Record Plant Closing - My Commentary on Big Studios Closing

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  • Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
  • My thoughts on big studios closing.

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  • @fredfox3851
    @fredfox3851 Месяц назад +20

    A great engineer and a great sounding room, is what is missing from most home recordings. When music became "virtual" it became virtually worthle$$. This rock era Boomer, feels bad for today's young musicians. Rock on!

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +2

      You are absolutely right!

    • @RealHomeRecording
      @RealHomeRecording Месяц назад +5

      Napster and Bay of pirates devalued music...not DAWs.

    • @fredfox3851
      @fredfox3851 Месяц назад +4

      @@RealHomeRecording I was not implying it was DAWS. I think we agree. When people can download music for near free any time they want, instead of buying a physical object like CD, cassette or vinyl, it became virtual and not "real". Back in my OKAY BOOMER days we used to value protect, share and even brag about our record collection. While musicians were still cheated back then, today's musicians chances of making money are minuscule.
      PEACE and ROCK ON!

    • @RealHomeRecording
      @RealHomeRecording Месяц назад +1

      @@fredfox3851 agreed 👍

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +1

      You are right

  • @daz4627
    @daz4627 Месяц назад +16

    I was a professional photographer for over 25 years... The analogy between music and photography is exactly the same... back in the day, we used to shoot film and the number of frames per roll was limited - usually 36 frames for 35mm or 12 frames for medium format ... you HAD to make a decision before pressing the shutter and every frame had to count ... the difference between a professional and an amateur was that a professional would nail it 99% of the time with every frame and an amateur would nail it 1% so there was always a respect and even a mystique to shooting film ... now everyone has a camera in their phone and images are practically worthless ... substitute music for photographs and you have the same scenario ... the digital medium may have some great benefits but it has killed the golden goose.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +2

      That is a great analogy.

    • @RealHomeRecording
      @RealHomeRecording Месяц назад +1

      Yep... that iconic photo during the recent assassination attempt? Plenty of people have already stolen it and sold t-shirts/other merchandise without even giving credit to the photographer.
      These days I am making money doing things that people don't want to do. Making a lot more than I ever did with audio engineering... It's just the times we're living in!

    • @rogerssombe7369
      @rogerssombe7369 Месяц назад +1

      Economically the excess supply has killed the demand of the art....AI has added a whole different beast....

  • @tkelong3569
    @tkelong3569 Месяц назад +7

    I’ve worked in studios from NYC to Oahu and they’re great, but those gigantic speakers always seemed somewhat deceptive to me.
    Yeah, they sound amazing but when is anyone ever going to hear their music or anyone else’s on speakers that size? Loved the experience though, really makes you feel like a pro when the engineer has your song cued up on the Neve VR60 with Flying Faders,
    while the Studer 2 inch plays back this really warm and at the same time crisp sound. Great times. I was on somebody else’s dime so it was stress free. Even met a few superstars along the way. My favorite was Les Paul. What a sweet and humble man. Such an honor to converse with him. Felt like I was dreaming. Haha
    That’s just how it goes. The maintenance on those giant Neve and SSL boards can be very costly and the older they get, like all machinery, the more maintenance they need.
    I feel that if you have experienced people working in the digital realm, you can get excruciatingly close to the sound those boards offered up in half the time.
    No one’s going to pay a $275 per hour A-Room fee, when they can get a really solid sound at home, or when they can pay someone $50/hr in the box and get something that still sounds fantastic. That’s just not gonna fly in the current economic climate.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      You are right but like you said it feels great to hear your own music through those big monitors in an acoustically correct control room.

    • @bobchris11
      @bobchris11 Месяц назад +1

      I loved the sound of the kick drum woofing from the woofers. 😊

  • @darrellhicks9024
    @darrellhicks9024 Месяц назад +10

    While the whole bedroom producing thing IS cool and I agree, the multiple rooms going at one time is such a great thing for music creativity. Sucks these places have to close 😢

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +3

      It truly is a sad situation. Ever since music has lost all its value this is effecting the whole industry.

  • @nicefish10
    @nicefish10 Месяц назад +4

    I own a commercial studio (not in my home, but in a commercial,space). While it is sad places like Record Plant, and Power Station are closing, there are people like me that never have chased the big budget record company projects, but thrive anyway. I do a fair amount of national acts for music, but I also built. Y room for doing video, cd duplication (yes I still manufacture a couple thousand per month!), and performance production rehearsals. While the old school model is dead, the new world business model is “Own the real estate. Diversify your services, keep overhead low. Buy the best gear you can ALWAYS!” I realized several years ago that we’re moving towards doing more and more live drum tracking, guitar re amping, And vocal recording. It seems that most bands these days Have somebody in the band fencers themselves as a Producer or an engineer of some kind. What those people lack Is a large room to track live drums, Isolation. Rooms so that a band can play all at once, and a very expensive microphone locker. I sendout a lot of stems these days and my client Bass has become other engineers and producers, and not so much record companies or individual bands. So with my ability to do everything from videos documentaries in the style of music and have it all recorded with gear most people either can’t afford themselves, or would rather use the real version instead of plug-ins my studio is still booked seven days a week. But it Took a shift in thinking away from traditional recording, studio, business models. And it works great!

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +1

      Diversification is the key to making it in this industry. Some people are stet in their ways and don't realize they need to change until it is too late.

  • @stiptreezy8481
    @stiptreezy8481 Месяц назад +4

    I don’t think that big studios are done. They may be limited now but I don’t think they will ever truly be phased out.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +2

      Time will tell.

    • @cjmark67
      @cjmark67 Месяц назад

      Very Limited. Unless I'm out of touch I think in the Chicago area all that is left is CRC downtown (Chicago Recording Company). I was an intern at Universal Recording in '89 and they are long gone.

  • @KyMalveaux
    @KyMalveaux Месяц назад +2

    Thanks for that! Times keep changing, makes me wish I took more pictures...

  • @timothyd4y
    @timothyd4y Месяц назад

    Great insights, George. I miss the days of freelancing between all the great rooms that were here in Philly.

  • @allentastic
    @allentastic Месяц назад +5

    Blame capitalism. Executives and shareholders are to blame. The infinite growth model. That isn’t how art works.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +3

      There is a documentary call "How Music Got Free" by Alex Stapleton. This will give you some insight on what went wrong and why music has no value anymore.

    • @gilldavidmour4199
      @gilldavidmour4199 Месяц назад

      Blame capitalism??
      No. Blame the consumer wanting/expecting something for nothing.

    • @allentastic
      @allentastic Месяц назад

      @@gilldavidmour4199 yeah the folks at the bottom surely have more power to screw things up than a couple of incompetent suits who know NOTHING about music. Ever listen to artists talk about what’s wrong with the industry? I trust the folks who know the inner workings over a random boomer any day. Thanks 🙂

  • @avace917
    @avace917 Месяц назад +1

    This exactly how I felt when the last 2 Hit Factories in NYC, Sony, Unique, Soundtracks, etc closed. I'm actually surprised Quad is still open.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +1

      Some of those New York studios were sitting on very valuable real estate

    • @avace917
      @avace917 Месяц назад +1

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 oh I know. I worked in most of them.

  • @willmontgomery6221
    @willmontgomery6221 2 дня назад

    100% right on hiring professional engineers in big studios to fix the ADAT tracks. We did that many times in Miami at South Beach Studios back in the day. Back then we could only take it so far...the tracks were halfway decently recorded but being pre-DAW era, mixing was a mystery world best left to the pros.

  • @larryhudson6136
    @larryhudson6136 Месяц назад +4

    Welcome to the modern world. Recording studios, are going to be scaled back substantially moving forward... just like car manufacturing jobs, and many other careers, that can be replaced by information technology.
    There are experimental music venues, which have no PA, the audience only has headphones for listening to performances. Just a matter of time before the concert speaker industry has to scale back or go extinct. Electro-Voice and QSC don't even make dual 10 or dual 12 line array systems anymore.
    The present younger generation, listens to audio through earpieces, tablets, and smartphones, so they are comfortable hearing crappy audio.
    Unfortunately there is, little to no need for, high quality recording studios, when listeners don't care about fidelity.

  • @chopsquaddj1
    @chopsquaddj1 Месяц назад

    Was just there a few weeks ago. Made so many gold and platinum records here with legendary artist. The business mixed with the environment with all the homeless people laying around the street and entry did it. Smh

  • @KillbotAndGorGorAttack
    @KillbotAndGorGorAttack Месяц назад +1

    There will still be big studios for acts that can afford it. But there is definitely something magical about being surrounded by lots of gear, people who know what they’re doing… smaller budgets means smaller bands are going to smaller studios. Sometimes it sounds great, other times it sounds small because these bands/producers don’t know what they’re doing. Big studios will be where you can get those big sounds.

  • @grxengine6188
    @grxengine6188 Месяц назад

    I don’t think it will change just the place has moved. I’m in three Facebook groups for home studios & the pictures that many people upload are incredible. The studios people are building in large basements and other places are mind blowing. Not just a work room either. Big acoustically measured control rooms where they record and mix for a living. As nice as any studio I ever worked in. Record Plant can’t compete with that honestly.

  • @jeremythornton433
    @jeremythornton433 Месяц назад

    I'm a home studio guy. I would love to be able to spend time in a big studio every day but I can't afford it. I have a bunch of good gear and I like the freedom of being able to record any idea I want whenever I want. SO far I've got about 70 songs on Sound Cloud. Some are even alright. I'd love to work with other musicians too but I've found most are difficult to work with.

  • @SatishKumar-yv3ke
    @SatishKumar-yv3ke Месяц назад

    Love your takes on audio...i'm learning a lot. Hopefully this channel grows in to a Podcast.

  • @klaatuklaatu1
    @klaatuklaatu1 Месяц назад +1

    There will ALWAYS be recording studios. So many people need and love that retro analog sound.. There might only be a few in every State but that is all that is required at this time.. Which is fine.... We dont need a studio on every block BUT we still need to be able to go into one when we need to.. Special event...

  • @timjim10
    @timjim10 Месяц назад

    It’s always been challenging for a large studio to operate in the black. Today without a real ”recorded music industry" selling music instead of renting via streaming services, it has become impossible.

  • @phillipmarlowe0525
    @phillipmarlowe0525 Месяц назад +1

    People commented on Joe Santriani messing up during a song. I like that because he shows he plays live.
    Shame how AI destroyed true music. I recall hearing years ago that blues band would rehearse then record live in the studio. I wish it was that way today.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +1

      It should be that way. That is why many of the properly designed studios have sight lines so the musician can see each other for visual cues.

  • @blackllama4602
    @blackllama4602 Месяц назад +2

    Sad to hear

  • @JA-ut8fi
    @JA-ut8fi Месяц назад +1

    Damn, and I’ve been wanting to learn to work for a recording studio. I don’t think we have any in my city😔

  • @dojotelevision7076
    @dojotelevision7076 Месяц назад +1

    Nothing like being in a real studio it’s really expensive also the difference Simple and plain

  • @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
    @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY Месяц назад

    You can thank Acustica Audio, Plugin Alliance, Waves among other smaller hitters. RIP D&D Studios Manhattan NYC, too.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      I feel studios collect plug ins like baseball trading cards but do not use them. I got to do a video about that.

    • @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
      @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY Месяц назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 Hmmmm true but not entirely but do the video as you feel and/or must.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      Long time ago you could get cracked plug ins and use them for free. Eventually that problem was solved and studios had to pay for their plug ins. I remember people complaining that they could not afford to buy all the free plug ins that they had but when asked which plug ins do they really use on a daily basis it was only a few. Think about it - how many EQ plug ins do you need, how many dynamics plug ins do you need? In the end most studios have way more plug ins that they need or use. I feel it slows down production and kills the creative vibe. I have been doing this for over 30 years...

    • @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
      @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY Месяц назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 I hate to blow up spots as they say in Ebonics (Black American colloquialisms/idiom), but there's a RUclipsr who goes by the name of "Yish In Your Ear"....VERY ARTICULATE...VERY GOOD AT SINGING....yet he has not released a body of work in years and has cold feet because he's always waiting on the next better-best plugin so that he's also afraid of failure of releasing his music. He doesn't acquire pirated plugins, but he too is being held back and he doesn't need 75 percent of the plugins he has reviewed in the last couple of years whereas he could have been releasing his body of work to the public or whereever.

  • @badspike3963
    @badspike3963 Месяц назад

    'Incredible Product' is different than it was even 10 years ago. I'm amazed at how many older musicians these days insist and dream of going to a big studio for that next big song or album. Unfortunately, these people aren't heavily bankrolled. So instead of recording anything they just, languish in their unpopularity and wonder why. Times have changed. Natural Selection can occur.

  • @darrellhicks9024
    @darrellhicks9024 Месяц назад

    I was just randomly thinking about this and it’d be super cool if they could turn it into a museum or something.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      Sometimes if the local government gets involved something can happen but that is a long shot.

    • @darrellhicks9024
      @darrellhicks9024 Месяц назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 gotta tell them about how their favorite artists once recorded there. Maybe they’d care then?

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      You never know what will work

  • @ernieg
    @ernieg Месяц назад +1

    He is right. 💯

  • @RealHomeRecording
    @RealHomeRecording Месяц назад +1

    People no longer value music and as far as I'm concerned they deserve low Fidelity recordings.
    Edit: one big exception is Taylor Swift fans. For some reason they still value music. There are not enough Taylor Swift kind of musicians out there these days though.

  • @Nooneinparticular-uv9yg
    @Nooneinparticular-uv9yg Месяц назад +1

    Things change. I disagree fundamentally with the idea that “it was better in the past.” Humans have a hard time not looking at things through the lens of their own mortality. When things change, something is lost, something is gained. music has always been about the NEW. Music is a powerful force that transcends, now more than ever, taking on all trends and technology.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      I agree with you but there has to be a way to make music profitable for the artist that create the music.

  • @preciseaudioblog
    @preciseaudioblog Месяц назад +4

    Also... people don’t buy records anymore... there is not “music industry” anymore...

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +1

      Sure people are buying records now but that is a fraction of the sales the music industry use to do.

    • @Pod-e4m
      @Pod-e4m Месяц назад

      Good!

    • @preciseaudioblog
      @preciseaudioblog Месяц назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 Not even 3%

  • @bridgestreetdesign
    @bridgestreetdesign Месяц назад +1

    I got my start in the really big NY studios catering to the biggest stars of the time and I can’t say I’m sad to see those studios go. A lot of my favorite artists did their best work in small to medium studios, and when they “graduated” to the top flight studios the results sucked. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not a fan of bedroom productions either unless it’s the sort of music that doesn’t need an acoustic space bigger than a vocal booth. I’m a band guy and feel the biggest mistake going on today is bands not tracking live, but you don’t need a huge room for that. So Right Track, Power Station, Record Plant - not gonna miss them.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      I think what will be missed is the whole experience of the big studios. What I mean by that is having the seasoned professional working with at the big studio. Not just the engineers and their assistants but the tech staff that would keep everything running, the front office staff that kept the bills paid and kept constant business coming in and coordinating all of it.I think something between a bedroom studio and a large studio will become the new norm.

    • @bridgestreetdesign
      @bridgestreetdesign Месяц назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 I agree with you about the new norm (obviously there will still be a few huge studios for orchestras.) the rest of the people mentioned, with the exception of the engineer who IS the studio, are IMO not needed these days. The gear that required a tech staff back in the day isn’t really common anymore. When I was at right track there were two SSL E series that were constantly breaking down. How many studios these days have huge consoles in operation 24-7? Most engineers can handle modern studio maintenance. A studio manager is nice, especially if they can reel in clients, but I know plenty of studios that are doing ok without one. Maybe it’s my anti-brouhaha nature, but I just want it to be the band and the engineer. I don’t want David Bowie recording in the next room, even though he was mind bogglingly talented and by all reports a very nice man. I’ll pass on the big studio experience.

  • @Yawsounds
    @Yawsounds Месяц назад +2

    Sad evolution of our industry

  • @rjmprod
    @rjmprod Месяц назад

    We’re seeing the end of an era….!

  • @justin.johnson
    @justin.johnson Месяц назад +1

    Damn, i worked at Record Plant amongst others that have also closed

  • @spikerzombie
    @spikerzombie Месяц назад +2

    I don’t understand why they don’t try looking for the young talent

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +7

      Somebody still needs to pay the young talent and there are no budgets for that. Sad situation. Everyone feels it when music has no value anymore...

  • @GYMusic
    @GYMusic Месяц назад

    MGM Recording Studio/Cherokee on Fairfax were the best sounding L.A. studios ever.

  • @mikej6565
    @mikej6565 Месяц назад

    Recording studios as a business model are history. It won't be long before there are none left because everyone is happy recording their own content or having a friend record them for cheap on a laptop. Good bye 20th century.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      Some will still make it as the need for large rooms will come up but the budgets are gone for sure.

  • @dgcorozco
    @dgcorozco Месяц назад

    UNLESS YOU HAVE 2 MILLION DOLLARS TO SPEND ON BUILDING YOUR OWN STUDIO YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THE QUALITY OF SONIC AUDIO U WILL GET VERSES A CLASS A COMMERCIAL STUDIO LIKE THIS

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      Two million will built a beautiful studio but how do you recoup that money if there is not enough demand for your facility...that is the rub...

  • @the_handsome_bear
    @the_handsome_bear Месяц назад

    This is good stuff 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿

  • @gilldavidmour4199
    @gilldavidmour4199 2 дня назад

    4:50 'Let's Dance'

  • @676bun
    @676bun Месяц назад +1

    the music industry has been dead for years, I dont buy music online (old school i gues), when i want to by a cd, i have to make a special trip an 1.5 hrs to the mom and pop record shop otherwise there are no more record stores near by anymore (they all died in the dead malls all over the country)

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад +1

      That's the way it use to be. The anticipation of new music coming out and buying the record or CD.

  • @currentphonograph7487
    @currentphonograph7487 Месяц назад

    When I have enough songs 2 record again, will bee inside A professional recording studio

  • @Kaireyzabella2006
    @Kaireyzabella2006 Месяц назад

    I can’t believe it’s gone forever😭😭😭😭😭😭 whyyyyyyyyyy lady Gaga recorded bad romance and poker face there😭

  • @joesalyers
    @joesalyers Месяц назад

    It closing because of the homeless problem right outside. They have attacked clients and robbed people and the city did nothing there was a news story about it just about 6 months ago. Taylor Swift couldn’t even walk to the gas station and get a drink because of the homeless and told the owners she would never come back.So let’s be honest if they would just move their operations to a more affordable place they could keep working but the owners are old and want out.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      Rebuilding a large studio complex at a new location would cost the owners a lot of money up front for the construction and the industry is slowing down so no incentive for them to do it. The homeless issue the local government has to step in - that is an even sadder situation...

    • @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY
      @TheReal_E.IRIZARRY Месяц назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 Agreed.

  • @dizmix
    @dizmix Месяц назад

    😥😭

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  Месяц назад

      Sad situation

    • @dizmix
      @dizmix Месяц назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 The advent of SSL 360 might have been the last straw... 😅

  • @kinghandlee
    @kinghandlee 18 дней назад

    This industry is dying. Budget is tighter. And a lot of clients don't know what a good sound is. So home studio is enough for most of them.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  18 дней назад

      I think once someone hears good sound they want good sound.

    • @kinghandlee
      @kinghandlee 18 дней назад

      @@fantastictalesofproaudio2391 Yes. But more and more people hire cheap engineers from the very beginning. They never heard what their sound should be.

    • @fantastictalesofproaudio2391
      @fantastictalesofproaudio2391  17 дней назад

      Sad situation

  • @butterbagboy
    @butterbagboy Месяц назад

    Meh