Ms691? Love ported 661 !! Awesome A/V, incredible torque, just an all around exelent saw. The ms880 what can I say? Think I saw 10200 in the cut??wow!! In the hands of a true PRO. Sniper falling skills!!!!
Felling a tree is the easiest place to smash a saw, so I use older saws for that, once it's down I break out the fun, but these guys fell trees for a living and are way better at it than I ever will be, I learned a lot from reading hotsaws comments, when my buddy started cutting trees he was mad cause he had to have his own saw, so on loan from the Stihl dealer was a new 038, he realized halfway through the day why you have your own saw and was in his truck going to the dealer for another new saw and never paid for the first one yet, it was the only saw he smashed in his twenty years cutting trees
@@cargotoolshop5319 - Brother, I gotta say - that is the best response I could imagine!!😂😂😂 I love people who have a sense of humor!!!! Stay safe and well!!!
That 880 is quite the runner ! The "681" would of course be more pleasant to tote around all day and it also can do a pretty special job. Thanks Jack for a good "watch"
Great video! I loved seeing some 088 action. After I watched your videos I immediately bought a max airflow kit and opened the exhaust port on my 088 and man what a difference! That bar combo looked just right to me , maybe overkill for redwood but the big oaks out here on eastern shore, thats the bar I'd use. I cut a huge oak with mine for 6hrs this spring and it was great , but boy did I not feel young afterwards.
Nice cutting there Mr. Beelar. We enjoy these videos very much - kids like to see what real work looks like. Saw a black Lemans/GTO the other day .......
Mr. M g'day. I'm thankful that everyone takes the time to watch my small offerings. Saw-weet ride you viewed. Haven't seen one in years. Thanks for stopping by.
Someone asked what a 372 "Sleeper" was - from another video. I told them about the "family car" with the 455 Buick that use to frequent Commercial St. on the weekends, lol
Was looking for a big saw and ended up with a Dolmar 9010, I already have a 7900 so it's a good fit, my next big saws are ms460 and a husky 272xp and a 372xp, I love them all, but my favorite is a Stihl 038 magnum, God bless
T T hi. Surely you are only talking in the Stihl lineup... I'm not brand loyal by any stretch of the imagination. I always thought that the 395 was the "crossover" saw when a guy was running a 42 or so. More lowend than either the 660 or 661. But also much more weight. The 660 & 661 are so nose heavy with more than a 36 - especially if it's a Cannon. Now enter the 592. Noticeably more power than a 395 and a pound less mass. I think that a lot of fallers are going to enjoy the 592s. Only my 2 cents. Thanks for watching.
In your opinion is the 88 with a huge bar worth it considering the weight which is obviously an issue. Does the convenience of a bigger bar justify the weight or would a 660 working both sides of the tree make things more efficient?
Timothy hi. I mentioned in the end that it wasn't needed. Complete overkill imho. Sometimes when you can only get to one side running a WAY longer bar than necessary is what is done. I'm doing a little saw testing on Mr. Carsten's 880 here. Michael hi. Depends upon the pricing the mills are paying. I did "itemize" it out for another viewer - Rick Kent. Somewhere ~ 5k standing there under most market conditions.
Awesome video as always! I just purchased a 880 for milling. It’s all stock. The guy I bought it from brought it into our shop for a carb. It was the first 880 I had seen, and only the second one our other saw guy had seen. after putting on the new carb it has a low end bog. Any suggestions what is causing it? Or is it an inherent trait of the stock big saw?
Maybe you have already said in an earlier video, but I'd like to know where and how you learned how to fell a tree? Seems like you've done that a time or two lol.
K Neal hi. In addition to my dad, both Grandfather's worked in the woods. One Great grandfather did too. There is no one place. It takes years to get fluid imho. So, it is a lot of trial & error. I was never afraid to try things either. That helps. Thanks for watching.
Samuel hi. Out on the West Coast, Coast. From what I've seen, most of the inland ground is pretty long. It can be nice & steep, but it is usually not to broken, not always of course. There are some interesting bluffs on that Sula fire for example. Once you get up off the Bitterroot aways, it's mostly just steep. Choppy ground, imho anyway, is the most mental when the trees are big (that usually equates to tall) or valuable, or both. It's a day in and day out routine on most Coast ground that get significant rainfall and erodes. Not so much inland. Generalities here of course.
Hey sir got a question for you since you know all about the 461 52 mm standard bore is there a Big Bore Kit we can put on that or you got any tricks to the trade
Timmy hi. Not one that is readily available as far as I know. Regarding "tricks", there are a multitude of videos on this channel that show 461s. The zipped ones speak for themselves. Thanks for watching.
Joshua hi. I don't necessarily film a session and "run" to the computer. This video was shot in the late summer, or early fall, of 2019 as an example. I would need to know if your referring to the true "Humboldt" undercut. Or perhaps, the version with the bias cut coming in from the bottom, sloped up toward the hinge. For what we have here, @ ~ 8:20 and 9:35 you can see that the top cut was sloping down as it goes in towards the hinge. This qualifies the undercut as a Farmer's or Over Hand face with an open hinge. Thanks for watching.
Jona V. hi. There were Sitka spruce, Douglas fir, Western Red alder, a couple of Hemlock trees, and an occasional White fir mixed in this area. Thanks for watching.
Gentlemen hi. I did not coin the nomenclature "481", "680", "382", "681", etc. That was done by some of my clients after getting their saws, that I had tuned, back. I noted in the description area of this video a little about the configuration of this "681". It is also an early version of my "patented" "Torque Tweak" enhancement. Seems fitting that if the 661 can pull 199 drivers of .404 chain on a 6' bar that it would get a little number upgrade. Thanks for watching.
Really enjoy all of your videos Jack! Keep them coming. Would love to hear from you on this since you have run some Makita/Dolmar saws but any community help is fine. Having some hot start/run issues with a 7900. Any thoughts?
Are you choking it when it's hot, have to ask. How does the saw act, flooding? What elevation are you at. Ps, I like some 7900/7910 action, smooth saws!
I pull the choke and then back in just to put it on high idle. That seems to help the first few times then I have to feather the throttle after that to get it started and keep it running. Seems like it could be a fuel starvation issue. Elevation is not an issue in the middle of South Carolina. I’m not a professional logger or mechanic by any means more of a hobbiest. This saw is a mut. Bought an old Home Depot 6421 and found a full 7900 top end (carb,piston,cylinder,muffler) that was a take off from a brand new saw and built this thing myself. You’re right it’s a smooth strong saw until it gets hot.
@@jstocker1103 yep, great saws, I have seven, 2 for parts, two 100% stock, 1 muffler modded, 2 ported, you could say I like them 😬. I don't even put them on high idle when they are hot. One problem I have had is the fuel vent getting plugged, it happened on two of them. When it happened I removed the fuel line from the carb and fuel sprayed all over, reattached it and the problem went away. I have a good number of videos of them cutting cookies on my channel from testing chains or before I've sold others I've had, I really enjoy running them.
Jstocker hi. Without knowing how old & amount of run time, how it's treated as far as maintenance, what your doing as far as fuel, how you store your equipment, etc., etc. it is hard for me to randomly have an opinion. The other side of it is that it is almost impossible to tell a guy "how to fall a tree over the phone". Guess we will await the input. Thanks for watching.
If you get your apex slightly beyond center of mass, it'll require little to no wedge pounding to get it to go over.. at least that's why I'll go deep on my notch occasionally.
Gentlemen hi. I talked about my reasoning for the face being put in this way during the dialog at the end. The face is in a (mostly) round tree. It is either going to be a 1/3, 40%, 3/4 excetra when the faller is done with the adjustment/s. What I've found, it is way easier to go a little far on the side opposite first since a guy is usually finishing off the work on the good standing/better ground side. If a tree leans opposite the intended direction of the shot, it will be harder to wedge the further (deeper) the face is. This will exemplified if the limb weight is also opposite the shot. A 1/3 sized face give pretty good guidance control while allowing for a lot of leverage for the wedges if/when they are necessary. A 1/3 deep face cut does not always give the faller what he needs on the stump when attempting to get the tree to do certain things - either at the stump or in the air (which is a direct result of at the stump, yes). In the end I needed a certain thing to happen and gnawed on the stump accordingly. Thanks for watching.
Rick hi. That depends upon the price at the mill. This strip had a lot of volume over a diameter break of 30 or 32" if I remember right. Those logs were a different price. I'm not the owner. Not always privy to the contracts. Somewhere around 5 grand standing is my best guess. Thanks for watching.
d Hamby hi. 7 tooth. I run them mostly. It is the tuning (and maybe a trick or two) on the saw that allows it to work at a much higher rpm level than they do in stock form. Thanks for watching.
Darnit the audio is too poor now and summary isn't clear, now I'm gonna have to google to learn the deal of this 681 you speak of (there's....there's no way the 880 jugs bolt onto 660 chassis is there??) OMG If you knew if the 880 muffler fit the 660 exhaust-flange, I'd be forever grateful (the 880 muffler, w/ an enlarged exit hole of course, is about my fave design for box-style, ever!)
Joe - GoPro,,, in the case... People don't seem to understand. They are waterproof which means they are also sound proof to a degree. YT is a hobby for me. I'm not trying to make a living off of it like some out there. Resultantly, nothing I do is perfect. No need to "Google" it. To bad more folks don't just ask the creator. The term is an off shoot from the 481 concept. A couple of the fallers I built saws for coined the phrase "481" after running in the woods felling timber. And yes, they had both run other's ported saws. This is the saw that pulled the 72" bar with .404 chain. So, I parlayed it (81 concept) on over. Same can be said for the term "zipp" or zippkit. That's indigenous to the NorCal Coast. And Insane-O or Insane-o-ized, Psy-Ko or Psy-Ko-ized. The Insane-O term came from another faller that used my saws. I tagged Psy-Ko and/or Psy-Ko-ized after thinking of some more radical saw I had devised at the same time. Thanks for watching.
yourneck2 hi. I consider it an overhand or farmer's face. I posted a video several years ago that shows and discusses a little bit about a "Humboldt undercut" versus what people call a Humboldt face now. Thanks for watching.
Jake hi. I've never had a cold seizure in a chainsaw personally. With my work saws it was idle for a bit, depending upon the temperature at the time, maybe blast the throttle a few times and start sawing. It's all subject to the current ambient air temp. A little longer when it's colder. I've watched saw shop owners grab a saw off the self and start it. Give it a couple of short blasts and then wide open. I never noticed a seized saw. It was done that way for years too. Some of it will depend upon the mix oil that is used, imho. The higher the quality the more forgiveness a guy will get. Thanks for watching.
That's why you run synthetic oil, it has a higher flash point so it will go deeper into the combustion chamber before it burns off, it will take twice the heat of conventional oil
Cargo tool shop hi. I'm on record, a multitude of times, "harpin' on" "get a top tier" mix oil. Although I did spend a lot of years before switching to synthetic oil running one GREAT petroleum based mix. The flash point/s of synthetic oil is not carté blanch 2x that of any petroleum/s version mix. It needs to be looked at on an individual, and, case by case basis. Formula K2 for example is an awesome oil in a mo-chine that is water cooled, well imho anyway. It has a flash point well below (240° F) 1/2 that of the Motul RoadRace (525°F). The K2 also has a flash point that is over 200°F less than that of the Stihl 2-cycle high performance (orange bottle). The orange bottle 2-cycle high performance Stihl mix oil is petroleum based and actually has a flash point that is 4°F (432°) higher than the HP Ultra (428°F) which is fully synthetic. I've seen some synthetics have a flash point below 200° F also. Thanks for watching.
Jack...Is the MS681 a Beeler original? Bored/stroked to give a an extra 20cc? Inquiring minds would like to know! Great job as always. Now you go back to building work saws!
Gentlemen hi - This saw is in the original, Factory configurement bore & stroke wise. It is an early version of my "patented" "Torque Tweak" though. Same saw seen pulling the 72" chain on the old Cannon. 199 drivers of .404 chain. So maybe 115/20 more drivers than a 24" bar. That is multiple pounds of chain too. I stumbled across a video months ago of a supposed stroked 661. Tested against a supposed original equipment 661 if memory serves. Honestly, I cannot remember but, it seemed like they were both zipped. IDK the bar length, but it was longer. The stock fitment saw seemed to do better as I remember it, but it's been awhile like I said. All things internal are working in concert. There is a little more to it than just stroking a saw imho. Tuning comes to mind 1st. Thanks and watching.
@@hotsaws101 thanks for the response. My buddies ran the stock electronic carb in the beginning, then they installed a standard carb and she perked up quite a bit. Mine just has a muffler mod, great saw, I like it over a 395 because of the side tensioner on the 661. Are you doing an oiler mod to run the longer bars, or just removing the pin.
georgegave hi. 20' and less are considered short logs. They all (for the most part) get 6" of trim. Logs 22' to 40' (for the most part) get 12" of trim. Logs over 40' (again, for the most part) get 18" of trim. Thanks for watching.
@@I53-624 ol Jack (hotsaws) made a pretty good video explaining his chain tension preference. I tried it and I'm not going back to a loose chain ever again! It keeps the angle of the teeth and rakers consistent around the nose and along the bar. Just open your oiler and let it rip
@@I53-624 not quite that tight. Dig around some of jacks videos, from a few (2) months ago, his shop videos. I tried it out on an ash, worked well, now im a believer
Stephan hi. I bushel. I'll use an overhand (farmer's) face, true Humboldt face, modified Humboldt face, a Saginaw (I call it a West Coast face sometimes), my "patanted" Funky Face, etc., etc. at any point, in any strip, on any tree that I need to do (or maybe not do) something in particular. But, I'm particular and a lot of the time dealing with 4 to 10 or 12 thousand dollar trees. There are different types of production cutters. It's not slways just dumping small trees, or not so valuable trees down the hill also. Sometimes it's more about the quality of the work while still managing to get volume on the ground. Well, imho anyway. Thanks for watching.
hotsaws101 thanks for the reply. Was just asking because I grew up around falling.. I should be 3 gen but the old man kicked me out of the woods.. he fell in ak for years. All he taught was humbolt and Swanson. Oh and rusian cuppling. . Thanks again.
That's way to deep of a face cut ,one day you'll have one slab on you and if your not really really fast and very alert your not going to get a secound chance brother !!!
That's a beautiful stick of wood and Jack laid it out on a silver platter. Bonus: ms880 in action. Good stuff!
That 88 is a beast very nice job I wouldn’t want to carry it around all day👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Man that 681 is something else! Might need to send my new 461 your way and see what can be done with it👌 Thanks for another great vid!
That 880 sounds unbelievable.
Very beautiful forest video! i love when the trees are filmed.
Thanks for the tach shot in the cut..that saw is pulling good!
Ms691? Love ported 661 !! Awesome A/V, incredible torque, just an all around exelent saw. The ms880 what can I say? Think I saw 10200 in the cut??wow!! In the hands of a true PRO. Sniper falling skills!!!!
Often the the trees don't look that big until you put those giant bars in them. Crazy cool. Balls of steel. Excellent
Cool video mr Belar thanks for posting ....nice shot
That was the first time I’ve ever seen someone fall with Ms 880. That saw runs and sounds awesome!! Good job!!
Felling a tree is the easiest place to smash a saw, so I use older saws for that, once it's down I break out the fun, but these guys fell trees for a living and are way better at it than I ever will be, I learned a lot from reading hotsaws comments, when my buddy started cutting trees he was mad cause he had to have his own saw, so on loan from the Stihl dealer was a new 038, he realized halfway through the day why you have your own saw and was in his truck going to the dealer for another new saw and never paid for the first one yet, it was the only saw he smashed in his twenty years cutting trees
@@cargotoolshop5319 - ⬆️⬆️⬆️ That's all one sentence.😐
@@samuelluria4744 I graduated public school system
@@cargotoolshop5319 - Brother, I gotta say - that is the best response I could imagine!!😂😂😂 I love people who have a sense of humor!!!! Stay safe and well!!!
Beautiful. Nice work.
Nice shot Jack! And thanks for taking the time to make my 880 stand out amongst all the others. This saw is truly a beast!
Great show...
That 880 is quite the runner ! The "681" would of course be more pleasant to tote around all day and it also can do a pretty special job. Thanks Jack for a good "watch"
Great shot with the redweed....took your time and did it right! God bless Shoe.
Great job,thanks for sharing! You sure run some awesome saws,you make it look easy.
The Grace of God Help us each one.
Great video! I loved seeing some 088 action.
After I watched your videos I immediately bought a max airflow kit and opened the exhaust port on my 088 and man what a difference!
That bar combo looked just right to me , maybe overkill for redwood but the big oaks out here on eastern shore, thats the bar I'd use.
I cut a huge oak with mine for 6hrs this spring and it was great , but boy did I not feel young afterwards.
Love the saw sounds and runs good also I enjoy your videos
Nice cutting there Mr. Beelar. We enjoy these videos very much - kids like to see what real work looks like. Saw a black Lemans/GTO the other day .......
Mr. M g'day. I'm thankful that everyone takes the time to watch my small offerings.
Saw-weet ride you viewed. Haven't seen one in years.
Thanks for stopping by.
Someone asked what a 372 "Sleeper" was - from another video.
I told them about the "family car" with the 455 Buick that use to frequent Commercial St. on the weekends, lol
Great job buddy.
That does not sound like any 088 or 084 I have used! Nice work 🔥 hotsaw.
HMPS hi.
Well that's a bummer. Makes for a nice, er I mean less, time on the stump, lol.
Thanks fir watching.
Gun sticks just don't lie, great job as usual
Very good video. Thank you, big man!
Was looking for a big saw and ended up with a Dolmar 9010, I already have a 7900 so it's a good fit, my next big saws are ms460 and a husky 272xp and a 372xp, I love them all, but my favorite is a Stihl 038 magnum, God bless
I always wish they just come out with a sign between the 660 and the 880
T T hi. Surely you are only talking in the Stihl lineup...
I'm not brand loyal by any stretch of the imagination.
I always thought that the 395 was the "crossover" saw when a guy was running a 42 or so. More lowend than either the 660 or 661. But also much more weight.
The 660 & 661 are so nose heavy with more than a 36 - especially if it's a Cannon.
Now enter the 592. Noticeably more power than a 395 and a pound less mass. I think that a lot of fallers are going to enjoy the 592s.
Only my 2 cents.
Thanks for watching.
That's,a Monster of a saw
In your opinion is the 88 with a huge bar worth it considering the weight which is obviously an issue. Does the convenience of a bigger bar justify the weight or would a 660 working both sides of the tree make things more efficient?
I was wondering what is a tree like that worth?
Timothy hi. I mentioned in the end that it wasn't needed. Complete overkill imho.
Sometimes when you can only get to one side running a WAY longer bar than necessary is what is done.
I'm doing a little saw testing on Mr. Carsten's 880 here.
Michael hi. Depends upon the pricing the mills are paying. I did "itemize" it out for another viewer - Rick Kent. Somewhere ~ 5k standing there under most market conditions.
Awesome video as always! I just purchased a 880 for milling. It’s all stock. The guy I bought it from brought it into our shop for a carb. It was the first 880 I had seen, and only the second one our other saw guy had seen. after putting on the new carb it has a low end bog. Any suggestions what is causing it? Or is it an inherent trait of the stock big saw?
I haven't used a 880 but used a 3120xp alot and it always seemed to bog on the low side a bit
I need this in my back yard
Well Done!
Maybe you have already said in an earlier video, but I'd like to know where and how you learned how to fell a tree? Seems like you've done that a time or two lol.
K Neal hi. In addition to my dad, both Grandfather's worked in the woods. One Great grandfather did too.
There is no one place. It takes years to get fluid imho. So, it is a lot of trial & error.
I was never afraid to try things either. That helps.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 - So, in other words, Montana.
Samuel hi.
Out on the West Coast, Coast. From what I've seen, most of the inland ground is pretty long. It can be nice & steep, but it is usually not to broken, not always of course. There are some interesting bluffs on that Sula fire for example. Once you get up off the Bitterroot aways, it's mostly just steep.
Choppy ground, imho anyway, is the most mental when the trees are big (that usually equates to tall) or valuable, or both.
It's a day in and day out routine on most Coast ground that get significant rainfall and erodes. Not so much inland.
Generalities here of course.
@@hotsaws101 - Gotta say, I really appreciate your wisdom. Thanks!
Hey sir got a question for you since you know all about the 461 52 mm standard bore is there a Big Bore Kit we can put on that or you got any tricks to the trade
Timmy hi.
Not one that is readily available as far as I know.
Regarding "tricks", there are a multitude of videos on this channel that show 461s. The zipped ones speak for themselves.
Thanks for watching.
Jack why have you not been using the the Humboldt notch in your latest videos,??
Joshua hi. I don't necessarily film a session and "run" to the computer. This video was shot in the late summer, or early fall, of 2019 as an example.
I would need to know if your referring to the true "Humboldt" undercut. Or perhaps, the version with the bias cut coming in from the bottom, sloped up toward the hinge.
For what we have here, @ ~ 8:20 and 9:35 you can see that the top cut was sloping down as it goes in towards the hinge. This qualifies the undercut as a Farmer's or Over Hand face with an open hinge.
Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the info you are a true surgeon with that saw !!! Keep the footage coming...
this forest is mixed with Douglas-fir? thanks
Jona V. hi.
There were Sitka spruce, Douglas fir, Western Red alder, a couple of Hemlock trees, and an occasional White fir mixed in this area.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 thanks Hotsaws!
Took a while, no hydraulic assistance available? I know that Jack's technique is beyond compare of course
Nice work Jack. Always enjoy watching your video and seeing lager trees being felled. And your custom worked saws being put to work
I agree, as a spectator it sometimes seems like these saws only cut test cookies
Okay, I gotta ask - What exactly _IS_ a 681? A Frankenstein's Monster, but of what?
He's calling it something bigger cause it runs good, it's a stock sized saw that's been tuned to run good
Gentlemen hi.
I did not coin the nomenclature "481", "680", "382", "681", etc. That was done by some of my clients after getting their saws, that I had tuned, back.
I noted in the description area of this video a little about the configuration of this "681". It is also an early version of my "patented" "Torque Tweak" enhancement.
Seems fitting that if the 661 can pull 199 drivers of .404 chain on a 6' bar that it would get a little number upgrade.
Thanks for watching.
Really enjoy all of your videos Jack! Keep them coming. Would love to hear from you on this since you have run some Makita/Dolmar saws but any community help is fine. Having some hot start/run issues with a 7900. Any thoughts?
Are you choking it when it's hot, have to ask.
How does the saw act, flooding?
What elevation are you at.
Ps, I like some 7900/7910 action, smooth saws!
I pull the choke and then back in just to put it on high idle. That seems to help the first few times then I have to feather the throttle after that to get it started and keep it running. Seems like it could be a fuel starvation issue. Elevation is not an issue in the middle of South Carolina. I’m not a professional logger or mechanic by any means more of a hobbiest. This saw is a mut. Bought an old Home Depot 6421 and found a full 7900 top end (carb,piston,cylinder,muffler) that was a take off from a brand new saw and built this thing myself. You’re right it’s a smooth strong saw until it gets hot.
@@jstocker1103 yep, great saws, I have seven, 2 for parts, two 100% stock, 1 muffler modded, 2 ported, you could say I like them 😬.
I don't even put them on high idle when they are hot. One problem I have had is the fuel vent getting plugged, it happened on two of them. When it happened I removed the fuel line from the carb and fuel sprayed all over, reattached it and the problem went away. I have a good number of videos of them cutting cookies on my channel from testing chains or before I've sold others I've had, I really enjoy running them.
Brett Black I will offer your an eighth if I can’t get this figured out...Really want to get it fixed, I do like it just frustrating.
Jstocker hi.
Without knowing how old & amount of run time, how it's treated as far as maintenance, what your doing as far as fuel, how you store your equipment, etc., etc. it is hard for me to randomly have an opinion.
The other side of it is that it is almost impossible to tell a guy "how to fall a tree over the phone".
Guess we will await the input.
Thanks for watching.
That tree flew quite a ways for a large animal?
William hi.
It did. Around 25/30'. That was purposeful.
Thanks for watching.
Hi Jack, can you explain why you put such a deep face in? I have never went more than halfway I guess. Thanks
Jim;
The face went a little deeper on the near side when he corrected the gun, the off side is near 1/2 the way I see it.
If you get your apex slightly beyond center of mass, it'll require little to no wedge pounding to get it to go over.. at least that's why I'll go deep on my notch occasionally.
Gentlemen hi.
I talked about my reasoning for the face being put in this way during the dialog at the end.
The face is in a (mostly) round tree. It is either going to be a 1/3, 40%, 3/4 excetra when the faller is done with the adjustment/s. What I've found, it is way easier to go a little far on the side opposite first since a guy is usually finishing off the work on the good standing/better ground side.
If a tree leans opposite the intended direction of the shot, it will be harder to wedge the further (deeper) the face is. This will exemplified if the limb weight is also opposite the shot.
A 1/3 sized face give pretty good guidance control while allowing for a lot of leverage for the wedges if/when they are necessary. A 1/3 deep face cut does not always give the faller what he needs on the stump when attempting to get the tree to do certain things - either at the stump or in the air (which is a direct result of at the stump, yes).
In the end I needed a certain thing to happen and gnawed on the stump accordingly.
Thanks for watching.
What is the value of those logs?
Rick hi.
That depends upon the price at the mill. This strip had a lot of volume over a diameter break of 30 or 32" if I remember right. Those logs were a different price.
I'm not the owner. Not always privy to the contracts.
Somewhere around 5 grand standing is my best guess.
Thanks for watching.
That was some crazy chain speed on that 681, MiniMe as you call it. Was that pulling with a ten pin? Thanks for the video and keep up the great work.
d Hamby hi.
7 tooth. I run them mostly.
It is the tuning (and maybe a trick or two) on the saw that allows it to work at a much higher rpm level than they do in stock form.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101 😎
Darnit the audio is too poor now and summary isn't clear, now I'm gonna have to google to learn the deal of this 681 you speak of (there's....there's no way the 880 jugs bolt onto 660 chassis is there??) OMG If you knew if the 880 muffler fit the 660 exhaust-flange, I'd be forever grateful (the 880 muffler, w/ an enlarged exit hole of course, is about my fave design for box-style, ever!)
Joe - GoPro,,, in the case... People don't seem to understand. They are waterproof which means they are also sound proof to a degree.
YT is a hobby for me. I'm not trying to make a living off of it like some out there. Resultantly, nothing I do is perfect.
No need to "Google" it. To bad more folks don't just ask the creator.
The term is an off shoot from the 481 concept. A couple of the fallers I built saws for coined the phrase "481" after running in the woods felling timber. And yes, they had both run other's ported saws.
This is the saw that pulled the 72" bar with .404 chain. So, I parlayed it (81 concept) on over.
Same can be said for the term "zipp" or zippkit. That's indigenous to the NorCal Coast.
And Insane-O or Insane-o-ized, Psy-Ko or Psy-Ko-ized.
The Insane-O term came from another faller that used my saws. I tagged Psy-Ko and/or Psy-Ko-ized after thinking of some more radical saw I had devised at the same time.
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Is this considered a reverse Humbolt....?
yourneck2 hi. I consider it an overhand or farmer's face.
I posted a video several years ago that shows and discusses a little bit about a "Humboldt undercut" versus what people call a Humboldt face now.
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Do you let your saws warm up? If so how do you do it
Steve's small engine saloon covers this, search for "cold seizure"
Jake hi.
I've never had a cold seizure in a chainsaw personally.
With my work saws it was idle for a bit, depending upon the temperature at the time, maybe blast the throttle a few times and start sawing.
It's all subject to the current ambient air temp. A little longer when it's colder.
I've watched saw shop owners grab a saw off the self and start it. Give it a couple of short blasts and then wide open. I never noticed a seized saw. It was done that way for years too.
Some of it will depend upon the mix oil that is used, imho. The higher the quality the more forgiveness a guy will get.
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That's why you run synthetic oil, it has a higher flash point so it will go deeper into the combustion chamber before it burns off, it will take twice the heat of conventional oil
Cargo tool shop hi.
I'm on record, a multitude of times, "harpin' on" "get a top tier" mix oil.
Although I did spend a lot of years before switching to synthetic oil running one GREAT petroleum based mix.
The flash point/s of synthetic oil is not carté blanch 2x that of any petroleum/s version mix. It needs to be looked at on an individual, and, case by case basis.
Formula K2 for example is an awesome oil in a mo-chine that is water cooled, well imho anyway. It has a flash point well below (240° F) 1/2 that of the Motul RoadRace (525°F). The K2 also has a flash point that is over 200°F less than that of the Stihl 2-cycle high performance (orange bottle). The orange bottle 2-cycle high performance Stihl mix oil is petroleum based and actually has a flash point that is 4°F (432°) higher than the HP Ultra (428°F) which is fully synthetic.
I've seen some synthetics have a flash point below 200° F also.
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@@hotsaws101 What do you use for synthetic 2-stroke?
Jack...Is the MS681 a Beeler original? Bored/stroked to give a an extra 20cc? Inquiring minds would like to know!
Great job as always. Now you go back to building work saws!
Its probably a stroked 661. They run pretty strong, friend of mine has one, I ran it with a 404/24" cutting firewood lol.
Gentlemen hi - This saw is in the original, Factory configurement bore & stroke wise. It is an early version of my "patented" "Torque Tweak" though. Same saw seen pulling the 72" chain on the old Cannon. 199 drivers of .404 chain. So maybe 115/20 more drivers than a 24" bar. That is multiple pounds of chain too.
I stumbled across a video months ago of a supposed stroked 661. Tested against a supposed original equipment 661 if memory serves. Honestly, I cannot remember but, it seemed like they were both zipped. IDK the bar length, but it was longer. The stock fitment saw seemed to do better as I remember it, but it's been awhile like I said.
All things internal are working in concert. There is a little more to it than just stroking a saw imho. Tuning comes to mind 1st.
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@@hotsaws101 thanks for the response.
My buddies ran the stock electronic carb in the beginning, then they installed a standard carb and she perked up quite a bit.
Mine just has a muffler mod, great saw, I like it over a 395 because of the side tensioner on the 661.
Are you doing an oiler mod to run the longer bars, or just removing the pin.
When you cut the logs, is it exactly 20 feet or a little longer?
georgegave hi.
20' and less are considered short logs. They all (for the most part) get 6" of trim.
Logs 22' to 40' (for the most part) get 12" of trim. Logs over 40' (again, for the most part) get 18" of trim.
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Pullin the trigger on my first 100cc saw this week...$2000 cash for a 47” 880
arborist460 hi. Good deal. They are pretty doggy in stock from though. hope your happy with it.
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Why does the 681 sound like there’s a turbo on it
I think that's the chain. When you run them tight they whine like that
batmantiss why so tight
@@I53-624 ol Jack (hotsaws) made a pretty good video explaining his chain tension preference. I tried it and I'm not going back to a loose chain ever again! It keeps the angle of the teeth and rakers consistent around the nose and along the bar. Just open your oiler and let it rip
batmantiss I’ll try it man, how tight are you talking? Not able to pull on the chain with your fingers tight?
@@I53-624 not quite that tight. Dig around some of jacks videos, from a few (2) months ago, his shop videos. I tried it out on an ash, worked well, now im a believer
27:58 ...i saw that...
batmantiss hi.
I was there and missed it. Please enlighten me.
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@@hotsaws101 "walking the dog"...no school like the old school.
batmantiss hi.
I always thought that was walking the saw, lol. Things become routine after some years in the bush...
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Why the farmer face.. not production.
Stephan hi.
I bushel.
I'll use an overhand (farmer's) face, true Humboldt face, modified Humboldt face, a Saginaw (I call it a West Coast face sometimes), my "patanted" Funky Face, etc., etc. at any point, in any strip, on any tree that I need to do (or maybe not do) something in particular.
But, I'm particular and a lot of the time dealing with 4 to 10 or 12 thousand dollar trees.
There are different types of production cutters. It's not slways just dumping small trees, or not so valuable trees down the hill also.
Sometimes it's more about the quality of the work while still managing to get volume on the ground.
Well, imho anyway.
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hotsaws101 thanks for the reply. Was just asking because I grew up around falling.. I should be 3 gen but the old man kicked me out of the woods.. he fell in ak for years. All he taught was humbolt and Swanson. Oh and rusian cuppling. . Thanks again.
880 equals sore forarms.
That's way to deep of a face cut ,one day you'll have one slab on you and if your not really really fast and very alert your not going to get a secound chance brother !!!
Pretty sure it's not his first 😜.
What gives you the impression that he hasn't already learned that lesson?? And who says he minds staying alert, or ever intents to not be alert?
Dry and dusty.
Kyle hi.
Fall.
This is an uplift of old ocean bed soil - silt. So it is very fine.
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Better get some new glasses