I'm Indonesian, I personally studied about stoicism by myself through E-book and contents on the internet such as your videos and applied the teachings daily. I have seen that book, but never bought it. And to my surprise, seen your documentary that states some Indonesians are opened to stoicism shed a spark of light to me. This country, definitely need stoicism teachings since it'll help the people to be more grateful and proactive.
I discovered stoicism recently from a friend who recommended that book "Filosofi Teras". I subscribed to your channel few weeks back due to eagerness to learn more about it. Thank you for holding this short interview with the author of the book. 🤗💕
I believe when we can practice stoicism well, we also are able to practice our religion path better. Because I see that stoicism is compatible with what many religions teach us how to face life
It's something logical if you think about it. It's a philosophy that gives a lot of counsel about very important issues in life without telling you to believe in god or gods. Stoicism is rising because a Lot of people can read and easily follow the ideas. Great content as always. Glad to see other people are getting help by using this philosophy
ricardo ceballos Indeed it is religiously neutral. You can accept Stoicism without giving up the religion you already believe in. You can even believe in it if you are atheist and have no religion at all. That’s the beauty of philosophy. Or at least this philosophy. Some philosophies are anti religious. But Stoicism? Believe or not, you should still strive to live virtuously. Live a good and virtuous life. If there is a God and he is good, he will not care what your denominational dogma has been, but will welcome you to heaven when you die based on the virtues by which you have lived your life. If there is a God but he is unjust and capricious, then you should not want to worship him. If there is no God, then when you die you will be gone, but will have lived a good and noble life that will live on in the memories of those who knew you. I paraphrased Marcus Aurelius’ famous quote to reflect a more monotheistic world culture.
Fascinating topic Einzel. I do think that it would be great if you could get the opportunity to further investigate just how influential the book has been, what is the readership, what demographics are aware of it, etc.
Hey Einzelganger, love your content. I was thinking of the subject of passivity, in relation to Stoicism. I think this needs to be addressed, as many struggle with the fine line between indifference/passivity and stoicism. If the idea interests you, I'd love to see your take on the topic. Keep up with the great content, you're inspiring many.
Loved the mini-doc, hopefully more to follow re Stoicism in other countries? Esp of such a varied religious place as Indonesia gives me such hope for the future of mankind, THANK YOU!!
stoicism and other branches of philosophy have been my medicines. anytime my mind is in a bad place, i always turn to this channel and my stoic meditations.
LaLabutterfly well obviously Islam is the ultimate truth, and it says it in the Quran that as human beings we’re supposed to learn about everything that surrounds us. Islam’s teachings encompass all the greatest philosophies in one place. So like he said, stoicism and Islam go hand in hand
I kind of came to all the conclusions of things like stoicism/taoism/buddhism on my own with the help of LSD as a magnifying glass, and these perspectives can absolutely help one overcome anxiety and depression. I don't see it as something that can be gotten rid of, necessarily. What makes me prone to being depressed and anxious is just the way my brain works. But I have learned to navigate my brain and not let myself become oppressed by it. I use the traits that make me prone to depression to my advantage now.
This modern version of Stoicism promoted by the Exeter group led by Donald Robertson, and of which also Massimo Pigliucci mentioned in this video is a member, seems to steer away from actual Stoic teachings. Donald Robertson is a psychologist and he mixes CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) with Stoicism. But Stoicism is not meant as therapy. It is actually not suited for people with mental problems, especially depressions, since some of the Stoic practices like negative visualization can even worsen the condition. The influence of modern psychology has also introduced a doctrine, which is diametrically opposed to Stoicism: the acceptance of emotions. Modern psychology assumes that emotions are part of human nature and their suppression is unhealthy, while ancient Stoicism taught the opposite. The Stoics were firmly convinced that virtue and apatheia (complete lack of emotions) are realistic goals and that humans can overcome their animal nature, which is based on emotions and desires. Emotions are not part of human nature in the eyes of the Stoics, only rationalism. Ancient Stoicism was optimistic about our abilities to change our mind for the better; modern psychologist stoicism is deeply pessimistic and believes that we cannot change our Freudian/Jungian psychology, so that we have to accept, not suppress our emotions. It would be very unfortunate, if Indonesians get introduced into this modernized and distorted form of Stoicism and are never given the chance to find out what Chrysippus, Epictetus and Seneca actually taught.
It may be the case, but as long as it's helpful, i see no problem with it. Why use the original doctrine if the modified one is easier to be used and more effective? As far as i know, accepting emotion in order to process it through the lens of stoicism is easier than outright reject it. The field of psychology seems to support this notion. Stoicism is not a religion, thus it's far more flexible for change. Just because the ancient philospher did it, doesn't mean it's better. So yeah, i disagree with you, but i know you want stoicism to be more popular, same like me
I think there is singular big similarity between Stoic and traditional Javanese (an ethnic in Indonesia) are holding together. One is that life is not always up to our wish. Difficulties is inevitable. "Narimo ing pandum" is a javanese proverb that translate to "to accept everything coming toward us". Whether it's good or bad. This philosophy in our local even become a joke. Say if you just had an accident on moto and lose your feet. There will be some who say "it's better than u lost your soul". We feel grateful for the smaller damage by the unaccidented greater damage. Grateful yet masochistic at some degree. The quite same value are also socialized by islam. At least my ustadz/teacher have taught me such things.
Heyy!!!! I'm from Malaysia! An Asian. I think it's pretty normal to have an interest in western philosophies, as a Muslim I find stoicism has its similarities with Sufism and it is quite big in Indonesia and Malaysia. But yeah not on the mainstream level. Is the World Great? Cause it really is what our religion asks us to do. Stoic can absolutely be applied with Religions.
At first I heard about stoicism when I saw DR Fahruddin Faiz, an Indonesia Islamic college teacher, in youtube a few month ago. Even though he is an Islamic college teacher, he taught us about philosophy around the world in a very easy way to understand. From there, I bought Filosofi Teras and learn that many stoicism way of thinking are very related on today's problem. As a moslem, I see similarities about guidance how people has to deal with live in my religion and in stoicism.
his recovery from Depression further confirms what i believe of it, that it is more a condition of the mind rather than of chemical imbalances as people like to portray it as.
honestly, i see that stoicism aligns really well with islam. they also encourage to "submit to God" when it comes things that out of control, hold your anger, manage your emotions, even the prayer is a form of meditation. there's 3 unique things that stoics practice that's literally the same thing what a devout muslim does are, 1. speak less than necessary, and if you can't speak anything good (ex. scolding, dirty words), then try to shut up. This you'll feel more calm because you think rationally, and not a lot of emotions spilled out and spark more anger or any bad negative feelings. 2. Accept whatever happens as a positive thing, is the same, learn something good and think about good outcomes from hardships and suffering. 3. Focus on what you can control, in Islam destiny is a big concept, All humans have predestined moments of their lives, and those things happen for a good reason, and it depends on yourself what you can reflect from it.
How to manage negative emotions. Sir, if you could make a video on on this ... "How to manage negative emotions" with some suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Rajeev.
love your videos about doomer zoomer it shares the key insight of stoicism that hits spot on to us, the generation that is hyper sensitive with abundance of info and apparently you've come all the way to my country too wow, keep up the good work man!
I'm Indonesian and live in Jakarta. National book seller doesn't always mean that the idea is accepted nationationally, since most of people in here are not keen readers. Moreover, the standard of being called 'best seller' is questionable. 3000 books sold is already called bestseller. Compare to 15 mio people in jakarta only! Though I (of course) don't mind if stoicism spreads widely in here.
Loved the video although I don' t think it can be good for the political climate of Indonesia. Stoicism can have a backlash, oversimplified it is the art to not worry about things out of your control, but whatever is out of your control is subjective. Politics is about cooperation, if you place stoicism into a political climate it can cause people to not care, which can result in ignoring problems or not voting as examples. The last thing Indonesia needs now is a stoicism. The people need to work together and rise up against the many problems there. Papua stopped their stoicism like thoughts and began to make a change.
Sufism which founded by Rumi is from Islam which is very close to Stoicism. No surprise Indonesia accepting Stoicism. I think this is how religion and ways of living should be passed like the way this author is doing. Not connecting it with any religion not ridiculing any religion just putting it on the table as one new and let them decide. ❤️
Stoicism teaches Apatheia (complete absence of emotions), not EQ. In Stoicism you do not need to interpret the emotions of others, because they are irrelevant and beyond your control. Only your own virtue is relevant. Seneca once recommends to pretend showing emotions, when society requires it or others expect it, but he also cautions against feeling anything internally when pretending so.
Conditioned to be a Christian, I am now a Buddhist. Buddhism is about you being the problem and the solution to your path. One of the things I found out about humans is that they don't put in enough time or effort to research belief structures. Less angry, violent, stress, jealous of your neighbor, please put more effort into researching the BUDDHA. "EVERY WISH FULFILLED" E.T.
As a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka Mormon), I can say that stoicism is very compatible with my religion and religion in general. It would be great if people were more tolerant, even here in America.
You have to note that there's very few Indonesians who actually read books - and that it's only this very small portion who are interested in stoicism 😂😂
Check out Einzelgänger's book 'Stoicism for Inner Peace' here: einzelganger.co/innerpeace
West: Hey Asia, that Buddhism stuff looks cool!
East: Yo pass the stoic philosophy!
thats whats happening right now haha
From what little bit I know about each philosophy, they seem very compatible.
Sounds fair 😉
Grass always seems greener on the other side hehe
@@seanaaron7888 they are. I'm a practitioner of both.
I'm Indonesian, I personally studied about stoicism by myself through E-book and contents on the internet such as your videos and applied the teachings daily. I have seen that book, but never bought it. And to my surprise, seen your documentary that states some Indonesians are opened to stoicism shed a spark of light to me. This country, definitely need stoicism teachings since it'll help the people to be more grateful and proactive.
No it doesn’t it only needs what it already has
I discovered stoicism recently from a friend who recommended that book "Filosofi Teras".
I subscribed to your channel few weeks back due to eagerness to learn more about it.
Thank you for holding this short interview with the author of the book. 🤗💕
Stoicism is saving my life from major depression and your channel really really helps. Thank you
Ojalá todo salga bien!!
Gracias amigo!
I believe when we can practice stoicism well, we also are able to practice our religion path better.
Because I see that stoicism is compatible with what many religions teach us how to face life
It's something logical if you think about it. It's a philosophy that gives a lot of counsel about very important issues in life without telling you to believe in god or gods. Stoicism is rising because a Lot of people can read and easily follow the ideas. Great content as always. Glad to see other people are getting help by using this philosophy
ricardo ceballos Indeed it is religiously neutral. You can accept Stoicism without giving up the religion you already believe in. You can even believe in it if you are atheist and have no religion at all. That’s the beauty of philosophy. Or at least this philosophy. Some philosophies are anti religious.
But Stoicism? Believe or not, you should still strive to live virtuously.
Live a good and virtuous life. If there is a God and he is good, he will not care what your denominational dogma has been, but will welcome you to heaven when you die based on the virtues by which you have lived your life. If there is a God but he is unjust and capricious, then you should not want to worship him. If there is no God, then when you die you will be gone, but will have lived a good and noble life that will live on in the memories of those who knew you.
I paraphrased Marcus Aurelius’ famous quote to reflect a more monotheistic world culture.
@@kurtlangberg6143 That is always the quote I renember when I teld stoics beliefs about religion. Such a good quote indeed
@Time to Reason And I'm glad that people are willing to listen and give their point of view.
I'm glad that more people will know about stoicism. It's really a great way to live.
I knew it! There's something between you and indonesia 😂
His videos always contain some Indonesian content in it wkwkkw
Wkwk.. yap i saw dangdutan 😂
Let the wkwkwk come in 👍😜
Finally the mystery has been revealed
@@yogap6162
Yes… finally, i can sleep deeply.
Ya… akhirnya, ane bisa tidur nyenyak. 😅
Fascinating topic Einzel. I do think that it would be great if you could get the opportunity to further investigate just how influential the book has been, what is the readership, what demographics are aware of it, etc.
I appreciate how your videos are never too long.
I'm definitely going to have to check this man's book out, great video einzelganger!
Hey Einzelganger, love your content.
I was thinking of the subject of passivity, in relation to Stoicism. I think this needs to be addressed, as many struggle with the fine line between indifference/passivity and stoicism. If the idea interests you, I'd love to see your take on the topic.
Keep up with the great content, you're inspiring many.
Fantastic format & editing in this documentary. I look forward to more of these.
Loved the mini-doc, hopefully more to follow re Stoicism in other countries? Esp of such a varied religious place as Indonesia gives me such hope for the future of mankind, THANK YOU!!
Ada banyak kesamaan antara Stoicism dan ajaran leluhur-leluhur kita di Indonesia 😁
Great mini documentary my friend.
Your content only gets better! Thank you for putting it out
Wonderful seeing stoicism reaching the most unlikely of places.
stoicism and other branches of philosophy have been my medicines. anytime my mind is in a bad place, i always turn to this channel and my stoic meditations.
4:40 EXACTLY! I’ve noticed so many similarities with Islam and it definitely helped me understand Islam/spirituality
LaLabutterfly well obviously Islam is the ultimate truth, and it says it in the Quran that as human beings we’re supposed to learn about everything that surrounds us. Islam’s teachings encompass all the greatest philosophies in one place. So like he said, stoicism and Islam go hand in hand
To achieve highest degree of santuyy...
Please make a longer version of this. Brilliant.
What a nice Channel I found!
I really find your videos inspiring!
Also you got a calm voice what's easy to listen to!
I kind of came to all the conclusions of things like stoicism/taoism/buddhism on my own with the help of LSD as a magnifying glass, and these perspectives can absolutely help one overcome anxiety and depression.
I don't see it as something that can be gotten rid of, necessarily. What makes me prone to being depressed and anxious is just the way my brain works. But I have learned to navigate my brain and not let myself become oppressed by it. I use the traits that make me prone to depression to my advantage now.
Ive got not much to say except this is a great video, thank you for sharing this, Einzelgänger.
So complete!
Love your mini documentary
Very interesting. Thank you.
Stoicism is my medication to depression and many other mental issues I may be dealing with.
Ahh i had seen that book on local book store (Gramedia), i shall buy it for reference.
Stoicism simply teach you to embrace life as it, to be happy no matter what and the reality of the life & universe.
This modern version of Stoicism promoted by the Exeter group led by Donald Robertson, and of which also Massimo Pigliucci mentioned in this video is a member, seems to steer away from actual Stoic teachings. Donald Robertson is a psychologist and he mixes CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) with Stoicism.
But Stoicism is not meant as therapy. It is actually not suited for people with mental problems, especially depressions, since some of the Stoic practices like negative visualization can even worsen the condition. The influence of modern psychology has also introduced a doctrine, which is diametrically opposed to Stoicism: the acceptance of emotions. Modern psychology assumes that emotions are part of human nature and their suppression is unhealthy, while ancient Stoicism taught the opposite. The Stoics were firmly convinced that virtue and apatheia (complete lack of emotions) are realistic goals and that humans can overcome their animal nature, which is based on emotions and desires. Emotions are not part of human nature in the eyes of the Stoics, only rationalism.
Ancient Stoicism was optimistic about our abilities to change our mind for the better; modern psychologist stoicism is deeply pessimistic and believes that we cannot change our Freudian/Jungian psychology, so that we have to accept, not suppress our emotions.
It would be very unfortunate, if Indonesians get introduced into this modernized and distorted form of Stoicism and are never given the chance to find out what Chrysippus, Epictetus and Seneca actually taught.
It may be the case, but as long as it's helpful, i see no problem with it. Why use the original doctrine if the modified one is easier to be used and more effective? As far as i know, accepting emotion in order to process it through the lens of stoicism is easier than outright reject it. The field of psychology seems to support this notion. Stoicism is not a religion, thus it's far more flexible for change. Just because the ancient philospher did it, doesn't mean it's better. So yeah, i disagree with you, but i know you want stoicism to be more popular, same like me
I really love stoicism a year ago i discard it then i realized that it is more helpful for me when time of distress. From Philippines!
Well done on this mini documentary. Thank you
Excellent videos!!!! 👌👏👏👏👏👏. Thanks for them!
Good content as usual.
Thanks! 👍
I think there is singular big similarity between Stoic and traditional Javanese (an ethnic in Indonesia) are holding together. One is that life is not always up to our wish. Difficulties is inevitable. "Narimo ing pandum" is a javanese proverb that translate to "to accept everything coming toward us". Whether it's good or bad. This philosophy in our local even become a joke. Say if you just had an accident on moto and lose your feet. There will be some who say "it's better than u lost your soul". We feel grateful for the smaller damage by the unaccidented greater damage. Grateful yet masochistic at some degree. The quite same value are also socialized by islam. At least my ustadz/teacher have taught me such things.
Heyy!!!! I'm from Malaysia! An Asian. I think it's pretty normal to have an interest in western philosophies, as a Muslim I find stoicism has its similarities with Sufism and it is quite big in Indonesia and Malaysia. But yeah not on the mainstream level. Is the World Great? Cause it really is what our religion asks us to do. Stoic can absolutely be applied with Religions.
Not necessarily and Sufism is deviancy
@@Saber23 is it really deviancy? Deviancy it is then. Good day!
I'm from Jakarta, Indonesia & have that book
is there any english version ?
Great video. You channel inspires people from indonesia to brazil(me). Keep it going, you definetly are making a lot of people live better 👍
Thank you Pedro!
Great content as always!
I soappreciate your work young man
Good eye for the story, appropriate composition. Good job!
At first I heard about stoicism when I saw DR Fahruddin Faiz, an Indonesia Islamic college teacher, in youtube a few month ago. Even though he is an Islamic college teacher, he taught us about philosophy around the world in a very easy way to understand. From there, I bought Filosofi Teras and learn that many stoicism way of thinking are very related on today's problem. As a moslem, I see similarities about guidance how people has to deal with live in my religion and in stoicism.
Thank you for telling a story
Hey, thanks
From your previous videos I have noticed clips depicting Indonesia and the Netherlands.
his recovery from Depression further confirms what i believe of it, that it is more a condition of the mind rather than of chemical imbalances as people like to portray it as.
thank you
I really need to buy this book!
Nice video man. Je klinkt wel goed Nederlands haha, lekker man
Thanks! En ben er trots op ook 😉
Afrikaans is lekker! Nederlands ook!
im waiting for cringy overproud comments
1:10 that poor kitten broke my heart
6:16pm 10-7-24 MON
I am a Muslim and I see many parallels between stoicism and Islam, partly the reason why I enjoy your content so much.
Keep up the great work 👍🏽
I feel like you're Indonesian. Noticed from some videos and here comes this video😊
Friska Pamela he is dutch
He's dutch
@@betos-08 He once replied to a comment in Dutch
@@mahadx4647 maybe his great great grandfather worked for VOC.
@@heristyono4755 hahaha could be🤣
if you want to go places in Jakarta or around, just use Gojek or Grab, it's much faster, cheaper and convenient
I hope he publishes an english translation of his book so we can also read it :)
I read his book and it is amazing
I hope someday someone will write a book on Stoicism in Bengali. Thank you for such a nice documentary.
I'm going to have to ask a friend in Indonesia to mail me a copy of this book!
I knewww it was you on Om Piring's Twitter post! Great!
Hey, it's that book again. I think I have to read it
honestly, i see that stoicism aligns really well with islam. they also encourage to "submit to God" when it comes things that out of control, hold your anger, manage your emotions, even the prayer is a form of meditation.
there's 3 unique things that stoics practice that's literally the same thing what a devout muslim does are,
1. speak less than necessary, and if you can't speak anything good (ex. scolding, dirty words), then try to shut up. This you'll feel more calm because you think rationally, and not a lot of emotions spilled out and spark more anger or any bad negative feelings.
2. Accept whatever happens as a positive thing, is the same, learn something good and think about good outcomes from hardships and suffering.
3. Focus on what you can control, in Islam destiny is a big concept, All humans have predestined moments of their lives, and those things happen for a good reason, and it depends on yourself what you can reflect from it.
You're amazing man :)
How to manage negative emotions. Sir, if you could make a video on on this ... "How to manage negative emotions" with some suggestions, it would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Rajeev.
You’re a good guy! Polity work I would love to invite you to be on my team
Great video .. thank you
love your videos about doomer zoomer
it shares the key insight of stoicism that hits spot on to us, the generation that is hyper sensitive with abundance of info
and apparently you've come all the way to my country too wow, keep up the good work man!
Continue the good work
I am Indonesian, live in Jakarta,
I'm Indonesian and live in Jakarta.
National book seller doesn't always mean that the idea is accepted nationationally, since most of people in here are not keen readers. Moreover, the standard of being called 'best seller' is questionable. 3000 books sold is already called bestseller. Compare to 15 mio people in jakarta only!
Though I (of course) don't mind if stoicism spreads widely in here.
Ha!
Name of the background/ending music?
Loved the video although I don' t think it can be good for the political climate of Indonesia. Stoicism can have a backlash, oversimplified it is the art to not worry about things out of your control, but whatever is out of your control is subjective.
Politics is about cooperation, if you place stoicism into a political climate it can cause people to not care, which can result in ignoring problems or not voting as examples.
The last thing Indonesia needs now is a stoicism. The people need to work together and rise up against the many problems there. Papua stopped their stoicism like thoughts and began to make a change.
Maybe there's a way to neutralize negative thoughts and feelings after all. Even in extremists who suffer from overdoses of them.
Amaziiinggg 😍
Sufism which founded by Rumi is from Islam which is very close to Stoicism. No surprise Indonesia accepting Stoicism. I think this is how religion and ways of living should be passed like the way this author is doing. Not connecting it with any religion not ridiculing any religion just putting it on the table as one new and let them decide. ❤️
Otw gramed*ia .. terimakasih
Glad my people accepts foreign philosophy! I hope we can keep this open mind
Has something to do with the increase in traffic and motorcycle users definitely..
You making movies now boy. Damn
Einzelganger, in your opinion which is the best book to learn stoicism?
Damn. Didn't know Om Piring has a best seller book :O
Will there be an English version of his book?
Philosophy with many faces becomes a doctrine but a philosophy with one face becomes a religion.
Ajarane Kyai Marcus Aurelius pancen nggawe wong luih nerima & loma
Pls read Ryan Holiday
But jakarta traffic as not as bad delhi traffic
I found stoicism on RUclips. Then I found the book :)
Ok
i know that book. but i did not that book becoming national best seller.
Is there a relationship between stoicism in increase EQ (Emotional Quotient) and SQ (Spiritual Quotient)? Can EQ and SQ related in stoicism?
Stoicism teaches Apatheia (complete absence of emotions), not EQ.
In Stoicism you do not need to interpret the emotions of others, because they are irrelevant and beyond your control. Only your own virtue is relevant.
Seneca once recommends to pretend showing emotions, when society requires it or others expect it, but he also cautions against feeling anything internally when pretending so.
I am indonesian
Conditioned to be a Christian, I am now a Buddhist. Buddhism is about you being the problem and the solution to your path. One of the things I found out about humans is that they don't put in enough time or effort to research belief structures. Less angry, violent, stress, jealous of your neighbor, please put more effort into researching the BUDDHA. "EVERY WISH FULFILLED" E.T.
Weird Stoicism was big influence on Christianity in its early development. I do not see what the trouble would be?
The kind of video that should be on the trending list.
isinya prank doang bangsat, udh prank settingan pula
As a devout member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (aka Mormon), I can say that stoicism is very compatible with my religion and religion in general. It would be great if people were more tolerant, even here in America.
Stoicism can be practiced by anyone.
You have to note that there's very few Indonesians who actually read books - and that it's only this very small portion who are interested in stoicism 😂😂
Bruh are you from or live in Indonesia or what? Cause I've binging watching your videos and a lot of Indonesia footages