It was fine. It was light on the politics of the war, and mostly focused on how ordinary civilians were affected. The third act was weird, though. You think the movie is about to make a point about the consequences of violence, but it just ends.
@@archelon1012exactly. The war scenes and the mass grave scene were the main points of the movie to show how the people were affected. Honestly, the politics behind it were vague but it seemed in some points to be Anti-Trump propaganda.
@@texaswolf4655 I agree. I thought it was funny when they listed disbanding the FBI as one of the evil things the president did. This movie was definitely written by a British celebrity who doesn't know the first thing about American politics.
I’m disappointed in how the mods for the modern day in hoi don’t properly reflect the true amount of devastation that modern warfare would cause, especially a civil war. Then again, I don’t even know where to begin trying to simulate a civil war because things like corporations, social media, etc. make it exponentially more complex.
@@drdeubs2639The problem is the population in each state doesnt decrease when you recruit from it, so they can die and you just get infinite manpower, even if you nuke every province in a state the population doesnt move an inch
Before it could really even get off the ground there are some incredibly important things that would have to be taken very quickly. 1 stealth bomber bases, fighter bases, artillery, Armour. Without airpower is over before it begins this includes the nukes. Whiteman AFB with the close proximity of Ft. Leonard Wood and Omaha, Nebraska would be incredibly tricky
@@drdeubs2639 thing is, American young (who would be the ones forced to do most of the fighting) are too caught up in microaggressions and safe spaces that I can say with confidence, that generation will never cause a civil war. Maybe their kids that had enough of the bs, but not 19 year olds today.
The original Civil Wars death toll of 600,000 was the equivalent of 6 million today adjusted for population increase. A modern civil war would be way more devastating even than the original one
So basically you had the Confederacy, Texas, California, and Cascadia rebelling against the US. Honestly, I didn’t think all those rebel coalitions would lose.
Them: "Aren't you worried people will see this as a little too realistic given the political climate of the 2020s?" Me: "Texas-California Alliance" Them: "Say no more fam you good"
well it’s the elite and rich in cali that are controlling it. nobody will actually die for them so there will be little resistance. you have to understand, the only thing protecting the villains are the laws.
The media: The most controversial movie. Me during movie: who the fuck are floroda alliance what is the of what is the western forces , i dont understand nothing.
@@diegomoreno7760 Yeah thats kind of the point of the movie. You're NOT supposed to know whats going on you are basically a Journalist who is making the story as you go across the battlefield and even then you don't know that much of what is going on. Even at the start of the movie one of the guys was like "Whats the point of this? Once they reach DC they're just going to go back to fighting each other for power."
Texas and California would never agree to get along in the first place. You would need to basically need to break it down by red and blue states with pockets of blue in major cities. Interstate commerce and rail would come to a screeching halt leaving only ocean transport to supply blue states from each other.
@@jamiefowler6524I was about to say the same thing. Texans are mad as hell that so many Californians are moving to Texas and destroying it with their politics.
If you watched the movie you would know exactly why they teamed up also this video was inaccurate anyways since the loyalist governement lost and we also have no idea how the borders actually looked and how much rebelling factions there were. But pretty muchwhat caused this whole debacle is the President forced a 3rd term, disbanded the FBI to prevent himself from being deposed by them, and at some point he also called an airstrike on protesters before the war kicked off. So none of this is a red vs blue issue and it didnt have to be especially since the movie is aboutthe horrors of war photography anyways and not an american civil war.
We should also take in account was that the WW3, Finno Korean Hyperwar, and WW4 veterans won flawless victories at Golden Gate Bridge, Bunker’s Hill, Hollywood, the Alamo, Broadway, and Harpers Ferry as much they did at Russia-China War, Vietnam-Afghan War, North Korea-Iranian War, and Cuba-Venezuelan War. Their tactics during Second, Third, and Fourth America Civil Wars are the sole reason that they won against Thanos, God Emperor, and Darkseid
For those wondering about the California and Texas alliance it actually makes perfect sense. Even though both are diametrically opposed to one another both would have good reason from their own points of view to succeed from the Union. Logically their alliance would be a means to an end to overthrow the Federal yoke and then go their separate ways. It would be no different than when we allied with the Soviet Union during WW2. The only problem in the end is that I could see Texas restoring former states to their own sovereignty while California would assert their dominance over their neighbors, especially the ones who have fresh water.
I believe a common hatred of the President violating the Constitution to be what brings the two together, regardless of their general disagreement on political ideologies. Everyone in the United States believes the Constitution and Bill of Rights to be sacred.
I love the way you made the video with the casualties displayed and encirclement numbers shown. One of the things I hate most about HOI4 timelapses is that they never show casualties or numbers.
Think y'all misunderstood the message of the movie. The movie is anti war, and portrays the horrors of a civil war in any country. I really don't think you should pay too much attention to alliances and the little politics the movie had.
The loyalist come back is extremely unrealistic. California, Texas, and Florida are economic powerhouses (not to mention the F35 is manufactured in Texas). The middle of the country produces all the agriculture. If anything they would have to agree to a stalemate at the Appalachian front or resort to nuclear weapons.
Texas and California are also deserts, tho, that's the thing I never got if anything I think that's the reason they teamed up to sum up resources as much as they could, the reason I think DC won mainly bcs it could survive the attrition longer untill the states revolted against each other making the loyalists the Victor's out of attrition
The Northeast, under this scenario, would be unable to come back. Texas and California have deserts, but have way more than just deserts.@user-cy3lv1mw7w
@kenton6804 Yeah, but it does bring up a massive problem when talking about the secession, mainly the rate of attrition. Cali itself has a single aquifer connecting to Los Angeles, their main capitol and population they need, Texas also has extreme wildfires, and drought, which is why I believe it is the reason they joined in the first place, while DC and other states have as bad they also have of a time I don't think it's as untenable as Cali or Texas they are most likely to run out of water it depends on who will Crack first, The Florida alliance is another topic they don't seem to have active combatants and we only saw them fight at day, the fight could be a harrowing one tho
@@user-cy3lv1mw7w All California needs is to secure the Colorado River from the Delta to where it meets Lake Powell, and it would have its own water needs met. The water that supplies the midwest and the east coast doesn't have any bearing on the water in the west. In fact, California is figuring out how to provide its own water through dams in the north and center of the state. All Texas needs to do to secure their water is is secure the Mississippi. In this scenario, a lot of the manufacturing centers for the "loyalists" were taken by the rebels or Florida before the stalemate occured, and the food supply in the northeast would be heavily reliant on shipping. It just doesn't seem like a tenable position.
I live in Michigan, long live the Union! Also, that 2nd Loyalist revolt was unexpected, I expected the loyalists to be holding DC as if it is Kaiser Reich, but then the revolt happened and crushed the Rebel states and Floridians
Im sorry, but there's not a single state in existence that would be able to come back from being down to just one corner of its former territory. I highly doubt this is how the movie ends 😂
@@floridaninja8521As a Floridian, you should know the history of “Spanish Florida”. That stretched from the modern Florida State, southern Georgia, across southern Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to the Mississippi River. In South East Louisiana the area is still called “The Florida Parishes”. Signifying those parishes, or counties to you, that once were a part of “West Florida”. Florida, was “East Florida”. It’s the only name with connections to 5 of the 7 states in said alliance.
@shannondavis3686 the confederacy also has connections to those states why wouldn't a south in rebellion simply be the confederacy 2 it's the first place any of our minds go anyway.
@@southron2279 well when starting a rebellion I'm sure one wouldn't want to give off the impression that they are or were a racist lunatic, but it would make sense.
If an actual civil war broke out doubt we would be called the Florida Alliance since its comprised of majority southern states they'd probably go by something like The New Confederate States of America or something close to that
Everything from 3:13 on is HIGHLY unlikely. No way in hell would the few loyalist states left have the manpower or th resources left to pull something like that off in that short a time. Neither would a revolt be that effective that quickly.
Internal fighting among rebel states, NATO support, Blockades, and more could cause the comeback. Keep in mind that a majority of the military is defending the USA and the rebels are just people with no training.
California and Texas banded together in order to restore the Union back to a proper president, not a despot... or I think that's what the story was, idk, i didn't watch the show lol
Regardless of political ideologies, California and Texas can both agree that violating the Constitution of the United States is a bad time. That alone can be what brings them together.
Those would only be loyalist cities, the countryside would never join them. What's actually gonna happen is the cities will be fenced in and left to rot. No food grown for any of them. They can eat each other.
@@drdeubs2639 You can set the capitol state. For history files (for start of game) you put this: capital = 137 For an effect you can use set_capital. Like this: set_capital = {state = 345}
@@drdeubs2639Would be more realistic if South Carolina was in the Florida alliance as they share a lot of the same values. Another reason why SC should be included in that alliance is because SC holds major say in what happens in the Southern states.
@@darth3911 your reasoning is valid but I made the factions based off of a news artical that was shown in one of the trailers, so I had no say in which state would be in which faction
I enjoy how the war turned around from loyal states uprising against their occupiers those causing the main to break and forcing the rebels to need to regroup but they wasted manpower trying to break a stalemate and was slowly pushed back by a renewed force
In a war that lasts 4 years. There is no way that they US stays in the fight with their limited manufacturing capacity. Nine of the top 10 states are under rebel control by 2019. Why did the US forces quadruple from 150k to 600k in Dec 2019 yet the rebel forces stayed the same?
I think its funny that the premise is what 4 (?) separate confederation of states could/would band together and 1. Not fall to infighting and 2. Wouldn't be overpowered by the US military.
So the one thing I did not get (this is relating to the movie posters) Why was France one of the posters? The most logical thing I could think of is there where Americans who where immigrating to places in Europe as refugees and Europe was helping them escape the war?
For those mentioning the unlikelihood of California being in league with Texas. Remember now…this movie is set a couple decades into the future. This could be a future California reeling from a backlash against an economic collapse of leftist political policies. Much similar to the governments of Eastern Europe who are currently super antagonistic towards leftist policies after having survived the Soviet Union.
I find this scenario very unlikely. To reduce the Loyalists to a small corner of the Northeast just to have them break out and push all the way across the country come on now. The truth is whoever controls the air would control the war. Loyalists would have an advantage in this category especially at the beginning. The ability to access satellites also gives them a huge advantage. Unless the rebels find a way to tap into these resources they have no chance.
The people who make the planes would have a very high defector rate in a scenario like this, so the longer the war lasts the more air superiority would shift to the rebels. Especially the cursed Texas-California Alliance.
Every satellite is launched from a "rebel state". Every anti-satelite missile is based in a "rebel state". Every land based ICBM and almost all the bomber bases and refueling bases are located in "rebel" states. Are we beginning to see a pattern here?
Honestly, I think 2 million is a generous number of casualties considering that it's only combat related casualties. It obviously doesn't factor in civilian casualties, which I think will also go into the hundreds of thousands if not millions given political, religious, sociologic, and lifestyle ideologies in each different faction.
New England alone if it were to be a separate country would have the 8th highest GDP in the world, as well as the best education in the US still, I’m honestly not surprised that the loyalist states won when they had the entirety of New England
Exactly. The USA allied with the Soviets during WW2. I don't think Texas and California allying is too unrealistic, if the federal government goes full totalitarian.
I never understood what the president and his administration did in order to finally convince states, and their local populations, to succeed from the union and revolt with an army. What was the final matter/action that cause the civil war to happen?
Every side in the conflict: Western Forces-trigger happy gunslingers and surfer dudes Florida Alliance: F L O R I D A M E N “Other Rebels”: I honestly don’t know anything about the north west part of the US Loyalist States of America: The Taxmen
Perhaps one of the stupidest settings I've ever seen, there is no timeline in which hard-left blue California would ally with Texas, that goes both ways by the way Solid red Texas would never ally with California full stop.
@TotallyOriginality is that seriously your best argument? If anything, it would be more like the US fighting in both the Pacific and Europe. America vs. Japan and Germany at the same time
The story I came up with has Candidate A (The current vice president) get assassinated by Candidate B on live TV during the last debate. Instantly disqualifying both leading candidates. The electoral process is then sidestepped by the current 2 term president who declares he is assuming a 3rd term for the sake of national unity and to put down an attempted coup after an attempt is made on his life. Him unconstitutionally assuming a 3rd term rather than appointing a new VP and stepping down sets off alarm bells in many states, who secede.
The issue with HOI is that no matter what 2 front war you have, the AI can't handle it and now it's a 3 front war lol. Obviously this was going to happen cause the AI isn't good enough.
I wish I knew more about the geopolitical story behind this. However, any kind of power user patients that would lead that many states to rebel against the federal government in the first place, would unlikely be rescued by a revolt of loyalist, after three or four years of war, it’s far more likely that the various rebellious states with joined together in a coalition and finish them off, then reestablish a constitutional government for the entire United States
Seeing this hurt my heart. I never knew how much I cared about you idiots until I seen this. The amount of lives lost over a disagreement is crazy. No matter how much we disagree we’re all still family. We need to start acting like it or this will happen.
The Rebels: “Nooooo! You’re not supposed to humiliate us that badly! You’re just the stupid north of the old US!” The Loyalist States: “Hahah, get Counter Revolted”
Well this a load of crap. The Other Rebel states simply don't have the manpower to compete like you have it. There are more people in Chicago alone than the entirety of the that region.
Chicago has 2.7 million people. The state of Washington has 7.8 million. Oregon has 4.2 million. Minnesota has 5.7. The total population of the Other Rebel States is 23 million. I assume you are just bad at math.
numbers are important. But the problem with that is, are they fighting age? are they conscripts or volunteers? Health, training, etc. Lots of variables. In the civil war, at the middle of it, yes, the North's superior numbers began to take a toll on the South. Still, the north lost many battles even though they outnumbered the opposing forces. ah, who knows how it would play out?
@@toddsummerwind Actually, I added up the numbers and the US vs all the rebels. It was 153 million vs 180 million. Not a huge difference. This is assuming our current numbers match the movie. For all I know there could have been some massive die off in the alternate US. Still my main point was that there is a lot more manufacturing in the rebel areas than in the Loyalist region. If the war stretched 4 years then it wouldn't just be about the weapons that exist at the start of the war. Oh, and most US armored units are based in rebel states. Ft. Bliss, El Paso TX; Ft. Hood/Cavasos, Kileen TX; Ft. Stewart, GA; Ft. Irwin, CA and Camp Beauregard, LA.. The loyalist states only have Ft. Carson, CO and Ft Riley, KS. Hopefully it is a good movie.
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Everyone tell me how the movie was if you watched it!
It was fine. It was light on the politics of the war, and mostly focused on how ordinary civilians were affected. The third act was weird, though. You think the movie is about to make a point about the consequences of violence, but it just ends.
@@archelon1012exactly. The war scenes and the mass grave scene were the main points of the movie to show how the people were affected.
Honestly, the politics behind it were vague but it seemed in some points to be Anti-Trump propaganda.
@@texaswolf4655 I agree. I thought it was funny when they listed disbanding the FBI as one of the evil things the president did. This movie was definitely written by a British celebrity who doesn't know the first thing about American politics.
It was ahhh.... don't expect to leave the theater with any answers.
It was trash
Yeah 2 million casualties in a modern American civil war would not even touch the surface of how many would die
I’m disappointed in how the mods for the modern day in hoi don’t properly reflect the true amount of devastation that modern warfare would cause, especially a civil war. Then again, I don’t even know where to begin trying to simulate a civil war because things like corporations, social media, etc. make it exponentially more complex.
@@drdeubs2639The problem is the population in each state doesnt decrease when you recruit from it, so they can die and you just get infinite manpower, even if you nuke every province in a state the population doesnt move an inch
Before it could really even get off the ground there are some incredibly important things that would have to be taken very quickly. 1 stealth bomber bases, fighter bases, artillery, Armour. Without airpower is over before it begins this includes the nukes. Whiteman AFB with the close proximity of Ft. Leonard Wood and Omaha, Nebraska would be incredibly tricky
@@drdeubs2639 thing is, American young (who would be the ones forced to do most of the fighting) are too caught up in microaggressions and safe spaces that I can say with confidence, that generation will never cause a civil war.
Maybe their kids that had enough of the bs, but not 19 year olds today.
The original Civil Wars death toll of 600,000 was the equivalent of 6 million today adjusted for population increase. A modern civil war would be way more devastating even than the original one
That ending was something only Hitler could've dreamed up... in the Spring of 1945.
That could have been a reality if only Steiner launched his counter attack. XD
@@fredtheted3530 Yes, its all Steiner's fault :)
i don't know about that, "other rebel states" are described as Maoist-Marxist's in the film
So basically you had the Confederacy, Texas, California, and Cascadia rebelling against the US. Honestly, I didn’t think all those rebel coalitions would lose.
It's because the retarded ai defends the coast and other areas instead of the Frontline
Well they were conquering regions that were loyalists to the old union don't underestimate the patriotism of an American
Carolina’s would have been loyal to CSA for sure though
A lot of nuclear weapon sites are in the territory of "Other Rebel States" tho.
Loyalists held most of the major industrial and population centres so they had a pretty big edge over the rebels
Them: "Aren't you worried people will see this as a little too realistic given the political climate of the 2020s?"
Me: "Texas-California Alliance"
Them: "Say no more fam you good"
well it’s the elite and rich in cali that are controlling it. nobody will actually die for them so there will be little resistance. you have to understand, the only thing protecting the villains are the laws.
The media: The most controversial movie.
Me during movie: who the fuck are floroda alliance what is the of what is the western forces , i dont understand nothing.
@@diegomoreno7760 Yeah thats kind of the point of the movie. You're NOT supposed to know whats going on you are basically a Journalist who is making the story as you go across the battlefield and even then you don't know that much of what is going on. Even at the start of the movie one of the guys was like "Whats the point of this? Once they reach DC they're just going to go back to fighting each other for power."
Texas and California exceeding together in alliance requires really something for Feds to do.
Texas and California would never agree to get along in the first place. You would need to basically need to break it down by red and blue states with pockets of blue in major cities. Interstate commerce and rail would come to a screeching halt leaving only ocean transport to supply blue states from each other.
CA is mostly red, but the blue cities take out the votes. Blue states would get help from NATO over the Atlantic ocean.
@@jamiefowler6524I was about to say the same thing. Texans are mad as hell that so many Californians are moving to Texas and destroying it with their politics.
I like to believe the red parts of California successfully put down the blue cities and reached out to Texas.
But that's why it's a fantasy.
If you watched the movie you would know exactly why they teamed up also this video was inaccurate anyways since the loyalist governement lost and we also have no idea how the borders actually looked and how much rebelling factions there were.
But pretty muchwhat caused this whole debacle is the President forced a 3rd term, disbanded the FBI to prevent himself from being deposed by them, and at some point he also called an airstrike on protesters before the war kicked off. So none of this is a red vs blue issue and it didnt have to be especially since the movie is aboutthe horrors of war photography anyways and not an american civil war.
Scenario of this series looks like generic USA civili war in a mod
Alaska looking at the country like " The Fuq is going on down there?"
Imagine they were getting invaded by Hawaii or something lmao
@@Callsign_Prophet nah I feel like sense they are isolated they would just stay quiet and see who would win.
*Canada enters the chat*
@@complexsin5469Then exits the chat.
@@asricklore331Or Hawaii goes back to becoming a kingdom but isolated
As someone who is a proud citizen of Other Rebel States, I am glad we managed to last this long.
The ORS will rise again!
@@dx-ek4vr The west will rise again
Nah we won by the landslide, at that point we wouldn't need to do jack shtt, the East will die on its own feces.
Hollywood bs.
We should also take in account was that the WW3, Finno Korean Hyperwar, and WW4 veterans won flawless victories at Golden Gate Bridge, Bunker’s Hill, Hollywood, the Alamo, Broadway, and Harpers Ferry as much they did at Russia-China War, Vietnam-Afghan War, North Korea-Iranian War, and Cuba-Venezuelan War. Their tactics during Second, Third, and Fourth America Civil Wars are the sole reason that they won against Thanos, God Emperor, and Darkseid
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wtf XD
For those wondering about the California and Texas alliance it actually makes perfect sense. Even though both are diametrically opposed to one another both would have good reason from their own points of view to succeed from the Union. Logically their alliance would be a means to an end to overthrow the Federal yoke and then go their separate ways. It would be no different than when we allied with the Soviet Union during WW2. The only problem in the end is that I could see Texas restoring former states to their own sovereignty while California would assert their dominance over their neighbors, especially the ones who have fresh water.
i could see texas becoming chummy with the florida alliance and possibly shifting it to a southern alliance
I don’t see a situation where Florida and Texas don’t unite. Similar culture and values, historical basis, etc.
@@HffFhj-nm7jv exactly... way more than texas and cali lol
I believe a common hatred of the President violating the Constitution to be what brings the two together, regardless of their general disagreement on political ideologies. Everyone in the United States believes the Constitution and Bill of Rights to be sacred.
Thus leading to the California v Texas war.
I’m sure the loyalist states will somehow Ofcourse miraculously win in an ending that is storybook like in the movie.
Fr. There is literally no way they come back from only holding New England.
@@HawksBeastbritish intervantion
@@DreerKarler That would not be enough.
@@HawksBeastentire nato intervention
@@Zepellin Still wouldn’t be enough considering they’d have to plan invasions. The rebels would also probably have support.
I love the way you made the video with the casualties displayed and encirclement numbers shown. One of the things I hate most about HOI4 timelapses is that they never show casualties or numbers.
Thanks for the feedback :)
Nato: I'ma head out
It would be a matter of Congress pulling out the Article 5, if they did though then it wouldn't have been much of a struggle for the USA
A24 rolls worst civil war hypothetical, asked never to cook again.
so true, so excited for the movie and there was hardly any action, just some girl who gets a bunch of people killed
Think y'all misunderstood the message of the movie. The movie is anti war, and portrays the horrors of a civil war in any country. I really don't think you should pay too much attention to alliances and the little politics the movie had.
The loyalist come back is extremely unrealistic. California, Texas, and Florida are economic powerhouses (not to mention the F35 is manufactured in Texas). The middle of the country produces all the agriculture. If anything they would have to agree to a stalemate at the Appalachian front or resort to nuclear weapons.
Texas and California are also deserts, tho, that's the thing I never got if anything I think that's the reason they teamed up to sum up resources as much as they could, the reason I think DC won mainly bcs it could survive the attrition longer untill the states revolted against each other making the loyalists the Victor's out of attrition
The Northeast, under this scenario, would be unable to come back. Texas and California have deserts, but have way more than just deserts.@user-cy3lv1mw7w
@kenton6804 Yeah, but it does bring up a massive problem when talking about the secession, mainly the rate of attrition. Cali itself has a single aquifer connecting to Los Angeles, their main capitol and population they need, Texas also has extreme wildfires, and drought, which is why I believe it is the reason they joined in the first place, while DC and other states have as bad they also have of a time I don't think it's as untenable as Cali or Texas they are most likely to run out of water it depends on who will Crack first, The Florida alliance is another topic they don't seem to have active combatants and we only saw them fight at day, the fight could be a harrowing one tho
@@user-cy3lv1mw7w All California needs is to secure the Colorado River from the Delta to where it meets Lake Powell, and it would have its own water needs met. The water that supplies the midwest and the east coast doesn't have any bearing on the water in the west. In fact, California is figuring out how to provide its own water through dams in the north and center of the state. All Texas needs to do to secure their water is is secure the Mississippi. In this scenario, a lot of the manufacturing centers for the "loyalists" were taken by the rebels or Florida before the stalemate occured, and the food supply in the northeast would be heavily reliant on shipping. It just doesn't seem like a tenable position.
Imagine resorting to nuclear weapons 💀 this whole scenario is stupid as fuck and anyone who gives any of it credence is a tard
I live in Michigan, long live the Union! Also, that 2nd Loyalist revolt was unexpected, I expected the loyalists to be holding DC as if it is Kaiser Reich, but then the revolt happened and crushed the Rebel states and Floridians
They rulled pulled a stalingrad
Im sorry, but there's not a single state in existence that would be able to come back from being down to just one corner of its former territory. I highly doubt this is how the movie ends 😂
As someone from Georgia, I'm disappointed we were united under Florida but at the same time impressed we lasted that long.
as a floridian I'm disappointed it was called florida alliance.. southern alliance would have been more suitable
@@floridaninja8521As a Floridian, you should know the history of “Spanish Florida”. That stretched from the modern Florida State, southern Georgia, across southern Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana to the Mississippi River. In South East Louisiana the area is still called “The Florida Parishes”. Signifying those parishes, or counties to you, that once were a part of “West Florida”. Florida, was “East Florida”. It’s the only name with connections to 5 of the 7 states in said alliance.
@shannondavis3686 the confederacy also has connections to those states why wouldn't a south in rebellion simply be the confederacy 2 it's the first place any of our minds go anyway.
@@southron2279 well when starting a rebellion I'm sure one wouldn't want to give off the impression that they are or were a racist lunatic, but it would make sense.
having the “other rebel states as a solid block is a mistake” better off balkanizing them. would make the scenario way more interesting.
I’m surprised some low yield tactical nukes weren’t used. Especially at the end there with the Loyalist States on their last legs.
Yes the Loyalists are literally a dictatorship, they would have no problem nuking the rebels.
Damn, President Offerman really pulled it off
LOL
How did the loyalists push back from the brink like that?
It probably their allies from Europe and nato
@@Nightprideenclave_studio what Allies?
@@VideoMaster40K like uk Ireland France, Germany, Poland Italy, Canada, Australian New Zealand
@Nightprideenclave_studio why would any of them come in at the last minute?
@@VideoMaster40K well you see In realize the ship all the troops it going to take 2 or 3 days to arrive in America like In ww2
Texas would be part of the South (Florida Alliance)
Which would then become the Texas Alliance.
@@tylerian4648or the Confederacy 2.0 XD
So would the carolinas
@@tylerian4648As a Floridian, we will not allow it to be called that.😂
If an actual civil war broke out doubt we would be called the Florida Alliance since its comprised of majority southern states they'd probably go by something like The New Confederate States of America or something close to that
Everything from 3:13 on is HIGHLY unlikely. No way in hell would the few loyalist states left have the manpower or th resources left to pull something like that off in that short a time. Neither would a revolt be that effective that quickly.
Internal fighting among rebel states, NATO support, Blockades, and more could cause the comeback. Keep in mind that a majority of the military is defending the USA and the rebels are just people with no training.
@@obamahimself2885If that was the case, they wouldn't even be able to push to new England. In that case however, no comeback would be possible.
It would make more sense for a Florida-Texas alliance California and Texas are basically the opposite ends of the spectrum
Texas and Florida are practically best friends.
California and Texas banded together in order to restore the Union back to a proper president, not a despot... or I think that's what the story was, idk, i didn't watch the show lol
You are thinking SF/SJ/Oakland metro and LA metro outside of those two Metros California is no different than any other western state.
About the only thing they can agree on is that the Feds kinda suck.
Regardless of political ideologies, California and Texas can both agree that violating the Constitution of the United States is a bad time. That alone can be what brings them together.
Did we watch the same movie? The loyalist were defeated by the end of the movie with the storm and fall of DC
Made the video before the movie came out 💀
Thanks for the spoiler, idiot.
Those would only be loyalist cities, the countryside would never join them. What's actually gonna happen is the cities will be fenced in and left to rot. No food grown for any of them. They can eat each other.
yep. No need to send fancy armies in to get chewed up in cities. Just encircle them and keep moving.
lol it’s not that simple
The faction in the Northern US is the New People's Army, I believe they are Maoists.
…you rigged it, didn’t you…
Nope 🙃
Watched the movie, the entire time I was thinking about Kaiserreich 💀
In the ad, it talks about how rebel forces are gonna reach DC on July 4 ☝️🤓
Dumb ending; Loyalist States were too far gone and would never recover (Typical HOI IV foolishness). Hope no one sees this stupid movie coming out.
I was just thinking if someone was gonna make this scenario. I’m gonna go see the film.
You it's Hollywood when they think Texas and California would join sides.😂😂😂😂
Makes me wonder how the WF was able to get to dc so easily
Florida man: I call tea bagging the president.
Why is the Florida Alliance's capital not in Florida? Why is it in Georgia? Makes no sense.
Probably because game mechanics dictated that. I’m not sure I have control over the location of a nation’s capitol
@@drdeubs2639 Not a problem. 👍
@@drdeubs2639 You can set the capitol state.
For history files (for start of game) you put this:
capital = 137
For an effect you can use set_capital. Like this:
set_capital = {state = 345}
@@drdeubs2639Would be more realistic if South Carolina was in the Florida alliance as they share a lot of the same values.
Another reason why SC should be included in that alliance is because SC holds major say in what happens in the Southern states.
@@darth3911 your reasoning is valid but I made the factions based off of a news artical that was shown in one of the trailers, so I had no say in which state would be in which faction
Yo! Cool video, VERY COOL VIDEO. But what mods did you use, etc?
Loyalists pulled it out in clutch 😂
Ai clearly doesn’t know what it’s talking about 💀
The fuck how did that happen?
I happened
I enjoy how the war turned around from loyal states uprising against their occupiers those causing the main to break and forcing the rebels to need to regroup but they wasted manpower trying to break a stalemate and was slowly pushed back by a renewed force
The Republic of Alaska will not tolerate tyranny, nor shall we abide by the errant warlords of the lower 48.
Ah yes 2025 onward in a nutshell
Kaiserreich's Second American Civil War made more sense than this one.
Why does Texas gets an extra tile at the very beginning
In a war that lasts 4 years. There is no way that they US stays in the fight with their limited manufacturing capacity. Nine of the top 10 states are under rebel control by 2019. Why did the US forces quadruple from 150k to 600k in Dec 2019 yet the rebel forces stayed the same?
The numbers are the casualty numbers not the number of troops
The “Florida Alliance” having the Georgia flag
And their capital is Atlanta
The Governor of Illinois would do anything for the federal government……Anything!
3:13 What happened?! Did Lelouch take over the loyalist army?
I could never see Texas the picture of red America and California the unwanted teaming up
I think its funny that the premise is what 4 (?) separate confederation of states could/would band together and 1. Not fall to infighting and 2. Wouldn't be overpowered by the US military.
So the one thing I did not get (this is relating to the movie posters) Why was France one of the posters? The most logical thing I could think of is there where Americans who where immigrating to places in Europe as refugees and Europe was helping them escape the war?
In reality Missouri would have taken everything for itself, as God proclaimed.
I cannot believe NC wouldn't have been part of the rebellion.
For those mentioning the unlikelihood of California being in league with Texas. Remember now…this movie is set a couple decades into the future. This could be a future California reeling from a backlash against an economic collapse of leftist political policies. Much similar to the governments of Eastern Europe who are currently super antagonistic towards leftist policies after having survived the Soviet Union.
Good analysis, and it makes a lot of sense. Like.
Kaiserreich type civil war
Again, Texas and California being on the same side of anything is impossible to comprehend
Due to the economic powers that they are, to support themselves economically against the Union, if they had won, they would take different paths.
I find this scenario very unlikely. To reduce the Loyalists to a small corner of the Northeast just to have them break out and push all the way across the country come on now. The truth is whoever controls the air would control the war. Loyalists would have an advantage in this category especially at the beginning. The ability to access satellites also gives them a huge advantage. Unless the rebels find a way to tap into these resources they have no chance.
The people who make the planes would have a very high defector rate in a scenario like this, so the longer the war lasts the more air superiority would shift to the rebels. Especially the cursed Texas-California Alliance.
Every satellite is launched from a "rebel state". Every anti-satelite missile is based in a "rebel state". Every land based ICBM and almost all the bomber bases and refueling bases are located in "rebel" states.
Are we beginning to see a pattern here?
Honestly, I think 2 million is a generous number of casualties considering that it's only combat related casualties. It obviously doesn't factor in civilian casualties, which I think will also go into the hundreds of thousands if not millions given political, religious, sociologic, and lifestyle ideologies in each different faction.
Starvation and disease would be the biggest killers. Supply chains and farming would be disrupted. Big disaster.....
New England alone if it were to be a separate country would have the 8th highest GDP in the world, as well as the best education in the US still, I’m honestly not surprised that the loyalist states won when they had the entirety of New England
wait what happend march 2021
Alliances are about power not similarity.
Exactly. The USA allied with the Soviets during WW2. I don't think Texas and California allying is too unrealistic, if the federal government goes full totalitarian.
California uniting with Texas? That would be a stretch!
I never understood what the president and his administration did in order to finally convince states, and their local populations, to succeed from the union and revolt with an army. What was the final matter/action that cause the civil war to happen?
Every side in the conflict:
Western Forces-trigger happy gunslingers and surfer dudes
Florida Alliance: F L O R I D A M E N
“Other Rebels”: I honestly don’t know anything about the north west part of the US
Loyalist States of America: The Taxmen
Is their a hoi4 civil war mod not kaiseriech
This movie is going to be dumb as hell...
Perhaps one of the stupidest settings I've ever seen, there is no timeline in which hard-left blue California would ally with Texas, that goes both ways by the way Solid red Texas would never ally with California full stop.
forgetting about the soviet union joining the allies in WW2? history is full of enemy of my enemy is my friend and this would be one of those times.
@TotallyOriginality is that seriously your best argument? If anything, it would be more like the US fighting in both the Pacific and Europe. America vs. Japan and Germany at the same time
The story I came up with has Candidate A (The current vice president) get assassinated by Candidate B on live TV during the last debate. Instantly disqualifying both leading candidates. The electoral process is then sidestepped by the current 2 term president who declares he is assuming a 3rd term for the sake of national unity and to put down an attempted coup after an attempt is made on his life. Him unconstitutionally assuming a 3rd term rather than appointing a new VP and stepping down sets off alarm bells in many states, who secede.
This kind of sounds like the plot of prequels of star wars
The reason is that this was their very scenario in the upcoming civil war movie, hence the title.
The issue with HOI is that no matter what 2 front war you have, the AI can't handle it and now it's a 3 front war lol. Obviously this was going to happen cause the AI isn't good enough.
EACH DIXIE BOY WILL UNDERSTAND THAT HE MUST MIND HIS UNCLE SAM
How the French took the land back ?
They'd get wrecked
thats the sequal
Why would anyone remain loyal ...how many generations of my family fought and died just for mine to starve while you profit
I wish I knew more about the geopolitical story behind this. However, any kind of power user patients that would lead that many states to rebel against the federal government in the first place, would unlikely be rescued by a revolt of loyalist, after three or four years of war, it’s far more likely that the various rebellious states with joined together in a coalition and finish them off, then reestablish a constitutional government for the entire United States
If this ever happens run. Run for Canada 🇨🇦
why didnt the rebel coalitions fight eachother
They were supposedly United against the USA
They were supposedly United against the USA
They were supposedly United against the USA
The Other Rebel States had a name: The New People's Army
Loyalist States dropping like flies cuz they ain't got no damn guns up there! lmao
Seeing this hurt my heart. I never knew how much I cared about you idiots until I seen this. The amount of lives lost over a disagreement is crazy. No matter how much we disagree we’re all still family. We need to start acting like it or this will happen.
whats the mod?
I don’t understand how this ties to the movie
I would join the Florida Alliance.
The question is, will Americans turn these states into races, because… it’s America!
Make the Louisiana Purchase Great Again!
The Rebels: “Nooooo! You’re not supposed to humiliate us that badly! You’re just the stupid north of the old US!”
The Loyalist States: “Hahah, get Counter Revolted”
Please make the last of us factions in hoi4
Flawed premise.
This map is based on political parties the blues and the reds
I don't think Texas is blue...
Um I think the loyalist lost the war
It's astonishing how fake this is
I mean it’s a game 💀
what mod is this
Millennium dawn mod
i thought in the movie wf won
Make a mod pls?
Well this a load of crap. The Other Rebel states simply don't have the manpower to compete like you have it. There are more people in Chicago alone than the entirety of the that region.
Chicago has 2.7 million people. The state of Washington has 7.8 million. Oregon has 4.2 million. Minnesota has 5.7. The total population of the Other Rebel States is 23 million. I assume you are just bad at math.
@@david-1775Still a valid point. Not enough population in the other rebel states to go on the offensive.
numbers are important. But the problem with that is, are they fighting age? are they conscripts or volunteers? Health, training, etc. Lots of variables. In the civil war, at the middle of it, yes, the North's superior numbers began to take a toll on the South. Still, the north lost many battles even though they outnumbered the opposing forces. ah, who knows how it would play out?
@@toddsummerwind Actually, I added up the numbers and the US vs all the rebels. It was 153 million vs 180 million. Not a huge difference. This is assuming our current numbers match the movie. For all I know there could have been some massive die off in the alternate US. Still my main point was that there is a lot more manufacturing in the rebel areas than in the Loyalist region. If the war stretched 4 years then it wouldn't just be about the weapons that exist at the start of the war. Oh, and most US armored units are based in rebel states. Ft. Bliss, El Paso TX; Ft. Hood/Cavasos, Kileen TX; Ft. Stewart, GA; Ft. Irwin, CA and
Camp Beauregard, LA.. The loyalist states only have Ft. Carson, CO and Ft Riley, KS. Hopefully it is a good movie.
I saw this movie
It was a funny haha
It would be the coasts and Chicago against the entire country. No contest.
Kansas in loyalist area 😂😂😂 Kansas people hate Commierado and the Woke Agenda.