Fly Tipper Caught! Sleuth Inspector John Cracks The Case
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- Опубликовано: 3 авг 2020
- Ex-Cop John receives a tip-off on a fly tip…
With fines ranging up to £50,000, the authorities take fly-tipping extremely seriously and John isn’t going to let this one go.
Armed with a pen, a pad, and his wily copper instincts, John follows up on the clues supplied to him so far and faces up against a somewhat curious individual.
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Did I get this right... he tipped the rubbish on the property of the customer that didn't pay?
That would seem pretty fair to me since surely until the point of payment the customer still owns the rubbish...!
They never said that it was on the customers property, they said it was tipped on the industrial estate.
@@snakeplissken526 tipped outside the unit that hired it so he emptied it where the skip was dropped off
you take him to court :)
Well said m8, glad to see someone with a brain👍
Fair play to him if he's returned rubbish to the customer that didn't pay him. I also wouldn't give too many details to a bloke with a suit, clipboard and a cameraman in tow. No ID, no official documents then no giving out details. Skip guy did his own due diligence, he stalled the bloke until he clarrifed the guy's crudentials.
If you don't pay your bill you get what you deserve.
How old is this, 80quid for a skip?
gary23jag 1982 I think 😆
@@gary23jag I know ye a tiny skip near me. Cost £65 plus you need permit aswell, which is another £15.
They can go to small claims court. This costs hundreds of pounds for the council to clean up.
The environment deserve better though.
That is not fly tipping that is return of property
Wrong , in law its considered fly tipping , one in his skip , he becomes the owner of the contents , if he then tips it all overr the floor , then that's fly tipping, whether the recipient deserves it or not .
@@davidhaney1394 true it is considered fly tipping, but I think in a court of law they would not find him liable....... If they did, then well that just proves how currupt and messed up our system is
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The work was unpaid for, although the correct process would be to take the guy that didn't pay to court after disposal of the rubbish securely, I, myself personally would have done the same but not have picked it back up.
@@RightfulRecordings I mean in an idea world, it would go alot smoother, but even if he did get fined, he could most likely sue the "customer" after then fact and correct the situation
everytime somebody fills my wheely bin with dirty nappies I report it to the cops
@@allistergraham6704 Your what's called a irresponsible prick then.
Meanwhile, someone fly-tipped in my lane and I have it on camera as my backdoor comes out to it. The local council and police say that I'm not allowed to film the lane so they cannot use the footage to investigate or prosecute and I'm left to deal with it myself. So many things in this country are broken.
Mate I have a piece of council owned land next to my house, and the same has happened. What’s even worse was our shitty builder used a dodgy waste removal service to remove rubbish from our house build and they fly tipped that 20 miles away, that council found a piece of cardboard with my address and I got fined £800 for fly tipping.
Scruffy dirty rat no excuse for tipping rubbish how many times has he got away with it????
They are fobbing you off ! They can use the footage, they just can't be bothered. The crime of fly tipping outweighs the "crime" of gathering evidence of criminality by surveillance. Tell them you've had trouble there in the bit you are filming, picking up bags of rubbish? Drug deals? Antisocial behaviour? That's why CCTV?
Covert recording is not strictly allowed but you can record your partner secretly to gather evidence of abuse. I had a camera on my back gate, also saw bits of car park, the police were ungrateful I'd recorded crimes against my property and said I shouldnt "spy" on car park but they soon came knocking for evidence when car park on fire?
You are allowed to film your back door and anything going on around it?
The police are always too busy road pirating to deal with stuff like this. I sometimes wonder what we pay the police for through our council taxes. In my area, the only indication that police actually exist is when you hear the sirens as they chase cars for cash on the main roads.
What a load of crap . Shouldn't be the skip owners fault. Pay your bill !
he lied from the start, i doubt he was telling the truth.
always the skip owners fault, should not fly tip, fly tippers are scum!
@@Morne555 witnesses said the skip was sat outside the unit where he emptied it. He’s telling the truth
If the person dint pay him to move it why should he thats how small businesses go bust poor fella
Why not leave the skip on the guys drive then?
@@jpk2742 because he needs the skip , to hire to other customers who do pay , i suspect he doesn't have a lot of spare cash to keep forking out for new skips , the customers are professional scammers , they have now got their rubbish moved for free , and the guy they ripped off a fine, they have probably ripped no end of people off , builders , cleaners etc
Skips are left after customers paid so he tells lies
@@idiocracyisnowadocumentary8834 If he thought he'd done nothing wrong,
he wouldn't have told a pack of fucking lies when first confronted.
@@Da51lva Why would he dump it right in front of the customers house, the one person with all the information of the business. The customer definitely didn't pay and that's why they got all their shit back.
Poor fella. The customer who didn't pay should have to pay out for the removal. He just left the waste where it was originally
Indeed.
It seemed like the two might have been twin brothers, they looked practically identical, but one had a mole near his mouth.
About tipping the rubbish, it is a bit of an awkward situation. It looked like there were a number of businesses that used that industrial estate, so the skip owner was wrong to dump it. Formally, he probably should have disposed of the contents properly and then issued a bill for the missing money; later, a small claims court might be needed. However, I know this to be a royal pain in the ar*e to do and there are all sorts of ways for a debtor to obfuscate the process.
You are right but when you run any business you have to accept the very likely possibility that some customers simply don't pay (e.g. shoplifters). You cannot then break the law yourself to mitigate against these potential losses. Why should the Council tax payer pick up the tab for fly tipped waste regardless of who dumped it?
Poor fella who lied about who he was from the start and then wants us to believe him,get real.
@@chubbyroyston3880 he's trying to earn a quid, and some A/ Hole won't pay up ! Get real 💲
good job on the blush and sweat in the thumbnail haha
Looks like anime or something
I hadn’t even noticed this and went back to have a look.
I'm new this, question, what do you mean by thumbnail ?
@@stevefoster5138 the thumbnail is the picture on the video before you click on it
@@stevefoster5138 thumbnail is the image preview of the video.
Hardly a "sleuth", a witness told him who did it!
That’s how it works. You do what ever you need to to figure out who did what.
@@clacicle r
@@clacicle thanks for explaining the inner workings of detective work.
@@darland3821 you’re welcome! Another perfect example of this, is the current crisis in the United States where thousands of, so called, “patriots” stormed the capital whilst taking pictures and video of themselves and even live streaming. All the authorities have been doing is looking at these images for evidence of criminal wrongdoing and rounding the imbeciles up.
What would a documentary be without hyperbolic terms
Thats not fly tipping if some one dint pay for his service to remove the rubbish and he takes his skip back thats down to the owner of that premises to move it
But the owner of the premises did not dump it in the first place .He put the rubbish in the skip ,not on the ground.
The skip guy tipped it on the ground .
So let me get this straight. Skip left to be filled. Customer does not pay. Skip emptied were it stands. Michaels right 100 % ex cop cancel man go find sum real fly tipers not this hard working chap. This is what's wrong with this country rotten to the core. 💩💩💩
yeah it does stink, its not the skips rubbish, they dont pay fuk em they shouldnt take it, its fuked this country fuked
“Cancel” man. 😂. Do you mean council man. FML
I thought the same, easy nick..
Justify taxing us..
This country is beyond repair.
Well they could have taken it and then pursued the non-payer for the amount in small claims. By tipping it like this is creates more problems for other business owners in the area and the environment. Yes its wrong not to have paid but disposing of it first would have been the lesser evil.
Is it really an offence to return the waste if they don’t pay for the removal??
The state of these laws is ridiculous
But its unfair to all the other businesses on the estate if they just dump it if they have evidence that the havent payed they should take it depose of it correctly and go to court so no the state of the laws isnt ridiculous they are there to protect the enviroment and people and animals safety.
Campbellious 3 it depends. If it’s dumped on their property then there’s no problem.
@@johnb8956 tbh it doesnt look like it is on their property cause the ar usaly for rent and they only get the unit not the road outside
@@johnb8956 that and they wouldent get involved like that if it was on private property as they would have spoke to the owners to clean it of their property not find the culprit and get them to clean it up
if he was thinking properly it's an unpaid bill, therefore legally a debt where he can add Interest to around 1% per day + late payment charges. eventually getting a court order (which dont cost anything unless you need to actually take it to court)
So the law is on his side if he just played nice but he didn't
All this man has done is take away his skip and left behind what doesnt belong to him.
The law is an arse.
Technically you're right but when you run any business you have to accept the very likely possibility that some customers simply don't pay (e.g. shoplifters). You cannot then break the law yourself to mitigate against these potential losses. Why should the Council tax payer pick up the tab for fly tipped waste regardless of who dumped it?
@@burropoco Why should companies be allowed to fold owing vast amounts of money and then start up again under a different name still not paying off the dept.
The goverment stands by this law so as far as I am concerned the goverment should pay, unfortunately that means us tax payers suffer. and yes I run my own business
and see the very dark side of Councils who are always trying it on until you put them right.
What a retarded way of looking at it.
@@charlesforeman9438 Id take your phone pack your keypoard is messing up
@@hamidge1976 Must have been talking about something else, as I very often have youtube open on 3 tabs all the time. Thanks Lee
So this poor bloke not only doesn't get paid for dropping the skip off and the hire cost, he has to pay tipping fees for someone else's rubbish.
Two wrongs don't make a right. He should have sued the customer for non payment.
@@simonseis744 Not everyone has the same amount of time as you to be a smart arse in the comments or take people to court over £80. You're probably as insufferable as this fat fuck conducting his "investigation".
As usual the enforcers are going for the wrong people. He should be going for the people who own the waste and left it there; not paying for it is dumping it. Why should the skip firm lose the use of a skip? It’s not theirs until the bill is paid and the waste transfers to them. This kind of thing really boils my piss, and a bucket of boiled piss is what this country is becoming.
Chemist shop I worked at got a fine notice from a distant town, for unlawful dumping. The owner had given away cardboard boxes for moving. No More. The regulators of the tip found a box addressed to the shop, and claimed it was proof of illegal dumping.
Yeah same with any establishment. One of my friends owns a resturant and paid some guy to hand out advertising leaflets. The guy just dumped the whole lot on the street corner and it was blown all over the place, so the resturant owner was fined for littering.
I’ve always assumed you need to pay for a skip upfront and the price includes skip delivery and pick up.
It often is that way but if it's a regular customer or a big client they can have an account and pay on invoice
It's like everything you pay upfront now so we know who's telling the lie I suppose I just tried to get more money out the people and the people weren't having none of it
@@oblkilleruk Or Maybe the skip earner Would be crooked. Like you basically charges on amount, For example overfilled
Can't stand fly tippers. We got a skip last summer and told the neighbours (who are elderly) they could add to the skip once we had finished as they had a few broken up fence panels. Didn't have much to put in it, but, because the local tips were shut due to the pandemic some bloke in a white van filled it to past the point anyone would take it with garden cuttings (hedges and trees) and drove off before I could stop him. I have a bad leg from an op gone wrong and my hubs was at work. My husband had to rearrange everything so the skip place would take it back and couldn't help the neighbours. Cheeky S.O.B. I had been keeping an eye on it for 3 days before that happened and the day I 'let my guard down' that tool comes along. Don't trust anyone. Apologies for the long rant, but it makes my blood boil.
CCTV is a must these days. I’ve had this same problem. These days it’s easier and cheaper to hire a van for the day and take it to the tip
@@ZachAsaD True, normally my Dad does tip runs, but with everywhere being closed at that time getting a skip was (we thought) the better option. Ended up doing tip runs a few months later with the bits we couldn't fit in there.
Skip guy done what most of us would of done after not being paid.
It's a business risk. If the customer company has gone bust the owner of the unit has probably been left with a bunch of shite to clear up and unpaid bills too. And the skip guy has gone and dumped more shite everywhere on the property to top it off.
It's part of the skip owner's responsibility once it's in his skip; and he needs to factor that in to his pricing. But a lot of these guys'll undercut each other to get business and cut costs by being anti-social dickheads dumping waste for the rest of us to deal with.
“Would of”? What does that mean?
The big problem is caused by people charging to take away rubbish and then fly-tipping the load, I feel that this case is slightly unfair.
OMG we used MT skips when we moved into our house, and I'm pretty sure we paid on delivery of the skip. I thought that was always the case
No for a company its done by invoice
I always paid on delivery
A liquidator can reverse payments
Yea OMG.
Yes if you are a one of customers of course you pay up. But repeat customers etc who build relationships have leeway with most businesses your comment is stupid
I think Michael is being a bit hung out to dry here. He doesn't seem like a bad guy at all. More like, as he said, "Not being paid, what do you do?". He did what many, including myself, probably would do. And he immediately owned up, explained, and rectified the situation. Flytippers are filthy pigs, but based on this, Michael is not a flytipper. He simply recovered his own equipment from a non-paying customer, and left the rubbish which rightfully belongs to his customer. It was the customer who was responsible for the mess, as the customer did not arrange properly for collection. I'm hoping Michael had a lawyer involved here. He didn't do anything wrong.
Morally he did nothing wrong, legally he did.
Laws not about fairness or common sense sadly.
HE LIED TO GET OT OF IT
Ther's always the option of taking it to the Small Claims court.
MT skips "hang on ill go get me pad" f$%k me two letters ,and can't remember.🤣
😂 👍
I'd of tipped it too if they didn't pay. Them going bankrupt isn't his problem.
Great investigation skills. 💚💚
i reckon the bystander was the fellah who didnt pay for his skip
Or just some bloke fed up of fly tippers dumping shit on the estate.
Should say "thick as a brick skips,"🤣
Fly tipping should carry a mandatory 2 year jail sentence for the people tipping and the company owners
The skip company didn't get paid so they emptied the contents out, that's totally different from fly tipping, why should a skip company take the loss , skip companies in future should ask for payment up front before dropping off a skip problem solved.
Yeah, he did the same really as skip drivers tipping skips on non paying customer’s drives and everyone cheers the skip driver on.
He didn't dump rubbish.
He returned the customers' belongings.
But he did not dump it in the guys garden on his own property.If he hadcfound out where he lived and done that he would have been ok.
why should he take there rubbish away if i dont pay for a service i dont get it
this is exactly why none of my skips get dropped off till payment is made
1:58 meet Tim Enright
3:05 meet Michael Enright
twin brothers!
Different hats. Can’t be the same guys
Unpaid work big bust for the ex cop , I feel for MT skip’s doesn’t get paid by the company for the job and the local council puts it on him . All UK. Councils couldn’t run a piss up in a Brewery 🍺. Every one of them would sell their own grandma to keep on the pay day con . Look at your local council see who is involved
The way that skips stacked I wouldn't be stood infront of it.
"M.T SKIPS!" Classic! Pahaha! 🤣😅
Feel sorry for the skip owner, the GO is going after the wrong people.
I get why he did it, but by tipping the garbage out in the industrial estate, it’s creating a mess for everyone else. They should pursue unpaid debts through the courts
That was the good news as they left the garbage where it came from.
Tipping garbage on lands not owned by the tipper should be an offence but tipping garbage on lands you own ?
A tenant under the lease has similar rights as the land owner.
I think this GO was just being fat and lazy !
That bystander guy needs to be Careful he doesn’t know what he’s doing. You just don’t know that’s the thing.
@@QueernMental - This is years old but I agree. Should have blured their faces, at least.
BriskSkies even worse. It would have been seen by millions on tv at the time.
@@Landie_Man Yes, of course. However, I was suggesting that if it did cause any issues it'll have blow over by now.
BriskSkies oh yes more than likely
He just said he left it on the customers property, thats not fly tipping. Fly tipping is dumping elsewhere.
That can't be true. If it was dumped by the skip guy on his property ( say his drive way or front garden ) then the inspector would not be interested.
Its like if u go to a ind estate the outside ground area is not owned by them .
He has every right in the book to do what he did. Anything else is BS.
Most people would agree the skip owner is in the right here.
This is UK we have systems in place to deal with things where 3rd world thuggish ways are not normal. There is NO proof shown that skip was ordered and payment not made. Its all One-sided lies lies lies & more lies even impersonating a non existent brother as the owner of this Dodgy company.
Its amazing how many earned people fall for these rats/worms of society
I usually like fly tippers getting caught but this guy was totally justified. If he wasn't being paid then why should he take the trash away?
That's the story he told. Is that the truth? He lied about being the owner of the company. He lied about dumping it in the first place. He lied about who he was. So why do you suddenly think he's telling the truth now? He probably got paid, found an industrial park to dump, and then made up a story to justify doing it because the only other explanation is "I'm a giant ********."
@@scottmc1855 Yeah that's true.
Although it looks like a busy estate (lots of cars) and he did it in front of those two men which is odd because real fly tippers usually hide away like rats.
You're right though, the fact he lied is a bit suspect. He should have come out straight away and said that they hadn't paid him.
@@scottmc1855 was he even obliged to talk to a man in a suit without ID, a warrant. He was cautious not a liar.
@@billgreen576 - What does that have to do with anything? Either shut your mouth or tell the truth. It's that simple. If you choose to assert your rights and not talk, then that is your choice. However lying is the worst thing you can do because once you lie than everything you say after means nothing. Cautious does not equal lying.
Then he should have dumped it back at the premises he took it from
Fair play for the guy, he picked it all up, and probably “dumped” it somewhere else.
Keep his word even though he lied about who he was for most of the encounter....
Yeah nice one mate 👍
0:13 "... he's been given a tip off..." No pun intended of course!
Can't be fly tipping if its on the same property it was on so basically the person who didn't pay for the skip has put the rubbish there and fly tipped it by not paying for it to be removed
0:12 12 seconds in and already a bad pun😂
This is what’s wrong with this country. The customer don’t pay the skip company but the skip company gets fined for the low life’s rubbish. And the ex old bill can feels he’s had a great day being a job’s worth. Well done you pr#t
So you put the face of the witness for the public to see. After 50k fine that man isn't safe.
Given the situation of the case of the non paying customer and that he picked up the rubbish I’d say he got no more than a £500 fine, if that.
Forgetting you own the company is a grave oversight.
It does happen, though. I remember we had a completely irate "Karen" who blew her top and was yelling at the entire staff, one by one. When she got to me, she shouted "Do you work here ???", to which I truthfully answered no. She didn't ask for a shareholder to be present.
But in this case, Tim did actually not forget it's his twin brother, Michael, who owns the business.
Should have taken the contents of the skip to the business owners house! Emptied it on his lawn!
Exactly.
That was not fly tipping at all. It was simply a man retrieving his own property.
Well it was fly tipping regardless of how you want to see it.
@@simonseis744 if he wasn't paid the rubbish isn't his ,that's theft
OK, so at 2:20, "Micheal" is the name he gives of his Gaffer, then he says his own name is "Tim", and they're brothers. Initials of M and T, MT Skips.
Smart
And if he removes the Rubbish ,can he be charged with theft, As it does not belong to him 😂😂😂😂😂
I pick up after flytippers,6 out of 10 times you find addressed letters and builders invoices, it's not difficult to track most of them down!
What other things I find,and I do find some good crap,goes in my shed!
I love my job!
Rubbish us property of the customers untill payed for. So he didn't break any laws and was falsely prosecuted. Disgusting
Ive been a skip driver for 7 years and this is the done thing, you dont pay I'll empty the skip and take my skip back,thats still not great for me because weve spent time and diesel delivering the skip and then going back to collect the skip with NO payment. Working for a big company we generally just leave the skip there until someone pays because we have plenty of skips, but for a small firm, you need that skip back because its not earning you money sitting there. Ive tipped rubbish back on non payers drives and took great pleasure in it, am i wrong?
Bingo!
We need more of these videos right away this is my favorite RUclipsr so please tell somebody get busy
I believe these videos inspire many people worldwide to clean up
This country is a laughing stock get the real fly tippers
WHO’S THAT THE ACTUAL PEOPLE DOING THE FLY TIPPING LIKE IN THIS VIDEO ?
Well people in this situation for future reference, get the money up front, then collect the full skip, if they can't pay they don't get the service.
He should have tipped it where he picked the skip up from. The customer who didn’t pay.
Amazing drtective work "did you see who did this"
Skip must have been stolen….😂😂
If customer had not Paid he wouldn't have taken it. He is a liar. Takes the money and instead of disposing it correctly he dumps it so as not to pay. 🐀
I wish we could get more follow ups on these stories
Nah, you pay BEFORE the skip arrives, then once full it's taken away because the bill has already been paid. Matey is lying through his teeth about the customer didn't pay.
No skip company in the country delivers a skip BEFORE it's paid for in full.
Wow even the massive brain cells of Sherlock Holmes would have been challenged on this case!
I know - amazing how he joined the dots up. These guys just have a 6th sense :D
I saw a programme once where someone fly tipped a mattress on a blokes drive overnight. When he saw it he dragged it out of his drive onto the pavement outside his house. A neighbour reported him and he got done for fly tipping. That’s not fair imo.
2 wrongs don't make a right.
If someone put their car on your drive and you drag it out onto the road , you can get nicked.
This is why this country is fucked Why is the bloke gonna take it away if he hasn’t paid for it🤬
this is not fair on the skip owner.....this is not fly tipping at all its taking back his property,,,,,the skip.....
Epic sauce
I followed this case, the court found him guilty and sentenced him to the electric chair. On appeal the judge gave him leniency and reduced the sentence to 86 years and ordered to throw away that jumper. Micheal has tried several escape attempts the last one failed when, as he tunneled out his escape to freedom was blocked, by a skip.
the horrible jumper mans lawyer got the case thrown of court stating the case against him was rubbish
@@LarryFogarty 😂😂😂
Such suspense!
I don't see this as fly tipping the waste belongs to the person who ordered the skip, he didn't pay so he left the waste on site. That's what he should have said.
Absolute shambles 🤦🏻♂️. The honest hard worker man cleans up after the non payer and the lazy ass government worker. One day the people will unite and say no to this hypocrisy!
I just looked this up to see what Fly-tipping is. I've seen a version of it in our country where contractors dump trash along the side and in (wait for it) a reservoir. That's peoples' drinking water people.
Why not catch real fly tippers, not people retrieving their property for none payment?
They’re clearly co-owners.
Michael = M
Tim = T
MT Skips.
Poor guy!!! He doesn’t deserve that !!
@S Rod There's a world of difference between fly tipping and returning waste to a customer who had delivered that waste to you but couldn't pay you to dispose of it. And he didn't dispose it over the entire industrial estate, man, he returned it to the exact place it came from. Yes it was wrong. But don't lump this man in with real, regular fly tippers, he'd never done this before and he's never done it since.
moment... moment....
so you tell me, that some customer took container from skip, didnt pay for taking the rubbish, so owner of container left waste-load on place and took his own container and he need to take responsibility??
thats stupid.
Why can't the guy leave the customers rubbish behind on his property if he doesn't pay??! I dont get it.
Because the law is stupid and only favours those at the top. This is just a way to destroy small businesses.
Nothing to say it was who's he said it was. Could've just dumped it on the estate and made that story up about a 'customer not paying'. He's as dodgy as fk.
00:56 ..............No one likes a GRASS.
what is illegal is councils charging businesses and residents a 'second' time to remove their waste.
Catch real fly tippers John. Total jobsworth.
So he expected to escape the consequences of fly-tipping?
He's a fool for not getting full payment before delivery of the skip, since the law doesn't allow him to empty it on the private land of an industrial estate.
Had tip stolen 🤨 that old chestnut 😂
I remember finding a load of fly tipped rubbish a few years ago, it was builders rubbish with a receipt for the job and an address so I slipped the receipt under a brick and phoned our enforcement office. People who Fly Tip should be publicly humiliated in the stocks and Birched also as well as the fine.
I would strongly suggest that someone in authority should have stood by while the clean up was carried out, and then follow the skip lorry to make sure they didn't just dump it somewhere else.
Sounds bollocks to me as all skip company’s make you pay for it first .?
Not corporate clients who are account customers.
Could have been part of a job ie 3 month job first installment after one month
Littering is a big problem over there.
I guess if he could find the units home address he could dump it in his garden ?
Councils closing refuse centres left right and centre, then charging a fortune for business rates and council tax and then charging extra to take away large items, hardly surprising people feel forced into illegal dumping.
the council bloke just got the easy conviction he should have gone after the legal owner of the wate,
Why? The owner of the waste is not the councils concern, nor is the contract between the hirer of the skip and the skip company.
Tough on crime😂😂😂
Fly tipping is a menace full stop!! This guy didn't fly tip though. I feel sorry for him. He seems like a decent bloke.
A guy I knew had a wheelie bin dispute with Wakefield council, he wheeled it up to Castleford Civic Centre and tipped it at the front doors. You didn’t mess with Kenny Wainright.
Kenny wainright sounds like a scumbag
He came clean
No. Because he didn't do anything wrong.
He did not bring waste in and dump it... he simply removed his property... the waste was already there... not fair to him...
The guy who hired the skip should clean it up.
I suppose the only way to discourage non-payment is to get the money before taking on the job! We’ve usually paid up front on the few occasions we’ve needed a skip service.