This review was done more like BULLET POINTS style, just discussing what I found interesting in the story of this chapter. I did a full summary video for the story start to finish here - ruclips.net/video/hEok5_6M1UQ/видео.html
Bro how do you ready these chapters before there are able to read online? I want to read the chapter before you put these out but I swear it is always a day before. Can you help a brotha out man?
I feel like this arc was around Vegeta more than Goku. The moment when he apologized to the Namekians, that's when it felt like Vegeta was going to do more than Goku.
When whis is talking about angels not interfering, beerus says he wants to go for tasty food. Then whis says to merus that it's up to the gods of destruction or the Lord of Lords to decide when to intervene. Maybe beerus wants tasty food so he can go to earth, potentially helping against moro but not admitting it yet?
People are forgetting how awesome Gohan and Piccolo were against Seven-Three, who is more than just a minion, he’s pretty much the secondary big baddie. It sucks that they didn’t do more against Moro, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that they did NOTHING in this arc. Toyotaro gave more attention to the side characters than Toei has in years.
Honestly a part of me would love to see Vegeta give MORO a sensu bean... And then kick his ass. But unlike with Goku and Cell there are too many variables and too little known.
@@priestesslucy you're overestimating vegeta way too much with that. He'd just get the cell treatment again if he did so. Stop trying to make him goku. Goku's vision goes far beyond than vegeta's.
@@maximillian7310 I don't like Goku as a character. I haven't liked him since the Saiyan Saga ended. The only reason I would ever have any character imitate Goku would be to make fun of him. No, I'm not exactly a Vegeta fangirl either. His arc basically concluded in Battle of Gods, but he's still a better character than adult Goku lol.
@@handzofstone1152 butthurt? Why tho? I've been watching db since 2006 and the most likely outcome of this is gonna be goku taking the win with true ui with vegeta's major assist. Db is the only anime I've ever watched and i can figure out that much atleast. Nothing for me to be butthurt and it's not like i hate or even dislike vegeta. What makes me mad is people shit on goku for who he is but would love to switch goku and vegeta's role if they ever got a chance... Vegeta imitating goku's entrance using instant teleportation, him giving his enemy a senzu bean etc.
Yea that was gangster. The only line I like better is when he asks the Android's if a machine could feel fear right before he went super Saiyan for the first time in the show
Imagine if the writers decided to allow Vegeta to get the next couple of wins against major villains that Goku couldn't beat and we can see how it gets under Goku's skin and affects his character and makes him question his strength. Would be an interesting direction to take the series.
Goku has only defeated Frieza twice and then Buu if you want to count that (the nature of the Spirit Bomb makes it so it was more so the people of Earth) on his own.
@@KaizaBLK That's true, there were a lot of technicalities in that second Frieza fight. And I almost forgot to consider Dragon Ball, lol thanks for reminding me about King Piccolo and Piccolo. I guess you could count the Red Red Ribbon Army too.
Geekdom101 seems to have misunderstood the end. Vegeta didn’t say he has a technique that surpasses UI. He simply affirmed Son Goku he doesn’t plan to use the instant transmission again and that he learned a better technique. Obviously, it’s still our classic cocky Vegeta who came all overconfident and has some new tricks up his sleeve, he may have even surpassed Son Goku, it’s just not what he said at that point.
You guys don't understand how disappointing it would be for vegeta to surpass UI after all of that build up just for it to be nerfed. Terrible writing once again.
9:08 Vegeta said he has a technique far superior than INSTANT Teleportation. he wasn't referring to Ultra Instinct. Goku pointed out asking if he just used instant teleportation, Vegeta said he had something better. however you said in your video Vegeta referred to having something better than UI. You misunderstood IMO
Vegeta’s new ability appears to be an energy drain technique. When we first see him, he executes the move and the Yardratians appear fatigued. Then Pyabara restores their energy, which suggests that they had their energy drained. It makes thematic sense that a technique that is virtually identical to Moro’s would be his own undoing. If this is the case, it explains how Vegeta can be confident vs Moro even when he doesn’t appear any more powerful: if he can drain Moro, he may be able to use that to power up more as he fights.
MgHerbo maybe it’s like fusion, he doesn’t like fusing but he will if it’s against a fused enemy. In this case energy draining would just level the playing field. Who knows if he’ll use it after that.
@@TheGOAT_7 Would it really though? Vegeta's mini character arc starting from the Tournament of Power seems to be finding his own equivalent to Ultra Instinct which involves lots of hard work and utilizing his years of actual combat experience to learn things that Goku would have a hard time with. Vegeta seems to have succeeded in his Yardrat training far faster than Goku and mastered Spirit Training to a significantly higher degree. It doesn't seem out of character to learn a technique that can drain enemy Chi as it would provide him a direct counter to people who are simply stronger than him (the same way ultra instinct was able to combat Jiren's massive power). It also helps that Vegeta is also going to be capable of outputting MASSIVE chi attacks with little strain on stamina as shown while he was training. Buffing himself while weakening an enemy sounds good to me.
This is exactly what I thought! I get the feeling Toyotaro will use the old trope of Vegeta seemingly getting stronger and stronger as the fight progresses but in reality Moro will slowly and subtly have his energy drained.
@@PlushMaker400 the Yardrat's trash can are so pretty wtf my trash can looks like it's about to get thrown in along with the trash into the garbage truck. lmao
Dude they literally have been doing stuff since at least the TOP. Your problem is purely emotional, would it be better for them to get stomped and still do nothing? At least this way if something needs to happen they can help, also they will literally just make Moro stronger. For your Whis statement he said “Excessive meddling” That to me means that he knows they have helped before but they shouldn’t do it to much because they aren’t supposed to. Doesn’t come off as hypocritical, it’s comes off as someone trying to follow the rules after the first time he broke it.
While of course I want Piccolo and Gohan to fight more, it makes logical sense for them to step back. Also, they both had a lot of good fights this arc is Seven-Three twice and against Saganbo. They could definitely do more in future arcs, but I'm content with the action they had this arc
I reckon it’ll be a repeat of the buu saga. Goku uses omen to buy time for vegeta to charge up his secret technique to leave moro powerless, like the yardrats
6:20 - “Vegeta’s actions were far worse and reckless in Z”? Cell Saga: Vegeta - let cell go perfect Goku- gives perfect cell a goddam senzu bean BUU SAGA: Vegeta - Helped resurrect Buu Goku- let fat buu live when he stated himself that he could’ve defeated him in SS3 Looks equally reckless to me...
Goku had a solid plan in Gohan gaining SS2 from Cell enraging him. Unlike Vegeta, Goku compared them ahead of time and knew Gohan would come out on top (remember when he teleported to Cell after leaving the Chamber and asked Korin to compare himself to Cell?). He even fought Cell before Gohan to give his Son an advantage of seeing how the enemy fights. Plus Goku was setting up Gohan as his successor. Wanting him to reach the next level and get the win. Becoming Earth's top hero. It can even be argued that the Senzu bean had no negative consequence whatsoever. Given Gohan was the only one who could beat Cell. Yet he wouldn't even beat the somewhat weakened Cell unless he achieved SS2. Goku played Cell to build up Gohan. He wasn't being reckless at all. Vegeta on the otherhand came in cocky and ignorant of Cell. He in no way was able to guage Perfect Cell. As for Buu, once again Goku was setting the stage. Except this time the kids messed things up by goofing around too much. Without Goku being around as a fail safe (ultimately saved Gohan from Cell when he got too cocky).
They have teased the power of this new technique for so long now, as such I’m convinced Vegeta is about to propel DB to a whole new power scale. That being the power of battle tactics!
@@TheRealObi-wanKenobi lol he have me so lost.. Jiren was technically a tactician and technique fighter and let's face it he rocked that TOP. So IMO this would be cool Vegeta has always been the better tactician and technique guy. He just always followed Goku😅want to do what he does smh..hope he branches off and becomes his true and only Equal
Everyone has to remember that vegeta was stronger than Goku from the start. The kaio ken is what gave goku the edge. That means vegeta should have surpassed Goku at least a few more times than he already has since he didn't have any multiplying technique and was still able to keep up.
I always said that if Goku didn't have many "techniques" in his arsenal, Vegeta would be able to be stronger than him. The only bag thing about Vegeta is that he only thinks about power. That alone won't help him win he definitely needed something else, glad to see he finally gets something
I guess you forgot about the Buu Saga lol. Vegeta literally said "Kakarott you're the best always have been. And you always will be." But I think it would be cool if Vegeta got the win here. But dude you should know if you've watched the show enough. Or read through Mangas it never is this cut and dry bro. I don't think Vegeta is gonna rely on strength to win this. Yea he will use his power but the techniques are gonna be the key. And in my opinion I don't think he will get the solo W. As much as I hate to admit it I think it's gonna still be Goku or Merus in the end. If Goku was layed out unconcious right now. I'd see the likely hood of Vegeta winning solo more. But Goku isn't beat all the way down yet. Plus 73 is still around to steal Vegetas abilities later on if need be. Just to many scenarios to get my hopes up to high that Vegeta will win this.
I liked the fact that Vegeta was willing to seek help from the Yardrats (something he'd never usually do), this was spurred on because he felt weak for not being able to protect the Namekians, the same Namekians that saved/protected him even though he once slaughtered their race. Seeing the Namekians fall again brought back bad memories, not just of Frieza, but of his old self. Like Vegeta himself pretty much said, he needed to make things right, that's what fuelled his progress, and not just his usual want for power, and not even just him wanting to protect his loved ones. His need to atone is what fuelled his progress, and now he's reached a whole new level, surpassing Goku and even Jiren, becoming the strongest mortal......KING VEGETA!!!!!!!!!
Shreyas Chaturvedi that was old Goku. Ever since leaving Namek, Goku’s legit been all about power. What did Goku do while he was in the room of spirit and time? Perfect Super Saiyan for more power. What did he do while he was dead? Work on a new Super Saiyan form. He didn’t really bust out any new techniques, he just worked on getting stronger.
Jeebz3000 The genius comes in Goku realizing that he needs to let his body adjust to the first Super Saiyan Form in order to go to the next level. Nobody but him realized this and it shows Goku's genius. He didn't use the room of spirit and time for another transformation, but to improve and master Super Saiyan 1.
I suspect something we'll see is, when Moro is pushed to the limit, he'll re-take all of the power he shared with his pirate minions for a final power-up (and hopefully a power-stressed type transformation, I love those).
Bruh, just use the Mafuba. "Nooo! You can't just defeat a new villan just like that! Vegeta needs to gain a new technique and have character development!" haha, technique go fwwush.
I’m getting tired of “stamina” being the end all for nerfs in Dragonball super. Toriyama killed off SSJ3 with that BS and then made SS Blue suffer the same fate. Why ascend to higher levels if stamina is always going to be a problem? That time would be better spent perfecting a lower form and pushing its ceiling higher because they consume less energy anyway.
Because it would be fucking terrible to have Goku use the technique of the Gods with no restrictions, there would be zero tension or drama for the rest of DB.
stamina is only a problem at the beginning. Goku mentions post-namek that it took him a while to eventually be able to transform into SSJ1 consistently and again mentions that he and Gohan trained to keep their mastered SSJ1 state active for longer so that they can maximize stamina and such. Also at least in the manga, SSJ God is exactly what you're looking for: Goku and Vegeta use SSJ God for the lower stamina consumption but still large increase in power plenty of times. This is even a big point of the rematch between Vegeta and Goku Black.
I could be remembering it wrong, Ill re watch it later, but in Resurrection F Beerus gave Whis the command to reverse time. Which still makes sense to what Whis was talking about in todays chapter, which was only Beerus(God of Destruction)and the Omni King(God of Everything)can make choices of intervening in mortal affairs...
That look that Moro gave Vegeta when Vegeta dashed at him reminded me of the same look Goku Black gave trunks after Trunks transformed into SSR in the anime. Anyone else get that vibe?
I personally think the back & forth between Merus & Whis was more so a foreshadowing. He mentioned the Angel's but also hinted that the God's can intervene. Beerus following up with him being hungry leads me to believe they'll go to earth. Probably watch, but there's a possibility we could see a serious Beerus step in I also love how Vegeta only learned Instant teleportation just for the sake of a great entrance lol
I really feel as though Piccolo deserves better treatment by Toyotaro/Toei/Toriyama. Him and Gohan did put in solid work against Seven-Three, but one thing that REALLY bothered me about Super was how attached to the hip Gohan and Piccolo were to each other. Dare I say, Piccolo has become too dependent on Gohan. I hope maybe Piccolo could train with Whis and learn to manipulate God Ki as well and Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo could be the monster trio of the Z Fighters.
It would be nice but unfortunately I think that ship has sailed. With his different moveset it would be cool to see him up against some of the major villains style wise.
@@charleswalker3833 is right, the power ship for Piccolo is gone. But, he is a fan favorite and it would be absolutely amazing to see him get his shine, last bit he got that was truly jaw dropping was his fight with 17. Personally is like to see him become a Kai of some sort
This was a fantastic chapter, particularly enjoyed Vegeta's arrival. That said, as long as Mastered Ultra Instinct/True Ultra Instinct is in play, fans of Vegeta should remain cautiously optimistic. They may not give him the final blow. Vegeta fans shouldn't blow their load too early.
I feel like they are going to give goku the win he's gonna master that UI shit! Im hoping they don't but if they do that and give goku the win im done with this show.
Bruh you saw that too?!?! Goku was “suppose” to go UI in this chapter. The fact that he didn’t and the fact that Vegeta arrived before UI bothers me ....it bothers me A LOT.
I think Vegeta’s power could be a phase in / phase out state ( Kitty Pryde style ) of his own body that would enable him to not only not get absorbed energy wise, but also avoid hit damage during a fight , and have the upper hand.
Geekdom, you literally said it yourself. Gohan and Piccolo would get their energy stolen so why tf would they risk their lives to fight for no reason instead of the androids. And also Beerus asked Whis to restore Earth because of its tasty food, and Whis is bound to serve Lord Beerus. You literally say all of this but you still are bugged out?
Toyotaro is the writer, he can literally do anything he wants (like giving vegeta a one-off instant transmission). Could have written hogan and piccolo to figure something out and help in some way. Make them get goku to safety block an attack or something. Spam solar flare from a distance, anything.
I think when he says he learned "a far superior technique" he's talking in comparison to instant teleportation not ultra instinct. He sees instant teleportation as Goku's thing, but now he has his own technique.
@@marsinsesay1538 no, his power level was low at birth so he was not a prodigy. And who would of thought that a kid who grew up learning martial arts from the student of Roshi and is a from a warrior race that are known for the potential power would learn a technique quickly.
@@marsinsesay1538 Vegeta was the priodigy who was supposed to be superior to everyone due to his heritage, but he evolved into the hard working fighter.
Matt I. Exactly, the Broly movie exposes this. But people always ignore this when I mention it, so I just gave up until people with common sense would listen.
9:00 Umm he doesn’t state he has a technique superior to Ui he says he has a technique superior to instant transmission because when Goku says “did u use instant transmission” he says he doesn’t wanna use goku’s signature technique( which would instant transmission since he had it since the android Saga) and he said use it “again” which means he used it before( he hasn’t used UI before but he did just use instant transmission) and he said he has a technique to surpass that not Ui( I’m aware the technique will make him more useful to fight Moro than Goku but i doubt he was refering to Ui because it’s used by Beings like the angels which if they were to use UI on Vegeta He would definitely lose)
I think that the new Vegeta's technique will be a sort of mafuba technique. If you look at one of the last panels of chap.60 you will see that vegeta seems to have trained on "other people". The new technique will be focused on blocking someone and deplete him of his energy I suppose.
Talk about great storytelling within the years, it’s crazy to think I didn’t like Vegeta at all growing up as a kid during the Z arc and really wasn’t interested in him but they did such a fantastic job throughout the years with Vegeta character development and wasn’t force, it was a genuine, natural development which he became more and more relatable. Vegeta became one of my favorites if not my favorite character in dragon ball now and caught me really rooting for him to finally have his moment he deserves. Goku still my guy but Vegeta I can relate to more now because of how far he come. Vegeta got to be one of the best if not the best character development in anime/manga history...
I think Moro is going to beat Vegeta as well and then Beerus is going to pop up. He finally seemed to be interested towards the end of Whis's conversation. I think we're going to get the reveal Moro was a God of destruction. He seems to know alot about the gods
@@hunnidshottas1808 no bro you read what wilcox said wrong... Hes saying that vegeta's technique that he learnt is superipr to instant transmission lol
I knew he wouldn’t hold on to instant transmission i dont get why people complain before The actual even comes out 🤦🏾♂️ . If you’re reading this and were one of those complainers well...
Because narratively speaking it doesn’t make sense at all. In the first half of the chapter the yardrat says he can’t take Vegeta there. Vegeta is someone who wants to do things differently from Goku and in this case he seemingly had to learn it but then the yardrat finally decides to take him anyway. So without being OOC Vegeta should’ve just accepted the help but no he does it himself and then says well I won’t use it anymore. That’s actually retarded narratively speaking.
Brandon Smith For all we know him being able to learn it quickly would confirm that he is also adept with whichever new technique he has. Its not like he is using it in battle like he would have if he learned UI which is something he didnt want to learn because of what you said of him not wanting to do things the same as Goku
I like that you emphasize that it seems Vegeta is poised to be the hero. Although Gohu could come back and help. I also think it should be more than the Goku and Vegeta show. I think by now they should showcase all of that untapped power in Gohan. It would be nice if they let him leave earth for a while and train with someone we would never think to pair him with. God Job with the kids keep it up.
Gohan and Piccolo are not stupid. Seems more of a personal issue to you about not seeing Piccolo and Gohan being on the sidelines. There is no point and getting involved knowing they'd do more harm than good. 17 is arguably Gohan level and has an upper hand having artificial energy along with 18 and infinite stamina.
Likely outcomes: 1) Vegeta defeats Moro single handedly. 2) 73 teams up with Goku, Vegeta, and Androids to defeat Moro. 3) Beerus comes and defeats Moro. 4) Merus comes and defeats Moro and is erased.
From what i got from the tournament of POWER, UI omen is almost exclusively for defense, thats why is imperfect. But clearly gokus been getting his as whooped, so I think thats what he means.
@@CalebUncut that is not true at all. sign is unstable not " defensive " and this is not fully as consistent as ui. plus it also drains stamina so the longer you stay in full power the weaker you get. thats it
I'm calling it here, Vegeta learned instantaneous movement offensive/defensive which don't rely on tapping into MUI. Would make sense because originally instant transmission, a move that teleports you anywhere by sensing Ki in the location. Put that situation in a fighting sense where you're reading ki movements, and perhaps possibly delivering instantaneous blows. Idk just a theory.
The way Vegeta is talking, makes me feel like he’s going to get his ass beat in the end lol. I can totally see Goku stepping in and them having to fuse to beat Moro (which would be annoying)
@@mayhulk7514 agreed, they did omen so dirty even if it's still the lesser form, at least that way with MUI, it would be a way for Goku to redeem himself
There is a good chance that Whis isn’t worried because he knows about Vegetas trainining. Who’s always keeps an eye Vegeta and Goku with his staff in moments like these
Knowing what I know and seen in DB history, Vegetas new technique will initially seem to give him the upper hand against Moro, Moro will find a way to tank through it and then it’ll be MUI Goku + Vegetas new technique that will ultimately bring Moro down
Gohan and piccolo did have there shine in this arc, however, I do agree it should be more. Maybe in the next upcoming arc that all changes along with majin buu getting some true training.
I was thinking for a while that 7-3 would steal Vegeta's new techniques (which I still think will probably happen). However, does anybody think 7-3 might have some special abilities we don't know about? For example, I can stretch my imagination to see a Moro / 7-3 fusion or something like that.
The would be 100x worse than if they never made us think that Vegeta would affect the fight... Im scared because 73 is still there... If he takes out Vegeta with a cheap shot I will be PISSED
How is this the Goku and Vegeta show, if 17 won the tournament of power due to being the last man standing, and now both 18 and 17 are yet again playing a major role? I think a lot of you wanted this to be the Goku and Gohan show, and that’s what your upset about. Well other than personality, what’s the difference in story telling whether it’s Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan? Saiyans power up to a new level, and defeat their enemies. Well with a character like 17, there’s so many ways you can go with it. The androids are very different then the rest of the cast, and I’m sure as story teller, that’s very interesting to play with. I think this show needs a cool, quiet, and mysterious character like 17. I also like that an earthling more or less can compete with Gods, vs always having to really on Siayans.
No new universe has been revived 17 wished for all the universe that were destroyed during the top also meerus was in training lomg ago before top .. But i like ur theory
@@supersaiyanblack7447 actually a lot of theories point towards all the universes being revived because 17 never specially stated to only bring back the universes erased in the TOP. He just wished back all the erased universes.
Think it's interesting how Goku can mix UI sign with his ssjb aura to bring forth a powerup (not significant). It shows that you can combine ssj power/aura with UI if the user wanted to. Assuming the same goes with kaioken, though in a mastered state it shouldn't be needed.
... thats not what he meant when he was referring to won stela his move... he was talking about the instant transmission not the UI ... cant people even read now? ...
I think Vegeta's new technique is the ability to absorb energy. think about it when he was on yardrat we're not many a yardianians laying on the ground seemingly out of energy? would be a perfect counter to moro though??? just my thoughts could be wrong
technically, you are wrong. Vegeta mentions during the ToP that Ultra Instinct just isn't his style and he's gonna look for his equivalent. Him getting a technique that surpasses UI Omen/sign and is roughly equal to MUI wouldn't be out of the question.
I don't think vegeta is beyond ultra instinct but his base form is just so much more powerful than gokus at this point! And we all know what a high base battle power does to your transformations right?
I’m surprised how no one said how vegeta could be fighting off his old demons example Moro is like the devil and Vegeta use to be evil but later turned good maybe this could be his final closure and leaving that lifestyle behind with this victory just my theory
Then he comes to Earth via IT and says hes never gonna use it again cause its Goku's move, then proceeds to give the cursed pose to Moro and brags that he's the most powerful being that standing there. Yeah Vegeta's gotten over some demons for sure, but his cocky ego apparently not(his downfall in all of Z)
Moro is most likely getting another wish. Nobody is on the lookout except Dende, Mr. Popo, Seven-Three, and Shimorekka. I don't doubt he'll get another wish.
It seems like Meerus was an angel in training, or a novice angel. I have a feeling Beerus is going to ask Whis to bring him to earth to get food at some point. Whis did mention they can only interfere if their god of destruction asks them too, or the Grand Priest does.
5:13 after rewatching that scene it was beerus who told whis to rewind time,whis didn't do it out of his own free will but rather a order from his God of destruction
@@terminalarch6767 He's doing the pose he always does before getting royally fucked, he did it against Cell and he did it againts his first round against Black... Also knowing how big of an annoying fanboy Toyotaro is he's most likely not setting up for Vegeta to get the win but just to reference the movies. Vegeta shows up talking shit in these dramatic as hell entrances... More often than not after Goku is getting beat up just to also get beat up as well. What i think will happen is that Vegeta is going to loose but at the same time he'll do something to nerf Moro and the arc will end with Gogeta vs Moro because Toyotaro is kinda already borrowing from Heroes... And because he couldn't do Gogeta for the Manga adaptation of Broly... because it kinda wasn't one.
@@diegomedina9637 bro that will fuck things up 😧 i Don't wanna end this arc like this I have higher expectations for this arc maybe Gohan could also do something .
A couple of things: I feel like it's just... y'know logical that Piccolo and Gohan wouldn't jump in. They know they don't stand a chance and could have their energy drained at any moment. I don't really see the cheerleader thing too much here. There's a bit of it, but it's not written horribly. Whis helped out before yes, so I'll give you that, but Whis is in front of his student/brother, Merus. So he probably is trying to reinforce the rules on him to make him more obedient as an Angel. Others have pointed it out, but Vegeta isn't saying that he has a power better than UI or something. He's talking about surpassing Goku's instant transmission with his own technique and that he doesn't plan on using instant transmission again.
This review was done more like BULLET POINTS style, just discussing what I found interesting in the story of this chapter. I did a full summary video for the story start to finish here - ruclips.net/video/hEok5_6M1UQ/видео.html
Vegeta for president! Also first!
Bro how do you ready these chapters before there are able to read online? I want to read the chapter before you put these out but I swear it is always a day before. Can you help a brotha out man?
they didnt allow Goku power to be absorbed..so I think he willl come back after rest...7=3
So what do you think about the chapter explain and arrival of vegeta beyond ultra instinct
ok
I feel like this arc was around Vegeta more than Goku. The moment when he apologized to the Namekians, that's when it felt like Vegeta was going to do more than Goku.
What is your pfp?
He apologized to Piccolo?
When was this
This was about Majin buu (kai absorbed)
True 💯
When whis is talking about angels not interfering, beerus says he wants to go for tasty food. Then whis says to merus that it's up to the gods of destruction or the Lord of Lords to decide when to intervene. Maybe beerus wants tasty food so he can go to earth, potentially helping against moro but not admitting it yet?
Because we all know Beerus cares about Earth in secret.
To be fair that actually makes a lot of sense. They gave goku his fight. Now maybe vegeta almost wins but nope. Then beerus arrives
@@louiekush2742 I dont know why people dont see this.
Beerus has been known to not give a shit about stuff
He likley wouldnt interfere
Louie Kush Beerus arrives and then- Nope, then Buu arrives, and seals the deal.
Vegeta: "You see Moro, you aren't dealing with an average saiyan anymore..."
Ya🔥
LOL I totally thought that when I seen that final panel, time for Vegeta to get stomped down
terminalarch I hope not
"Don't you fking dare"
terminalarch hater
Goku: “How did you learn all these techniques???”
Vegeta: “Push ups, sit ups, and plenty of juice”
Goated reply
Loool dbz abridged
@@piedramultiaristas8573 that's not from one punch man it's actually one of Vegetas OG lines
@@wuzzii_3517 that line is actually from Legacy of Goku
Vegeta :I trained all day yesterday😂😂
People are forgetting how awesome Gohan and Piccolo were against Seven-Three, who is more than just a minion, he’s pretty much the secondary big baddie. It sucks that they didn’t do more against Moro, but I don’t think it’s fair to say that they did NOTHING in this arc. Toyotaro gave more attention to the side characters than Toei has in years.
Exactly. Also I think Piccolo and Gohan will be shown more in the next arc
Well he was more of the third big baddy cause saganbo but I feel you
Hopefully anime does the same
@@TheSSJEnder rip Saganbo. He could have been a little more of a challenge.
73 and the lil guy is on Moro's ship. They could still be apart of the battle. 🤷🏾♂️
Vegeta: "Kakarot, you fought well. Here's a senzu bean."
Goku:Did you just...
Vegeta:Yep
Honestly a part of me would love to see Vegeta give MORO a sensu bean... And then kick his ass.
But unlike with Goku and Cell there are too many variables and too little known.
@@priestesslucy you're overestimating vegeta way too much with that. He'd just get the cell treatment again if he did so. Stop trying to make him goku. Goku's vision goes far beyond than vegeta's.
@@maximillian7310 I don't like Goku as a character. I haven't liked him since the Saiyan Saga ended. The only reason I would ever have any character imitate Goku would be to make fun of him.
No, I'm not exactly a Vegeta fangirl either. His arc basically concluded in Battle of Gods, but he's still a better character than adult Goku lol.
@@handzofstone1152 butthurt? Why tho?
I've been watching db since 2006 and the most likely outcome of this is gonna be goku taking the win with true ui with vegeta's major assist. Db is the only anime I've ever watched and i can figure out that much atleast. Nothing for me to be butthurt and it's not like i hate or even dislike vegeta.
What makes me mad is people shit on goku for who he is but would love to switch goku and vegeta's role if they ever got a chance... Vegeta imitating goku's entrance using instant teleportation, him giving his enemy a senzu bean etc.
The ending chapter art of vegeta rushing Moro low key reminds me of the end of an episode of dragon ball Z.
Vegeta looked focused and out for blood. Reminiscent of vegeta vs recoome or majin vegeta vs fat majin buu
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Very reminiscent of the DBZ manga with Vegeta rushing to Moro like that
About to rush moro you mean
It reminded me of the DB manga more than the anime
*You want someone stronger than you? You’ve found him.*
Such a good line bruh
Yea that was gangster. The only line I like better is when he asks the Android's if a machine could feel fear right before he went super Saiyan for the first time in the show
Honestly vegeta is one of the most badass characters in dragon ball. He literally has some of the best lines in the entire series
@@zenan1070 he deserves to kill a villain..
@@rai_varun he gave pui pui the business at least
Varun Rai He killed Nappa, Zarbon, Dodoria, the entire Ginyu Force, Android 19 and gave the assist for Gohan to kill Cell
Imagine if the writers decided to allow Vegeta to get the next couple of wins against major villains that Goku couldn't beat and we can see how it gets under Goku's skin and affects his character and makes him question his strength. Would be an interesting direction to take the series.
Thatd be wonderful, kinda give him the Vegeta treatment. Allow goku to get his big shine but still fall short and Vegeta finish off antagonists.
Are you implying Goku has beaten alot of main villains in Z? Cause if so, ya wrong.
Goku has only defeated Frieza twice and then Buu if you want to count that (the nature of the Spirit Bomb makes it so it was more so the people of Earth) on his own.
@@KaizaBLK That's true, there were a lot of technicalities in that second Frieza fight. And I almost forgot to consider Dragon Ball, lol thanks for reminding me about King Piccolo and Piccolo. I guess you could count the Red Red Ribbon Army too.
Geekdom101 seems to have misunderstood the end. Vegeta didn’t say he has a technique that surpasses UI. He simply affirmed Son Goku he doesn’t plan to use the instant transmission again and that he learned a better technique. Obviously, it’s still our classic cocky Vegeta who came all overconfident and has some new tricks up his sleeve, he may have even surpassed Son Goku, it’s just not what he said at that point.
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i was thinking the exact same thing, he was saying hes learned a better technique than instant transmission. geekdom does this a lot tbh
Indeed i picked up on that as well.
*Instantaneous movement
You guys don't understand how disappointing it would be for vegeta to surpass UI after all of that build up just for it to be nerfed. Terrible writing once again.
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Merus: No time for sleep, it's justice time!!!
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9:08 Vegeta said he has a technique far superior than INSTANT Teleportation. he wasn't referring to Ultra Instinct. Goku pointed out asking if he just used instant teleportation, Vegeta said he had something better. however you said in your video Vegeta referred to having something better than UI. You misunderstood IMO
Yeah he’s CLEARLY talking about Instant Teleportation lol. I thought I was the only one who understood that.
Thank u somebody who caught that as well I was like he didn’t say a technique stronger than ui he meant instant teleportation
No that's not he meant
that is what Geekdom meant based off his word phrasing, yes.
exactly haha
Vegeta’s new ability appears to be an energy drain technique. When we first see him, he executes the move and the Yardratians appear fatigued. Then Pyabara restores their energy, which suggests that they had their energy drained. It makes thematic sense that a technique that is virtually identical to Moro’s would be his own undoing. If this is the case, it explains how Vegeta can be confident vs Moro even when he doesn’t appear any more powerful: if he can drain Moro, he may be able to use that to power up more as he fights.
I don’t think Vegeta’s pride would let him learn a technique like that
MgHerbo maybe it’s like fusion, he doesn’t like fusing but he will if it’s against a fused enemy. In this case energy draining would just level the playing field. Who knows if he’ll use it after that.
@@TheGOAT_7 Would it really though? Vegeta's mini character arc starting from the Tournament of Power seems to be finding his own equivalent to Ultra Instinct which involves lots of hard work and utilizing his years of actual combat experience to learn things that Goku would have a hard time with. Vegeta seems to have succeeded in his Yardrat training far faster than Goku and mastered Spirit Training to a significantly higher degree.
It doesn't seem out of character to learn a technique that can drain enemy Chi as it would provide him a direct counter to people who are simply stronger than him (the same way ultra instinct was able to combat Jiren's massive power). It also helps that Vegeta is also going to be capable of outputting MASSIVE chi attacks with little strain on stamina as shown while he was training. Buffing himself while weakening an enemy sounds good to me.
ahhh, that actually makes sense. that would even the balance b/w him and moro. so they would just have to duke it out like men haha.
This is exactly what I thought! I get the feeling Toyotaro will use the old trope of Vegeta seemingly getting stronger and stronger as the fight progresses but in reality Moro will slowly and subtly have his energy drained.
I'm hyped.
Now another MONTH of waiting 😭
Just like Goku vs Jiren back in the days, I want a 2x1 chapter special for Vegeta vs Moro fight!
When Vegeta transported himself into that water barrel. Lol
That’s a trash can
I love vegeta but that was a trash can
Trash can
@@PlushMaker400 the Yardrat's trash can are so pretty wtf my trash can looks like it's about to get thrown in along with the trash into the garbage truck. lmao
*@Hassan Khalid* BRUH! Ikr?! That trash can looks clean af
3:00-4:00
Gohan & Piccolo did help fight Seventhree & Saganbo though. At least they got some action.
So did Yamcah and tien
And it was awesome.
They need some god training tho
Dude they literally have been doing stuff since at least the TOP. Your problem is purely emotional, would it be better for them to get stomped and still do nothing? At least this way if something needs to happen they can help, also they will literally just make Moro stronger.
For your Whis statement he said “Excessive meddling” That to me means that he knows they have helped before but they shouldn’t do it to much because they aren’t supposed to. Doesn’t come off as hypocritical, it’s comes off as someone trying to follow the rules after the first time he broke it.
It's a discussion about the chapter. It's not supposed to be unbiased. People can have opinions
While I agree completely, it is just a discussion, everyones cool here lol
Swagruto Uzumaki He used his opinion as criticism, therefore yes, he shouldn't be biased
Whis didn't break the rules... because that happened outside of space-time :p
Bro, he's always biased in his videos when things don't go his way.. It's nothing new
While of course I want Piccolo and Gohan to fight more, it makes logical sense for them to step back. Also, they both had a lot of good fights this arc is Seven-Three twice and against Saganbo. They could definitely do more in future arcs, but I'm content with the action they had this arc
Vegeta: *beats Moro*
Also vegeta: Transform Moro
*Moro transforms beats Vegeta*
Goku: *unlocks new form, beats Moro*
Lmao I would laugh if that happened
It’s funny because that’s most likely going to happen 😂
Pretty much.. No doubt some shittery goes down.. Vegeta gets beat and Goku gets MUI and wins
no i think vegeta will defeat moro and then og 73 will defeat vegeta then moro will heal and then beerus will defeat moro
I reckon it’ll be a repeat of the buu saga. Goku uses omen to buy time for vegeta to charge up his secret technique to leave moro powerless, like the yardrats
6:20 - “Vegeta’s actions were far worse and reckless in Z”?
Cell Saga:
Vegeta - let cell go perfect
Goku- gives perfect cell a goddam senzu bean
BUU SAGA:
Vegeta - Helped resurrect Buu
Goku- let fat buu live when he stated himself that he could’ve defeated him in SS3
Looks equally reckless to me...
Goku had a solid plan in Gohan gaining SS2 from Cell enraging him. Unlike Vegeta, Goku compared them ahead of time and knew Gohan would come out on top (remember when he teleported to Cell after leaving the Chamber and asked Korin to compare himself to Cell?). He even fought Cell before Gohan to give his Son an advantage of seeing how the enemy fights.
Plus Goku was setting up Gohan as his successor. Wanting him to reach the next level and get the win. Becoming Earth's top hero. It can even be argued that the Senzu bean had no negative consequence whatsoever. Given Gohan was the only one who could beat Cell. Yet he wouldn't even beat the somewhat weakened Cell unless he achieved SS2. Goku played Cell to build up Gohan. He wasn't being reckless at all.
Vegeta on the otherhand came in cocky and ignorant of Cell. He in no way was able to guage Perfect Cell.
As for Buu, once again Goku was setting the stage. Except this time the kids messed things up by goofing around too much. Without Goku being around as a fail safe (ultimately saved Gohan from Cell when he got too cocky).
They have teased the power of this new technique for so long now, as such I’m convinced Vegeta is about to propel DB to a whole new power scale. That being the power of battle tactics!
Duvaughn Kelly yesss
Thats always been his strength. Piccolo said it himself. When he bluffed Android 20 into running from him
@Martin Ramirez what are you saying?
@@TheRealObi-wanKenobi lol he have me so lost.. Jiren was technically a tactician and technique fighter and let's face it he rocked that TOP. So IMO this would be cool Vegeta has always been the better tactician and technique guy. He just always followed Goku😅want to do what he does smh..hope he branches off and becomes his true and only Equal
Martin Ramirez 🤦🏼♂️
Vegeta not giving a fuck about Instant Transmission is classic Anti-Goku Vegeta
Everyone has to remember that vegeta was stronger than Goku from the start. The kaio ken is what gave goku the edge. That means vegeta should have surpassed Goku at least a few more times than he already has since he didn't have any multiplying technique and was still able to keep up.
Goku WAS the chosen one, but now any Saiyan with training can surpass him
I always said that if Goku didn't have many "techniques" in his arsenal, Vegeta would be able to be stronger than him. The only bag thing about Vegeta is that he only thinks about power. That alone won't help him win he definitely needed something else, glad to see he finally gets something
That doesn't matter seeing as the kaioken was quickly outclassed as a technique
Oh boy...the "if he didn't have this or that argument".
I guess you forgot about the Buu Saga lol. Vegeta literally said "Kakarott you're the best always have been. And you always will be." But I think it would be cool if Vegeta got the win here. But dude you should know if you've watched the show enough. Or read through Mangas it never is this cut and dry bro. I don't think Vegeta is gonna rely on strength to win this. Yea he will use his power but the techniques are gonna be the key. And in my opinion I don't think he will get the solo W. As much as I hate to admit it I think it's gonna still be Goku or Merus in the end. If Goku was layed out unconcious right now. I'd see the likely hood of Vegeta winning solo more. But Goku isn't beat all the way down yet. Plus 73 is still around to steal Vegetas abilities later on if need be. Just to many scenarios to get my hopes up to high that Vegeta will win this.
I liked the fact that Vegeta was willing to seek help from the Yardrats (something he'd never usually do), this was spurred on because he felt weak for not being able to protect the Namekians, the same Namekians that saved/protected him even though he once slaughtered their race. Seeing the Namekians fall again brought back bad memories, not just of Frieza, but of his old self. Like Vegeta himself pretty much said, he needed to make things right, that's what fuelled his progress, and not just his usual want for power, and not even just him wanting to protect his loved ones. His need to atone is what fuelled his progress, and now he's reached a whole new level, surpassing Goku and even Jiren, becoming the strongest mortal......KING VEGETA!!!!!!!!!
his achievement are the product of all his training
-Master Pybara
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@@ZenRyoku were. I mean if you're going to correct him, at least be correct
@@ZenRyoku stings doesn't it?
@@azmirjohari609 how so???
...i don't understand the relavance to your comment.
Please explain. 💯
Vegeta seems like he has matured a lot. This could be possibly the first time he has out strategized Goku.
@John Wright agreed. Goku has always been the lucky one
John Wright Nope, he’s not been the more strategic. Goku has always focused more on techniques rather than brute strength in comparison to Vegeta.
Raw North no it’s just goku is a genius when it comes fighting. It’s been like that every since he was trained by grandpa Gohan
Shreyas Chaturvedi that was old Goku. Ever since leaving Namek, Goku’s legit been all about power. What did Goku do while he was in the room of spirit and time? Perfect Super Saiyan for more power. What did he do while he was dead? Work on a new Super Saiyan form. He didn’t really bust out any new techniques, he just worked on getting stronger.
Jeebz3000
The genius comes in Goku realizing that he needs to let his body adjust to the first Super Saiyan Form in order to go to the next level. Nobody but him realized this and it shows Goku's genius. He didn't use the room of spirit and time for another transformation, but to improve and master Super Saiyan 1.
I suspect something we'll see is, when Moro is pushed to the limit, he'll re-take all of the power he shared with his pirate minions for a final power-up (and hopefully a power-stressed type transformation, I love those).
Yea I feel like this arc is far from over.
Yes. That b nice. B better if he took it from them while they were battling 2 show he has no mercy
Bruh, just use the Mafuba. "Nooo! You can't just defeat a new villan just like that! Vegeta needs to gain a new technique and have character development!" haha, technique go fwwush.
I’m getting tired of “stamina” being the end all for nerfs in Dragonball super. Toriyama killed off SSJ3 with that BS and then made SS Blue suffer the same fate. Why ascend to higher levels if stamina is always going to be a problem? That time would be better spent perfecting a lower form and pushing its ceiling higher because they consume less energy anyway.
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James Moody yea agreed
@@marsinsesay1538 gonna disagree with you there.
Because it would be fucking terrible to have Goku use the technique of the Gods with no restrictions, there would be zero tension or drama for the rest of DB.
stamina is only a problem at the beginning. Goku mentions post-namek that it took him a while to eventually be able to transform into SSJ1 consistently and again mentions that he and Gohan trained to keep their mastered SSJ1 state active for longer so that they can maximize stamina and such. Also at least in the manga, SSJ God is exactly what you're looking for: Goku and Vegeta use SSJ God for the lower stamina consumption but still large increase in power plenty of times. This is even a big point of the rematch between Vegeta and Goku Black.
Geekdom:
Didn't Whis rewind time on earth at Beerus request? And he was saying angels shouldn't get involved not Gods of Destruction right?
beerus is coming
You said it yourself "Beerus request"
I think Whis cares and wants to help so he looks into loopholes so he can't help without technicaly breaking the rules.
That was a small problem it wasn’t the fate of the universe bro that’s jus earth
londonrd Don’t forget that Frieza was a cheat, it’s against the rules but it was Beerus’s request
I could be remembering it wrong, Ill re watch it later, but in Resurrection F Beerus gave Whis the command to reverse time. Which still makes sense to what Whis was talking about in todays chapter, which was only Beerus(God of Destruction)and the Omni King(God of Everything)can make choices of intervening in mortal affairs...
@Martin Ramirez A rarity in this fandom really.
That look that Moro gave Vegeta when Vegeta dashed at him reminded me of the same look Goku Black gave trunks after Trunks transformed into SSR in the anime. Anyone else get that vibe?
I love how they had to assure the audience Vegeta wouldn’t steal Goku’s signature movie lol.
Vegeta should want that move, you can survive an explosing planet!!!
*signature movie*
would he rather hold gokus hand ?
Stupid story line
He pretty much mastered it he just won’t use it out of pride. That seems to be a basic technique
I personally think the back & forth between Merus & Whis was more so a foreshadowing. He mentioned the Angel's but also hinted that the God's can intervene.
Beerus following up with him being hungry leads me to believe they'll go to earth. Probably watch, but there's a possibility we could see a serious Beerus step in
I also love how Vegeta only learned Instant teleportation just for the sake of a great entrance lol
The Voice of Omega Shenron would definitely fit perfectly with Moro.
Edit: (dub)
oh yea for sure i can hear the voice match the diabolical vibe.
Collie boy, young Moro right?
Mmeeehhhh imo he needs a more intellectual voice if you get me. Less cruel, but more diabolical. Omega was rly just a big boss spawned from 'naTurE'.
I vote for Linda young lol jk
Supporter of True Gender Equality something along the lines of a babidi or cell
Vegeta’s secret power is absorbing energy as well. He gone Sug him. 😂
I think thats it. Or absorbs stamina
or maybe he can phase through objects
I’m wondering that too. I could totally see vegeta saying “so...you want too steal my energy huh? Then I guess I will just have too take it back!”
i think vegeta'll be able to seperate energy eaten by moro
Tre Roulhac How could u absorb stamina? 🤔 maybe that’s right
Vegeta deserves this, they had better let him have it.
I really feel as though Piccolo deserves better treatment by Toyotaro/Toei/Toriyama. Him and Gohan did put in solid work against Seven-Three, but one thing that REALLY bothered me about Super was how attached to the hip Gohan and Piccolo were to each other. Dare I say, Piccolo has become too dependent on Gohan.
I hope maybe Piccolo could train with Whis and learn to manipulate God Ki as well and Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo could be the monster trio of the Z Fighters.
It would be nice but unfortunately I think that ship has sailed. With his different moveset it would be cool to see him up against some of the major villains style wise.
Out of all the Z senshi, Piccolo and God ki makes le most sense. Dude used to be a God himself
The monster trio will be Uub once we get to the end of Super/Z. Maybe Pan if she’s more like Goku and not Gohan but who knows
@@charleswalker3833 is right, the power ship for Piccolo is gone. But, he is a fan favorite and it would be absolutely amazing to see him get his shine, last bit he got that was truly jaw dropping was his fight with 17. Personally is like to see him become a Kai of some sort
This was a fantastic chapter, particularly enjoyed Vegeta's arrival. That said, as long as Mastered Ultra Instinct/True Ultra Instinct is in play, fans of Vegeta should remain cautiously optimistic. They may not give him the final blow. Vegeta fans shouldn't blow their load too early.
vegeta will defeat moro but will be defeated by og 73 offguard. then moro will heal then beerus will come
But when he wins we blowing that load through the crust of the planet.
@@marsinsesay1538 don't say that with such certainty. Say 'I think'
I feel like they are going to give goku the win he's gonna master that UI shit! Im hoping they don't but if they do that and give goku the win im done with this show.
Bruh you saw that too?!?! Goku was “suppose” to go UI in this chapter. The fact that he didn’t and the fact that Vegeta arrived before UI bothers me ....it bothers me A LOT.
8:55 Nope! Vegeta was saying he wasn't going to pilfer Instant Transmission, not Ultra Instinct, hence the "again"
EXACTLY
@homunculus I think it was just a mistake
Vegeta learned to restore his energy aswell, So he won't have the same problem as goku, as he can recover with his mind
Niklas Lund u might be right
C17 & C18 don't need restoring their energy. And Moro can't also steal it. So it wouldn't be a new great technique from Vegeta.
Dafuq, hell nah that ain’t the technique
I think he learned how to absorb energy
Him absorbing energy makes sense, could explain why the yardrat kids were all knocked out but not really damaged
Watch them be like "vegeta learned time skip to 10 seconds"
He should learn some 30 day timeskip, to get to the next manga chapter fast
I think Vegeta’s power could be a phase in / phase out state ( Kitty Pryde style ) of his own body that would enable him to not only not get absorbed energy wise, but also avoid hit damage during a fight , and have the upper hand.
Geekdom, you literally said it yourself. Gohan and Piccolo would get their energy stolen so why tf would they risk their lives to fight for no reason instead of the androids. And also Beerus asked Whis to restore Earth because of its tasty food, and Whis is bound to serve Lord Beerus. You literally say all of this but you still are bugged out?
Lol fanboy💀💀💀
Toyotaro is the writer, he can literally do anything he wants (like giving vegeta a one-off instant transmission). Could have written hogan and piccolo to figure something out and help in some way. Make them get goku to safety block an attack or something. Spam solar flare from a distance, anything.
@@Hisagi197 Ayyee my nigga.
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I think when he says he learned "a far superior technique" he's talking in comparison to instant teleportation not ultra instinct. He sees instant teleportation as Goku's thing, but now he has his own technique.
this was such an amazing chapter. Personally, I loved the idea that Vegeta is born from hard work
Literally Goku's thing but ok
@@Xeno-he4nm not really. goku is a prodigy from both hard work but also natural talent. he learnt kamehameha instanly
@@marsinsesay1538 no, his power level was low at birth so he was not a prodigy. And who would of thought that a kid who grew up learning martial arts from the student of Roshi and is a from a warrior race that are known for the potential power would learn a technique quickly.
@@marsinsesay1538
Vegeta was the priodigy who was supposed to be superior to everyone due to his heritage, but he evolved into the hard working fighter.
Matt I. Exactly, the Broly movie exposes this. But people always ignore this when I mention it, so I just gave up until people with common sense would listen.
Whis has seen a lot. He doesn't get attached the way the rookie Merus does. He's probably just trying to make sure he doesn't get into trouble...
9:00 Umm he doesn’t state he has a technique superior to Ui he says he has a technique superior to instant transmission because when Goku says “did u use instant transmission” he says he doesn’t wanna use goku’s signature technique( which would instant transmission since he had it since the android Saga) and he said use it “again” which means he used it before( he hasn’t used UI before but he did just use instant transmission) and he said he has a technique to surpass that not Ui( I’m aware the technique will make him more useful to fight Moro than Goku but i doubt he was refering to Ui because it’s used by Beings like the angels which if they were to use UI on Vegeta He would definitely lose)
I had feeling vegeta was talking about instant transmission I don't think he ever used UI before
The thing is 73 can steel techniques and vegeta learned a new technique
Vegeta needing to learn Instant transmission in a pinch reminds me of Sonic using Shadow's Chaos Control in Sonic Adventure 2.
Didn’t even think of that. But your definitely right
I'll use your...chaos controool
With a fake Emerald even. To this day I don't understand how.
Argan P
Actually, the chaos control is something Sonic already used. It’s not Shadow’s move.
Matt I.
The fake emerald was charged with chaos energy. Sonic having a lot of experience with that energy might be the answer to that.
I think that the new Vegeta's technique will be a sort of mafuba technique. If you look at one of the last panels of chap.60 you will see that vegeta seems to have trained on "other people". The new technique will be focused on blocking someone and deplete him of his energy I suppose.
God I can't wait to see vegeta finally get his win!!! The man deserves at least ONE freaking W
Vegeta going to lose
Agreed
You bout to see ash ketchum all over again...lol
@@DANIELsilva-gy8qd impossible
He won't. It has been heavily forshadowed that Meerus will sacrifice himself to defeat Moro. Vegeta will lose and then Meerus will stop Moro.
Talk about great storytelling within the years, it’s crazy to think I didn’t like Vegeta at all growing up as a kid during the Z arc and really wasn’t interested in him but they did such a fantastic job throughout the years with Vegeta character development and wasn’t force, it was a genuine, natural development which he became more and more relatable. Vegeta became one of my favorites if not my favorite character in dragon ball now and caught me really rooting for him to finally have his moment he deserves. Goku still my guy but Vegeta I can relate to more now because of how far he come. Vegeta got to be one of the best if not the best character development in anime/manga history...
I have a feeling that Beerus is going to get involved in the fight
Buu as well
Yeah, beerus was tellin whis that he was hungry for some tasty food. Kinda sounds like he’s going to earth.
I think Moro is going to beat Vegeta as well and then Beerus is going to pop up. He finally seemed to be interested towards the end of Whis's conversation. I think we're going to get the reveal Moro was a God of destruction. He seems to know alot about the gods
Yojimo exactly!
I read 59 and 60 back to back since I was behind and IT WAS AWESOME. SO GOOD. Happy Vegeta brought back HIS version of SSB from the ToP arc.
4:00 you're complaining over nothing.
Gohan and piccolo were the stars of the last couple manga, they can take a back seat these next couple
He was talking about Instant Transmission when he said “I’ve learned a far superior technique” not Ultra Instinct.
I know, vegeta has every intention of learning ui but doesn't have the gift
Lmao are u dumb bro? He said he don’t wanna use it again
@@hunnidshottas1808 no bro you read what wilcox said wrong... Hes saying that vegeta's technique that he learnt is superipr to instant transmission lol
@@BohemianGroveify cap?
@@hunnidshottas1808 dude.... not dumb. Actually, you are just confused.
"Gohan deserves better" is the primary theme of Dragon Ball Z/Super.
LMAO
I knew he wouldn’t hold on to instant transmission i dont get why people complain before
The actual even comes out 🤦🏾♂️ . If you’re reading this and were one of those complainers well...
Fax
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Because narratively speaking it doesn’t make sense at all. In the first half of the chapter the yardrat says he can’t take Vegeta there. Vegeta is someone who wants to do things differently from Goku and in this case he seemingly had to learn it but then the yardrat finally decides to take him anyway. So without being OOC Vegeta should’ve just accepted the help but no he does it himself and then says well I won’t use it anymore. That’s actually retarded narratively speaking.
@@brandonsmith2172 Vegeta doesn't like being helped
Brandon Smith For all we know him being able to learn it quickly would confirm that he is also adept with whichever new technique he has. Its not like he is using it in battle like he would have if he learned UI which is something he didnt want to learn because of what you said of him not wanting to do things the same as Goku
Everyone, toriyama himself wrote this episode!!! It says so on the title of the chapter!!
When are they gonna bring back the anime? 🙄
At the absolute earliest, next year, it wont be until after this arc/saga
When the manga is about 3 to 5 arcs ahead of its current position so the anime can follow it
Goku Black I mean narutos manga was way ahead of the anime also they probably want to make sure when dbs continues that I starts off strong
hopefully not for a while. That way the anime can just adapt the manga.
Lmfao it’s been 2 years
I like that you emphasize that it seems Vegeta is poised to be the hero. Although Gohu could come back and help. I also think it should be more than the Goku and Vegeta show. I think by now they should showcase all of that untapped power in Gohan. It would be nice if they let him leave earth for a while and train with someone we would never think to pair him with.
God Job with the kids keep it up.
"Welcome to the end of your life, and I promise it's gonna hurt."
Love it. So happy this ending of the chapter was a call back to him meeting cell. But this time it will unfold as it should have! With Vegeta on top.
Gohan and Piccolo are not stupid. Seems more of a personal issue to you about not seeing Piccolo and Gohan being on the sidelines. There is no point and getting involved knowing they'd do more harm than good. 17 is arguably Gohan level and has an upper hand having artificial energy along with 18 and infinite stamina.
and now we wait another month to finally see what vegeta can do :)
lose
Im fine with that. I get to live in my Vegeta glory.
Man im so hyped for this arc, next month is gonna be slow af
Likely outcomes:
1) Vegeta defeats Moro single handedly.
2) 73 teams up with Goku, Vegeta, and Androids to defeat Moro.
3) Beerus comes and defeats Moro.
4) Merus comes and defeats Moro and is erased.
His secret power is reality warping lol
ZA WARUDO STOP TIME
@@Hollowcrisis no, in any case, ZA WARUDO OVA HEAVEN
@@Laerade ITS A NEW ENEMY STAND USER
That would be dope af. Making DB characters even more op then they already are!
i think vegeta'll be able to seperate energy eaten by moro
If Vegeta has a power draining technique its going to be like the spirit bomb only it takes more of a toll on who the energy comes from. IMO
Finally my boy Vegeta rises to be the Ultra Elite. I f#@kin love it!
How did Ultra Instinct "failed"? I'm confused, i thought UI omen was the imperfect form. he hasn't used UI yet
From what i got from the tournament of POWER, UI omen is almost exclusively for defense, thats why is imperfect.
But clearly gokus been getting his as whooped, so I think thats what he means.
@@CalebUncut that is not true at all. sign is unstable not " defensive " and this is not fully as consistent as ui. plus it also drains stamina so the longer you stay in full power the weaker you get. thats it
@@marsinsesay1538 i see :o
I'm calling it here, Vegeta learned instantaneous movement offensive/defensive which don't rely on tapping into MUI. Would make sense because originally instant transmission, a move that teleports you anywhere by sensing Ki in the location. Put that situation in a fighting sense where you're reading ki movements, and perhaps possibly delivering instantaneous blows. Idk just a theory.
That's literally UI...
The way Vegeta is talking, makes me feel like he’s going to get his ass beat in the end lol. I can totally see Goku stepping in and them having to fuse to beat Moro (which would be annoying)
Bro, if they fuse 🤬
@@mayhulk7514 agreed, they did omen so dirty even if it's still the lesser form, at least that way with MUI, it would be a way for Goku to redeem himself
@@jeanc.1082 UI omen got stomped during its debut for the exact same reason it did here, the form is unstable and Goku can't maintain it for long.
There is a good chance that Whis isn’t worried because he knows about Vegetas trainining. Who’s always keeps an eye Vegeta and Goku with his staff in moments like these
Sorry to double post but:
VEGETA HAS PAID HIS DUES!!! LET HIM SHINE DAMMIT!!!
Knowing what I know and seen in DB history, Vegetas new technique will initially seem to give him the upper hand against Moro, Moro will find a way to tank through it and then it’ll be MUI Goku + Vegetas new technique that will ultimately bring Moro down
Gohan and piccolo did have there shine in this arc, however, I do agree it should be more. Maybe in the next upcoming arc that all changes along with majin buu getting some true training.
I wish thye would just make Picolo the number 3 just a little after vegeta .... I guess now Goku. I want a big 3 like in onepiece.
Majin buu would be too fricking op if got actual training. Lol.
@@roninomega4135 big 3 is goku broly and vegeta
Give Piccolo Kaio-ken first and have him use that to start trying to catch up
@@olubankai7 very bad idea. Completely against his fighting style. Piccolo should just train hard. I want him to fuse with gohan
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On Page 4 you can see goku and moro walking towards each other like dio and jotaro
I was thinking for a while that 7-3 would steal Vegeta's new techniques (which I still think will probably happen). However, does anybody think 7-3 might have some special abilities we don't know about? For example, I can stretch my imagination to see a Moro / 7-3 fusion or something like that.
That title has me interested. I just hope that they ACTUALLY go through with it and NOT give us a cop out ending.
The would be 100x worse than if they never made us think that Vegeta would affect the fight...
Im scared because 73 is still there... If he takes out Vegeta with a cheap shot I will be PISSED
How is this the Goku and Vegeta show, if 17 won the tournament of power due to being the last man standing, and now both 18 and 17 are yet again playing a major role? I think a lot of you wanted this to be the Goku and Gohan show, and that’s what your upset about. Well other than personality, what’s the difference in story telling whether it’s Goku, Vegeta, or Gohan? Saiyans power up to a new level, and defeat their enemies. Well with a character like 17, there’s so many ways you can go with it. The androids are very different then the rest of the cast, and I’m sure as story teller, that’s very interesting to play with. I think this show needs a cool, quiet, and mysterious character like 17. I also like that an earthling more or less can compete with Gods, vs always having to really on Siayans.
Maybe merus is training to be an angel for one of the universes revived after the TOP🤔
No new universe has been revived 17 wished for all the universe that were destroyed during the top also meerus was in training lomg ago before top .. But i like ur theory
@@supersaiyanblack7447 actually a lot of theories point towards all the universes being revived because 17 never specially stated to only bring back the universes erased in the TOP. He just wished back all the erased universes.
@@supersaiyanblack7447 It is possible that Merus was an Angel from one of the destroyed Universes.
Not a bad theory at all.
Think it's interesting how Goku can mix UI sign with his ssjb aura to bring forth a powerup (not significant). It shows that you can combine ssj power/aura with UI if the user wanted to. Assuming the same goes with kaioken, though in a mastered state it shouldn't be needed.
... thats not what he meant when he was referring to won stela his move... he was talking about the instant transmission not the UI ... cant people even read now? ...
literally just said this looooool the fandom will keep saying this aswell
Sometimes Geekdoom read so fast that dont pay attention to some stuff that is said in the chapters
I think Vegeta's new technique is the ability to absorb energy. think about it when he was on yardrat we're not many a yardianians laying on the ground seemingly out of energy? would be a perfect counter to moro though??? just my thoughts could be wrong
As I was growing up I always envisioned Vegeta being the hero but come on it is Goku’s Story 😆🤷🏾♂️
By that logic your saying u don't want anyone else to win? Doesn't that get boring like you know what's going to happen even before the arc starts
@@xavierrobertson8730 he's not saying he doesn't WANT anyone else to win
@@xavierrobertson8730 you do realise goku wins everytime so it would be nice to change it
The story has changed.
@@jensonprint714 what! he wins every fight????everytime. wow I didn't know that.
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That’s the ultra instinct theme
there's no way vegita's having a technique beyond UI! he's mastering something to ignore that moro absorbing energy technique
Getting mad already goku fanboy? Can’t stand vegeta being stronger?
technically, you are wrong. Vegeta mentions during the ToP that Ultra Instinct just isn't his style and he's gonna look for his equivalent. Him getting a technique that surpasses UI Omen/sign and is roughly equal to MUI wouldn't be out of the question.
Shoddragon that’s legit impossible though ultra instinct is the absolute pinnacle of martial arts there’s no other technique that can rival it
@@hazard4194 vegita was talking about instant ansmission, dude
Its surpassing UI Omen, but not of course MUI probably equivalent plus its only fair Vegeta gets to defeat him.
I don't think vegeta is beyond ultra instinct but his base form is just so much more powerful than gokus at this point! And we all know what a high base battle power does to your transformations right?
I’m surprised how no one said how vegeta could be fighting off his old demons example Moro is like the devil and Vegeta use to be evil but later turned good maybe this could be his final closure and leaving that lifestyle behind with this victory just my theory
Then he comes to Earth via IT and says hes never gonna use it again cause its Goku's move, then proceeds to give the cursed pose to Moro and brags that he's the most powerful being that standing there. Yeah Vegeta's gotten over some demons for sure, but his cocky ego apparently not(his downfall in all of Z)
terminalarch something’s just never change I guess lol l🤣
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Moro is most likely getting another wish. Nobody is on the lookout except Dende, Mr. Popo, Seven-Three, and Shimorekka. I don't doubt he'll get another wish.
If only Beerus wasn't lazy. He'd go down there and kill Moro.
he is literally on his way
No
The only time Beerus cared about saving the world was when he destroyed Zamasu
Moro has already said he’s surpassed the gods beerus is a part of that group known as the ‘gods’
@@migattepower6835 the Gods of Destruction. Moro even defeated the Grand Supreme Kai who was a part of the race called the Gods of Creation
It seems like Meerus was an angel in training, or a novice angel. I have a feeling Beerus is going to ask Whis to bring him to earth to get food at some point. Whis did mention they can only interfere if their god of destruction asks them too, or the Grand Priest does.
a little correction, 9:36 right here vegeta says superior technique than instant transmission, not a superior technique than ultra instinct.
thank you
It's a stand alone sentence. Why would he be cocky about a move superior than a teleportation when there is a threat in front of him?
@@southafricangamer7174 because they were talking about techniques they learned from the yardrats
5:13 after rewatching that scene it was beerus who told whis to rewind time,whis didn't do it out of his own free will but rather a order from his God of destruction
Well will it have a impact on vegeta's personality or he will end up due to his ego in this battle?
considering he shows up and admits he's stronger than moro, yeah that ego will be his downfall.
@@terminalarch6767 He's doing the pose he always does before getting royally fucked, he did it against Cell and he did it againts his first round against Black... Also knowing how big of an annoying fanboy Toyotaro is he's most likely not setting up for Vegeta to get the win but just to reference the movies. Vegeta shows up talking shit in these dramatic as hell entrances... More often than not after Goku is getting beat up just to also get beat up as well. What i think will happen is that Vegeta is going to loose but at the same time he'll do something to nerf Moro and the arc will end with Gogeta vs Moro because Toyotaro is kinda already borrowing from Heroes... And because he couldn't do Gogeta for the Manga adaptation of Broly... because it kinda wasn't one.
@@diegomedina9637 bro that will fuck things up 😧 i Don't wanna end this arc like this I have higher expectations for this arc maybe Gohan could also do something .
A couple of things:
I feel like it's just... y'know logical that Piccolo and Gohan wouldn't jump in. They know they don't stand a chance and could have their energy drained at any moment. I don't really see the cheerleader thing too much here. There's a bit of it, but it's not written horribly.
Whis helped out before yes, so I'll give you that, but Whis is in front of his student/brother, Merus. So he probably is trying to reinforce the rules on him to make him more obedient as an Angel.
Others have pointed it out, but Vegeta isn't saying that he has a power better than UI or something. He's talking about surpassing Goku's instant transmission with his own technique and that he doesn't plan on using instant transmission again.