Fun fact about Royal Guard: According to the Style move descriptions in DMC3, he's not actually storing the energy of the enemies attacks. He's getting more and more pissed at having to block and "Royal Release/Revenge" is him unleashing all that pent up annoyance into one punch. So a fully charged Royal Revenge is just Dante being fed up with blocking and actually punching back with his full strength.
@@DigitaltYT Devil May Cry Peak of Combat takes place after DMC3 and before DMC1. Idk why but Capcom's made it clear through their statements this is canon. Anyway let's dive in... Pluto is faster than his personal Ripper hunters, who can cover the Underworld in less than a day to hunt their prey, with the Underworld having been confirmed to be infinite in size by multiple sources. Can travel and bypass the dimensional axis of the time stream with sheer speed Mind you this is from a japanese to english translator (who is japanese himself and from in game references. Speed goes listed like Dante & Vergil and likely Nero(all from EOS DMC5)>Urizen>DMC5 Dante>DMC4 Dante>DMC2 Dante> DMC1 Dante/Demon Kings>Ripper Hunters. As with any franchise (most of the time) characters only get stronger with time passing by. I can put more names but I'm putting key characters for a general idea. And this is DMC Peak of Combat and after is DMC1, Anime,DMC2 Novel, DMC2, DMC 4 Novel, DMC4, DMC5 Novels, DMC5. So even if we do basic scaling. They are of immeasurable speed. Important note: Souls in Devil May Cry are 9-D constructs... so this may be an answer as to why Nero caught up somewhat in power to Dante & Vergil at the end with both of them wondering what happened with Nero. He may have awakened that 9-D construct within himself. Which possibly Dante & Vergil have not done. Unless explicitly stated.
@@dantesparda4493 This doesn't seem right, because it invalidates any possible fight Dante has had against any enemy ever, essentially. It is also an example of lore for effect vs. Lore in practicality: since the Underworld is infinite in size, it's impossible for anything to search the entirety of the underworld in any given time, and if something could, it simply defies any kind of logic or really laws of reason, meaning that trying to powerscale someone like Dante in this is just useless. Basically, they make those comparisons to make it absurd and supernatural just how powerful these things are, but in doing so, you can't ever use it as evidence of powerscaling because it leads to the conclusion: no fight ever in this series would ever happen like it did because everyone is too impossibly powerful to lose or even fight
@@TranscientFelix I know it doesn't seem right. But retcons happen due to In real life problems like 1. Making prequels YEARS after the franchise debut 2. Inconsistent feats (Like silver age Superman getting knocked out by a regular missile even though he can go toe to toe with darkseid and actually beat him effortlessly) 3. Adding lore at a much later time 4. Resources couldn't make media (manga anime cartoon comics games etc.) accurate to lore because of limited animation problems (time, not enough staff,not strong enough engine or software etc.) 5. Company has financial problems 6. The list can go on. I'd love to say more but it is what it is. Were they immeasurable speed ever since? no. But because of a prequel lore. Well they do have immeasurable speed now. Even though Dante is still shown running normally to stop V from merging with urizen when clearly he can go faster than that. I just know it was for plot reasons,for Vergil to come back.
Dante is one of the very, very few video game characters I could put in the DC/Marvel comics continuities and not watch him get utterly stomped immediately. And that is not a statement that can be made lightly, those comic writers have zero chill. Dante is one of the few who can match them, plus he looks stylish while doing it
@@mobbarley1102 Superman can fly to Alpha Centauri and back in about five seconds. That's fast enough to pulp Dante just by *walking forward.* DC Comics feats are on a ridiculous level above pretty much every other fictional franchise
I love how comically overpowered Dante is in lore. Like it couldn’t be more obvious how a lot of this stuff was written to just sound cool, like how Ifrit is supposed to be above the like maximum heat level of Hell but Dante wields it with no issue. It makes trying to figure out the actual powers of everything kinda crazy, but it is very fun.
Plot twist: Dante is actually capable of breaking reality with his ignorance. Royal Guard for example: Enemy: I'm gonna smack you Dante: Nuh uh *does a pose he saw in a movie*
@@linneausmsiska1184tbf the only things we see able to block it from cutting are things that hold equal or greater power than it, even with the statue of the savior it still pierced it but it lost its momentum after doing so and required something to push it further in, beyond that it very easily cuts anything even reality so yeah I'd say the sword can cut pretty much anything
In the enemy files of dmc5 Im pretty sure its stated that Urizen was drawing power from the qlipoth while sitting on his throne so he mightve actually been slightly depowered when he got up to kill nero
No, Urizen was absorbing blood from the Qliphoth while on the throne. So for the entire month he went uncontested, Urizen actually got MASSIVELY amped. Him getting up from the chair meant he was no longer gaining power but he still had the blood boost. So Nero fought a massively amped Urizen and still broke the crystal.
@@xenowarrior282 i dont think it matters or the writers even considered it. The whole point was that direct means to get power dont really matter and Nero wins in the end simply because of how close he is to Sparda's legacy and ideals, compared to his separated and misguided sons.
@@DigitaltYT Nah, he's goddamn powerful. What was insane wasn't that he beats Dante while sitting there, it was that he's being that strong to shatter Rebellion into pieces. :D
Well, the game is built around Dante playing with his enemies so he canonically never took anyone other than Vergil seriously. He's pulling his punches for Stylish points. He'd get a D rating if he destroys everything in one hit.
they are technically nephilims like beings half human half demon like nephilims but instead half angel i said technically because the biblical lore is confusing as always like other religion lore so many versions but the first is titanic white body human shaped giants
all that speed and yet he still couldn't stop a malnourished emo kid from plunging his walking stick into Urizen's chest eyeball thing, while standing a few meters away safe to say Dante lowkey wanted his bro back
you forgot they were already in a time rift with a giant spacial fracture happening as this all went down. I’m pretty sure they were all moving a lot faster than what you actually saw for that to have been the return of vergil himself
@@EBKDanteMustDie im like 90% sure that was all an illusion created by the tree, you can see once vergil returned they were simply in another room of the tree once the apple was eaten and Urizen was killed, and as Urizen was being beaten the illusion started to shattered (the spacial fracture you were mentioned) Even then there's no way V is faster then Dante, idc if its fully healthy V, Dante could've stopped his ass, and its pretty clear dante connected the dots on what was going on wayyy before V and Nero even arrived and he still let V stumble his way over there and monologue to his demon half Obviously its just for the sake of plot But my headcannon says Dante half ass'd it cuz he wanted his bro back but knew letting Vergil reincarnate would put too many lives at risk and his better half decided last second to try and at least do SOMETHING cuz maybe he doubted his ability to stop vergil in his old age
Quicksilver is both. It's time controlling abilities and makes you fast. As the game specifically states this "Send out a dimensional time-rift wave that slows down your enemies while giving you ultra-high speed. Also, while in Quicksilver mode, you will constantly consume DT energy."
people also forget that Dante (being a video game character) gains DT runes by attacking enemies, taunting, and blocking their attacks. If you play like me keeping quicksilver readily available is super easy even at higher difficulties.
@@EBKDanteMustDie Actually this is irrelevant, because in lore, Dante doesn't really run out of DT unless he was facing a more powerful opponent. As Kamiya have put it, Dante can stay in DT Form permanently if he really wishes to.
@@ThePowerscalingCinephile i never said he ran out of dt lore wise i’m just saying it’s easy to keep an infinite amount of dt by keeping the style meter high
Sin Devil trigger was available in the literal first game. You just needed to activate DT at extremely low health. Edit; guys, I get it. It was in the second game, not the first
A bit unrelated to how strong Dante is on his own, but at the end of DMC5 it's somewhat implied that Dante and Vergil working together as a team are stronger than Sparda was on his own. While not outright stated, the general vibe of the scene between the two of them seems to be about how far they've come. Although still somewhat reluctant about it, the implication is that Vergil is starting to come around to Dante's way of thinking in regards to the importance of family bonds. Dante and Vergil have very different and contrary fighting styles, so the two of them fighting together as a team means that they would be able to cover for each other's weaknesses while taking advantage of each other's strengths. They create a unit greater than the sum of its parts, and very well may have finally surpassed their father in doing so.
I pretty much gathered the same thought on how the brothers are interacting now. Hopefully in the next couple weeks I finish a video on how I would write DMC6, continuing on from DMC5
I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain, like 99%, that Dante was already more powerful than Sparda by 2, and that individually the two brothers could slay anyone sans each other. This feels just like overkill for the sake of family bonding
@@seijuroakashi9178 The biggest problem I have with Dante surpassing Sparda is not because Sparda is weak but it seems more hyperbolic than true Remember it is always "others" narrating about Dante surpassing Sparda. YET Urizen who is only 50% true Sparda blood via Vergil's demon half..... defeated Dante effortlessly. And this is DMC5 Dante who far outclasses his previous selves. Not to mention the new lore that Sparda had one blade and split it into three. I'm already more intrigued in knowing the true Prime Sparda because clearly he was seriously underestimated by most fans. But not me. I'm trying to make sense and put 1 and 1 to make it 2 and have it make sense. Dante has 2 swords Vergil has 1 sword and the Qliphoth fruit Which means a Qliphoth fruit equates to 1 sword of Sparda. Which is insane because 3 parts are each 33.33%. (mathematically speaking) It makes sense because Mundus NEEDED the Qliphoth fruit to beat Pluto... and Sparda defeated Mundus along with leaving him a permanent hole in his chest. We look at DMC1. Dante used the Sparda sword against Mundus at the end. Again 33.33% was more than enough to beat Mundus who we have to assume still has the fruit powers. We can always talk and agree to disagree. But I just wanted people to know that looking at it face value isn't the way Capcom works, they like to insinuate, hyperbolically state things, and of course "narrate" it as though it may or may not be truth.
@@dantesparda4493 just as a side note: 33.3% is assuming equal power distribution between the swords. If the yamato was 40% of spardas power, then quiploth fruit is only 10% sparda. Additionally, that's assuming the sum of all 3 swords aren't lesser than a full sparda into split into swords, which honestly isn't all that unlikely.
Talking about reaction speeds, as a teen, he is able to react to shots fired at him at point blank, while aiming his own weapons and blocking bullets with bullets, all while in a flip. He does this to lady in dmc 3, keep in mond shes firing machine pistols while he himself only has semi automatic hand guns
Dante's pistols were made for rapid fire, because of his demonic abilities he's capable of shooting much faster than any regular human, that lead to many of his guns jamming in the process and becoming useless, until Nell Goldstein made Ebony & Ivory for him
What I absolutely love about the implications of the design and lore is that the Swords themselves might possibly be Sparda himself split into 3 pieces but Rebellion was made so he could be resurrected again once all 3 combine. This further evidenced by the game itself because our very Devil Arms are living. Alastor, Ifrit, Beowulf, Agni x Rudra, and Cerberus as notable examples. Cerberus was also guarding and sealing the entrance with his ice only allowing the worthy to enter and take his strength. Artemis was a Demonic Gun that was used as a part of the rituals of the seals as well. Another living thing. We also have no idea how Sparda was so strong. Did he also use the Fruit from the Qlipoth? He some other demonic means unseen? Was he losing control of himself like Vergil did? So many mysteries...
for the sparda part I might have a answer sparda is more like dante and vergil combined but weaker then them if we're saying devil may cry 5 and 4 so sparda had a heart of a human and from that and a proper mind he surpassed all demons intil he disappeared and I'm not sure I'm bad at explaining so don't think I'm right if don't want to
@@cktankgirl5236 its stated in the lore book that Dante only surpassed sparda after gaining access to sin devil trigger since that devil trigger is the power of the blade of sparda combined with the rebellion and Dante's own power.
@@calebstephan2083 that doesn't make any sense and that's why power scaling is pointless, because sparda had to do all this stuff to seal mundus away whereas dante (in dmc 1, aka not at fall strength) just needed trish to do... whatever she did to seal mundus, then in dmc 2 he seals argosax as well, THEN in dmc 5 he gets even stronger with the sin devil trigger. how can dante only match sparda in 5 when he repeated sparda's feats so much earlier on in his life?
Dante is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. He is stupid powerful and cool. People don’t understand GOD of War is inspired by this franchise and Dante.
God of war is definitely inspired by DMC and most people know that all ready however the gow2018 they may not know that because that game and ragnarok play more like souls games. another reason kratos will never beat dante is because those games like aerial combat and fans i’ve spoken to blame it on developers not being able to showcase how powerful kratos is which is complete bs.
this was great. loved the video. i was expecting you to use the feats from the novels. and also for context concerning mundus, he himself admitted that he probably wouldn't have been able to defeat vergil back in dmc3 if he wasn't so exhausted from his previous battle with dante. that alone kind of seems like an anti-feat for dante until you remember that this was a weakened form of mundus and not him with his full power like the one we see in dmc1. also please do a vergil video eventually.
Thanks for the feedback, and glad you liked the video! I did reference Visions of V a few times, and don’t believe there is much to pull from day Volumes 1 or 2 as far as feats. Totally agree on the Vergil vs Mundus fight. I would say that’s fair on that seeming like an anti feat, this was mentioned because they did fight, and Mundus is one of the strongest in the series. Good call though. Vergil one is in the backlog, got a couple of things I’m working on, but that will happen. Thanks!
@@DigitaltYT yeah. i've seen some people use that "anti-feat" as an argument that dmc3 vergil is stronger than dmc1 dante. which takes a lot of blatantly ignoring the evidence of the power scaling in the first game to think that since both dante and mundus are significantly stronger there. and dante still wouldn't have been able to defeat him in a one on one. also, dante already surpassed sparda in dmc4. so he's already far exceeded him in power by 5 especially when he gets his SDT. same with vergil since they're basically even in that game and it's implied their fight could go either way or it would end in a draw.
Well, you're wrong. Firstly, Vergil and Dante were equal in terms of power after Dante has unlocked his Devil Trigger as well. In their second fight it was a draw and in their third fight Dante has won with motivation and that Vergil wasn't using Yamato but Force Edge. How you don't consider it is mind-blowing given you look like a veteran DMC fan. Secondly, it still kind of seems like an anti-feat for Dante given Dante has beaten Mundus with the help of his father, Sparda's power. That is even more mind-blowing how the DMC community is stupidly taking Dante's victory over Mundus as if it was his own power. Doesn't matter that he has surpassed Sparda in power in DMC2 that time when he has beaten Mundus he wasn't there yet. Bro are you guys a deadbrain? Not even considering OBVIOUS points when coming to a conclusion? lmao. I don't wanted to be rude but it's just my criticism to being incapable of considering obvious things. Really I got tired from this stupidity of the community(talking in general, not about you) like people were saying that NeRo Is VeRgIl'S sOn BeCaUsE dAnTe SaId YaMaTo ShOuLd StAy At ThE FaMiLy when literally, LITERALLY he points at himself when saying that that he was meaning himself. XDDD Oh, haven't played DMC1 yet. Why it was his weakened form? What made it possible him to be at full power?
@@Reseptics Nah, they were equal, how the hell they dare to say that. lmao. :D Not Dante, Dante with his father's sword. Dunno if you consider other enemies rather than just Mundus but it's said for only Mundus. And I don't get this concept "power scaling." Like how the hell do you tell how the power scaling works? Can you enlighten me? Yeah, because first he was strengthened by Mundus and second for not being sane he has failed even with significantly power difference. Otherwise if he was sane as Vergil Dante got no chance against him. :D Nah, not in DMC4, in DMC2. Dunno if DMC4 was after DMC2 or not. But it's said for DMC2 long ago already. :P Bro wtf? What you have just said doesn't make sense at all. First you're comparing Dante from DMC5 to Vergil(Nelo Angelo actually) from DMC1 when you were arguing about the claim that DMC3 Vergil was being stronger than DMC1 Dante then you're comparing Dante from DMC5 to Vergil from DMC5. What? It's just a plain logic. Just because now they are equal in DMC5 "alone" doesn't imply that DMC3 Vergil wasn't stronger than DMC1 Dante. You should consider events happened there. Dante has surpassed his father by keep fighting strong enemies. So it's not about time, it's about how that time has passed. Though Vergil hasn't even fought all this years but still he has reached the same power as Dante. So I think the power gains are not adding up to your current power in DMC like when you use Sparda's sword, you get a fixed power. So fruit didn't add up into Vergil's current power via SDT but carried him to the same power level as Dante, same with Dante on SDT.
@@DigitaltYT yo I read that the demon u showed with the claws runs within the time stream. I'm assuming u put him at mftl only be a use it uses it like wormholes? It's not raw top tier speed like let's say superman?
Dante's feats are insane, but it's hilarious to me, the only times vergil has ever lost is directly after battling Dante, his literal equal. Mundus captures vergil because Dante cuts him in half while hell is collapsing. Arkhum kicks vergil off the tower, because Dante drew him to a standstill, and in jester's own words 'you are wounded and weak' Nero only defeats vergil (this time none fatality) because Dante was exhausted after fighting vergil on top of the chilphod tree. Literally everything in that universe is fodder to the brothers bar each other. Cos it's stated human blood amplifies demonic power immensely and them being cambions is to OP.
even if vergil wasnt wounded and exhausted from dantes fight he still probably wouldve lost to mundus, an older, stronger and more experienced dante had a lot of trouble with mundus in dmc1 so i dont think vergil wouldve done much better. i also hope to see how strong nero can get in the next game
I question Vergil's loss to Nero being *solely* from his fight with Dante, given how much that whole sequence sells Nero. But part of that is bias, and your point actually goes even further. Remember DMC4? Remember everything Dante went through there, including two punchups with "the kid who could crack buildings", the first of which he was *stopping himself from hurting Nero during* by restraining his devil trigger? And then his one-on-one fight with the Savior, where by the end of it he was finally forced to block rather than dodge? And even though the Savior shut down as it hit him, that's still a catastrophic amount of impact, and he was *fine* ? Yeah, *that's* what it takes to tire Dante out. And that's how strong he was *before* the events of 5.
@@billyboleson2830 He wouldn’t. As of “Before The Nightmare”, it was stated that if Vergil wasn’t weakened by his defeat against Dante he would have beaten Mundus (A very weakened Mundus keep in mind).
The main issue I have with these Dante videos are the weapons, since he canonnically sells most of them or gives them to his friends between games. The only weopons he has in his most powerful state at the end of DMCV are: Devil Sword Dante, Ebony & Ivory, Balrog and the ones you find in DMCV.
wrong. In Umvc3 all his weapons appear and disappears at will. Same for DMC3, 4, and 5. Reason being that he absorbs the souls of these demons as he defeats them but he has been stated to sell the physical weapons themselves however being that Vergil still has beowulf that proves that they can manifest these weapons at will. Mirage edge is literally a spectral version of the force edge. DSD is an upgraded version of the sparda sword and what not so it’s not beyond posibility for dante to have all his weapons theoretically
@@EBKDanteMustDie The mirage edge is just an enhanced summoned sword (they all look like the force edge) also in DMC3 Vergil can't use the Beowulf in the third fight because Dante has it, meaning the copies theory doesn't work, he probably just stole or resummoned the original from it's current owner.
@@patientnr.0409 people really undermine how important UMVC3 actually is because its the 1st and probably last time we’ll ever see DMC3 Dante/Vergil and DMC1 Trish in an Original HD Artstyle that actually looks good. UMVC3 doesn’t follow human logic either obviously since Trish has sparda and vergil still has force edge.
@@patientnr.0409 it literally says in DMC5 that mirage edge is a spectral version of the force edge. Summon swords are all spectral versions of the force edge that he uses to add extra damage to his combos. this is why he was so overpowered in dmc3. Playable vergil can use Beowulf in all fights and even boss vergil still uses beowulf at higher difficulties. Dmc doesn’t follow human logic at all
Hey youtuber, another information: Dante does have Royal Guard Style lore wise. In DMC 4 Fortuna Level Dante uses one of the Royal Guard Techniques "Dreadnaught" (which uses RG energy) against the saviour's beam to block it. Now based on what u have replied me in my last comment, now u might regret not reading that fortuna novel even more.
@@KaiSC It is directly stated by Matt Walker that all the novels and manga are canon. Not to mention, a lot of the dmc4 novel exclusive information made its way into the dmc5 novel and the game itself.
I remember when this nigga solved Pandora's box in 10 seconds and was using it like a toy and people have the nerve to question his intelligence lol And every new weapon he gets is used to flex on you efficiently and they try to say he's not very skilled in combat lol He's a jack of all trades in what he does and a master of them all
@@julianlak1017 He's also a détective, musician, mercenary, expert marksman, master swordsman, defeated swordsman with thousands of years of experience trained by his father, battle IQ is ridiculous, a trickster, etc
I mean, there's nothing to solve when it comes to Pandora. Not like it's a puzzle or anything. Plus, it works on imagination, so it's probably the easiest weapon to use/figure out.
Just to be clear I’m pretty sure his “combat experience” is part of his devil power. He turns demons he defeats into weapons. So naturally his power lets him just master the weapon automatically. Thats the powerful part of it. He doesn’t even need any “battle experience” he just learns it all autimatically. However he did have to learn how to use his two guns and rebellion cuz he had to start somewhere right?
While that is true for the most part, it doesn't let him COMPLETELY master a weapon. The biggest example is Yamato. In the dmc4 novel, Trish remarks that she's never seen Dante use a Katana, yet he was really good at it. However, Dante himself states that the Judgement Cut he uses is a cheap copy of Vergil's. The same powers apply to Nero, but he's even less experienced with Yamato as he has no frame of reference like Dante does.
Nah he just has wicked precision, hand eye coordination and bodily control so couple that with some of the most powerful demonic magic and you get being good at any weapon you can get your hands on. Ever.
@@xenowarrior282 ah okay well thats still really powerful. Be able to somewhat master any weapon just by touching it is pretty powerful. And just making your own out of the stuff you kill. Oh and being borderline immortal its no wonder why sparda was the most powerful demon. Also I’m pretty sure i heard that Dante and Vergil can choose to just not age if they stay in devil trigger form but they choose not to and be human. So really the devil trigger meter is more of a suggestion if anything.
@@xenowarrior282 That remark from Trish seems kinda silly, Katanas work pretty much the same as any other basic sword, being easier to use than Dante's regular giantswords if anything
Dante scales to complex multiversal since DMC1, you missed a lot of feats from the manga and novels. The reason he would be at complex is due to the nature of the demon world, its a higher dimensional plane than the human world. Dante in terms of speed is immeasurable; because the first demon and demon king pluto has hunters that can cover every inch of the infinite demon world in a day giving them infinite speed, pluto is stated to be faster than his hunters and able to travel through time with sheer speed alone classifying his speed as immeasurable. Mundus created nightmare which can lift or destroy the entire demon world, and since the demon world is higher dimensionally that gives him complex multiversal AP/Durability, mundus is able to subdue nightmare with a finger (shown in the manga) making mundus many times stronger than nightmare, mundus is also the one who overpowered pluto to claim the title king. These are all feats from DMC1 alone just to put him at complex. You'd be surprised on what he was able to accomplish in the novels.
Not to mention Dante seems to immediately learn how to use a weapon. No training needed. Dude just picks it up and is immediately a master at using it.
You should read on the novels and the lore too, a human soul in DMC is considered a 9 dimensional structure The sons of Sparda regeneration is pretty god-like, alot of other things like the beast heads that are stated to control reality, but we can't fault you for not knowing at the time, that takes alot of work to record and research
And that's Complex Multiversal Level so given that Dante and Vergil are above all humans by far, as of DMC5, are they above 9D? Yes. What's the only level above Complex Multiversal? Outerversal 😎
My man , the only argument you need to make here is this: ROYAL GUARD! Without taking into account anything else he can do , RG instantly puts Dante at high Marvel level... he can literally Royal Guard a hit from Mjolnir , or a punch from the Hulk , or a plasma beam from IronMan
Dante with Royal Guard is already op. Now imagine adding RG to his many other styles and weapons he got through the games, plus his unpredictable fight style. He could beat most, if not all marvel and DC together.
Tomaxx Ghost that's still not the same and dangerous as Dante's RG. Dante's RG can literally stores the attack energy and release it at the enemy. Vergil just blocks enemy attacks with his sword thats all, hence making it only a defence. Whereas Dante's RG is defence+store+counter attack+invulnerable and invincible dreadnaught (lore wise) etc. So sorry Vergil's block is nowhere near as Dante's RG.
All of that you explain in the video for Dante. Is exactly the same thing for Vergil, since both Sparda twins are equals in everything, as and we see in DMC 5. Why also, don't forget that Vergil didn't die either despite being in a weak state. He managed to survive as well, recover of himself, find his humanity and return all a new version of Vergil.
Dante is one of the strongest beings ever, and he still can't get a job done right to be able to pay off his debts It's also funny that due to how strong he is, it means he's taking fights so unseriously. He doesnt even break a sweat with some of the final bosses (in theory)
I don't know if it's important to mention, but Dante received 2 power boost in DMCV if I'm correct. I haven't played in a while ( so don't quote me.), but I think the Griffin mentioned that he's more powerful than before when he woke up. It seems like the Quiphode was feeding him energy as well while he was tangled in the roots for that month he was out cold.
Fun fact Dante doesn’t have all those weapons after each game he sells most of them too his old broker who buys demon arms to make sure they can’t randomly possess and harm people so he can’t just pull all of these out at the drop of a hat but he is very proficient with any weapon he touches but he doesn’t carry a arsenal on him at all time
Id like to add for the purposes of scaling that it likely takes far more energy to seal a demon than to kill it, as when killed, a demon simply reforms in the underworld, a portion of its power lost
Just a bit of extra proof Dante is Universal+. Mundus was stated by Kamiya(the creator of DMC1) that the zone they fought in was a whole other universe that he created. So he created on the spot another entire universe just for kicks to fight Dante inside of. Further on, in a novel later on he would fight an even stronger Mundus that had taken over the universe in a separate universe, that was literally the universe itself. Dante defeated him, without Sparda and this was before DMC2. Dante then Defeats Argosax which is implied story wise to be relative to a Mundus level threat in base in DMC2, finishing him off with Ivory no less. He is capable of surviving slashes from a dimension and CONCEPT cutter in Yamato, along with countering its blows at full strength. Dante is implied to be greater in power than his father in the DMC4 files. Dante of course is dominated by Urizen, who then goes on a whole month snacking on power of the roots of the tree, on top of getting a Mundus casual universe creating and inifinite void destroyer creating buff on top of it, and still handidly beats him with his Sin DT power up. Not just that but he ties with Vergil which is at bare minimum more skilled with said power, if not significantly stronger because human blood empowers demonic blood. The guy is multiple tiers above himself at the start of DMC5 by the end, let alone from before DMC2 which was already universe+ with his defeat of the alternate Mundus and casual defeating of Argosax. Dudes broken.
Best thing about scaling dante is that he's a two-for-one special. Dante and Vergil are constantly going back and forth in strength, which means if Dante has a feat, you can assume Vergil can do that too, and vice versa.
Who else thought that Dmc2's Devil Trigger was sick asf? Its awesome, that they incorporated his guns into the form, and basically upgraded them while the form was active.
nice job, but you missed the fact that Sparda sword wasnt "activated" yet by the time of dmc 3. the soul of Sparda had place in Spardas amulet, which was separated in two pieces to be the legacy to his sons. when it was brought back to life it didnt consume or affected such imbeciles like pope or the V stands for i got no power. Spardas raw might affected archam.
I've always thought of the in-game difficulty as, from the perspective of the player character, "how much of a damn do I give today?" in which harder modes = the less they care about winning
Dude, this video is fantastic! Finally someone has went in-depth on Dante's true capabilities, and you did it amazingly. I remain completely unconvinced that Dante is one of the most powerful protagonists in gaming! 🍕
hell if we wanna talk about Dante's speed as a factor, if we look back to DMC3 in the first vergil fight. DANTE+VERGIL MADE AN AREA DEVOID OF RAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAINSTORM, And again, THIS WAS BEFORE HE HAD DEVIL TRIGGER. Smarter people than me can do the math on that one, but i'd still say that's pretty impressive. That Plus immediately after he runs down the side of the tower fast enough to begin igniting the air around him.
Sin devil trigger first appearance was in Devil May Cry 2. It was called Majin devil trigger but because Majin already means "devil" that's why the name changed in DMC5. In DMC2 I think Dante had access to this ability and wasn't able to control it or understand how to even activate it until DMC5, hence why in DMC2 it can rarely be activated on low health.
Sin Devil Trigger and Majin Form are explicitly completely different forms. Also iirc, in no official media is it ever called Majin Form. The only time it's ever mentioned is in the DMC2 guidebook and it's called the Desperate Devil Trigger.
He doesn’t have immeasurable speed listen I’ve have been asking so many dmc fans or people that powerscale dante to give me scans and proof that dante does in fact move at immeasurable as for I know I have only gotten to infinite speed
DMC5 Dante (base form, DT): outerversal+ (is on par with his brother Vergil, whose power is far greater than that of Urizen DMC5 Dante (sin DT): nigh-omnipotent (is inspired to the perfect devil trigger, whose power was stated to be seemingly all-powerful).
Due to a the SMT verse being cannon due to the anime being used in the official DMC timeline Dante would scale to somewhere in the High Outerversal ballpark at base
Hey can you explain why do you multiply quicksilver with the Alastair sword instead of adding them? I’m having a major debate with my friends and they have me quite stuck
Let’s say I can run at 10 miles per second, and I run for 10 seconds, that would be 100 miles I ran. Then I can slow down time around me to have it move at 1/10th speed. Now with that speed and time, I can run 10 times that, not only 2 times. So I would run 1000 miles in 10 seconds with the time slowdown, and not 20 miles with the time slowdown.
@@cookiechoco1161 it slows down time around him to allow him to move at lightning speeds. Which is why everything around him appears so slow, and Dante would appear so fast to them
6:27 genuine question, how do you reconcile someone being able to move faster than light while not absolutely demolishing the earth beneath them? I'm not talking about demonic/magical types of movement, but simple biomechanical running, to accelerate his body to those speeds by running, the stomps to the ground would eviscerate the entire globe. do we assume that newton's third law doesn't really hold? or do we scale the ground to have insane durability?
Fun fact about Royal Guard: According to the Style move descriptions in DMC3, he's not actually storing the energy of the enemies attacks. He's getting more and more pissed at having to block and "Royal Release/Revenge" is him unleashing all that pent up annoyance into one punch. So a fully charged Royal Revenge is just Dante being fed up with blocking and actually punching back with his full strength.
Oh wow i didn't notice that
anger issues?
Kratos Moment
That's kinda scary
Imagine if Dante got so pissed that he would stop holding back
Probably why the move's called Royal revenge
The one debilitating factor of Dante is poor spending decisions forcing him to sell his weapons
No he sells weapons to put in a bank account for Gru’s kids
@@user-wy5rs2zj6uheh what if they're dante's kids and he paid gru to care for them in place of him?
@@langleysenterprise5134because gru i dead
He's in a constant state of homelessness
Who the fuck is he selling demon weapons to?
And Dante's speed would be immeasurable, as he is stated to move beyond time according to lore
I'm always down to document more. Would you be able to share where specifically this lore is referenced? Thanks
@@DigitaltYT Him scaling to The Beastheads and Pluto and Void Mundus
@@DigitaltYT Devil May Cry Peak of Combat takes place after DMC3 and before DMC1. Idk why but Capcom's made it clear through their statements this is canon.
Anyway let's dive in...
Pluto is faster than his personal Ripper hunters, who can cover the Underworld in less than a day to hunt their prey, with the Underworld having been confirmed to be infinite in size by multiple sources. Can travel and bypass the dimensional axis of the time stream with sheer speed
Mind you this is from a japanese to english translator (who is japanese himself and from in game references.
Speed goes listed like
Dante & Vergil and likely Nero(all from EOS DMC5)>Urizen>DMC5 Dante>DMC4 Dante>DMC2 Dante> DMC1 Dante/Demon Kings>Ripper Hunters. As with any franchise (most of the time) characters only get stronger with time passing by. I can put more names but I'm putting key characters for a general idea.
And this is DMC Peak of Combat and after is DMC1, Anime,DMC2 Novel, DMC2, DMC 4 Novel, DMC4, DMC5 Novels, DMC5. So even if we do basic scaling. They are of immeasurable speed.
Important note: Souls in Devil May Cry are 9-D constructs... so this may be an answer as to why Nero caught up somewhat in power to Dante & Vergil at the end with both of them wondering what happened with Nero. He may have awakened that 9-D construct within himself. Which possibly Dante & Vergil have not done. Unless explicitly stated.
@@dantesparda4493 This doesn't seem right, because it invalidates any possible fight Dante has had against any enemy ever, essentially. It is also an example of lore for effect vs. Lore in practicality: since the Underworld is infinite in size, it's impossible for anything to search the entirety of the underworld in any given time, and if something could, it simply defies any kind of logic or really laws of reason, meaning that trying to powerscale someone like Dante in this is just useless.
Basically, they make those comparisons to make it absurd and supernatural just how powerful these things are, but in doing so, you can't ever use it as evidence of powerscaling because it leads to the conclusion: no fight ever in this series would ever happen like it did because everyone is too impossibly powerful to lose or even fight
@@TranscientFelix I know it doesn't seem right. But retcons happen due to In real life problems like
1. Making prequels YEARS after the franchise debut
2. Inconsistent feats (Like silver age Superman getting knocked out by a regular missile even though he can go toe to toe with darkseid and actually beat him effortlessly)
3. Adding lore at a much later time
4. Resources couldn't make media (manga anime cartoon comics games etc.) accurate to lore because of limited animation problems (time, not enough staff,not strong enough engine or software etc.)
5. Company has financial problems
6. The list can go on.
I'd love to say more but it is what it is. Were they immeasurable speed ever since? no.
But because of a prequel lore. Well they do have immeasurable speed now. Even though Dante is still shown running normally to stop V from merging with urizen when clearly he can go faster than that.
I just know it was for plot reasons,for Vergil to come back.
Dante is one of the very, very few video game characters I could put in the DC/Marvel comics continuities and not watch him get utterly stomped immediately. And that is not a statement that can be made lightly, those comic writers have zero chill. Dante is one of the few who can match them, plus he looks stylish while doing it
Dante, Vergil, Doomslayer, Asura, Kratos and Bayonetta would solo the entire DC/Marvel universes!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je I'm going to assume that's either a joke I'm getting whooshed by, or you don't know who the Flash and Superman are
@@TheRoboKitty I'm joking, but this would be such a powerful team!
@@TheRoboKitty superman would get curb stomped if doomslayer and kratos teamed up against him lol.
@@mobbarley1102 Superman can fly to Alpha Centauri and back in about five seconds. That's fast enough to pulp Dante just by *walking forward.* DC Comics feats are on a ridiculous level above pretty much every other fictional franchise
pizza makes dante stronger, it's the source of his power
with no olives of course
Strawberry sundaes too..
🙏🙏
Pizza Tower
Dont let Vergil read this 😭🙏
I love how comically overpowered Dante is in lore. Like it couldn’t be more obvious how a lot of this stuff was written to just sound cool, like how Ifrit is supposed to be above the like maximum heat level of Hell but Dante wields it with no issue. It makes trying to figure out the actual powers of everything kinda crazy, but it is very fun.
Could he beat Berial and King Cerberus? Or Balrog? If it came down to how powerful their fire is?
or how yamato is said to cut through anything
Plot twist: Dante is actually capable of breaking reality with his ignorance.
Royal Guard for example:
Enemy: I'm gonna smack you
Dante: Nuh uh
*does a pose he saw in a movie*
yet people say kratos can beat him
@@linneausmsiska1184tbf the only things we see able to block it from cutting are things that hold equal or greater power than it, even with the statue of the savior it still pierced it but it lost its momentum after doing so and required something to push it further in, beyond that it very easily cuts anything even reality so yeah I'd say the sword can cut pretty much anything
In the enemy files of dmc5 Im pretty sure its stated that Urizen was drawing power from the qlipoth while sitting on his throne so he mightve actually been slightly depowered when he got up to kill nero
This is true, it's just insane that he beats Dante while sitting there lol
No, Urizen was absorbing blood from the Qliphoth while on the throne.
So for the entire month he went uncontested, Urizen actually got MASSIVELY amped. Him getting up from the chair meant he was no longer gaining power but he still had the blood boost.
So Nero fought a massively amped Urizen and still broke the crystal.
@@xenowarrior282 i dont think it matters or the writers even considered it.
The whole point was that direct means to get power dont really matter and Nero wins in the end simply because of how close he is to Sparda's legacy and ideals, compared to his separated and misguided sons.
XDDD Yeah, maybe. xd He lost some of his veins! ;D
@@DigitaltYT Nah, he's goddamn powerful. What was insane wasn't that he beats Dante while sitting there, it was that he's being that strong to shatter Rebellion into pieces. :D
Well, the game is built around Dante playing with his enemies so he canonically never took anyone other than Vergil seriously. He's pulling his punches for Stylish points. He'd get a D rating if he destroys everything in one hit.
Mundus too
Yea maybe thats why hell and heaven mode is invented xD
Style ranks indicate how "Serious" Dante was in that particular mission. Just food for thought.
so that's why my style points never go up I always kill things as quickly as possible to get them out of my way so I can get more of the story
that's very arguable and not "cannonical" at all
Since demons get power from human blood and dante's blood is half & half, he has just about an infinite supply of power
sadly they need to consume or devour the human blood.. so it does not work like that.
We all know that, his true source of power, is Pizza, and Strawberry Sunday.
they are technically nephilims like beings half human half demon like nephilims but instead half angel i said technically because the biblical lore is confusing as always like other religion lore so many versions but the first is titanic white body human shaped giants
@@rverusuvergils is berry delight
@@unendingessence4001 soo cambions?
all that speed and yet he still couldn't stop a malnourished emo kid from plunging his walking stick into Urizen's chest eyeball thing, while standing a few meters away
safe to say Dante lowkey wanted his bro back
we all wanted his bro back
you forgot they were already in a time rift with a giant spacial fracture happening as this all went down. I’m pretty sure they were all moving a lot faster than what you actually saw for that to have been the return of vergil himself
@@EBKDanteMustDie im like 90% sure that was all an illusion created by the tree, you can see once vergil returned they were simply in another room of the tree once the apple was eaten and Urizen was killed, and as Urizen was being beaten the illusion started to shattered (the spacial fracture you were mentioned)
Even then there's no way V is faster then Dante, idc if its fully healthy V, Dante could've stopped his ass, and its pretty clear dante connected the dots on what was going on wayyy before V and Nero even arrived and he still let V stumble his way over there and monologue to his demon half
Obviously its just for the sake of plot
But my headcannon says Dante half ass'd it cuz he wanted his bro back but knew letting Vergil reincarnate would put too many lives at risk and his better half decided last second to try and at least do SOMETHING cuz maybe he doubted his ability to stop vergil in his old age
@@fobo3361 you’re sure it was an illusion so therefore logic doesn’t apply as to why doesn’t instantly stop v
@@EBKDanteMustDie or y'know...inconsistent power scaling
Dante's DMC5 theme made it very clear.
You cannot kill him.
Not true. Every time I fight Fury’s I die
@@DigitaltYT unironically just a skill issue
He is Omega
He is subhuman
@@DigitaltYTnuh uh that rolling bastards with no spikes are more annoying especially as V
When it comes to dante he takes the saying "Fuck around and find out" and rewrites it too "once I fuck around you will find out"
For someone sooooo chill, it is crazy how scary he is from the perspective of 99% of his foes.
He also once said “Flock off, feather face, or you can stick around and find out the hard way.”
Quicksilver is both. It's time controlling abilities and makes you fast. As the game specifically states this "Send out a dimensional time-rift wave that slows down your enemies while giving you ultra-high speed. Also, while in Quicksilver mode, you will constantly consume DT energy."
people also forget that Dante (being a video game character) gains DT runes by attacking enemies, taunting, and blocking their attacks. If you play like me keeping quicksilver readily available is super easy even at higher difficulties.
@@EBKDanteMustDie Actually this is irrelevant, because in lore, Dante doesn't really run out of DT unless he was facing a more powerful opponent. As Kamiya have put it, Dante can stay in DT Form permanently if he really wishes to.
@@ThePowerscalingCinephile i never said he ran out of dt lore wise i’m just saying it’s easy to keep an infinite amount of dt by keeping the style meter high
@@EBKDanteMustDie Oh okay yeah you right gameplay wise
Did you know the faster your movement - the slower the time around you.
I've already seen his dance moves. His powers are immeasurable
There’s a reason why Dante is in the video game powerhouse club with Kratos and Doom Slayer
Sin Devil trigger was available in the literal first game. You just needed to activate DT at extremely low health. Edit; guys, I get it. It was in the second game, not the first
You mean the Second. The Majin
What you’re referring to is actually majin form/devil trigger from DMC2.
@@mistakenumber7880 apologies, I had a minor mandela effect
@@Rahnonymous no worries, mate. happens to the best of us.
But in the first one you do get sparda dt at the end fight with mundus which was powerful
A bit unrelated to how strong Dante is on his own, but at the end of DMC5 it's somewhat implied that Dante and Vergil working together as a team are stronger than Sparda was on his own. While not outright stated, the general vibe of the scene between the two of them seems to be about how far they've come. Although still somewhat reluctant about it, the implication is that Vergil is starting to come around to Dante's way of thinking in regards to the importance of family bonds. Dante and Vergil have very different and contrary fighting styles, so the two of them fighting together as a team means that they would be able to cover for each other's weaknesses while taking advantage of each other's strengths. They create a unit greater than the sum of its parts, and very well may have finally surpassed their father in doing so.
I pretty much gathered the same thought on how the brothers are interacting now. Hopefully in the next couple weeks I finish a video on how I would write DMC6, continuing on from DMC5
I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain, like 99%, that Dante was already more powerful than Sparda by 2, and that individually the two brothers could slay anyone sans each other. This feels just like overkill for the sake of family bonding
@@seijuroakashi9178 The biggest problem I have with Dante surpassing Sparda is not because Sparda is weak but it seems more hyperbolic than true
Remember it is always "others" narrating about Dante surpassing Sparda.
YET Urizen who is only 50% true Sparda blood via Vergil's demon half..... defeated Dante effortlessly. And this is DMC5 Dante who far outclasses his previous selves.
Not to mention the new lore that Sparda had one blade and split it into three. I'm already more intrigued in knowing the true Prime Sparda because clearly he was seriously underestimated by most fans. But not me. I'm trying to make sense and put 1 and 1 to make it 2 and have it make sense.
Dante has 2 swords
Vergil has 1 sword and the Qliphoth fruit
Which means a Qliphoth fruit equates to 1 sword of Sparda. Which is insane because 3 parts are each 33.33%. (mathematically speaking)
It makes sense because Mundus NEEDED the Qliphoth fruit to beat Pluto... and Sparda defeated Mundus along with leaving him a permanent hole in his chest.
We look at DMC1. Dante used the Sparda sword against Mundus at the end.
Again 33.33% was more than enough to beat Mundus who we have to assume still has the fruit powers.
We can always talk and agree to disagree. But I just wanted people to know that looking at it face value isn't the way Capcom works, they like to insinuate, hyperbolically state things, and of course "narrate" it as though it may or may not be truth.
@@dantesparda4493 just as a side note: 33.3% is assuming equal power distribution between the swords. If the yamato was 40% of spardas power, then quiploth fruit is only 10% sparda.
Additionally, that's assuming the sum of all 3 swords aren't lesser than a full sparda into split into swords, which honestly isn't all that unlikely.
You tellin me that the power Vergil sought all along was the family he had the whole time? Fast and Furious was right, all you need is family
Talking about reaction speeds, as a teen, he is able to react to shots fired at him at point blank, while aiming his own weapons and blocking bullets with bullets, all while in a flip.
He does this to lady in dmc 3, keep in mond shes firing machine pistols while he himself only has semi automatic hand guns
He also never needs to reload
Dante's pistols were made for rapid fire, because of his demonic abilities he's capable of shooting much faster than any regular human, that lead to many of his guns jamming in the process and becoming useless, until Nell Goldstein made Ebony & Ivory for him
What I absolutely love about the implications of the design and lore is that the Swords themselves might possibly be Sparda himself split into 3 pieces but Rebellion was made so he could be resurrected again once all 3 combine. This further evidenced by the game itself because our very Devil Arms are living. Alastor, Ifrit, Beowulf, Agni x Rudra, and Cerberus as notable examples. Cerberus was also guarding and sealing the entrance with his ice only allowing the worthy to enter and take his strength. Artemis was a Demonic Gun that was used as a part of the rituals of the seals as well. Another living thing. We also have no idea how Sparda was so strong. Did he also use the Fruit from the Qlipoth? He some other demonic means unseen? Was he losing control of himself like Vergil did? So many mysteries...
for the sparda part I might have a answer sparda is more like dante and vergil combined but weaker then them if we're saying devil may cry 5 and 4 so sparda had a heart of a human and from that and a proper mind he surpassed all demons intil he disappeared and I'm not sure I'm bad at explaining so don't think I'm right if don't want to
@@cktankgirl5236 its stated in the lore book that Dante only surpassed sparda after gaining access to sin devil trigger since that devil trigger is the power of the blade of sparda combined with the rebellion and Dante's own power.
@@calebstephan2083 you definitely know way more then me and that's cool
@@calebstephan2083 that doesn't make any sense and that's why power scaling is pointless, because sparda had to do all this stuff to seal mundus away whereas dante (in dmc 1, aka not at fall strength) just needed trish to do... whatever she did to seal mundus, then in dmc 2 he seals argosax as well, THEN in dmc 5 he gets even stronger with the sin devil trigger. how can dante only match sparda in 5 when he repeated sparda's feats so much earlier on in his life?
@@dankerbell less that it doesn't make sense and more that you just don't understand.
Dante is one of my favorite fictional characters of all time. He is stupid powerful and cool. People don’t understand GOD of War is inspired by this franchise and Dante.
God of war is definitely inspired by DMC and most people know that all ready however the gow2018 they may not know that because that game and ragnarok play more like souls games. another reason kratos will never beat dante is because those games like aerial combat and fans i’ve spoken to blame it on developers not being able to showcase how powerful kratos is which is complete bs.
The Greek verse mainly. It's cool how dmc5 kept that same old format though for gameplay
If only it's combat didn't suck eggs. Shoulda taken more than what they did.
DMC's combat is very good wht are yu talkng about ?@@NamesSmeg
I told someone recently, why play god of war when u have dmc
this was great. loved the video. i was expecting you to use the feats from the novels. and also for context concerning mundus, he himself admitted that he probably wouldn't have been able to defeat vergil back in dmc3 if he wasn't so exhausted from his previous battle with dante. that alone kind of seems like an anti-feat for dante until you remember that this was a weakened form of mundus and not him with his full power like the one we see in dmc1. also please do a vergil video eventually.
Thanks for the feedback, and glad you liked the video! I did reference Visions of V a few times, and don’t believe there is much to pull from day Volumes 1 or 2 as far as feats. Totally agree on the Vergil vs Mundus fight. I would say that’s fair on that seeming like an anti feat, this was mentioned because they did fight, and Mundus is one of the strongest in the series. Good call though. Vergil one is in the backlog, got a couple of things I’m working on, but that will happen. Thanks!
@@DigitaltYT yeah. i've seen some people use that "anti-feat" as an argument that dmc3 vergil is stronger than dmc1 dante. which takes a lot of blatantly ignoring the evidence of the power scaling in the first game to think that since both dante and mundus are significantly stronger there. and dante still wouldn't have been able to defeat him in a one on one. also, dante already surpassed sparda in dmc4. so he's already far exceeded him in power by 5 especially when he gets his SDT. same with vergil since they're basically even in that game and it's implied their fight could go either way or it would end in a draw.
Well, you're wrong. Firstly, Vergil and Dante were equal in terms of power after Dante has unlocked his Devil Trigger as well. In their second fight it was a draw and in their third fight Dante has won with motivation and that Vergil wasn't using Yamato but Force Edge. How you don't consider it is mind-blowing given you look like a veteran DMC fan. Secondly, it still kind of seems like an anti-feat for Dante given Dante has beaten Mundus with the help of his father, Sparda's power. That is even more mind-blowing how the DMC community is stupidly taking Dante's victory over Mundus as if it was his own power. Doesn't matter that he has surpassed Sparda in power in DMC2 that time when he has beaten Mundus he wasn't there yet. Bro are you guys a deadbrain? Not even considering OBVIOUS points when coming to a conclusion? lmao. I don't wanted to be rude but it's just my criticism to being incapable of considering obvious things. Really I got tired from this stupidity of the community(talking in general, not about you) like people were saying that NeRo Is VeRgIl'S sOn BeCaUsE dAnTe SaId YaMaTo ShOuLd StAy At ThE FaMiLy when literally, LITERALLY he points at himself when saying that that he was meaning himself. XDDD Oh, haven't played DMC1 yet. Why it was his weakened form? What made it possible him to be at full power?
@@Reseptics Nah, they were equal, how the hell they dare to say that. lmao. :D Not Dante, Dante with his father's sword. Dunno if you consider other enemies rather than just Mundus but it's said for only Mundus. And I don't get this concept "power scaling." Like how the hell do you tell how the power scaling works? Can you enlighten me? Yeah, because first he was strengthened by Mundus and second for not being sane he has failed even with significantly power difference. Otherwise if he was sane as Vergil Dante got no chance against him. :D Nah, not in DMC4, in DMC2. Dunno if DMC4 was after DMC2 or not. But it's said for DMC2 long ago already. :P Bro wtf? What you have just said doesn't make sense at all. First you're comparing Dante from DMC5 to Vergil(Nelo Angelo actually) from DMC1 when you were arguing about the claim that DMC3 Vergil was being stronger than DMC1 Dante then you're comparing Dante from DMC5 to Vergil from DMC5. What? It's just a plain logic. Just because now they are equal in DMC5 "alone" doesn't imply that DMC3 Vergil wasn't stronger than DMC1 Dante. You should consider events happened there. Dante has surpassed his father by keep fighting strong enemies. So it's not about time, it's about how that time has passed. Though Vergil hasn't even fought all this years but still he has reached the same power as Dante. So I think the power gains are not adding up to your current power in DMC like when you use Sparda's sword, you get a fixed power. So fruit didn't add up into Vergil's current power via SDT but carried him to the same power level as Dante, same with Dante on SDT.
@@DigitaltYT yo I read that the demon u showed with the claws runs within the time stream. I'm assuming u put him at mftl only be a use it uses it like wormholes? It's not raw top tier speed like let's say superman?
Dante's feats are insane, but it's hilarious to me, the only times vergil has ever lost is directly after battling Dante, his literal equal.
Mundus captures vergil because Dante cuts him in half while hell is collapsing.
Arkhum kicks vergil off the tower, because Dante drew him to a standstill, and in jester's own words 'you are wounded and weak'
Nero only defeats vergil (this time none fatality) because Dante was exhausted after fighting vergil on top of the chilphod tree.
Literally everything in that universe is fodder to the brothers bar each other. Cos it's stated human blood amplifies demonic power immensely and them being cambions is to OP.
Even if Vergil wasn’t tired he still would have been beaten by Mundas probably but yeah
even if vergil wasnt wounded and exhausted from dantes fight he still probably wouldve lost to mundus, an older, stronger and more experienced dante had a lot of trouble with mundus in dmc1 so i dont think vergil wouldve done much better. i also hope to see how strong nero can get in the next game
I question Vergil's loss to Nero being *solely* from his fight with Dante, given how much that whole sequence sells Nero.
But part of that is bias, and your point actually goes even further. Remember DMC4? Remember everything Dante went through there, including two punchups with "the kid who could crack buildings", the first of which he was *stopping himself from hurting Nero during* by restraining his devil trigger?
And then his one-on-one fight with the Savior, where by the end of it he was finally forced to block rather than dodge? And even though the Savior shut down as it hit him, that's still a catastrophic amount of impact, and he was *fine* ?
Yeah, *that's* what it takes to tire Dante out. And that's how strong he was *before* the events of 5.
@@billyboleson2830 He wouldn’t. As of “Before The Nightmare”, it was stated that if Vergil wasn’t weakened by his defeat against Dante he would have beaten Mundus (A very weakened Mundus keep in mind).
@@SpardaSon20 that's a retcon and you know it. It totally diminishes the power and status of Mundus.
The main issue I have with these Dante videos are the weapons, since he canonnically sells most of them or gives them to his friends between games. The only weopons he has in his most powerful state at the end of DMCV are: Devil Sword Dante, Ebony & Ivory, Balrog and the ones you find in DMCV.
wrong. In Umvc3 all his weapons appear and disappears at will. Same for DMC3, 4, and 5. Reason being that he absorbs the souls of these demons as he defeats them but he has been stated to sell the physical weapons themselves however being that Vergil still has beowulf that proves that they can manifest these weapons at will. Mirage edge is literally a spectral version of the force edge. DSD is an upgraded version of the sparda sword and what not so it’s not beyond posibility for dante to have all his weapons theoretically
@@EBKDanteMustDie The mirage edge is just an enhanced summoned sword (they all look like the force edge) also in DMC3 Vergil can't use the Beowulf in the third fight because Dante has it, meaning the copies theory doesn't work, he probably just stole or resummoned the original from it's current owner.
@@EBKDanteMustDie Also UMvC3 Dante is DMC3 Dante meaning at that point he canonnically posesses all those weapons.
@@patientnr.0409 people really undermine how important UMVC3 actually is because its the 1st and probably last time we’ll ever see DMC3 Dante/Vergil and DMC1 Trish in an Original HD Artstyle that actually looks good. UMVC3 doesn’t follow human logic either obviously since Trish has sparda and vergil still has force edge.
@@patientnr.0409 it literally says in DMC5 that mirage edge is a spectral version of the force edge. Summon swords are all spectral versions of the force edge that he uses to add extra damage to his combos. this is why he was so overpowered in dmc3. Playable vergil can use Beowulf in all fights and even boss vergil still uses beowulf at higher difficulties. Dmc doesn’t follow human logic at all
Dante is daddy... hot husbando... very cool and stylish. He used pizza-flavored perfumes that makes chicks hungry for him.
And men
Lady is just tsundere for him
Wacky woohoo pizza man
Hey youtuber, another information: Dante does have Royal Guard Style lore wise. In DMC 4 Fortuna Level Dante uses one of the Royal Guard Techniques "Dreadnaught" (which uses RG energy) against the saviour's beam to block it. Now based on what u have replied me in my last comment, now u might regret not reading that fortuna novel even more.
lol u dork
that novel is not canon to the games, apparently, don't quote me on this tho lol
feel free to make your own video
@@KaiSC novel is indeed canon to the games you have no evidence to tell me why they aren't.
@@KaiSC It is directly stated by Matt Walker that all the novels and manga are canon.
Not to mention, a lot of the dmc4 novel exclusive information made its way into the dmc5 novel and the game itself.
I remember when this nigga solved Pandora's box in 10 seconds and was using it like a toy and people have the nerve to question his intelligence lol
And every new weapon he gets is used to flex on you efficiently and they try to say he's not very skilled in combat lol
He's a jack of all trades in what he does and a master of them all
Could be just a talent he has and not 2000iq. I’ve seen guys who are wizards with mechanics but don’t know a lick of maths or physics.
@@julianlak1017 He's also a détective, musician, mercenary, expert marksman, master swordsman, defeated swordsman with thousands of years of experience trained by his father, battle IQ is ridiculous, a trickster, etc
I mean, there's nothing to solve when it comes to Pandora. Not like it's a puzzle or anything. Plus, it works on imagination, so it's probably the easiest weapon to use/figure out.
And Royalguard is both as well. It negates, blocks, and minimizes damage if we take account every game description.
I already know Dante and Vergil's true power, just fight against them in umvc3 and see for yourself
This is the correct answer
Trish/Vergil is better than Dante/Vergil. Source: Me
GOAT comment
its impossible to not make vergil op in every game he is in
Wesker is up there too then lol but in universe dante/vergil would annihilate wesker.
Wasn't there the Majin Devil Trigger in DMC 2, also referred to as Ultimate Devil, I think it's also called Sin Devil Trigger.
Can't wait for a DMC where sparda is main character.
Dante and Virgil are the most badass videogame characters ever
Amen
Counter argument: *_NANOMACHINES, SON!_*
@@CoralCopperHead counter argument's counter argument: JACKPOT!
Kratos joins the chat
@@christianwright6977 kratos is a bald fodder character
Just to be clear I’m pretty sure his “combat experience” is part of his devil power. He turns demons he defeats into weapons. So naturally his power lets him just master the weapon automatically. Thats the powerful part of it. He doesn’t even need any “battle experience” he just learns it all autimatically. However he did have to learn how to use his two guns and rebellion cuz he had to start somewhere right?
I always just assumed Dante got a lot of practice when he was younger or Sparda trained him
While that is true for the most part, it doesn't let him COMPLETELY master a weapon.
The biggest example is Yamato. In the dmc4 novel, Trish remarks that she's never seen Dante use a Katana, yet he was really good at it. However, Dante himself states that the Judgement Cut he uses is a cheap copy of Vergil's.
The same powers apply to Nero, but he's even less experienced with Yamato as he has no frame of reference like Dante does.
Nah he just has wicked precision, hand eye coordination and bodily control so couple that with some of the most powerful demonic magic and you get being good at any weapon you can get your hands on. Ever.
@@xenowarrior282 ah okay well thats still really powerful. Be able to somewhat master any weapon just by touching it is pretty powerful. And just making your own out of the stuff you kill. Oh and being borderline immortal its no wonder why sparda was the most powerful demon. Also I’m pretty sure i heard that Dante and Vergil can choose to just not age if they stay in devil trigger form but they choose not to and be human. So really the devil trigger meter is more of a suggestion if anything.
@@xenowarrior282 That remark from Trish seems kinda silly, Katanas work pretty much the same as any other basic sword, being easier to use than Dante's regular giantswords if anything
Dante cant be defeated, but i know one thing that he cannot win. Debts and Taxes
My man really pulled out the facts like Matpat does on his theories. Love thus content, whereas I'll be subscribing to him.
Glad you liked the video. I got a bunch more in the works as well
Ooof, I was wondering why I wanted to run away, and hearing someone compare this guy to that jackass explained it in less than a second. Thanks.
Dante scales to complex multiversal since DMC1, you missed a lot of feats from the manga and novels. The reason he would be at complex is due to the nature of the demon world, its a higher dimensional plane than the human world. Dante in terms of speed is immeasurable; because the first demon and demon king pluto has hunters that can cover every inch of the infinite demon world in a day giving them infinite speed, pluto is stated to be faster than his hunters and able to travel through time with sheer speed alone classifying his speed as immeasurable. Mundus created nightmare which can lift or destroy the entire demon world, and since the demon world is higher dimensionally that gives him complex multiversal AP/Durability, mundus is able to subdue nightmare with a finger (shown in the manga) making mundus many times stronger than nightmare, mundus is also the one who overpowered pluto to claim the title king. These are all feats from DMC1 alone just to put him at complex. You'd be surprised on what he was able to accomplish in the novels.
I didn't even know there _were_ novels
Mundus can also create pocket dimensions instantly and at will as well. Its what you initially fight him in in DMC 1
@@LieThePenguin it wasn't a pocket dimension, it was a whole universe as confirmed by hideki kamiya.
Not to mention Dante seems to immediately learn how to use a weapon. No training needed. Dude just picks it up and is immediately a master at using it.
You should read on the novels and the lore too, a human soul in DMC is considered a 9 dimensional structure
The sons of Sparda regeneration is pretty god-like, alot of other things like the beast heads that are stated to control reality, but we can't fault you for not knowing at the time, that takes alot of work to record and research
And that's Complex Multiversal Level so given that Dante and Vergil are above all humans by far, as of DMC5, are they above 9D? Yes. What's the only level above Complex Multiversal? Outerversal 😎
@@kilzfordays Crazy strong.
@@pizzaforever69 Yeah. SMD Dante is acc High Outer.
“Give me the Yamato
“You gotta up your L.O.V.E first brother”
stronger than i think? that man is a powerhouse! the games, all those games= perfect!
Damn, imagine what kind of thing Dante would become if he ate that fruit
My man , the only argument you need to make here is this:
ROYAL GUARD!
Without taking into account anything else he can do , RG instantly puts Dante at high Marvel level... he can literally Royal Guard a hit from Mjolnir , or a punch from the Hulk , or a plasma beam from IronMan
I wonder why Vergil didn't at least try to mimic the "Release" ability. Maybe his pride wouldn't allow it.
@@R4GNAR0G he doesn't know the RG its exclusive to Dante.
@@RAZONEbe_sep_aiii_0819 Vergil doesn't kinda has his own version of RG? In 5, he can do the same with the sheath of Yamato
Dante with Royal Guard is already op. Now imagine adding RG to his many other styles and weapons he got through the games, plus his unpredictable fight style.
He could beat most, if not all marvel and DC together.
Tomaxx Ghost that's still not the same and dangerous as Dante's RG. Dante's RG can literally stores the attack energy and release it at the enemy. Vergil just blocks enemy attacks with his sword thats all, hence making it only a defence.
Whereas Dante's RG is defence+store+counter attack+invulnerable and invincible dreadnaught (lore wise) etc.
So sorry Vergil's block is nowhere near as Dante's RG.
All of that you explain in the video for Dante. Is exactly the same thing for Vergil, since both Sparda twins are equals in everything, as and we see in DMC 5. Why also, don't forget that Vergil didn't die either despite being in a weak state. He managed to survive as well, recover of himself, find his humanity and return all a new version of Vergil.
Humanity in Mass Effect: We've built FTL drive! Yeehaw!
Dante: hOlD mY pIzZa. Wahoo!
And let's not forget that this man, indeed loves his pizza
big facts
I totally forgot it was scared of Dante's finger 😂
Finally been a long time with no Dante scaling videos
Dante is one of the strongest beings ever, and he still can't get a job done right to be able to pay off his debts
It's also funny that due to how strong he is, it means he's taking fights so unseriously. He doesnt even break a sweat with some of the final bosses (in theory)
I don't know if it's important to mention, but Dante received 2 power boost in DMCV if I'm correct. I haven't played in a while ( so don't quote me.), but I think the Griffin mentioned that he's more powerful than before when he woke up. It seems like the Quiphode was feeding him energy as well while he was tangled in the roots for that month he was out cold.
This is correct. In the character profiles Dante has an "awakened" state now, which is before SDT. Thanks for the reminder!
He was absorbing some of the blood for the Qliphoth tree so yea
So what ur saying is that Dante is one of the few characters that could survive longer than 5 minutes while fighting Kirby? Thats impressive.
Fun fact Dante doesn’t have all those weapons after each game he sells most of them too his old broker who buys demon arms to make sure they can’t randomly possess and harm people so he can’t just pull all of these out at the drop of a hat but he is very proficient with any weapon he touches but he doesn’t carry a arsenal on him at all time
With some I don't think he sells them he just shoves them in storage and just forgets where he left them conveniently
He always has rebellion and ebony and ivory though. Plus what ever gauntlet weapon of the game
The thumbnail lowkey gave me Devil May Cry 2 vibes.
That game was straight depression.
pretty stylish video, hope it blows up
Glad you liked it and thanks!
Id like to add for the purposes of scaling that it likely takes far more energy to seal a demon than to kill it, as when killed, a demon simply reforms in the underworld, a portion of its power lost
We need a game as his father
theres a reason why his theme has the lyrics “YOU CANNOT KILL ME”
Just a bit of extra proof Dante is Universal+. Mundus was stated by Kamiya(the creator of DMC1) that the zone they fought in was a whole other universe that he created. So he created on the spot another entire universe just for kicks to fight Dante inside of. Further on, in a novel later on he would fight an even stronger Mundus that had taken over the universe in a separate universe, that was literally the universe itself. Dante defeated him, without Sparda and this was before DMC2.
Dante then Defeats Argosax which is implied story wise to be relative to a Mundus level threat in base in DMC2, finishing him off with Ivory no less.
He is capable of surviving slashes from a dimension and CONCEPT cutter in Yamato, along with countering its blows at full strength.
Dante is implied to be greater in power than his father in the DMC4 files.
Dante of course is dominated by Urizen, who then goes on a whole month snacking on power of the roots of the tree, on top of getting a Mundus casual universe creating and inifinite void destroyer creating buff on top of it, and still handidly beats him with his Sin DT power up. Not just that but he ties with Vergil which is at bare minimum more skilled with said power, if not significantly stronger because human blood empowers demonic blood.
The guy is multiple tiers above himself at the start of DMC5 by the end, let alone from before DMC2 which was already universe+ with his defeat of the alternate Mundus and casual defeating of Argosax. Dudes broken.
so mid-game Nero > Start of game Dante
Best thing about scaling dante is that he's a two-for-one special. Dante and Vergil are constantly going back and forth in strength, which means if Dante has a feat, you can assume Vergil can do that too, and vice versa.
Dante & Vergil are both Legendary 🔥🔥
Trueeee
“But could He beat goku tho”
*YES*
The Bangle of Time appears to stop time completely but with your theory it could literally just be Dante moving so fast that it just looks that way.😊
bro is the saitama of Devil May Cry
Beowolf's Gaunt is the sexiest weapon in the entire series for me
angel feather's effect and moveset is cool af
Pandora can turn into a Ship and fire a barrage of missiles
i spammed air trick to dodge all his attacks and ended with SSS💀💀💀💀💀💀
wait til you see me play DMC4 Nero any spam his Devil Bringer with Charge Shot on Automatic :)
Who else thought that Dmc2's Devil Trigger was sick asf? Its awesome, that they incorporated his guns into the form, and basically upgraded them while the form was active.
Dante was featured in SMT and everyone knows SMT scaling is crazy.
SMT Dante is not canon, but is still interesting xd
Not canon be he don't need it to be
I would love a separate video explaining the power scaling of Guns in DMC!
And yet, he struggles to pay taxes.
no matter how many times I cap the red orb count in a game, each game he is still struggling to keep the lights on
Just imagine that Dante's speed is 72900000000 mph, but in dmc 5 cutscenes he forgot it. Lmao.
Mf forgot he has summoned swords and GUNS, he absolutely just let V have it
nice job, but you missed the fact that Sparda sword wasnt "activated" yet by the time of dmc 3.
the soul of Sparda had place in Spardas amulet, which was separated in two pieces to be the legacy to his sons.
when it was brought back to life it didnt consume or affected such imbeciles like pope or the V stands for i got no power. Spardas raw might affected archam.
Gives a whole new meaning to Dante Must Die mode
Even on paper, this game is easily one of the coolest 🤣🤣
I swear Dante gets hurt by a small explosion
Long story short Dante is high 1-c according to the lore and feats he has shown
I've always thought of the in-game difficulty as, from the perspective of the player character, "how much of a damn do I give today?" in which harder modes = the less they care about winning
Dude, this video is fantastic! Finally someone has went in-depth on Dante's true capabilities, and you did it amazingly.
I remain completely unconvinced that Dante is one of the most powerful protagonists in gaming! 🍕
Glad you enjoyed it! These ones take quite a bit of work, and I’m happy it paid off. Dante is an absolute monster in the video game genre
So when he runs with his speed buffs he would be the same speed to himself but to everything else he's got godspeed
hell if we wanna talk about Dante's speed as a factor, if we look back to DMC3 in the first vergil fight.
DANTE+VERGIL MADE AN AREA DEVOID OF RAIN IN THE MIDDLE OF A RAINSTORM, And again, THIS WAS BEFORE HE HAD DEVIL TRIGGER.
Smarter people than me can do the math on that one, but i'd still say that's pretty impressive. That Plus immediately after he runs down the side of the tower fast enough to begin igniting the air around him.
Not very impressive speed feat compared to other stuff he has
If dante uses sin devil trigger, quick silver and alastor, then dante can begin his own space program
Sin devil trigger first appearance was in Devil May Cry 2. It was called Majin devil trigger but because Majin already means "devil" that's why the name changed in DMC5. In DMC2 I think Dante had access to this ability and wasn't able to control it or understand how to even activate it until DMC5, hence why in DMC2 it can rarely be activated on low health.
Sin Devil Trigger and Majin Form are explicitly completely different forms.
Also iirc, in no official media is it ever called Majin Form. The only time it's ever mentioned is in the DMC2 guidebook and it's called the Desperate Devil Trigger.
Dande: Is Massively FTL
Also Dande: Haha, guns go bang bang!
Is inmensurable speed
He doesn’t have immeasurable speed listen I’ve have been asking so many dmc fans or people that powerscale dante to give me scans and proof that dante does in fact move at immeasurable as for I know I have only gotten to infinite speed
Sparda was a general in the demon world
Lady shot Dante point blank in the forehead and Dante's just like wow dude cool
I mean, I would be mad. Dead. But also mad
I wish Capcom had made a remake of Devil May Cry 1,3 and a new installment of Onimusha on RE:Engine.
3:06 Dante uses release against one of the demons that stab him in the begining of DMC3
DMC5 Dante (base form, DT): outerversal+ (is on par with his brother Vergil, whose power is far greater than that of Urizen DMC5 Dante (sin DT): nigh-omnipotent (is inspired to the perfect devil trigger, whose power was stated to be seemingly all-powerful).
And btw, Dante has the bangle of time acquired in dmc1 which gives him the power of time freeze
Don’t presume to know what I think. I know what this man is capable of
Mindus created universe to fight Dante.
And years after dante defeated a stronger mundus un base (lol)
I could have sworn I read somewhere that Dante sells most of his equipment between games to cover the rent for his business.
Due to a the SMT verse being cannon due to the anime being used in the official DMC timeline Dante would scale to somewhere in the High Outerversal ballpark at base
What does SMT mean?
@@a.ragguette4855 shin Megami tensei I believe, it’s a video game franchise that Dante appears in.
@@kierancc544 thnks
@@yekkub9425Man, all that to still be wrong
@@yekkub9425 I just don't argue with idiots, it's a waste of time
This is one of the best videos I've ever seen.
Hey can you explain why do you multiply quicksilver with the Alastair sword instead of adding them? I’m having a major debate with my friends and they have me quite stuck
Let’s say I can run at 10 miles per second, and I run for 10 seconds, that would be 100 miles I ran. Then I can slow down time around me to have it move at 1/10th speed. Now with that speed and time, I can run 10 times that, not only 2 times. So I would run 1000 miles in 10 seconds with the time slowdown, and not 20 miles with the time slowdown.
@@DigitaltYT I thought quicksilver only made Dante faster and it doesn’t slow down time.
@@cookiechoco1161 it slows down time around him to allow him to move at lightning speeds. Which is why everything around him appears so slow, and Dante would appear so fast to them
@@cookiechoco1161 It is explicitly described as a demonic time wave in its description
Dante must die, doesn't say he will
Didn't base form Dante (dmc3) ran so fast down teminigru that he was in fire?
Yuppers
6:27
genuine question, how do you reconcile someone being able to move faster than light while not absolutely demolishing the earth beneath them? I'm not talking about demonic/magical types of movement, but simple biomechanical running, to accelerate his body to those speeds by running, the stomps to the ground would eviscerate the entire globe.
do we assume that newton's third law doesn't really hold? or do we scale the ground to have insane durability?
Bro you know that fiction is not real life and it’s A DAMN GAME💀🤣
@@A_25xs I'm not the busting out a calculator to quantify how strong a fictional character is. This comment should be directed to the video itself
There is a reason he is one of the godly trio
Godly Trio for DMC or Video Games?
@@DigitaltYT video games
@@justlike_09 who do you think are the other two?
@@DigitaltYT kratos & doomslayer
I love Dante because even if his stats are wildly high, he still pulls the strap on his enemies
Dante is basically the Flash 😅
Dante has the greatest power of all, STYLE!