Andy you said the "elephant in the room" regarding the new 1300GS was the styling. Personally i think the elephant is the cost. To swop the old bike for a new one you need a second mortgage and it's hard to justify that, in my opinion.
Owned around 20 BMWs since 2005 and one thing I’ve learned is never buy the 1st or 2nd editions of a new model, there are simply too many issues. The last of a model lines tends to be the most sorted. BMW (and others) do the product testing on the consumer, which I get. Tested the 13GS, fantastic bike and reminded me how good the platform is, so I sold my Rocket3R and bought a 1250GSA I’ll run this for 3 years, let others do the product testing then move to a 13GSA 👍
Waiting to see the changes to the adventure model. I own the 21’ 1250 GS Adventure and I love it. In 2005 I started my GS life with the new R1200GS and I’ve loved them ever since. I buy Adventure models for the range.
The new 1300gs is a superior bike . If I was stats driven rider I'd select it. It doesn't make me smile when I look at it though. The 1250gs does , everytime.
Morning Andy, it's interesting to see how little the differences are between the two bikes apart from costs. I haven't been convinced by any of the current owners of the 1300 to go out and buy one, but judging by sales figures,many have. Like you the dedicated buttons on the bars are a good thing. One thing that has been coming through on comments from owners, the poor customer service BMW in general are giving, especially as how expensive they are. Watch a guy review the new Bennilli TRK 702 and I tell you what for £7000 including full hard luggage,is hard to ignore
That coming from a GS diehard fan was a great honest review knowing you’ve been waiting a long while for it to be released I think it should not be marginally better but stand out better
Yes I have to be honest and say I'm really dissappointed with the new bike, I so wanted to like it and get one....too many niggles to make it worthwhile for me personally.
Having had both the 1200 and 1250, the 1250 IMO was a decent step forward over the 1200. The elephant in the room now though is the ever increasing cost to buy one of these as you've found out. There will always be those who want the latest bike no matter what the cost but for many the 1250 is and will remain a very nice bike to own that will do everything they need it to do very well. My 2020 1250GS TE had done less than 4000 miles and was up for sale at my dealers for 14,995. It sold within a month so that new owner will have a very nice bike that costs 2/3 what a new 1300 would and comes with a 2 year BMW warranty too. Me, I've changed to a 1250RS as I no longer do any 2 up touring (and have never ridden my GSs offroad) and saved myself a fortune against what a 1300GS would have cost me without having to move away from the boxer and a shaft drive. I wonder if the 1300RS will be a similar experience, i.e. a "better" bike but far more expensive. Get the RS now while it's still a relative bargain😂
Great comparison. Only reason I would consider the GS1300 over the GS1250 is auto ride reduction under 15mph, as I am 69yrs old and 5' 9". I will stick to my Ducati Diavel V4 but totally different type of bike. I love my 2017 R1200R I use for touring and will wait to see what the R1300R provides. Hope you have a great summer. Winter closing in down in NZ but relatively temperate so will ride all year.
Great comparison video Andy. I have a 2023 R1250GS Trophy, (exactly the same as the one you rode in this video). 😀👍 A couple of weeks ago I took a test ride on the R1300GS and totally agree with your conclusions. The 1300 is the better bike on paper… but in reality, only just. The things I wish my 1250 had is the automatic ride height. I have short legs so I have to manually lower the suspension when I stop. I’m usually carrying my wife as pillion and luggage and because the ‘auto’ mode on the 1250 just sets auto ride height, invariably the bike is at the highest setting and I’m on tiptoes. Many a time I’ve frantically had to tell my wife to sit down until I’ve lowered the bike.. she can get off once my feet can touch the ground! 😂 Annoyingly it can only be lowered when stationary. So that is the feature I covert on the 1300. I’d also quite like the blind spot detection as well. When on the test ride I was initially impressed with the radar cruise control… right up until the moment I was on a dual carriageway and a car pulled on to the carriageway immediately in front of me. He swerved across the give way markings cutting into my lane. However I had anticipated what the car driver was about and I was in the process of changing lanes in order to overtake the slower moving car, but the radar suddenly ‘saw’ the car and cut all power to the bike (and I’m pretty sure it applied the brakes too). That’s a horrible feeling having throttle control suddenly taken away mid overtake plus nearly getting rear ended by the vehicle behind who must have thought I was a right pillock suddenly slowing down halfway through an overtaking manoeuvre. After that I rapidly went off the radar cruise control. A bike suddenly deciding it’s going to rapidly slow down while I’m overtaking is not a feature I want! So apart from ride height and blind spot detection, in every other area I actually prefer my 1250. I like sitting in my bike, not on it. I like the substantial feel of my bike, I love the rugged look of it. So in conclusion, I can’t see me getting rid of my 1250 anytime soon. 😀👍
Seems to me that the biggest reason you want the 1300 is the adaptive ride height option for those with shorter legs (or who is getting a bit older and want both feet flat on the ground), because that is a brilliant thing that should be implemented on more bikes.
Thinking the 2023 gs Low trim actually offers like a .5 to 1” lower seat height then the new one with the auto lowering feature…could be mistaken though thought that is what I read else saw on a youtube video
Great video! I was thinking about purchasing a R1300GSA when it's released... but I think I'll stick to my good old R1200GSA. One of the last produced in 2018. Travelled ~25 countries on that bike and it's more of a family member than a motorcycle now!
Suddenly, I have to agree with your conclusion. I know you’ve previously mentioned how Mrs Flyer feels about the pillion seat, but it would be good to do a quick back-to-back on two bikes.
I agrre! I`ve got at R1200GS 2017.5 model and have tested the 1250 GS several times and also the 1300 GS. But as you mentioned, the biggest difference between the 1200/1250 to he 1300 GS is the sitting position. The 1300 is more agile and it feels more orientated to the XR-series than the GS. I did like the 1300, but to change from mine 1200 GS (2017.5 version) to the 1300 GS I have to pay about 150.000 NOK in between. It is not worth it! I might change to the 1250 though 🙂. Keep up the good reviews.
Good honest unbiased review , I have a 21 plate gs1250 and the prices the dealers were offering in part ex were shocking against the new 1300. There are plenty new Bmw GSA 1250s still available at good prices but a shortage of new GS1250 non adventures. If I was in the market I would snap the outgoing 1250 over the new 1300 plus at being over 6ft and a big lad I looked like a gorilla on the new 1300 as it is aimed at smaller riders and BMW XR riders
Thanks for great video Andy … you put my mind to rest buying a new GS for the first time opting for the new R1300GS ..this was following a back to back road test that the dealer organised and I agree if I had a old low mileage 1250 I don’t think I would change but now looking forward to my first GS in 1300 guise !! :)
You've made the very valid point that the new bike is 'marginally' better in areas, but a step backwards in others. I personally dont want very dubious (read ugly) looks, smaller and cheap looking in areas. The smart money is indeed a lightly used or new reduced price last 1250. My bike is 23 adv bought new, feels somehow even better than the previous 1250 (?), maybe they did something on the final batch ? and is very likely a long term keeper this time. At 6ft 2 the size is perfect and I like a lot of bike around me, it adds to presence and comfort on big trips. I genuinely think the 13 is a step away from the GS brand of the past. Too far down the small sportier route for me..... Its not for me. Great bike that it surely is. Specifically talking looks, I just couldnt spend that sort of money without really finding the bike attractive too 🙂 Think its awful, the tacky plastic block covering the cruise sensor is plain hideous, I would think that every time I open the garage door. The spy shots were dreadful and then thats what we actually got !!! Owners of the new bike either like the styling or are not bothered if it looks like a trud (rearrange letters .... 😉)
Hi TMF. Thanks for the comparison. My own thoughts are much aligned. I own a 2020 1250 GSA which I have ridden 26000 miles and I was down in Southern Europe in March driving a rented 1300 a couple of days. Thoughts on the 1300 from a 1250 owner: - The 1300 feels slightly quicker and nimbler and the differences are small. - The quick shifter is good in the 1250 and very good in the 1300. - Both are comfortable but the 1250 is just a little bit more comfortable. I noticed this after a couple of days driving the 1300. Again, the difference is small. - The controls of the 1300 are suffering from that the main ignition switch was taken away and therefore the new position of the ignition switch is where the heated grips used to be. My guess is that they did this to save manufacturing cost and that there will be an bigger update on the controls in coming models where they add backlight and also a new configuration of switches that don’t require as much digging down in menues to access basic functionality. - The early 1300 sample I rode had software bugs. The engine warning light came on and turned off randomly. The rental guys said that this is happening often. ”Ignore it, just drive on”. It also had a mechanical sound in third and fourth gear that didnt feel good. If it would have been my personal bike, I would have been worried. - Lastly the looks. Very personal and for me the front of the1300 simply does not look good. I have also found that it does not grow on me. The 1250 is for me, definately a much better looking adventure bike. - In summary: The 1250 is the Mighty GS, the 1300 is the Nimble GS.
Thanks for this Andy, excellent comparison. very happy you like Barmouth, one of my favorite destinations from here in Manchester, even moto camped there a few times on my R1250RS.. P.S. turn right at the All day amusment. ;-)
You are very fortunate that BMW has lent you a R1300GS for several months. I was seriously considering updating my 1250 but my dealer would only let me test ride one for an hour and then only when it had been run in.
Amazing power, road presence, comfort, and, oh yes, price! A second hand 1250 here in France is still between 22-25 thousand euros! I’ve tested a 1200 just to see what the fuss was about. It was extremely competent in all areas but just didn’t light my fire like an Africa Twin. And I really can’t see how the prices are justified. The 1300 here starts at 28,000 euros!! That’s insane money for a bike.
Very interesting indeed, Andy, with some sage and honest real-world advice at the end. This is going to help a lot of people, no doubt. Once I've got my money's worth out of my 1200 I reckon I shall be referring back to this video!
I love technology and the new systems on the 1300. However, I’m not keen on buying a first year of a new bike or car. Your video would guide me to a nice low mileage 1250, wait 2-3 years, then possibly move to the 1300. In the meantime, I’ll stick with my 2023 GL1800 Tour DCT.
I swapped my 2013 R1200GS lc last year for the R1250GS Adventure Rallaye last and love the 1250, I’ve no intention of px ing for a 1300, not enough different over extra expense for me, IMO….. MF your comparison was excellent, keep up the very informative good work. Thanks.
Yes Andy. You have proven that they are both smooth, fast, well-equipped bikes. Great. But I have a 2015 Red GS TE like yours, and a while back was given a new 1250 GS to ride while having some work done on mine. Yes, the 1250 GS was better to mine in every way. But jumping back on mine for the ride back I immediately felt at home. You see my bike had character. The new bikes don’t. I love the clunkiness and the feeling that I am sitting on a tractor. I love my bike, I love how it looks, how it rides, and love what we have done together. I rather feel that’s why you have kept yours?
Great review Andy. I just had a test ride on the 1300 and fully agree with you that it’s only very marginally better than the 1250gs. I just think that it’s hard to justify a change bast on the cost of the new bike. Really good review Andy. Thanks as always for being open and honest 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I own the last possible version of 1250gs and would never trade it for 1300gs. Looks much better. Also as latest version - with all issues solved. The only thing they took heated seats out for the last versions of 1250gs which should be there with this price tag but all the rest it is best bike ever for me.
I think some of the new trims look much sleeker, lower and sportier - which I think was their goal. I was surprised how much better it looks in person, but it doesn’t look as rugged or adventure-y. Looks easier to clean too! Very interesting hearing your thoughts. How does it compare to its closest real world BMW competitor - the XR? I’d assume this is now a less mad alternative!
Excellent. Thank you, Andy. I thought I was going to run out and buy a 1300, but I've got a well-sorted 1200 and I think I'm going to keep it a while. Maybe think about a 1300RT when they show up in a year or two.
Agree, not worth the upgrade even if it is marginally better. Waiting to see what the Adventure version has to offer but can't see my opinion changing... it'll be marginally better than the outgoing GSA but cost a shed load more!
Thank you Andy for a wonderfully balanced review again! Most reviewers make the 1300 out to be the coming of the Lord on Easter 😂 I found the GS 1250 to be a super bike but one which does not like to be revved out, as long as you ride the wave of torque you are ok on it. She protests to high heaven if she is ridden aggressively and not very dynamically inclined either. The quick shifter is bad too. It’s an absolute agricultural feel for me. People may not agree or understand the above but I am a Multistrada V4s owner and the GS/GSA cannot hold a candle to the Multi overall except in the fuel consumption area. Cheers
What a fantastically honest caparison, and Barmouth looked rather nice. If I was in the market for a GS, I would definitely go for the 1300, I much prefer the looks, more simple styling, also the lowering system and radar cruise would be options I would have, neither of which are on the 1250. Both are obviously great bikes, but it would be the 1300 for me.
Great video as always. I would love a video comparing the BMW F 750 GS, F 800 GS & F 850 GS. Due to my licence restriction (A2), I am saving for one of the above and because I'm 170cm tall and weigh, 53KG, the bigger GS' are probably not for me atm. Although, I loved sitting on the BMW R 1300GS at the VinesGroup dealer, it was comfy and surprisingly didn't feel as heavy as I thought it was - lifting it up from the stand was a different story 😂
As makers pile on more & more electronic 'rider aids', I wonder how long before multi-menu TFT's are seen, like telephones, as a 'measurable distraction' & banned from the rider's viewpoint whilst on the move? . . . "No idea Officer, I have to pull over & switch off just to see what speed I was doing." : )
The GS is not and never was a good looking bike, but the new one is an improvement IMHO. It's a quirky looking bike and has a certain charm to some but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, great video again.
Went into my local dealer 4 weeks ago and got one of the last of the new1250gsa in the trophy edition....bmw are doing some good discounts to clear stock and it worked out nearly £5k cheaper than a spec'd up 1300. Personally I prefer the looks of the 1250 and as it's a proven engine less likely to have issues than a brand new 1300. For the UK roads you really can't use more and more power.... the only advantage I see of a 1300 is for shorter leg riders, apart from that I would save the cash.
Very nice comparison! Without a spare 6k (especially when they don’t provide the tank and engine crash bars, lowered seat and other standard stuff as standard!) I certainly wouldn’t be changing my 1250 for the small tweaks you mentioned. Just like most car/bike and other sports and leisure equipment, there are some updates every now and then, but it’s all personal choice and pocket funds that count!
Agreed - plus how you relate to the object in question, I love the old GS 1200/1250 - I just don't feel the same about the 1300 at the moment (I hope that changes in future!).....
I'd definitely be saving the money. I'm an average rider and there's no way my riding will ever be restricted in any way due to any limitations of the 1250. If it were just a few hundred or a thousand quid then ok, but six thousand? Six thousand quid buys you a nice little weekend back road get about.
Nice comparison there Andy. Only thing I would have done was have them in Road mode during the low speed town riding and then switch to Dynamic when out in the nationals! I never have my 1250 GS in Dynamic unless I'm pushing-on along a nice twisty road. Anyway, I bought a 6 month old 1250 GS TE with all the options last year for £5K less than the new list price. With just 3,000 miles it was effectively new and a good deal (like the black one at LIND you mentioned). I haven't ridden the new 1300 yet, but I have tested a Multistrada V4 Rally (which was amazing), so I'm going to wait for the new GSA or 1400 (whatever they decide to call it) before I decide what to do. The only thing I dislike about the GS is the clunky gearbox - the Ducati was miles better......
Good review Andy. The 1250 is a difficult bike to improve AND to keep the character. I’d stick with the slightly less perfect 1250 if it was a BMW choice, although Bennett’s summed up that BMW had tried to make the 1300 a bit more like the Multistrada……so actually you may as well go and buy one of those. I sort of agree with that. Good weekend bud!
Great comparison and I agree with your conclusion. However, if you want the latest and greatest and can justify the price tag then the 1300 is a great bike. Im still happy with my 2017 1200 RT and will either opt for one of the last 1250's or wait for a used 1300 down the road. Like others have mentioned, if you're going to keep the bike for a long time get the most basic version...its all the electronic upgrades that always fail in the long run...
Having been on boxers for the last decade I would say the big leap forward was the variable valve timing. This has transformed the top-end because, as you know, the previous models all tended to run out of breath well short of the red line. Given that both bikes have got this, the gain in going to 1300 is infinitesimal. I chose an RT over a GS because I wanted a road bike (rather than a pretend off-roader), but aesthetically I think the GS1300 is an improvement on its predecessor, as it looks a bit more like a motorbike and less like the Starship Enterprise. Nice film, glad to see you've had the sense to come back to Wales.
@@juanmayorga1711 My RT is 30kg heavier than the regular 1250 GS, 10kg heavier than the 1250 Adventure. For that I get a big fairing which is very handy in the winter. The bike is heavyish to push or pull out of the garage but does not feel heavy to ride - handles like a 250! I suspect the 1300 RT (2025) will be a bit lighter but I'm happy to stick with what I've got.
I had a similar view when I tested one in that everything was a bit better which for me overall added up to quite a difference, lots of small things equal one big thing maybe? The game changer for me was the auto height thingy not being over blessed in the height department and I do find the 1300 with standard seats and the auto height spot on for me, the seat is firmer but I found after a while is as comfortable as the 1250, for me anyhow. I came from a 1250 TE and while I loved the bike I am glad I changed, if they ever sort out the luggage it would help! The last reason was that even though it was expensive, I had kind of decided I would buy it sometime and the longer I waited the more the 1300 would go up in price and the more the 1250 would go down so decided to take the plunge early. Good vid though, thanks.
For me your most telling video was comparing pillion comfort. Having gone out on the 1300 with my wife she much prefers the 1200/1250 GS. That means that even if I could afford a 1300 I wouldn’t go that route as we tour quite allot.
Nice brief comparison. I think that the main benefit of the 1300 is the adaptive vehicle height control system which makes the bike easier to handle when at low speed and stationary. I haven't ridden the 1300 but believe there is more engine noise; a bit more clatter from the top end, and I'm pretty sure I could hear the difference on your video - did you notice any difference?
Good honest review, I just can't get on with the styling of the new GS 1300, it looks small stood next to the GS 1250 ( especially next to a GSA) and lacks road presence , as for price, it is expensive especially when you look online at some of the deals available on new GS 1250 , personally I'd stick with the 1250.
I would have the 1250 I just like the overall look of it over the new bike and it looks a proper beast which is what a GS should be I feel they have diluted the GS brand slightly.
It is clear that you have loved your current 1200GS but it sounds like it might be up for replacement in the near future as your enthusiasm for both these models is obvious - I look forward to seeing what your choice of replacement will be or at almost £23k in full spec is the Ducati V4 Multistrada a contender (the guys at Bennetts think so!)? Great video as always - thanks.
Bennet's did a comparison of the two bikes using a professional tester on an runway. Although the 1300 was quicker overall the 40-70 times were about the same. In the real world that's where we're at for overtakes, so perhaps that's why you weren't noticing a difference?
Another excellent video Andy comparing real world differences and not performance figures. As you say marginal gains but with massive price between the two. Half way through I was thinking that a nearly new 1250gs would suit you to trade up from the 1200 and you confirmed my thoughts. That trophy colour scheme does look lovely tho 👍
I guess that it would be argued that BMW are applying incremental evolutionary improvements to the GS brand. I have bought a R1300 GS TE (Trophy Colours) and priced it on a like for like basis and there was very little difference between the 1250 and 1300 given that the 1300 TE come with an Electric Windscreen. The extra cost comes mainly due to the additional optional features - Adaptive Vehicle Height Control £490.00 and Riding Assistant (radar etc) £760.00 which weren't available with the 1300 but I "had to have"! I'll let you know in a couple of months whether it was all worth it!
Nice to see the rare phenomen of sun! I did a side by side comparison too. Even had the same tyres on both bikes Tourance 2s. As you said a little better, for me personally better by 10% all round. Biggest issue for me is I really did not like the menu system, ended up using the radar cruise so I could navigate and read the screen, even though the radar is excellent its not a good option to have to use! I dont think muscle memory works for when delving into menus compared to button sequences. Stand outs of 1300 for me were the increased spriteliness on turn in and the snickety snick gearbox felt less spongy than the 1250. Non standouts were power, not so much as is made out, and rear brake still rubbish feel and activation like the 1250! All day comfort and road presence I think the 1250 definitely pips it, if I had a 300 mile day ahead of me I think I would veer towards the old bike, if for a morning blast round the lanes then definitely the 1300.
This is why I still come back to your content! I can tell that you haven't been given a free upgrade to the 1300gs, and told to say good things :P I love my 1250GS, and I see the 1300 as a completely new era of bike, hard to compare them, but we have to! Keep the content coming!
The 1300 is missing a soul. For me, any new 22k motorcycle should be marginally better than the old version. My current 1200GS will be my last - its KTM 1290 stable mate is a superior motorcycle in all ways but one (chain drive). Anyway, top video as always, old chap.
Interesting comparison Andy. From what I can tell, the jump from the 1200 to the 1250 seems a more marked evolution compared to the 1250 to the 1300. Like you said: marginal.
These days the deal cruncher on these models will be the extortionate insurance for where I live. Car insurance renewal quote this year 50% more than last year, paid 27% more after shopping around, wondering what the bike quote will be in September. In my naivety when I first came across PCP purchase and saw the figures I thought this included insurance and servicing, “stupid boy.” Dealers not really interested in cash, unless sales targets are substantially down, unlikely at the moment, one salesman told me that they sold 60 R13s up to 31.12.23 probably on PCPs, nice earner!
Andy, you have a number of bikes in your stable and experience with many more. How would you compare the expense of the maintenance cycle on the big GS's? Lot's of people decry it for Ducati's. With BMW's, is it one of those, "If you have to ask, you probably can't afford it" type of things? Just wondering if jumping into the used market is with out it's extra expenses over the norm.
An interesting video and comparison. Suppose it depends on how much money u have. I have a air cooled gs from 2009 which cost me 4.5k and completed nearly 25k miles on her. Obviously the newer bikes r better but r they 4 times better down to price. Suppose we need them so there will be something to buy in 10 years time, assuming they last. Keep making the content as its always enjoyable, regards Rob
Great Video Andy.....im guessing you will get the New 1300GS once you hand back this one form long term loan...!!!! As you said it a better bike in everyway..!!! Also your 1200 GS is over 10 years old now so time for a upgrade....😊😊😊😊🏍🏍🏍
Enjoy your videos so took a 1300GS for a test ride. I have an HD Ultra Limited and was thinking of trading. The BMW is certainly lighter, faster, and feels more nimble. What took me back was the insane road or engine noise. Would need ear plugs on this thing. After quickly jumping back on mine it felt like a Cadillac in comparison. What has your experience been with the BMW's. Do you have excessive road noise at highway speeds?
great comparison, totally agree, so much so i have just upgraded to a 1250, one thought when you park up which bike would you look back at longest? looks matter
So marginally better than a 1250. Using that logic it should be considerably better than a 1200 GS. How do we know that owns a 1200GS? 😮 top vid as always.
Hi Andy.Great review.I was struck by how ugly the top box on the r1300 was.looks like its hanging off.Funny that the Bennetts review came out as well as yours.I think your price comparisons were more valid.A 1250 is about £19 k ,not £22.Also on my VW Golf the adaptive criuse comtrol radar is the size of a fag packet.I cant understand why the r1300,s is so big.Im happy to stick with my 1250gs for now.I did try the 1300 but its too expensive to change.The jump was far bigger when changing from a 1200 to a 1250.
Honest review as ever Andy. . But as mentioned before can't see myself getting either to be absolutely honest. . Just can't bring myself to like the looks of either and certainly not at that price and, at the risk of derision and abuse, feel like they are really for the domain of riding instructors etc who have to carry stuff but also move at pace and be in all weathers! . So kind of soulless but functional. . So not for me thanks!
If the bike you have is in good nick & reliable , I would keep the GS you have ,for a few more years ,while some other mugs suffer any teething issues on the new model . Then once they ironed out any issues , if you still want the new Beemer ,treat yourself to one .
Interesting. A few pounds less weight, 5 hp more. No so different. One other test would be the changes in the evo tele lever front ebd. Some off roading may show that up. Somethings about the new 1300 I really like. The styling. Subjective to all. The old 1250 is true bred workhorse. We will see about the new one. But it's a tough one too. All good. Absolutely beautiful place to ride. That was wonderful. Skip the bikes point the camera toward the sea and farmlands
I don't like the look of either but if they moved the 1300 light up to where the radar pad is and added a rear light I would prefer the look of the 1300 However if I was buying one I would go for a good second hand 1250 and save 6k But as an R 1250 RS rider Who wanted a GS I bought a 750 as my second bike
Great stuff, perhaps somewhere it might have been an idea to say how long you have owned the gs 1200 for. That way if someone is seeing one of your vids for the first time, it puts a context around your comments. :)
@@JohnB998think he said the bike was 10 years old, but not how long he's had it, though in the context of watching his other videos I'd assume he bought it new at the time
I never buy the first year of a new model. Never have, never will. Adaptive ride height, not needed. Bigger and stronger engine, don’t need it, electric wind screen…dangit!! 😂😂 But I also don’t need a battery that has had problems nor a bike that could catch on fire sitting there! I’m confident BMW will iron out these issues, but if I’m expected to pay $30,000 USD for a bike, it better have lighted buttons so I can see what I’m fiddling with at night! And it better whistle at my butt every time I walk by, now I’m telling you what! 😂😂😂
The looks are personal, I personally think the 1300gs is more modern. A big plus of the 1300 is that you have ACC as an option. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the 1250gs.
Doesn't almost every motorcycle have a small amount of vibration? I'm not including the super tourers though. I wish i could afford such a machines. What would you recommend as an older BMW?
Very good 1250 looks great talked to gs 1250 owner this week he doesint like looks the 1300 .but 1300 is lighter and looks fine to me .I chouldint afford either .but appreciate them .I have old st 1100
The 1250 was and is about presence of which the new 1300 has not a lot of, in my opinion. I think BMW, with all the tech and engineering on this new bike, have overlooked this. Others such as KTM, Triumph, Ducati still have that instant attraction.
The R1300GS is your long-term loan bike, isn't it? If the tyres on it are OEM supplied, they look close to 100% road/touring. Are they? If so, the 1300 is being marketed without any real chance off road.
1300 GS has the face than only mother would love. I test drove it ad liked it a lot but the look of the new bike is not for me. I will stick to my 1200 GSA LC which I really love.
Andy you said the "elephant in the room" regarding the new 1300GS was the styling. Personally i think the elephant is the cost. To swop the old bike for a new one you need a second mortgage and it's hard to justify that, in my opinion.
Owned around 20 BMWs since 2005 and one thing I’ve learned is never buy the 1st or 2nd editions of a new model, there are simply too many issues.
The last of a model lines tends to be the most sorted.
BMW (and others) do the product testing on the consumer, which I get.
Tested the 13GS, fantastic bike and reminded me how good the platform is, so I sold my Rocket3R and bought a 1250GSA
I’ll run this for 3 years, let others do the product testing then move to a 13GSA 👍
You must have bought first releases if you've had 20 BMWs in 19 years plus a rocket 3
@@clivelockwood3236he’s got all the Beatles records before Ringo joined as well. Take note! 😉😁
@@clivelockwood3236Why must he have? He could have bought a lot of second hand ones and owned a few at a time
Waiting to see the changes to the adventure model. I own the 21’ 1250 GS Adventure and I love it. In 2005 I started my GS life with the new R1200GS and I’ve loved them ever since. I buy Adventure models for the range.
I suspect most bikes and cars are better when bought at the end of a long production run. Most of the issues have been sorted by then.
The new 1300gs is a superior bike . If I was stats driven rider I'd select it.
It doesn't make me smile when I look at it though.
The 1250gs does , everytime.
Marginally, the price is substantially.
Morning Andy, it's interesting to see how little the differences are between the two bikes apart from costs. I haven't been convinced by any of the current owners of the 1300 to go out and buy one, but judging by sales figures,many have. Like you the dedicated buttons on the bars are a good thing. One thing that has been coming through on comments from owners, the poor customer service BMW in general are giving, especially as how expensive they are. Watch a guy review the new Bennilli TRK 702 and I tell you what for £7000 including full hard luggage,is hard to ignore
That coming from a GS diehard fan was a great honest review knowing you’ve been waiting a long while for it to be released I think it should not be marginally better but stand out better
Yes I have to be honest and say I'm really dissappointed with the new bike, I so wanted to like it and get one....too many niggles to make it worthwhile for me personally.
Having had both the 1200 and 1250, the 1250 IMO was a decent step forward over the 1200. The elephant in the room now though is the ever increasing cost to buy one of these as you've found out. There will always be those who want the latest bike no matter what the cost but for many the 1250 is and will remain a very nice bike to own that will do everything they need it to do very well. My 2020 1250GS TE had done less than 4000 miles and was up for sale at my dealers for 14,995. It sold within a month so that new owner will have a very nice bike that costs 2/3 what a new 1300 would and comes with a 2 year BMW warranty too. Me, I've changed to a 1250RS as I no longer do any 2 up touring (and have never ridden my GSs offroad) and saved myself a fortune against what a 1300GS would have cost me without having to move away from the boxer and a shaft drive. I wonder if the 1300RS will be a similar experience, i.e. a "better" bike but far more expensive. Get the RS now while it's still a relative bargain😂
Great comparison. Only reason I would consider the GS1300 over the GS1250 is auto ride reduction under 15mph, as I am 69yrs old and 5' 9". I will stick to my Ducati Diavel V4 but totally different type of bike. I love my 2017 R1200R I use for touring and will wait to see what the R1300R provides. Hope you have a great summer. Winter closing in down in NZ but relatively temperate so will ride all year.
Great comparison video Andy. I have a 2023 R1250GS Trophy, (exactly the same as the one you rode in this video). 😀👍
A couple of weeks ago I took a test ride on the R1300GS and totally agree with your conclusions. The 1300 is the better bike on paper… but in reality, only just.
The things I wish my 1250 had is the automatic ride height. I have short legs so I have to manually lower the suspension when I stop. I’m usually carrying my wife as pillion and luggage and because the ‘auto’ mode on the 1250 just sets auto ride height, invariably the bike is at the highest setting and I’m on tiptoes. Many a time I’ve frantically had to tell my wife to sit down until I’ve lowered the bike.. she can get off once my feet can touch the ground! 😂
Annoyingly it can only be lowered when stationary. So that is the feature I covert on the 1300.
I’d also quite like the blind spot detection as well.
When on the test ride I was initially impressed with the radar cruise control… right up until the moment I was on a dual carriageway and a car pulled on to the carriageway immediately in front of me. He swerved across the give way markings cutting into my lane. However I had anticipated what the car driver was about and I was in the process of changing lanes in order to overtake the slower moving car, but the radar suddenly ‘saw’ the car and cut all power to the bike (and I’m pretty sure it applied the brakes too). That’s a horrible feeling having throttle control suddenly taken away mid overtake plus nearly getting rear ended by the vehicle behind who must have thought I was a right pillock suddenly slowing down halfway through an overtaking manoeuvre. After that I rapidly went off the radar cruise control. A bike suddenly deciding it’s going to rapidly slow down while I’m overtaking is not a feature I want!
So apart from ride height and blind spot detection, in every other area I actually prefer my 1250.
I like sitting in my bike, not on it. I like the substantial feel of my bike, I love the rugged look of it.
So in conclusion, I can’t see me getting rid of my 1250 anytime soon. 😀👍
Not giving up my R1250GS Triple Black. She's a mature, seasoned girl with a lot of presence. Can't say as much of the 1300.
Im keeping my 2023 GS. Been on the new one. I Agree with your assessment all around.
Ive had the 1250gsa for 3 years now. Tested the 1300 this summer, wouldnt even dream of swapping
Morning Andy, Nice day for a ride. Very nice scenery, and bikes.
Seems to me that the biggest reason you want the 1300 is the adaptive ride height option for those with shorter legs (or who is getting a bit older and want both feet flat on the ground), because that is a brilliant thing that should be implemented on more bikes.
Thinking the 2023 gs Low trim actually offers like a .5 to 1” lower seat height then the new one with the auto lowering feature…could be mistaken though thought that is what I read else saw on a youtube video
Great video!
I was thinking about purchasing a R1300GSA when it's released... but I think I'll stick to my good old R1200GSA. One of the last produced in 2018. Travelled ~25 countries on that bike and it's more of a family member than a motorcycle now!
That's how I am with my 1200....
@@TheMissendenFlyer 😄👍
Suddenly, I have to agree with your conclusion. I know you’ve previously mentioned how Mrs Flyer feels about the pillion seat, but it would be good to do a quick back-to-back on two bikes.
I made a video doing just that!
I agrre! I`ve got at R1200GS 2017.5 model and have tested the 1250 GS several times and also the 1300 GS. But as you mentioned, the biggest difference between the 1200/1250 to he 1300 GS is the sitting position. The 1300 is more agile and it feels more orientated to the XR-series than the GS. I did like the 1300, but to change from mine 1200 GS (2017.5 version) to the 1300 GS I have to pay about 150.000 NOK in between. It is not worth it! I might change to the 1250 though 🙂. Keep up the good reviews.
Omg finally figured it out!!! Your voice and the way you talk. You would make a brilliant cricket commentator!!!
Only problem is I know zip about cricket!
Good honest unbiased review , I have a 21 plate gs1250 and the prices the dealers were offering in part ex were shocking against the new 1300. There are plenty new Bmw GSA 1250s still available at good prices but a shortage of new GS1250 non adventures. If I was in the market I would snap the outgoing 1250 over the new 1300 plus at being over 6ft and a big lad I looked like a gorilla on the new 1300 as it is aimed at smaller riders and BMW XR riders
Thanks for great video Andy … you put my mind to rest buying a new GS for the first time opting for the new R1300GS ..this was following a back to back road test that the dealer organised and I agree if I had a old low mileage 1250 I don’t think I would change but now looking forward to my first GS in 1300 guise !! :)
Congratulations!
You've made the very valid point that the new bike is 'marginally' better in areas, but a step backwards in others. I personally dont want very dubious (read ugly) looks, smaller and cheap looking in areas. The smart money is indeed a lightly used or new reduced price last 1250. My bike is 23 adv bought new, feels somehow even better than the previous 1250 (?), maybe they did something on the final batch ? and is very likely a long term keeper this time. At 6ft 2 the size is perfect and I like a lot of bike around me, it adds to presence and comfort on big trips. I genuinely think the 13 is a step away from the GS brand of the past. Too far down the small sportier route for me..... Its not for me. Great bike that it surely is. Specifically talking looks, I just couldnt spend that sort of money without really finding the bike attractive too 🙂 Think its awful, the tacky plastic block covering the cruise sensor is plain hideous, I would think that every time I open the garage door. The spy shots were dreadful and then thats what we actually got !!! Owners of the new bike either like the styling or are not bothered if it looks like a trud (rearrange letters .... 😉)
I'm with you brother!
Thanks Andy, a really useful review and certainly helped my decision making 😊
Hi TMF.
Thanks for the comparison.
My own thoughts are much aligned. I own a 2020 1250 GSA which I have ridden 26000 miles and I was down in Southern Europe in March driving a rented 1300 a couple of days.
Thoughts on the 1300 from a 1250 owner:
- The 1300 feels slightly quicker and nimbler and the differences are small.
- The quick shifter is good in the 1250 and very good in the 1300.
- Both are comfortable but the 1250 is just a little bit more comfortable. I noticed this after a couple of days driving the 1300. Again, the difference is small.
- The controls of the 1300 are suffering from that the main ignition switch was taken away and therefore the new position of the ignition switch is where the heated grips used to be. My guess is that they did this to save manufacturing cost and that there will be an bigger update on the controls in coming models where they add backlight and also a new configuration of switches that don’t require as much digging down in menues to access basic functionality.
- The early 1300 sample I rode had software bugs. The engine warning light came on and turned off randomly. The rental guys said that this is happening often. ”Ignore it, just drive on”. It also had a mechanical sound in third and fourth gear that didnt feel good. If it would have been my personal bike, I would have been worried.
- Lastly the looks. Very personal and for me the front of the1300 simply does not look good. I have also found that it does not grow on me. The 1250 is for me, definately a much better looking adventure bike.
- In summary: The 1250 is the Mighty GS, the 1300 is the Nimble GS.
Thanks for this Andy, excellent comparison. very happy you like Barmouth, one of my favorite destinations from here in Manchester, even moto camped there a few times on my R1250RS.. P.S. turn right at the All day amusment. ;-)
You are very fortunate that BMW has lent you a R1300GS for several months. I was seriously considering updating my 1250 but my dealer would only let me test ride one for an hour and then only when it had been run in.
Beats putting miles on your own bike when it’s raining!
Too right!
Amazing power, road presence, comfort, and, oh yes, price! A second hand 1250 here in France is still between 22-25 thousand euros! I’ve tested a 1200 just to see what the fuss was about. It was extremely competent in all areas but just didn’t light my fire like an Africa Twin. And I really can’t see how the prices are justified. The 1300 here starts at 28,000 euros!! That’s insane money for a bike.
Very interesting indeed, Andy, with some sage and honest real-world advice at the end. This is going to help a lot of people, no doubt. Once I've got my money's worth out of my 1200 I reckon I shall be referring back to this video!
Thanks Jez - a few more videos still to come on the R1300 before she goes back....
@@TheMissendenFlyer Excellent! Looking forward.
Excellent review. I’m 100% with you on your review and opinions.. thanks
Awesome, thank you!
I love technology and the new systems on the 1300. However, I’m not keen on buying a first year of a new bike or car. Your video would guide me to a nice low mileage 1250, wait 2-3 years, then possibly move to the 1300. In the meantime, I’ll stick with my 2023 GL1800 Tour DCT.
I swapped my 2013 R1200GS lc last year for the R1250GS Adventure Rallaye last and love the 1250, I’ve no intention of px ing for a 1300, not enough different over extra expense for me, IMO….. MF your comparison was excellent, keep up the very informative good work. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
Yes Andy. You have proven that they are both smooth, fast, well-equipped bikes. Great. But I have a 2015 Red GS TE like yours, and a while back was given a new 1250 GS to ride while having some work done on mine. Yes, the 1250 GS was better to mine in every way. But jumping back on mine for the ride back I immediately felt at home. You see my bike had character. The new bikes don’t. I love the clunkiness and the feeling that I am sitting on a tractor. I love my bike, I love how it looks, how it rides, and love what we have done together. I rather feel that’s why you have kept yours?
You’ve nailed it - my GS is part of the family now….
Great review Andy. I just had a test ride on the 1300 and fully agree with you that it’s only very marginally better than the 1250gs. I just think that it’s hard to justify a change bast on the cost of the new bike. Really good review Andy. Thanks as always for being open and honest 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
My pleasure Kevin....
I own the last possible version of 1250gs and would never trade it for 1300gs. Looks much better. Also as latest version - with all issues solved. The only thing they took heated seats out for the last versions of 1250gs which should be there with this price tag but all the rest it is best bike ever for me.
Yes defo need heated seats!
I think some of the new trims look much sleeker, lower and sportier - which I think was their goal. I was surprised how much better it looks in person, but it doesn’t look as rugged or adventure-y. Looks easier to clean too! Very interesting hearing your thoughts.
How does it compare to its closest real world BMW competitor - the XR? I’d assume this is now a less mad alternative!
Excellent. Thank you, Andy. I thought I was going to run out and buy a 1300, but I've got a well-sorted 1200 and I think I'm going to keep it a while. Maybe think about a 1300RT when they show up in a year or two.
Yes I’m looking forward to seeing those….
Agree, not worth the upgrade even if it is marginally better. Waiting to see what the Adventure version has to offer but can't see my opinion changing... it'll be marginally better than the outgoing GSA but cost a shed load more!
Thank you Andy for a wonderfully balanced review again! Most reviewers make the 1300 out to be the coming of the Lord on Easter 😂
I found the GS 1250 to be a super bike but one which does not like to be revved out, as long as you ride the wave of torque you are ok on it. She protests to high heaven if she is ridden aggressively and not very dynamically inclined either. The quick shifter is bad too. It’s an absolute agricultural feel for me.
People may not agree or understand the above but I am a Multistrada V4s owner and the GS/GSA cannot hold a candle to the Multi overall except in the fuel consumption area.
Cheers
What a fantastically honest caparison, and Barmouth looked rather nice. If I was in the market for a GS, I would definitely go for the 1300, I much prefer the looks, more simple styling, also the lowering system and radar cruise would be options I would have, neither of which are on the 1250. Both are obviously great bikes, but it would be the 1300 for me.
Fair enough!
Great video as always.
I would love a video comparing the BMW F 750 GS, F 800 GS & F 850 GS.
Due to my licence restriction (A2), I am saving for one of the above and because I'm 170cm tall and weigh, 53KG, the bigger GS' are probably not for me atm.
Although, I loved sitting on the BMW R 1300GS at the VinesGroup dealer, it was comfy and surprisingly didn't feel as heavy as I thought it was - lifting it up from the stand was a different story 😂
Love the verdict straight forward i totally agree ill keep my 2022 gsa 😅
Great video Andy, think you have put it over very well !
Thanks 👍
Would be nice to see a compare between R1250GS ADV Ultimate edition/Triple Black and the upcoming R13GS ADV. 😎 🧭
As makers pile on more & more electronic 'rider aids', I wonder how long before multi-menu TFT's are seen, like telephones, as a 'measurable distraction' & banned from the rider's viewpoint whilst on the move? . . . "No idea Officer, I have to pull over & switch off just to see what speed I was doing." : )
The GS is not and never was a good looking bike, but the new one is an improvement IMHO. It's a quirky looking bike and has a certain charm to some but beauty is in the eye of the beholder, great video again.
Thank you and I agree!
Good morning! Look forward to this watch later on…. Will this weather ever get better ???
Went into my local dealer 4 weeks ago and got one of the last of the new1250gsa in the trophy edition....bmw are doing some good discounts to clear stock and it worked out nearly £5k cheaper than a spec'd up 1300. Personally I prefer the looks of the 1250 and as it's a proven engine less likely to have issues than a brand new 1300. For the UK roads you really can't use more and more power.... the only advantage I see of a 1300 is for shorter leg riders, apart from that I would save the cash.
Very nice comparison! Without a spare 6k (especially when they don’t provide the tank and engine crash bars, lowered seat and other standard stuff as standard!) I certainly wouldn’t be changing my 1250 for the small tweaks you mentioned. Just like most car/bike and other sports and leisure equipment, there are some updates every now and then, but it’s all personal choice and pocket funds that count!
Agreed - plus how you relate to the object in question, I love the old GS 1200/1250 - I just don't feel the same about the 1300 at the moment (I hope that changes in future!).....
I'd definitely be saving the money. I'm an average rider and there's no way my riding will ever be restricted in any way due to any limitations of the 1250. If it were just a few hundred or a thousand quid then ok, but six thousand? Six thousand quid buys you a nice little weekend back road get about.
Nice comparison there Andy. Only thing I would have done was have them in Road mode during the low speed town riding and then switch to Dynamic when out in the nationals! I never have my 1250 GS in Dynamic unless I'm pushing-on along a nice twisty road. Anyway, I bought a 6 month old 1250 GS TE with all the options last year for £5K less than the new list price. With just 3,000 miles it was effectively new and a good deal (like the black one at LIND you mentioned). I haven't ridden the new 1300 yet, but I have tested a Multistrada V4 Rally (which was amazing), so I'm going to wait for the new GSA or 1400 (whatever they decide to call it) before I decide what to do. The only thing I dislike about the GS is the clunky gearbox - the Ducati was miles better......
Good review Andy. The 1250 is a difficult bike to improve AND to keep the character. I’d stick with the slightly less perfect 1250 if it was a BMW choice, although Bennett’s summed up that BMW had tried to make the 1300 a bit more like the Multistrada……so actually you may as well go and buy one of those. I sort of agree with that. Good weekend bud!
Great comparison and I agree with your conclusion. However, if you want the latest and greatest and can justify the price tag then the 1300 is a great bike. Im still happy with my 2017 1200 RT and will either opt for one of the last 1250's or wait for a used 1300 down the road. Like others have mentioned, if you're going to keep the bike for a long time get the most basic version...its all the electronic upgrades that always fail in the long run...
Having been on boxers for the last decade I would say the big leap forward was the variable valve timing. This has transformed the top-end because, as you know, the previous models all tended to run out of breath well short of the red line. Given that both bikes have got this, the gain in going to 1300 is infinitesimal. I chose an RT over a GS because I wanted a road bike (rather than a pretend off-roader), but aesthetically I think the GS1300 is an improvement on its predecessor, as it looks a bit more like a motorbike and less like the Starship Enterprise. Nice film, glad to see you've had the sense to come back to Wales.
I'll be forever coming back to Wales on my bikes!
but the RT is 100 pounds heavier?
@@juanmayorga1711 My RT is 30kg heavier than the regular 1250 GS, 10kg heavier than the 1250 Adventure. For that I get a big fairing which is very handy in the winter. The bike is heavyish to push or pull out of the garage but does not feel heavy to ride - handles like a 250! I suspect the 1300 RT (2025) will be a bit lighter but I'm happy to stick with what I've got.
I had a similar view when I tested one in that everything was a bit better which for me overall added up to quite a difference, lots of small things equal one big thing maybe? The game changer for me was the auto height thingy not being over blessed in the height department and I do find the 1300 with standard seats and the auto height spot on for me, the seat is firmer but I found after a while is as comfortable as the 1250, for me anyhow. I came from a 1250 TE and while I loved the bike I am glad I changed, if they ever sort out the luggage it would help!
The last reason was that even though it was expensive, I had kind of decided I would buy it sometime and the longer I waited the more the 1300 would go up in price and the more the 1250 would go down so decided to take the plunge early.
Good vid though, thanks.
You went so fast the camera went blurry 🤭🤭👌
I'd go for the 1250 for 15,900, only 3500 miles. But if you've got deep pockets and want the 1300 enjoy! Nice to see a blue sky in England 😊
Yes and this was recorded in January!
For me your most telling video was comparing pillion comfort. Having gone out on the 1300 with my wife she much prefers the 1200/1250 GS. That means that even if I could afford a 1300 I wouldn’t go that route as we tour quite allot.
Yes that is a major issue for me too....
I’ve got a well sorted 2014 GSA no need to change for the sake of changing I say .
Agreed 100%
Nice brief comparison.
I think that the main benefit of the 1300 is the adaptive vehicle height control system which makes the bike easier to handle when at low speed and stationary.
I haven't ridden the 1300 but believe there is more engine noise; a bit more clatter from the top end, and I'm pretty sure I could hear the difference on your video - did you notice any difference?
Yes it does sound different
yep is noisy at low low speeds, but as you speed up just 30 m/h it seems to get a lot less noisy
Good honest review, I just can't get on with the styling of the new GS 1300, it looks small stood next to the GS 1250 ( especially next to a GSA) and lacks road presence , as for price, it is expensive especially when you look online at some of the deals available on new GS 1250 , personally I'd stick with the 1250.
I would have the 1250 I just like the overall look of it over the new bike and it looks a proper beast which is what a GS should be I feel they have diluted the GS brand slightly.
It is clear that you have loved your current 1200GS but it sounds like it might be up for replacement in the near future as your enthusiasm for both these models is obvious - I look forward to seeing what your choice of replacement will be or at almost £23k in full spec is the Ducati V4 Multistrada a contender (the guys at Bennetts think so!)? Great video as always - thanks.
Bennet's did a comparison of the two bikes using a professional tester on an runway. Although the 1300 was quicker overall the 40-70 times were about the same. In the real world that's where we're at for overtakes, so perhaps that's why you weren't noticing a difference?
Could well be! ...and yes I enjoyed the Bennetts video.....
Fair play Mr flyer you got ahead of the possey on that one...ride safe from top man😊
Thanks 👍
Another excellent video Andy comparing real world differences and not performance figures. As you say marginal gains but with massive price between the two. Half way through I was thinking that a nearly new 1250gs would suit you to trade up from the 1200 and you confirmed my thoughts. That trophy colour scheme does look lovely tho 👍
Absolutely
My wife will be very happy with your conclusion - my 2022 R1250GS TE bought new with 10K miles will stay!
It’s 2am in Texas why am I up … Friday night was fun misses is happy and sleeping 😅
I guess that it would be argued that BMW are applying incremental evolutionary improvements to the GS brand. I have bought a R1300 GS TE (Trophy Colours) and priced it on a like for like basis and there was very little difference between the 1250 and 1300 given that the 1300 TE come with an Electric Windscreen. The extra cost comes mainly due to the additional optional features - Adaptive Vehicle Height Control £490.00 and Riding Assistant (radar etc) £760.00 which weren't available with the 1300 but I "had to have"! I'll let you know in a couple of months whether it was all worth it!
I already know the answer…..
I don't mind the music, it's probably hard to find non copyright anyway - it's not that important
Nice to see the rare phenomen of sun! I did a side by side comparison too. Even had the same tyres on both bikes Tourance 2s. As you said a little better, for me personally better by 10% all round. Biggest issue for me is I really did not like the menu system, ended up using the radar cruise so I could navigate and read the screen, even though the radar is excellent its not a good option to have to use! I dont think muscle memory works for when delving into menus compared to button sequences.
Stand outs of 1300 for me were the increased spriteliness on turn in and the snickety snick gearbox felt less spongy than the 1250. Non standouts were power, not so much as is made out, and rear brake still rubbish feel and activation like the 1250!
All day comfort and road presence I think the 1250 definitely pips it, if I had a 300 mile day ahead of me I think I would veer towards the old bike, if for a morning blast round the lanes then definitely the 1300.
Agreed all round...and yes sunshine (and this was recorded in early January!)
This is why I still come back to your content! I can tell that you haven't been given a free upgrade to the 1300gs, and told to say good things :P
I love my 1250GS, and I see the 1300 as a completely new era of bike, hard to compare them, but we have to!
Keep the content coming!
Is there something you're not telling us Andy? I notice the TMF sticker on the back of the 1300 top box 🤔
Nope - this is a long term tester I thought it deserved a sticker!
The 1300 is missing a soul. For me, any new 22k motorcycle should be marginally better than the old version. My current 1200GS will be my last - its KTM 1290 stable mate is a superior motorcycle in all ways but one (chain drive). Anyway, top video as always, old chap.
Thanks for watching!
Interesting comparison Andy. From what I can tell, the jump from the 1200 to the 1250 seems a more marked evolution compared to the 1250 to the 1300.
Like you said: marginal.
These days the deal cruncher on these models will be the extortionate insurance for where I live. Car insurance renewal quote this year 50% more than last year, paid 27% more after shopping around, wondering what the bike quote will be in September. In my naivety when I first came across PCP purchase and saw the figures I thought this included insurance and servicing, “stupid boy.” Dealers not really interested in cash, unless sales targets are substantially down, unlikely at the moment, one salesman told me that they sold 60 R13s up to 31.12.23 probably on PCPs, nice earner!
Simply put,evolution over revolution
Andy, you have a number of bikes in your stable and experience with many more. How would you compare the expense of the maintenance cycle on the big GS's? Lot's of people decry it for Ducati's. With BMW's, is it one of those, "If you have to ask, you probably can't afford it" type of things? Just wondering if jumping into the used market is with out it's extra expenses over the norm.
I don’t find BMW ownership any more expensive than any other motorcycle
I just can't get past the batwings in the front.. Why not make all the plastic transparent?
An interesting video and comparison. Suppose it depends on how much money u have. I have a air cooled gs from 2009 which cost me 4.5k and completed nearly 25k miles on her. Obviously the newer bikes r better but r they 4 times better down to price. Suppose we need them so there will be something to buy in 10 years time, assuming they last. Keep making the content as its always enjoyable, regards Rob
Thank you Rob - will do!
Great Video Andy.....im guessing you will get the New 1300GS once you hand back this one form long term loan...!!!! As you said it a better bike in everyway..!!! Also your 1200 GS is over 10 years old now so time for a upgrade....😊😊😊😊🏍🏍🏍
It may be 10 years old but it’s still going strong! No plans to upgrade personally…
@TheMissendenFlyer you will you love a upgrade , it's only money matey 😉
DO you want to put money on it? ;0)
Enjoy your videos so took a 1300GS for a test ride. I have an HD Ultra Limited and was thinking of trading. The BMW is certainly lighter, faster, and feels more nimble. What took me back was the insane road or engine noise. Would need ear plugs on this thing. After quickly jumping back on mine it felt like a Cadillac in comparison. What has your experience been with the BMW's. Do you have excessive road noise at highway speeds?
Haven't noticed it - but then I do always wear ear plugs.
Might just be me but I thought the 1300 sounded way smoother. Totally agree on the better looks of the older ones though.
Yes it is....but marginal
great comparison, totally agree, so much so i have just upgraded to a 1250, one thought when you park up which bike would you look back at longest? looks matter
Great comparison... I can't help but think the 1300 looks more like a Honda.
So marginally better than a 1250. Using that logic it should be considerably better than a 1200 GS. How do we know that owns a 1200GS? 😮 top vid as always.
Hi Andy.Great review.I was struck by how ugly the top box on the r1300 was.looks like its hanging off.Funny that the Bennetts review came out as well as yours.I think your price comparisons were more valid.A 1250 is about £19 k ,not £22.Also on my VW Golf the adaptive criuse comtrol radar is the size of a fag packet.I cant understand why the r1300,s is so big.Im happy to stick with my 1250gs for now.I did try the 1300 but its too expensive to change.The jump was far bigger when changing from a 1200 to a 1250.
Weird why BMW couldn't integrate that radar better - they managed it on the RT!
Honest review as ever Andy. . But as mentioned before can't see myself getting either to be absolutely honest. . Just can't bring myself to like the looks of either and certainly not at that price and, at the risk of derision and abuse, feel like they are really for the domain of riding instructors etc who have to carry stuff but also move at pace and be in all weathers! . So kind of soulless but functional. . So not for me thanks!
If the bike you have is in good nick & reliable , I would keep the GS you have ,for a few more years ,while some other mugs suffer any teething issues on the new model . Then once they ironed out any issues , if you still want the new Beemer ,treat yourself to one .
Great Review
Interesting. A few pounds less weight, 5 hp more. No so different. One other test would be the changes in the evo tele lever front ebd. Some off roading may show that up. Somethings about the new 1300 I really like. The styling. Subjective to all. The old 1250 is true bred workhorse. We will see about the new one. But it's a tough one too. All good. Absolutely beautiful place to ride. That was wonderful. Skip the bikes point the camera toward the sea and farmlands
Yes a fabulous part of the world for bikers!
I don't like the look of either but if they moved the 1300 light up to where the radar pad is and added a rear light I would prefer the look of the 1300
However if I was buying one I would go for a good second hand 1250 and save 6k
But as an R 1250 RS rider Who wanted a GS I bought a 750 as my second bike
Great stuff, perhaps somewhere it might have been an idea to say how long you have owned the gs 1200 for.
That way if someone is seeing one of your vids for the first time, it puts a context around your comments. :)
Great point!
You said ten years, didn’t you ?
@@JohnB998think he said the bike was 10 years old, but not how long he's had it, though in the context of watching his other videos I'd assume he bought it new at the time
Good point - mines a MY14 that I bought new at the end of 2013 - so over ten years now!
I never buy the first year of a new model. Never have, never will. Adaptive ride height, not needed. Bigger and stronger engine, don’t need it, electric wind screen…dangit!! 😂😂 But I also don’t need a battery that has had problems nor a bike that could catch on fire sitting there! I’m confident BMW will iron out these issues, but if I’m expected to pay $30,000 USD for a bike, it better have lighted buttons so I can see what I’m fiddling with at night! And it better whistle at my butt every time I walk by, now I’m telling you what! 😂😂😂
The 1st model rule only applies to BMW....and Aprilia. 😊
The looks are personal, I personally think the 1300gs is more modern. A big plus of the 1300 is that you have ACC as an option. Unfortunately, that is not possible with the 1250gs.
Doesn't almost every motorcycle have a small amount of vibration? I'm not including the super tourers though.
I wish i could afford such a machines.
What would you recommend as an older BMW?
It depends what sort of riding you do - you can’t go far wrong with an old R1200 GS!
Bought an 1150 before the Charley Ewan appeal. Never fancied another one since and the 1300 still doesn't do it for me.
Very good 1250 looks great talked to gs 1250 owner this week he doesint like looks the 1300 .but 1300 is lighter and looks fine to me .I chouldint afford either .but appreciate them .I have old st 1100
The 1250 was and is about presence of which the new 1300 has not a lot of, in my opinion. I think BMW, with all the tech and engineering on this new bike, have overlooked this. Others such as KTM, Triumph, Ducati still have that instant attraction.
The R1300GS is your long-term loan bike, isn't it? If the tyres on it are OEM supplied, they look close to 100% road/touring. Are they? If so, the 1300 is being marketed without any real chance off road.
True…
1300 GS has the face than only mother would love. I test drove it ad liked it a lot but the look of the new bike is not for me. I will stick to my 1200 GSA LC which I really love.
Iphone v27 and Iphone v27.1 - 5 more pixels in the camera :)
Did you "sing the theme choon"?