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To this day, I'm greatful for John Rhys-Davis playing Gimli while allergic to the prosthetics! Please thank him for everything he went through to be part of the masterpiece of our age! It wouldn't be the same without him!
@NerdoftheRings I'd like to point out that at 13:22 you name Elfwine as the only named grandchild of Imarhil. I'm here to point out the 24th Prince of the City, Alphros Swan-foam, son of Elphir, son of Imrahil born in 3017 before the War of the Ring, who would serve his king until his death at the age of 99 in FA. 95. We actually have some of the most information about Imrahil's family, at least in names, of any Manish character.
The issue may have been because he could have deviated the spotlight off Aragorn. And knowing Hollywood, they may have made Imrahil a bitter reluctant supporter of Aragorn's claim as King due to Imrahil's own claims to the throne despite Aragorn having a greater claim to it. Its the equivalent to say...if a descendant of the Plantageant Kings of England emerged in today's society to challenge the Sussexes for the throne. Aragorn would have been the equivalent to a Plantageant heir and Imrahil being the equivalent to a Sussex. Always the older dynasty would have a better claim to the throne but alot of times if not most of the time...the older dynastic descendant wont chase his claim to the throne for the sake of himself and the people...and recognizing that his family's claim to the throne is long passed and that its better to serve the current line of Kings than to oppose it.
I was absolutely amazed by him when I read the book at 11 or twelve. Just the kind of man a troubled boy like me would look up to. I can still remember envisioning his shiny armour and the banners and the men behind him, wanting to be not just like him, but really be him.
When I read the trilogy I was so astonished he wasn't in the movie, along with Halbarad (and someone else from south Gondor but I can't remember his name)
@@galaxydeathskrill5607 I dont know about South Gondor and I bet you dont mean South Gondor, because that land was disputed between Harad and Gondor. I bet you mean Forlong the Fat, the old, Lord of Lossarnach. He came with 200 men.
At length they came to the Prince Imrahil, and Legolas looked at him and bowed low; for he saw that here indeed was one who had elven-blood in his veins. ‘Hail, lord!’ he said. ‘It is long since the people of Nimrodel left the woodlands of Lórien, and yet still one may see that not all sailed from Amroth’s haven west over water.’ .... ‘That is a fair lord and a great captain of men,’ said Legolas. ‘If Gondor has such men still in these days of fading, great must have been its glory in the days of its rising.’
@@dlxmarksBoromir’s apparent traits were more on the physical, bravery side and his spiritual and knowledge traits seemed under developed compared to his brother Faramir in whom all these traits were present along with the humility of personality that Boromir lacked until the end when he redeemed himself fighting to the end to protect the hobbits. Usually elves were not merely physically dominant but also knowledgeable and artistic as well as spiritual. This set them apart from humans who resemble elves physically. Ironically, their father’s unequal treatment of them probably led to this development in which Boromir was over confident and didn’t develop his elvish side which could have helped him resist the ring and Faramir was looked down upon for his elvish traits and reprimanded by his dad which taught him humility and patience. It seemed that Denethor blamed Faramir for weakening his wive Finduilas in birth and afterward due to pain at her passing cannot abide by being reminded of elven traits. He really failed his sons and his stewardship due to negligence because he was overwhelmed by his emotions. I really could not stand him at all.
I also think, that makes imrahil one of the most heroic characters. He never seized command without need, but also did not shy away from the responsibility, that came with it, when it was upon him to take it. I find this so truly inspiring, that I struggle for words. He managed to be a great leader without ever placing himself above anybody else
I love the “Big 3” dynamic the book creates for Aragorn, Imrahil, and Eomer. Even with leaving Imrahil out of the movie, I think more could have been done to enrich the friendship between Eomer and Aragorn.
When I first read the books, something about the fiefdoms, Dol Amroth and Imrahil especially, stuck with me. There was something so badass about a group of Elite knights, Inheritors of Numenorian and Elven blood and tradition, clad in shining armour, a shining beacon against the darkness from whence no Orc, Southron or Easterling could stand.
I do feel like the words "Your son has returned, Lord, after great deeds" were truly meant to chastise Denethor for sending Faramir on such a mission in the fist place, and for not acknowledging how much Faramir had already done. Imrahil is such a fantastic character, and I do wish that more media would portray him! LotRO does a decent job, I feel, but it would have been incredible to see him in the films!
What actor do you think could have played Imrahil the best? I struggle to think of someone at the time the films were made to play him. However, I do love his character and wish he was in the films!
@@TheMasonK That is where I struggle too. It's hard to think of someone with the right bearing, if that makes sense. I know some people who would throw out David Tennant in a heartbeat, but I really don't agree with that.
"and few indeed had dared to abide them or look on their faces in the hour of their wrath." This is an example of how Tolkien saw some men differently to how many today see them, even in the movies. These were men of high noble character, not merely good men. Our heroes today have flawed characters when you get to know them and can be disappointing. These men didn't just appear noble; they were noble through and through, and Tolkien had that characteristic shine forth when there was a need. This was one of the disappointments I have with Jackson's Aragorn, who didn't want to be king and shirked his responsibilities as the heir of Isildur until he found his way. The Aragorn of the book was always embracing his responsibilities, even before he was told about his lineage.
Yep. Every hero these days has to be flawed or troubled in some way or another to make them more relatable to the average person. But the heroes in Tolkien's day were meant to be paragons. Those who never stopped pursuing goodness and justice and didn't settle for "good enough". They were meant to embody the very best of humanity, an example for us to strive for. Our society, for all its advancements and achievements, is greatly diminished without these ideals to strive for.
@@LAZERAK47V2yeah, tolkein totally didn't have any complicated or relatable heroes. Like boromir, denethor, Bilbo all have 0 issues that make them relatable. Come on dude, took a moments thought to disprove your statement on "paragons." Tolkein loved complicated heroes. Look at galadriel, faenor, maedrhos. Immediately disproves your statement
I love how even though the battle rages on he takes time to grieve the death of Theoden and perhaps even extends the survival of Eowyn, then proceeds to be victorious in battle and shows his loyalty to the true king of Gondor. I would love to see a short film for this man, although it would have to be done right.
The honor shown to Théoden King first by Prince Imrahil on the Pellenor Fields and later by Gondor as Théoden is lain in state in the Citadel of Gondor with an honor guard of both Rohan and Gondor warriors has alway moved me emotionally.
He must have had access to the secret hair conditioner that only those of elvish heritage are allowed to use. Aragorn could have used it too, but he was being humble.
I always loved this character. I get that it would have been difficult to add him to the film, but he still played such a crucial part which I definitely missed.
First with the story of Ulmo and now with this Story of Prince Imrihil, this channel has reinvigorated my love of the Tolkien legendarium. I knew a touch of each of these characters, but to hear their stories come alive by our great narrator, with deeply moving passages, was so awe inspiring as to make me yearn for much more. Thank you so much for bringing this to us.
@@madalinfilip6352 Tis probably why Tolkien never cared about the potential movie/television rights. If I recall, he more or less stated it'd be impossible to really do fully. He's definitely right. There are so many speaking parts. They are already gargantuanly long movies. Telling the story the way the books have it adds easily 30 or more to the length of the movies. That's kind of insane to think about. The Lord of the Rings is a very clear example of why written media (comics, books) are still very important in an age of increasing audio/visual dominance. There's just more room for creativity on paper there is in the visual space for certain and maybe in the audio as well because the budgets for them are far more sane.
My favourite character in the lord of the rings. A shame we never saw him on the screen. A knight of peerless courage and a man of honor. Would that we could be like his aspect.
Despite being fictional, I still feel that the life, character, and deeds of great men like this are powerful and inspiring, and it gives me hope and courage.
Have you ever considered doing a reading of the Lord of the Rings or Silmarillion? I would absolutely love to listen to you, I think your voice and love for Tolkien would fit perfectly for « audiobooks » (sorry for my english im french canadian). 🙂
I wish there was Imrahil and Elladan and Elrohir in PJ's movies but alas, he didn't fit him in. Imrahil had such a critical role during the war and even in LotR wished Tolkien mentioned more of him. I wonder if he talks about him in HOME Peoples of Middle earth?
Prince Imrahil is my favorite character whom we never got a chance to meet in the film trilogy! Would have been a phenomenal commander that would have made more sense than Gandalf wearing the captain's tactical hat during the film's seige! I digress a bit! 🎉 but man!
I love the idea of a character who is powerful and noble yet content to be second in command because of his great virtue that is loyalty. Imrahil reminds me of Ultra Magnus, or Mon-El, or Beta Ray Bill. Someone nearly equal to their leader in virtue and power and prowess, but is willingly subordinate to the leader because of their insight and loyalty. (I'm not trying to cheapen this by comparing it to that other 'low culture stuff' LOL but it's an awesome and cool character archetype)
Thank you!!! One of the most, if not the most overlooked character in THE WAR OF THE RING. I really wish Peter Jackson would've found a way to incorporate his character in the movies.
I think I heard Imrahil's name being mentioned in the Lord of The Rings films before. There's a lot of characters I need to learn about in the world of LOTR, not just Feanor, Fingolfin, and Morgoth.
It is such a shame that both Glorfindel and Prince Imrihil are not prominently featured in the PJ movies, I can understand why. The Fellowship is already filled with so many powerful and important characters. In books it is far easier to insert new powerful characters, and to provide the reader with their backgrounds. In a feature film, that is much harder to do. We already have many characters to focus on, adding more is confusing, especially to those viewers who are not avid readers of Tolkien's works. Nevermind the need to provide some backstory, tying them to the main characters we already know in the film. The Battle of the Pelinor Fields features, Aragorn, Legolas, Gandalf, Gimli, Merry, Pippin, Theoden, Eomer, Faramir, Eowyn a pretty exhaustive list. And all need screen time in a movie. It is also why Arwen is substituted for Glorfindel. Tolkien readers know of the love between Aragorn and Arwen, but the movie viewer does not. So to demonstrate this great love we see her rescue Frodo and the fellowship at the river. Abd we see them, in love, while tge fellowship is in Rivendell. It sets the stage for the ending. It would have been awkward at best, to have Arwen just pop in at the end and marry King Ellasar, without any backstory. I am grateful, however, that you have taken time to highlight Prince Imrahil. He has always been one of my very favorite characters. To me he represents true nobility in both deed and manner. He is the embodiment of duty and courage of values and purpose, without a personal desire for power or to detract from the deeds of others. A true Prince.
It is sad we didn't see Imrahil in the movies. 💙 Such a good character. And also we didn't fet to see all the vassals of Gondor & the diversity of the army. 🛡
mithrellas most like passed away since she married imrazur, this can be construed from Legolas own word" not all elves that went south sailed to the west" since there were no living elves by the time of aragorn living in dol amroth..
I have a question last week you talked about how the 7 and the 9 were made for the same purpose of corrupting elves and Sauron's plan B was to give them to the Men and Dwarves. So why did Sauron not use the rings he recovered from the dwarves to make more Nazgul since they would have the same impact on men that they did in the second age.
When it comes to the Rings recovered from the Dwarves, they were not suited for creating Nazgul (Ringwraiths) as the Nine Rings given to Men were. The Nine Rings had a more direct and profound effect on Men, easily turning them into wraiths under Sauron's control, while the Seven Rings given to the Dwarves enhanced their natural greed and ambition. The Dwarves were more resistant to Sauron's influence, which is why they were able to resist complete domination and eventually lose their Rings to dragons and other means. In summary, Sauron's primary goal was to corrupt and control the races of Middle-earth through the Rings of Power. The Nine Rings he gave to Men were specifically designed for that purpose, and the Seven Rings given to Dwarves had a different influence. Sauron didn't use the Dwarven Rings to create more Nazgul because they wouldn't have the same effect on Men. Answered by ChatGPT 3.5 since I also wanted to know the answer to this brilliant question 😅
@@unclepalp7048 That is literally contradicted by what is in the lore since the rings were made to corrupt the Elves and when that failed it was used against the men and dwarves. They worked the exact same but the natural resistance the Dwarves had in them negated the more harmful effects. If given to men then it would still have the same impact. Basically it would be like if two people were shot in the exact same spot with the exact same type of gun using the same type of ammo but one had bullet proof vest on and the other didn't, one is going to cause way more damage and possibly death while the other is just going to leave a bruise and a good amount of pain. That does not mean the guns that shot the person with bullet proof vest was worse or less effective it just means the person shot was better equipped to deal with it. This was the best analogy I could think of off the top of my head because I needed something where the same tool was used against people who had at least one difference it is not perfect but the closest I can compare right now. That is why I am asking someone who actually knows the lore then a second rate AI system that is just rewording lore instead of using critical thinking to give an answer based on their knowledge of the lore.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader I agree completely with what you've just said. I just wanted to know the answer and was perhaps too eager, that's why i just asked ChatGPT to answer me ASAP 😅
@@unclepalp7048 Don't expect to get useful information about Tolkien from ChatGPT. Every answer I've ever seen contained multiple serious errors. Last one I saw said that after Beren returned to Beleriand, his missing hand was replaced with a silver one crafted by the Elves of Nogrod.
Possibly it was the very nature of the Dwarves that rendered the Seven Rings. Being created by Aule, Smith of the Valar, the dwarves have a deep natural affinity for stone and metal, as well as their endurance/ resistance. Would it not be possible, in such a world, that their resistance, though unconscious, could be active rather than passive? If that is the case, could this manifest as modification of the MAGICAL structure of the Seven? Reforging the original Elven magics into something more suitable for a Dwarf, so to speak? After all, if not for the influence of the One Ring, the Seven and the Nine would have likely conferred some small positive benefit upon their wearers
Wow so Imrahil's ancestor Imrazör & Mithralas add to Aragon & Arwen and Beren & Luthien wow..just wow. Maybe Imrazör and Mithralas may not entirely qualify cos she left him but still...
The great unions of Elf and Man were Idril and Tuor , Beren and Luthien then Aragorn and Arwen. Imrazor and Mithrellas is a local story that didn't quite make the Elven storytellers. That'ws why Legolas doesn't know about Imrahil.
Prince Imrahil was a cool character, and so were his swan knights. A pity they didn't show up in the movie Return of the King. Would have been cool to see.
The character of Imrahil was not included in the movies to the capacity that he was included in the books. The character of Irolas was originally meant to be Beregond but when that character was reduced to barely any screen-time they separated him from that. The Lord of the Rings: Trading Card Game retconned the character as Imrahil.
Ive finally gotten around to reading the three lotrs. When i got to the part of the swan knights and gandalf riding off to help the gondorians. I was hoping you had a video on imrahil and here we are.
As Tolkien wrote in the "Nature of Middle Earth" the Dunedain with Elvish blood had no facial hair. Also they resembled the Noldor, tall, dark hair and grey eyes.
@@floodkevin4716 Treat it more like a wiki and just pick and choose an entry / topic based on your interest at that particular time. Since it's all just info and not a narrative, there's no right or wrong way to read it. Give it a try, it's one of the most fun and enjoyable books in the Legenderium, as the info in it is pure gold.
Quick thing. As far as the wiki states, Imrahil had a second grandchild (Alphros) through his son Elphir. He would be several years older (born 3017 TA) and would become the 24th Prince of Dol Amroth.
audiences would get confused with yet another Great Man on the field. Movies cannot have too many characters otherwise audiences will get lost. Some might wonder why this great man isn't in charge.
Ironic he has more Numenorean blood than any stewards of Gondor yet they serve them. I think I read somewhere Imrahil's mother was said to be one of the most beautiful ever. It's a shame Jackson didn't include these bad asses in the final battle. Seeing that cavalry with their shining armor and blue swan banners would have been so cool.
Maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Eomer and Elfwine were such noble men, and were tall. Eomer's grandmother Morwen was of the kin of the Princes of Dol Amroth, so they have Numenorean ancestors, and Elfwine on both sides, and both can trace their kinship to a Prince of Dol Amroth, and Elfwine twice!
They couldn’t put him in the movies because he would have upstaged the entire cast. Would have been distracting to the decay Jackson was attempting to portray through Denethor. But that would have been so cool to see
Agreed. I know a lot of people point to Glorfindel or Tom Bombadil being left out, but imo, Imrahil is the one that should've been included over those two.
@@NerdoftheRingsSame. I never about Imrahil before this video, but his actions are very important. Whereas Glorfindel and Tom Bombadil don't have much of an impact on the plot, Glorfindel even less so.
I didn't remember (if I knew) that Imrahil was the brother-in-law of the Steward of Gondor, and the uncle of Boromir & Faramir. When the line of kings ended in Gondor, was there any reason to think that the prince of Dol Amroth should have become King of Gondor rather than create the office of steward? Does that elf-blood in the the prince's family of the Dol Amroth mean that their life span is longer than even that of the others of Numenorian background other then Elros' bloodline? I wonder if those first children of the princedom of Dol Amroth with elven blood were given the same Choice that Elrond, Elros, and Arwen were given. But with their mother having left them, it's not like they could have made an informed decision.
Imrazor was a numenorean, however he was not related to Elendil in any way,so despite the princes of Dol Amroth being great lords,they had no right to the throne of Gondor
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John Rhys-Davies is returning to the role of Gimli - and to Nerd of the Rings! Join me on Tuesday, Oct 17 as JRD talks Return to Moria, does another iconic Gimli reading, and MUCH more! ruclips.net/video/pFYTKnwRItA/видео.html
Correct me if i am wrong, but Legogas does acknowledge Imrahil as an 'Lord as well? He also points out the elven lineage...
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To this day, I'm greatful for John Rhys-Davis playing Gimli while allergic to the prosthetics! Please thank him for everything he went through to be part of the masterpiece of our age! It wouldn't be the same without him!
You guys should have an interview channel
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I'd like to point out that at 13:22 you name Elfwine as the only named grandchild of Imarhil. I'm here to point out the 24th Prince of the City, Alphros Swan-foam, son of Elphir, son of Imrahil born in 3017 before the War of the Ring, who would serve his king until his death at the age of 99 in FA. 95.
We actually have some of the most information about Imrahil's family, at least in names, of any Manish character.
'If Gondor has such men still in these days of fading, great must have been its glory in the days of its rising'. Said of Prince Imrahil the Fair
By Legolas, if I'm not mistaken.
@@theradgegadgie6352I believe you’re correct.
A beautiful quote. Legolas was even more graceful in the books than he was in the films. Gorgeous 😂
@@TheCradM Legolas was an afterthought in the movies.
Damn shame he was never adapted to the big screen; everything I've read about him makes him to be a great and virtuous hero.
The issue may have been because he could have deviated the spotlight off Aragorn. And knowing Hollywood, they may have made Imrahil a bitter reluctant supporter of Aragorn's claim as King due to Imrahil's own claims to the throne despite Aragorn having a greater claim to it. Its the equivalent to say...if a descendant of the Plantageant Kings of England emerged in today's society to challenge the Sussexes for the throne.
Aragorn would have been the equivalent to a Plantageant heir and Imrahil being the equivalent to a Sussex. Always the older dynasty would have a better claim to the throne but alot of times if not most of the time...the older dynastic descendant wont chase his claim to the throne for the sake of himself and the people...and recognizing that his family's claim to the throne is long passed and that its better to serve the current line of Kings than to oppose it.
I think he may have been too cool and would have stolen the limelight.
I was absolutely amazed by him when I read the book at 11 or twelve. Just the kind of man a troubled boy like me would look up to. I can still remember envisioning his shiny armour and the banners and the men behind him, wanting to be not just like him, but really be him.
When I read the trilogy I was so astonished he wasn't in the movie, along with Halbarad (and someone else from south Gondor but I can't remember his name)
@@galaxydeathskrill5607 I dont know about South Gondor and I bet you dont mean South Gondor, because that land was disputed between Harad and Gondor. I bet you mean Forlong the Fat, the old, Lord of Lossarnach. He came with 200 men.
At length they came to the Prince Imrahil, and Legolas looked at him and bowed low; for he saw that here indeed was one who had elven-blood in his veins. ‘Hail, lord!’ he said. ‘It is long since the people of Nimrodel left the woodlands of Lórien, and yet still one may see that not all sailed from Amroth’s haven west over water.’
.... ‘That is a fair lord and a great captain of men,’ said Legolas. ‘If Gondor has such men still in these days of fading, great must have been its glory in the days of its rising.’
If even Legolas thinks you're cool, you must have done something right in your life.
Interesting that it's not mentioned if Legolas saw anything elvish in Boromir.
@@dlxmarksBoromir’s apparent traits were more on the physical, bravery side and his spiritual and knowledge traits seemed under developed compared to his brother Faramir in whom all these traits were present along with the humility of personality that Boromir lacked until the end when he redeemed himself fighting to the end to protect the hobbits. Usually elves were not merely physically dominant but also knowledgeable and artistic as well as spiritual. This set them apart from humans who resemble elves physically. Ironically, their father’s unequal treatment of them probably led to this development in which Boromir was over confident and didn’t develop his elvish side which could have helped him resist the ring and Faramir was looked down upon for his elvish traits and reprimanded by his dad which taught him humility and patience. It seemed that Denethor blamed Faramir for weakening his wive Finduilas in birth and afterward due to pain at her passing cannot abide by being reminded of elven traits. He really failed his sons and his stewardship due to negligence because he was overwhelmed by his emotions. I really could not stand him at all.
Dol amroth could have ruled Gondor but the prince restrained himself
That says a lot about his loyalty and integrity
they are not from the ruling family. Them taking the throne would have sparked another civil war.
Glorfindel's human counterpart, he is.
I also think, that makes imrahil one of the most heroic characters. He never seized command without need, but also did not shy away from the responsibility, that came with it, when it was upon him to take it. I find this so truly inspiring, that I struggle for words. He managed to be a great leader without ever placing himself above anybody else
I love the “Big 3” dynamic the book creates for Aragorn, Imrahil, and Eomer. Even with leaving Imrahil out of the movie, I think more could have been done to enrich the friendship between Eomer and Aragorn.
Absolutely! Agreed!
One of my most favourite Characters, Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth. Brave, Strong, Proud, Loyal, Steadfast 🔥
Man, I'm almost crying just listening to the descriptions. Tolkien is the GOAT
He was to the English-language novel what Shakespeare was to the English-language stage play.
When I first read the books, something about the fiefdoms, Dol Amroth and Imrahil especially, stuck with me. There was something so badass about a group of Elite knights, Inheritors of Numenorian and Elven blood and tradition, clad in shining armour, a shining beacon against the darkness from whence no Orc, Southron or Easterling could stand.
It's amazing how Tolkien was able to create all these characters who don't play a major role in the story but still feel so real.
I do feel like the words "Your son has returned, Lord, after great deeds" were truly meant to chastise Denethor for sending Faramir on such a mission in the fist place, and for not acknowledging how much Faramir had already done.
Imrahil is such a fantastic character, and I do wish that more media would portray him! LotRO does a decent job, I feel, but it would have been incredible to see him in the films!
What actor do you think could have played Imrahil the best? I struggle to think of someone at the time the films were made to play him. However, I do love his character and wish he was in the films!
@@TheMasonK That is where I struggle too. It's hard to think of someone with the right bearing, if that makes sense. I know some people who would throw out David Tennant in a heartbeat, but I really don't agree with that.
@@TheMasonK Daniel Day-Lewis immediately comes to mind
@@fr.andygutierrez5356 I like that but maybe he plays Glorfindel better if we’re bringing in all book only characters.
Daniel Day Lewis in 2000*
"and few indeed had dared to abide them or look on their faces in the hour of their wrath."
This is an example of how Tolkien saw some men differently to how many today see them, even in the movies. These were men of high noble character, not merely good men. Our heroes today have flawed characters when you get to know them and can be disappointing. These men didn't just appear noble; they were noble through and through, and Tolkien had that characteristic shine forth when there was a need. This was one of the disappointments I have with Jackson's Aragorn, who didn't want to be king and shirked his responsibilities as the heir of Isildur until he found his way. The Aragorn of the book was always embracing his responsibilities, even before he was told about his lineage.
Yep.
Every hero these days has to be flawed or troubled in some way or another to make them more relatable to the average person.
But the heroes in Tolkien's day were meant to be paragons. Those who never stopped pursuing goodness and justice and didn't settle for "good enough". They were meant to embody the very best of humanity, an example for us to strive for.
Our society, for all its advancements and achievements, is greatly diminished without these ideals to strive for.
@@LAZERAK47V2yeah, tolkein totally didn't have any complicated or relatable heroes. Like boromir, denethor, Bilbo all have 0 issues that make them relatable.
Come on dude, took a moments thought to disprove your statement on "paragons." Tolkein loved complicated heroes. Look at galadriel, faenor, maedrhos. Immediately disproves your statement
I love how even though the battle rages on he takes time to grieve the death of Theoden and perhaps even extends the survival of Eowyn, then proceeds to be victorious in battle and shows his loyalty to the true king of Gondor. I would love to see a short film for this man, although it would have to be done right.
A character I immediately liked when reading the books...Pity he doesn't get more attention than he does...
The honor shown to Théoden King first by Prince Imrahil on the Pellenor Fields and later by Gondor as Théoden is lain in state in the Citadel of Gondor with an honor guard of both Rohan and Gondor warriors has alway moved me emotionally.
I like that when Legolas and Gimli meet Imrahil in Minas Tirith, Legolas immediatly recognises that Imrahil has elvish blood in him.
He must have had access to the secret hair conditioner that only those of elvish heritage are allowed to use. Aragorn could have used it too, but he was being humble.
Probably the most sorely missing character from the books.
I agree, Glorfindel as well
Glorfindel, Tom bombadil and Imrahil
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Iarwain's really hard to pull off.
@@roelandvanharselaar9777those where the three I was going to say as well 👍🏼
Should be played by Tom Hiddleston
I always loved this character. I get that it would have been difficult to add him to the film, but he still played such a crucial part which I definitely missed.
First with the story of Ulmo and now with this Story of Prince Imrihil, this channel has reinvigorated my love of the Tolkien legendarium. I knew a touch of each of these characters, but to hear their stories come alive by our great narrator, with deeply moving passages, was so awe inspiring as to make me yearn for much more.
Thank you so much for bringing this to us.
I absolutely love Prince Imrahil, what a cool character. So glad you're covering him.
Is he as cool as "The Hound" from GOT
I still regret very much that Imrahil and the Grey Company never made it into the films.
I keep coming back to this video. Comfort food.
I remember loving to use him and the knights of dol Amroth in battle for middle earth game 😮
I was so disappointed when he wasn't in the movies. Him, and the sons of Elrond.
Such a great video! I always loved the character of Imrahil... it would've been cool to have him in the movies, and Glorfindel as well
Man you really bring out Tolkien's work. You narrateing this character almost brings a tear to my eye 🥹. Imrahil is such an awesome character.
Damn shame he wasn’t in the films. He’s definitely up there with the other great heroes.
There are many things that weren't in the movies that are in the books
@@madalinfilip6352 Tis probably why Tolkien never cared about the potential movie/television rights. If I recall, he more or less stated it'd be impossible to really do fully. He's definitely right. There are so many speaking parts. They are already gargantuanly long movies. Telling the story the way the books have it adds easily 30 or more to the length of the movies. That's kind of insane to think about. The Lord of the Rings is a very clear example of why written media (comics, books) are still very important in an age of increasing audio/visual dominance. There's just more room for creativity on paper there is in the visual space for certain and maybe in the audio as well because the budgets for them are far more sane.
Look forward to these videos every Saturday so interesting to learn a bit more about Tolkien’s world much thanks from Scotland!!! 👍
Not Nerd of the Rings making me simp for this fictional man 😍 I would have loved to see him in the films
Prince Imrahill finding a wife for his nephew 😅😂 I can't believe I forgot about this amazing character 👏
My favourite character in the lord of the rings. A shame we never saw him on the screen.
A knight of peerless courage and a man of honor. Would that we could be like his aspect.
Despite being fictional, great characters like that can still inspire us with courage, hope, and noble deeds in our real lives.
0:11 reminds me of a young Henry Cavill. Imagine if he were Imrahil in Return of the King.
Prince Imrahil is one of the characters I really wish we would have seen more of in the movies. He would have deserved it.
Despite being fictional, I still feel that the life, character, and deeds of great men like this are powerful and inspiring, and it gives me hope and courage.
Not that I don’t love every video… this is my favorite video of the last few months. Beautifully done, as always.
I remember learning about this guy after seeing his card in “War of the Ring” game
Have you ever considered doing a reading of the Lord of the Rings or Silmarillion? I would absolutely love to listen to you, I think your voice and love for Tolkien would fit perfectly for « audiobooks » (sorry for my english im french canadian). 🙂
I wish there was Imrahil and Elladan and Elrohir in PJ's movies but alas, he didn't fit him in. Imrahil had such a critical role during the war and even in LotR wished Tolkien mentioned more of him. I wonder if he talks about him in HOME Peoples of Middle earth?
Prince Imrahil is my favorite character whom we never got a chance to meet in the film trilogy! Would have been a phenomenal commander that would have made more sense than Gandalf wearing the captain's tactical hat during the film's seige! I digress a bit! 🎉 but man!
I love the idea of a character who is powerful and noble yet content to be second in command because of his great virtue that is loyalty. Imrahil reminds me of Ultra Magnus, or Mon-El, or Beta Ray Bill. Someone nearly equal to their leader in virtue and power and prowess, but is willingly subordinate to the leader because of their insight and loyalty.
(I'm not trying to cheapen this by comparing it to that other 'low culture stuff' LOL but it's an awesome and cool character archetype)
Ah the battle of the Pelenor fields, the pinnacle of epicness...
Imrahil and Dol Amroth forever!!!!!
Always cool to learn about the story of a character that is impactful to the tale, however unfortunate it is that we never saw him in the movie
Thank you!!! One of the most, if not the most overlooked character in THE WAR OF THE RING. I really wish Peter Jackson would've found a way to incorporate his character in the movies.
I think I heard Imrahil's name being mentioned in the Lord of The Rings films before.
There's a lot of characters I need to learn about in the world of LOTR, not just Feanor, Fingolfin, and Morgoth.
If you're looking for some good audiobooks, Andy Serkis narrates The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. It's quite good!
If anyone in the future is crazy enough to do a direct adaptation of Middle Earth, no matter the medium, I will be excited to see Imrahil most of all
So there were actually four pairings between elves and men?
Idril and Tuor
Arwen and Aragorn
Beren and Luthien
Imrazor and Mithellas?
It is such a shame that both Glorfindel and Prince Imrihil are not prominently featured in the PJ movies, I can understand why.
The Fellowship is already filled with so many powerful and important characters. In books it is far easier to insert new powerful characters, and to provide the reader with their backgrounds. In a feature film, that is much harder to do. We already have many characters to focus on, adding more is confusing, especially to those viewers who are not avid readers of Tolkien's works. Nevermind the need to provide some backstory, tying them to the main characters we already know in the film. The Battle of the Pelinor Fields features, Aragorn, Legolas, Gandalf, Gimli, Merry, Pippin, Theoden, Eomer, Faramir, Eowyn a pretty exhaustive list. And all need screen time in a movie.
It is also why Arwen is substituted for Glorfindel. Tolkien readers know of the love between Aragorn and Arwen, but the movie viewer does not. So to demonstrate this great love we see her rescue Frodo and the fellowship at the river. Abd we see them, in love, while tge fellowship is in Rivendell. It sets the stage for the ending. It would have been awkward at best, to have Arwen just pop in at the end and marry King Ellasar, without any backstory.
I am grateful, however, that you have taken time to highlight Prince Imrahil. He has always been one of my very favorite characters. To me he represents true nobility in both deed and manner. He is the embodiment of duty and courage of values and purpose, without a personal desire for power or to detract from the deeds of others. A true Prince.
Imrahil is indeed a great character, shame on Jackson for not including him in the movies. Thanks for this great video!
It is sad we didn't see Imrahil in the movies. 💙 Such a good character. And also we didn't fet to see all the vassals of Gondor & the diversity of the army. 🛡
Not gonna lie if I was gonna be Human at any point on the Third Age I'd pick being a Prince of Dol Amroth every single time
mithrellas most like passed away since she married imrazur, this can be construed from Legolas own word" not all elves that went south sailed to the west" since there were no living elves by the time of aragorn living in dol amroth..
I have a question last week you talked about how the 7 and the 9 were made for the same purpose of corrupting elves and Sauron's plan B was to give them to the Men and Dwarves. So why did Sauron not use the rings he recovered from the dwarves to make more Nazgul since they would have the same impact on men that they did in the second age.
When it comes to the Rings recovered from the Dwarves, they were not suited for creating Nazgul (Ringwraiths) as the Nine Rings given to Men were. The Nine Rings had a more direct and profound effect on Men, easily turning them into wraiths under Sauron's control, while the Seven Rings given to the Dwarves enhanced their natural greed and ambition. The Dwarves were more resistant to Sauron's influence, which is why they were able to resist complete domination and eventually lose their Rings to dragons and other means.
In summary, Sauron's primary goal was to corrupt and control the races of Middle-earth through the Rings of Power. The Nine Rings he gave to Men were specifically designed for that purpose, and the Seven Rings given to Dwarves had a different influence. Sauron didn't use the Dwarven Rings to create more Nazgul because they wouldn't have the same effect on Men.
Answered by ChatGPT 3.5 since I also wanted to know the answer to this brilliant question 😅
@@unclepalp7048 That is literally contradicted by what is in the lore since the rings were made to corrupt the Elves and when that failed it was used against the men and dwarves. They worked the exact same but the natural resistance the Dwarves had in them negated the more harmful effects. If given to men then it would still have the same impact.
Basically it would be like if two people were shot in the exact same spot with the exact same type of gun using the same type of ammo but one had bullet proof vest on and the other didn't, one is going to cause way more damage and possibly death while the other is just going to leave a bruise and a good amount of pain. That does not mean the guns that shot the person with bullet proof vest was worse or less effective it just means the person shot was better equipped to deal with it. This was the best analogy I could think of off the top of my head because I needed something where the same tool was used against people who had at least one difference it is not perfect but the closest I can compare right now.
That is why I am asking someone who actually knows the lore then a second rate AI system that is just rewording lore instead of using critical thinking to give an answer based on their knowledge of the lore.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader I agree completely with what you've just said. I just wanted to know the answer and was perhaps too eager, that's why i just asked ChatGPT to answer me ASAP 😅
@@unclepalp7048 Don't expect to get useful information about Tolkien from ChatGPT. Every answer I've ever seen contained multiple serious errors. Last one I saw said that after Beren returned to Beleriand, his missing hand was replaced with a silver one crafted by the Elves of Nogrod.
Possibly it was the very nature of the Dwarves that rendered the Seven Rings.
Being created by Aule, Smith of the Valar, the dwarves have a deep natural affinity for stone and metal, as well as their endurance/ resistance.
Would it not be possible, in such a world, that their resistance, though unconscious, could be active rather than passive? If that is the case, could this manifest as modification of the MAGICAL structure of the Seven? Reforging the original Elven magics into something more suitable for a Dwarf, so to speak?
After all, if not for the influence of the One Ring, the Seven and the Nine would have likely conferred some small positive benefit upon their wearers
Wow so Imrahil's ancestor Imrazör & Mithralas add to Aragon & Arwen and Beren & Luthien wow..just wow.
Maybe Imrazör and Mithralas may not entirely qualify cos she left him but still...
The great unions of Elf and Man were Idril and Tuor , Beren and Luthien then Aragorn and Arwen. Imrazor and Mithrellas is a local story that didn't quite make the Elven storytellers. That'ws why Legolas doesn't know about Imrahil.
Imrahil being another GOAT
Nice work dude thanks
Prince Imrahil was a cool character, and so were his swan knights. A pity they didn't show up in the movie Return of the King. Would have been cool to see.
Truly a great hero. Wise and selfless. I always wished Jackson had put him in the movie. 🤘😁🖖🇨🇦
The character of Imrahil was not included in the movies to the capacity that he was included in the books. The character of Irolas was originally meant to be Beregond but when that character was reduced to barely any screen-time they separated him from that. The Lord of the Rings: Trading Card Game retconned the character as Imrahil.
I was always miffed that Imrahil didn’t figure in the trilogy films, but Haldir did for a much smaller role
Ive finally gotten around to reading the three lotrs. When i got to the part of the swan knights and gandalf riding off to help the gondorians. I was hoping you had a video on imrahil and here we are.
Thank you so much for your interpretaion and passion of Tolkien!!!
As Tolkien wrote in the "Nature of Middle Earth" the Dunedain with Elvish blood had no facial hair. Also they resembled the Noldor, tall, dark hair and grey eyes.
I just got that book. I'm finding it a bit tough to get through. Is there a good chapter to start with or did you go right from beginning?
@@floodkevin4716 Treat it more like a wiki and just pick and choose an entry / topic based on your interest at that particular time. Since it's all just info and not a narrative, there's no right or wrong way to read it. Give it a try, it's one of the most fun and enjoyable books in the Legenderium, as the info in it is pure gold.
@@ninsuhnrey thanks man I will! I saw some cool entries yesterday I'll dip into today
Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth and his mission to save Faramir is best part of story in Gondor before battle on Pelenor fields.
This is up there with your best work!!!
Imrahil! I've been waiting for this one 😃
He really should have been in the movies. The way PJ handled the army of the dead and the return of the king is possibly the biggest mistake he made
Quick thing. As far as the wiki states, Imrahil had a second grandchild (Alphros) through his son Elphir.
He would be several years older (born 3017 TA) and would become the 24th Prince of Dol Amroth.
If Imrahil was created by any other author, he would have had a book focused on his story, including his POV on the war of the ring....
Enjoyed this - Thank you!
Kinda weird how such an major character was written out of the movies. I never knew of him before this video
He is an awesome character in the books. I wish we got more of him, he doesn’t have many chapters but makes a significant contribution.
audiences would get confused with yet another Great Man on the field. Movies cannot have too many characters otherwise audiences will get lost. Some might wonder why this great man isn't in charge.
When you learn that faramir and boromir are the nephews of imrahil you realize why they were so brave and strong.
I knew if I waited long enough, they would cover Prince Imrahil
"I hold the Lord Aragorn to be my liege Lord and King. to me his wish is a command"
Ironic he has more Numenorean blood than any stewards of Gondor yet they serve them. I think I read somewhere Imrahil's mother was said to be one of the most beautiful ever. It's a shame Jackson didn't include these bad asses in the final battle. Seeing that cavalry with their shining armor and blue swan banners would have been so cool.
A princedom is more often referred to as a principality
Nice job. I really love your stuff
It feeds my obsession ❤️
I understand why they left him out of the movie, but I wish they could have included him! My favorite book only character.
Maybe it shouldn't be a surprise that Eomer and Elfwine were such noble men, and were tall. Eomer's grandmother Morwen was of the kin of the Princes of Dol Amroth, so they have Numenorean ancestors, and Elfwine on both sides, and both can trace their kinship to a Prince of Dol Amroth, and Elfwine twice!
You’d have to include Théoden in that as well, given that Morwen was his mother.
Always thought belfalas was named from the names in the first age
I love the side characters in LoTR. Imrahil is one my favorites. I also love Elrohir son of Elrond.
One of my favourite characters awesome video as always
Thanks, I’m so intrigued by this character!
Awesome video! Thank you!
Love this, I so wish he could have made it into the movies.
They couldn’t put him in the movies because he would have upstaged the entire cast. Would have been distracting to the decay Jackson was attempting to portray through Denethor. But that would have been so cool to see
the Grey company and the arrival of Prince imrahil, if only it was filmed.. alas..
Love your channel, inspiring, been binge watching these Tolkein videos!
OK but that illustration of the prince in the video thumbnail is just 🥵
Great video i somehow dont remeber him time to go back and read it again.
In Deep Geek did his own take on the Prince a few weeks ago. Clearly a popular fellow! 😁
I actually had this video on my calendar then saw IDK's post the week before I was gonna release mine. haha. So I pushed it off a couple months.
@@NerdoftheRings Such is life! 😂 I am looking forward to seeing your take on this hero of Gondor
@5:11, "Dor-en-Ernil" - Land of the Prince(s)
I love the movies, Peter Jackson made a great job, but I feel for some characters who doesn't had ther stories told
Agreed. I know a lot of people point to Glorfindel or Tom Bombadil being left out, but imo, Imrahil is the one that should've been included over those two.
@@NerdoftheRingsSame. I never about Imrahil before this video, but his actions are very important. Whereas Glorfindel and Tom Bombadil don't have much of an impact on the plot, Glorfindel even less so.
This guy is like now my favorite character period I wish he was in the movies but doesn't he kind of make an appearance?
I always wanted to know more about that region and people when looking at the map and reading the books!
Great video. I always loved Imrahil.
This man is a BOSS!!!
Love Your Videos so much and respect what you do!
I didn't remember (if I knew) that Imrahil was the brother-in-law of the Steward of Gondor, and the uncle of Boromir & Faramir.
When the line of kings ended in Gondor, was there any reason to think that the prince of Dol Amroth should have become King of Gondor rather than create the office of steward?
Does that elf-blood in the the prince's family of the Dol Amroth mean that their life span is longer than even that of the others of Numenorian background other then Elros' bloodline?
I wonder if those first children of the princedom of Dol Amroth with elven blood were given the same Choice that Elrond, Elros, and Arwen were given. But with their mother having left them, it's not like they could have made an informed decision.
Imrazor was a numenorean, however he was not related to Elendil in any way,so despite the princes of Dol Amroth being great lords,they had no right to the throne of Gondor
I really enjoyed this one. Thanks.