One Villainous Scene: MAGNETO's Most CRUCIAL Moment in any X-Men Film } Marvel Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- As part of the One Villainous Scene project led by @NandovMovies we examine one of Magneto's Key Scenes: when he seduces John to the dark side. X2 is a seminal X-Men film, that shows the heights that this movies can climb to. And its best scene is only 80 seconds long, with 11 lines. And it shows why Magneto is the most dangerous villain the X-Men will ever face.
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Written and Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright
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What's your One Villainous Scene?
I have two villain scene that I deeply love:
1. *Wilson Fisk's Samaritian speech* in *Daredevil* Season One.
2. *Mr Freeze's Origin scene* in Batman The Animated Series episode *'Heart of Ice'*
I can't choose which one I love more, but I have a deep love for both of these villainous scenes.
Agent Smith monologue to Morpheus
Thanos giving gamora soup or the balance flashback
Horobi killing Izu in Kamen Rider Zero-One episode 42 “As Long as There’s Malice” as she offered him kindness in having humans and Humagears coexist peacefully
M. Bison's "For me, it was Tuesday" monologue
I think you missed the last step of the manipulation: Magneto doesn't give Pyro his lighter back the way he took it, with his powers. Using his power means showing superiority, as you stated. It would've seemed dismissive. So actually HANDING Pyro back his lighter shows equality, furthering the point of "you are like me, you are better than them, come with me if you want to give your life/power meaning"
I was literally about to comment this. It is the final touch on a masterclass in manipulation
Damn thats awesome
@Screencrush better pin this comment. Hands down
Nice catch.
@@karabomasibi2331 me too.
Screen crush: “magneto is ISIS”
Also screen crush: “magneto is Hagrid”
😂😂😂
Also screen crush again: “magneto is your mom”
So by the transitive property, Isis is Hagrid?
Yeah:D I think that second statement would work much better if it started with "From John's point of view..." and not "...another...".
@@SatyaVenugopal Scary stranger taking your kid, giving him a new sense of identity and way of living by convincing him to join in with a weird group of dangerous people that constantly gets him into deadly situations. Hmm. Fits way too well x'D As if that poor series hasn't suffered enough because of fucked up interpretations:'D
"Yer a Mutant, Harry! You must take the Ring to Mordor and cast it on the fires of Mt. Doom."
Wait... I think I mixed something wrong here...
It’s nice to see positive videos talking about the X-men films, it’s a shame people judge the entire series on the worst entries and ignore the good films
Agreed. The best X-Men movies are truly excellent, regardless of the terrible ones.
X2 is the best Marvel movie ever made.
@@robgronotte1 Definitely not
@@robgronotte1 Would you say that First Class and Days of Future's Past are in your list too?
@@thehobbyist7275 I think all of the Xmen movies are underrated compared with the MCU. They're not all great, but those two are also some of the best. Logan is probably my second favorite, although it's so different that it's almost a different genre.
Not to mention at the end of the scene, when he returns the lighter, he hands it to him instead of magnetically floating it back. Magneto isn't using his power, he's coming to John as a man, lowering himself to John's level (on a human level ironically) and that's the bow. The look he gives mystique is the "we got him"
One of my favorite villainous scenes HAS to be Vulture confronting Spiderman (Homecoming) on the way to driving his daughter to prom. Spiderman has his strength, agility, senses and reflexes even without the suit. Vulture just has a pistol and his attitude...and he fully intimidates a hero that could literally rip him in two. It's badass as hell. He dismantles a powered person with a threat and a look. THAT'S a villain.
That's also good ass acting by Micheal Keaton. I was actually scared at that point!
I feel like mutants can also represent those on the spectrum. As someone who is autistic, I have heard things like: "Can you try being normal?" Or, "This diet/medication will help cure your autism." But autism isn't a disease, and it's not something I can hide. It's part of what makes me who I am. And that's probably why I relate to not just the X-men, but other superhero/fantasy characters in general.
yes Xavier's son Legion is a great example
I totally agree! I'm not autistic but I am an INTJ and that part of me is what drew me into the X-Men universe.
@@bluecollarhero using a personality type you got from an online test for justification is like blaming your zodiac sign
Not to take away anything from this comment, but I think the great thing about the X-Men is that a lot of different types of "outsider" people can relate to them for multiple different reasons.
@@thesamuraiman For sure!
Magneto “In chess the pawns go first”
Shows that his talk about caring for his fellow mutants was just talk. He only cared about winning and destroying those he hates
Magneto is literally powerful enough to end all human life. If it was just about killing people he could've done a better job by himself. He is literally a battlefield General waging an active war campaign at the time he delivered this line.
Funny though, most of those he send would likely be better off after getting hit with the mutant cure.
Also the world will be a better place considering how easily these pawns were goaded into waging war to kill a child.
Honestly, I attribute that line more to the general issues with the X3 Script, since he was just making dumb decision after dumb decision in that scene, especially since he and Jean Grey could have easily won the day without losing a single "pawn."
Hell, X1 made it clear that he didn't hate humans, he just didn't trust them not to wipe out mutantkind, which is why his plan in that movie was to turn ever human into mutants and he only went to killing all vanilla humans when that plan failed.
8:07 I disagree that magneto hates humans, or at least to the degree of pyro. Something we learned in first class is that Erik’s powers are strongest when holding both compassion and rage, balancing between anger and serenity. That kind of balance doesn’t allow for true hate. You’ll also notice that very rarely does Magneto get truly angry, instead he is often shown displaying calm resolve. Additionally Erik only ever acts when mutants are but in danger. In the first movie he shows up when because mutants are being forced to register themselves, making them sitting ducks and depriving them of anonymity should they chose it. In the second movie mutant tensions are at a fever pitch and Erik steps in to stop Striker. Finally in the 3rd movie he steps in to stop production of the "mutant cure". These are not the actions of a hateful man, but instead a protective one who has vowed to never let what happened to his people happen again. While Magneto may look down on humans, it’s only in the prequel movies that he ever really shows hate
Ironically enough, the only person he trully hated was a mutant (Shaw).
Pyro could have made millions putting out wildfires on the west coast.
That sort of thing has always been my problem with the X-man series.
Even Rudolph understood that all you gotta do to get a foot in the door is be useful.
@@Dyneamaeus A) An argument can be made that they shouldn't really need to be useful to get basic human decency, but also B) arguably the entire point of the X-Men as an organization is to show that mutants can be useful to society, by protecting humans from mutants and vice versa. If Pyro had stayed with the team, Xavier would probably have sent him and Storm to help deal with the wildfires for both humanitarian and PR reasons.
But does it stop the racism he face everyday?
@@luongmaihunggia Ah, but how much racism does the perfectly normal looking punk actually face in a day?
@@Dyneamaeus a lot. If he doesn't face any, he wouldn't have any problem with humans.
I'm so happy you did this scene. This has been my favorite scene in any X-Men film ever since I saw it in theaters. Ryan you always knock it out of the park. Doug, give this guy a raise!
still one of the best comic book movie to this day
Eh
Not only has X2 held up to this day. It's proven quite timeless. It's one of the very few comic book movies that's still excellent 18 years later.
It's decent. First two Spider-Man movies were way better though.
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e : Spider-Man is good, and Spider-Man 2 is great. Both, however, fall just shy of X2 in my opinion.
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e yeah i think there’s usually X-Men fans and then Spiderman fans and they dont at all agree on which is better. I rlly find the Spiderman films corny and didn’t grow up with it so i don’t have nostalgia goggles. That’s just imo.
My main problem with this analysis (though well-done overall) is the idea that Magneto is "evil". The truth is that if you follow this timeline all the way to its furthest point (Days of Future Past) then its clear that Magneto was basically correct this entire time.
Hell, MHA proves him right.
I feel like there's a difference between objective correctness and moral correctness that doesn't necessarily detract from someone's capacity for "evil."
Even if you're Objectively correct about how humanity treats a given demographic, Attempting to irradiate the entirety of the U.S. political structure, Attempting to assassinate an entire branch of government, or otherwise enforce your will over an entire society for not playing ball your way is almost indisputably an act of villainy, especially if you put blood on your hands to get the result you want.
And after DoFP, I think in Dark Phoenix young Charles finally realizes and admits what Magneato was saying the whole time: that it was Xavier who was the real antagonist, the real villain. Xavier, through being essentially an enabler, did not equip or prepare people for the eventuality of persecution and being hunted by the Sentinels in DoFP. So Erik, though seemingly using extreme methods, probably could have actually prevented the Sentinel program with resources like Xavier's school for gifted youngsters. Its a case of "seems like the villain, but actually not" whereas Xavier "seems like the hero, but actually not" and the Logan movie shows him confronting and processing this new information.
I don't believe that for a second. Magneto's terrorism is what caused the downfall of mutant-kind. You don't get to create a self-fulfilling prophecy (they want to kill us, so let's kill them first and if they try to kill us, they're just proving the point) and then claim to be right when you're the person that caused it to happen, not the world on it's own.
Okay, that's fair. My read was that humans were actively trying to cripple and kill the mutants pretty much the entire time, from the beginning, so I never interpreted magnetos anger to be (entirely) misplaced. Just a more extreme approach to solving a problem. But who knows? Just trying to have a thoughtful discussion abt it.
Goddamn, Ryan. This is a really well thought out video. Well done, sir.
I think you missed the mark, Ryan.
I'm pretty sure I remember Stan Lee confirming that X-Men was about the Civil Rights Movement. He wasn't trying to make a 1:1 reference, he was trying to make a super hero comic story that spoke to the time. He was picking a side, without going into the "minutiae" of his real life models.
I definitely thought his dismissal of this seemed...random. Why was it even necessary for him to talk about that?
i disagree wholeheartedly with the line that "humans didn't create that hate. mutants like magneto did." That's... wrong in so many ways. The X-Men mythos has always established that humans have vilified and feared mutants for being different and for the threat they pose, not for what they have actually done. And Magneto's motivations come from surviving the Holocaust and how nazis vilified Jews, which in turn was not something new but something centuries old.
I agree, that was more than a little bit off.
Didn't he say "John didn't create the hate"?
Timestamp?
@@Smd3580 You're right, he did say "john didn't create the hate". But the problem here is that he said "mutants like magneto did". Which is wrong.
@@Grizzy6122 @11:52
God I love the times when movies so subtly and brilliantly gave powerful messages without just simply blabbering things in front of us.
This is one of the reasons I love your channel, Ryan.
Villainous doesn't mean committing crimes here, but showing your control over others. This scene showed why McKellen was such a brilliant bit of casting for such a layered character like Magneto.
Awesome video! As a gay man, I gotta admit, Magneto's always been a favorite of mine. And in the movies, when he says "You are a god among insects. Never let anyone tell you different." I admit, I felt a certain amount of empowerment from that line.
My favorite Magneto part from the movies was from X2, when Magneto goes into Stryker's Cerebro, and says "From here, it doesn't look like they're playing by your rules. Maybe it's time to play by theirs!" I LOVE that line!
The look he gives Mystique at the very, very end of the scene is amazing.
Ryan always understands the ASSIGNMENT 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Yeah, no.
X2 is still in my all time favorite superhero movies. Glad to see it still getting some love
YES!!! You added the scene I’m talking about at 11:07. I think that scene says so much! It’s one of the best and greatest scenes of the entire X-men franchise.
Her name?
Now THIS is the kind of beautiful essays teachers should ask students to write! Masterpiece! Just like SO many other vids on this channel. MAN am I'm glad I subscribed 👏
Secondary school teacher here and I was just thinking how to use this to show students the kind of interpretative discussions they need to come up with in their literary essays. This video uncovered so many layers that eluded me - I am in awe.
@@arkoudanthrope well if you ever show this video to them, you better do more than just show it.
I have heard plenty of people who dropped out of collage and even uni, for the plain reason of: “all the teacher did was put on RUclips videos. I can do that myself and learn it all without going into debt over it".
So keep that in mind. It's a great way to engage, but you have to have to have to make sure you are part of the engagement and not just "see this video? Do that!"
2 cents for you there 😉
I applaud your way of thinking and caring though 👌
@@arkoudanthrope for example, if you analyze the analysis in the video, dissect, prove, show what's so beautiful about it. And such things.
Show you put care into it... Show you didn't just expect them to get it like you did, all on their own. All the while trusting that they are intelligent enough and probably did actually get it on their own.
Delicate balance, inspiring as a teacher (no, I'm not a teacher. But I have friends who were 😉)
@@VanCamelCat My concern is that these students are 14 years old and while many of them are very current on superhero movies, plus they are all students of one or two different art forms (including drama), I am not sure they know these movies. It's been a while. So I'd have to ask them to watch the movie first in order for this video essay to make sense. Or just ask them to ignore that they are not familiar with the movie. Neither is a great option really.
I can always find another video by the same person on something more recent, but this one was really, really brilliant and deep.
@@arkoudanthrope not to mention the spoiler risk if they haven't seen but are interested im seeing these movies 😅
That was a brilliant essay man. On point. Thank you for doing the homework and knowing the assignment.
Magneto actually doesn't view his followers as disposables. That's one of the reasons why X3 sucks; Magneto is out of character. Magneto truly does care about his followers as individuals and as brothers fighting the same cause.
He does, but just like his chess game, he isn't afraid to get them killed if it means he'll win.
But just like in the last chess game, in X 1, Charles way wins and all those deaths Magneto caused were for nothing
I think you're mistaken in saying that mutants like Magneto create the hatred in humans. Mutants are not responsible for the prejudice they experience. As in real life, prejudice comes from imbalances in power that enable one group to exert power and privilege over another.
You also missed that Magneto's asking for his real name is more closely tied to the trans experience than the Black experience, though parallels exist there as you noted.
Joker's manipulation of Harvey Dent is the best villainous scene after the death of Rachel
Nah, Harvey's character change is the worst-written thing about the dark knight
@@cellokid5104 Get a new plug bruh
@@cellokid5104 Totally agree, that scene was straight up nonsense.
"I will bring you hope, old friend. And I ask only one thing in return. Don't get in my way." - To me this was Magneto's most important scene that summed up what he was. He's going to do what he feels he needs to. Preferably without fighting his old friend, but he will if he has to.
Great video!
Excellent Video!
Ryan is so underrated. Love this dude and this channel.
I agree this is one of magneto’s best scenes! Sir Mckellen killed it as Magneto!
You just made a great scene, in a great film, so much better for me. Love the observations and context for what's going on. Bravo.
You're really good wtf such quality content ♥️
Another great job!
Another awesome video
Very good video!
Awesome Breakdown
This video is am amazingly brilliant take. Well done!
This is one of the best videos I’ve ever seen. Thank you
Really good analysis
This video was very well put together - I love all the comparisons
This reminds me of an issue of Ultimate X-Men in the “Return of the King” story arc. In it Erik Lehnsherr and Charles Xavier rescue a young black mutant with the ability to blow up, months later the rescued mutant ask why he is called Detonator and Erik is Magneto. He explains that they need to leave their Homo Saipan name and embrace their new post-human/mutant name. Finally, at the end of the comic set years later the boy now grown up goes to a government building, announces his name as Detonator and blows up it up.
You're good at this, Ryan. 👏🏾
Pandering? Eh, hes ok.
These video essays are crushing it my man.
You're among the finest in the essay game, Ryan.
@Arvin Buenaagua You might say.
man this was a good video, will watch more.
Darth Maul's final fight and death scene with Obi-Wan. “Tell me, is it the chosen one?” "He is." "He will avenge us."
That scene hits hard.
One of the best videos ScreenCrush has ever done
Wasn't Magneto right, though? Mankind WILL try to kill the mutants, out of fear.
Without a mediating force? Like a drive for diplomacy? Definitely, they are a pressing threat to the regular human's survival. The more powerful ones can level cities by accident, a dedicated terrorist (like Magneto) or criminal could cause incredible damage. It would start out of fear of not having an effective countermeasure, then something would happen out of anger on either side, and finally escalate rapidly out of revenge, malice, or unfortunate events.
The most recent events in the US I can point to are the protests, turned riots and mass arson that the various police involved deaths of African Americans have resulted in. The reason why it hasn't escalated further are 3 fold, public opinion, the fact they are just normal humans, and a desire for justice on all sides (barring the obvious fringe groups)
This is a fantastic video
Why I think he is so dangerous is that magnito really believes what he is saying to pyro.
Thanks for this video.
2:57 That wink to set off the flame on the cigarette is so good
Wonderful video
Amazing!! more of this type of video please
Nice choice and great essay!
"magneto and those like him create the hate for mutants" is such a dangerous take
A racist take I would say....
I love perfectly timed ad breaks.
"And that is when we get to THE scene: Magneto's most villainous scene."
"I WAS MAKING SO MUCH MONEY WITH DOORDASH!"
I must say I loved this video.
Please do more
this video was pure GOLD
I really like your in depth analysis of the scene, the references and the similarities. From linguistics to psychology, that was absolutely spot on. A pleasure to listen and understand
WOW this video was deep. Great video sir. Magneto has always been one of my top 3 favorite villains. This movie is still my favorite, with one of the best opening scenes .
Except Magneto is not a villain😎
You took an 83 second scene and turned it into 12 and a half minutes of actually informative content. I'm genuinely impressed.
I've watched and heard A LOT OF your content and by FARRR... This was the best videi you have ever done IMO!! i will gladly explain why if you wish. To long on here, but taking it soooo much further than just comics and the movie but about advocacy, human rights or all rights, just a GREAT FREAKING JOB👍❤🙏🏻
Damn, this is so well said. Bravo.
Thus us an excellent analysis.
Great stuff here.
you goated for this
I f-ing LOVE this scene. Thank you, thank you for giving it love.
Bravo!
Great Job.. you make highschool book reports look fun.. love your content love the deviation from Easter egg videos..
most vililanous scenes comes from Lucifer (cw/Netflix) series when then introduce Tom Welling as Kane..
This is why breakdowns is better than spoilers!
Nice breakdown. I didn't remember when the lines was said in the film since I didn't watch this film in many years yet that line about a GOD among insects has stayed with me. Even using it from time to time. Magneto is definitely one of my favorite villains in movies.
You know, I felt this movie and his character portrayal as powerful as it is, but never consciously thought about it until now. When Pyro said “John”, I mouthed with Magneto, solidifying how moved I was by this. Great job and great explanation!
Just saw Eddache's one and thought, “Hey, two of my RUclipsrs are in this”
its interesting how this movie in 2003 spoke and dealt with so many social issues, but was not preachy. Masterpieces such as this one are so rare now.
Oh, damn, this analysis is truly on point.
No
I couldn’t point it out like these very well written video essay, but when I saw that scene, I knew something had shifted. Just couldn’t spell it out like this.
That one scene was exactly how Eric can be so charismatic, attractive (his POV) and Evil.
Omg first ! I love your videos
OMG!!! LITERALLY NO ONE CARES!!!! but good job supporting his channel tho
Life goals, lol.
Congrats on being first 😄
To be fair, Pyro IS inferior to Iceman, vastly inferior, in fact. Iceman is a freaking Omega, and a monster one at that.
When you think about it, Magneto is actually a text book cult leader. He preys on the vulnerability of those he chooses to recruit into his own cause. He starts with what seems to be a casual chat, proceeds to question the person's self worth then tells them that they are higher than those who are against them thus winning them over. People crave to be praised and Magneto is an expert of manipulating that. One of the reason why he's one if not the best Marvel villain.
This is one of the best video essays along with your essay Falcon and The Winter Soldier What's the Point? Thank you so much.
Very good Breakdown, one of which I can agree with. Though I cannot help but sympathies with Magneto.
I've always felt the most defining moment of Magneto was in First Class. When the missiles are coming to the beach and Magneto starts to turn them around. Xavier says "Stop, they're just following orders." And Magneto responds "I've been at the mercy of men who were just following orders."
It shows that the only way humanity can fight Magneto is by NOT fighting him, but that means he'll subjugate them. If they fight, they're either the Nazis who happily rounded up his family or they're the men who were "just ordered" to throw the gas into the showers. They aren't people defending their homes, lives, or families. They're the same as the men who left his family in a lye-lined pit.
While Gay rights is the clearest parallel, and likely the primary intended parallel of, at the very least, the first trilogy, they aren’t the only one, even unintentionally. People who are different than most, can be born to any race or class, feel the need to hide amongst regular people, have been split over the concept of a cure for them, and face stigma for just existing. I am talking about Autism. Some of us “mask,” or hide who we are in public, some don’t, or can’t. Some of us are offended by the notion that we need to be cured, while some long to be normal. The X Men are truly versatile in how they can be interpreted.
One of the coolest scenes from that movie, Pyro is one of my favorites 🔥
I love the scene from Time After Time where H.G. has tracked down Jack the Ripper to his hotel room and Jack turns on the television to show all the violence and mayhem in the "utopia" of the future. he says "in our time I was a monster. here, I'm an amateur." brilliant.
Say homes awesome video a view point Magnito. I also his x gene is not his only power but his leadership to talk to individuals whom are unsure in their character
Seriously one of my favorite scenes in a Comic Book Movie.
I always loved this scene but this has given me a whole new appreciation for it.
Choosing a name is quite the powerful thing. Never noticed or understood that when i saw x2 initially, what went down here
great vid. X2 is still one of the best supFilm ever.
I wonder if Pyro ever had any actual fluid in the lighter or was he just manipulating the sparks?
It had fluid. A spark is not the same as an open flame. I'm wondering what his limit is on manipulating the flame, though. Line of sight? If he saw a giant fireball dozens of meters away, could he mess with it?
@@Hawk7886I wonder what would happen if he faced off against Human Torch, could he just take Tourch's fire and keep on rendering him more powerless and then burn Human Torch alive?
you had me until 11:58 when you shifted all the blame for human bigotry onto Magneto.
Yes yes yes! Everything about this video!
cool !
God, it really is crazy just how good of a movie X-2 is, especially when you consider that it doesn't have a director.