Wow! This vid is at a whole new level. The work you put into has produced a beautifully clear illustration of exterme bitting. Great job. Hope to see more like this.
Nice bitting -- I might point out (for those that don't fully understand MACS), that if you had made the bitting 9 1 9 1 9 1, for example, you would have exceeded MACS, BUT more importantly the deep 9 cut would have cut away the top portion of the 1 cut (because of the "V" angle of the key cutting wheel) so that, in this example, the key would NOT be able to raise the # 1 pins high enough to open the lock. This is why you cannot exceed MACS (Maximum Adjacent Cut Specification).
You can also Make the locks lishi proof by having a inappropriate cut like a #10 on a schlage or a #8 on a kwickset because the lishi will push the bottom pin above the shear when its simply inserted
once again great video and explanation. I try to pick from the back of the lock when I think this is the case.. but good luck with the tension tool gymnastics!
Love this one, it really helps me understand how the picking or bumping works with shorter cuts in the key so now I know how to address my locks and be able to describe how I want my lock pins redone and make me new keys. Someone also said doubling of a spring can help too.
Awesome video, with one exception - At about 3:50 you show the deeper pick, and the annotation pops up over the tip. Most of us know what you're talking about, but I just wanted to mention it in case you can move the annotation after upload.
Great info. I tend to use a short hook and I’ve had trouble with oversetting and this really helped me visualize what’s going on. I’ll have to utilize a longer hook in those situations. THANK YOU!
Have you ever considered making a video on the challenges of being a left-handed picker (I hope I didn't miss it if you did)? You are the only one that I follow who is and I get frustrated watching the seemingly perfect setup righties have for TOK tension, etc. I love your channel.
I have done a few "tips and tricks" videos for left handed pickers. I could try to make some more in the future and update the ones I already have. I don't know you about you but when I first started I would do TOK upside-down and tension with my thumb but I forced my self to stop that.
That's a superb video to show to friends of mine who are in there first 20+ hours of pick-lock introduction. Very well done HelpfulLockPicker. do you know any french language lockpicker chanel that are as good as your's , LPL or Bill's? (ok those guys possesed epic level skills )
Thanks as always, HLP! Your content is extremely informative. I have learned a lot from this channel. I would love to see a video on pick placement to tackle these kinds of bittings (where to pivot your pick on either on your finger or in keyway on the warding etc, angle of attack, etc). I think that would really advance my ability. Happy holidays. Looking forward to more content
Interestingly most new ABUS and Burgwächter use this type of bitting but in the very back of the keyway. For example if your lock has 5 pins total. #5 will be a high lift and #4 will be a low one protecting it. I'm still trying to find the right tools and then adjust my skills to deal with this type of biting. Yesterday I picked a Master 410 Loto (yellow color) with a biting where the pin before the last pin was a very high lift while all the other pins were lower cut to medium. Then I have this abus 64/40 padlock and the Abus E50 cylinder which also has the highest lift in the back protected by 2-3 pin lower cuts. .... Yeah new locks are hard to pick because of this. So far I'm trying to solve situations like these by using the top of the keyway for tensioning and using 0.4mm (15thou) medium and deep hooks because those can bend and can even squeeze right between the keypins that are in the way and the warding. All I have to do is angle the pick and then readjust it, once I'm in the back of the keyway just on top of the protected high lift pin. It takes a ton of practice to get this technique right and highly restrictive and paracentric keyways make this sometimes impossible to pull off.
Damn right! I always say a lock with tight tolerances and sawtooth bitting is harder to open than a sloppy one with the fanciest security pins ( lol my kwickset challenge locks) 😜great video like always
Great video as always with excellent graphics and camera work. Not sure if you have any videos in the pipeline adding threads and solids/serrated pins. Showing how extreme bitting, security pins and modified core all make a great security lock. I trust you and your family have a wonderful festive season.
We like to call a bitting like that "a bill bacardi bitting". If you have ever picked a bacardi challenge lock you recognize this bitting. Lol. Daz Evers is known for extreme bitting as well.
The lock picking lawyer has the best solution that I actually use which makes the lock unpickable. His solution is to use t-pins and master wafers along with the normal bottom pins. If a pick is used and the cylinder is turned the t-pins drop into the construction keying holes which locks the cylinder in place. Unfortunately if you can't remove the lock from inside the home you will have to drill the cylinder.
Why does the factory have some "unused" bittings (neither should you use some) and never cut a key as 9 9 9 9 9 9, OR 1 1 1 1 1 1, or even 3 3 3 3 3 3 for example?
@@HelpfulLockPicker Excellent point and a good use for such a cut key, but not too secure to have an lock cylinder pinned to that type of "flat bitting"
i been thinking of purchasing a couple of loto locks with that bitting and 3 with random factory bitting, would you be interested in one of the loto locks with the 818181?
@@HelpfulLockPicker i didnt know that the limitations on the cut per lock maker, but now armed with that in mind. i guess it slipped my mind, because i think i remember you mentioning in an old vid of yours wen you were talking about decoding keys or making them or even a different locksporter on youtube. i will def get you a challenge bitted loto with alternating cuts of highest and lowest. i have a few questions i will ask the site i am looking at and hopefully by then the postal backup will have eased by time of ordering
@@j.gabriel8573 one other thing to consider is those locks only come with one key and you can't really specify what the cuts will be. I could alter the cuts with my machine and repin the lock but we would have to physically destroy the lock body to get the cylinder out
@@HelpfulLockPicker i think this site does it tat i have found, they give you choice on factory default, master or your code as far as keying. im actually writing them an email, looking at the abus equivalent too
@@HelpfulLockPicker i've called them today and found out what i needed to know. how would you like the american lock loto lock code would you like? i will let you know when i receive the locks and go from there. im getting different locks for making up a couple package to send out. i figure for my loto lock code, im going to go 073727. just hit me back up with a code you would like on yours. btw hope you had a good christmas.
The blades on some key machines can't do it there would not be enough material left on the adjacent cut. Also, the keys become much more difficult to insert / remove and wear out quickly
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This channel, Lockpicking Lawyer, and Bosnian Bill all have great, informative videos on different ways. Another excellent video!
Thank you for the kind words and support 😀
Have you watched locknobe he has a great channel as well
@@newhouselockandkey
" Lock Noob " for correct spelling.. but I agree, he's great too!
@@djfunkychicken thank you for correcting my spelling
@@newhouselockandkey All good mate! It's English slang for a newbie.. not really a common word out there.. bloody Poms!!! 🤣
While I greatly enjoy LPL, I have to say that the quality and relevance of the info that you provide is much better than his! Thanks!
Thank you for your kind words 😀
Wow! This vid is at a whole new level. The work you put into has produced a beautifully clear illustration of exterme bitting. Great job. Hope to see more like this.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad you appreciate the effort 😀
Excellent video!
Thank you for checking it out
Nice bitting -- I might point out (for those that don't fully understand MACS), that if you had made the bitting 9 1 9 1 9 1, for example, you would have exceeded MACS, BUT more importantly the deep 9 cut would have cut away the top portion of the 1 cut (because of the "V" angle of the key cutting wheel) so that, in this example, the key would NOT be able to raise the # 1 pins high enough to open the lock. This is why you cannot exceed MACS (Maximum Adjacent Cut Specification).
Thanks for sharing! I was thing of showing an exaggerated example of this with an American Lock in a future video 😀
You can also Make the locks lishi proof by having a inappropriate cut like a #10 on a schlage or a #8 on a kwickset because the lishi will push the bottom pin above the shear when its simply inserted
Excellent video, @HelpfulLockPicker - brilliant idea to demonstrate using a "naked" core with just the key pins in it. Fabulous stuff! Thank you :)
Thanks for checking it out and I am glad you found my approach helpful 😀
once again great video and explanation.
I try to pick from the back of the lock when I think this is the case.. but good luck with the tension tool gymnastics!
thank you for sharing :-)
Love this one, it really helps me understand how the picking or bumping works with shorter cuts in the key so now I know how to address my locks and be able to describe how I want my lock pins redone and make me new keys. Someone also said doubling of a spring can help too.
Thank you for checking it out
Awesome video, with one exception - At about 3:50 you show the deeper pick, and the annotation pops up over the tip. Most of us know what you're talking about, but I just wanted to mention it in case you can move the annotation after upload.
Sure, I can move it forward when I get to the computer 😀
Thank you again for letting me know. I just fixed it :)
Excellent information. This is the exact issue I am struggling with right now. Perfect timing
Thanks for checking it out and I hope it helps 😀
Great info. I tend to use a short hook and I’ve had trouble with oversetting and this really helped me visualize what’s going on. I’ll have to utilize a longer hook in those situations. THANK YOU!
Thank you for sharing
Excellent and such an underrated topic! Thanks for covering and with such excellent detail!
Thank you for the kind words!
Great video and very informative!
Have you ever considered making a video on the challenges of being a left-handed picker (I hope I didn't miss it if you did)? You are the only one that I follow who is and I get frustrated watching the seemingly perfect setup righties have for TOK tension, etc. I love your channel.
I have done a few "tips and tricks" videos for left handed pickers. I could try to make some more in the future and update the ones I already have. I don't know you about you but when I first started I would do TOK upside-down and tension with my thumb but I forced my self to stop that.
@@HelpfulLockPicker Found it! video #39 for any other lefties out there. Thanks!
Such a well presented and informative video.
Than
Thank you for your kind words!
Good video. You’re right- it does take a bit of skill to pick a lock with that type of bitting.
Thanks for checking it out 😀
Fun to watch. Great info👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for checking it out
Thanks iv subscribed and today's lesson is a great one.
Welcome aboard! Thank you for the kind words
nice work man! awesome graphics
Thanks! It was fun to make 👍
That's a superb video to show to friends of mine who are in there first 20+ hours of pick-lock introduction. Very well done HelpfulLockPicker. do you know any french language lockpicker chanel that are as good as your's , LPL or Bill's? (ok those guys possesed epic level skills )
I am not sure but my wife is from France, lol. Maybe I should have her make a channel
Great video
Thanks as always, HLP! Your content is extremely informative. I have learned a lot from this channel. I would love to see a video on pick placement to tackle these kinds of bittings (where to pivot your pick on either on your finger or in keyway on the warding etc, angle of attack, etc). I think that would really advance my ability. Happy holidays. Looking forward to more content
Thank you for the suggestion and I hope you have a good holiday :-)
That's a very clear and informative video. Thank you.
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad you found this helpful
Great video and the editing is on point 🙌
Thanks, you do a great job as well
Great information👍
Thanks for checking it out!
Good information
Great information, I didn't know you can't be more than 7 cuts apart in the bitting. Thanks for a great video. 👍🏻
This is only Schlage. Yale is 5, Kwikset 4, American Lock is 4 as well for example
@@HelpfulLockPicker great to know, thanks.
Great video, informative and easily understandable explanation of max
thank you for the kind words :-)
Nice video....Merry Christmas!
Thanks, you too!
Great channel and excellent information.
Thanks for checking it out!
Great video.!
Thanks!
Good video and well explained.
Thank you for the kind words!
Interestingly most new ABUS and Burgwächter use this type of bitting but in the very back of the keyway. For example if your lock has 5 pins total. #5 will be a high lift and #4 will be a low one protecting it. I'm still trying to find the right tools and then adjust my skills to deal with this type of biting. Yesterday I picked a Master 410 Loto (yellow color) with a biting where the pin before the last pin was a very high lift while all the other pins were lower cut to medium. Then I have this abus 64/40 padlock and the Abus E50 cylinder which also has the highest lift in the back protected by 2-3 pin lower cuts. .... Yeah new locks are hard to pick because of this.
So far I'm trying to solve situations like these by using the top of the keyway for tensioning and using 0.4mm (15thou) medium and deep hooks because those can bend and can even squeeze right between the keypins that are in the way and the warding. All I have to do is angle the pick and then readjust it, once I'm in the back of the keyway just on top of the protected high lift pin. It takes a ton of practice to get this technique right and highly restrictive and paracentric keyways make this sometimes impossible to pull off.
Damn right! I always say a lock with tight tolerances and sawtooth bitting is harder to open than a sloppy one with the fanciest security pins ( lol my kwickset challenge locks) 😜great video like always
Thanks for sharing!
Great video as always with excellent graphics and camera work.
Not sure if you have any videos in the pipeline adding threads and solids/serrated pins. Showing how extreme bitting, security pins and modified core all make a great security lock.
I trust you and your family have a wonderful festive season.
I haven't got there yet but probably in the future. That animation took a while to make
@@HelpfulLockPicker I can imagine but well worth the time, it looks really good and much appreciated.
thanks
Thanks for checking it out!
This was a great video very helpful thank you
Thank you for the kind words and I am glad it helped :-)
We like to call a bitting like that "a bill bacardi bitting". If you have ever picked a bacardi challenge lock you recognize this bitting. Lol. Daz Evers is known for extreme bitting as well.
The scoundrels 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😁👍🏻
Yes they can make some evil locks 👿
Which specific hook did you feature in the video at the 3:52 mark? Just curious.
I believe that is the Peterson hook No 7
Great demonstration!!!!
In that situation I might use my Lunatic pick from Sparrows 😀
Stay safe my friend
🐾🐈🐈⬛🐈😷🎄⛄️
Thanks Chris
The lock picking lawyer has the best solution that I actually use which makes the lock unpickable. His solution is to use t-pins and master wafers along with the normal bottom pins. If a pick is used and the cylinder is turned the t-pins drop into the construction keying holes which locks the cylinder in place. Unfortunately if you can't remove the lock from inside the home you will have to drill the cylinder.
that was very informative and seeing the pins was most helpful. would 181818 be any different then 818181?
181818 would make it easier because the first and last pins would be less likely to overset
Can you do a video on how to decode any lock bitting wall your picking the lock
Watch one of my "Lishi" videos
Why does the factory have some "unused" bittings (neither should you use some) and never cut a key as 9 9 9 9 9 9, OR 1 1 1 1 1 1, or even 3 3 3 3 3 3 for example?
I use those for space and depth keys lol. Nothing like an all flat key and just lifting and turning
@@HelpfulLockPicker Excellent point and a good use for such a cut key, but not too secure to have an lock cylinder pinned to that type of "flat bitting"
i been thinking of purchasing a couple of loto locks with that bitting and 3 with random factory bitting, would you be interested in one of the loto locks with the 818181?
I would be but how would you get one? They are the Master Lock ones? Because the MACS is 4 and the cuts are 0 to 7.
@@HelpfulLockPicker i didnt know that the limitations on the cut per lock maker, but now armed with that in mind. i guess it slipped my mind, because i think i remember you mentioning in an old vid of yours wen you were talking about decoding keys or making them or even a different locksporter on youtube. i will def get you a challenge bitted loto with alternating cuts of highest and lowest. i have a few questions i will ask the site i am looking at and hopefully by then the postal backup will have eased by time of ordering
@@j.gabriel8573 one other thing to consider is those locks only come with one key and you can't really specify what the cuts will be. I could alter the cuts with my machine and repin the lock but we would have to physically destroy the lock body to get the cylinder out
@@HelpfulLockPicker i think this site does it tat i have found, they give you choice on factory default, master or your code as far as keying. im actually writing them an email, looking at the abus equivalent too
@@HelpfulLockPicker i've called them today and found out what i needed to know. how would you like the american lock loto lock code would you like? i will let you know when i receive the locks and go from there. im getting different locks for making up a couple package to send out. i figure for my loto lock code, im going to go 073727. just hit me back up with a code you would like on yours. btw hope you had a good christmas.
Your more explanatory than anyone
A noob here, but wouldn't it be easier to just always start from the last pin?
If the 1st pin is binding first that won't help
Why does macs exist? Like why can't there be a 19191?
The blades on some key machines can't do it there would not be enough material left on the adjacent cut. Also, the keys become much more difficult to insert / remove and wear out quickly
@@HelpfulLockPicker thanks for the info bub
Boink.
Thanks