There's some screwed up audio at 4:31 and 6:22. The original video had a track from Radwimps in it that was somehow fine at the time, but not now. I don't have the original files from that video, so I've had to use RUclips's song removal service to get rid of it, but it's mostly just made it really low quality. Sorry about that!
@@omega2599 Looks I'm not the only one. I'd actually like for Canipa to cover the behind the scenes part of it, and it was primarily outsourced to studio Voln so MAPPA in house animators/CGI artists could just work on AOT, JJK, and chainsaw man.
@@SirEvilestDeath It's not something that was an issue 4 years ago, but Radwimps are claiming it now. I don't have the original voice lines anymore, so this is the best I could do.
The problem with every industry is that they want to eat their cake and have it too. They want to have all of the money without having to give any of it away. The producers want to have all the shows made and they will sacrifice everyone to fill their pockets.
ah reminds me when i know biple and nft and wondering it might help aritst... now i hate nft so much and hope it die... since its attract money laundring and wrong people that rip off artist to make their own nft...
Kyoto Animation top tier goat, all indoor staff not any external help, humane staff practices, paid with a salary not per frame. Even own Animation University to help new comers to join after graduation.
I had the opportunity to work on an anime in late 2020 and I jumped at the opportunity. It was chaotic and grueling, and I got paid very little for my work. I have no idea how people manage that full-time and live.
Just a little feedback for the video: since you used only one "camera" for this rather than a more "react" setup it gets pretty unnatural to read what's going on sometimes, especially for ppl who haven't seen/ don't remember the first video.
Yeah, as soon as this got to the part about hiring international animators, I knew it was gonna mention them just picking people off twitter and using them for crunch. Crazy seeing animators credited by their twitter @ rather than actual name.
That is disheartening. In Japan you might not get your actual name on what you worked on (because of overworked/lazy DAs), meanwhile in Europe you get your name on movies you've never worked on so that your studios can get more subventions.
As someone working in European animation, even here movies have a bad tendency to be under-budgeted, and things are not improving. Streaming service money is nice, but as you said they care more about their catalog than quality, they simply follow the general tendency of giving less cash to studios for their projects. European animation only survives thanks to subventions from countries, but those subventions are often locked behind nonsensical rules or aren't nearly enough, so every studio "cheat" as much as they can to stay alive. I'd like European production to use more private investments and consider more merchandising as a way to break their dependence. So yeah, seeing how things aren't getting better in Europe (which is a much better work environment overall) I wouldn't expect things to get better in Japan anytime soon.
@@aadas6322 Because, in my own experience, it had no impact whatsoever. We've kept working through the fourth wave in person as usual, just like our partners did. The biggest impact of COVID was actually during the first waves where we had to work from home for a long time (which went fairly well overall, but it impacted some productions causing delays).
That's interesting. I haven't seen much of European animation. Though I did see some paint-on-glass animation that was worked on, from movies like Loving Vincent and The Old Man and the Sea.
Japan animation worked so far cause the demand = pay&resources until it go international and fucked the balance Ah japan Always a master at home territory but become a rookie once it goes international
@@satoriakihiro1283 Hum no, the issue with pay has nothing to do with that (why would more demand translate into less cash in the first place?). That issue has been around since the inception of TV Japanese animation, it's even a talking point among older Japanese animators that you have to be fast enough to be able to earn enough to eat and then worry about making good stuff. It's been around for decades, but it's never been addressed properly.
2017 Canipa: Put yourself out there, make what you love, and you can get in the anime industry! 2021 Canipa: Don't get in the anime industry, it'll treat you horribly, you'll get burnout, and you'll be put through crunch that will kill your passion.
I'm curious to see you discuss League of Legends's Arcane. I've seen a few Twitter comments from animators stating that Riot must've dumped tremendous amounts of money at it because all the little visual flourishes and details in the animation meant that the animators had the time and budget to add it all in
@@Voxet1 Nope, it was Studio Fortiche, one of the French animation studios that Canipa mentioned in the original video. They've collaborated with Riot before, but I would be very reticent to call it "in-house"
@@RocketSlug Yup. They've had their own house style that they've been developing for a while outside of their collaborations with Riot. Riot artists were still a big part of developing the look, but Fortiche deserves the lion's share of the credit IMO.
It's not an anime industry problem but a japanese work culture problem that makes it a problem for every industry in general in japan. Long hours, low pay and toxic workplace is what you get so rethink your "I want to work in japan" once again. That Indonesian animator got the taste of it
I love Anime because I love Animation. It's not about the style, it's about the sheer creativity and beauty behind these labors of love by the creators. But I hate the Anime Industry as it is. Because I love Animation, and the work of these creators, I hate seeing these creators being mistreated, being taken advantage of or treated as numbers. Each Animator deserves respect, because seconds of animation, can take hours of their life. The Internet has made it so easy to endlessly consume content, that we often make the mistake of asking for more, when we should learn to appreciate what has come before and what is already here. I'd rather wait a couple years in between seasons, if it meant the creators were rested and paid well. Besides, the better Animators are treated, the better it will be for consumers in the long run, as more talent will be attracted to the industry. You don't go to a fancy restaurant, complain your meal is taking too long to make, scream when the proportions weren't as big as you'd like, and still expect luxury service. It just doesn't happen. You want your food quickly or cheaply? You go to a fast food place and get an unhealthy and greasy meal. You want a lot of it? Go to a buffet, where they offer a little of everything and as much as you want, yet it's all just kind of bland, overcooked or flavorless. But if you want a good, memorable meal, you have to pay for it, with time, money, and often you won't get a whole lot of it.
It's nice to have more youtubers adressing this issue. Unhealthy outsourcing and exploitation must be fighted for better content, I don't mind waiting more time.
I've stop watching as much anime as before, now i read mostly Manga, Webtoon, Novels and light novel. I keep watching anime that looks good or of the stories is compelling but it's just 1 or 2 per month, the quantity is killing the quality so i just dropped most of them
I'm a "beginner animator" (not making it my career, just as a hobby). If anyone is striving for animation, I will say that it takes patience, time, and work, but it is possible, so I'd say just do it. I recommend checking out some anime (by youtubers/one-person teams) if you're interested: Senpai Club, Hikari~be my light, Clockwork Hero, Ninja Ronin.
Kyoto Animation is only studio I’ll rewatch all the anime shows to see the quality of detail. I’ve got 173GB worth of it on my phone. I’m a fan but not that obsessed.
I feel like the industry has no middle ground. There are amazing things bein put out each season. But just as there are amazing things that are put out each season, just as much or even more bullshit and insanity that is put out or found out each season. Jujutsu Kaisen is one of the best examples. An amazing anime that showed just how flawed MAPPA really is. Hell 86 is going through hell right now due to aniplex wanting it finished and yet it is still one of the best shows of the year. I also love the penguin avatar
@@Knoloaify And it's mostly on Aniplex. A-1 aren't the ones at fault here. Remember this show was supposed to air last fall. It also may have been in 1 cour instead of two Thankfully the delay this week was one that was already planned from the start (There is an event this week)
One of my friends who has worked in the industry told me to not take work if I am offered it bc I am not ready. It would be bad bc I would get a lot of corrections and if it was really bad, would get blacklisted from the industry.
Animator deserves better, regardless of geographical origin. If anime studios earn so much from streaming services, why couldn’t they increase the wage for their animators, the same people who brought their animated series/movie to life? What’s stopping them from doing that? No wonder MAPPA has the most hellish workplace as an anime studio. Too many productions, too little pay.
Because of the fact that the money isn’t there. The money both for the production of an anime is given beforehand. Most studio, with the exception of studios such as kyoani and ufotable, dont get money from streaming services and merchandise, so now consider the fact that there must be an increase of about 5000$ per year per person to make things worthwhile and the fact that there are often hundreds of animators, do you think that 500000$ could just be pulled out of their ass ?
@@snowhunter7536 Well, when i said beforehand, i am not talking about wages. You see, before they make the anime, they ensemble a committee, or just investors, they are the one who pay for all of the anime’s expense, from getting it on TV to making merchandise. The studio receives money from those investors to make the anime, that money is used to do anything from being wage for animators to getting VAs to voice. When the anime is on air, the committee get all of the money from the anime so there wouldn’t any leftover to give to the animators. However, this is actually fair, since those investors took huge risks by investing in the anime, if the anime fails, the studio won’t lose anything while the committee might lose a lot. So there are two main reasons why animators wages are low. Firstly, because animators only take up a small and replaceable part of the anime process. The one that made the anime so beautiful are often the director and the storyboard maker, being an animators is essentially just drawing with a pre-made mold, the designing process is always harder and therefore paid much more than the task that most could do. They also dont have the same marketing power as voice actors, so there are essentially no competition driving the wage up. This fact is proven by the fact that not all animators get paid badly, only in-betweener and outsourcer are paid badly since they even have to do even less in the grand scheme of things. Secondly, because they and the studio don’t take risk. Animators are workers, they don’t take risk so they aren’t entitled to the reward that was harvested because of the risk that others took. Some studio actually take risk, such as kyoani, ufo and recently mappa, as they are now becoming their own committee, so they often have much more money thus pay their animators much more handsomely.
@@sonhoangleminh1119 to put it shortly, the wage system depends upon the investment from committees, even though I’ve never been aware that there are such since. What I’m aware of is that animation studios have executive higher ups such as in the case of Walt Disney Animation Studios being handled by the Walt Disney Company, or in Japan, that would be ShoPro responsible for studios like OLM.
It's more a case of uniformity. The gaming industry has many cases of abuse and people being underpaid that we hear about a lot. With anime, these issues are prevalent across almost every anime studio. It's not like it should be a pissing contest, but it's important to recognize that Japan doesn't really have a Jason Schreier-type for whom industry workers feel they can confide in, and the media is too often subservient to the companies they cover.
rates for foreigners in Japan are abysmal. Tried to look for remote English teaching there, they paid like $8 per hour and you had to receive your pay via paypal. You know? ensuring what you live on to eat could get locked cause you moved money somewhere and were assumed to be a launderer just cause you want to get the money you were paid fairly.
Fantastic video as always man, I'd love to see you talk about Arcane! Also you brought up Castlevania, which is the EXACT sort of anime I want to see more.
Animators should hace less shows and produce more Quality shows. Look at one punch man and Demon Slayer. I really think that great part of their success is because of the Quality of animation
You can tell that Netflix picks up more “edgy show” as the while production wise the castlevania show is great it doesn’t stick to the source material and makes a lot of things really weird
Netflix more or less culturally appropriated the term Anime.... and I dont really like that they did. Cause it lowers value in Western Animation. And they are more or less using as a brand to either get people to watch or claim shit as that even if its not. ...its the most straight example of this shit in a long time. It dont help everyone working with Netflix on Animation Portion seems to not enjoy what they are doing especially the Japanese Side...
Netflix anime has been an absolute disaster. If Sol Levante is their vision of the future of anime, I would hope they just stay out of it. I am not, of course, talking about stuff like CastleVania, which had at least two good seasons, or Dota: Dragons Blood, which got off to a great start. On the whole, though, it is clear Netflix wants to turn anime into, well, *Netflix,* which is usually garbage.
What can be done to support the anime industry as a fan? I have seen videos saying to donate to studios directly on Patreon. Anything else? I feel like we get so much content only because animators are paid so poorly and soon the bubble will burst.
That's perhaps the most depressing part. There are animators who accept donations individually, but a lot of the animators getting paid the least are the ones you've never heard of. I'm not totally confident about donating to studios either. There are definitely those that invest in their team and buying from the KyoAni store will always be a net good, but I have little confidence in Trigger's Patreon, for instance.
It's sad that SDS quality has dropped so much in later seasons, but at the same time... at least it's a complete story that we can enjoy. What I hate the most about the anime industry, is that most of the shows atm are adaptations, and that most of them will probably cover only a fraction of the entire story. How can you even call it a show? It's a commercial. It's so annoying. Lately, I wasn't watching almost any anime because of that. I'm so tired of watching these 12 episode prologues, and of getting attached to characters only to never find out what will happen to them. This is why this industry feels broken to me.
Not just that, but there aren’t enough good unique shows that can stand in the test of time. Instead, it’s just your usually the typical isekai show that can get a quick buck
@@jjdilla9848 Outside of your isekai show, you are getting some pretty good shonens. Attack on Titan, Juju, Jutjutsu Kaisen, Mob Pyscho. Those will stand the test of time and have proven to do so.
@@jjdilla9848 Hahah just been rewatching Cowboy Bebop, Wolf's Rain and Macross Plus. So, if those shows listed above are good shows, it sounds like I've really missed nothing in the last twenty years?!
@@jjdilla9848 every season there are way more animes than just the generic isekai, you just have to search and filter them🤷🏼♂️ Sonny Boy for example, it is totally original and it was *simply magnific, one of the best anime this year and one of the best original anime I have watched imo.* Sonny Boy even turned into one of my most favorite animes, very underrated though...
I'm a little late to this video but I just want to say thanks for making this video. Positivity is always good but its just as important to cast an unflinching eye over the ugly truths of reality. It was really interesting to get retrospective over the impact that the globalization of the anime industry has had.
The average consumer doesn't know how much work it takes to produce a single episode of an average show. I asked my brothers and they naively answered "a few hours of work or half a day at max", the one laughs and says "Are you crazy? It is at least a week to produce it!". Then I said to both: "That is why the industry is oversatured and exhausted. It takes at least around 2 to 3 months to deliver an episode for an average show, with high instensity and actiony episodes costing much more time even with a good schedule". They simply stood there speechless while watching the latest Mushouko Tensei episode with the WTF face. I said they could easily get to know this because we have a cousin who draws, works on coloring, and a few animations as a freelancer. He got the chance to do some panels for DC comics and some backgrounds for some shows. I know how hard he works and how little he makes (but he still makes a good amount when you take into consideration he gets paid in US dollars instead of our devalued Brazilian Real) and it goes to show how the industry just can't keep up with the sudden demand increase over the past few years. Animators have it rough.
It was because Mushoku Tensei's studio worked on only that anime. Animation takes time. The studio was really lucky to work on MT starting from 2019, when they announced it. Also, MT was delayed until 2021.
I'm surprised people don't know this already. If anyone even tried drawing once they could estimate how long that kind of work would take. Everyone is obsessed with quantity. It is in anime, games, movies/TV, etc. Everything needs to come out now all at once.
The original made me excited for the future of anime, considering I really wanna work on it, or at least manga, myself. This video makes me SCARED for the future of anime lol. I really love the distinctive “japaneseness” (for a lack of better words) of anime. I feel like western studios and companies getting involved is going to dilute that aspect and it’ll make me very sad.
no offence, but when the anime industry doesn't give a justified wage to workers AND they don't have ownership of what they made, piracy is what you should be proud of. because the industry doesn't care about the animators anyway.
So the usual shit that happens to anything that becomes an industry. Just goes to show that the principles of industry shouldn't be applied to creative works.
It is disheartening for sure, to have to accept that we are getting good works at the expense of someone's livelihood and on top of that, the newblood and their future. Thank you for bringing all these to light. Must be sad for you as well since this is your passion too. They say, vote with your wallet, and at this stage I can't see how consumers can do their dues to make changes. Which brings me to ask since it is not addressed in the video, what can we do as the audience? Didn't knew there's internet for anime consumption where penguin lives. Global media indeed.
Personally I wouldn't say it's a good time to be an anime fan as the issues in the industry have been showing up more and more, shows that should have been great aren't. I think Kadokawa's isekais are a good example, the variety in quality is much more diverse in the source materials while in adaptations it's mostly just not good, having read a couple of them I expected Faraway Paladin and So I'm a Spider to stand out among them and reach popularity to put them alongside overlord and Re:Zero. Instead they're somehow less popular than the Assassin Isekai which was, in terms of at least the manga, just another generic one with a gimmick that stops being relevant after a short while and joins the league of unremarkable.
knowing what I know about the anime industry nowadays, the ending of the first video had me laughing. It is so horribly far from reality I couldn't help it
That's an interesting observation considering how prominent ecchi anime was in the past. I guess something has to go to make room for all these damned Isekais.
Hi, really wanted to ask this but is it actually true that Crunchyroll staff suggested the anime adaptation for rising of the shield hero? If it’s true that would be really cool.
I just wanna say, Thank you so much for enjoying this video. It was really fun working with Canipa and legit I've been watching him since I was a teenager in highschool (I'm almost 21 now)!
your video wasn't good partly because it came off as practically celebrating the shit state of anime as a japanese industry, the closing down of japanese animation schools etc so white people can be depended on instead also yeah working in anime is known to be a shit job, even most skilled animators are paid badly, so why would anyone expect anything else as a gaijin moving to work there?
I'm thinking if anime should be stayed away from Japan. I mean as a logical think to keep it alive. Things didn't made it into here in the video is the anime pricing. I always thought anything related to anime. The DVD, BR, Audio album, artbook, etc must be freaking expensive. Quality is not worth their price tag. Only a few does. This not to mention the Japanese copyright policy which IMHO doing harm to the industry than not. Their programs to make animation also far from 'modern standard'. As if i must pay extra because I'm looking into a classic. No matter how bad it is. This also correct for their 'anime games'. The picture quality, the audio quality, other contents, story, etc. mostly didn't match the price tag they put. Compared to indie or outside Japan products. Indie Japanese games are still reasonable IMO. I asked my friend, 'why most Japanese games has weird things on visuals?' Like, each item on the screen is indistinguishable from the background. One thing keep me at bay to buy Ryza, the game background is blurry. To be exact, other than characters, texture is at low resolution. Even the ones made by using Unity or Unreal. Highly reused contents, and sometimes also incredibly unoptimized. Yet, the price tag is premium. And he agreed on my opinion. I can list further all the weirdness if you want to. I loved animated video. I love how Japanese made anime characters and story. But i feel like, they don't respect the consumer, also the creator. Which is silly.
I dunno if it was in your other video where I posted that anequdote that pretty sums up the deep rooted problems with the japanese animation industry...
This was a good video! I actually didn’t know about a lot of the western anime coming up, like the LOTR or Cyberpunk ones. I will also never understand the hate Bright gets. It was Shadowrun the movie. It was fun. Not great, but fun nonetheless. I think they could do a lot with it.
It gives me comfort knowing I'm not the only one who thinks anime has become an abortion in the last couple of years. I swear to God Devilman Crybaby is the last good anime to come out.
I love your deeper insight into the production of medium I love so much and able to appreciate great animation even more and understand just how lucky it is that we can get sequels to the shows we love
Donghua has its own issues but the heart is still in their a small indie short got a studio backing insanely fast the artstyles they are trying out in some their shows are awesome
Great video as usual, but there were a few audio issues when transitioning to the current video to the 2017 one. I thought it may have been intentional, but at around 6:20 onward it didn't seem like it since it quickly fixed itself.
Yeah, that's a copyright issue with a Radwimps song in the background of the original. Had to use YT's built-in song remover, but it's far from perfect.
i would say anyone can make anime just what otakuVS did and anime can be similar done like an video game from the production cycle. it can takes months and years to make until its release. If more anime studios are founded arround the world than better is it and it makes more competitive
Anyone can, but I wouldn't underestimate what Yusef's managed to accomplish. He has spent a lot of time learning not just how anime is made, but working out a way that it can be made ethically. What we need is more producers like Yusef, not mpre anime studios. There's already too many.
There's some screwed up audio at 4:31 and 6:22. The original video had a track from Radwimps in it that was somehow fine at the time, but not now. I don't have the original files from that video, so I've had to use RUclips's song removal service to get rid of it, but it's mostly just made it really low quality. Sorry about that!
can u break down " takt op destiny's" animation
@@omega2599 Looks I'm not the only one.
I'd actually like for Canipa to cover the behind the scenes part of it, and it was primarily outsourced to studio Voln so MAPPA in house animators/CGI artists could just work on AOT, JJK, and chainsaw man.
So what…your editor didn’t catch that? If it was you, hey at least you tried.
@@SirEvilestDeath It's not something that was an issue 4 years ago, but Radwimps are claiming it now. I don't have the original voice lines anymore, so this is the best I could do.
@@TheCanipaEffect pls for the love of god break down takt op destiny's animation
The problem with every industry is that they want to eat their cake and have it too. They want to have all of the money without having to give any of it away. The producers want to have all the shows made and they will sacrifice everyone to fill their pockets.
..That old, persistent demon: Greed.
ah reminds me when i know biple and nft and wondering it might help aritst... now i hate nft so much and hope it die... since its attract money laundring and wrong people that rip off artist to make their own nft...
This is why I respect studios that value there team over doing too many projects. Aka quality over quantity.
Also that Penguin 🐧 is Adorable.
Studios? Bro there is only ONE studio that does that so there's absolutely no reason to use the plural version of that lol
@@Char_Aznable_Red Kyoto, Ufo, Toei and many more
Kyoto Animation top tier goat, all indoor staff not any external help, humane staff practices, paid with a salary not per frame. Even own Animation University to help new comers to join after graduation.
@@devarshbhatt5612 how is Wit condition?
@@devarshbhatt5612 ?
Toei doesn't treat their animators well, do they?
Always expect the most disappointing outcome when it comes to any industry and it's behaviour. That way, you will never be disappointed.
The fact you have Gendo profile pic is funny
"That way, you aren't that surprised when everything goes much worse than you could have imagined"
Dude it's my mind set
This is the unfortunate reality of modern entertainment.
Or don’t and expect something decent for once
I had the opportunity to work on an anime in late 2020 and I jumped at the opportunity. It was chaotic and grueling, and I got paid very little for my work. I have no idea how people manage that full-time and live.
what are you talking about ... they died
What show was it?
Just a little feedback for the video: since you used only one "camera" for this rather than a more "react" setup it gets pretty unnatural to read what's going on sometimes, especially for ppl who haven't seen/ don't remember the first video.
Yeah, as soon as this got to the part about hiring international animators, I knew it was gonna mention them just picking people off twitter and using them for crunch. Crazy seeing animators credited by their twitter @ rather than actual name.
That is disheartening. In Japan you might not get your actual name on what you worked on (because of overworked/lazy DAs), meanwhile in Europe you get your name on movies you've never worked on so that your studios can get more subventions.
I never thought I'd see the day when Callum becomes a vtuber, the cutest damn penguin ever. Anyways, what an absolute good video from Callum 👏👏
As someone working in European animation, even here movies have a bad tendency to be under-budgeted, and things are not improving. Streaming service money is nice, but as you said they care more about their catalog than quality, they simply follow the general tendency of giving less cash to studios for their projects. European animation only survives thanks to subventions from countries, but those subventions are often locked behind nonsensical rules or aren't nearly enough, so every studio "cheat" as much as they can to stay alive. I'd like European production to use more private investments and consider more merchandising as a way to break their dependence.
So yeah, seeing how things aren't getting better in Europe (which is a much better work environment overall) I wouldn't expect things to get better in Japan anytime soon.
I think you forgot about the fourth wave of COVID 19
@@aadas6322 Because, in my own experience, it had no impact whatsoever. We've kept working through the fourth wave in person as usual, just like our partners did.
The biggest impact of COVID was actually during the first waves where we had to work from home for a long time (which went fairly well overall, but it impacted some productions causing delays).
That's interesting. I haven't seen much of European animation.
Though I did see some paint-on-glass animation that was worked on, from movies like Loving Vincent and The Old Man and the Sea.
Japan animation worked so far cause the demand = pay&resources until it go international and fucked the balance
Ah japan
Always a master at home territory but become a rookie once it goes international
@@satoriakihiro1283 Hum no, the issue with pay has nothing to do with that (why would more demand translate into less cash in the first place?). That issue has been around since the inception of TV Japanese animation, it's even a talking point among older Japanese animators that you have to be fast enough to be able to earn enough to eat and then worry about making good stuff.
It's been around for decades, but it's never been addressed properly.
2017 Canipa: Put yourself out there, make what you love, and you can get in the anime industry!
2021 Canipa: Don't get in the anime industry, it'll treat you horribly, you'll get burnout, and you'll be put through crunch that will kill your passion.
I'm curious to see you discuss League of Legends's Arcane. I've seen a few Twitter comments from animators stating that Riot must've dumped tremendous amounts of money at it because all the little visual flourishes and details in the animation meant that the animators had the time and budget to add it all in
Nah, it was made in house by riots already existing animation team
@@Voxet1 Nope, it was Studio Fortiche, one of the French animation studios that Canipa mentioned in the original video. They've collaborated with Riot before, but I would be very reticent to call it "in-house"
@@RocketSlug Yup. They've had their own house style that they've been developing for a while outside of their collaborations with Riot. Riot artists were still a big part of developing the look, but Fortiche deserves the lion's share of the credit IMO.
It's not an anime industry problem but a japanese work culture problem that makes it a problem for every industry in general in japan. Long hours, low pay and toxic workplace is what you get so rethink your "I want to work in japan" once again. That Indonesian animator got the taste of it
In today's episode of "Capitalism ruining things": Capitalism ruins the anime industry.
Ironic
In a attempt to avoid death from falling blue ray sales
It instead killing itself for a paycheck from streaming sites
I love Anime because I love Animation. It's not about the style, it's about the sheer creativity and beauty behind these labors of love by the creators.
But I hate the Anime Industry as it is. Because I love Animation, and the work of these creators, I hate seeing these creators being mistreated, being taken advantage of or treated as numbers. Each Animator deserves respect, because seconds of animation, can take hours of their life.
The Internet has made it so easy to endlessly consume content, that we often make the mistake of asking for more, when we should learn to appreciate what has come before and what is already here. I'd rather wait a couple years in between seasons, if it meant the creators were rested and paid well. Besides, the better Animators are treated, the better it will be for consumers in the long run, as more talent will be attracted to the industry.
You don't go to a fancy restaurant, complain your meal is taking too long to make, scream when the proportions weren't as big as you'd like, and still expect luxury service. It just doesn't happen. You want your food quickly or cheaply? You go to a fast food place and get an unhealthy and greasy meal. You want a lot of it? Go to a buffet, where they offer a little of everything and as much as you want, yet it's all just kind of bland, overcooked or flavorless. But if you want a good, memorable meal, you have to pay for it, with time, money, and often you won't get a whole lot of it.
That's a GREAT analogy men. That's legit actually close
You spoke for everyone that loves anime.
Broke: anime industry is broken
Woke: Canipa Vtuber debut
It's nice to have more youtubers adressing this issue. Unhealthy outsourcing and exploitation must be fighted for better content, I don't mind waiting more time.
That penguin facecam is so adorable
I've stop watching as much anime as before, now i read mostly Manga, Webtoon, Novels and light novel. I keep watching anime that looks good or of the stories is compelling but it's just 1 or 2 per month, the quantity is killing the quality so i just dropped most of them
Same here
Yeah even though there are standout shows, most of the anime that gets produced is pure garbage
I'm a "beginner animator" (not making it my career, just as a hobby).
If anyone is striving for animation, I will say that it takes patience, time, and work, but it is possible, so I'd say just do it.
I recommend checking out some anime (by youtubers/one-person teams) if you're interested: Senpai Club, Hikari~be my light, Clockwork Hero, Ninja Ronin.
Kyoto Animation is only studio I’ll rewatch all the anime shows to see the quality of detail. I’ve got 173GB worth of it on my phone. I’m a fan but not that obsessed.
yea sure
It's so hard when a little cute penguin is talking to you about serious stuff
I feel like the industry has no middle ground. There are amazing things bein put out each season. But just as there are amazing things that are put out each season, just as much or even more bullshit and insanity that is put out or found out each season. Jujutsu Kaisen is one of the best examples. An amazing anime that showed just how flawed MAPPA really is. Hell 86 is going through hell right now due to aniplex wanting it finished and yet it is still one of the best shows of the year.
I also love the penguin avatar
The two recap episodes thing for 86 (three weeks with only one new episode) was insane. The people working on it must have been through hell.
@@Knoloaify And it's mostly on Aniplex. A-1 aren't the ones at fault here. Remember this show was supposed to air last fall. It also may have been in 1 cour instead of two
Thankfully the delay this week was one that was already planned from the start (There is an event this week)
@@GuruFromEHRPG blaming only aniplex doesn’t make sense . (There are other factors involved in this also.)
@@aadas6322 agreed... plus COVID is kinda a factor here... (IIRC japan had a surge or two which could affect the production.)
@@GuruFromEHRPG but A1 took the contract themselves right? It's not if it was forced on them.
One of my friends who has worked in the industry told me to not take work if I am offered it bc I am not ready. It would be bad bc I would get a lot of corrections and if it was really bad, would get blacklisted from the industry.
Throw shit/money at the wall and see what sticks
The rest will drown in lava and bad PR for future stuff but we don't care
-Netflix
Animator deserves better, regardless of geographical origin. If anime studios earn so much from streaming services, why couldn’t they increase the wage for their animators, the same people who brought their animated series/movie to life? What’s stopping them from doing that?
No wonder MAPPA has the most hellish workplace as an anime studio. Too many productions, too little pay.
Because of the fact that the money isn’t there. The money both for the production of an anime is given beforehand. Most studio, with the exception of studios such as kyoani and ufotable, dont get money from streaming services and merchandise, so now consider the fact that there must be an increase of about 5000$ per year per person to make things worthwhile and the fact that there are often hundreds of animators, do you think that 500000$ could just be pulled out of their ass ?
@@sonhoangleminh1119 so is it a fixed-rate wage or a contract-based wage? You said that they’re paid beforehand.
@@snowhunter7536 Well, when i said beforehand, i am not talking about wages.
You see, before they make the anime, they ensemble a committee, or just investors, they are the one who pay for all of the anime’s expense, from getting it on TV to making merchandise. The studio receives money from those investors to make the anime, that money is used to do anything from being wage for animators to getting VAs to voice.
When the anime is on air, the committee get all of the money from the anime so there wouldn’t any leftover to give to the animators. However, this is actually fair, since those investors took huge risks by investing in the anime, if the anime fails, the studio won’t lose anything while the committee might lose a lot.
So there are two main reasons why animators wages are low.
Firstly, because animators only take up a small and replaceable part of the anime process. The one that made the anime so beautiful are often the director and the storyboard maker, being an animators is essentially just drawing with a pre-made mold, the designing process is always harder and therefore paid much more than the task that most could do. They also dont have the same marketing power as voice actors, so there are essentially no competition driving the wage up. This fact is proven by the fact that not all animators get paid badly, only in-betweener and outsourcer are paid badly since they even have to do even less in the grand scheme of things.
Secondly, because they and the studio don’t take risk. Animators are workers, they don’t take risk so they aren’t entitled to the reward that was harvested because of the risk that others took. Some studio actually take risk, such as kyoani, ufo and recently mappa, as they are now becoming their own committee, so they often have much more money thus pay their animators much more handsomely.
@@sonhoangleminh1119 to put it shortly, the wage system depends upon the investment from committees, even though I’ve never been aware that there are such since. What I’m aware of is that animation studios have executive higher ups such as in the case of Walt Disney Animation Studios being handled by the Walt Disney Company, or in Japan, that would be ShoPro responsible for studios like OLM.
@@snowhunter7536 not rly, it is rather based on how valuable those animators are to the company
You think anime is bad…wait until you analyze the gaming industry.
It's more a case of uniformity. The gaming industry has many cases of abuse and people being underpaid that we hear about a lot. With anime, these issues are prevalent across almost every anime studio. It's not like it should be a pissing contest, but it's important to recognize that Japan doesn't really have a Jason Schreier-type for whom industry workers feel they can confide in, and the media is too often subservient to the companies they cover.
rates for foreigners in Japan are abysmal. Tried to look for remote English teaching there, they paid like $8 per hour and you had to receive your pay via paypal.
You know? ensuring what you live on to eat could get locked cause you moved money somewhere and were assumed to be a launderer just cause you want to get the money you were paid fairly.
Fantastic video as always man, I'd love to see you talk about Arcane! Also you brought up Castlevania, which is the EXACT sort of anime I want to see more.
Arcane is the next video!
Animators should hace less shows and produce more Quality shows. Look at one punch man and Demon Slayer. I really think that great part of their success is because of the Quality of animation
canipa now cutest vtuber.
You can tell that Netflix picks up more “edgy show” as the while production wise the castlevania show is great it doesn’t stick to the source material and makes a lot of things really weird
this penguin is a bit annoying, it looks really cute and appealing but the monotone animation is boring
Netflix more or less culturally appropriated the term Anime.... and I dont really like that they did.
Cause it lowers value in Western Animation. And they are more or less using as a brand to either get people to watch or claim shit as that even if its not.
...its the most straight example of this shit in a long time. It dont help everyone working with Netflix on Animation Portion seems to not enjoy what they are doing especially the Japanese Side...
Netflix anime has been an absolute disaster. If Sol Levante is their vision of the future of anime, I would hope they just stay out of it. I am not, of course, talking about stuff like CastleVania, which had at least two good seasons, or Dota: Dragons Blood, which got off to a great start. On the whole, though, it is clear Netflix wants to turn anime into, well, *Netflix,* which is usually garbage.
What can be done to support the anime industry as a fan? I have seen videos saying to donate to studios directly on Patreon. Anything else? I feel like we get so much content only because animators are paid so poorly and soon the bubble will burst.
That's perhaps the most depressing part. There are animators who accept donations individually, but a lot of the animators getting paid the least are the ones you've never heard of. I'm not totally confident about donating to studios either. There are definitely those that invest in their team and buying from the KyoAni store will always be a net good, but I have little confidence in Trigger's Patreon, for instance.
the problem with too much anime being made at the same time,many people working on it suffers
It's sad that SDS quality has dropped so much in later seasons, but at the same time... at least it's a complete story that we can enjoy. What I hate the most about the anime industry, is that most of the shows atm are adaptations, and that most of them will probably cover only a fraction of the entire story. How can you even call it a show? It's a commercial. It's so annoying. Lately, I wasn't watching almost any anime because of that. I'm so tired of watching these 12 episode prologues, and of getting attached to characters only to never find out what will happen to them. This is why this industry feels broken to me.
Not just that, but there aren’t enough good unique shows that can stand in the test of time. Instead, it’s just your usually the typical isekai show that can get a quick buck
@@jjdilla9848 Outside of your isekai show, you are getting some pretty good shonens. Attack on Titan, Juju, Jutjutsu Kaisen, Mob Pyscho. Those will stand the test of time and have proven to do so.
@@awsomeboy360 although they are good shows, they are adaptations. I’m referring to original anime like cowboy bebop or NGE.
@@jjdilla9848 Hahah just been rewatching Cowboy Bebop, Wolf's Rain and Macross Plus. So, if those shows listed above are good shows, it sounds like I've really missed nothing in the last twenty years?!
@@jjdilla9848 every season there are way more animes than just the generic isekai, you just have to search and filter them🤷🏼♂️
Sonny Boy for example, it is totally original and it was *simply magnific, one of the best anime this year and one of the best original anime I have watched imo.* Sonny Boy even turned into one of my most favorite animes, very underrated though...
Please made Vidieo about animation in Arcane.
That's coming up next!
And thats why i say this is not only a GREAT channel
But a NECESSARY channel
Thanks for the awesome work !
I'm a little late to this video but I just want to say thanks for making this video. Positivity is always good but its just as important to cast an unflinching eye over the ugly truths of reality. It was really interesting to get retrospective over the impact that the globalization of the anime industry has had.
Despite this being a more glum video and topic when Penguin Canipa-Chan is explaining it, it feels a little hopeful
The average consumer doesn't know how much work it takes to produce a single episode of an average show. I asked my brothers and they naively answered "a few hours of work or half a day at max", the one laughs and says "Are you crazy? It is at least a week to produce it!". Then I said to both: "That is why the industry is oversatured and exhausted. It takes at least around 2 to 3 months to deliver an episode for an average show, with high instensity and actiony episodes costing much more time even with a good schedule".
They simply stood there speechless while watching the latest Mushouko Tensei episode with the WTF face. I said they could easily get to know this because we have a cousin who draws, works on coloring, and a few animations as a freelancer. He got the chance to do some panels for DC comics and some backgrounds for some shows. I know how hard he works and how little he makes (but he still makes a good amount when you take into consideration he gets paid in US dollars instead of our devalued Brazilian Real) and it goes to show how the industry just can't keep up with the sudden demand increase over the past few years. Animators have it rough.
Mushoku Tensei is on a movie level of quality, and it's a TV show. There's 0 way they could do this in a day and a half.
It was because Mushoku Tensei's studio worked on only that anime.
Animation takes time. The studio was really lucky to work on MT starting from 2019, when they announced it.
Also, MT was delayed until 2021.
I'm surprised people don't know this already. If anyone even tried drawing once they could estimate how long that kind of work would take. Everyone is obsessed with quantity. It is in anime, games, movies/TV, etc. Everything needs to come out now all at once.
The original made me excited for the future of anime, considering I really wanna work on it, or at least manga, myself. This video makes me SCARED for the future of anime lol. I really love the distinctive “japaneseness” (for a lack of better words) of anime. I feel like western studios and companies getting involved is going to dilute that aspect and it’ll make me very sad.
Even if it doesn’t now, it will eventually. All I can do is try and keep that aspect of anime alive that I love so much in my own projects.
... or turn it into woke, Netflix nonsense.
@@StudioArtFX the typical “woke” argument.
When will people learn that no American company has changed anime because they are “woke”
Considering Crunchyroll has been producing anime for over 6 years I don’t think much has or will change
@@danielalmeida7382 give it time.
no offence, but when the anime industry doesn't give a justified wage to workers AND they don't have ownership of what they made, piracy is what you should be proud of.
because the industry doesn't care about the animators anyway.
3:07 Yo, where is this from? Dude spazzing out with the uppercut.
Aho Girl
@@TheCanipaEffect Gracias
Good video. Can you make a video on the current state of studio ufotable and wit?
My Demon Slayer Movie spotlight talks about where Ufotable is today, while a chunk of my Attack on Titan spotlight is about Wit's current philosophy
@@TheCanipaEffect oh great i'll go watch them now 😁
So the usual shit that happens to anything that becomes an industry. Just goes to show that the principles of industry shouldn't be applied to creative works.
15:30 The animators at PowerHouse complain of low pay and long hours. They are in Austin Texas.
Still unsure if he’s the Daredevil writer or if it was Wilson Ellis? 11:11
It is disheartening for sure, to have to accept that we are getting good works at the expense of someone's livelihood and on top of that, the newblood and their future. Thank you for bringing all these to light. Must be sad for you as well since this is your passion too. They say, vote with your wallet, and at this stage I can't see how consumers can do their dues to make changes. Which brings me to ask since it is not addressed in the video, what can we do as the audience?
Didn't knew there's internet for anime consumption where penguin lives. Global media indeed.
this video would be more watchable without the creepy penguin thing
the animators and studios needs to seize the means of production
Personally I wouldn't say it's a good time to be an anime fan as the issues in the industry have been showing up more and more, shows that should have been great aren't. I think Kadokawa's isekais are a good example, the variety in quality is much more diverse in the source materials while in adaptations it's mostly just not good, having read a couple of them I expected Faraway Paladin and So I'm a Spider to stand out among them and reach popularity to put them alongside overlord and Re:Zero. Instead they're somehow less popular than the Assassin Isekai which was, in terms of at least the manga, just another generic one with a gimmick that stops being relevant after a short while and joins the league of unremarkable.
that fuckin' Bright movie XD XD XD ... that line reading killed me
16:50 The Thomas Romain? (creator of code lyoko)
Yup!
@@TheCanipaEffect Oh snap that's cool!
I would give my left kidney for the Castlevania animators to do a Zelda anime.
knowing what I know about the anime industry nowadays, the ending of the first video had me laughing. It is so horribly far from reality I couldn't help it
Less and less ecchi anime are being made because of the streaming model, my wife and I like them because they...uhmmm...inspire us.
That's an interesting observation considering how prominent ecchi anime was in the past. I guess something has to go to make room for all these damned Isekais.
@@SadFace201 Isekai isn't the problem here.
Oh that is true. When you see one, you better value it while it's still there
7:00 Or how the One Piece anime has several animators from overseas, one of them being their Golden Boy - Tu Yong Ce .
Whole time watching this, all I could think was "man he's cute"
9:06 Kawajiri god level
Hi, really wanted to ask this but is it actually true that Crunchyroll staff suggested the anime adaptation for rising of the shield hero?
If it’s true that would be really cool.
Yup. Can't remember the specific person's name, but it was a CR employee that suggested it to Kadokawa, and that's how they became a coproducer on it.
Capitalism working as intended
holy crap, that penguin character cute tho
I just wanna say, Thank you so much for enjoying this video. It was really fun working with Canipa and legit I've been watching him since I was a teenager in highschool (I'm almost 21 now)!
Cool beanz
I guess you could say the anime industry is peak capitalism and corporatism at it's finest ( And even Japan's bad workfield makes it worse to )
0:08
What the anime name
Get a job that pays bills and do Anime as a side gigs, got it!
your video wasn't good partly because it came off as practically celebrating the shit state of anime as a japanese industry, the closing down of japanese animation schools etc so white people can be depended on instead
also yeah working in anime is known to be a shit job, even most skilled animators are paid badly, so why would anyone expect anything else as a gaijin moving to work there?
What about Arcane?
Can you do video on Muse Asia
I'm thinking if anime should be stayed away from Japan. I mean as a logical think to keep it alive.
Things didn't made it into here in the video is the anime pricing. I always thought anything related to anime. The DVD, BR, Audio album, artbook, etc must be freaking expensive. Quality is not worth their price tag. Only a few does. This not to mention the Japanese copyright policy which IMHO doing harm to the industry than not.
Their programs to make animation also far from 'modern standard'. As if i must pay extra because I'm looking into a classic. No matter how bad it is.
This also correct for their 'anime games'. The picture quality, the audio quality, other contents, story, etc. mostly didn't match the price tag they put. Compared to indie or outside Japan products. Indie Japanese games are still reasonable IMO. I asked my friend, 'why most Japanese games has weird things on visuals?' Like, each item on the screen is indistinguishable from the background. One thing keep me at bay to buy Ryza, the game background is blurry. To be exact, other than characters, texture is at low resolution. Even the ones made by using Unity or Unreal. Highly reused contents, and sometimes also incredibly unoptimized. Yet, the price tag is premium. And he agreed on my opinion. I can list further all the weirdness if you want to.
I loved animated video. I love how Japanese made anime characters and story. But i feel like, they don't respect the consumer, also the creator. Which is silly.
man, i love you canipa
Thanks for this video
I really appreciate what you said about foreign anksmtors working in anime
Especially guzzu
Anime: Takes a lot of deadly hard work to make
Toxic "Fans": Harasses staffs just because of a CGI that lasted for seconds
I dunno if it was in your other video where I posted that anequdote that pretty sums up the deep rooted problems with the japanese animation industry...
This was a good video! I actually didn’t know about a lot of the western anime coming up, like the LOTR or Cyberpunk ones. I will also never understand the hate Bright gets. It was Shadowrun the movie. It was fun. Not great, but fun nonetheless. I think they could do a lot with it.
0:09
I’m sorry but I was so distracted by how cute your penguin avatar was!!!!! So cuutteee!!! ❤️❤️❤️
You should talk about Usman Riaz and Mano Studios one day (they’re making an anime inspired film and are a studio based in Pakistan)
Anyone familiar with the track that plays at 3:01? I've heard it before but I can't remember where it's from.
It gives me comfort knowing I'm not the only one who thinks anime has become an abortion in the last couple of years. I swear to God Devilman Crybaby is the last good anime to come out.
By your voice i expected cannipa to be a little bit taller, bc at least in camera looks kinda short and fluffy.
What is your take on American comic books , they are perfect for Anime
8:15 oh so thats what he meant when he said something about coming back on twitter
I love your deeper insight into the production of medium I love so much and able to appreciate great animation even more and understand just how lucky it is that we can get sequels to the shows we love
Make a video on the transition of one pieces animation to the current style some of the episodes are breath taking
Donghua has its own issues but the heart is still in their
a small indie short got a studio backing insanely fast
the artstyles they are trying out in some their shows are awesome
your flippers going up and down to point out series at 12:35 is really damn cute
Great video as usual, but there were a few audio issues when transitioning to the current video to the 2017 one. I thought it may have been intentional, but at around 6:20 onward it didn't seem like it since it quickly fixed itself.
Yeah, that's a copyright issue with a Radwimps song in the background of the original. Had to use YT's built-in song remover, but it's far from perfect.
always such high quality vids
We should create a petition for anime studios treat better their employes.
Omg a vtuber omg is vtubing the future of RUclips
Could you argue the brokenness of the anime industry is what makes their products so appealing
I would say if it was less broken it would be even more appealing
sound got super weird for me at the 4 minute mark for some reason
Good video and important topic!
Btw: what anime is the girl with the small yellow robot jumping from a tower?
That's probably Gundam Build Fighters Try
Arcane is an awesome show rivaling Castlevania
This video is gonna be good
pengutuber lets gooooooo
i would say anyone can make anime just what otakuVS did and anime can be similar done like an video game from the production cycle. it can takes months and years to make until its release. If more anime studios are founded arround the world than better is it and it makes more competitive
Anyone can, but I wouldn't underestimate what Yusef's managed to accomplish. He has spent a lot of time learning not just how anime is made, but working out a way that it can be made ethically. What we need is more producers like Yusef, not mpre anime studios. There's already too many.