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Controlling all your entertainment from a single device
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- Опубликовано: 3 сен 2018
- Never before have we had so many options for entertainment at our fingertips, but all of this content is also spread across different devices, apps and streaming services. Grant Imahara will see if our Home of the Future can succeed in bringing all of those into one universal entertainment system.
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What’s been your favorite home entertainment device?
Probably by laptop connected tv
The Verge my phone iPad pro and tv 😂😂
Apple tv
Garden sub system with speakers
The Apple TV has a TV ‘app’ which brings all those streaming services into one place. It would be a much better fit instead of the Roku for that function.
What an awful UI, looks like it was designed by a back-end developer.
Well, I have thought about this and maybe the non-user-friendly UI comes from it not being so wide spread. It doesn't seem like a cheap integration system so not so many people are going for it, of course.
It's basically tech in its youth, where there are lots of hits and misses which can only be solved by spreading it to lots and lots of people who can give feedback about any missing features.
lagacy php backend developer
Exactly.
3:02 Honestly I hate the look of that remote on the ipad. Everytime I want to control something I have to lean on to reach for the tablet on the table. Even if it is detachable it seems heavy and inconvenient. That’s a minus for me
Yeah, dedicated devices will always be the best
We recommend a remote control for any room with a tv. You could use an ipad there or to control the whole home, music and lighting
@@completehomeelectronix4325 Or you could keep everything under one ecosystem. I personally have Google built into every smart device so I can just speak out simple commands, and if there's a time I need a remote I just use my phone which I carry around with me anyways.
@@VRChango as a CI, we have to think about the guest as well as the end user. Your guest may not know all the commands or have ios/android so a remote saves you the home owner from having to change the ch or turn up the volume
@@completehomeelectronix4325 Remote controls are stored in my cabinet it's not like they are disabled. And almost everyone has a smart phone so that would be weird planning around that senereo. I actually have found that ppl who visit my home have fun casting the next song/video from phones sort of let's the guest build up a party playlist. These complicated hubs/controls actually muddy up the user experience. That's why I believe the assistants with companion apps when necessary give the best experience at the moment.
This whole system is so redundant in so many ways it’s ridiculous. I can do everything that this home is setup to do with less than half the devices that they’re using here. Also telling Alexa to tell “home butler” is plain inefficient. You can integrate this is a much smarter way. Maybe you need to hire someone who knows IOT a little better.
Decent try at home automation tho.
I was thinking that too.
Can't a ps4 do everything the roku can?
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do the deaf neighbors come free with the patio sound system?
Thanks for guiding me in the field of design stuff. The world will miss you Grant for being a awesome human being.
I am liking this series but I find myself wanting more technical detail. Also, it would be great to see a version of this home done using open source software for the keen DIYers.
I absolutely love Home Assistant. Brings every platforms in one place. I have my smart TVs, denon receiver, Sony soundbar, chromecasts, smartthings lights, sensors and thermostats, ADT alarm, esp8622 with rgb led strips etc etc etc all centralized through Home Assistant. I can ask either google homes or siri to control stuff, because Home Assistant bridges it all. Finally, the smart home isn't the home you control remotely from one app. The smart home is the home that behaves around you, without you telling it to do so. Obviously Home Assistant does this well too! By the way, its free and open source, and a $35 raspberry pi is enough to get started...
Definitely. Compared to the RTI system showed in the video, Home Assistant is way better.
Hitting a button on a normal remote seems alot easier. This is like paying for more inconvenience.
I'm a huge fan of the honesty in this video series. I'm glad they don't pretend like everything is perfect and point out the draw backs of the things the show off in this series
The smart home of the future looks like it’s for ‘rich’ people.
Not at all. This was just a high end home, but you dont have to rich. We have a package including the processor, 5.1 speaker system, 1stereo zone of aduio, and 3 lighting loads (equipment/install included) starting at $2500. While it's not cheap, it affordable
The cardboard box of the future looks much like the previous generation cardboard box.
@@iiikrowniii keep in mind the average home owner (or integrator for that matter) cant code and the money they would save in material they would pay for in coding or learning to. And no knock against open source, but there is no guarantee of support or funding for the platforms, so they could be gone tomorrow. For someone like you who is clearly talented, and i mean that with the utmost respect, the continuous/meticulous tinkering is probably just as fun as it is rewarding. Btw, all that you mentioned can be done with these systems as many support the same zwave/zigbee protocols and devices. Dont forget this system also includes surround and video processing equipment that cant be fully replicated open source. I dont use RTI, but just from the UI i can tell there are things this video doesnt go into:); its a very understated video
I agree and wish they would display mor what the system can do...unfortunately, tablet and voice control are whats popular right now.
I don't use RTI, but have seen it in homes and businesses, and have only seen whats in this series for this home, so I can only tell what is possible. From what you said earlier, I gather you are using NFC tags, Zwave devices and possibly IFTTT or something similar. I install and work with Total Control, which can integrate all those things. For example, at my home I have an 8x8 4k matrix feeding Roku, PS4, Xbox, and 2 Comcast boxes. I have lighting and shade control via Lutron and Casatunes feeds audio to 4 stereo zones and my backyard. With Total Control, I can pick up a remote, ipad, or use voice control to control everything. Or, depending on which phone walks into a room. what state the room is in (the system knows if the tv is on and watching Comcast, listening to music or off), and the time of day (the system has an astrological clock) 1 of a few different macros will run. For instance, if I walk into the front door at 6 pm and the living room is off, the tv will turn onto my favorite ch, the lights adjust accordingly, and the remote will display my favorites list. If my wife walks into the same scenario, the system will set up the room for her. We also have occupancy sensors from Lutron that control our lighting. If I get up in the middle of the night for a drink of water, the system notices me in the hall and begins to slowly ramp the lights to a low level a second sensor is in place and detects whether I am heading to the kitchen or stairs and continues a path in that direction. When the sensors detect there I am no longer in the room, they ramp the lights back down and off. With Casatunes and Total Control, I can build playlist in Spotify (nothing new) and then have those playlist play on special dates. So I created a playlist of songs from different points of my wife and my relationship and had it play the morning of our anniversary. We use geofencing to turn set our AC, make sure the garage door is open/closed create paths of light. if someone rings my door bell, the display on the remote will flip over to the image from the front door camera. If its going to rain, my system bypasses my sprinklers programming so they wont run in the rain. All of this without me having to touch a button...the next step is Terminators, or machine learning as its called now
But I will say, that open source solutions like Rasberry PI and users drive the innovation of the genre. CI platforms for the most part have long focused on control and pushed "works with your ipad" or "now you only need 1 remote". It was the rise of IOT devices (ironically MS embedded and Linux had more to do with that than either Android, Siri or Alexa) that paved the way for automation. CI lines like RTI, C4, Total Control offer a polish and stability open sourced projects cant (i know that's a generalization) The fact they innovate slower is by design, as they should be easy for any and everyone to use. They also have more control over AV gear typically than an other IOT platforms as that's where they started.
What “smart” home have you designed for poor people?!
Verge Team,
As a recent homeowner, I'm loving the series. Its great to now see the typical Alexa or Google voice commanded home interfaces that you see the majority of the time. Keep the series going and I can't wait to see more.
Any way that you could do a future episode or 2 on rural homes with poor wifi and how to solve some of the issues there?
Thank you,
I'm afraid that all the eps are already recorded(probably). So don't think they'll make one.
BUT I can personally recommend Ubiquiti products! Their wifi acces points are amazing! Feel free to @ me on twitter thibaultmol if you want to know about my experience with them.
DISCLAIMER: i'm not sponsored or payed by Ubiquiti and I do In no way benefit from their sales, I just really like their products and hope other people do so aswell
I agree with +Seth Weiss, Ubiquiti products are great still a fan with there software too. You can also look into adding another phone SIM card to ur wireless phone plan and purchase a WiFi router capable of just plugging in the new SIM card and setting up to run in the house... way better performance gains and a lot more fluid than a cellular pod at mobile provider. You can get creative and get a sim from a prepaid plan too end then just pay monthly or yearly depending on how much data you already use.
Is there a way to find out what outdoor speakers they're using? I can't find a lot of info on stuff like that yet, although I've been looking.
Loving this series
nice try, but nope.
no remote? what is the ipad then? this has been done since tablets came out, using them as "one remote to rule them all". and its a WORSE remote.
all the rest is just hacked. "Alexa, tell home butler to tell XY..." sure, common. Clunky, and nobody will do this outside of the first week. they will throw the ipad on the ground and want their remotes back.
this is for hipsters that are never at home and use their homes as showcase, or the poor wife has to live in this box and go crazy on the unusable interface.
no, its not for nerds, nerds would build their own clunky system on arduino and stuff.
this is, of course, not the future, its an example of our failures with locked in systems and maybe, maybe a lesson on what we have to overcome.
It's also closed source, and $30 a month. If you get a new device or need to edit something you have to call them and wait.
Any idea what music they are playing in the patio sound system demo? It sounds awesome
What kind of cabinet did you hide all the components? And what kind of coasters are those on the coffee table?
Subterranean subwoofer has done it for me i have to say you have outdone yourselves that's my favourite choice.
i've been eyeing different types for bass sound for the living room and outside, i have more than a reason to go ahead and purchase one for my Home -Cinema indoor/outdoor.
RIP Grant.
Thanks for this! It will definitelly help me in the near future :)
Can you start putting the product names on your videos and links below. Would like to know what brand the outdoor speakers and subs
Tablet is awesome, but not ideal in this situation... A more natural solution is using Harmony remotes. They are awesome.
I really love the idea of an integrated house but what worries me is how would you deal with it when something goes wrong what I be able to put the heating on what I be able to switch the lights on or even to lock my doors.
I love this smart home set up that you have. What is an approximate cost of something like this?
That outdoor audio setup is mind-blowing! I wonder how those speakers would hold up after a -40 C winter with snow because I want some.
Look up Sonance Sonarray. We're based out of Houston Tx so i havent installed in anywhere near that cold but, as long as the is warm i wouldnt be surprised if they would work for you
Could probably add some more cardioid speakers around the perimeter of the backyard out of phase with what sound they're picking up at each perimeter location to cancel out the sound leakage further.
Verge is hands down my favourite tech channel😍😍😍
My question is: Why do you have the Roomba from iRobot? Hasn't the Dyson 360 eye come out. Is it because the Roomba easier to incorporate it into the system of connected devices?
that outdoor sound system is so dope!
Rest In Peace Grant Imahara
What speakers or Subwoofer that is used in your garden or landscape?Thks
Rest in peace Grant Imahara!!
I'm curious why a Roku was used instead of a Chromecast? Chromecast's a literally designed to not have a remote, using your phone/tablet to control everything. The only downside I see is you might need to switch the iPad for an Android tablet, and possibly switching from an Echo to Google Home. Both these problems may not actually exist, but would probably be better for the system anyway.
yep, I agree. They do a lot of strange stuff.
Roku's api allows for powerful control from control systems where chromecast doesnt. You can call specific apps from a remote control and, despite what Grant said, play the next episode via voice. You can use the RTI (or any other) system to control volume, input selection and lighting while also controlling the Roku...chromecast is not controllable from remotes etc. Chromecast is great inside an Android ecosphere, but not so much outside of that
that av console is awesome,wher is it from?
We have the Logitech Harmony Companion and it’s been perfect! 👌
I'd go crazy if my neighbours had those speakers outside.
So none of you were paying attention as Grant recorded the audio falloff when he walked away from the house?
I swear people on this series’s thread want to complain about anything without any kind of research. Just amazing.
William Stonerock A) Grant didn’t say it was like walking out of a night club.
B) You didn’t listen to Grant talking about the drop off of the targeted speakers. He said at 7:43 that it’s the optimal experience for the user and their neighbors.
shapeshfters yes we did watch, hence the conversation…
I can hear talking in my house when the window is open rather clearly.
Sound bounces. It’d still be annoying if this was for long amounts of time.
It isn’t silent, just reduced as speakers are directional.
William Stonerock at a certain enough distance it is optimal for everyone. They’re not omnidirectional speakers. Grant talked about the hassle of setting up the directional speakers.
XiXora you didn’t listen to the drop off? It sounded like it would be damn near silent when approaching the neighbors house.
That outdoor audio system is great!
RIP Grant :(
Everything is great until the iPad just dies!
screen get's cracked
That’s right, because remote controllers are immortal, with their AA batteries.
@@shapeshfters I meant like totally broken, considering they removed all the controllers!
Gabriel Perez sorry. I have been very defensive with people that have all the questions and no answers on this video series. My apologies.
just timecapsule OS to another ipad
I'm really sick of places saying the phrase "it should be fun to use". No, it shouldn't. It's a remote control. You don't want people playing with it, you don't want people fiddling with it, you don't want people distracted by it. You want them to pick it up, quickly achieve their intention, and then put it down again. Intuitive is what it needs to be, not "fun".
Liking these longer episodes
I feel like leaning on opensouce software, maybe even hardware, might make some of the UI a little more polished, but the music setup is awesome!
What happens to the house?
Where can I get this desk IPAD mount? Can anyone please
help me?
is there a link on the Audio system????
RTI make some great HYBRID remotes with touchscreen and tactile buttons. These are perfect for TV control. iPad belongs on the wall for music, setting scenes HVAC control etc. Great HONEST review, keep up the great vids!
Cost for the home+ smart home entertainment system install?
That dude looked liked he was about to hulk out when he was talking about remotes.
What brand and type is the subterranean speakers? Can you give the link to it?
Raymond, the outdoor audio system shown in this series is by Episode Speakers. episodespeakers.com/
is that a custom bgm at around 6:19 or is it a real song?
That outdoor sound system is pretty impressive
The more seamless experience exists. Harmony is a far better option, followed and reinforced by IFTTT and Lutron. Harmony has a traditional remote option as well as great iPhone app, doesn’t require an additional wake word like ‘home butler’ and doesn’t require an overpriced visit from a human technician for program updating. Sonos is great.
RIP Grant Imahara
Does this system take into account for more than one user
what they should do is integrate the ipad into the armrest, like the ones that open into a lil cubby space, these could be armrests you open an flip around, an even still offer a lil cubby for the available (optional) remote, as i kind of transition point for the home owner, letting you have both options so you can choose whichever feels more comfortable, at same time allowing for the transition from remote to pad letting you take as long as you need. This would especially be helpful for the more elderly, who aren't as keen to pick up on these tech savvy toys in one foul swoop
Does anyone know where he gets that cabinet in the front room that houses all the equipment?
Looks like Salamander
Bet your neighbours will love the bass speaker vibrating through the ground. This system seems complicated yet limited at the same time.
Somebody forgot to remove the alexa keyword
You can accomplish a similar system for less and have more options using something like openhab. Its becoming my favorite system very quickly. No remotes and no having to add the butler thing this rti system needs.
Watched this yesterday on the website
It's worth noting that half of these companies will likely be bought/out of business/merged in the next 10 years, and simplified significantly. Having a cabinet full of equipment in the living room is analog to the 50's and 60's when computers took up entire rooms. The center of everything still looks like it will be the smartphone, connecting to screens and speakers as services. Each company selling wireless speakers today is really selling the ecosystem, not just speakers. Perhaps this series should be called "The most technical home we can think of today".
Harmony hub and Alexa with IPTV can’t say it’s been easy or smooth sailing so far but there’s a certain satisfaction turning on your tv with your voice.
The RTI app might be great for home control, using it as a remote is ridiculous, a harmony remote is so easy to use while being familiar, you don't have to teach anyone to use it. Also, with harmony you don't have to add the Home Butler to your voice commands.
I hate this idea of protecting people from themselves, removing the remote to stop people from accidently pressing the wrong button. It's just dumbing down the entire system, and removing flexibility. Those buttons have functions which are no longer available to me. Later on he mentions that he doesn't want to redo what sonos has already redone, and thus makes the sonos button available - why redo what the tv manufactures have already done, and remove the tv remote?
i'd feel like i have less control of my tech than ever before.
“At home I have this drawer” “we all have that drawer” dead ahaha
Where is the playbar that pops up sometimes?
Why would the not use an iPad mini or a smaller 7-8 inch android tablet for the main house controller?
Rest easy Grant.
Future, in 720p.
What are you going to do with this house at the end ?
I had no idea that my AC should turn on when I'm watching a movie. I've been missing out all these years.
he is the myth buster guy
yes
yes
Yes. He is.
Grant from White Rabbit and Miss Buster's love those shows
why is this only 720p?
looks so cool and awesome I like it. home innovation through technology
this house is a hacker's playzone
{hackers of the future}
Taha Khan I wanna hack this house
do it.
There are back end security than can help prevent hackers accessing a home (Cujo for example). Many of the products have secure sign in. The CI probably used enterprise network gear which adds security. Not sure if any of that is used here but there are defenses available. Worse case, this home is only more hackable than an average home because of the number of devices in it. In reality, there is tighter network security here
@@completehomeelectronix4325 Maybe but hackers have gotten past sony's security and the CIA. Also 80% of most hack is either social engineering or easy to guess passwords. You can have the greatest security but the human is where it fails.
@@usswat66 im not saying its impossible. Im saying there should be more security than the average home
Why cant there just be a remote so I can only control the tv when other people are using like the ps4 or the other TV
what's this house cost, curious?
A lot of this can be achieved with an Apple TV and some AirPlay 2 enabled speakers. As long as you are bought into the ecosystem, it would also give you a better user experience. For example, just about all the major video and audio streaming services, including news, podcast, and radio services have apps on the App Store. A large majority run on the Apple TV. Then, using AirPlay 2 to Sonos speakers and a HomePod or two will handle the audio. It will also have multi-room support. Furthermore, if you have an iPad or iPhone in addition to the Apple TV, Siri will allow handoff between devices, allowing you to control everything from any of your devices. Lastly, with the upcoming Siri Shortcuts, you will be able to create all kinds of macros to automate what you want from there.
It is not perfect, but it is likely to cost you less, it is more user customisable and I believe might give you a better user experience. The tradeoff would be the lack of Alexa support. That being said, if you shop smart, there is a whole lot of HomeKit enabled smart home tech that would do the job perfectly fine. People complain about Siri, but the truth is that she is great at getting things done within the ecosystem and supported APIs. She is not good at general knowledge or trivia like questions. If you want that, Google is happy to provide you the Google Assistant app for all your iThings.
How much cost of this home
Is this video in 720p?
There’s a problem with the caption, “HDMI” not “HTMI”
I use a Roku Ultra and Chromecast for my smart home TV setup. I only need a tiny remote for Roku and my phone for Chromecast. My Optical Audio out goes to Sonos Playbar and is grouped with 2 Play 1's (someday the sub as well). That iPad looks awful for a UI to use such simple devices. In my next house, I am going to buy a simple 6 zone AMP with RCA inputs and use a few Chromecast audios to cast music to any room in the home. Super affordable and my phone can control all of it.
I use URC, if you are using Alexa you don't need to ask the butler to do it you just use Alexa to turn it on or off and some events hapen automaticaly base on time of day or other actions like walking in to a room or openig a door
A touchscreen to control home media is a great option. As long as you don't use it as a remote, of course..
Nobody found a good solution that mimics the tactile feel for buttons on a touchscreen for when being used to control a screen that is different than the one that is in your view. Several laptop manufacturers tried but it still sucks.
What they should have done is mirror the tv screen to the iPad as soon as you want to control the TV and thus making the iPad a touchscreen TV experience. Also a very sturdy height and angle adjustable stand for the TV's room iPad is necessary so you don't have to hold it with your hands while you try and type with it.
I said the exact same thing about mirroring. The option is literally right in his face; Why does he need to press on a button on a simulated remote, to go left and down, than if he could just press on the option he wants. I think honestly for something like a roku (never had one but im aware of them), I'd prefer an actual remote.
okay . . . . the outside speaker setup is very impressive.
An Echo, a Harmony Home Hub, and your Cell phone can more or less do everything that had at a SIGNIFICANTLY reduced price. You throw in a fire TV cube in place of the Echo and things get even more interesting.
RIP my dude
Can you give us a ball park price all of that cost? Like house, tec, ect. Minus the land cost!
woww... that sound
This is so inefficient. I swear that RTI is bullshit and very badly designed than your usual remote app
why is this ipad different?
7:07 "just the tip" of the subterranean sub-woofer. Im not sure if he made that joke on purpose
I'm a fan of a remote control. Even the Apple TV remote is better than that iPad thingy. That said. Begin with redesigning the interface completely and maybe there might be room for quite big improvements for better usability. And even better, also design new hardware that sits a lot better in the hand than an iPad.
RIP, Grant Imahara. I like some of the features here, but I already feel like Alexa already does a lot of this same stuff combined with a few outlets and my smart tv. And there are a few things I don't see myself ever having... like smart locks. Sure, any lock can be picked... but I prefer not to have a lock that can be picked from Russia or China while they're on their desktop.
Heard of Logitech Harmony? Physical remote for mundane tasks like volume ch up and down pause and play is must. Touch screen is never good option
God Bless your soul Grant I watched every episode of mythbuster and I hope you are in Maker Heaven
Yo I heard that voice and thought "No way..." and I saw him and it WAS!
Music at 6:08?
Here's the thing: if your internet goes out you cannot use any of this stuff. It messes with your mind and you feel like you've slipped into the dark ages. My wifi went out fir 5 mos and I had my lights connected to it and my music. My appletv didn't work--obviously. When I went back to simply turning my lights on with a switch and using a wireless speaker again I was like "What just happened?" I honestly forgot tv is actually free in this country. I did spend a lot of time at Starbucks for wifi.