Has Gibson ACTUALLY Improved Their Quality?
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I'm a strat guy. I love getting a strat and popping in a Hot Rail in the bridge, or humbucker of my choice if it's routed. But I do love a good Gibson. I ignore the controversies over Gibson. Like any other company their build quality has gone up and down. It sounds like lately they've made corrections on the quality issue. My own experience with Gibson is mixed, but that's just me. I still want an SG someday. It's one of the coolest guitars of all time.
Hey Robert,
I've went off the deep end here since 2019 and purchased 5 Gibbies here LOL! Two were husks I purchased via Stratosphere, an SG Special which is a hair beneath 6 pounds and it plays simply stellar. The other's a Standard which I equipped with a full Bigsby and my third SG is actually a 2017 Standard which was a Sam Ash run they had, they're white with the smaller pick guard, very nice axes.
I also purchased me a brand new Les Paul Standard via Sweetwater when I retired 2 years ago as a gift to myself for not committing murder at the work place after 34 years ahah! Last but not least one more LP Special with the 50's style chunky neck, that one is a 2021.
I can honestly say each and every one of these guitars play out of this world, very low action, beautiful sound yada, yada, yada... All I can say is either I got real lucky 5 times in a row here or they have indeed upped their game.
I likfe Fender style guitars too and I have a handful of Warmoth creations here and they're all nice but I just love the Gibson's 🤟
If anyone reading this is on the fence about one, I'd certainly recommend pulling the trigger. Before they get sold off again and go back to their older ways LOL! ( Hopefully Not! ).
Thanks Robert.. Last month I purchased a Gibson Les Paul TV Special the price normally is $1799..however this one was labeled New with a minor blemish..thru Zzounds one sale at $1325..I grabbed it without even thinking about it..upon receiving it I couldn’t find the blemish..what I did find was what appeared to be some slight paint build up on the neck heal..where it joins the body, I think ..I called up Zzounds and told them how pleased I was and that I actually couldn’t find the minor blemish. They said that’s not unusual.. this is my 10th/12th Gibson and I’ve been playing since 67’..I know poor quality as I’ve owned two Norlin Era Lester’s..Today’s Gibsons are well built and get the job done!! Thanks Robert
I've got a Gibson SG Robot that the previous owner had removed all the robot parts. Great guitar, output jack is also on the side of the body instead on top which is a massive improvement in my opinion. 2nd hand gibsons are where its at personally
Good video, Robert. The fact is that someone probably most people, will come back and lie about testing out their favorite guitars, but you can’t stop that can you. As you know, I have several Gibson guitars, maybe not as many as you lol, and I love everyone of them. My favorite one is one where they messed up the finish and did not put Heritage Cherry on the Heritage Cherry Guitar, which means it is just the basecoat yellow. I love it and I play it all the time. One of the guitars that you were involved with at Guitar Center was my flying V2 70s model with the wrong pick ups. They had the 70s pick ups in it instead of the ones that were made for Guitar Center exclusive. I wanted a mirrored pet guard and the 70s pick ups so it worked out for the best for me. Sometimes those are happy accidents.
I have had Gibson guitars since 1980 and I have not had a single headstock break, knock on wood. That said, you hear about all these people who say they had their headstock broken. I can’t confirm, nor deny their claims, and I can see it with pros, who have their guitars handled by themselves, and other people who may not be careful , but if you’re keeping it on a decent stand and not getting drunk or high and handling a guitar, you find deer, you probably won’t drop it. I’m using Siri so she may not be typing everything properly. Anyway, I will take you up on that and go to Guitar Center tomorrow and check out some guitars and report back as to what I find. Most of the time I find the Guitar Center is not exactly careful about hanging them, and you get hangar rash under the headstock.
I've broken three head stocks actually four, none of them Gibson's. Lol.
Well said, Jim. Though, I think your Gibson collection does, indeed, exceed mine. Of all my guitars, only 4 are Gibsons.
First time Gibson owner as of 1 and a half months ago.
My Dad passed away.
Something about life being short, and a bit of wanting to distract myself.
Anyhow, this guitar is all I ever wanted it to be.
A 2019 Standard 50's, tobacco burst.
The pups didnt do it for me, but that isnt really any fault against them, I am particular with the sounds I'm seeking.
I love that it's an 800 lb. Shoulder breaker.
All there.
Ready for armageddon.
I put in a Seymour Duncan BLACK WINTER and a DiMarzio GRAVITY STORM.
It is my realization after half a life time of fantasy concerning such a creation.
Glad I got a good one.
( I tell myself to get down and enjoy it, not to be too precious, if I hurt it I can always get another. Even though I cant....)
Sorry about your pops and its awesome that you are enjoying your Gibson they made some amazing instruments. The pickup setup you put in sounds amazing.
Even with their flaws, Gibson is my go-to guitar company. It's one of those things that's hard to explain.
I special ordered a Les Paul Custom, Tobacco Burst with a "plus" top around 96. Paid $2300 for it. I still have it.
My most recent Gibson purchase was a "figured" ES335. As with all my new guitars, it went straight to my guitar tech. Many of them I don't even bother to play first. And yes, I purchased it from Sweetwater. My tech was actually impressed with the build quality of the 335. He's also a Gibson "guy". He builds high end acoustics and has just stared a line of electrics.
I appreciate all the great information, Robert.
Thank you!
I currently own two Gibsons; a 2020 Standard 50's Gold Top and a 2002 Standard Plus. Both are very well crafted guitars, but I'm selling the '02 because I'd have to gut it before it was up to par with the Gold Top. The pickups, electronics and the bridge piece all pale in comparison to what Gibson is putting in their Standards now.
As for the complaints about pricing, any inflation comparison website will show that a modern run-of-the-mill Gibson doesn't differ much in price to what they sold for back in the 50s. The sad fact is the average living wage does not scale to match inflation. They're not getting too expensive, the majority of us are getting shortchanged by that wage to inflation gap and that gap gets wider every year. Anyone who says guitars are overpriced should look at their grocery receipts and paychecks sometime and compare those to what they were 10-20 years ago.
I've crapped on Gibson for my 32+years of playing. Never understood them after trying 50+ in my life. After almost a year of research, I ordered a USA Greeny from Reverb last October 2023. It's darn near immaculate. Plays, sounds, and looks stunning. I've been eating crow ever since. Props to Gibson for really turning it around.
Having said that, I'll still bust up laughing every time I see that Reverse V they made 😂
just bought a 2024 SG standard 61 in translucent teal. guitar is phenomenal.
My 2020 SG special is the finest guitar I've ever had. I'm 63 and I play professionally. I have lots of guitars of many different brands.
Awesome video! I can't even afford Epiphone, so my opinion really isn't valid, but Gibson and Fender can take a hike. Way better brands out there that actually care about their customers, and have customer service, and no built in obselecence.
Thanks for making this video! I've come to realize (even seen it already in the comments below) that most of the Gibson "trashers" have never even played one. I only own one Gibson.. a 2019 V.. no complaints.. by far my favorite guitar to sit down and jam with.
Great topic Robert Jackson! I have bought several Gibsons built from 2019 to 2023,all have been spot on.That does not mean they don't have a turd in the mix...but, overall the QC has really improved........👍👍👍👍👍👍Love those Gibsons
I assume the ones that get sent back end up in the Reverb Demo Shop or reworked for the Mod Collection.
At 2:53, that guitar looks like a Teisco "Tulip" model in a fashion. I had one of them. People laugh, but for a beginner it was sufficient.
I've played many Gibson Les Pauls since late 2019 and they're all been just about as good as can be. I bought a 2021 Gibson Les Paul Standard 50's model and a 2022 Gibson Les Paul Standard 60's model in the last few years. I'm a Gibson guy as well and agree they went through some rough times. However, these two Les Pauls are my go to gigging guitars since buying them. I own 4 other Gibson Les Pauls and 4 other Gibson Flying V's and these new Les Pauls are just the best guitars I've ever played, right off the shelf (50's) and right out of the box (60's). I didn't have to do a setup (as I usually do) on either.
That white Les Paul is sweet if money was no object that would be the one I'd get
Great video. I own a 2023 Les Paul Standard 60's that I got from Sweetwater, and to me, it's absolutely flawless. No quality issues at all. And of course I had to set it up to my liking, but I do that with any brand guitar.
I am actively looking for one more Gibson my nearest GC is a hundred miles away so I plan a long distance trip to their big store in Tennessee
Yes they have in some regards . I recently got in trade a 21 Standard . After upgrading the wiring to Emerson caps and bumblebees (personal preference I strongly suggest ) , I would put it up against their previous custom shop stuff . But … I recently got a 21 Adam Jones . It’s ok now . But it came with two high frets . And the weirdest part .. it’s a 10 inch radius with an alternate (light and resonate ) bridge .. no it’s not a fake .. but it’s weird . I got it sorted via my tech and actually prefer the 10 radius .. overall , I think they have
I grew-up around a lot of Gibson guitars. My dad was a player/collector & was most definitely a Gibson man.
He had good ones & bad ones … every company does.
His ‘62 Les Paul (SG) was the nicest playing guitar I’ve ever had my hands on, but his 2012 Les Paul Standard was an expensive & unplayable chunk of yuck.
My cousin stole that SG. 🥺
You and I argued over your opinion of the quality of the EVH Frankie in which you never proved your point. But I agree with everything you said about Gibson guitars. I too am a Gibson guy and have seen the improvements.
I don’t recall the point in question, much less not proving it (or at least supporting my argument), but I’m glad you agree about Gibsons.
20 to 30% rejection rate found by one of their main retailers is appalling, no company that hopes to survive should accept that failure rate in their quality and manufacturing processes.
Les Paul custom in Australia..$8,000..😮
Man I honestly wouldn't know about Gibson issues, they are always up to high or locked up! Anything under a grand I can pick up, Epiphone and Squire have improved quite a bit.
I'm probably the exception to this but I've never had an issue with Gibson in over 40 years.....👍
To me, a new owner of a Les Paul jr, my thoughts after watching how Gibson operates their factory is; How can there not be minor flaws in that many guitars with that many human hands involved with the production? My Junior, has as far as I can see, so far a tiny little dent in the fretboard's first fret area around the bottom side, ( like a fine point pen tip). Nothing that stops me from playing or is noticeable unless you are fine tooth combing it. My first day with it I put more flaws in the guitar's finish than that plus 100. I baby my stuff, but handling a less than 2 month old Nitro finish is at another level of babying. The guitar is awesome, and set up great from the factory, ( being a lefty with backordered models, this was the first place I found a new one after looking for months). To me, the Junior is still priced in the big 2 American made reasonable price range and with inflation going crazy, the price has only gone up $100 since the new Juniors were produced. Lets face it, Asian products are going to out perform American made products in price and QC most times. There is a different culture and expectation of the low paid, ( yes I said it) factory worker in China and other countries making guitars. Can anybody say that a Gibson made 50 years ago or more didn't have some build issues? Can we assume that only the "keepers" are being traded and sold these days? When I saw the production number of my guitar, and watched the factory videos, I am kind of shocked at how many guitars they pump out. They actually sell that many a year? I do not plan to go down the Gibson rabbit hole of guitars, but I love my Junior so far as a P90 companion to my Telecasters. I love it's tone. Pure rock that I was looking for to fill a missing piece without the complication and weight of a Les Paul with Humbuckers, (My Junior weighs 7.1 oz).
My hope for Americana and home made products, is that Gibson stays true to their roots in at least half their models, and the cork sniffers who want to impress their friends can grab their cocktail hour conversation piece with an appropriately priced model.
Just bought a lefty Junior after buying an Epi LP Special last year, the Gibson is a cut above the Epi and is IMO worth the extra money.
@@markmcdonald5711 Great guitar for sure. Have fun!
I have 2016 g memphis 335, nothing wrong with that guitar,
I got a Tribute last year which was very good, sounds a lot like my Epi LP :O....regardless, it was in good shape. YMWV ....I think Agnesi got screwed by the whole authentic issue. I expect guitars to need a little fret dressng, adjustments, and tuning.
I think your right on Robert. I'm not a fanboy but I do love Gibson guitars. I remember just how bad they were for many years, but I purchased one of the Adam Jones standards in 2022 and I honestly couldn't be happier with it! Plays and sounds perfect and I can't find any fit or finish issues at all. I still believe they're overpriced but damn, there's something special about playing a Les Paul!!!!
Wow! I feel kinda famous now. 🎉
Congrats! LOL
Well the new Mesa built Falcon amps are not built to last what with their Chinese subcomponents and PCB mounted tubes. They sure cost a lot though! Go Patriots
$5,799 What in the...
They were $3299 when you and I were at the store together in 2008. LOL
Way back in the day when the Floyd Rose was still a 'new fangled' concept we used to go play Explorers, Flying V's, and 335's at a big music store a few towns away because nobody else around us had much more than a LP or two in stock. The price points were $1200-1500 back then and that was enough to buy a decent used car so we loved jamming on the 'real deal' but never thought it would make sense to spend that much on a guitar. Now I think it just doesn't make sense to spend that on a Gibson
I somehow doubt it!!!
Robert, how dare you?
Love,
For me there are just way too many options to get what Gibson does for much less and the only way I will own another one is to find a steal for whatever reason cosmetic issues or a not sought after model. There are a lot of used Gibson Les Paul in the sub $1000 range and for the new stuff I have had my hands on a few nice guitars from the 2020's and agree they are much better at QC than they were a few years ago.
Understandable, but this isn’t about their price point. It’s about whether or not they have improved their quality control. Regardless of what somebody may have paid for it, is it a good guitar? Yes or no?
@@RobertWJackson I get you and my answer is no. The QC is better but not good enough they still struggle with matching tops on bursts and many of the stock pickups are not great. In 2024 any name brand has the tech to finish a guitar well so for me Gibson is back on track but not in any way leading the pack
Ok. I’ll try somewhere else.
🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Still waiting for it….
Was waiting for the whole "stock" thing. Dont remember what they called it. Where they sold ownership of a VERY expensive/famous guitar via a atock type thing. You sont get the guitar, they can still sell it and then your s.o.l. but you can give Gibson money for......something. what was that thing?
Umm……WHAT??? LOL
@@RobertWJackson Do not tell me you never knew of this...
@@RobertWJackson it was in partnership with rally. Investing in 3 prototype guitars..kdh did a vid a few years ago.
@@leviathan_is_me I never knew of this because I’m pretty sure this wasn’t a thing. Gibson grifting people for part ownership of a famous guitar that they’re never going to ACTUALLY own? What collector that has THAT kind of money would be dumb enough to make an investment like that? This doesn’t even make sense. I’m gonna need some proof that this actually existed. I’ve been selling Gibsons for over 15 years, and I’ve NEVER heard of this.
@@RobertWJackson k. Guitar world Sept. 2 2021 Jackson Maxwell did an article on 3 Gibson prototypes they say are worth tens of thousands. People buy shares in them which raise and fall etc. no one gets the guitar. They simply own basically stock in it. It was a bad idea. It won't let me post the actual article. KDH and many others made videos about this as well if you wanna check it out. It wasn't a "grift" as much as a really bad idea. Shares were $5 to $10 a share. Slash double neck, Iommi monkey, and Jones LP. They were valued at $65,000 to $95,000 and where kept by Gibson. They ended up saying that the guitars could be bought by someone and the shares would then be voided, I believe...either way...no.
EDIT: the shares were set at those very high prices, so unless the guitars rose dramatically (and given the est. value Gibson started at...) the shares didn't move...I am not a stock person (obviously) so not 100% on how it all worked, I just know it did, in fact, not work.
I believe Gibson has nothing to offer. The reissues and all the other crap isnt my cup of tea. The fact that this is a conversation states volumes.
"go fuck yourselves" lol!!
If Gibson can sell they're guitars for the kind of $ they command and people want to spend that kind of $ on them, well more power to seller and buyer. Things are after all worth what people are willing to pay for them.
For myself, the Gibson mystique has lost its Jedi mind trick powers. I'm quite happy with the alternatives, like a double cutaway Ibanez... Ah.... And I don't have to get a guitar center employee to unlock them for a trial run.
I don’t really believe the opinions. How can that many people have a valid opinion, like they’ve played so many Gibsons to know what they’re talking about? I think it’s more people repeating what they read online or saw on a video than there being thousands of poorly made Gibsons in every city across America
I would not go to Guitar Center to try a guitar out. They hire every knuckle dragging young punk to work there. Every time I try out a guitar there it plays, feels and sounds like crap. No matter the price point.
Best guitar I ever had was a GIBSON I got at Guitar Center, I recently sold it because I needed money for drugs.
Sold my record collection for the same reason, wax for wax!
@@SH-fm5euif you sold a guitar for THC that's sad.
@@216trixie it was a record collection not a guitar and it was a joke! I realize you may not be old enough to remember vinyl 33 rpm records/albums being referred to as wax and thus the joke would go over your head.
@@SH-fm5eu Oops I didn’t read it carefully. And I imagine I am older than you are. Yes I have a vinyl collection for decades.
That tracks…
Gibson. Headstock snobbery. Living on rep from a bygone era. Hope their QC has improved, but i won't be buying to find out. Fret markers on my 2016 sg and 2018 have popped up from the board and i had to recut my own nut for the LP. They don't want to know. i accept your comment about time in the box, but i have $200 guitars from folks like Harley Benton which whilst not top quality materials, still have better workmanship. Sad really.
Apparently not….
HERITAGE FTW
Great guitars, but has absolutely NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. 🤦🏻♂️
For all the clickbait heat Gibson gets, some of it is deserved. Every guitar player dreams about owning a genuine Gibson. Other guitar companies might make some excellent guitars, but Gibson created legendary guitars.
I have never wanted a Gibson. Been playing for almost 30 years.
They did and a ton of the music I connect with was created using Gibsons but I find you can get those tones in lots of places at better prices.
Do you ever actually answer the “Quality” question?
#butthurt
Has Gibson ACTUALLY Improved Their Quality?
No.
but some Gibson fans still think its Gods gift to mankind.
YEAH>>THEY HAVE KEPT THEIR NAMES OUT OF THE PUBLICS MOUTH>>>EXCEPT FOR SUING EVERYONE!!!!! NOT ONE GOOD GUITAR BUT MANY LAWSUIT^S>>>SO SCREW YOU DUDE>>>YOU ARE WRONG
Agree. You can’t expect an increase in quality when you pay your lawyers more than your luthiers.
Both my Gibsons are way better than any of my Fenders, my prs and any of my others. So you are wrong in saying not one good guitar. Never had a bad one. What they do on a corporate level in order to protect their brand and their original designs is none of my business (or yours). But, at the moment, there are hundreds of cheaper brands making a killing out of their intellectual property and threatening their downfall, so I'll reserve my judgement and not shout about it capital letters
Defend a company that moved operations to Nashville to minimize labor costs and take advantage of cheap southern blacks...then took all reasoning off the table and RAISED prices when they were failing and after all that screws their customers out of quality and takes the piss out of the frets before EVERY guitar leaves the factory and after all this they top it off with manipulative internet tactics...like YOU are probably a Gibson employee masquerading as a you tube commenter...(trust me...go tot the Gibson forum and make ANY comment about the quality...ISTA BAN>>>they are NOT a good company unless you count good at propaganda and lies and litigation (making money off their intellectual property...they CLAIM EVERYTHING>>>SINGLE CUTS were at the heart of their bullshit...THANK GOD they FINALLY PUT A STOP TO THAT>>>and their headstock is shit...I dont know WHY ANYONE has a cow over that.)..SHIT FOR QULAITY>>AND THAT DESERVES ALL CAPS YOU MORON!!!!!@@user-vv7lp9nn6y
Well, they WON their lawsuit against Dean, so…
Who gives two shits...they won a lawsuit and LOST ALL THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE INSTEAD OF FIGURING OUT QC THEY FIGURED OUT LEGALEZE>>>>YAY ASSHOLE >>>GREAT POINT!!!!@@RobertWJackson
Total junk