Love the fact that Toyo actually developed Jiren's character, motivations and gave him a mysterious element, anime Jiren is barely a character, just a strong guy Goku must beat.
Betty Anime Jiren hasn't spoken over two lines of dialogue mate, we have no idea what his character and motivations are. In the manga Jiren is basically a powerful boy scout like Superman, he saves the day, he doesn't kill, he puts the safety of innocents above almost anything it seems, even at the face of complete annihilation, and yet there is something he wants which goes beyond even that, he probably wants to kill someone, that's the impression I'm getting, but who is deemed worthy of death by someone that puts justice on such a high pedestal, it might tie back to his backstory, that right there is interesting, there is room and incentive to explore his character more. Anime Jiren has none of that, from what I've gathered it seems as though he doesn't even care about justice or anything beyond fighting, he's a Pride Trooper for the thrill of it, nothing more.
christar1ful The stuff in the manga is stuff in the anime you could already assume in because well he's a pride trooper I wouldn't say this is some groundbreaking development lol
Jiren actually having some form of personality makes him such an even more likable character. He’s such a badass that he doesn’t care if his universe loses and is destroyed....that’s just “fate” to him
That's because Goku isn't a Superman expy. He's based on Sun Wukong, and the only similarity between Goku and Superman is that they're both aliens. The similarities between Goku and Sun Wukong are far more numerous than that of Goku and Superman.
I don't think so! Jiren was introduced as a godly character(powerful then destroyer). They did not intruduced him as a weak chatacter and made him powerful (e.g caulifla,kale). He was introduced as most powerful mortal. So, i don't think jiren is op .(just my opinion)
So it looks like my theory about Jiren might be correct, he isn't knocking everyone off because he doesn't want to feel responsible for destroying universes. I just wish we'd get info like this in the anime.
So jiren style is to wait for his opponents to come to him He doesnt kill He doesnt want to be a destroyer And he doesnt want to destroy other universes to save his own But DOES want a wish from the super dragon balls Very interesting
I wouldn't be sure about that: it's simply that Toriayam didn't remeber how many races and planets are in his universe, and just said 28 planets because more than that it would have seemed like a big number.
I've always wondered what happened with those stray ki blasts that always went out into space and never hit their targets. Wait... Oh so that's why there's only 28 planets XD
OneRandomVictory they took different approaches. In the anime we weren't sure of his power or how strong over toppo this is. If you didn't know from the anime that jiren was so strong this wouldn't have much meaning because toppo also beat Goku. It'd be Overkill to have jiren when what'd you want or think is that toppo is the obstacle.
Nice to actually see Jiren developed a little. This actually made me give a damn about who he is instead of just being some big meat stick for Goku to fight. The anime has developed him kinda poorly, in my opinion.
Theory, Jirens selfish wish is to have a warrior appear who can truly challenge him, making it possible that his wish is for filled before the tournaments end, because Goku will grant that wish. It would make sense if even his God of Destruction cant defeat him. If he's like Goku in anyway, he would probably be quite depressed in a sense that he can never have a real all out battle that pushes him to his absolute limits
Just saying this universe 11 scene should've been in the anime. Think of the layers that would've added to Jiren in the anime. During Dyspo, Kahseral, and Toppos fight with the Alien, Jiren arrives and just defeats it in one blow. During the fight we get a scene of Vermouth talking about Jiren and his desires Toppo tells him of the tournament Jiren refuses saying he wont destroy other Universes, Vermouth comes in tells Jiren of the wish.
This is why I kept telling people to be patient... jiren has only got the chance to showcase his power and we don't even know his back story and people are hopping calling him a bad character. let him be explained over time then make your own opinion
the manga doesnt excuse the anime poor money grabbing writing with plot holes inconsistent powerful levels ass pulls and lack of respect for the previous franchise
People just want to stick manga Jiren's personality to anime Jiren because anime Jiren is an utterly shallow character whose only purpose is to be another road block for Goku. As much shit as people like to give Toyo, he's made the two main Pride Troopers much better in the manga than the anime.
Sonic XXtrener lmao kales power is asspulled to hell I don't care what explanation they try and conjure up it won't take the bad taste of the mouths of alot of the fans
Jiren will wish for the work of the gods to end here! Easy! He doesn't want people to be controlled or killed by anyone. I'm sure he doesn't like seeing erased universe he's probably mad about that inside.
I thought they already clarified the 28 planets thing in the anime? While Beerus was sleeping he had left Freezer to do his job for him? Freezer had his army and Buu was just a maniac. It make sense. And Buu was destroying shit a long time before Freezer. So it add up.
Jeffrey Johnston yea freeza was and buu were running wild and destroying planets as well as the saiyans who were killing off entire planets as children
Peoples, did you'll know how many planets had intelligent life in their universe? As a matter of fact since we are comparing theirs to ours, do you know if there are any other intelligent life in our universe other than us? So in their case that scenario is not far from a possibility. It could be billions or even trillions of stars, but a hand full of inhabiting life let alone intelligent life forms in their universe.
I disagree with many comments here. People just want to stick manga Jiren's personality to anime Jiren because anime Jiren is an utterly shallow character whose only purpose is to be another road block for Goku. As much shit as people like to give Toyo, he's made the two main Pride Troopers much better in the manga than the anime.
That's debatable. We have no idea if the anime will flush out Jiren's character, and there's definitely a possibility for them to do so in the future. I'm not expecting a grand backstory on everyone. Something the anime does better is giving characters even minor ones whole episodes at a time to show of their character. Something the manga can't do with one chapter a mouth.
Prince Revolver the fact that we know nothing about jiren except his strength is really bad considering how long the arc has been. A better written show would have at least planted the seeds of intrigue with a personality a goal or something instead of nothing at all
We saw the fight with the gods (without holding back) and so what can we expect from the fight between Jiren and Goku? Nothing more. Manga is digging a hole. Thats what you get if you (Toyo) dont stick that much at the original draft of Toriyama.
@Geekdom101 Remember Frieza and Beerus and vegeta all went around destroying planets witch can be the cause to why we don’t have many planets with life in universe 7. Plus the sayian race went around completely wiping people and races out for money. So I know it sounds crazy but I believe this could be the reason why. Appreciate all your videos bro! Thanks for all the hard work you put into giving people the CORRECT information! Very much appreciated!
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This chapter pretty much spawned a theory that Jiren ends up being the victor of the ToP. And considering the Era of Peace saga in DBZ... IF Jiren did indeed win, that might imply that his wish ends up bringing back at least some of the destroyed universes, including U7.
Jaeger Alonso because one of these Universes are filled with evil people which is why they where destroyed to begin with. Hell it would be cool if these Universes have Dragon Ball Hero characters in the like Towa and Mira.
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universe 7 having only 28 planets with mortals doesn’t sounds stupid to me. I mean think about it, how many planets did frieza, the Saiyans, kid buu and beerus destroyed ?
Beerus was asleep for 38 years and he works WITH the Supreme Kais, not against them. I still think it makes sense though, nobody seems to remember that there can be more than one species that rules a planet, like there is on Earth
Even with all this Frieza destruction thing, an universe has zillions of stars, and even more planets. Think about Milky way, only our galaxy has around 200 billions stars and around 100.000 light years of diameter. And as far as our telecospes can see, there are hundreds of trillions of galaxies (and much more further, but we cannot see with our technology), some galaxies even bigger, much bigger than ours. No way an entire universe would only have 28 planets with intelligent life. You are understimating the size of an universe man!
Why is the 28 planets thing so hard to believe? Kid buu went on a rampage, the saiyans destroyed planets and Frieza eradicated millions. There's no Sadala or Vegeta...there's also Beerus blowing up 12-15 planets looking for Goku during BoGs.
Blogsanjay because you're not accounting for Kid Buu blowing up planets until he found Goku and Beerus blowing up planets until he found Goku. Also, Frieza having a thriving business doesn't necessarily mean that he owned an absurd amount of planets.
Geekdom, just correcting you on one thing. His wish does not go against his belief system, belmod was saiying that he would abandon even his belief in order to obtain his wish, which is clearly different.
Reckfullies Oh dont worry, i know what you meant. Its just that it does sound awful (as in, its awful that jiren would even kill for a wish, despite that he doesnt even kill innocent people).
17 didn't care about the wish when Goku first told him. He just randomly changed his mind and decided he wanted it at the end of the space poacher episode
Doesn't matter if Toyotaro changes only a little from the anime, this is good organic storytelling and he's not rushing through it like he when the manga first started. We should appreciate it for what it is. And Jiren actually has a personality and motivation, something the anime after 40-50 odd episodes has still failed to establish.
It does make sense that Universe 7 has a small number of planets with mortal life given the fact that up until 25-30 years prior to the start of the show, the universe was under a decades long conquest led by a alien tyrant with a penchant for destroying planets and a warrior race with almost as ichy trigger finger. Between the Freeza's rampages and that of his lackeys, it's not that dificult to assume that universe 7 was with multiple planets barren of life or just completely destroyed..
They said that jiren doesn’t like killing bad people. And that the wish he wants goes against everything he believes in so wouldn’t that mean his wish is to eliminate all evil?
When Jiren makes the wish, a violent rupture in space-time occurs in the world of void. The only thing that can be heard is one word, spoken with unprecedented fury: "NINGEN!!!", marking the return of the true savior.
@Geekdom101 hearing this im pretty sure Giren's wish will be to kill Zeno ( that is againts his no kill policy ) , but he wantss that so no more universes get in erasure danger , so its kinda for justice
Manuel Garay But Jiren is a good guy. He says he doesn't want people to be erased and just wants to protect his universe. Maybe he wants to bring back all the universes including the 6 destroyed previously
with saiyans and freeza cleaning planets and beerus destroying for food AND majin buu's rampage before and after the z fighter, am not impressed that only 28 planets are left with mortals
Yea I was just going to comment that, Saiyans, Frieza, King Cold and Buu all contributed to the destruction of planets, not to mention any other unmentioned threats before Goku's time
The manga answered your question geekdoom the reason why jiren dosnt go around knocking people of the arena is because he dosnt want to be responsible oh the distuction of a universe
It's still way too little: the universe is fucking huge, and could contain trillions of galaxies, with each galaxy containing trilliopns of planets. Besides, Frieza had many different races in his army.
not dumb at all, I mean the exempt universes are there for a reason too, def believe those universes or the angels from universes 13-18 could be involved in future arcs
Zgs Freaky yea they could be villain trying overthrow the omg king grand peist or even the universes because maybe the destroyed universe had tournament power if there own and mabey that's how they got destroy and idk it's a lot of theories
I know for a fact its statistically impossible for a universe to have only 25-26 planets with ANY life. The size of space is maybe not infinite, but it's constantly expanding, and it's beyond human comprehension.
This is a very important chapter @Geekdom101 perhaps Jiren in alternate universe is the more successful version of Goku (better fighter, that some Gods dream of being at his level), and it explains as much power he has in the world, it is not enough. Possibly just throwing it out there he wants peace/ no more fighters (which Vermood is against) just guessing? which maybe only the dragonballs can fulfill. Great work as always Geekdom
Regardless of Frieza and Buu destroying a lot of planets, 28 is still ridiculously low. We’re talking about a whole universe, with millions of galaxies and each galaxy with a lot of planets
Buu has existed since the beginning of time and freeza is like Millions of years old and Beerus is like Millions of year old the Destruction trio are very powerful
the 28 planets thing does start to make sense when you remember all of the mortal worlds kid buu blew up before catching goku and vegeta on supreme kais planet. time is relative, so buu could have been killing off planets for YEARS, while only minutes passed for goku and them. buu could of destroyed HUNDREDS of worlds.
See why didn't we have backstory on Jiren in the Anime? These panels make him way more likeable. I honestly hate him in the anime mainly because he's just some quiet guy who's strong as a god with no personality.
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This was handled WAY BETTER than the anime. I thought hiding the universe’s possible destruction was a silly story plot and it would have been amazing to see the manga version’s introduction of the Pride Troopers animated!
I mean... Which planets do we know have mortal life in U7? Earth, Namek, Yardrat, Tuffle (or whatever the planet is called, is it even still there?). And factor in that Freeza's army (including saiyans) and Majin Buu have torn through the universe. Through guessing there must be homeworlds to Freeza's race and whoever the people were who bought planets from him, to Babidi and his henchmen (Yakon's and Pui Pui's are worlds we know exist too) and to Freeza's forces. We saw a wide spread (race-wise) Freeza army appear in RoF. Unless they're all from the same world or all their planets have been blown up I think it's safe to logically conclude more than 28 planets. But really, there is no way of knowing. The problem is still, as with many MANY other occurences in DBS, that nothing is ever thoroughly explained (or even remotely). We, as fans and viewers, are more often than not left to head-canon when we try to make sense of it all.
This whole Goku is a savior thing is a cop out lmao ....goku had no clue what was going on all that he cared about was fighting strong guys...its like a guy robbing and shooting someone but not knowing that person they killed was a serial killer lmao
Goku has never been a savior or a hero. That never changed the fact that his actions can be viewed as heroic even if he wants to fight stronger people.
It's far ahead. Toriyama just gives a broad story outline, and the anime and manga give their versions of that story. The anime isn't based off the manga
Anime is ahead but the story is different. There are different writers on the projects. Toriyama gives an outline, and then the different writers follow that outline while adding their own unique elements to the story. So far the Manga is ALOT better than the anime in my opinion
maybe U7 wins the tournament by numbers, but Jiren gets the wish b/c he’s the most outstanding fighter. (but then that means U6 won’t be coming back) so then maybe U11 wins the tournament by numbers (Jiren and Toppo left), but Goku gets most outstanding fighter so he gets the wish. edit: i do hope Vegeta makes it to the end though, def one of my favorite characters.
frank24x i know. i’m just saying if U7 and U11 get to the end, one will win because of whoever has the most fighters left. but it was never stated that most outstanding fighter had to come from the winning universe. so technically they could still give outstanding fighter to someone and maybe they could wish for revival after erasure.
What if Jiren had a family that was killed so he became a pride trouper to protect people from sharing his fate but even now he would do anything to get his family back. If this is the case I want the final battle to be Gohan and Jiren and both refuse to knock the other out due to the fact that they have decided they won't continue to destroy other living things.
Why would Gohan of all people be fighting against Jiren? They are nowhere near the same tier. If it took Goku having Ultra Instinct then there is absolutely nothing Gohan can do outside of shining Jirens shoes.
Wow, Jiren actually has a personality in the Manga.
Love the fact that Toyo actually developed Jiren's character, motivations and gave him a mysterious element, anime Jiren is barely a character, just a strong guy Goku must beat.
they both are literally the same.....
Betty
Anime Jiren hasn't spoken over two lines of dialogue mate, we have no idea what his character and motivations are. In the manga Jiren is basically a powerful boy scout like Superman, he saves the day, he doesn't kill, he puts the safety of innocents above almost anything it seems, even at the face of complete annihilation, and yet there is something he wants which goes beyond even that, he probably wants to kill someone, that's the impression I'm getting, but who is deemed worthy of death by someone that puts justice on such a high pedestal, it might tie back to his backstory, that right there is interesting, there is room and incentive to explore his character more. Anime Jiren has none of that, from what I've gathered it seems as though he doesn't even care about justice or anything beyond fighting, he's a Pride Trooper for the thrill of it, nothing more.
christar1ful The stuff in the manga is stuff in the anime you could already assume in because well he's a pride trooper I wouldn't say this is some groundbreaking development lol
Exactly, they are pride troopers that's what the anime also stated. They save people.
He's a pride trooper, that already told me his motivation. Just use logic. They both are the same so far.
Seeing even a little bit of character development for Jiren is already making the manga better than the anime for this arc.
Another Dan Agreed.
Another Dan But... but... Jiren has character too in the anime, he has talked like 5 times. 5 whole times...
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Jiren actually having some form of personality makes him such an even more likable character. He’s such a badass that he doesn’t care if his universe loses and is destroyed....that’s just “fate” to him
Kill Taunt Kill kinda goes against saving people. And 17 had the same personality
It's not all there but so far Jiren has more of a personality in the Manga than the Anime. And he is more of a Superman Expy than Goku was.
That's because Goku isn't a Superman expy. He's based on Sun Wukong, and the only similarity between Goku and Superman is that they're both aliens. The similarities between Goku and Sun Wukong are far more numerous than that of Goku and Superman.
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I don't think so! Jiren was introduced as a godly character(powerful then destroyer).
They did not intruduced him as a weak chatacter and made him powerful (e.g caulifla,kale).
He was introduced as most powerful mortal.
So, i don't think jiren is op
.(just my opinion)
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So it looks like my theory about Jiren might be correct, he isn't knocking everyone off because he doesn't want to feel responsible for destroying universes. I just wish we'd get info like this in the anime.
How does that change anything. The universes are gonna be destroyed regardless of how anyone feels.
DeltaRaven I'm surprised Goku is okay with other universe's being destroyed.
I mean, there is only so much you can feel sorry for another universe when your own universe is the sub for them if you lose.
Or he might kill the fodder on accident
Suspense building
So jiren style is to wait for his opponents to come to him
He doesnt kill
He doesnt want to be a destroyer
And he doesnt want to destroy other universes to save his own
But DOES want a wish from the super dragon balls
Very interesting
WE WANTS WORLD PEACE
That's what i like about jiren. He is very mysterious.
He wants
Wait for it.......
LOVE AND PEACE
LOVE AND PEACE
He wants Justice lol
@@thetruth7105Yeah jiren is such a mysterious character.
if that crab monster is giving BOTH toppo and dyspo trouble then bring his ass to the tournament of power
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Yeah.
Nice one
It's like Guldo. A very weak character who was deadly due to their ability. In this case, paralysis gas probably countered their attempts.
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This Jiren is already much more interesting than anime Jiren.
28 planets might be setting the foundation for a merger with universe 6 or the rest.
I wouldn't be sure about that: it's simply that Toriayam didn't remeber how many races and planets are in his universe, and just said 28 planets because more than that it would have seemed like a big number.
Jiren special wish is to know the secret of Krabby patty formula
Super Vegito he's working for plankton it's probably his son
Super Vegito The Krabby Patty is the secret of the universe
I've always wondered what happened with those stray ki blasts that always went out into space and never hit their targets. Wait... Oh so that's why there's only 28 planets XD
Didn't Vegata Final Flash went into space?
MaxHinaNaru It probably just blew up a star.
That going wipe out a lot of planets.
THAT MAKES SENSE!!!
Manga has Jiren for 1 chapter and he’s already a better character than in the anime.
OneRandomVictory he only got a few pages of dialogue and you people are already jumping the gun
Those few pages have shown more of his motives and personality than we've seen in the past 20 or so episodes or Super.
+OneRandomVictory exactly. in the anime, hes judt a hollow, strong character
OneRandomVictory they took different approaches. In the anime we weren't sure of his power or how strong over toppo this is.
If you didn't know from the anime that jiren was so strong this wouldn't have much meaning because toppo also beat Goku.
It'd be Overkill to have jiren when what'd you want or think is that toppo is the obstacle.
Nice to actually see Jiren developed a little. This actually made me give a damn about who he is instead of just being some big meat stick for Goku to fight. The anime has developed him kinda poorly, in my opinion.
Gen Kaiba its not your opinion alone. so dont worry lol anime jiren is developed poorly is come nearer to fact..since the manga came up.
Gotta love the slaps over the head that Beerus gives Goku lol
Me too, i always love their scenes.
Theory, Jirens selfish wish is to have a warrior appear who can truly challenge him, making it possible that his wish is for filled before the tournaments end, because Goku will grant that wish. It would make sense if even his God of Destruction cant defeat him. If he's like Goku in anyway, he would probably be quite depressed in a sense that he can never have a real all out battle that pushes him to his absolute limits
Just saying this universe 11 scene should've been in the anime.
Think of the layers that would've added to Jiren in the anime.
During Dyspo, Kahseral, and Toppos fight with the Alien, Jiren arrives and just defeats it in one blow. During the fight we get a scene of Vermouth talking about Jiren and his desires
Toppo tells him of the tournament Jiren refuses saying he wont destroy other Universes, Vermouth comes in tells Jiren of the wish.
Spirits 2024 yes yes yes
Jiren in the Manga > Jiren in the Anime
D Saucey all of the dbs cast is better in the manga.
More like:
Everything in the manga > Everything in the anime
I feel like im the only one that prefers anime over manga. This goes for every anime i like too. Reguardless if the manga is better
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It's shit writing that puts Goku way above Vegeta just so Goku can be seen as more powerful.
This is why I kept telling people to be patient... jiren has only got the chance to showcase his power and we don't even know his back story and people are hopping calling him a bad character. let him be explained over time then make your own opinion
Not really since anime Jiren is completely different, and this is a fact. Is a plot device. Manga Jiren is better, but is basically a "super hero".
the manga doesnt excuse the anime poor money grabbing writing with plot holes inconsistent powerful levels ass pulls and lack of respect for the previous franchise
People just want to stick manga Jiren's personality to anime Jiren because anime Jiren is an utterly shallow character whose only purpose is to be another road block for Goku. As much shit as people like to give Toyo, he's made the two main Pride Troopers much better in the manga than the anime.
Sonic XXtrener lmao kales power is asspulled to hell I don't care what explanation they try and conjure up it won't take the bad taste of the mouths of alot of the fans
Darryl Ed Xavier I agree bro 200% I'm only talking about Jiren and jiren alone
Jiren is the man of steel
Jiren will wish for the work of the gods to end here! Easy! He doesn't want people to be controlled or killed by anyone. I'm sure he doesn't like seeing erased universe he's probably mad about that inside.
Jiren is Seth from Street Fighter 4.
Beerus was just giving Goku some zenkai boosts for the tournament.
Another Dan
No more Zenkais in the manga.
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Technically he should be just a grandson to you
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Manga Jiren > Anime Jiren
Hahah he looks like a made up superhero with his spiderman laserbeam
SilmeonMusic anime Jiren hasn’t even expressed much personality, chill
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Jiren's wish is obviously to know what Doctor Rota's ability is.
Amir shit Dr rota has to ask jiren permission to use his ability.
"That wish is beyond my power..."
Amir lmao
I thought they already clarified the 28 planets thing in the anime? While Beerus was sleeping he had left Freezer to do his job for him? Freezer had his army and Buu was just a maniac. It make sense. And Buu was destroying shit a long time before Freezer. So it add up.
Jeffrey Johnston yea freeza was and buu were running wild and destroying planets as well as the saiyans who were killing off entire planets as children
There are 100 billion stars on a glaxy and 100 billion galaxies in the universe. freiza and buu couldnt have done that much damage
Peoples, did you'll know how many planets had intelligent life in their universe? As a matter of fact since we are comparing theirs to ours, do you know if there are any other intelligent life in our universe other than us? So in their case that scenario is not far from a possibility. It could be billions or even trillions of stars, but a hand full of inhabiting life let alone intelligent life forms in their universe.
Jeffrey Johnston in dragonball, basically every planet has life on it
Hisham Shakdam really? When this was stated? Please send me a link. Because that's the first time i ever heard that one.
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I disagree with many comments here.
People just want to stick manga Jiren's personality to anime Jiren because anime Jiren is an utterly shallow character whose only purpose is to be another road block for Goku. As much shit as people like to give Toyo, he's made the two main Pride Troopers much better in the manga than the anime.
Reallyy you just saw 6 panels or so about them and thats your conclusion?
That's debatable. We have no idea if the anime will flush out Jiren's character, and there's definitely a possibility for them to do so in the future. I'm not expecting a grand backstory on everyone. Something the anime does better is giving characters even minor ones whole episodes at a time to show of their character. Something the manga can't do with one chapter a mouth.
Anime Jiren act as an asshole, so yeah, is different.
Prince Revolver the fact that we know nothing about jiren except his strength is really bad considering how long the arc has been. A better written show would have at least planted the seeds of intrigue with a personality a goal or something instead of nothing at all
We saw the fight with the gods (without holding back) and so what can we expect from the fight between Jiren and Goku? Nothing more. Manga is digging a hole. Thats what you get if you (Toyo) dont stick that much at the original draft of Toriyama.
@Geekdom101 Remember Frieza and Beerus and vegeta all went around destroying planets witch can be the cause to why we don’t have many planets with life in universe 7. Plus the sayian race went around completely wiping people and races out for money. So I know it sounds crazy but I believe this could be the reason why. Appreciate all your videos bro! Thanks for all the hard work you put into giving people the CORRECT information! Very much appreciated!
28 planets because of Frieza, Buu, and Beerus while Supreme Kai (especially after Buu fucked everyone up) has been slacking.
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This chapter pretty much spawned a theory that Jiren ends up being the victor of the ToP. And considering the Era of Peace saga in DBZ... IF Jiren did indeed win, that might imply that his wish ends up bringing back at least some of the destroyed universes, including U7.
How does that go against his beliefs though?
I would hate if U7 wins, it would be more interesting if goku's team lose for once.
+Jaeger Alonso: He might end up changing his mind about his wish. Given that he liked going up against Ultra Instinct Goku.
Jaeger Alonso because one of these Universes are filled with evil people which is why they where destroyed to begin with. Hell it would be cool if these Universes have Dragon Ball Hero characters in the like Towa and Mira.
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universe 7 having only 28 planets with mortals doesn’t sounds stupid to me. I mean think about it, how many planets did frieza, the Saiyans, kid buu and beerus destroyed ?
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Beerus was asleep for 38 years and he works WITH the Supreme Kais, not against them.
I still think it makes sense though, nobody seems to remember that there can be more than one species that rules a planet, like there is on Earth
Even with all this Frieza destruction thing, an universe has zillions of stars, and even more planets.
Think about Milky way, only our galaxy has around 200 billions stars and around 100.000 light years of diameter. And as far as our telecospes can see, there are hundreds of trillions of galaxies (and much more further, but we cannot see with our technology), some galaxies even bigger, much bigger than ours.
No way an entire universe would only have 28 planets with intelligent life. You are understimating the size of an universe man!
I like hearing how there is a low number of planets. Confirms how many planets Frieza, and his henchmen including Vegeta, and Buu blew up.
I feel like this explains why Jiren isn’t cleaning house in the tournament.
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Why is the 28 planets thing so hard to believe? Kid buu went on a rampage, the saiyans destroyed planets and Frieza eradicated millions. There's no Sadala or Vegeta...there's also Beerus blowing up 12-15 planets looking for Goku during BoGs.
Azad Mahmood over a trillion planets in the universe
Planets with mortals is the key word with how war driven universe 7 in with the sayians freeza kid buu ect
Wesley Smith a **sextillion*
if there are only 28 planets with mortals, how was Freeza's business thriving before he met Goku?
Blogsanjay because you're not accounting for Kid Buu blowing up planets until he found Goku and Beerus blowing up planets until he found Goku. Also, Frieza having a thriving business doesn't necessarily mean that he owned an absurd amount of planets.
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Geekdom, just correcting you on one thing. His wish does not go against his belief system, belmod was saiying that he would abandon even his belief in order to obtain his wish, which is clearly different.
So he is willing to kill to win the tournament and get his wish? That would make more sense
Reckfullies
Yes. But you made it sound awful bro lol. he is indirectly killing the universes.
Kenneth Latorre I was just talking about in general, he said he never kills anyone he fights.
Reckfullies
Oh dont worry, i know what you meant. Its just that it does sound awful (as in, its awful that jiren would even kill for a wish, despite that he doesnt even kill innocent people).
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Jiren's motivation is kinda the same to 17's in the anime. Both didn't give a shit until they were told about the wish.
17 didn't care about the wish when Goku first told him. He just randomly changed his mind and decided he wanted it at the end of the space poacher episode
The manga is getting better and better. I am always seem to enjoy reading these more then Super tbh.
Community Gamer read only this and don't watch the anime and see how hollow it is
Doesn't matter if Toyotaro changes only a little from the anime, this is good organic storytelling and he's not rushing through it like he when the manga first started. We should appreciate it for what it is. And Jiren actually has a personality and motivation, something the anime after 40-50 odd episodes has still failed to establish.
Belart Wright Occult Gaming the point is is the suspense and eeriness
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It does make sense that Universe 7 has a small number of planets with mortal life given the fact that up until 25-30 years prior to the start of the show, the universe was under a decades long conquest led by a alien tyrant with a penchant for destroying planets and a warrior race with almost as ichy trigger finger. Between the Freeza's rampages and that of his lackeys, it's not that dificult to assume that universe 7 was with multiple planets barren of life or just completely destroyed..
adalvarthepeaceful not to mention the destruction from buu
Dam the manga actually makes Jiren pretty interesting in JUST a few panels. Nice work Toyotaro!
28 planets with mortals ridiculous, more ridiculous than power levels?!
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Was surprised by the music in the end. Very nice touch
I think that Jiren will win the ToP and will wish all universes back.
Gives lots character to jiren. I keep getting a cold, serious vibe from jiren in the anime yet he sounds more humble and kind character in the manga
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They said that jiren doesn’t like killing bad people. And that the wish he wants goes against everything he believes in so wouldn’t that mean his wish is to eliminate all evil?
Prince in ya mammas dm's Jiren= a peaceful Zamasu?
Cryptid Fan woah you just blew my mind😂
to eliminate the gods or maybe even zeno. im looking forward find out
Emnos M yess that would be cool
When Jiren makes the wish, a violent rupture in space-time occurs in the world of void. The only thing that can be heard is one word, spoken with unprecedented fury: "NINGEN!!!", marking the return of the true savior.
I have a feeling that jiren is gonna save all the universe and bringing them back.
Cena vs hhh would be lit at surviour series
JOHN SAMUEL S smackdown are going to win
toya ، yeah. ....
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@Geekdom101 hearing this im pretty sure Giren's wish will be to kill Zeno ( that is againts his no kill policy ) , but he wantss that so no more universes get in erasure danger , so its kinda for justice
Manuel Garay But Jiren is a good guy.
He says he doesn't want people to be erased and just wants to protect his universe. Maybe he wants to bring back all the universes including the 6 destroyed previously
That is exactly what I was thinking :)
the thing is, it's said the wish Jiren wants is against his beliefs, so maybe it may be something that extreme
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with saiyans and freeza cleaning planets and beerus destroying for food AND majin buu's rampage before and after the z fighter, am not impressed that only 28 planets are left with mortals
Yea I was just going to comment that, Saiyans, Frieza, King Cold and Buu all contributed to the destruction of planets, not to mention any other unmentioned threats before Goku's time
Not to mention champa sneaking in universe 7 and destroying planets to find the super dragon balls
The manga answered your question geekdoom the reason why jiren dosnt go around knocking people of the arena is because he dosnt want to be responsible oh the distuction of a universe
27 mortal planets make sense considering frezza ruled a lot of them and destroyed many while beerus didnt care.
Buu also destroyed many...
Still way too little.
Only feels like thats way too little because of db GT where we see a lot of them, but considering only db, dbz and db super it's not that bad imo.
It's still way too little: the universe is fucking huge, and could contain trillions of galaxies, with each galaxy containing trilliopns of planets. Besides, Frieza had many different races in his army.
many races that he eventually blew up
Also have to remember there are many alien races in the show, but that does not mean their home planet still exists.
Let's cool off for a second, I think that what Shin meant was that there are 28 planets with strong fighters.
I know this dumb idea but I think the other angels that were supposedly on the destroy planets I think they second them for next ark or something
not dumb at all, I mean the exempt universes are there for a reason too, def believe those universes or the angels from universes 13-18 could be involved in future arcs
Zgs Freaky yea they could be villain trying overthrow the omg king grand peist or even the universes because maybe the destroyed universe had tournament power if there own and mabey that's how they got destroy and idk it's a lot of theories
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Maybe it's a logic error, they don't understand how galaxies and space works. Let's bump up that number to 250 planets.
Gunbeard_Samurai do you even know how our universe works in real life? if so then you should be a person with high IQ
I know for a fact its statistically impossible for a universe to have only 25-26 planets with ANY life. The size of space is maybe not infinite, but it's constantly expanding, and it's beyond human comprehension.
This is a very important chapter @Geekdom101 perhaps Jiren in alternate universe is the more successful version of Goku (better fighter, that some Gods dream of being at his level), and it explains as much power he has in the world, it is not enough. Possibly just throwing it out there he wants peace/ no more fighters (which Vermood is against) just guessing? which maybe only the dragonballs can fulfill. Great work as always Geekdom
Regardless of Frieza and Buu destroying a lot of planets, 28 is still ridiculously low. We’re talking about a whole universe, with millions of galaxies and each galaxy with a lot of planets
Buu has existed since the beginning of time and freeza is like Millions of years old and Beerus is like Millions of year old the Destruction trio are very powerful
jiren is completely different in manga wow m amazed.
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spongebob-roundpants you were watching alpha 's video?
Dude, wrong channel.
Toyōtaro is art goals incarnate tbh
the 28 planets thing does start to make sense when you remember all of the mortal worlds kid buu blew up before catching goku and vegeta on supreme kais planet. time is relative, so buu could have been killing off planets for YEARS, while only minutes passed for goku and them. buu could of destroyed HUNDREDS of worlds.
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dont forget frieza's rampage and all that destruction and there where no kai's to train shin so how could he create life
It's Belmod... BELMOD.... Lol that's it though, other than that awesome review dude! And yeah this chapter was fire!
Jiren vs Superman would be some legit shit
Mimik no Goku by himself already about everything superman
This makes me want a Universe 11 arc after the tournament! I wanna see Jiren and the Pride troopers saving the day 😂
See why didn't we have backstory on Jiren in the Anime? These panels make him way more likeable. I honestly hate him in the anime mainly because he's just some quiet guy who's strong as a god with no personality.
If they add another episode of jiren in filler before top...u would troll toei for too many fillers..lol
Akhil tamarapalli not really. I really dislike Jiren because they made him the next big thing. If they did one episode of backstory it would be fine.
NyQuiiL Cold & Flu he has 17s story
Goku is on the brink of wiping out the saiyan race
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I'm confused. What happened to Bulma?
King Ty the lady who was giving the voicr of bulma..she died..today.. Search it
King Ty her japanese voice actress died on november 16th, she died due to an illness she had.
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It sounds dumb to have only 28 planets with life in universe 7, but dont forget uni 7 had galagtic level genocides multiple times before.
I believe they didnt go outside of north quadrant.
This was handled WAY BETTER than the anime. I thought hiding the universe’s possible destruction was a silly story plot and it would have been amazing to see the manga version’s introduction of the Pride Troopers animated!
I mean... Which planets do we know have mortal life in U7? Earth, Namek, Yardrat, Tuffle (or whatever the planet is called, is it even still there?). And factor in that Freeza's army (including saiyans) and Majin Buu have torn through the universe. Through guessing there must be homeworlds to Freeza's race and whoever the people were who bought planets from him, to Babidi and his henchmen (Yakon's and Pui Pui's are worlds we know exist too) and to Freeza's forces.
We saw a wide spread (race-wise) Freeza army appear in RoF. Unless they're all from the same world or all their planets have been blown up I think it's safe to logically conclude more than 28 planets. But really, there is no way of knowing. The problem is still, as with many MANY other occurences in DBS, that nothing is ever thoroughly explained (or even remotely). We, as fans and viewers, are more often than not left to head-canon when we try to make sense of it all.
If Whis could speed up the birthing process, Vegeta could actually restore the Saiyan race with Bulma.
This whole Goku is a savior thing is a cop out lmao ....goku had no clue what was going on all that he cared about was fighting strong guys...its like a guy robbing and shooting someone but not knowing that person they killed was a serial killer lmao
Monarch57 lol treu
Monarch57 very good analogy .in b4 gokutards
Monarch57 Not the same thing. The universes were doomed before Goku said anything.
Goku has never been a savior or a hero. That never changed the fact that his actions can be viewed as heroic even if he wants to fight stronger people.
Peter Parker exactly but Goku did NOT know that which is stupid to put him into a hero light
I would love if Vegeta ended up being the one with the wish. Could be big for his character to see his wish is to revive the other universes
Wait, is the anime ahead of the manga?
Autodite haha
yes the anime is ahead
It's far ahead. Toriyama just gives a broad story outline, and the anime and manga give their versions of that story. The anime isn't based off the manga
No Kappa
Anime is ahead but the story is different. There are different writers on the projects. Toriyama gives an outline, and then the different writers follow that outline while adding their own unique elements to the story. So far the Manga is ALOT better than the anime in my opinion
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maybe U7 wins the tournament by numbers, but Jiren gets the wish b/c he’s the most outstanding fighter.
(but then that means U6 won’t be coming back)
so then maybe U11 wins the tournament by numbers (Jiren and Toppo left), but Goku gets most outstanding fighter so he gets the wish.
edit: i do hope Vegeta makes it to the end though, def one of my favorite characters.
FROM THE VAULT bruh the losers get erased
frank24x i know. i’m just saying if U7 and U11 get to the end, one will win because of whoever has the most fighters left. but it was never stated that most outstanding fighter had to come from the winning universe. so technically they could still give outstanding fighter to someone and maybe they could wish for revival after erasure.
both zenos drool themselves over goku, so, i can see that happening.
I like the way the manga introduces Jiren it gives him more character development than the anime
What if Jiren had a family that was killed so he became a pride trouper to protect people from sharing his fate but even now he would do anything to get his family back. If this is the case I want the final battle to be Gohan and Jiren and both refuse to knock the other out due to the fact that they have decided they won't continue to destroy other living things.
Liam McFarlin this is what I thought. At least something along the same lines. Changing fate goes against his belief s
Why would Gohan of all people be fighting against Jiren? They are nowhere near the same tier. If it took Goku having Ultra Instinct then there is absolutely nothing Gohan can do outside of shining Jirens shoes.