The Acolyte - Episode 7 - Deja Vu But The Jedi Did Nothing Wrong?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Disney Star Wars The Acolyte Episode 7. As i type this i think to myself why....just why does Disney force me to adujst my expectations ever more downwards. But once again they have..... because i have a new worst episode....and its this one.
What can i say about this episode? Well... do you know what's worse than an episode containing no content?......
Its an episode containing mainly content you have already seen which was terrible the first time round. Except this time the slight differences are supposed to provide context and reasoning and yet the episode finds itself lacking in both and what answers it does provide just don't make sense.
Anyways We look at the episode as a whole, the main issues throughout (hint.... its all about the writing) and what little we actually can gleam for an episode that for all intents and purposes should even exist.
Can you believe that this is supposed to be the penultimate episode...... Because i surely cant. What were your thoughts about the episode? What did you like about it, if anything? Let me know below!
Never liked any scenes, just a bunch of cliche and boring plots imo.
The main conflict of the flashback, between the coven and the Jedi is dealt with in a very heavy-handed way, lacking focus on the two, separate, sympathetic points of view.
On one side, we have the coven of witches who want to be left alone and raise their children according to their beliefs.
On the other, we have Jedi who consider powerful Force users - children or not - a potential threat that must be controlled.
Both sides have their arguments:
*"We're not part of the Republic, we just want to live in peace away from everyone else. We're not harming anyone. We purposefully hid on this planet. And you followed us here to force us to comply with your dogmatic ideas of what Force is and isn't. Why won't you leave us alone?"*
*"We can't. Powerful Force is at play here and your children are at the centre of it. Today you may be able to control those twins but one day you won't. Without proper training and discipline, they will become a threat to you, themselves and everyone else in the Galaxy. We've seen this happening before, you must let us train them!"*
Both POVs are conflicting and lead to an inevitable confrontation. We don't need to obscure this conflict with any side-motivations, the conflict stands on its own feet. This is a main theme of the tragic events that took place on Brendok that should be presented to the viewer in a clear and precise way - because it is the foundation of the whole series. Both sides think they do the right thing.
Instead, the whole conflict boils down to the horrible communication skills of all involved (and one Padawan who REALLY wants to go home).
If a conflict in your story can be resolved by characters not acting stupid... it isn't a good conflict.
And this is the core of what doesn't work in this episode - we feel cheated out of a good story we were hyped for all this time.
Everything else, the metal detector, the fire, the dying witches are secondary to the fact uncovering the big mystery of this show isn't satisfying to the viewer.
I couldn't agree more with what you have said. As you said the conflict should be because both parties believe they are right.
The issue, other than stupidity being the only reason the show makes sense, is how tilted the show has been in its morality. It has purposefully tried to, rather than address the idea they both see themselves as right, paint the jedi as being the bad guys. But they can't even keep to that with how the pulled out from it in ep 7. I still can't work out what the jedi did wrong or why they would cover it up.
It's just a sad excuse for writing.
Thanks for the comment tho 👍🏻
A vergance has only ever formed around one human. The tree Luke goes into on Dagobah is a vergance. It is usually a place that concentrates the Force. Anakin is the only person who was a vergance.The vergance is the hole the witches were standing around.
I could debate the tree on Dagobah with you, i believe its the cave that is definately the vergence. That said i was under the impression that Dyads were also a form of vergence if i am wrong on that then i guess i am wrong.
But what bugs me is if the hole is the vergence, Sol was within very close proximity of the hole.... as they all were by the end of the episode. Are we supposed to believe that none of them sensed a concentration of the force right beside them that can quite clearly be harnessed if we are to believe it was manipulated to create Mae and Osha?
Are we supposed to believe that when trying to locate a vergence in the force none of them would use the force to find said vergence and would instead resorted to slow boating it across a planet taking samples and using metal detectors?
Its just crap.
Nice video, for an episode where basically nothing happened you managed to make it a better watch that the episode was.
Thanks for the comment and the compliment. Hope to have you here for the finale.
According to Leslye Headland, this episode was supposed to make the audience sympathize with the Jedi and realize that their "great sin" was really just a tragic but honest and understandable mistake, and she also said she thought it would be best to leave the reason for Sol's instant, intense connection to Osha "mysterious." Instead, the episode plays as a half assed indictment of the Jedi, and Sol's attachment to a little girl he has barely spoken to seems ludicrous and/or creepy. This is incompetent writing.
Couldn't agree more with this.
Also the truly shocking thing so much of the context of the show is not actually in the show. It's when leslye comes out post episode to explain all the things they didn't actually show or explain in the show.
That is all the evidence you need for why this show is awful.
Sol has not had a padawan yet, which is how you become a master. Once your padawan becomes a knight, you become a master.Headland said the kids were not the vergance, that they were created by the witches using the vergance, which has to be the hole.
Firstly thanks for the comment. As for how you become a master That is not strictly true. Training a padawan is one of multiple ways to attain the rank of jedi master. In fact it's the easiest way and would normally require the successful training of multiple padawans without any failures of the jedi trials to prove that you deserved the rank of jedi master.
There would be many jedi who had padawans who would never attain master status.
The main characteristics of showing that one deserved to be a master is to show the strength of their devotion to the order. This could also be done through other noteworthy feats in service to the Republic or the jedi order itself.
By such reasoning sol could be a jedi Knight or a master.... we don't know which because its never explained at the time.
As for headland saying that, that's all well said and good. But it's never shown in the show, and if it isn't shown in episode 8 then regardless of what she says it didn't happen in the season as a whole.
The fact she has had to come out after every episode and provide context and try to explain what she has done or what things meant is testament to just how bad the writing and production of the show is. A show should stand on its own two feet, it shouldn't require a running commentary to make the show make sense.
The vengance is almost certainly the hole but it wouldn't be the first time this season that they u turn massively. And because of that i cant help but feel they are setting the twins up to be a dyad I could be wrong and I hope I am but again they have proved already they don't give a damn about the continuity in star wars so I have absolutely no faith in them.
The Acolyte writers could have redeemed themselves simply by having Kalnaka push Torbin’s lightsaber into Torbin. Not only would’ve it been brutal and incredible, but it’s the only way that scene makes sense with Torbin holding the saber like that lmao… I would let everything else pass if they displayed an inkling of understanding physics, but no, they even failed in that regard 😂
I think sol is a jedi knight but that said your right. These are not jedi. If they were they would be sith before long.
There's just too many acts done out of emotion or sheer desires for their motivations to work with the jedi order. These shouldn't have been allowed into the order let alone have passed the jedi trials.
@@BanefulChronicles I'm pretty sure that the four who went to the planet that Mae was trying to hunt down and kill are the players from that TTRPG session that Leslye claimed to have gotten the story idea from. It sounds mind bogglingly STUPID to do that, but... yeah.
@@marhawkman303 Thanks for the comment.
I hope that is true because it would explain so much if it was almost a DnDesque script with each writer just making up the character they represent as they go. Just instead of having 1 character who is an idiot for humour purposes, they have every character as an idiot.
Being honest though i didnt know the idea had come from a tabletop game..... its a level of idiocy that i cant understand and i dont think anyone else can either as evidenced by the fact Leslye has to come out and justify herself after every episode and it just makes even less sense after she speaks.
@@BanefulChronicles I think Leslye just didn't have any actual GOOD ideas, and used that because she doesn't really understand how to make a good story. Which makes me wonder why she was the story lead....
@@BanefulChronicles you know, thinking some more.... I don't think the incident on Brindok was created for this show at all. Leslye's comment about it made it seem like a funny anecdote.... and something that happened before the show's idea even existed.
Also given that this is set in the High Republic time period... that'd make the game session something that happened rather recently, since the books for that came out a few years ago.
They killed Star Wars the moment they mentioned they will make Star Wars without wars...That was the red flag for me.
Thanks for the comment,
in many ways i think your right with this I do think star wars needs conflict whether it has to be on the galactic scale im not sure. I still think telling the story of Darth Bane (with competent writers) could be exceptional and it would not require a galaxy spanning war or rather it might start as this and then whittle down as it progresses.
Either way there were many other places they could have gone in the EU but they chose to de-canonise it and when they do borrow from that content they ultimately end up doing it worse than it was done the first time.
And this is why I think the problem is the writers in general and the fact they are creatively bankrupt. And this is what has killed star wars. Even when they do produce something worth watching people are now so sick of star wars they wont watch it (ANDOR).
With the exception of the acolyte everything they have produced has been set in a tiny timeframe of the universe. Probably because they want up to recognise and draw lines with content we have seen before but that in itself is fraught with dangers if it isn't done well.....and lets face it..... its not.
It leads to a damaging of the storytelling that was there previously because of the logical inconsistencies in the storytelling or outright universe breaking events and revelations that impact the whole of the IP.
The irony is they tried to move outside of the timeframe. Which i would commend them for if they hadnt still tried to make it relevant to the prequels and in doing so potentially damage the prequels or try to assign blame for the fall of the Jedi order beyond its logical source. They also still hired writers that i wouldn't let loose on a daytime soap, i mean they have had significant flop after flop both in the movie department and in series releases and yet the same clowns continue to get jobs.
Isnt there anyone better suited for these roles? isn't there anything better that Disney could be producing? Id argue yes.... but they are doing their best to make me think not.
Without being cnical, some superfan of the acolyte should explain to
me why Torbin felt guilty enough to kill himself. Seriously. Torbin was
mindraped by the witch who tempted him - he defended himself against
the witch arrows, and the wookie - he did NOT harm anyone, not even indirectly.
All he did was exist. And wanna go home. If Trinity or Sol felt guilty, that at least
could make minor sense. But i dont see any logic behind this. They will have to
make even another flashback to explain why Torbin would feel guilty. It makes no sense at all.
Thanks for the comment,
The writers are incapable of even understanding logic and therefore nothing they produce is even remotely logic.
Everything you have pointed out is true, there is nothing he did wrong. He defended himself as every turn, never was he the aggressor despite being violated in such a way as he was. There is no reason he should feel guilt. Maybe Sol should but lets face it she turned into a bloody smoke demon so I totally get him striking first because he thought he was protection Osha who turned out to be Mae.
The whole premise of this show is that the Jedi are supposed to have done something terrible. The only thing I can find is they are all idiots, don't act like the Jedi's they claim to be, and likely could have told the Jedi council the truth without any issue. instead they covered it all up for no reason.
Its perplexing to say the least.
@@BanefulChronicles Indeed, it is the same kinda inconsistent logic with which certain political groups attack everything. They claim to be victims of thought crimes. And in the same way here, we are just supposed to FEEL that Torbin was bad. He was a child. But a male child, so he is guilty as charged. But it also highlights a certain thing ive noticed in society - they do NOT differentiate between attacker and defender.
I expirienced this many times in my life. The attacker is not the one who initiates violence, but who is supposedly weaker on their victim hierarchy. (Even if for Torbin that logic also does not work). The entire story would have made more sense, if they just started with the brendok incident chronologically and made only 1 flashback. Dragging any mysteries/plotholes beyond a first season, is reaaally bad writing. After first season, at least the basic motivations for characters should be completely visible.
Did ANYBODY feel any empathy for the mindcontrol witches dying because Trinity unplugged them from the Wookies mind? I mean... In WHAT world is what they did, defendable? Or virtuous? They assaulted the Wookie Jedi with their power of MAAAANNY and a single hand mudra from trinity just kills them The whole idea of presenting the JEDI as some kinda police, is ridiculous. I never saw this in expanded universe or any SW game..
My thoughts? It's just bad....
Thanks for the comment and I don't think I could sum the show up in less words than that.
I actually cant work out how the hell you are managing to watch all of these episodes. Its unwatchable.
It was a difficult watch and once it's over, assuming it does get a season 2, I'm not sure I'd be racing to watch it.
If I hadn't chosen to review it I almost certainly would have checked out by now that's for sure.
Ha couldn't agree more!
@@pompombonanza Thanks for the comment
I’m always on team Jedi but these Jedis act like idiots and don’t act like professional at all however the witches were the ones who act antagonistic to the Jedi looking how the leader mind probe Tobin. Plus did they ask the question what the witches do to repopulate their numbers what would happens when they give birth to a boy and the men. Also the Dyad is just bullcrap I read about it the explanation is disappointing just an excuse for gaining more power.
"i'd love it,i'd bloody love it if we beat em!" ..a twat from manchester says hello and best regards sir :-)
To you too, say what you like but that quote will stand the test of time. I mean managerially he wont have anything to show for it but he will always be a God on Tyneside.
And being honest, id take that season and the fact we collapsed and won the big goose egg over any other season we have had since.