Jojo Siwa Defends Colleen Ballinger In Bizarre Interview
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Jojo cannot admit that Colleen befriending her at 12 was inappropriate because it will cause her to also evaluate the fact that her mother was exploiting her since she was a little girl.
THIS
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That part!!!!
Bang on
jojo loves her mother too much for that
Yeah I'm not sure that "I've known her since I was 12" is the best defense for someone accused of inappropriate interactions with kids.
reads like a south park skit
@@gamblorrrlol because of your comment I read the original comment in Stan's voice
BAHAHAHA
real @@gamblorrr
I work privately with kids in that range (private music lessons). I could NEVER imagine texting any of them, hanging out with them, or confiding personal things with them. It's the adults responsibility 100% to ensure that relationship is appropriate!
love is an actual saint for editing this trainwreck together lmaooo
I saw this as a highlight and thought HOWWWWW?!?
what happened that made it tough to watch?
@@cez_is_typingthey just kept getting distracted
i actually was watching live wondering how theyd turn it into a highlight lol
they would go off on tangents and get distracted for like an hour and started from the beginning like 4 times @@cez_is_typing
Can't wait to hear what Jojo says in about 10 years when reality starts to hit her about all of the older people in her life who interacted and had large impacts on her during her childhood. Will she still sing the same tune about Colleen when she's her age?
she defends abby lee miller as well and that woman has admitted to hating her, to intentionally emotionally and verbally abusing her.
It’s almost like you want/would enjoy to see this girl being a victim even tho she doesn’t feel that way
@@rickym1046its not about jojo enjoying being a victim, its about her having to acknowledge she’s one otherwise she’s at high risk for creating a cycle of abuse and doing to others what those adult figures did to her. if she can’t acknowledge how inappropriate the bulk of her relationships were with adults as a kid, she can make those same relationships herself as an adult with other kids who look up tonuer
@@rickym1046it's actually public knowledge that most kids shows like dancing moms, or whatever this nonsense is called, abused children in all kinds of ways (please keep in mind that abuse doesn't always mean it's se*ual or physical, it can be psychological as well), just like any child labor type stuff is and many then children now grown start to realize they have been victimized. I wouldn't be surprised if Jojo comes to the same conclusion, seeing as she is defending questionable behavior from accused groomers, which almost shows that Jojo sees that type of behavior as harmless and normal, which only further suggests that she grew up in such an environment and therefore doesn't see what's wrong with this.
Been there. It took me 10 years to understand how manipulated and groomed I was. Reality hits you hard at some point.. she'll be disgusted by Colleen
It's hard to point fingers at Jojo when she herself is clearly currently a victim of inappropriate relationships and grooming. I feel like she's been so brainwashed that of course she's going to defend the predators in her life. I just hope she can someday break out of it all and come to terms with what her "friends" truly are.
So well put.
The call really do be coming from inside the toxic gossip house
Maddy is still grappling with breaking her way out of it, and I really hope JoJo can follow suit.
Or she's just a nonce protecting nonces..
Unpacking all the inappropriate relationships she's had with adults is gonna SHATTER HER WORLD. No surprise she's either avoiding accepting it or totally in denial still. I feel for her for having been a target so many times, but I can't support her as long as she keeps platforming Colleen, Shane, James Charles, etc. to her child audience.
In 5-10 years when the Colline Netflix doco comes out watch Jojo be one of the people coming forward :/
Let’s not forget Colleen had JoJo watch her BIRTH video as a MINOR
The way people defended this by saying “birth is normal” like no one is denying that?? But thats for the parent or teacher to show children not a 30 year old woman who hangs out with a 12 year old.?? And of her own body parts?? Im so concerned for these ppl
HUHHHH???
@@sohodollll EXACTLY THANK YOU
@@sohodollll Yeah fr, there's a HUGE difference between a parent or educator showing an educational birth video, vs. whatever the heck this is. Even if we allow, for a moment, that a lot of the sex ed in the U.S. sucks, and maybe Jojo's parents weren't willing to teach her, and she went to Colleen, as her mentor, with questions... showing YOUR OWN birthing video? Like, I have a young niece. If she came to me with questions about what it looks like to give birth, my response would be to look up educational videos about it, NOT TO SHOW HER MY OWN VIDEO OF ME GIVING BIRTH. What the actual hell.
@@sohodollll Probably the same people who make unhinged calls of "purity culture" because people called out Colleen for invasive period talk with her own fans. Pure strawman fallacies.
Jojo having been around so many weird adults growing up concerns me that she may end up mimicking similar behaviors....
agreed 100%. seems like that's the path she's on
Why? Bc she's not the perfect victim that realizes things were wrong abt her child hood the second she's turns 18. This is such a wild thing to say abt a 20 year old she's barely even lived yet
@@augustisthebest1606you act like it’s not common for victims of certain crimes to turn around and commit the same crimes because that’s what they think is normal…….not wild to say at all actually 😒
Good point. Its been made so normalized to her
@@augustisthebest1606well that kind of behavior has been normalized to her.
People keep forgetting she's 20 because of the high pitched voice and colorful clothes. Giving her a pass for being 20 is like giving James Charles a pass for being 21.
yup yup yup
@@Theivorypanda As a survivor of a grooming ring, nah, when I was 20 I absolutely knew that this was unacceptable behaviour and would not have defended anyone doing this.
Well Jojo was a victim and James is a predator, she didn’t have a motive as a child and James had motives as a 21 year old talking to teenagers. I don’t think you can really compare them. She still seems confused even as she’s trying to defend Colleen. She still feels loyal. She was and is manipulated.
@@Theivorypanda Being a victim yourself does not give you the excuse to slander victims without consequence. Since when does understanding WHY someone did something bad mean we shouldn't treat them like they did something bad.
Throwing around phrases like "we aren't less valid" is just so defensive. No one ever said your experiences aren't VALID I literally am just stating that you dont get to use your experience as a shield when attacking others (like JoJo). So sick of this "woe is me I experienced bad so don't criticize me when I do bad things" mentality.
@@JessicaRocker123 I never compared THEM I was using an example of someone the same age (that she also hangs out with so they are literally friends) and how this "they are just a child they don't know better" argument for legal adults is iffy at best. At the end of the day I will say it again but being a victim yourself does NOT excuse or diminish your faults especially when putting down other victims.
Someone like Jo Jo defending Colleen this way scares me. She is walking proof of Colleen’s grooming. She doesn’t even realize how this all sounded.
Truthfully, Jojo is the worst conceivable person to talk openly in defense of Colleen. She has been exploited and groomed by adults (non s3xually) her entire childhood, how can she defend it when she’s lived in it her whole life and basically knows nothing more than being a child working with adults to make money off of her? She was raised to believe that it is normal to harbour relationships with people much older than you or much younger, that the line separating >12 year olds and
A 30 year old shouldn’t be friends with a kid. Even if they are working together, doing skits, tv shows, whatever. If Colleen wasn’t such a fcking weirdo she’d have been friends with this kids mother. She shouldn’t have anything in common with a child. It’s so bizarre.
Yeah I definitely get that, but I don't think it's wrong to be quasi-friends with a kid as long as you're around their parent too just so that things don't come off as potentially sussy. I think a healthy and non-creepy adult-kid friendships can be potentially beneficial as I think adults can have valuable insight on life to impart on kids that their parents may or may not necessarily have. I also think that kids just hanging out with kids their own age can mean that they kind of get stuck in a feedback loop of social standards that are restricted to their own naive age group, and that's further made worse by how kids are often rebellious towards their parents and in turn might not listen to their advice. When it comes to an adult they think is "cool" though they might actually listen to the same or similar advice that their parents might tell them, but just be more receptive to said advice since it's coming from someone that isn't a parental authority figure. Does that make sense?
That said, yeah if you're an adult and you're just taking a 12 year old to go hang out with you solo without their parents around that can definitely come off as understandably weird AF unless you're like babysitting the kid or something when their parents aren't around. I dunno, it's a bit of a gray area IMO, though I do understand for sure where the reluctance comes from with all the potentially fucked up adults like Colleen that are out there.
@@aliG2500I think that type of relationship can be beneficial as a mentorship dynamic such as the relationship between Mike Tyson and cus amato. Though this can be taken advantage of very easily
@@shmoeg Yes I agree it definitely can be taken advantage easily, which again is why I totally get the reluctance and hesitancy people have towards that dynamic. Still, I think that potentially problematic nature of that type of relationship can just be mitigated by making sure you always have the parent around the kid to supervise and whatnot.
The one video collab I saw of them is disgusting and disturbing. Colleen kept talking about breaking her vag & something about twerking.
a 30 year old shouldn't be friends with a kid? what are you even talking about? So, apart from their own parents and other kids their exact own age, a 12 year old cannot ever have a friend who is 30? There's a lot of situations in life where an adult can mentor or befriend a young person in a variety of scenarios. Have we actually reached a time in our society where every damn interaction with others is questioned and some kid could sling mud on an adult just because they want to? Or have something to gain? This whole mentality coming from "social media" has gone way tooooo far.
*Thats coming from a 20 year old, cosplaying as a 12 year old.*
This is such a good point. I don't see them talking about how jojo caters to children her content is for kids literally
Edit: and she also collabs with Shane and James Charles
Ikr?
EXACTLY omg people keep forgetting shes 20 because of the high pitched voice and colorful clothes. Giving her a pass for being 20 is like giving James Charles a pass for being 21.
Have some grace with her. She's been exploited and used for profit since she was a young girl. It's very likely that she is mentally, emotionally stunted due to trauma.
@@Itellyouhwattthere isn't anything wrong with catering to kids tho. Her whole thing is abt being a good role model for young Girls.
Now hanging out with James is very lame but I think apart of ghat is Jojo really hasn't processed that certain things that happened to her or wrong so when other ppl get groomed she doesn't think it's a big deal bc it hasn't to her
I really appreciate how Ethan surrounds himself with people that help him instead of yes men. That’s a solid way to both conduct yourself and hold yourself accountable, and a good career move.
Yes!! I love when he asks them “should I not say this?” And will like privately message them and they tell him “hmmm maybe not that” and he doesn’t say whatever it was! Such a smart move on his part and I love that they feel comfortable enough to say no don’t do that, it shows a great workplace dynamic
I'm 29 and my step daughter is 12. I can't imagine showing her pornography and talking trash about the person's body. I can't imagine sending her lacy underwear as a joke. I can't imagine having a group chat with her and her friends. I can't imagine spreading her legs in front of a crowd, having her friends grab snacks from inside my pants, and making jokes about being molested by my uncle.
Intentions are a moot point. All the adults in these situations failed the children at best and gave them lifelong trauma. A lot of social media entertainment was uncharted territory, but there was money and professionals backing Miranda Sings and they all are responsible for the harm that's come to these kids.
^^^ THIS 👏
LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK
@@spideronawhiteflagthey’re blaming the predator and the predators enablers because that’s what allows predators to keep going unchecked.
There is a saying, “Good intentions pave the pathway to hell.”
@Nogirlwhatsoever whos blaming the person who doesn't know? She is literally blaming the adults who didnt protect the children...
It’s weird because tbh, jojo is arguably a victim herself who has yet to process it. Her mother exploited her for yearssss and had her hanging out with all these grown adults when she wasn’t even a teenager. Come on, we all know there were some sickos who watched dance moms….Jojo was as young as 12 and her mom was promoting her hanging out with a bunch of adults. And now Jojo is an adult she’s still catering to children and hanging out with some of the biggest predators online….it’s like the cycle repeats itself. I wouldn’t even be shocked if one day people start making similar accusations about her.
this is how victims end up becoming predators- when you are unwilling to see people in a bad light you rationalize their actions and are more likely to repeat the pattern because they never able to see what was wrong with the dynamic when they were younger themselves
Makes me worried for the XOMG girls
@@ArcticAirUltraPro I’m worried too. I wholeheartedly believe she doesn’t understand why colleen is so gross and the fact she was also 12 when becoming friends with her is alarming alone. I’m about the same age as colleen when these chat rooms were a thing and I can not understand why she did all this. You have NOTHING in common with a 12 year old except maybe the same favorite color. I’m deeply worried for Jojo and knowing who she surrounds herself with and knowing her history of being so young surrounded with so many older people..and especially knowing who she still surrounds herself with and sees nothing wrong with it. You are the company you keep and I pray Jojo breaks away and realizes all this isn’t normal or acceptable.
i remember a story from back in the day when jojo was maybe 11 yrs old (??) on dance moms and some creep was caught trying to send her a package with explicit/dangerous materials. thankfully it was intercepted but yeahhh the dance moms girls were exploited by lifetime and their parents. reality TV featuring minors in abuse.. i don’t think jojo has recognized that yet
@@ArcticAirUltraProAs someone who has no idea what this is and is a bit scared of googling it, could you explain to me what is that? Lol
I agree with Dan. I don't think Jojo has fully realized how inappropriate these interactions are. She grew up in this kind of environment. The fact that she's been involved with people like Colleen and James only seems to further prove she's been a victim to grooming. It's sad but hopefully, one day, she'll understand.
I think this was Colleen’s ‘temp check’ to see how the public would react. Basically testing the waters/soft-launching herself via Jojo.
'It's a day late cos this is jojos 9/11' 💀💀💀💀💀💀
Ethan’s little giggle after😭😭
@@Elenayvonnee he knew what he did loool
She honestly seems like someone who was in a similar boat as the other victims and she still needs to process all this. What she says absolutely deserves to be called out.. I would just be careful of how we speak about her and her intentions. Like she’s still a baby, stuff like this can take decades to process.
20 years old is not "a baby".... That's like saying James Charles was "a baby" when he was doing all he did because he was also the same/similar age (21).
She is young but I would just be careful giving passes/treating her like a "baby"/child when she is literally an adult. I get she has a high pitched voice and colorful clothes but people seem to forget this.
@apathina I think the difference is JC actually committed a crime, and Jojo might be a victim still trying to process what happened
she is not a baby. 20 yr olds are not babies. stop excusing her behavior because of her age. she's a fucking grown adult. i understand shes a victim too but my sympathy for her ends once she starts accusing other victims of lying about their experiences with colleen. people need to face the music and realize jojo is not as wholesome as she seems. she is consistently collabing with and defending sexual predators & abusers. this is not a one off instance, this is a pattern of behavior.
@@Apathina a 20 year old is very young especially when it comes to realizing things that u thought we're normal aren't
2: don't compare her to JC that's ridiculous
3: she probably won't realize anything was wrong untill she's much older or untill she's a mother herself
@@augustisthebest1606
1: I didn't compare HER to JC I applied the age defense argument to JC's situation as an example of why I believe its a bad argument
2: There are plenty of 20 year old's (myself included) who know/knew better than to call victims liar's
3: Being a victim yourself does not give you a free pass to slander victims
4: I get it your a fan say no more
It’s getting so old Colleen and her defenders calling everything “lies.” There’s proof of a lot of what’s been said. And honestly, the picture of Colleen with a child’s hand down her pants should be plenty of evidence for people to say okay, this is not okay behavior.
I'm 31 and I don't think I could even be friends with a 20 year old. Not because it's my conscious choice, but because we would have literally nothing in common.
Idk when i was 20 I was best friends with my sister, who is 10 years older than me. Of course people will say it's different but family is not inherently safer than non-family. I don't think it's better to isolate families, to expect everyone to only have multigenerational relationships within the family, etc.
I'm not saying this situation with Colleen is okay. I just don't think the situation with Colleen means it's automatically dangerous or creepy for people to be friends with an age gap. I like to hangout with my cousins of different ages. You can like spending time with someone who isn't your age. It's still friendship even if it's not the same between people of different ages and peers.
seriously? My mom was a high school teacher and she befriended several of her students after they had graduated. She was in her 50's and they were in their 20's. She did so because she genuinely liked them and they liked her and respected her ideas and opinions and vice versa. I suppose my mom, who was a stellar teacher, could have been accused of something if some vengeful person had wanted to do so. These attitudes need to stop. What would happen if you met a 20 year old who was mature and insightful beyond their years and you really enjoyed hanging out with them? Should we say, hey, you are 11 years old than them! It's gotten ridiculous. People have to remember that these "kids" who are youtube celebs like Jojo are quite a bit advanced from the average teenager. These are sophisticated teens who have been in the entertainment world and aren't little sheltered babies out there. I'm not defending bad judgment on Ballinger's part, but still......these are not little kids...most act and talk like semi adults.
There actually is a huge difference in a sibling or family bond or an actual teacher/mentor and student relationship you guys. Especially when compared to hanging around a stranger that you don't know at all who is older, just because you're a fan of their content. There's an entirely different power dynamic in that situation.
I’m 24. I have a few younger friends from college around age 20 but most 20 year olds I meet are way too immature for me to have anything in common with even though I’m not way older.
Meanwhile, I was friends with much older guys in their 20s and 30s when I was a young teenager. I didn’t realize how weird that was until after high school, I just thought it was cool to have an older friend. I couldn’t imagine being friends with minors at my age
@retromoviefan944 Yeah. People shouldn't get it twisted. People of different generations can have normal friendly relationships within a healthy community. The online and fan-celebrity dynamic are an entirely other thing.
this group of coworkers is seriously such magic. i could not imagine this show without any one of them they’re all main characters at this point and it’s just so cute
iNabber posted his Coleen video and he has a clip of her saying she’d want the dance mom kids to sit on her lap in a not “weird way”. Jojo is 100% a victim
howie shouldve pulled up receipts and been like “is this a lie?”
Every time Dan was like “we should take it back to the top” I was dying laughing knowing that so many people were probably raging. These James Wiener episodes are iconic
Is James actually jimmy? Sorry I haven’t watched in a while
@@angie6349 yes
I was howling at how funny the bit was I was living for it
An adult in her mid to late twenties befriended me when I was 17 and I have trauma from that relationship. Jojo has a lot to unpack and it takes time.
Exactly, and these relationships don’t strike you as weird usually until you get older. She is a lil baby, and the way she described her relationship with Colleen, like honey you are describing grooming while trying to defend Colleen from grooming allegations. I hope people aren’t too hard on her for this, it’s the wrong take for sure but it’s coming from a place of being treated inappropriately for years and still being so young. I hope she gets some therapy
to be fair she and and all the girls on dance moms hung out with older people and are all very fucked up with lots of tramuma so i mean anything they say i just hear years of brainwashing from lots of people
I agree with Dan. Jojo grew up in the spotlight around mostly adults. Because of her career, I bet most of her friends and team were fully grown adults. She most likely doesn't understand the issue with it just yet. She's really young and will realize how weird it is for 30 year old woman to have a group chat full of kids. (she vented about her divorce regularly asked one of the kids to send a pics because they said their a*s looked good) Especially with fans even Jojo and Maddie seemed completely enamored with her when they met. Huge power imbalance.
when i was 18 i dated a 32 year old for like a year. im 25 now........let's see it probably took me to 24 to really understand how not right that was.....jojo is 20 and she grew up around all these adults. i get people think 20 is old these days but it's really not. shes still young enough to think this shit is normal especially if she was exposed to all this as a kid. i imagine as she gets older, closer to mid 20s-30s she will see that this situation with colleen was whack. sometimes it literally just takes growing up and getting close to the age the other person was. dont get me wrong she shouldnt say this stuff or w/e but like................yeah i imagine her mind may change. i myself thought i was so mature to handle a 32 year old. now im 25, work with an 18 year old who is a great KID but when i interact with them i see the maturity disconnect and i think of them as little. that 32 year old had NO business with 18 year old me. just took me time to see it.
As someone who was groomed for years... Jojo seems to not yet be aware that she was groomed. I needed 4 years to be able to admit it to myself after it ended. I wouldn't be too hard on her, thank you for keeping this in mind. She's probably a victim herself.
I experienced the same thing and I completely agree. The hardest part is going through the phase of self-blame. It’s going to be hard for Jojo since all of this is public and forever online as well
Jojo has definitely been groomed for her whole life by almost every adult she’s met. She’s not the only dance moms kid to be groomed like this either.
When I was 13 years old my best friend in the world was a 22 year old man. Of course i thought it was because I was more mature then my peers, I knew how to held a conversation, I wasn't like the other girls. He was kind, funny, loving and supporting. Of course when he told me he was falling in love with me (I was 15, he was 24) I thought it was a normal development, my fault kinda, I probably led him on.. anyways a year later we started dating. It lasted until I was 18 and could finally see him for what he was: a groomer. A person who took advantage of a young lost girl and had fun while molding me to be obedient and submissive and completely alone (at a certain point I didn't have any friends anymore because he manipulated so I could only have him as a companionship). I'm 25 years now. Im a teacher and when I see my students, teens from 12 to 15 years I old, I see how oblivious they are, almost innocent in a way, how easy it would be for a 20 something with more life experience to manipulate them. Only being a teacher and seeing teens for what they are, I could really understand how malicious and cruel he was to me (before that I used to think it was my fault, that I in some way seduced him). Anyways, another thing I think about is how now I'm the same age he was while we dated (and i was 16) and man.. I wouldn't be FRIENDS with a 16 y/o lol completely different worlds. I barely have patience with my students and my brother who has the same age... imagine being friends or dating someone that age... you have to be twisted. Kids must be protected, unfortunately at that age is hard to understand you're being manipulated, but I'll tell you, the scars can last forever :(
I totally get what people are saying with Jojo being so young and she does deserve time to unpack her own trauma on her own time, but there’s another aspect of this that complicates everything, and it’s that she also has such a young child audience. So I think a good question to ask her is IF there was even a POSSIBILITY that Colleen could’ve harmed ANY children in ANY way, is she acting responsibly by defending Colleen and calling victim’s accusations “lies”? I think she’s taking way too hard of a stance regardless of her own trauma and knows that she is completely discrediting the victims who spoke out and minimized all of it into “lies the internet ran with for way too long” and THAT I personally do not give her a pass for. She definitely knows better and knows she will cause damage to the victims with her statements.
Shes already been found out for being in group chats with colleen and underaged fans.
Her refusal to take a step back on why a 5th friend of hers accused of being a predator, is setting her up to become one herself.
not the first time she has done something like this
Jojo did the same to the dancers who spoke out about Abby. Horrendous ways to view situations. Like I don't believe she did that because it never specifically happened to me.
i was thinking the same thing!!
Ok but put ur self in her shoes-u can't she had an extremely rare expirence and she hasn't processed it yet.
@@augustisthebest1606 That may be true, but I also don't think it's her place to negate someone else's very rare experience as well. She was very dismissive of peoples experiences
@@CultsBCultin when? She's made a few rude comments over the past 5 years
@@augustisthebest1606 I want to say it was like during Covid 2020ish when everyone kind of started rewatching the show and a few things didn't age well and people were reaching out to the girls on socials. JoJos whole stance was it doesn't matter how they are treated they are famous now and they should be thanking Abby. I think they could make a successful show and maybe have left the fighting to the grown women and not berate children, but that's just me haha.
Celebrities like Ashton, Mila, & Jojo were raised in an industry where inappropriate relationships btwn adults & minors are commonplace. I think they've all normalized the behavior & defend it because it's normal to them.
this right here, relationships between adults and children are for sure more normalized in the industry
people need to remember that kids who grew up in the hwood world/industry are not like the average "kid"...they are like semi adults, they hang with adults, they speak like adults, they have finances like adults, etc. Kids in the biz have always hung with people way older than them. To compare that world with the every day world of kids/adults is misplaced....I'm not defending Ballinger but too many people are viewing this thru the eyes of the average person. Jojo Siwa was 12 going on 40. She wasn't some little baby in middle school who didn't understand life or people.
@@retromoviefan944 Do you not see how adultifying kids is a problem? Why do you think child stars have such an atrocious track record for outcomes in later life?
It's almost like people who had their childhoods stolen in favour of a career and being "adult" were traumatised by those occurrences. Child stars are not fundamentally different people as regular children. They're just regular children who are going through some very severe adult-child boundary violations.
@@retromoviefan944 "They're mature for their age" is literally what groomers and nonces say to rationalise their predatory behaviour.
we need to talk about this. so many people in the entertainment industry grew up with these things being taught as normal to them.
JoJo Siwa has never been a good person it’s just everyone believes she is. She was groomed almost her entire life. She does not have the mental capacity to really judge these situations. She’s still a child she’s never had to grow up.
yeah the fact that she still supports known problematic people like shane dawson is a huge indicator
She’s besties w James Charles and I’m also pretty sure is still friends w Shane Dawson (??? Could be wrong about that one) so I think that she rationalizes peoples’ behavior bc if she saw it for what it was it would shake her world. She also still defends Abby lee miller so it feels like she gives passes to people she thinks have done something for her. A lot of people did things for me or were kind to me but still ended up being sacks of shit. Seems like she doesn’t understand that sometimes people are kind bc they have an agenda not bc its who they are.
She really doesn’t have the mental capacity, it’s very clear in the way she speaks
@@Theivorypanda Shane literally talked about how sexy babies are. He had children twerk on livechat for him. He and his gf simulated sex with objects to "teach" his extremely underage relative. The fuck do you call that?
@@Theivorypanda Shane HAS been proven to be a groomer. You’re part of the problem.
The fact she was "friends" as a 12 year old to a 29 year old, proves all the "lies" that there were inappropriate friendships. Those are the accusations and she lived it, but she is denying it happened. That poor girl is going to come to a realization when she gets more self-awareness (wisdom).
This is like the 5th "friend" of hers that has been called out for being a child abuser or a predator.
Abby, Toddrik, Shane, James, Colleen.
Its past the point of her being only 20 and not knowing better. After her 3rd "friend" gets called out for behavior that is inappropriate and hurts children it should be enough to take a step back and reevaluate why so many in her peer group are being labeled as that.
Shes already showing similar behavior of being inappropriate with her young fans. Screenshots of her in group chats with colleen and minor fans are circulating. And theres her girl dance group.
She needs to be held accountable for her allowing this behavior to happen around her. Or else she is going to turn into the same type of adult.
This is what I’m saying and no one else gets it, just because you were manipulated doesn’t mean you can’t take a step back and go “wait, that IS fucked up”
There’s plenty of abused and manipulated people who do it, the ones who “can’t” are lying
But also, let's not assign blame to JoJo for the actions of her friends.
Jojo was like i’m going to go out there today and get cancelled for Colleen Ballinger! Lmfao
I feel like Jojo has been at a severe disadvantage purely because she was never in real school always a Hollywood set type of education- she truly doesn’t have the language to describe her thoughts and whatever team she has didn’t help prepare a statement about this. She has always been under the influence of adults and has no reference for what non-sexual grooming is because it’s normal for her. She truly thinks she’s friends with these people.
If she ever starts to unpack the danger her mom put her in when she was younger, or the inappropriate relationships with people triple her age, or the mindf*ck that is the child entertainment industry, or even approach the Colleen situation with a modicum of concern for the victims… she could really grow emotionally.
I hope H3 discusses the fact that JoJo manages/produces a girl group comprised of kids around 12 years old.
I thought this same thing! My heart goes out to child stars.
Yes! NO mention of XOMGPOP creating content for children… and the whole competition process they put them through mimicking dance mom pressure and toxic mother/ daughter competition, and two girls from XOMG have left the group with no explanation….
@@ArcticAirUltraPro tbh I haven’t followed the girl group at all because who has time to watch little kids that aren’t my own children 😅💀 but even the general synopsis feels like it shouldn’t be allowed…
Olivia's the realest for always knowing the background of people and stories
Jojo siwa has been groomed her whole life. I hope she gets help.
I’m almost 27 and the thought of being friends with a 12 year old is so weird to me. Wtf would we talk about?
I would think all it would be are things like tutoring, life advice, being a teacher or youth sports coach, being a chaperone (like we had on field trips), family reunions where everyone introduces their immediate family members, or in emergencies (lost child or someone got hurt or something like that). Friendship, no, definitely not.
She’s not going to realize it’s inappropriate until she’s 28 and looks at how different her and 12 year olds truly are
Someone should ask JoJo if her own parents are friends with 12 year olds. That should put it into context
You missed that in that photo the other person in it was Colleen's younger sister Rachel. JoJo also says that she has been friends with Rachel since she was 12 and they are close enough that she was the person that JoJo travelled to New Zealand with and was her cover story for filming Special Forces.
JoJo at the same time as Aston and Mila lmao whats in the water 😂
Jojo’s bizzare cancellation
its even crazier knowing that jojo is friends with james and shane 😭
Speaking of Shane Dawson, fun fact from the new Swoop video: Colleen was (allegedly) sending Shane lies about her ex.
okay, i’m not a podcast watcher. but i absolutely love this podcast
1. you guys are supporting howie’s podcast and complimenting him. i love that.
2. the sound effects are literally cracking me up
by far the most obnoxious live watch. thank you love for editing this so it’s bearable!!!
How obnoxious it is, is half the fun bruh
@@UnjustifiedRecs customer: hey yeah I'd like a new burger this has mold on it
Retard: that's part of the fun sir that's a part of the taste
I want to give Jojo some grace because if something did happen it would be *a lot* for anyone to process yet alone share on a podcast. I get the sense she’s starting to realize portions of their relationship were inappropriate with regard to age, level of communication, etc. IIRC Jojo & Colleen aren’t just close friends, they’re “like sisters” so that would be like a life changing & heart breaking violation of the trust for Jojo.
I can't believe she's calling Colleens' victims' liars or perpetuating a lie without saying what is the lie, what were/are the lies then? Same with Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis, whatever you're going to say, say it clearly and stand by it if you're going to undermine victims. It doesn't matter if someone who did something horrible exhibited kindness in some capacity.
Papa bless Love for editing this down, I couldn't make it through the entire OTR 😂
Thank you love for editing this- my brain was going crazy during the stream and I can’t believe you made it coherent
Editing Nightmare 😂❤🎉
It’s incredibly disturbing and pretty dangerous for Jojo to defend Colleen (and her several other predator friends💀) because she’s a big role model and celeb for young children, so if they see their idol Jojo defending Colleen’s creepy predatory behavior, they’ll think it’s okay. So Jojo befriending and defending all these creeps is indirectly causing the cycle of abuse to repeat itself.
She’s not a kid anymore, she’s 20, and she needs to wake up and get away from these people or she’s gonna cause a lot of damage to others.
Jojo has a history of defending abusers and dismissing victims by arguing shes wasn’t abused by them and therefore they couldn’t have abused others. She did the same thing to other girls who was on dance moms who were abused by their dance teachers and spoke out
I just saw a couple days ago that she posted on her Snapchat story that she was at James Charle’s party.
I want to believe that Jojo is just a very trusting young person. She’s such a role model to kids, and since she’s come out as queer, now they have representation. But she NEEDS to like do some research on these ppl b4 she stands up for them.
Why would she care about research? Shes making her money off of kids who dont care about the morals of their idols. If they did people like Coleen, James Charles, and Shane Dawson wouldn't STILL be a thing. She surrounds herself with famous accused people and even defends them she clearly doesn't care about "research" when shes being handed $
You know what I’ll probably get crap for saying this, but could it be possible that she’s also problematic like they are? People who are victims can become the abuser themselves if they don’t get help or work things out… I worry that might happen. I’ve seen it happen. It’s dangerous when these things are so normalized to young people, because it becomes a cycle of abuse.
@@FabiolaMacabre You should not get crap for that. JoJo, I believe, is a perfect case study of how abuse can be perpetuated in a cycle from one generation to the next.
She's saying Adam, Becky, Oliver, Josh David Evans are all lying....
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It's very telling that no one on Colleen's side can put out even a half-arsed counter-story to refute the accusations. It's almost like they're guilty as sin.
I had called sick yesterday and it was the first time I got to see a live! Not only were they apparently later than usual, this segment took forever! This clip is stitched together so well, Love you did great!
so is everyone just sick right now this is horribleeeeeeeeee
@@linger6666yup I’m also sick
Sick as well!
the craziest part is adam became “friends” with colleen A YEAR LATER- jojo needs to go to therapy 😃
“I have a platform of millions of followers that’s been very lucrative and beneficial for Colleen, and ShE wAs ALwAyS NiCe To Me.” is all I got out of this interview.
this whole episode was so chaotic i loved every second of it 😂
It saddens me how young Jojo still is, only 20, and how many obviously manipulative liars are in her circle, likely using her because it's easier to manipulate her opinion for her support and therefore access to HER audience. I can imagine that being famous so young that it's got to be impossible to make any real friends or trust anybody.
Jimmy is right about Jojo though. She was just a huge fangirl defending her idol. She can't see all Colleen's bullshit because of the Rose tinted glasses she had on at the moment. It didn't help that she was also sheltered and probably never experienced any of the shit Colleen's and other famous people victims had to endure or she did but because of her child star nature it's pretty much normal in her point of view. She's lucky (or unlucky) that Colleen liked her enough not to get bullied by her. She does not understand that those kids especially Adam was just like her. Colleen also made Adam feel like they are friends, and that he was special, just like her 'friendship' with Jojo. The only difference is that Jojo is just as famous as Colleen, if not more so they don't have the same level of fan/idol power dynamic as her victims. She was working since she was a child and was exposed to manipulative and vindective adults early in her life that maybe she thinks all of this isn't really a big deal and the allegations are exaggerated if not made up. Also Jojo thinks she owe her youtube career to Colleen so she have to be loyal to her.
Of course the child victim will NOT see the abuse until she is shut away from all of it and can move on. Then looking back, she’ll realize it all.
No adult has good intentions if they are prioritizing being friends with a 12 year old.
I think it’s important that we remember Jojo is still very much a child. Her brain is still not fully formed. She seems like a nice impressionable young kid.
I feel like the one thing we need to consider here is that we could be looking at a case of a victim just not processing the fact that she’s been exploited and abused since she was a child. Not saying that as an excuse for Jojo’s behavior, but it could be an explanation as to why she’s gunning so hard for Colleen’s defense.
Yes, 100% I can’t believe everyone isn’t seeing this ?! she’s a victim too!!! It’s so damn obvious omg
I’m not shocked. Ever since her ex came out and said she abused her money, influence and status while in their relationship…
Birds of a feather…
So weird to hear a 12 year old, 20 year old and 38 year old all be referred to as "girl"
I can't go hard on Jojo because myself didn't know I was a victim until I got to the age of my abusers. Now I have nephews and nieces the same age I had when I was victim and thought to myself how someone my age sexualized a young person like that? It hit me hard.
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Had to tap out of the actual episode as it was such a hard watch lmao - so grateful for Love for editing all this together so fast!! ✨
What happened?
why are people saying this can someone tell us what happend?
Love youre a fucking miracle worker for editing this in a way that makes it watchable!! ❤
I remember being 20 and having a friendship with an adult, who I defended LIKE NO OTHER. Now the difference is that I was technically an adult when we met because it was college, but once I stepped away from that environment I immediately began to see the wrong in that relationship. Jojo is still in that environment. And actually she was RAISED in that environment. She met Colleen because of the entertainment industry so their relationship if a bit different, which I’m sure blurs the lines in Jojo’s mind. I think when’s she started talking about the “difference” of their friendship, I think she was alluding to the fact that they both had fame and status and maybe that’s what made it not feel as wrong. But it was. And I hope Jojo sees that one day. She wants so badly to see Colleen as her idol still, but Colleen was and is feeding her a lie.
Did you really compare two adults being friends to a 30+ year old and _twelve year olds?_
@@Jane-oz7pp Yes, I did, because I was a teen when I met them and they were significantly older. But also I shouldn’t need to give gory details to make a comment saying that I can relate to Jojo’s experience of having a relationship with a power imbalance but feeling like it doesn’t count because there were other factors that blur the lines. In my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I was legally an adult but far far from being someone who understood that someone older would take advantage of that and talk to me about things that I was not equipped to talk about so young. My take on the Jojo situation is that she was a child who grew up in the industry with fame so her becoming friends with another celebrity who she looked up to, when she’s already surrounded by adults all the time, might not feel wrong to HER. She may not understand that just because you’re both entertainers who have audiences that are kids doesn’t make it okay for an adult to become your friend. The same way that just because you’re 18 and technically an adult, doesn’t mean that someone over a decade older than you should be talking to you as friends when they had no reason to be associating with someone who was in high school just months earlier. You can interpret my words as me comparing apples to oranges and you needing to question the validity of my experience, but you don’t know how much I can relate to this situation. You don’t NEED to know, and that’s okay with me.
It’s true, the internet can take a lie and take it out of proportion. However most of the things Colleen was called out for are recorded on video and she did not acknowledge nor took accountability for any of it.
to be fair when you're that close to someone from the age of 12 you're going to be biased because the relationship means so much to you and that person was a big part of your formative years. I wouldn't blame Jojo her brain isn't even fully formed yet she's only 20. It's not Jojos responsibility to be a spokesperson for Colleen but when she's put on the spot what is she gonna say am I right?
It’s all crazy, that fact colleen worked at disneyland at playhouse Disney as well as the high school musical outdoor performance, like that didn’t age well.
The real issue is that it makes you evaluate your relationships with predators and it makes you reclassify your former good memories to the realities far before you're ready.
Omgggg! Grooming was talked about so much in a sexual context that so many people STILL think that's all there is to grooming. Grooming, in the most general sense, is preparing or training someone for a particular purpose or activity. And it doesn't have to be negative, although versions that are discussed usually are negative in nature. A person can be groomed for a higher position in their career. A person can also be groomed to accept/normalize inappropriate behavior from people, which will predispose them to exploitation & manipulation.
Man, this would've been a lot easier to edit together if they just listened to Dan and started it over and over again
She thinks she is being so careful about what she is saying but is actually steering herself right off a cliff
I dont get how she doesnt make the connection between: 1) the fact that she knows so many of the people being accused of grooming minors and 2) the fact that she has been a minor for the overwhelming majority of her popular career. Like Jojo, how many of these people that you want to defend met you when you were still a child? Just Colleen? Half of them? All of them?
jojo talking about the internet being able to capitalize off of colleens cancellation but she can continue to capitalize off of collabs with james charles and shane dawson. okay aha
I don't listen to this podcast but happy they are covering this. THIS HAPPENS TO OFTEN!!!! PLEASE ask your kids/siblings about who they talk to online.
The fact that the highlight is watchable is WILD
Brooooo the new Swoop Josh interview just dropped 😮
I feel like there's a pattern of Colleen becoming besties with VERY YOUNG queer fans. Jojo is just another aspect of this pattern.
Can we just give Love some Love for managing to cut this down enough to be watchable 😂 good job my guy
Jimmy was really great in the sit-in episode. He complimented Ethan in a nice way.
I know 20 is young, but to put it in perspective, Adam is 20. They met Colleen around the same time.
The difference is that Jojo already had a cocktail of other adult influences around her that probably warped her perspective of normalcy.
It may take Jojo longer, but there shouldn’t be so much emphasis put on her age (at least not as “well, she’s still basically a kid…” [slightly exaggerated, but you get it]).
Jojo referred to adults in her life, such as producers while she was a child, as friends. I don't think she knows the boundaries herself.
After Trisha came out and spoke on how colleen was spamming her with voice memos trying to control the narrative it’s really sad to think that that’s what jojo must’ve gotten too
I love Jimmie as a cohost, he’s super real and gives good opinions, plus still says funny comments 😂
i’m 22 and i wouldn’t wanna hang out with a 19 year old let alone a child
Right! I work at a daycare with up to 12 year olds. What 20 year old wants to go out with someone fresh out of the kids club lol
I'm 22, work primarily with 17-19-year-olds, and would never want to initiate a personal relationship with them. That's fucking weird when there's a power dynamic going on.
Thank you, Love ❤ I would like to see Jay Shettys producers pull off an edit of this level.
Not so sure that an alum of Dance Moms is in any position to judge what is an appropriate relationship between an adult and a child.
Whoever edited this is the goat .. i hardly remember what they said about the jojo clip from watching it yesterday
Been waiting for this! Sorry H3 team but I just couldn't get through the full length video 😂 COMPLIMENTS TO THE EDITOR 🥂
If these claims made against Colleen are Indeed "lies", why hasn't her Attorney made any statements to that affect?? Why hasn't she filed suit or defended herself against these "lies"?! Seriously!
This would be such a good frenemies episode 😢
Isn't it hypocriticle of us to judge her as a sober voice in the same breath as we call her a potentiall victim? And why even call it potential, jojo has known coleen since she was 12 THATS LIKE THE SAME AGE ADAM WAS. Jojo so clearly is a victim it's easy to tell by the way she protects coleen. That's why I appreciated Trishas vid cuz she was a little more sympathetic to the idea of jojo only defending coleen not because she actually agrees but becasue she is STILL brainwashed from the adults that constanly have been araound her for her entire growing up. Honesly feeling sorry for jojo shouldn't be the unpopular opinion BECAUSE SHE IS A VICTIM, SHE CAÖLED COLLEN HER FRIEND we should be patient with her