265. Estrogen For Your Face - Dr. Kelly Casperson & Dr. Ellen Gendler
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- Опубликовано: 19 май 2024
- In this episode, Dr. Ellen Gendler, a New York City dermatologist, discusses the role of estrogen in skincare and hair care. She shares her journey on social media and addresses the stigma of vanity in skincare.
Dr. Gendler emphasizes the importance of using topical estrogen in selected areas of the face and hands, highlighting the need for longer-term studies on its efficacy.
She also recommends incorporating vitamin C and DNA repair enzymes into skincare routines. Additionally, she discusses the differences between prescription tretinoin and over-the-counter retinols, emphasizing the importance of sunscreen in protecting the skin from sun damage.
In this conversation, Dr. Ellen Gendler discusses various topics related to skincare and haircare. She talks about the effectiveness of moisturizers and the impact of alcohol on the skin. She also addresses midlife hair loss and the different treatment options available. Dr. Gendler shares her insights on eyebrow growth and microblading, as well as the use of Botox and fillers.
She provides her perspective on exosomes and peptides in skincare and haircare products. Finally, she emphasizes the importance of using retinoids and sunscreen for healthy skin and discusses the role of dental health in facial aging.
Takeaways
* Moisturizers are not always effective, and alcohol can dehydrate the skin and cause flares of rosacea.
* Midlife hair loss is a common issue, and there are various treatment options available, including spironolactone and minoxidil.
* Microblading can be risky and may lead to scarring, while eyebrow pencils are a safer and cheaper alternative.
* Botox can be a miracle treatment when done correctly, but it should be administered by a trained professional.
* Fillers can enhance facial features, but it's important to choose a skilled injector and avoid permanent fillers.
* Exosomes and peptides in skincare and haircare products are not yet proven to slow down the aging process.
* Retinoids and sunscreen are essential for healthy skin, and dental health plays a role in facial aging.
* It's important to be discerning when it comes to skincare and haircare products and choose what works best for you.
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I am 60. Been using tretinoin, vitamin c and sunscreen for two decades. Last year I added estrogen cream. I mix it with my tretinoin and apply to face at night. Vitamin c and sunscreen in am. It has helped the quality of my skin immensely.
Oh didn't think to add it at night. I use mine after Vitamin C. Maybe I'll switch,
Do you use estriol or estradiol? And do you apply it to face and neck?
I might worry about mixing it with the tretinoin. I know that there are some ingredients in some formulations that should be layered because they may be ineffective if mixed. I'm not saying that what you're doing is wrong, but I don't know if anyone has looked at the the compatibility between tretinoin and estrogen and their delivery vehicles, so if it were me I would layer instead to be on the safe side.
Ok I was afraid to admit that I started using vaginal estrogen cream on my face too. I thought that if it was good down there than it is good up here. This doctor just confirmed my hypothesis
How is it working for you?
Me too I noticed its only 2 weeks I noticed smooth texture of the face
How often do you use it and about how much? Thank you
I have used estriol cream on face for about 2 yrs . I'm now 49 menopause @ 45 ½ :( I am very happy with it. Plus tretinoin several yrs vit c & sunscreen far longer
Additional comment I started retinol eye at 28. In 30s adapalene in 40s low low dose tretinoin. Worked my way up. My dermatologist says no reason for me to go above.5. Said no increase benefit just irritation at 1%.
I got braces in 1973. When I got my retainer, I was told that I had to wear it no matter what, and I did obey. However, my retainer was made poorly and it pushed really hard on one of my front teeth so I got an injured, and now I have a discolored front tooth. It hurt but I was told it was nonnegotiable and I knew that braces hurt when they tightened them but I only had one tooth that hurt and I wasn’t taught to use my mind and speak up when something seemed right. Welcome to the days of “be a good girl.” my bottom piece did not have any teeth pulled and I had a built-in retainer from the inside pushing out for seven years. When they took it off my teeth went back… The tooth that had been Twisted 180° is no longer twisted but it’s crowded.
I guess that tells you that my 1973 orthodontist didn’t have the information he needed to do a good job.
I’m so thankful to find these Doctors- my primary gave me antibiotics and quality of life was awful. Now after a great telemedicine Dr helped me get my life back- now I feel like my old self This youtube channel has been a God send- thanks Dr. Kelly! This was a great podcast - I’m 67
I kept waiting the whole episode and you even asked her if some thing about hair and skin didn’t get addressed, and neither of you mentioned red LED light therapy which is all the rage for both hair and skin. Maybe you can drop a comment here for all of us wondering about this.
I got the mito plus 3.0 about 6 months ago. It does make a difference. One of the best $350 I've ever spent. Consistency is key. I use it 15 minutes at a time, 5 days a week
Wow wow wow! Thank you, Dr Casperson for introducing me to Dr. Gender!❤ This interview was soo packed with amazing information! I’ll definitely be listening to it twice! Keep up the great work!
I use a little bit of my vaginal estradiol on my face in particular areas and top of my hands. Whole body care is important and that includes my face.
Thank you for this video!
What a fantastic guest. Hopefully you’ll have Dr Gender on again.
Awesome show. You are both incredible sources.
Love this! Thanks so much for all you do. Can you please link to the studies Dr. Gendler mentioned?
Absolutely fascinating guest, and so knowledgeable. So much great information in such a short time. And I loved the question about systemic estrogen’s possible role in maintaining our jaw structure. What an interesting idea.
Thank you! Great interview.
Just found your channel. What a wonderful, informative episode!! ❤. Love you both
Certainly surprised that Dr E Gendler did not mention vitamin D deficiency as a (major?) factor in hair loss - and do easy to rectify. Good talk. Will do a deeper dive into my skin care. Have just started using vaginal oestrogen still in my 2 week 'slathering' and will add a touch to my under eyes. Thank you ladies.
Great episode! Dr. Casperson, I absolutely love you!!! You are logical but also evidence-based!!! Don’t stop! 🥰
Great show and so honest! Loved both of you great guest!
Very nice discussion.
Such an interesting guest
great interview love her..........
What a lovely doctor and human. She is so right about teeth aging women. You both have beautiful white teeth which makes you look younger.
That's a really good question and a really good point. I love your show all the points, but I'm at the end of your video right now about the systemic estrogen for the recession of the jaw. I recently was covered for a top teeth partial. I didn't know how big of a difference it would make in my face and my jaw. TMJ I feel like putting out quotes with all these things that seem to improve with Estradiol, huge, run-on sentence, but I will not be covered for the bottom, partial until next year and my face is trying so hard to correct itself evenly lol . I wonder if any of this made sense but I can tell you what does make sense. You are off the hook. I've learned so much and I've only listened to four of your informative videos. So thank you so much for keeping the truth coming😎💗
Drives me nuts when people give off about preservatives. I'm like "so you want to chuck everything out after a few uses?" because that's the reality without preservatives.
Yes your right.
Question about minoxidil for hair growth. Is it true if you stop using the medication once you start, one can expect to experience more hair loss than before starting the regimen. Thank you for all you do to enlighten us in such a challenging life transition. Trying to navigate, embrace and celebrate this phase and Drs like you give me hope! You are the best!
Thoughts on spironolactone & interstitial cystitis? And if prostaglandins have caused hallowing can estrogen under the eyes & tretinoin help? Thoughts on Stem cells in skincare? Loved this episode. Thank you!
I started placing it on my earlobes, which had seemed to thin out and not bounce back after wearing earrings everyday. They have plumped back!
love this conversation, can we talk about why they have put peanut oil in prometrium ? Talking about known allergens. Would love you to talk on this.
We’d appreciate you naming the best foreign sunscreens.
the dna enzyme brands they listed have spfs. they aren’t always cheap but it is the cheapest way to get dna enzymes and you can reduce cancer from forming.
I had permanent retainers put in after my braces were taken off when I was a teenager & I am SHOCKED how many women I talk to 30s-50s haven't heard of that option. Best decision my mother made though I hated it at the time.
Sunday Reilly is another Great Vitamin C
My eyebrows totally fell out during menopause. I used pencil for awhile but it became a pain and they come off if you sweat or go swimming so mine are now nano-bladed. The girl who did them is very experienced and they look natural.
I LOVE you guys
I use my vaginal estrogen cream all over my face daily and I will never stop using it because it works! It is the best face cream ever!
This is a weird side effect but I lost eyelashes where I had major gaps when I used estrogen cream on my face!
just my feedback. I used Plated exosome serum (lower dose) after my facial surgery for 3 mo. They said I had one of the best scars they have seen. Did the rest of my face change…not really but I liked it for scar recovery.
Any thoughts on C60 in skincare??
If you use systemic estrogen doesn't it help all your skin? Because surely transdermal estradiol would go to everywhere? I don't get why not?
I read somewhere that systemic estradiol will be taken up first where it’s most needed in the body and skin may not be a priority. Not sure how true that is, but it did make me decide to put a small portion of my prescription for Oestrogel on my face and back of my hands. My prescription amount pretty much covers half of my body anyway!
Most fda approved doses are low.
Makes sense
It may help your skin, but there are more risks. Best to take estrogen transdermally.
Also thoughts on estriol cream above elbows?
I use Timeless Vit C its fantastic
Putting estriol estradiol cream on your face will give you melasma but you cannot get rid of. I have my before and after photos
What about crepey skin on the arms?
How do we know whether a sunscreen is good? Are there brands to look for?
Yes! Would be great to have had a few recommendations
Cerave and eucerin are great I use the tinted. There is Korean that is great too. Follow Dr Dray on utube ahe. Has so much on sunscreen she is board certified derm. There are so many that is good. But it comes down to what you like and what works for you.
She always recommends La Roche Posay Anthelios uvmune 400, the European version. She says it has the best filters on the market
Not a single mention of melasma from topical estrogen. That's the primary concern I've heard about and its not insignificant.
I keep saying this same thing on every youtube video I watch about estrogen cream. Only one channel has chosen to touch on this topic.
I started using estradiol, very low dose under my eyes, then got carried away, started using it all over my face and forehead & gave me melasma & hyperpigmentation but no wrinkles!!
How long were using it before it produced the hyperpigmentation and melasma?
@@StayGold_Michele About 7 months but at the same time I was also using HRT
Thanks for the information I never took birth control and I'm 55 now. I've been using some estriol on my face for I don't know maybe on and off the pass couple months and I've never had a problem with melasma or hyperpigmentation except for one summer like 12 or 13 years ago I got a little bit of a hyperpigmentation on my cheek when I was water skiing all summer. It went away with my skincare routine, but other than that I use vitamin C and all kinds of other skin care items.... and of course sunscreen daily.. the melasma issue with estrogen is a concern for everyone, though, I suppose.
Is topical estrogen cream recommended for women with melasma? I understand the doctor directs patients to use it only in the under eye region- would that be safe for people with existing hyperpigmentation? I think my understanding is that eyes are the only parts of my face that aren’t discolored😂😢
Holy smokes.. my compound biest/ dhea and progesterone is 240 a month. Am I being over charged ?
Where can we purchase the estrogens for your face please??
I took bio identical, hormone creams, and progesterone pill for 17 years. I had nothing but major constipation and gut issues. Is there anything else I can do? I’ve been offered for a couple of years, but the insomnia is still kinda bad.
People in the US are deficient in antioxidants due to poor diet and processed "foods". This is making more people susceptible to many of these things, particularly free radical damage from the sun.
Age 60. Treated for hormone positive breast cancer on close to my third year on Letrozole. My doctor allows Intrarosa for vaginal atrophy. Is this a no-no for me?
“Snail slime” gave me an allergic reaction almost immediately.
If you're allergic to dust mites whixh many people are you'll have an allergic reaction to it. I have a bad dust mite allergy and didn't know why it was causing a burning rash. Arg!
Where do you buy those dna-repair skincare?
I'd like to know, too
Eta: just got to the part where she mentions brands. I found them online.
search neova, photozymes, priori
Isdin sunscreen has them
What do you doctors think about Sebaceous Hyperplasia? I've learned that only a dermatologist can remove these things and that growth factors can cause it. I was using Perricone's growth factor face cream about 2 1/2 years ago and a year and a half ago I got this sebaceous hyperplasia on the bridge of my nose and nothing will take it away. No amount of Trentinoin, glycolic acid, lactic acid, any acids or exfoliation, nothing, and I'm thinking I'm going to have to see a dermatologist. I checked with my Kaiser dermatologist and they said there's nothing that can be done for that... it's not cancer so it's cosmetic and we're not going to remove it 🙄 PS I use Timeless Skincare Vitamin C with ferulic acid which is said to be comparable to SkinCeuticals and then I use a South Korean sunscreen which is absolutely fantastic, 50 spf., very nice under makeup and inexpensive.
What are the DNA repair enzymes? Where do i buy them?
Do you also have to take progesterone with it if you have your uterus?
I burn through all of the chemical sunscreens I’ve tried. It doesn’t matter if the spf is 30 or 70. I put it on and let it dry before a partially shaded 1 1/2 hour bike ride, and I still burn.
Why won't anyone who is pro-estrogen cream cover how it affects melasma? I trust Dr. Casperson's opinion but she never covers this topic and doesn't interact with her followers so she doesn't answer questions. I won't ever use it until people start addressing this.
I’m that extremely rare person allergic to a preservative. Carbomer is in everything, no one has heard of it but me 🤦🏼♀️
Where can we buy the estrogen cream? Can you buy it online? I would love to know.
....yes, online
I get mine prescribed by my gyno
I found estrogen cream on Amazon
I have an estriol/estradiol cream that I sue a tiny amount on my wrists and inner arms daily in the morning, it has been incredible what a difference it has made (I’m peri menopause still have periods but can be erratic). I’m interested in using it on my face, can I swap from the wrist area to face and still get good enough absorption that it will still do all the other good stuff or is it just for a superficial skin improvement treatment? I don’t want to use more than I do now as it makes me feel odd if I use too much.
Yes.
My body always made too much free testosterone. I had to go on birth control pills. I had to do fertility drugs. That’s what led me into the bioidentical hormones because I was desperately trying to have kids, but they told me I had to stay on it for the rest of my life I got so sick and I had to come off, I guess I was at the wrong point of my life but now I really am scared of getting dementia. Phone loss issues.
What about mouth taping?
I asked my husband to do that at night and it has eliminated the snoring almost completely. I am so happy and I am grateful to sleep all night.
If I use an estriol cream on my face should I use a progesterone cream, too, to help balance it out? I'm low in progesterone but don't have overt symptoms.
You don't have to balance the very low percentage estrogen creams with progesterone. In another podcast, Dr. Kelly explains that one oral HTR pill is the same as a full year worth of vaginal cream.
Please stop interrupting your guest. She knows the answers
I have an estrogen pill to insert. So why not use that if you don’t want the cream?
more risks of stroke, cancer
What is tretinoid?
Tretinoin (rx) or retinoid (otc) = vitamin A for skin.
Can the vaginal estrogen cream be used daily ? Inside and outside of vagina ? Doctor said loading period daily use for 2-4 weeks and then twice per week after. But why not daily ? It’s a moisturizer right ??? Any info please ???
I take it daily on my face, it is with estriol
Thank you for this video. Do you think the supplement Biosil is effective?
Real food like meat, eggs and liver beef are most powerful supplements ❤
I think it's wonderful
It could cause melasma.
You didnt say if the 92 woman who put on estrogen on her face and body for years if she looked younger?
Estrogen is reduced by ultra violet light. This lady is not saying everything
Well, our spirits are definitely broken. Jesus Christ came to bind up the brokenhearted and to redeem us from all brokenness. Our spitball state is corrupted by our sins. Jesus is our propitiation; the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world!!! Hallelujah!
We do our best for our health but we all are passing away. Jesus came that we might have life. He is the way, the truth, and the life. Through Him, only, can we enter into the presence of God.
Please, do not interrupt sooo much.
I can't watch this. Sorry.
You leaping into the conversation with the assumption we all know what the doctor's talk was about. We don't. : (
Snail slime 😂😂
:)
STOP interrupting and over talking your guest!! Good grief
Terrific show. Ive heard good things about DNA repair enzymes. Love the Korean & Japanese sunscreens. Can I order vaginal estrogen on goodrx without a prescription? I'd like to try it. Thank you
I’m a GoodRx gold member. It’s just like a regular pharmacy in that a prescription is required for the pharmacy to fill it. That said, GoodRx does have for-fee telehealth services with physicians that could provide prescriptions but last I checked they don’t prescribe hormones.