Faramir was one of my favorite characters in the books. He was - in a very real sense - the Aragorn of the Stewards. The true Steward who was to restore the line. I was disappointed by how he was portrayed in the films, but I understand. It would have taken a lot more exposition and back story to make him more like the character in the books.
I think all you would have to do is just include a few of his speeches. The moment that he catches a swooning and weary Frodo when he says he has to get into Mordor is a great moment. And how he helps them afterwards, knowing the peril of their quest now.
Thr movies were so flawed. I see it now after reading the books. The movies were a caricature. There were so many parts that were not even expanded upon in the movie and the viewers were expected to just follow it along.
"Where does my allegiance lie if not here?" This is the city of the Men of Númenor. I will gladly give my life to defend her beauty, her memory, her wisdom." Still liked film Faramir a lot for this line even if I prefer book Faramir.
@@henrypaleveda7760 Forced? I think they tried to add a bit of flaws to his character so he could be more realistic. I love his character arc, both in the movies and the books.
@@sofiu-v3p I'm fine with adding flaws for the betterment of the character (in relateablity or otherwise), but I just think that they could have taken another route,although the one who would be king fearing the responsibility that comes with it (or the fate that comes with it)is pretty good. At any rate, it's only a minor gripe of mine.
I didn’t have any problems with movie faramir though I prefer the book version. I understand why pj made the changes he did. To stay 100% true to the books it would have required additional exposition that would make the movies even longer and more grueling for the casual viewer.
“War will make corpses of us all” One of the few truly underrated characters in the story; bad enough he lost his brother but to deal with a parent that doesn’t show any love for you? Ouch He kinda always reminded me of The Titan Atlas from Greek mythology; he seemed to almost literally carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. At least he got the proper ending we all wanted for the hero behind the scenes :)
@Corvid-19 Yeah telling your son you wished he died so that his brother lived is messed up on a whole different level. I'll bet even Sauron or the Witch King took one look at that and thought "Damn."
@Corvid-19 My parents never picked favorites. There were nine of us and neither of us were ever treated differently or given special treatment from one another. Maybe some parents pick favorites but that's not all of them.
@@IronDragon-2143 they say that so that u don’t feel any less loved which is good but their is a tendency of bias depending on which child’s is more well behaved or lives up to their parents expectations
Yes he even gave the great wave dream to Faramir while Tolkien had that too in real life . Also how Tolkien thought of numenor is exactly given to Faramir to say .
Faramir is one of my favorite characters of the story. He is one of a small group of characters that will be tested by the presence of the Ring. Only one of these characters fails the test of the Ring and this is his brother Boromir. Boromir is my favorite charcter of the story. He tries to take the Ring and only after it is beyond his grasp does he realize his folly and rather then chase after the Ring gives his life in defense of Merry and Pippin. This is what Faramir must confront when the Ring is now within his grasp. The loss of his Brother and the chance to serve his Father. I think this is one of the hardest tests out of all of them that we see in the story. I think it is one that we may most identify with. The desire to have the Wisdom to see what we must do despite our personal feelings and commitments. It is not the last test but it was a great feeling to see the Wisdom of Faramir when reading the story that first time. How we fretted that Faramir cannot die because he was a noble soul. Somebody save Faramir because we did not want to relive the Death of Boromir.
Second sons have a habit of looking to find some place between the glory our fathers expect and the mercy our fathers deserve. I know this first hand. Thank you, Yoystan, for once again shining a light on someone JRR wanted to make a point about.
honestly one of the best characters in the series... 100% my favourite. sure he was done wrong in the film, but i understand why they did it... there should be a second version of the film where everything is the same, but Faramir is as he is in the book. PS any dislikes are obviously from Denethor
Mae g'ovannen Mellon! Thank you for this. Lord Faramir rightfully deserves the title of the Steward of Gondor! And as usual, perfect narration! Keep it up!
I agree, Faramir is a lil underrated in the movie. imo only Aragorn overcame more trials/hardships than Faramir during tlotr as far as men a concerned. But its Denethor who really got screwed over by p.js movies, in the book denethor is an awesome noble man with the blood of numenor flowing in his veins
Yeah and the movie cud be 10 hours long.... (which i would love but a bit of a hard sell for the directors) Faramir literally has the ring at his finger tips and lets it go.... if that isnt showing hes a man of quality then i dont know what is
Another great video! Faramir is such a great character and one I wish was mentioned more in the books and movies. He is a man of great strength in character as was loyal to his King and the people of Gondor and the love he bore for them truly showed.
Faramir also reminds me of myself because I would fight if need be but I’d just want to enjoy my days with family and friends and if I did have to fight I’d only be to protect myself or my loved ones! Also I’m very excited to see how the silmarillion, one ring, and arkenstone are similar I think we can already figure out one common denominator. They all make people crazy!
True but often those that resist greed and power can be revealed as the most pure hearted and noblest of people! Like Aragorn and faramir and many more great heroes!!
The books: "But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo." The movies: "ThE RiNg WiLl gO To gOnDoR!" ...So it begins. Faramir in the books was literally the personification of the Perfect Knight. He never had a single moment's doubt as to what his duty was regarding Frodo and the Ring. He willfully went against what he knew his father the steward's wishes would be, right from the start. Boromir was second to none with swordplay, but Faramir was only just barely behind him. Furthermore he had also been tutored by Gandalf, so he knew medicine and lore and language and was an extremely complete package. He even looked forward to and supported the return of a rightful king to Gondor. He fully embodied the knights of old, and it mildly enraged me that the films took the liberty of giving him hubris similar to Boromir. The entire point of his character is to emphasize the contrast between the imperfect father's love for the imperfect son, while the perfect son stood disdained in the shadows yet made perfect choices...choices worthy of a prince, which he ended up becoming...at every single turn. Faramir is proof of the potential "strength of Man" other than Aragorn. It could be argued that Faramir's existence proves both Gandalf and Boromir right. Gandalf knew and therefore was specifically referring to Aragorn when he made his claim, and Boromir was on his deathbed after failing himself, when he made his. Since Tolkien was all about parallels and connections, this all makes me wonder if Boromir was specifically referring to his brother Faramir. Everybody picks examples based on their own personal experiences, right? If true, then here is yet another layer of depth to his character that Jackson blasted into oblivion in his attempt to make him more "relatably human." Which in turn says something in and of itself. If Faramir's original perfect character was considered unrelatable, then this logically means one of two things. Either Jackson himself couldn't personally relate to a human of that virtue, or he didn't think that anybody else in his target audience could. ...I feel like we should all be equally insulted by both possibilities.
Very true. There were a number of changes that Jackson made to the story I dislike but the character assassination of Faramir was by some way the worst!
The treatment of Faramir always saddens me because he was the most noble of the 'regular men' who weren't Numenoreans. Thus, I wanted to relate to Faramir because he was aspirational.
@@rjward1775 Very true and it seemed such a pointless perversion of the story. I can see why he mis-reperesented Helm's Deep because he wanted to pull some Elves in as the saviours of an hopeless situation but there was no reason for what he did to Faramir. Have seen a suggestion it was to change the timing because of other things he had done but then there's enough fuzziness in Frodo and Sam's travels to allow for that.
I can definitely see him and Faramir showing the depths of their brotherly affection. Look no further than the deleted scene from the Two Towers along with how Boromir acted when he got tackled by the Hobbits.
@@BigBWolf90 how would the last defense of Minas Tirith change with Boromir leading the charge with his brother and Gandalf the White at the gate. Deneathor wouldn't go mad with sadness and could mount a stronger defense against the Orcs.
@@shadowofchaos8932 well Aragorn could have sent Boromir with Legolas and Gimli after Merry and Pippin so Aragorn would have met Faramir while Boromir helped Rohan at Helm's Deep. That's one option
@@BigBWolf90 Yes. Boromir could rise the Rohirrim faster too. The stand at Minas Tirith would be stronger with more warning from Aragorn and Rohan. Would the last bridge over the Anduin still fall?
There is such a contrast in the Faramir of the book and the movie. Moving from a heroic character to a slightly less heroic and stubborn one. Thanks Yoystan love these lore videos, still looking forward to those versus ones though.
How would the books have changed if Faramir had been sent to Rivenedll as was supposed to happen and not Boromir been sent and become part of the Nine Walkers?
I’ve often wondered that myself. Possibly with his death protecting the hobbits... but I feel strongly that he wouldn’t have succumbed to the ring’s temptation like his brother
Farmir alive and fighting on in Osgiliath instead and the party not splitting (which may cause worse consequences) Farmir would not take the ring from Frodo or attempt to do so. the group would cross the river together and here is where the trickle effects begin. they would not have relied on goulum/semgol for a guide. From here Frodo and Sam had relied on stealth and passed a considerable number of orc divisions spies and other assortments of creatures. It could be argued that they would have all stopped at the gate [that this would be the end of their ques is vallid but it is likely that they would have come into conflict with easterlings or orcs attempting to find a way into Mrdor].
Yoystan did a theory video on this some time ago. The general thrust of it is that things would've gone too well. Faramir, despite his strong resistance to it, would have eventually been corrupted by being so close to the ring for such an extended time leading to the quest's failure. I agree with this theory, because if Frodo was eventually corrupted by the ring, Faramir most certainly would have been as well.
Boromir barely made it to Rivendell after a journey mostly alone and over a year. In Unfinished Tales Tolkien says Boromir's journey was something few would know of, something incredibly courageous.
Awesome video, Faramir has been my favorite character since I saw return of the king and then I liked him even more after reading the books. I'm so glad he got the happy ending he definitely deserved
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I like both versions of Faramir, the book and the movie. I do agree he was changed too much for the film, but I can see where they were coming from and he definitely makes up for it in the extended edition of Return of the King. :)
Thank you for this video! Faramir has always been a favorite character of mine. So noble, good, and honorable. This video helps ease the wounds that the LOTR films caused, in their horrendous treatment of Faramir's character.
Faramir wasn't sent on some "insane suicide mission" to try and retake Osgiliath. He was sent out to defend Rammas Echor, the wall that surrounds the Pelennor Fields and Minis Tirith. The wall isn't shown in the movies. He wasn't sent out by Denethor because of some crazy man's vindictiveness either (like it's semi alluded to be in the movie). It was a genuine military campaign to damage Sauron's forces and delay them at the wall while as many defenses as possible could be devised and put in place, as well as buying time for allies to hopefully arrive. Faramir spoke against the idea because he, Gandalf, and Denethor all knew they didn't have the manpower to effectively defend the wall, but Faramir went forward and did his duty. Gandalf just asked him basically not to throw away his life trying to "impress dad". Fast forward a bit to the bursting of the gates of Minis Tirith by Grond. At the moment the Witch King rides through the shattered gate and faces Gandalf the horns of Rohann blow and the Witch King is forced to lead his forces out to battle the Rohirrim. That's how close it came to battle being at the gate or even within the city. That delaying action at Rammas Echor may have saved a lot of potential grief and few people seem to catch that. Denethor may have been a asshole sending Faramir out there, but it wound up being the correct thing to do strategically in the battle.
@Men of the West Here's a excerpt from "Letter 66" A new character has come on the scene (I am sure I did not invent him, I did not even want him, though I like him, but there he came walking into the woods of Ithilien): Faramir, the brother of Boromir - and he is holding up the 'catastrophe' by a lot of stuff about the history of Gondor and Rohan (with some very sound reflections no doubt on martial glory and true glory): but if he goes on much more a lot of him will have to be removed to the appendices - where already some fascinating material on the hobbit Tobacco industry and the Languages of the West have gone. There has been a battle - with a monstrous Oliphaunt (the Mâmuk of Harad) included - and after a short while in a cave behind a waterfall, I think I shall get Sam and Frodo at last into Kirith Ungol and the webs of the Spiders. Then the Great Offensive will burst out. And so with the death of Theoden (by a Nazgûl) and the arrival of the hosts of the White Rider before the Gates of Mordor we shall reach the denouement and the swift unravelling. As soon as I can get the new matter written legibly, I will have it typed and sent to you. Also it goes to show even Tolkien made spelling mistakes
What Faramir stood for, as you said, are the things that the Kings of Numenor stood for at the very beginning. And had he not been as prideful, Denethor would have stood for as well. As Legolas said--"If Gondor still has such men in its waning, great must have been its Glory in its beginning."
Thank goodness! I first read the title of the video as Faramir, Captain of the Guard, and I immedietly thought: "Oh no!!!! Poor Beregond has been demoted! for to my remembrance it t'was Beregond who was captain of the guard at least in Minas Tirith... XD
I want to see more ME movies. I know we're getting a Amazon show about the second age and Numenor, but I feel Tolkien stuff belongs in the big screen. WB sould adapt stories they are allowed to from the LOTR appendix. What about a anthology trilogy? My ideas for it: -First movie would be the Oath of Eorl. I want to see how Rohan came to be and the alliance with Gondor. Also we could see more of the Easterlings in action. This can be also a great oppertunity to involve Galadriel yet again. She helped Eorl and the eothed crossing Mirkwood with the mystical mist. I would expanded it more by letting them meet up with a squad of elves lead by Haldir. They guide the eotheds to the Field of Celebrant and may participate in skirmishes with orcs and easterlings. Movie concludes with Eorl and Cirion swearing the legendary oath. -Second and third movie is Battle of Dale and, Dol Guldur assault on Mirkwood and Lorien. I would let the Mouth of Sauron lead the fight against Mirkwood, while Khamul attacks Lorien. The movie will conclude with Galadriel destroying Dol Guldur. I think this trilogy will bring back the grand scale of what the Hobbit lacks.
Hey, Yoystan I am a huge fan. I was wondering if you could do a video talking about, not Tolkiens characters, but Tolkien himself. Could you do an Epic Character History-sort of video talking about the life of J.R.R. Tolkien.
He still is my favorite character, was a bit irritated to how he was portrayed in Two Towers but at least a bit more of his character was shown in the extended version of Return of the King.
You left out how Faramir recognised that Aragorn was his king the moment he laid eyes on him in the houses of healing even though Aragorn had entered the city in secret and laid no claim
This Channel also, is of Quality. The Very Highest. I am glad we saw Osgiliath in the films, much as I generally have distaste for film diverging from books.
Tolkien gave him the best lines because he was projecting thru Faramir in the books. He was caught off guard by him because he always wanted someone to express himself I liked letter 244 where he explains Faramir
The treatment of Faramir in the movie version was a disappointment to me. In the book, he was able to resist any temptation to take The Ring. He didn't mistreat Gollum/Sméagol. He sent the Hobbits on their way with extra food and stout, oaken staves.
The only thing I thought you were missing from this video of faramir was the speech when the Aragon returned to the gate to the city any truly showed his character and recognizing and realizing who the true king of the United Kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor was any he called forth to the people to notify them as the ruling steward
*Faramir* was one of the things I had a problem with in Jackson's films. I too really liked his portrayal in the books. It disappointed me that the numenorean in him was not evident in the film. He was simply portrayed as _a decent guy._ It was such a lesser portrayal in the films that, even knowing *Faramir* from the books, I still found there to be issues with what I saw on film. I recognize and understand that certain changes have to be made. But I felt this one was mishandled. Having said that, I think Peter Jackson did a masterful job, all told.
Faramir is a character that is written so well in the Books. I prefer him there, he resists the corruption of the Ring and has kind words for Frodo when he swoons because of his weariness, saying he has to find a way into Mordor. It's a shame that this dialogue is not included in the film. The screenplay is workmanlike, but lacks the nuances in the Book. The screenwriters wanted to keep the ring as a perilously corrupting force. They don't highlight in the films that he turns it down and really tries to help Frodo and Sam.
I always thought Faramir and Eowyn roled in Edoras because of what Theoden said in the movie and I am sure Gondor would bring back alot of memories to him and not alot of good ones. Also remember in the movie there is a deleted scene where Faramir was having a flashback memory of the day his brother left for Rivendell and it turns out Boromire was doing his father a favor by going there that really didn't want to go at all and did that really happen? Also what whave happened if Faramir went to Rivendell instead of Boromire?
Finally, a chance for Faramir, a captain of Gondor, to show his quality.
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He looks like a Breton. The part man part high elf.
He's shown his quality, sir. The very highest.
"Always you cast a poor reflection on me"
Faramir was one of my favorite characters in the books. He was - in a very real sense - the Aragorn of the Stewards. The true Steward who was to restore the line. I was disappointed by how he was portrayed in the films, but I understand. It would have taken a lot more exposition and back story to make him more like the character in the books.
same goes for his brother...
I think all you would have to do is just include a few of his speeches. The moment that he catches a swooning and weary Frodo when he says he has to get into Mordor is a great moment. And how he helps them afterwards, knowing the peril of their quest now.
His suicidal charge, for nothing more than retaining his honor, was all the exposition I needed on him.
Thr movies were so flawed. I see it now after reading the books. The movies were a caricature. There were so many parts that were not even expanded upon in the movie and the viewers were expected to just follow it along.
Either way, I do like how he was portrayed in the films. He is different, but still able to show his quality
Faramir: A noble lord who fights for the peace that will follow the war
Denethor: Eats tomatoes
"Where does my allegiance lie if not here?" This is the city of the Men of Númenor. I will gladly give my life to defend her beauty, her memory, her wisdom."
Still liked film Faramir a lot for this line even if I prefer book Faramir.
"Your father loves you Faramir. He will remember before the day is out."
they made him farmir a jerk for most of his scenes because forced conflict; if they stuck a little closer either would work
@@henrypaleveda7760 Forced? I think they tried to add a bit of flaws to his character so he could be more realistic. I love his character arc, both in the movies and the books.
@@sofiu-v3p I'm fine with adding flaws for the betterment of the character (in relateablity or otherwise), but I just think that they could have taken another route,although the one who would be king fearing the responsibility that comes with it (or the fate that comes with it)is pretty good. At any rate, it's only a minor gripe of mine.
I didn’t have any problems with movie faramir though I prefer the book version. I understand why pj made the changes he did. To stay 100% true to the books it would have required additional exposition that would make the movies even longer and more grueling for the casual viewer.
“War will make corpses of us all”
One of the few truly underrated characters in the story; bad enough he lost his brother but to deal with a parent that doesn’t show any love for you? Ouch
He kinda always reminded me of The Titan Atlas from Greek mythology; he seemed to almost literally carry the weight of the world on his shoulders. At least he got the proper ending we all wanted for the hero behind the scenes :)
Faramir's story always made me sad. The fact his Dad chose to play favorites was a real tear jerker.
@Corvid-19 Yeah telling your son you wished he died so that his brother lived is messed up on a whole different level. I'll bet even Sauron or the Witch King took one look at that and thought "Damn."
Corvid-19 parents say they don’t have favorite, but we all know they do
@Corvid-19 My parents never picked favorites. There were nine of us and neither of us were ever treated differently or given special treatment from one another.
Maybe some parents pick favorites but that's not all of them.
@@IronDragon-2143 If it turned out they had favorites but don't show it and treat you all as equal as they can, would you mind?
@@IronDragon-2143 they say that so that u don’t feel any less loved which is good but their is a tendency of bias depending on which child’s is more well behaved or lives up to their parents expectations
Faramir is such a wonderful example of courage, wisdom, and humility. He's one of my favorites and I'm happy to see him get his own video.
I whoud really like a epic character history about Fëanor
Behold the chosen one!
Yes please. Fëanor is my absolute favourite disaster.
Yes! He's my favourite fireball.
I hear Faramir is the character that people say is the most similar to Tolkien other than Samwise Gamgee.
In fact, Tolkien himself said he thought Faramir was most likened to himself in all aspects exert bravery. Cool right?
@@SpindlyMoon fantastic thanks for sharing that
Yes he even gave the great wave dream to Faramir while Tolkien had that too in real life . Also how Tolkien thought of numenor is exactly given to Faramir to say .
Faramir is one of my favorite characters of the story. He is one of a small group of characters that will be tested by the presence of the Ring. Only one of these characters fails the test of the Ring and this is his brother Boromir. Boromir is my favorite charcter of the story. He tries to take the Ring and only after it is beyond his grasp does he realize his folly and rather then chase after the Ring gives his life in defense of Merry and Pippin.
This is what Faramir must confront when the Ring is now within his grasp. The loss of his Brother and the chance to serve his Father. I think this is one of the hardest tests out of all of them that we see in the story. I think it is one that we may most identify with. The desire to have the Wisdom to see what we must do despite our personal feelings and commitments.
It is not the last test but it was a great feeling to see the Wisdom of Faramir when reading the story that first time. How we fretted that Faramir cannot die because he was a noble soul. Somebody save Faramir because we did not want to relive the Death of Boromir.
Very well written friend
Why the hell didn’t we have this Faramir in the films? He’s got a great head on his shoulders.
This video was a chance for Yoystan, Historian of Arda, to show his quality.
Minstrel of Arda
Faramir was always one of my favorite characters; yet so "slighted" in the movies. Thanks for bringing out his true character in this video.
Second sons have a habit of looking to find some place between the glory our fathers expect and the mercy our fathers deserve.
I know this first hand. Thank you, Yoystan, for once again shining a light on someone JRR wanted to make a point about.
"In this hour, I do not believe that any darkness will endure" - Faramir to Eowyn
Love those 2 together.
I love Faramir, wether it be from the books or movies. They were both really good
honestly one of the best characters in the series... 100% my favourite. sure he was done wrong in the film, but i understand why they did it... there should be a second version of the film where everything is the same, but Faramir is as he is in the book.
PS any dislikes are obviously from Denethor
That one dislike must be Denethor
I would think Golam and Sméagol might account for 2 more.
Mae g'ovannen Mellon!
Thank you for this. Lord Faramir rightfully deserves the title of the Steward of Gondor!
And as usual, perfect narration!
Keep it up!
Peter Jackson's treatment of Faramir, is one if the things I like least about the movie version.
It's an older gripe sir, but it checks out
I agree, Faramir is a lil underrated in the movie. imo only Aragorn overcame more trials/hardships than Faramir during tlotr as far as men a concerned. But its Denethor who really got screwed over by p.js movies, in the book denethor is an awesome noble man with the blood of numenor flowing in his veins
Same. You don't take a noble man's honor and crap all over it like Jackson did!
Faramir was wise and lordly. He wasn't portrayed very well in the movie.
Yeah and the movie cud be 10 hours long.... (which i would love but a bit of a hard sell for the directors) Faramir literally has the ring at his finger tips and lets it go.... if that isnt showing hes a man of quality then i dont know what is
Another great video! Faramir is such a great character and one I wish was mentioned more in the books and movies. He is a man of great strength in character as was loyal to his King and the people of Gondor and the love he bore for them truly showed.
Faramir has always been, and always will be, my favorite character. His quiet heroism, his kindness, wisdom and selfishness
Selflessness - I think. One of the very best characters, always love him
@@alisonalcock5218 yes that's what I meant 😊
Honestly Faramir one of my favorite if not my favorite character.
Faramir also reminds me of myself because I would fight if need be but I’d just want to enjoy my days with family and friends and if I did have to fight I’d only be to protect myself or my loved ones! Also I’m very excited to see how the silmarillion, one ring, and arkenstone are similar I think we can already figure out one common denominator. They all make people crazy!
It's a tale as old as time. Greed and a thirst for power can corrupt even the best men.
True but often those that resist greed and power can be revealed as the most pure hearted and noblest of people! Like Aragorn and faramir and many more great heroes!!
"Faramir reminds me of myself"
Careful now... one of Faramir's noblest qualities was humility.
Hello there! Very interesting history even for a Jedi! Thank you!
General Kenobi.
Hello there!
You are a bold one!
The books: "But fear no more! I would not take this thing, if it lay by the highway. Not were Minas Tirith falling in ruin and I alone could save her, so, using the weapon of the Dark Lord for her good and my glory. No, I do not wish for such triumphs, Frodo son of Drogo."
The movies: "ThE RiNg WiLl gO To gOnDoR!"
...So it begins.
Faramir in the books was literally the personification of the Perfect Knight. He never had a single moment's doubt as to what his duty was regarding Frodo and the Ring.
He willfully went against what he knew his father the steward's wishes would be, right from the start. Boromir was second to none with swordplay, but Faramir was only just barely behind him. Furthermore he had also been tutored by Gandalf, so he knew medicine and lore and language and was an extremely complete package. He even looked forward to and supported the return of a rightful king to Gondor.
He fully embodied the knights of old, and it mildly enraged me that the films took the liberty of giving him hubris similar to Boromir. The entire point of his character is to emphasize the contrast between the imperfect father's love for the imperfect son, while the perfect son stood disdained in the shadows yet made perfect choices...choices worthy of a prince, which he ended up becoming...at every single turn.
Faramir is proof of the potential "strength of Man" other than Aragorn. It could be argued that Faramir's existence proves both Gandalf and Boromir right.
Gandalf knew and therefore was specifically referring to Aragorn when he made his claim, and Boromir was on his deathbed after failing himself, when he made his.
Since Tolkien was all about parallels and connections, this all makes me wonder if Boromir was specifically referring to his brother Faramir. Everybody picks examples based on their own personal experiences, right?
If true, then here is yet another layer of depth to his character that Jackson blasted into oblivion in his attempt to make him more "relatably human."
Which in turn says something in and of itself. If Faramir's original perfect character was considered unrelatable, then this logically means one of two things. Either Jackson himself couldn't personally relate to a human of that virtue, or he didn't think that anybody else in his target audience could.
...I feel like we should all be equally insulted by both possibilities.
Very true. There were a number of changes that Jackson made to the story I dislike but the character assassination of Faramir was by some way the worst!
The treatment of Faramir always saddens me because he was the most noble of the 'regular men' who weren't Numenoreans.
Thus, I wanted to relate to Faramir because he was aspirational.
@@rjward1775 Very true and it seemed such a pointless perversion of the story. I can see why he mis-reperesented Helm's Deep because he wanted to pull some Elves in as the saviours of an hopeless situation but there was no reason for what he did to Faramir. Have seen a suggestion it was to change the timing because of other things he had done but then there's enough fuzziness in Frodo and Sam's travels to allow for that.
Makes me wonder, what if Boromir survived at the parting? How would the books change with him alive?
I can definitely see him and Faramir showing the depths of their brotherly affection. Look no further than the deleted scene from the Two Towers along with how Boromir acted when he got tackled by the Hobbits.
@@BigBWolf90 how would the last defense of Minas Tirith change with Boromir leading the charge with his brother and Gandalf the White at the gate. Deneathor wouldn't go mad with sadness and could mount a stronger defense against the Orcs.
@@shadowofchaos8932 well Aragorn could have sent Boromir with Legolas and Gimli after Merry and Pippin so Aragorn would have met Faramir while Boromir helped Rohan at Helm's Deep. That's one option
@@BigBWolf90 Yes. Boromir could rise the Rohirrim faster too. The stand at Minas Tirith would be stronger with more warning from Aragorn and Rohan. Would the last bridge over the Anduin still fall?
@@shadowofchaos8932 it still could but possibly less casualties
There is such a contrast in the Faramir of the book and the movie. Moving from a heroic character to a slightly less heroic and stubborn one. Thanks Yoystan love these lore videos, still looking forward to those versus ones though.
How would the books have changed if Faramir had been sent to Rivenedll as was supposed to happen and not Boromir been sent and become part of the Nine Walkers?
I’ve often wondered that myself. Possibly with his death protecting the hobbits... but I feel strongly that he wouldn’t have succumbed to the ring’s temptation like his brother
There is a what if video on this topic. Check it out
Farmir alive and fighting on in Osgiliath instead and the party not splitting (which may cause worse consequences) Farmir would not take the ring from Frodo or attempt to do so. the group would cross the river together and here is where the trickle effects begin. they would not have relied on goulum/semgol for a guide. From here Frodo and Sam had relied on stealth and passed a considerable number of orc divisions spies and other assortments of creatures. It could be argued that they would have all stopped at the gate [that this would be the end of their ques is vallid but it is likely that they would have come into conflict with easterlings or orcs attempting to find a way into Mrdor].
Yoystan did a theory video on this some time ago. The general thrust of it is that things would've gone too well. Faramir, despite his strong resistance to it, would have eventually been corrupted by being so close to the ring for such an extended time leading to the quest's failure. I agree with this theory, because if Frodo was eventually corrupted by the ring, Faramir most certainly would have been as well.
Boromir barely made it to Rivendell after a journey mostly alone and over a year. In Unfinished Tales Tolkien says Boromir's journey was something few would know of, something incredibly courageous.
Awesome video, Faramir has been my favorite character since I saw return of the king and then I liked him even more after reading the books. I'm so glad he got the happy ending he definitely deserved
Yes. One of my favourite characters.
Faramir is one of my favourite characters. Thanks so much for doing this mellonin!
Faramir - an example to us all. A noble man!
Faramir truly is a man to aspire to, a hero to look up to, and a kind soul to hearken to.
Alas, Book Faramir and Film Faramir differ so much from each other in qualities.
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I like both versions of Faramir, the book and the movie. I do agree he was changed too much for the film, but I can see where they were coming from and he definitely makes up for it in the extended edition of Return of the King. :)
tbh Faramir is precious and needs to be protected at all costs.
Great video man
Awesome video! Faramir deserves the love. A little sad that the meaning of his name "Sufficient Jewel" wasn't included though
Thank you for this video! Faramir has always been a favorite character of mine. So noble, good, and honorable. This video helps ease the wounds that the LOTR films caused, in their horrendous treatment of Faramir's character.
Faramir wasn't sent on some "insane suicide mission" to try and retake Osgiliath. He was sent out to defend Rammas Echor, the wall that surrounds the Pelennor Fields and Minis Tirith. The wall isn't shown in the movies. He wasn't sent out by Denethor because of some crazy man's vindictiveness either (like it's semi alluded to be in the movie).
It was a genuine military campaign to damage Sauron's forces and delay them at the wall while as many defenses as possible could be devised and put in place, as well as buying time for allies to hopefully arrive. Faramir spoke against the idea because he, Gandalf, and Denethor all knew they didn't have the manpower to effectively defend the wall, but Faramir went forward and did his duty. Gandalf just asked him basically not to throw away his life trying to "impress dad".
Fast forward a bit to the bursting of the gates of Minis Tirith by Grond. At the moment the Witch King rides through the shattered gate and faces Gandalf the horns of Rohann blow and the Witch King is forced to lead his forces out to battle the Rohirrim. That's how close it came to battle being at the gate or even within the city. That delaying action at Rammas Echor may have saved a lot of potential grief and few people seem to catch that. Denethor may have been a asshole sending Faramir out there, but it wound up being the correct thing to do strategically in the battle.
@Men of the West Here's a excerpt from "Letter 66"
A new character has come on the scene (I am sure I did not invent him, I did not even
want him, though I like him, but there he came walking into the woods of Ithilien): Faramir, the
brother of Boromir - and he is holding up the 'catastrophe' by a lot of stuff about the history of
Gondor and Rohan (with some very sound reflections no doubt on martial glory and true glory): but
if he goes on much more a lot of him will have to be removed to the appendices - where already
some fascinating material on the hobbit Tobacco industry and the Languages of the West have
gone. There has been a battle - with a monstrous Oliphaunt (the Mâmuk of Harad) included - and
after a short while in a cave behind a waterfall, I think I shall get Sam and Frodo at last into Kirith
Ungol and the webs of the Spiders. Then the Great Offensive will burst out. And so with the death
of Theoden (by a Nazgûl) and the arrival of the hosts of the White Rider before the Gates of Mordor
we shall reach the denouement and the swift unravelling. As soon as I can get the new matter
written legibly, I will have it typed and sent to you.
Also it goes to show even Tolkien made spelling mistakes
What Faramir stood for, as you said, are the things that the Kings of Numenor stood for at the very beginning. And had he not been as prideful, Denethor would have stood for as well. As Legolas said--"If Gondor still has such men in its waning, great must have been its Glory in its beginning."
That blasted Palantir did him a grievous ill 🤣
My men tell me that you are an Orc spy.
Victor Bruant - “Frodo Baggins is my name, and this is Samwise Gamgee.”
“Your bodyguard?”
“His gardener.”
Underrated moment, imo.
Nice work dude
Thank goodness! I first read the title of the video as Faramir, Captain of the Guard, and I immedietly thought: "Oh no!!!! Poor Beregond has been demoted! for to my remembrance it t'was Beregond who was captain of the guard at least in Minas Tirith... XD
Faramir is a perfect model of true manhood!
Faramir was not sent on a suicide mission to osgliath. He was sent to defend the pelennor wall, yes we do not see it in the movie
Finally, a chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality
Do you think Gandalf participated in the War of Wrath? I can't wait for his epic character history
Quite possibly! Honestly you bring up a good point! Indeed, that will be quite the intricate video :)
@@MenoftheWest i assume all of the Ainur participated in the War of Wrath, just don't know if there is text that supports my thoughts
Faramir might be my all time favorite Tolkien character so far. Huan is close behind though cause he’s a good puppy.
Who's a good boy?
Finally, a chance for Yoystan, an uploader on RUclips, to show his quality... at the very highest :)
You let Faramir show his quality, thank you
So well done. Thank you for this perfect tribute!!!
Faramir was such a great man. It's really shameful that we appreciate it while his own father wouldn't give it a thought!
"The Shire must truly be a great realm...where gardeners are held in high Honor." -- Faramir, Captain of Gondor, showing his "QUALITY"
I loved the character of Faramir, thank you for posting
So many pictures from "Journeys in Middle Earth"! Just got shadowed paths and am very excited to start it!
11:54 strangest rendition of Eowyn & Faramir I've yet seen
I want to see more ME movies. I know we're getting a Amazon show about the second age and Numenor, but I feel Tolkien stuff belongs in the big screen. WB sould adapt stories they are allowed to from the LOTR appendix. What about a anthology trilogy? My ideas for it:
-First movie would be the Oath of Eorl. I want to see how Rohan came to be and the alliance with Gondor. Also we could see more of the Easterlings in action. This can be also a great oppertunity to involve Galadriel yet again. She helped Eorl and the eothed crossing Mirkwood with the mystical mist. I would expanded it more by letting them meet up with a squad of elves lead by Haldir. They guide the eotheds to the Field of Celebrant and may participate in skirmishes with orcs and easterlings. Movie concludes with Eorl and Cirion swearing the legendary oath.
-Second and third movie is Battle of Dale and, Dol Guldur assault on Mirkwood and Lorien. I would let the Mouth of Sauron lead the fight against Mirkwood, while Khamul attacks Lorien. The movie will conclude with Galadriel destroying Dol Guldur.
I think this trilogy will bring back the grand scale of what the Hobbit lacks.
Nice to see great content creators like you make videos! Thank you!
Faramir had to deal with Eowyn’s stew for the rest of his life. A man of quality indeed.
Hey, Yoystan I am a huge fan. I was wondering if you could do a video talking about, not Tolkiens characters, but Tolkien himself. Could you do an Epic Character History-sort of video talking about the life of J.R.R. Tolkien.
Good video Yostan!
Thank you for all your great content my friend :)
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Amazing dedication.
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I'm not bothering to count the syllables, but this reads like a haiku
New subscriber and I truly enjoy your videos.
I love your videos. They are so calming and relaxing
Thank you, one of if not my most favorite character.
It is undenyably and incredibly great work Yoystan.
Yoysten thank you. I was waiting for this video a really long time. Thank you for making one and making my wish come true.
He still is my favorite character, was a bit irritated to how he was portrayed in Two Towers but at least a bit more of his character was shown in the extended version of Return of the King.
Excellent...Tuor also needs his ECH video too
You left out how Faramir recognised that Aragorn was his king the moment he laid eyes on him in the houses of healing even though Aragorn had entered the city in secret and laid no claim
Faramir has finally shown enough quality to get a video
This Channel also, is of Quality. The Very Highest.
I am glad we saw Osgiliath in the films, much as I generally have distaste for film diverging from books.
Excellent as always.
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Lbh, Faramir is definitely one of the most heroic men in all of Gondor
Tolkien gave him the best lines because he was projecting thru Faramir in the books. He was caught off guard by him because he always wanted someone to express himself
I liked letter 244 where he explains Faramir
Awesome
He was easily one of my favorite characters in the movies.
Such an underrated character! He is awesome.
A second very extremely great video as always Men of the West.
Thank you for the memories. :) :) :) Of a wondrous tale.
My personal favorite character. He stood where his own brother and father faltered, and held out almost alone at the border longer than anyone.
Thanks.
Faramir’s lesson “don’t be crazy and you get to get the last laugh”
It's sad that Denethor was like Faramir in his perceptiveness, but lacked his warmth due to Faramir reminding him of his late wife.
I enjoyed this very much. thank you.
Does anybody else think the thumbnail art looks like Faramir is about to summon the Dragonzord?
But in all seriousness, excellent video!
"The Shire must truly be a great realm, Master Gamgee, where gardeners are held in high honor."
Good vid.
Excellent video! Well done my friend. :)
The treatment of Faramir in the movie version was a disappointment to me. In the book, he was able to resist any temptation to take The Ring. He didn't mistreat Gollum/Sméagol. He sent the Hobbits on their way with extra food and stout, oaken staves.
The only thing I thought you were missing from this video of faramir was the speech when the Aragon returned to the gate to the city any truly showed his character and recognizing and realizing who the true king of the United Kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor was any he called forth to the people to notify them as the ruling steward
*Faramir* was one of the things I had a problem with in Jackson's films. I too really liked his portrayal in the books. It disappointed me that the numenorean in him was not evident in the film. He was simply portrayed as _a decent guy._
It was such a lesser portrayal in the films that, even knowing *Faramir* from the books, I still found there to be issues with what I saw on film.
I recognize and understand that certain changes have to be made. But I felt this one was mishandled. Having said that, I think Peter Jackson did a masterful job, all told.
Faramir wed Eowen so in part he lucked out except he did have to endure her cooking.
Faramir is a character that is written so well in the Books. I prefer him there, he resists the corruption of the Ring and has kind words for Frodo when he swoons because of his weariness, saying he has to find a way into Mordor. It's a shame that this dialogue is not included in the film. The screenplay is workmanlike, but lacks the nuances in the Book. The screenwriters wanted to keep the ring as a perilously corrupting force. They don't highlight in the films that he turns it down and really tries to help Frodo and Sam.
I always thought Faramir and Eowyn roled in Edoras because of what Theoden said in the movie and I am sure Gondor would bring back alot of memories to him and not alot of good ones.
Also remember in the movie there is a deleted scene where Faramir was having a flashback memory of the day his brother left for Rivendell and it turns out Boromire was doing his father a favor by going there that really didn't want to go at all and did that really happen?
Also what whave happened if Faramir went to Rivendell instead of Boromire?