watching the experiences that you are sharing.
I mainly purchased my 24-70 2.8 because I wanted the extra stop for low-light shooting, and because it does edge out the f/4 lens in the corners on high-res bodies like the Z7. It was a big upgrade, but I'm glad I did it (sold the f/4 lens for about $450 and luckily I got the 2.8 version while it was on sale last year for about $300 off, so $2000). For me, I like the LCD on the lens, partially because it gives you a focus scale (the one in-camera is not very useful) and if I want to shoot at a specific FL, I don't have to guess. I've found on some lenses that sometimes, for example, 50mm is not directly at 50mm and might be a hair to the left or right of the marking. Granted I don't go nuts about this, but if someone wanted to get, say, a 35mm shot, it's easier with the window to make sure that you're are spot on at 35mm. But again, yes, the focus scale can be helpful either for landscape or astrophotography. The f/4 is a decent lens for what it is, and for probably 3/4 of the people who buy it, it will be fine.
God your review was so refreshing. Very elaborate and addressed pretty much every thing I could think of. Great examples, and beautiful shots. Really helpful
Thank you for making this video!!! This is exactly the information I was looking for. I'm happy keeping my old fmount 24-70 2.8 for the wider aperture and the kit lens for weight benefits and convenience.
I got the 2.8 version because I will be travelling with it and didn’t want to switch lenses but still wanted to have a reasonably bright lens. For normal use, I think the f4 version + 1 or 2 f1.8 primes is a better solution.
Appreciate your review of these lenses! Nicely done. At 8:06 you mentioned the use of the FTZ adapter with the G lens reduces the Z6 to only use PDAF for focusing. I have been unable to find any source for that comment and was hoping you could point me in the right direction. Your comment sounds counterintuitive because all focusing is accomplished on the Z sensor so the FTZ adapter should have no influence.
An excellent review! You get to the tradeoffs between lenses that are just what I have been agonizing about since the 24-70 f/2.8 came out. I'm still on the edge but teetering toward the 2.8. Thanks!?
Although I have a significant degree of GAS, I'm sticking with the Z 24-70 f/4.0 S on my Z6 for two reasons. First and most persuasive is the price. It just seems so out of balance with anything I would do with the lens. Second, after extensive outings with the Z 35mm f/1.8 S, I find that shallow depth of field is actually often a problem for me in that I want more of the frame in focus by default, and so if I am going to stop down to 4.0 or narrower, what's the point? The f/4.0 does that, of course, by default, and I have no problem shooting wide open with that lens. I do carry the Z 35mm f/1.8 S (and sometimes also the 50mm f/1.8 G with the FTZ adaptor). I have also found that with the IBIS in the Z6, in all but the darkest situations I can handhold the camera and get acceptable results with F mount f/3.5 to 5.6 lenses on the FTZ adaptor, and certainly with the 50mm f/1.8 G. But still, it's definitely the price that keeps me on the sidelines of the f/2.8, so thanks for your report of your experiences with it.
Hi, I see that this review was completed a number of years ago. Regardless, although I was a Nikon shooter for many, many years, I did leave in 2015 for M4/3rds and Panasonic Lumix. I'm more or else back with the new Z6II and Z7II, but both camera kits camer with the 24-70 F4. Yes, I still have all my Nikkor F mount lenses, but slowly I want to have more Z mount lenses. Your review was very interesting and helpful to me. The years that have past since thus review was completed do not mean anything as the facts you offer are the same. I will eventually purchase the 24-70 F2.8 as well as the 70-200 F2.8 and an extender. Your photos of Bryce Canyon (I think) are beautuful as well as Zion (I assume). Your approach to making your informative reviews is very much appreciated. When I do decide to buy the 2.8 version, you'll get my vote through Amazon. Great work. Thanks! 📷 🙏 👍 😃 🤩
Another good unbiased video. Like you I have all three lens and really like them all. Since I’m still shooting my D850 and 810 along with my Z6 my F mount 2.8 is still a staple in my kit and is amazing. The F4 S lens is great for personal, causal shooting and run and gun work, you just can’t beat the size and weight. The new 2.8 S lens is superb, I use this for all my professional video work and photos shoots on the Z6, my photo shoot kit now consists of the Z6 with then 2.8 S lens and the D850 with a 70-200 2.8 F lens. I’m really looking forward to the 70-200 2.8 S and the high end Z body when they are released. Again thanks for the good review 😊📷👍🏾
In the photo sequence near the end, there are some errors in reported settings. At least one shot said it was F/2, another said 7mm, another was at ISO 6. I dont think the lens/camera can achieve those values.
I bought my Z6 as a kit with the F4. It is a great lens. But I couldn't believe how much sharper the F/2.8 was. Also I wanted to shoot astrophotography and so I coughed up the money for the F/2.8. I have not been disappointed.
I can not say the same, Just bought the 2.8 and it has an absolutely magic to it in terms you carry the best these is BUT I think the f4 will do the same job for me especially when using high f stops.
It's definitely noticeably sharper ... and the subject separation is much better. Things POP with the 2.8s while they may look a lot more ordinary with the f4 ...
I myself am actually using the new Tamron G2 lenses with the Z6 with great results. Not to mention that the price is right. Got the tamron 70-200 f2.8 G2 for about $1300, which is half of the price of the equivalent nikon F lens, with no real difference in quality (unless you are a serious pixel peeper). Now Z mount lenses might be a different story, but it has yet to be released so :) Tamron is a good 3rd party alternative if you want to save some bucks. NOTE: not all tamron lenses have compatibility with the Z cameras. And those who do, need a firmware update (tap-in module) before they work 100%. If you're a manual shooter you shouldn't have any troubles either way.
The F2.8S lens definetly shines in low light. As a videographer I use the 24-70 F2.8 lens during the dinner & speeches of the wedding ceremony then I change over to the 14-24 F2.8 lens during the opne dance portion of the wedding ceremony to capture really great footage in extremely low light.
Excellent report, many thanks for this. Loved the way you explained both the lenses and their uses with the cameras and demonstrated this with actual photos and video. This has been very useful for me - thanks.
Hi Leigh, really found this vlog very useful as it created discussions in my heard, I have the FX 2.8 VR & thinking of moving from my D850 to the Z8 body so might save up for the 2.8 24-70 as this is what i'm used to. Thank you again for the information, very much appreciated.
Ironically, I just bought the Sony 24-70mm 2.8 G-master lens earlier today, and then I find this video. I've been a "prime lenses only" kinda guy for a while, but I started shooting concerts / live music events and I'm getting tired of changing lens one-handedly in dark venues. 2 minutes into playing with the lens, I was already happy with my purchase. The AF speed is far faster than the wide-aperture primes I had been shooting with on my a7RIII.
Keep this up. Exceptional explanation. This has made me make the correct choices after my long loved canon failed after 15 years hard and abusive work. What can be better than a well spoken photogenic female who knows what she talking about. Thankyou for your time.
When doing architecture or landscape shootings my 24-70 F4 is Perfect. For Portraits I use the 50 mm F 1,8 which gives a nice bokeh. I am still waiting for the 85mm F1;8. Thx for your good Video, your nice smile and clear pronounciation which made it easy to Unterstand you very well. Martin living in Germany. 😀👍
Thanks for your thoughts on the 24-70. When I purchased my Z cameras it included a 24-70 f/4 then later I picked up the 24-70 f/2.8 S. I originally thought I would sell my f/4 S lens but now I decided to keep both. I love taking the f/4 out when I do not wish to be burdened by the weight. I sold my legacy f mount 24-70 f/2.8 lens.
one tip, if you want VR in this focal range use the 24-85 VR 3.5-4.5 lens, it's got a variable max aperture; However it has VR, so can add this to the body VR as you say in the video.
Video helps a bit, particularly those who don't have a full set of FX lenses and are transitioning from Nikon DSLR, or those just looking to buy a Z body factoring in whether to buy the F4 kit for an extra $600, or to just use that towards the $2,300 F2.8. Definitely the 24-70mm of choice, but that additional $1,700 is a tough sell for anyone who isn't using it for professional work.
As a lens in the kit, for $600 it is a bargain and can be sold later for that once the kit discount goes way. I really enjoy my f/4 and its performance compared to the G and E 2.8 F mounts I have. For the weight, size and optical performance it is hard to beat at that price. My walking around sling bag has a SB900, Z6, 24-70 f/4 and a prime, depended on where I am going...50 1.8 S(Sharpest lens I have ever used) or my smallest 85 which is the 1.8G. For paid work I am still using mostly F lenses but saving for the Z mount 70-200 2.8 S that is due this fall. By that time I will add the Z7 to replace the D850 for high res work. Everything that does not need those file sizes is shot with the Z6.
Curious to see what the kit lens will be going for as more Z users sell them. The notion that most Z users will eventually buy the F2.8 seems unlikely, given the price/target market. Although with a $1,000 MSRP, it's hard to imagine a used sample going for much less than the original add on cost of $600, assuming in like-new condition. Performance-wise, the DXO tests place it on par with the 2.8 F mount lenses, likely due to the reduced flange distance, redesigned elements, new coatings, etc. Pretty impressive for a kit lens although how much of that has to do with the inherent advantages of the larger mount diameter and reduced back element/sensor distance one has to wonder. Between that the the noise of the AF-S motors, about the only thing the old F glass has going for it as adapted lenses is the build quality. One stop of light alone doesn't really merit going the adapted route although everyone has their priorities.
24-70/2.8 S must be an excellent lens but frightfully expensive. I am more than Happy with f 4 lens. I would have liked a 24-120 / f 4 S lens from Nikon. Would have fulfilled most of the photography & VDO requirements without changing the lens & exposing the sensor to dust & dirt. To me Nikon is safe guarding their own DSLR camera & lenses against Mirrorless.
My main justification for the new f2.8 lens would be for event / conference photography where light is low and shutter speeds can’t go too low on people. But having the latest G version makes the expense of the S lens very hard to accept, especially as I have the f4 S lens. Maybe something for the future
It's just simply too expensive right now. I have the same issue as you, but if it were half the price I'd be on it. I need my f4 for street stuff and everyday carrying. I love that little lens so much.
Both the f/4 and the f/2.8 have quite non-linear vignetting in the corners. Not a problem due to in-camera correction - unless you have the slimmest of filters on the lens. Then, 24mm and 70mm become unusable at f/4 for certain shots, unless you want to spend lots of time calibrating layers of radial masks on top of your image. With the f/2.8 lens, that kind of vignetting is still present at f/2.8, but it usually does not matter for images taken at f/2.8. At f/4, things are much improved, and the issue disappears at f/5.6 (when you often have the best combination of sharpness and depth of field for landscapes).
A potential huge advantage of rhe F 2.8 is better low light photography. Is there a substantial difference? Does rhe difference help justify tjr additional cost?
Great video. I just bought a Nikon Z6 with the 24-70mm f/2.8 S with the 3.o software version.It's fantastic. Question: Which settings are you using when you do the noiseless test where you disappear and the focus automatically comes back to normal when you reappear? I know it's basic but I'd love to know exactly which setting it is. Thank You so much. I love your videos.
I’m glad you mentioned the focus issue with the G lens. I shot an event over the weekend with the Z6 and the adapted G. I definitely noticed soft focus. It was aggravating.
Thank you for this very informative comparison. I have the f4 S version, but I don't think I'll be pulling the trigger on the 2.8 as I don't need the wider aperture, or the extra size and weight. Like you, I don't much care for carrying around my 2.8G lens. I'd really love Nikon to bring out the 70-200 mm f4 S, as that would make a great landscape and portrait lens. Is that a new hairstyle? I love it. As a long-term follower of your channel, I think you (and Raymond) get better looking as time goes by.
Your questions are really soul searching. I'm a consumer / enthusiast. I do appreciate the sharpness of the better lenses, but I am not in a position to invest in the top end of the lenses. For me, I think the F4s will have to suffice, but I do want to buy some primes like the 50 mm f/1.8 and the 85mm. I also want the a 14 to 30. :-)
I own a 24-70 f2.8S and was hesitant before buying it but it turned out to be the best decision... The quality is phenomenal and you dont need to take it off its a perfect all rounder...
This was once again an informative review. That's what I like you for. The 24-70 f/2.8 is a great piece of pure joy. I love it and your reports. Please more of it. great from Berlin Frank
I think having the added extra stop for low light is an added benefit am between whether I should keep the f4 as well, you brought up valid points, use case certainly is a big factor. But am loving my 2.8
I'm new to photography as a serious hobby and have chosen the Panasonic FZ1000 as my camera of choice, the 4k video is for wildlife, what tips could you offer for my other interest, landscapes, in particular the longer exposure shots, are these type of shots possible with my equipment, I am looking at various filters and other you tubers for info. Can't find anything about the FZ1000 on your channel yet or is it there and i've missed it. Great channel and thanks for all the tips i've gleaned so far.
Love the 24-70mm lens, although my budget only allowed for me to get the cheaper Tamron :) Great all around lens to go along with my Nikon nifty 50mm 1.8 lens, and I feel prepared for almost all shooting conditions! Thanks for this video!...
Brilliant video, during your main commentary video in the woods you was using the f2.8 lens to show depth of field, could you show a comparison at f4 to show the difference even the same lens at f4. I can not justify the cost of the f2.8. Thanks a lot.
That 2.8 is like one of the sharpest lens I’ve ever seen tested, however I’d prefer the 15-30 if this was a kit option, I dont know why but I love shooting 15,16,17m.... but the f4 would fit 80% of most enthusiasts. And now the Z deals come with the ftz adapter. Just borrow or get a prime for portraits or Astro.
I didn't notice the "S" in the title and was hoping for Tamron/Sigma/Nikon comparison - but nonetheless a helpful and thorough review I'll definitely get back to when buying a Z-Mount some years in the future.
Some other reviews mention substantial sharpness difference between this new Zlens and the F mount f/2.8 24-70. It’s interesting to hear you don’t think it’s substantial.
Just for clarification, using the “Pinpoint” single focusing square invokes Contrast Detect Auto Focus (CDAF) with both native S-Mount lenses as well as F-Mount lenses coupled with the FTZ adapter. Using the “Pinpoint” AF square removes the option for Phase Detect Auto Focus (PDAF) from the Z cameras. I am in the process of copying my archive of 49 years of slides using the Nikon 60mm f/2.8G Micro NIKKOR lens, the FTZ Adapter and the Nikon ES-2 film Digitizing Adapter. I am using the “Pinpoint” AF point to maximize focus accuracy by having the camera focus on the surface of the slide film using CDAF. As we know, CDAF is slower but more accurate than PDAF. At a 1:1 magnification, focus accuracy is critical, hence the need for CDAF.
Did you switch over to mirrorless 100% or are you still shooting DSLR? I am shooting D850 D500 and I still love my trusty D600. Im thinking I will wait for Nikon to really get mirrored down I shoot allot of Video and landscapes. And can navigate the Bodies I have.. also id you did switch WHY? My thing is if Nikon dont really get the mirrorless down I will go FujiFilm and us an adapter becauee I have allot of glass
Hi Leigh the video was exactly what I needed I just got the 70-200z and was thinking about dropping my 24-70 f4 z for the 24-70f2.8 z and I think that’s exactly why I will do thanks for a great video , explained every thing I was asking my self with out jargon And tbh much better than Jared p did , moving away from his videos so I’ll be watching more of yours thanks again Neil
Hi Leigh, I always enjoy your videos. You do a wonderful job and I trust what you say! You come across as being very sincere, unbiased, professional and conscientious. Great channel! I believe that the amount of Axis stabilization is only 3 when you mount an F mount lens, with VR, to the Z camera body. I think the only time you get 5 Axis is with a native S lens. Thanks again for your content! Best to you, Rick
minecraftdaltons hi, thanks for the reply😊. I’ve used f mount vr lenses with the Z7 and while the vr does work I find it much better with the native S lenses. Take care, Rick
Funny thing is, on the first images at the end you are showing, there is obv no need for the 2.8 S - only shooting above f4. So i think how i approch the scene here is: do i need 2.8 for landscape? not really. But considering more images showing people lets say in action like on a wedding, any sort of portrait shooting where u need this 2.8 for smooth background separation, for me it makes more sense. but maybe get slightly closer to the subject and remain with f4? i dont know. fact for me: struggeling so hard getting the 2.8 and replace the f4 opens my eyes and show me that i dont need 2.8 for 24-70.
When photographing aurora borealis I try to use as short speed as possible.. between 1-6 sec`s, and for that to work I need a faster lens. This way I can keep the iso lower! I have got all 3 lenses and love the new f2.8 S!
Great video and comments! About what you said that the FTZ adapter can use only phase detect and not contrast detect, I'd love to know whether that is documented somewhere or how could I verify it?
Hands down the best review and comparison of these lenses. Great presentation, no filler, to the point, and all the points were useful and what I was looking for. Thank you!
Main reason most havent bought the 2.8 yet is because generally, the F4 is fine and if youre gonna drop the 2k on a Z mount lens it should be for the 70-200......whenever that day comes
I share the same opinion, happy with the f4... let's get the 70-200, gonna be a beast
I'm definitely in that boat. Nikon had announced that they were going to launch the 70-200mm f/2.8 S before the end of the year (2019), but slim chance of that happening now. I feel like 70-200 is a much better zoom range and who knows how much it's going to cost.
@@shaggy.patches you are completely right, I think it'll be around 2000€ (or at least I hope so...) hard enough to afford as a student!
@@darekm6859 for sure not but if your focus is on landscape and not that much on portraits where you gonna need the f2.8 to get nice bookeh, you'll be fine with the f4
It's coming! Nikon is making the best 70-200 2.8 ever.
RUclips recommendation brought me here, thankfully. I'm thinking of switching from APS-C Sony to Nikon and your review brings me closer to Nikon. Subscribed. Keep up the good work.
I absolutely love the way that you present content. You have a very unique style that's just so friendly, refreshing and draws me right in. The videos just seem so warm and interesting. I could watch them for hours :D
This was an excellent and instructive video. You get to the point straight away, no self-aggrandizement or filler - no time wasted, just good information.
The best video i‘ve seen about 24-70 2.8 - thank so much! Great job!
Thanks for taking the time to do this. I’ve been on the fence about which way to go here, Z6 with the f4 kit, or just the body and the 2.8. You gave me some solid info as well as practical application examples. Loved it and subscribed.
Your speaking is one of the best i have heard , besides the information , your talk is precise and clear , which is lacking in some other you tube videos . you keep the viewer engaged very well due to this fact . greetings from down under .
i live in the north of norway i need the 2.8 for the daytime in the winter :-)
I just purchased the 24-70 f2.8 S lens this afternoon as well as the 14-24 f2.8 S lens.
Thank you for your thoughtful review. It has confirmed my decision.
Wow, the best video you’ve yet produced, professional, informative, succinct, interesting, and superlative photos. Beyond that I’ve never seen you look more peaceful, relaxed, beautiful. Bravo young lady, well done for certain. Cheers.
You described it well Steve, She really did look calm and serene, in her voice and appearance.
Love my Nikon 24-70 f/2.8 S with the Z7.
Love the SnapChick. Best reviews.
What is the snapchick?
The best use for the electronic window is to show off.
I've never seen a lens with this feature IRL, but in videos it looks cool.
Doesn’t the electronic window also show depth of field range?
I'm sure eventually you'd find a use for it. But right now, I'm not using it either. But yes, in person, it's a nice detail of the aesthetic ...
Nikon's designers did something right with the Z cameras. The Z6 and Z7 feel so good in the hand, it's amazing. I tried the Z6 with the 24-70 f2.8 and it felt surprisingly good, even though I'm primarily a Leica M and Panasonic GH shooter for stills and video respectively. Based on feel alone, I can imagine using this camera with a lot of pleasure.
Great review, thank you, Leigh!
I have the 2.8 on a Z6. It’s perfect for all the situations I find myself in with portraits, events and corporate head shots. I don’t usually have the space to use a 70-200, but if I do I’ll use my fav (older) 80-200 2.8 on my D750. But that’s rare since I’ve been shooting the 24-70 2.8. It’s addicting. No regrets on the cost, it’s paid for itself many times over.
I stumbled upon your video when searching RUclips for videos about the Nikon Z 24-70mm f/2.8 that I'd just purchased.
The f/2.8 aperture is a must for my type of photography, shooting concert in low light situations.
I'm a Japanese.
Thank you for a very nice review!
Really helpful review and beautiful choice of music for your slideshow at the end! August Wilhelmsson!! 👏🏻✨
Thank you so much for this review. After I watched the part where you are showing how smoothly and noiselessly focus works, I decided to buy the lens. It really is an amazing piece of glass. Keep up the good work!
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I appreciate your thoughts on this lens. I already own the f/4 S lens, but still ponder buying the 2.8 S and taking the $$$ hit--even after watching this video several times! Leigh, I'll probably view it again before making up my mind. Thank you for your considerable insights.
Jeezus, this new lens on that Z is such a work of art. I know everyone is nuts about SONY, but aesthetically and ergonomically these Nikons are in a different league!!
These new nikons are all rip-offs. Seriously, all that plastic for all those $$$?! I shoot plenty of nikon pro lenses and have fluffed around with the z-mount ones, but am not even going to consider getting them unless nikon tosses them to me for free (which they won't, particularly after I blasted the 24-70 kit lens NPS gave me on loan previously). The light weight is nice though.
@@grootbatavia hmmm interesting... I didn't know they had so much plastic in them...!!
@@grootbatavia I know this replay is kinda late but dude, it doesn't need to be made from metal to be good. Older 24-70 2.8G have problem with zoom. A lot of people complain that the zoom is not smooth and got stuck eventually. Mine from time to time especially in rainy days at events, zoom was not very smooth. Other days was fine. Now i'm using 2.8S and is lighter, a little bit compact and has a better performance.
@@GeorgeUrsan good morning George, I'm not knocking optical performance, 8 know it's good. That said, I like lenses that feel like they are build to last. A lot of my work is in remote locations and I can not afford to have something go bad. Once my 300mm 4 pf went out in the bush and it took NPS over the weeks to get me a replacement.
@@grootbatavia Of course it needs to be reliable as far as build quality, but like i said, G version is prone to go bad because of stuck zoom ring. it only needs a small hit in the front, that's why i thought. Anyway that's my opinion. I'm just trying to spread my experience with the Z.
It really depends on your type of photography. For landscapes, which is what I'm doing, the f4 is the lens I would go for. It's light and smaller and the image quality is just as good. Ricci Talks has compared the two lenses and zooming in at 2:1 there is a slight difference in sharpness. But no one will ever notice that unless you print very, very, very, very large. All of this is not a concern yet for me because I still shoot DSLR... yes I love my D850 :-)
I use a f/2.8 and don't mind the extra weight. I got so used to it, I don't even feel it anymore. It's always nice having that extra stop when you need it.
I'm coming from the Fuji Line which was a 24mb system. While going to the Z system I was trying to keep my lense inventory to a minimum.
I do NOT produce large prints, and actually most of my pics go into either books or social media. I've found that the z 24-70mm f2.8 produce 98 percent of the shots that I need.
I might be a little spoiled not have a 90mm for portraits, but going from 24mb to 45 plus - I have ample room for cropping.
I've been with the Z system for almost a year now, and the only other lense that I have is the z 35mm f1.8. This would be my street, low light, indoor lense. I'm happy with the hole system. Looking forward to try out either lense with some astrophotos this upcoming November.
Keep up the good work, I enjoy watching the experiences that you are sharing.
I mainly purchased my 24-70 2.8 because I wanted the extra stop for low-light shooting, and because it does edge out the f/4 lens in the corners on high-res bodies like the Z7. It was a big upgrade, but I'm glad I did it (sold the f/4 lens for about $450 and luckily I got the 2.8 version while it was on sale last year for about $300 off, so $2000).
For me, I like the LCD on the lens, partially because it gives you a focus scale (the one in-camera is not very useful) and if I want to shoot at a specific FL, I don't have to guess. I've found on some lenses that sometimes, for example, 50mm is not directly at 50mm and might be a hair to the left or right of the marking. Granted I don't go nuts about this, but if someone wanted to get, say, a 35mm shot, it's easier with the window to make sure that you're are spot on at 35mm. But again, yes, the focus scale can be helpful either for landscape or astrophotography.
The f/4 is a decent lens for what it is, and for probably 3/4 of the people who buy it, it will be fine.
I am moving from a DSLR to a Z6 II and was debating getting the 2.8 but now going with the f/4. Thank you very helpful
God your review was so refreshing. Very elaborate and addressed pretty much every thing I could think of. Great examples, and beautiful shots. Really helpful
Thank you for a balanced , informative review.
First video that actually tested the AF hunting in a video sample. Thanks a lot for that!
Thank you for making this video!!! This is exactly the information I was looking for.
I'm happy keeping my old fmount 24-70 2.8 for the wider aperture and the kit lens for weight benefits and convenience.
I got the 2.8 version because I will be travelling with it and didn’t want to switch lenses but still wanted to have a reasonably bright lens. For normal use, I think the f4 version + 1 or 2 f1.8 primes is a better solution.
Appreciate your review of these lenses! Nicely done. At 8:06 you mentioned the use of the FTZ adapter with the G lens reduces the Z6 to only use PDAF for focusing. I have been unable to find any source for that comment and was hoping you could point me in the right direction. Your comment sounds counterintuitive because all focusing is accomplished on the Z sensor so the FTZ adapter should have no influence.
An excellent review! You get to the tradeoffs between lenses that are just what I have been agonizing about since the 24-70 f/2.8 came out. I'm still on the edge but teetering toward the 2.8. Thanks!?
Although I have a significant degree of GAS, I'm sticking with the Z 24-70 f/4.0 S on my Z6 for two reasons. First and most persuasive is the price. It just seems so out of balance with anything I would do with the lens. Second, after extensive outings with the Z 35mm f/1.8 S, I find that shallow depth of field is actually often a problem for me in that I want more of the frame in focus by default, and so if I am going to stop down to 4.0 or narrower, what's the point? The f/4.0 does that, of course, by default, and I have no problem shooting wide open with that lens. I do carry the Z 35mm f/1.8 S (and sometimes also the 50mm f/1.8 G with the FTZ adaptor). I have also found that with the IBIS in the Z6, in all but the darkest situations I can handhold the camera and get acceptable results with F mount f/3.5 to 5.6 lenses on the FTZ adaptor, and certainly with the 50mm f/1.8 G. But still, it's definitely the price that keeps me on the sidelines of the f/2.8, so thanks for your report of your experiences with it.
Very nice 🤗🤗
Hi, I see that this review was completed a number of years ago. Regardless, although I was a Nikon shooter for many, many years, I did leave in 2015 for M4/3rds and Panasonic Lumix. I'm more or else back with the new Z6II and Z7II, but both camera kits camer with the 24-70 F4. Yes, I still have all my Nikkor F mount lenses, but slowly I want to have more Z mount lenses. Your review was very interesting and helpful to me. The years that have past since thus review was completed do not mean anything as the facts you offer are the same. I will eventually purchase the 24-70 F2.8 as well as the 70-200 F2.8 and an extender. Your photos of Bryce Canyon (I think) are beautuful as well as Zion (I assume). Your approach to making your informative reviews is very much appreciated. When I do decide to buy the 2.8 version, you'll get my vote through Amazon. Great work. Thanks! 📷 🙏 👍 😃 🤩
Great video and very detailed review!
I found a typo @ 14:58, the focal length is wrong :P
Another good unbiased video. Like you I have all three lens and really like them all. Since I’m still shooting my D850 and 810 along with my Z6 my F mount 2.8 is still a staple in my kit and is amazing. The F4 S lens is great for personal, causal shooting and run and gun work, you just can’t beat the size and weight. The new 2.8 S lens is superb, I use this for all my professional video work and photos shoots on the Z6, my photo shoot kit now consists of the Z6 with then 2.8 S lens and the D850 with a 70-200 2.8 F lens. I’m really looking forward to the 70-200 2.8 S and the high end Z body when they are released. Again thanks for the good review 😊📷👍🏾
In the photo sequence near the end, there are some errors in reported settings. At least one shot said it was F/2, another said 7mm, another was at ISO 6. I dont think the lens/camera can achieve those values.
This is an amazing lens. I have the f4 and that is a good lens but this lens is like using a group of primes. I love it.
Thank you! Best review by a few light years!
I bought my Z6 as a kit with the F4. It is a great lens. But I couldn't believe how much sharper the F/2.8 was. Also I wanted to shoot astrophotography and so I coughed up the money for the F/2.8. I have not been disappointed.
I can not say the same, Just bought the 2.8 and it has an absolutely magic to it in terms you carry the best these is BUT I think the f4 will do the same job for me especially when using high f stops.
@@stefannantzyeah untill you shoot in a low light environment
It's definitely noticeably sharper ... and the subject separation is much better. Things POP with the 2.8s while they may look a lot more ordinary with the f4 ...
I myself am actually using the new Tamron G2 lenses with the Z6 with great results. Not to mention that the price is right. Got the tamron 70-200 f2.8 G2 for about $1300, which is half of the price of the equivalent nikon F lens, with no real difference in quality (unless you are a serious pixel peeper). Now Z mount lenses might be a different story, but it has yet to be released so :)
Tamron is a good 3rd party alternative if you want to save some bucks. NOTE: not all tamron lenses have compatibility with the Z cameras. And those who do, need a firmware update (tap-in module) before they work 100%. If you're a manual shooter you shouldn't have any troubles either way.
Remi how’s the autofocus, does the lens makes loud noises in videos?
For quiet videoAF with fmount lens use either a lav mic or a mic that is near you and that is away from the camera.
The F2.8S lens definetly shines in low light. As a videographer I use the 24-70 F2.8 lens during the dinner & speeches of the wedding ceremony then I change over to the 14-24 F2.8 lens during the opne dance portion of the wedding ceremony to capture really great footage in extremely low light.
Excellent report, many thanks for this. Loved the way you explained both the lenses and their uses with the cameras and demonstrated this with actual photos and video. This has been very useful for me - thanks.
Hi Leigh, really found this vlog very useful as it created discussions in my heard, I have the FX 2.8 VR & thinking of moving from my D850 to the Z8 body so might save up for the 2.8 24-70 as this is what i'm used to. Thank you again for the information, very much appreciated.
Ironically, I just bought the Sony 24-70mm 2.8 G-master lens earlier today, and then I find this video. I've been a "prime lenses only" kinda guy for a while, but I started shooting concerts / live music events and I'm getting tired of changing lens one-handedly in dark venues. 2 minutes into playing with the lens, I was already happy with my purchase. The AF speed is far faster than the wide-aperture primes I had been shooting with on my a7RIII.
Keep this up. Exceptional explanation. This has made me make the correct choices after my long loved canon failed after 15 years hard and abusive work. What can be better than a well spoken photogenic female who knows what she talking about. Thankyou for your time.
Tried both, kept the f4 S lens vs the 2.8 because the f4 can focus much closer. That was the decider for me.
When doing architecture or landscape shootings my 24-70 F4 is Perfect.
For Portraits I use the 50 mm F 1,8 which gives a nice bokeh. I am still waiting for the 85mm F1;8.
Thx for your good Video, your nice smile and clear pronounciation which made it easy to Unterstand you very well.
Martin
living in Germany. 😀👍
Thanks for your thoughts on the 24-70. When I purchased my Z cameras it included a 24-70 f/4 then later I picked up the 24-70 f/2.8 S. I originally thought I would sell my f/4 S lens but now I decided to keep both. I love taking the f/4 out when I do not wish to be burdened by the weight. I sold my legacy f mount 24-70 f/2.8 lens.
Thank you, you included a lot of useful information, especially performance with the FTZ adaptor. Great review.
Amazing, informative, articulate review as usual. I am getting this lens tomorrow form my Z7. Thanks!
It's good to know about the FTZ adapter for the focusing system.
Yes it's really useful info that i didn't know before.
Thanks to author!
15:00 The image description says f2 for the night shot of the stars, which I believe is most probably an error, for we are using f2.8 lens.
Main reason I got the 2.8 was indoor basketball. Focus speed,Subject isolation and lower iso with 2.8.
one tip, if you want VR in this focal range use the 24-85 VR 3.5-4.5 lens, it's got a variable max aperture; However it has VR, so can add this to the body VR as you say in the video.
Video helps a bit, particularly those who don't have a full set of FX lenses and are transitioning from Nikon DSLR, or those just looking to buy a Z body factoring in whether to buy the F4 kit for an extra $600, or to just use that towards the $2,300 F2.8. Definitely the 24-70mm of choice, but that additional $1,700 is a tough sell for anyone who isn't using it for professional work.
As a lens in the kit, for $600 it is a bargain and can be sold later for that once the kit discount goes way. I really enjoy my f/4 and its performance compared to the G and E 2.8 F mounts I have. For the weight, size and optical performance it is hard to beat at that price. My walking around sling bag has a SB900, Z6, 24-70 f/4 and a prime, depended on where I am going...50 1.8 S(Sharpest lens I have ever used) or my smallest 85 which is the 1.8G. For paid work I am still using mostly F lenses but saving for the Z mount 70-200 2.8 S that is due this fall. By that time I will add the Z7 to replace the D850 for high res work. Everything that does not need those file sizes is shot with the Z6.
Curious to see what the kit lens will be going for as more Z users sell them. The notion that most Z users will eventually buy the F2.8 seems unlikely, given the price/target market. Although with a $1,000 MSRP, it's hard to imagine a used sample going for much less than the original add on cost of $600, assuming in like-new condition.
Performance-wise, the DXO tests place it on par with the 2.8 F mount lenses, likely due to the reduced flange distance, redesigned elements, new coatings, etc. Pretty impressive for a kit lens although how much of that has to do with the inherent advantages of the larger mount diameter and reduced back element/sensor distance one has to wonder. Between that the the noise of the AF-S motors, about the only thing the old F glass has going for it as adapted lenses is the build quality. One stop of light alone doesn't really merit going the adapted route although everyone has their priorities.
24-70/2.8 S must be an excellent lens but frightfully expensive. I am more than Happy with f 4 lens. I would have liked a 24-120 / f 4 S lens from Nikon. Would have fulfilled most of the photography & VDO requirements without changing the lens & exposing the sensor to dust & dirt.
To me Nikon is safe guarding their own DSLR camera & lenses against Mirrorless.
What an incredible review! Thank you so much! 💓
My main justification for the new f2.8 lens would be for event / conference photography where light is low and shutter speeds can’t go too low on people. But having the latest G version makes the expense of the S lens very hard to accept, especially as I have the f4 S lens. Maybe something for the future
It's just simply too expensive right now. I have the same issue as you, but if it were half the price I'd be on it. I need my f4 for street stuff and everyday carrying. I love that little lens so much.
Exactly. You can shoot in lower light with the f4 by boosting ISO and lowering shutter speed ... but only if your subject insists on not moving lol!
I do a ton of concerts, so I definitely need the lower F-stop. And the noise less focus, is an instant win.
Both the f/4 and the f/2.8 have quite non-linear vignetting in the corners. Not a problem due to in-camera correction - unless you have the slimmest of filters on the lens. Then, 24mm and 70mm become unusable at f/4 for certain shots, unless you want to spend lots of time calibrating layers of radial masks on top of your image. With the f/2.8 lens, that kind of vignetting is still present at f/2.8, but it usually does not matter for images taken at f/2.8. At f/4, things are much improved, and the issue disappears at f/5.6 (when you often have the best combination of sharpness and depth of field for landscapes).
One of the best review i have ever seen.. great job👍
Good One.. Btw u r using which mode for video for autofocus?
A potential huge advantage of rhe F 2.8 is better low light photography. Is there a substantial difference? Does rhe difference help justify tjr additional cost?
Great video. I just bought a Nikon Z6 with the 24-70mm f/2.8 S with the 3.o software version.It's fantastic. Question: Which settings are you using when you do the noiseless test where you disappear and the focus automatically comes back to normal when you reappear? I know it's basic but I'd love to know exactly which setting it is. Thank You so much. I love your videos.
I’m glad you mentioned the focus issue with the G lens. I shot an event over the weekend with the Z6 and the adapted G. I definitely noticed soft focus. It was aggravating.
Thank you for this very informative comparison. I have the f4 S version, but I don't think I'll be pulling the trigger on the 2.8 as I don't need the wider aperture, or the extra size and weight. Like you, I don't much care for carrying around my 2.8G lens. I'd really love Nikon to bring out the 70-200 mm f4 S, as that would make a great landscape and portrait lens.
Is that a new hairstyle? I love it. As a long-term follower of your channel, I think you (and Raymond) get better looking as time goes by.
Your questions are really soul searching. I'm a consumer / enthusiast. I do appreciate the sharpness of the better lenses, but I am not in a position to invest in the top end of the lenses. For me, I think the F4s will have to suffice, but I do want to buy some primes like the 50 mm f/1.8 and the 85mm. I also want the a 14 to 30. :-)
I own a 24-70 f2.8S and was hesitant before buying it but it turned out to be the best decision... The quality is phenomenal and you dont need to take it off its a perfect all rounder...
Being a owner of D7100 with F3.5-f5.6 lens. I really really dig the Full Frame, better than Crop Sensor - especially for photos & videos.
This was once again an informative review. That's what I like you for. The 24-70 f/2.8 is a great piece of pure joy. I love it and your reports. Please more of it. great from Berlin Frank
I am getting this lens for my Nikon Z9 that I just ordered. I will also be using EF canon lens with an adaptor on the camera.
I think having the added extra stop for low light is an added benefit am between whether I should keep the f4 as well, you brought up valid points, use case certainly is a big factor. But am loving my 2.8
Excellent vlog. Calm and informative. Please go on.👍👍👍.
Basic ideas that mean a lot! Thank you for the guidance on filming - and acting. I giggled when you pored the coffee on the bed!
Very informative video! Possibly buying a z6ii+24-70 f2.8 soon so this was very helpful.
I'm new to photography as a serious hobby and have chosen the Panasonic FZ1000 as my camera of choice, the 4k video is for wildlife, what tips could you offer for my other interest, landscapes, in particular the longer exposure shots, are these type of shots possible with my equipment, I am looking at various filters and other you tubers for info. Can't find anything about the FZ1000 on your channel yet or is it there and i've missed it. Great channel and thanks for all the tips i've gleaned so far.
Love the 24-70mm lens, although my budget only allowed for me to get the cheaper Tamron :)
Great all around lens to go along with my Nikon nifty 50mm 1.8 lens, and I feel prepared for almost all shooting conditions! Thanks for this video!...
Thanks for the great review and the awesome photos.
Brilliant video, during your main commentary video in the woods you was using the f2.8 lens to show depth of field, could you show a comparison at f4 to show the difference even the same lens at f4. I can not justify the cost of the f2.8.
Thanks a lot.
Thanks so much for this video ..I now feel the f2.8 is for me..I am used to this configuration over the decades
If buying the Z7ii body now, which S lens - would ge good to have? A 105 macro instead of a second 24-70 seems nice
That 2.8 is like one of the sharpest lens I’ve ever seen tested, however I’d prefer the 15-30 if this was a kit option, I dont know why but I love shooting 15,16,17m.... but the f4 would fit 80% of most enthusiasts. And now the Z deals come with the ftz adapter. Just borrow or get a prime for portraits or Astro.
I didn't notice the "S" in the title and was hoping for Tamron/Sigma/Nikon comparison - but nonetheless a helpful and thorough review I'll definitely get back to when buying a Z-Mount some years in the future.
Some other reviews mention substantial sharpness difference between this new Zlens and the F mount f/2.8 24-70. It’s interesting to hear you don’t think it’s substantial.
Just for clarification, using the “Pinpoint” single focusing square invokes Contrast Detect Auto Focus (CDAF) with both native S-Mount lenses as well as F-Mount lenses coupled with the FTZ adapter. Using the “Pinpoint” AF square removes the option for Phase Detect Auto Focus (PDAF) from the Z cameras. I am in the process of copying my archive of 49 years of slides using the Nikon 60mm f/2.8G Micro NIKKOR lens, the FTZ Adapter and the Nikon ES-2 film Digitizing Adapter. I am using the “Pinpoint” AF point to maximize focus accuracy by having the camera focus on the surface of the slide film using CDAF. As we know, CDAF is slower but more accurate than PDAF. At a 1:1 magnification, focus accuracy is critical, hence the need for CDAF.
True! And I do love that pinpoint autofocus for shallow depth of field work!
I always feel the f2.8 on these 24-70mm lens best benefit the 70 end giving you a portrait separation option.
Did you switch over to mirrorless 100% or are you still shooting DSLR? I am shooting D850 D500 and I still love my trusty D600. Im thinking I will wait for Nikon to really get mirrored down I shoot allot of Video and landscapes. And can navigate the Bodies I have.. also id you did switch WHY? My thing is if Nikon dont really get the mirrorless down I will go FujiFilm and us an adapter becauee I have allot of glass
The quiet focusing of the S 2.8 lens was impressive. Is it the same for the f4 lens?
I have the f4 s and f2.8s and, for me, there is ABSOLUTELY a noticaeable sharpness difference between the two lenses.
Soooo precise and complete review worth it 👍
Hi Leigh the video was exactly what I needed I just got the 70-200z and was thinking about dropping my 24-70 f4 z for the 24-70f2.8 z and I think that’s exactly why I will do thanks for a great video , explained every thing I was asking my self with out jargon
And tbh much better than Jared p did , moving away from his videos so I’ll be watching more of yours thanks again Neil
Thanks for this! I’m very interested in this lens and I’m glad that you posted this. Always love your videos❤️
Hi Leigh, I always enjoy your videos. You do a wonderful job and I trust what you say! You come across as being very sincere, unbiased, professional and conscientious. Great channel! I believe that the amount of Axis stabilization is only 3 when you mount an F mount lens, with VR, to the Z camera body. I think the only time you get 5 Axis is with a native S lens. Thanks again for your content! Best to you, Rick
minecraftdaltons hi, thanks for the reply😊. I’ve used f mount vr lenses with the Z7 and while the vr does work I find it much better with the native S lenses. Take care, Rick
My fav Review you’ve done so far.. great one keeeeeeeeep them coming plz :)
Funny thing is, on the first images at the end you are showing, there is obv no need for the 2.8 S - only shooting above f4. So i think how i approch the scene here is: do i need 2.8 for landscape? not really. But considering more images showing people lets say in action like on a wedding, any sort of portrait shooting where u need this 2.8 for smooth background separation, for me it makes more sense. but maybe get slightly closer to the subject and remain with f4? i dont know. fact for me: struggeling so hard getting the 2.8 and replace the f4 opens my eyes and show me that i dont need 2.8 for 24-70.
When photographing aurora borealis I try to use as short speed as possible.. between 1-6 sec`s, and for that to work I need a faster lens.
This way I can keep the iso lower! I have got all 3 lenses and love the new f2.8 S!
Great video and comments! About what you said that the FTZ adapter can use only phase detect and not contrast detect, I'd love to know whether that is documented somewhere or how could I verify it?