I understand the sentiment that S2 has problems (I agree with your points on NPC Enforcers and CaitVi's steamy scene) but I have thoughts, specifically about your takes on episode 7: 1. AU Powder and everyone else wouldn't just immediately cast away Ekko because he's acting weird or blurting out inconsiderate things, even if it is strange. If my BFF pulls out a screwdriver and starts attacking me, I would be suspicious, but my first instinct isn't. "What alien has just possessed my best friend?" 2. Everything in Arcane is connected: With Vi dead, the kids never walked away with any stolen goods because they got caught, and Enforcers never chased them down. Vander was never kidnapped by Silco in the midst of getting arrested for them, the family never exploded, Vander saw the letter apologizing to Silco (which would have a big impact since Silco truly miss Vander as shown by his S1 ep3 monologue) and was never overthrown, with Vander and Silco's teamwork they could negotiate unity with Piltover, etc. 3. Ekko cannot tell Powder the truth to avoid ruining her life. Yes, it's dishonest to hide the truth, but how would Powder react to the news that she became a homicidal terrorist and is capable of murdering her entire family? Best case scenario: Powder cuts Ekko off, he can't use her lab or genius to return to his universe, and he's stuck there forever. Worst case scenario: Powder goes insane from guilt, she becomes Jinx, and Ekko just caused the destruction of this AU Piltover. 4. Whether Powder knows this is not her Ekko is left up to interpetation. Either way, the kiss is a selfish action, but can you blame him? Ekko has been in live with Powder since they were kids, and he has onky one opportunity to relish the life he could have had with her. If he didn't kiss her, it would have aroused suspicion since they are dating. You are entitled to your thoughts, but maybe watch some videos praising episode 7's plot (from people who also dislike S2 as a whole) and rewatch the episode to see how you feel.
season 2 has its moments and emotional beats, but it will not age like the classic that is season 1. if the first season is ATLA, season 2 is legend of korra.
Wrong comparison both ATLA and Korra are better than arcane Don't you get it people love arcane season 2, apparently rated higher than the first, while TLOK is actually hated, so I don't see the similarities
I can't back this comparison. For the cracks I see in S2 of Arcane S2 Korra will forever be worse. Like by a mile. Any other season of Korra would be a better comparison great concepts with cracks in execution.
@JayDPhantomReaper nope there's nothing worse than the black Rose plot, despite all the criticism of TLOK, they atleast didn't pull crap of their a$$, everything was setup from previous episodes. TLOK season 2 is far more cohesive than arcane season 2, and it's not even close. Even if TLOK season 2 is bad, that's still 1/4th of the entire show, that's significantly better compared to 1/2 for arcane, So mathematically your point doesn't stand. There's nothing cohesive about this season of arcane, deal with it.
You know what troubles me, though? The fact that so many people seem to agree that season two is a masterpiece, or at least a flawed one. The fact that so many people "fell" for all the cheap and lazy emotional manipulation in the story (like Isha's "character"). People rated S2 way higher than S1. They actually love it. I've been into writing MY WHOLE life. Seeing things like Arcane S2 work with audiences worries me because it makes me think that perhaps this is what the future looks like. Maybe this is what people want and what they really resonate with. Is it lazy in our eyes (as storytellers)? Absolutely. Does that really matter if audiences seem to praise it anyway? Years ago I would've said "of course it matters, quality and complexity will always be relevant". Nowadays I don't really know.
it's copium. you have to take into account that a lot of fans are young with some sort of parasocial attachment to the franchise so they " have to " love it whatever comes out
people just tend to not question things too much. They expected peak, they wanted peak so this is what they made of it. Doesn't work with first seasons though. My two cents are that the money bugs at riot treated s2 vastly different than s1. S1 was an ambitious project driven by christian Linke who is actually a music composer, so his the people deciding on budget weren't expecting that much when he proposed to direct a tv series. But they financed drafts and they looked good so they kept on gradually financing it. I don't have any knowledge on the process of s2's funding, but I see that it's basically mostly promoting material or fanservice for league and I see that they heavily conjoin s2 and soundtracks and such with the marketing of the lol world championship. So I guess after they realized how much success it had they wanted to have a little more say in what's the content and how to incorporate it into their other business strategies. Considering what a godlike masterpiece the first season is I heavily doubt that the creators would come up with this writing if given free autonomy. But it may also be possible that they were unexperienced at making shows and after an initial (and maybe partially lucky) succes they overexerted themselves. In the pursuit of great they failed to do good or some such.
Even if the story is bad , the animation and music quality made us unable to see the plot holes Plus every scene was animated very well with the same style of season one And also a lot of people forgot what the whole story of season one was about
@@i.shuuya3231 I think you're right about the future of writing. Between AI and the decline of creativity, writing a decent story is going to be praised instead of it being the standard. Media has just become too saturated that the standouts are very few and far between. Its sad, but it is what it is. The bar creeps ever lower. To be fair to Arcane season 2, the first season set an incredibly high bar. Zero expectations going in, huge expectations coming out. I personally enjoyed Arcane season 2 for what it was: incredible animation, some great original music, and seeing characters I've known for years brought to life. I have growing qualms with the writing, but we got what we got.
@@solarydays Definitively some copium going on. Took me days after binge watching S2 to realise I didn't like it at all. I was too invested in the story and characters built up in S1 to be able to admit that those stories and characters will never get an proper ending.
If Arcane season 1 is a conversation with an intellectual philosopher, season 2 is a conversation with a parrot that was present in the former conversation. Same could be said of so much produced these days. Starts strong, collapses into poor imitation. Star Wars, Alien, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Rings of Power etc etc...
15:34 THANK YOU BRO. it's shocking how many people treat that letter thing so seriously. Like really? Even political views aside. Vander almost brutally murder silco and changed him forever. And sorry letter should solve everything. Right.
yeah this. they're really treating the audience for fools if we're supposed to believe the characters we knew in season 1 would just put aside their deep seated differences and fundamentally different worldviews aside because of a letter. the way silco shows up in the alternate utopia like "hey there" is an insult to everyone's intelligence
@@WickedHumor He literally apologized to Silco when he was caught and didn't want to fight him at first this only angered Silco more because he saw him as weak, literally saying that he is willing to die for a cause but not fight for one
@@mishan3168 It's implied the letter is an invitation to try and make amends. Of course Silco isn't going to read a short letter and go skipping back to The Last Drop to grab a drink together. There's some conversation implied.
I HATE the fact jinx turns good. I was excited to psycho jinx like it is shown in the game (not played it), now it DOESN’T make ANY SENSE. Her character arc ruined and she survives yet still good. But leads onto games she meant to be psycho THE FRICKEN REUNION ARC VI AND JINX I DETESTED why for once we accept sibling’s and family can be separated and go on with their lives, people change we need to let go. Vi was so ANNOYING in this season not learning. I want separation representation!
Bruh that was always going to happen, it’s called a character arc and if you start off unstable and evil there’s only one way to take an arc without her being a totally boring, stagnant character.
Don't know if my opinion is welcome here 😅 because I am seeing many people in the comment section hating season 2. And before I voice my opinion, just wanted to say I agree with many things you have said in this video and you have described the problems very well as well as why another season would have been good for further developing arcs and characters. But like I said "many" things not everything and to be honest I love this show the first and the second season with my whole heart (probably my favourite show) and maybe I love it as much as I do because I am as most people would say "coping", BUT and that's a huge but I dont think that is the case. Afer watching season 2 (and rewatching it) and several analysis on season 2 and it's arcs (especially from the creator schnee) I realized the "deeper" writing (in the sense of the themes and connections between the arcs of the different characters as well as the connection of themes seen somewhere else in the context of other characters and how it results in the evolution of the characters) is still at worst amazing and at best as good as or better than season 1 (debattable). In the end it all comes down to personal prefrence, are there things, that could have been done/handled better (objectivley seen)? : Yes and I think so too. But even though so many corners were cut, I belive (almost) all decision made by characters make sense (especially when you analyze the arcs and decisions and in which context they are made), even though they could've been fleshed out better. That's why I come to the conclusion of Arcane (as a whole and not just season 1) being a masterpiece, despite it's flaws (I know it sounds contradictory, but to me it makes sense). Hope you can respect my opinion, peace✌️.
Yes. The Subtext is what makes S2 another masterpiece. I think people don't see it that way because it's a different kind of masterpiece, the story is communicated in a different way. But I think all the tiny details and the subtext tell way more than the surface level story.
To be honest, I was scared after hearing it was gonna come out only four years after the last season. I feel like that's only enough time to produce the animation alone.
I think it's implied that Powder figured out that Ekko was from an alternate timeline. It's why she kept looking at him like that and why she understood when it seemed like he didn't want to kiss her. Your other points are good though this season sucks. I'm just Ekko's #1 defender he's never done anything wrong in his life.
Don't blame Vi for point 12. I have not noticed anyone knowing Ekko even survived the bridge fight. He does not seem to have reached out to let her know he didn't actually die
He came back with Heimer to the tree and to his people, and they lived there for a few months until they went to investigate hextech anomaly effect on the tree.
Very unfortunate, it could have been a true masterpiece. They had an incredible base to off of, Only thing holding it together is the incredible animation but that's not enough unfortunately.
Waiting for you to zoom in on loris in the first 10 seconds of the video and saying “arcane season 2, well uh… who the hell is this guy” cause that’s my reaction to most of the added characters that add nothing to the story
Jinx is the only one who ever took a shot at their oppressors and not just got a hit in but absolutely devastated them. Off course she's idolised. Come on dude. Now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
To be fair, season 1 had super low expectations. Like basically zero. If you know about League of Legends you understand. People fully expected the show to be an extended "music video" quality fight porn. Really up until the first actual trailer, people were NOT optimistic, and even then they held their breath. It took everyone by surprise with how well it was done. It was lots of shock factor backed up by a well executed production. Season 2 could never have re-captured that no matter how good it was. Even if it was better, which would be near impossible, people would still rate it lower. The novelty is gone and will remain so. I personally enjoyed it for what it was, despite having growing qualms about story, plot, and character development. I wish whatever internal issues they had due to Covid/corporate pressures/time constraints would have had more time to be ironed out, but here we are. However, I still have hope we get to see some cool locations and characters in future shows. I just hope they revitalize the writing team. Everything else about the show was stellar.
@@raldrid8264 they get a lot of stuff wrong, or just interpret it differently than I did(which doesn't necessarily make me right, btw), but there are some issues that don't quite add up or can't be justified. I'm still personally happy with it and thoroughly enjoyed, but I can understand dissenters.
All the Points about everyone hating jinx for Killing silco donz make sence. Everyone in Zaun hated silco, jinx Killing him makes her even more of a Hero to them
There are facts in this video, although much is very picky and sloppy. And yes, it was rushed. Some characters are bland, some plotholes. But what and why characters do, their behaviour and their thoughts is something for the audience to interpret. For example Loris is a bland charcter, but he serves a purpose and fills that empty father figure role for Vi(similarities with Vander). This reflects on what Vi has lost, what she mourns and is in need of affection. Same goes for Maddie and Isha. Many characters are fillers building on the main cast, not everything has to be explaind, not everything has to be shown, although it would be appreciated. But as it is today; many movies/series are rushed with plotholes and bland charcters, but I enjoyed Arcane one and two. After all, movies have the purpose of portraying different messages and themes in certain way; gives new perspective. Imo Arcane succeeded in that way.
Every point is spot on. The most annoying part though - is just how basic and expected all of these questions are. And probably a half of these could've been resolved by adding a short scene, or even just a few sentences here and there.
as i said in another video, people are interested in what stimulates their emotions even if it's at the cost of a little logic, it doesn't matter if the work is perfect and symmetrical, if it doesn't bring any emotion, apart from you and your neighbor, no one will watch it, their goal was to reach as many people as possible, on the other hand , many scenes have been cut, which is why the criticism that the season is rushed is totally valid, on the other hand, that you don't care about isha is personal, that you didn't like ep 7 is personal, that you don't understand why ekko and jayce, who were in contact with the arcane, weren't affected is ignorance, etc...
To be fair to point 15 I don't think it's a retcon. They simply show that Vander and Silco were friends of their parents, not that Vander was always their father figure. They still had their real dad who (presumably) died alongside their mom
Yeah, the dude completely missed the point. Vander was Vi's and Powder's godfather so he started off as their uncle and took them in after their parents died and at some point he started considering them his own which makes sense because these were his memories. And I doubt Jinx even remembers her biological parents, she was like 4? 5? And I wouldn't be suprised if Vi also started considering Vander her father at some point even though she never called him that way before the timeskip (I have a friend who met her stepfather in the age of 9 and she calls him by his name even though she considers him her actual father due to the time spent together so- kinda real life Vi and Vander's situation). It's more odd that Silco who was also friends with Vi's and Powder's parents (and the girls' godfather as well) wanted to kill them but I guess he was too much of a psychopath at that point (and maybe he also saw Powder's mother in Jinx and it finally hit him like a flash - she is Felicia's daughter, that is up to interpretation basically).
I'm reading a lot of comments about the "unbelievability" of some of the character arcs, mainly based on observations of changes in character direction / motivation (i.e. Jinx not being "psychotic enough" and the like). I think perhaps the core theme (and there are lots of themes layered on top of this) is the breaking of patterns/cycles. Some of those are expressed through the pattern/cycle of xenophobia (the general tension between Piltover and the Underground); the pattern of trauma & family loss (Vi & Jinx continually being haunted by the death and return of a father like Vander); the limited thinking of 'Good vs Evil' in a landscape that continually changes the definition of what is Good & Evil (think about Viktor's conversations with his former mentor, the Doctor). I can list more - Life/Death; Sibling Rivalry; Political Power; Science vs Magic; but the whole story structure was based around the idea of "doing it over" -- Ekko's literal invention (and Deus Ex Machina story mechanism) is the ability to "do-over" the last ~4 seconds. His character has a literal expression of even how the story is written (you often see something happen in one episode and then jump back four episodes later to see what actually happened), not unlike Ekko pulling the cord on the device. I think this season will age into critical masterpiece later. Is it perfect? No, and I think a lot of the points that feel a little weaker are veiled mandates from corporate to ensure "connectivity" between the show and any kind of future merchandising they'd like to do with the game, so that much can only be helped so much by the writing (and frankly, I thought they folded it in quite elegantly, all things considered).
I couldn't have put it better myself. This video kinda hit me in a weird spot because I feel like there are just plot points that the creator didn't like and labeled as lazy writing which feels a bit strange. Like I think points 2 and 3 kinda answer each other, the people of Zaun idolized Jinx not the chem-barons, the drug lords only care about moving up on the totem pole now that there is a power vacuum as shown by the subplot with Finn in season 1. Jinx is idolized because she took a shot at topside which is what a lot of the undercity wanted from both Vander and Silco but neither ever did because they both understood it would just cause more violence then solve and SUPRISE the result of Jinx taking the shot is more violence. On the other hand some points are super valid like the whole thing about characters going missing for months and nobody questioning it, like Caitlyn not wondering what happened to Jayce is strange to me with how much they built that dynamic in season 1 as well as Jayce killing Salo. Like wouldn't Viktor know that and know to not let jayce in? Am I missing something here? At the end of the day my only problem (Arcane was also super overhyped online but that is a story for another day) with Arcane is I wish there was more of it and the core essence of all the criticism I have seen so far always comes back to wanting more too!
[● I think a reason that season 2 turned out less than great is because it wasn't supposed to be just 2 seasons. Originally there were more seasons planned, and several plot points and characters that got introduced were meant to have more elaboration and time to shine, but Arcane got cancelled, leaving all their ideas ultimately unfinished, making it seem lacking and poorly put together, when in reality, the real villain of the story is capitalism. Again. If the show was allowed to have more time, then it would have been a better product overall, but Netflix decided to axe it, meaning the writers had to scramble to introduce all the plots and characters they wanted to introduce in only one season. Not only that, but now they had to also wrap up all of those plots and characters before the show ended, because then we're left with a lot more loose ends. With that said, it's a lose-lose situation, because they still couldn't elaborate or wrap up everything properly, so season 2 was doomed the minute that the show got cancelled.]
I just know Loris and Steb are the inforcers' names, because they're troops in the tft mode, I just kept joking around with my friends that play tft saying things like "you remember when Steb said "we're legends, a league of legends" and he started stebbing all the robots" while in call with our other friends that don't play tft but whatched the show, just to mess with them
Wait what? They basically took these characters in from Team Fight Tactics? I have never played it, so I'm not really familiar. If it is so it's nuts 💀
@Kantorek17 no, they are in TFT beacuse they appear in arcane not the other way around, there's also some of the show's chem barons there (Smeech and Renni)
The reason Ekko wasn’t touched by the light thing is because he was already transformed by the weird ball thing. He was sent to another universe and was transformed by it. That is why both Ekko and Jayce weren’t connected to the lights
Good video my dude, very efficiently laid out and digestible with well-structured arguments. What's truly hilarious is that you've barely even scratched the surface of all the problems with this season of the show. Every time I go back and watch it I find more and more issues with the plot, the character writing, the pacing, even the theming. It's the complete opposite of how it was with season one.
It makes me sad man, I did enjoy s2, but compared to s1..bruh. I remember reading about Arcane's creators saying they didn't plan s2 once they finished s1 and they admitted it was a mistake, then s2 came out rushed. I feel like s2 plots were fine but some stuff lacked explanation or needed more time or development, some of my opinions: 1- the black rose was out of nowhere and Mel's witch arc was too. 2- I wanted to see more of Viktor's cult,maybe to empathize with it more and make us think "hey! It's a good thing" but it only lasted 1 episode 3- Jayce's arc also needed more time, why did he kill Viktor? Why didn't he try for a friendly approach for his partner? Or why didn't future Viktor sent him way back in time to fix stuff before Viktor was consumed by the hex? 4- I don't understand their decission to change the game lore, they could've kept it or make this a kind of "alternate universe/timeline", instead they changed stuff and the game's lore to be more similar to Arcane
The string of light that was supposed to be for Elmo, attached itself to jinx since she dodged her own one and then Warwick literally man handled her into another one(meant for Ekko)
Even in those couple of sneaks peaks they released, something was off. Heimerdinger "sneaking" into his own lab wasn't funny. That "Twice. Once when I met him, then, when I killed him" line sounded to edgy. And I really love that you pointed out that Isha's death shouldn't have been a bittersweet heroic moment! Children sacrificing themselves shouldn't be a good thing! Every critic sees different flaws, and you're all helping me grieve what s2 could've been 😂
Isha's death made Jinx spiral, made her give up on herself, mad her suicidal. She nearly killed herself, even functionally succeeded, and was only stopped because of Ekko. Isha's death was not a good thing.
i was almost disappointed to know that arcane season 2 was released this year. season 1 took 9 years to make while season 2 took only 3. i already knew it's going to feel rushed and like a cash grab. full of easter eggs and less of a story that made sense(jinx suddenly becoming an idol was so jarring to me)
i think that more has to do with the animation, a lot of that time would have been creating the models and engine etc which would have been reused for season 2. they also hired more animators i believe so that would have shortened the time needed for season 2. i think the rushed feeling probably had more to do with the amount of episodes they had to finish the story rather than the actual amount of time they had to work on it.
i actually was so happy when isha died, i even thought “nah, couldn’t be, they revive literally everyone in this series so death feels like nothing”. i mean they can’t even let jinx die in the end for me to like / respect her (a terrorist and serial killer) at least a little bit more. nah, let’s just say she escaped cause twitter will enrage otherwise 😏
Why tf do ppl always have to get info for background characters?? I waited for all of season 2 to be out and just recently binge watched all of it, and I don't recall being bothered about those guys just being there and then not... Why can't there be background characters who just are there and do get a bit more screen time? I certainly did not get curious about their "story". And those characters being there certainly did not break my immersion into the binge. Mby ppl just had too much space between the episodes and got restless and started getting curious about useless things.
As somebody who didn't catch the hype and skipped watching season 1, it's hard for me to separate the 2 seasons at all. Since I watched the entire run in one go, i seem to have missed a lot of complaints people are having. In my head, Arcane S1+2 feel like one continued season. I even got two episodes into season 2 without realizing it even ended. I only bring this up because these issues only seem obvious to those who expected them. Granted the majority of people watched Arcane with a few years separating the seasons. It's mostly those who watched all of Arcane in one span that don't see these issues
cause thats how the writters wrote the the seasons if this makes sense. Like, they wrote both seasons at the same time. s2 is a direct continuation of s1
My main issue is how everything ramped up so quickly. From the tension of war between Zaun and Piltover breaking out to, well Viktor becoming basically some kind of god and turning everyone into mindless mechanical creatures. It felt like Season 2 relied too much on LoL lore, making it a lot more isolated for the people who'd watched Season 1 without any knowledge of the outside LoL lore. Season 2 felt a lot like the second season of another very promising show, The Promised Neverland. Which had a great first season, then tried to conclude the ENTIRE series in a second season?? These projects take so much time and money to make, but why is something like this being rushed out? Season 2 of Arcane didn't even feel complete by the end of it, everything had been left up to interpretation without any conclusion that felt satisfying. Mostly everyone is dead, Jinx is now dead, at least Vi got to be with Caitlyn, Jayce and Viktor are gone, Vander got brought back as Warick, developed and then killed off again for an emotional gut punch, Isha, loris and the other enforces never got any other development and were just killed off for shock value. People try and argue its this eyeopening look of how war isn't pretty or heroic but it's still just, feels like rushed and lazy writing. Honestly, the show should have taken more time to focus on its two central characters instead of trying to expand into this confusing multiverse level cinematic universe. It felt so unsatisfying..
This show since the first episodes of season one make no sense from a socio-political point of view. Slico is the rebel that stay true to the cause and get almost murdered by the traitors friend sold out to the oppressor and yet he become the criminal that's the only one to exploit Zaun. Not to mention that hey give up because some friend die... as if you start a revolution not knowing it will happen. Piltover have no advantage in keeping Zaun under their flag since not one noble is shown to have some way to exploit the lower city. This are just to disconnected reality that randomly have a huge social disparity with for no reason. Season one end with the council voting for the independence of Zaun, becaus rich people at power is kind and moved by the greater good... But they are forced to act with violence because a lunatic girl blast their palace in the exact same moment for no reason... and this turn her in a rebel icon... because you know rebels are mad troublemakers with no cause or criminals or both. This is pop corporate gaslighting with a look cannibalized from dystopian narrative and punk counter culture... Season one was a bit less rushed so at least the emotional impact was high and the mind conditioning could be accepted with more ease without noticing it so hard. tbf LoL lore has always been like that. Is pointless and devoid of any critical aspect. Just an emotional package to attach to the character. I wasn't expecting anything more and they just confirmed it. Technically a cool display of animation and design... nothing that let you wander "how the hell they did that? " anyway as a 3D artist. Is more like... "damn they know how to use their tool at a master level"
1- I like to think these characters that one trope (forgot the name) where the writer will have a random, nameless "NPC" character get some screentime to show the plot through the eyes of the NPCs. 2- "Gangs fighting each other makes no sense". My man, if you knew anything about real life gangs, you'd know that they fighting each other makes ALL THE SENSE. 4- The common folk idolizing someone that takes the fight to the high ups makes no sense? Are you sure about that? **gestures broadly at the direction of a certain CEO shooter** 9- I thought he got captured bcuz he wanted to "show off" his new toy to Ambessa, and join her ranks, which is exactly what he does. 13- As a non-LoL player, I agree wholeheartedly with this. It felt like a "wink wink nudge nudge" to all LoL players while giving other fans the middle finger. 16, 21- The MOMENT they introduced Isha I thought: "They're gonna kill her in a drawn-out, emotional scene to hurt Jinx, aren't they?". And lo and behold, its exactly what they did. I don't like Isha. 20- Vi was never going to kill Jinx, and Jinx was never going to kill Vi. The sooner you accept this, the better.
I just fully watched your video, and I'd like to say that it's probably one of the best critical videos on S2 I've seen so far! I really like the way it's structured. It really helps to pinpoint what's wrong exactly with this Season. It doesn't address all of the problems this Season has of course, but, honestly, this Season was such a waste that naming every flaw it has would probably require 6+ hour video essay 💀 You providing all needed criticism in a span of 24 minutes is truly remarkable! I hope your video gets more attention and would succeed at changing people's mind over this mess of a Season. Thank you for creating it~! ✨💙💖🌸🙌
In my opinion, Ekko not getting Jesus handed along with Jayce was because they were altered by the Arcana and that's why seemed "invisible" to Victor's hands so he had to catch them. With alt Powder, I assumed she kind of put two and two together and realised that Ekko wasn't her Ekko, but I still feel weird about her falling in love with Ekko and kissing him. The whole scene was beautiful, but felt weird along with the other points stated in the video. Anyways, well made video. Thanks for pointing out the flaws! I would have ignored them
If you watch it again, you’ll notice that three of those Jesus hand things came for Vi, Jinx, and Ekko. However, Jinx managed to evade one of them, and it seemingly disappeared after that. Later, we see Warwick holding down Vi and Jinx, allowing the remaining two Jesus hand things to capture them. That left Ekko unaffected as he never got caught up in it or at least that’s what it look like.
Thank you for this video, Better Storytelling. While I dont agree with all of your takes, this was a well done and thought out video. I am very frustrated with how they handled most of the characters, in particular, the Zaunites. So much wasted potential. Jinx especially hurt for me since her schizophrenia just...left. You can become healthier, but mental illness isn't a choice, nor does it "go away" like a bad cold. And the writing off of character relationships was the worst writing decision for me. That really soured this season for me. Ekko/Vi, Cait/Jayce, Cait/Ekko (How would Ekko react to her gassing his home).
This was me! I was like crying at the end and so happy to have a show like this but then the next few days I was like wait a minute! 😂 and something felt off and now I don’t like season 2 as much.
It feel ls like youve wached the seasen while on your phone or something. Most of these points can be explained or are just wrong. id suggest you go back and watch it again and please pay attention this time
...You don't even try to argue against his points. You just insult him and call it a day. We're here to argue and become better storytellers, not throw shallow insults at each other because we don't like a take.
there's another thing that isn't really talked about but is a HUGEEE issue is the moment where Caitlyn randomly lets jinx go??? like I understand it's supposed to be symbolic as she no longer hates jinx more than she loves vi but at the same time she let go a terrorist who is also HEAVILY mentally unstable. the decision should've been based atleast on the councils votes and even then, why the hell would they let jinx go? Atleast send a party search for her she's a damn mass terrorist who had killed several people including even some of her own and has done enough crimes to be sentenced to life yet suddenly she's just scott free? Also Jinx, again a MASS CRIMINAL WHO WORKED UNDER SILCO (a drug lord), should've been heavily guarded. How the hell did Vi manage to just run in, unlock her cell and free her? the writing just doesn't make sense 😭
I do feel it needed another season to explore the war arc and an episode more on each arc in season 2 as there was too much happening and not enough screen time to fully explore what they needed. Like I think the decision to be an enforcer for vi should have been more nuanced and taken more than a single episode, they should of even implied doing so made her an alcoholic not the break up with Caitlyn even if you love someone usually it’s not losing them that causes alcoholism but rather seeds are usually there beforehand and I think for Vi to have been able to be an enforcer she should of been relying on alcohol to get through it because that would fit her character moreso. Jinx wasn’t actually bad writing as a lot of her followers are using her flare scene as their symbol…. She was unintentionally put into a hero status and she even says it herself “wake up sis I’m a hero” in a sarcastic tone as if she thinks it’s ridiculous because the only thing she believes is worthy of being a hero is saving zaunites from prison…. But her trying to get back to Vi was her uniting others below her even if she was doing all the wrong things… her temper tantrum was in a way rightfully done… what I mean by that is for years piltover oppressed Zaun so taking out the counsel members was a symbol of “tear down the system” which is exactly why Sevika becoming a member at the end was the right choice as the system was too in favour of piltoverians, for example both Vander and Silko should have been members of the counsel if the world was right, Silco moreso as Vander was just a guy and his bar that brought people together whereas Silco was a pillar of hope for Zaun even if he was a crime lord. And jinx embodied his ideals which made Zaun follow her even if she didn’t ask for it she was the mix of good and bad that Zaun had become she understood both sides of the coin of Vander and Silco which was something Vi couldn’t as she only saw Vander as right…. Though with another season it could have followed Vi becoming more of a leader of Zaun as an enforcer and having a split between the sisters similar to their respective fathers which would allow them to work together until the final arc similar to trying to save Vander but with more catalyst and on a larger scale..
There's a lot of poorly blocked scenes hiding and misleading with touchy feeling music. Isha's sacrifice: -Jinx was already out of WW range -WW was busy surrounded by zaunites -Jinx was so far away that even Vi has to stop her from stopping Isha -Why does Isha decided she needs to kill the beast that is literally acting as a misdirection so they can escape from the battle scene? -Why does Ambessa freaks out at WW killing Riktus when literally this was Singed said it was going to happen (going full rage mode) in the previous scene. I rewatched S1 so many times because of how well written it is. I have 0 desire of watching S2, because they more I think about it, the less sense it makes. Hey! but the touchy feely misdirection will hide everything.
20:44 THANK you again. This whole ship doesn't make any damn sense at all. Not only powder reaction on very weird behavior VERY unnatural whole time. He not better. Even if he had a little bit faith and sympathy for jinx left - IT'S AIN'T same person bro 🥴 you complete strangers to each other. There's nothing to make that ship work. But he suddenly falls in love with powder and decided to FIX his jinx. And fixed ☠️ Last time they saw each other. They were fighting to death. But now even after countless trying, he talked her out of suicide. I swear that season written by chat gpt. And people eat it. They happy about it. It's just sad.
18:10 I mean a shit explanation is that Warwick or Vander is legit in pain from a lava like substance oozing from his body or is trying his hardest not to kill the kid that lowkey tried to help him ig
it was pretty much impossibly for them to deliver 1:1 on the masterpiece of s1. I honestly couldn't shake the mixed feelings after s2 ended... felt quite empty inside after it all, and not because of emotional reponses or anything, it just felt like a pretty gallery of fancy moments, quotes, scenes and soundtracks to jumble every mismatched thing together... with lazy multiverse plot crutches on top, which I very much dislike... just a very lazy plot device.
Finally a video and comment section saying no to rushed and shoddy writing in Arcane 2. I really hate the multiverse bs and shift in focus to a huge world altering villain fight and Zaun issues nowhere in sight and really bad characters. Season 2 is a completely different show than season 1. And fans are truly coping and seeing Victors arc as deep, when it is a surface Level pseudo philosophy.
Season 2 was rushed not poorly written. This season was just as enjoyable as season 1 regardless of it's flaws. Also, given your thumbnail, it's pretty clear what's your real problem with episode 7 was. News flash it's 2024 not 1824.
There's a few things like WW could be alive bc of his inhuman regeneration abilities, or Heimer literally vanishing because Yordles interact differently with magic, because they themselves are magical beings etc so there's plot armour So a few things like that aren't weird to me.. but almost all writing flaws you pointed out I do agree on Especially the Cait Vi scene ruined both characters for me, I thought their relationship was gonna be interesting after Season 1... Oh well, also cool that they baited the unaliving Jinx at the end.. but that's a personal grudge as I've been at that point so many times But the show really had a weird feel to it, still a masterpiece but with alot of flaws
Okay, i was not really a fan of the "Jinx is a symbol" thing... but then, it makes sense. If you look at history and the many times a revolution broke out, it was the one that is the "loudest" that is remembered. We have to remember that Jinx has a signature she leaves after each attack, the has the fire that many would be inclined to follow during dire times. It doesn't matter if they represent them or not like you said about Ekko being a better representation of the undercity. In France, the revolution was a result of an outrage of the upper class. Robespierre who led the revolution was note only a bourgeois but also inclined to be murderous. But the use of the guillotine still was a symbol. The marseillaise is still a ruthless chant about insurection. And even in recent times, people who stormed the white house in america viewed Donald Trump as a symbol despite many of them being of the general working middle class. They related to him because he was different, he was loud and would stsnd out. It's easy for someone unfit to lead to still become a symbol. And for real important people to be forgotten.
The second season is not a continuation of the complex and rich story that was the s1, but simply a lot of video clips put together. How was Vi and Jinx conflict resolved? They just hugged twice. How does Vi and Caitlyn relationship develop? In one minute they quarreled, and then in one minute they made up. That's it. There's nothing more. And so the whole season. There's almost no real dialogue in the s2. One character simply says one sentence, and the second one also responds with one sentence. It's some kind of TikTok format. It's nice to watch. But there is little plot or meaning in it. The videos on RUclips with a cut of CaitVi relationship look especially revealing. One of them is called "3 minutes of CaitVi relationship". The video itself is 2.20. The funniest joke about the Second Season. There weren't even 3 minutes of the main couple's relationship in the series.
you lost me in point 22, but you got me in 25, and the conclusion was just to real. i feel season 2 is just some spectacle, cool visuals and some cool fights, but that political drama of season 1 where every scene have some impact on the history is gone, it’s sad but it is what it is. btw fuck the lol cinematic universe, i wanted to see a good show 😊
The main idea which probably 99% of Arcane fans don’t understand is that it never was a masterpiece or art. It’s just a story, decent series, but still made with money for money. It doesn’t have any personal language like writers and artists have. There is no tendencies and no «penmanship». Even if there was passion - it is completely swept away with corps ideas. Maybe understanding this will loosen the grip on the second season and raise its reputation a bit.
That episode 7 part has to be racist, there is literally 0 reason to dislike the character that has 0 unlikable qualities than call the relationship he has with a white girl disgusting 😂
Yeah once they started focusing on magic shit I knew it was gonna get iffy. Like most shows that start out great then they start adding so much shi(normally out of this world type of shit) in a short amount of time
This is such a small brained comment, that’s like stating “Get a job bro, riding a bike ain’t gonna work.” Get off of this video because you clearly don’t understand anything more complex than 1 + 1
I agree with some of them, disagree with some of them. Even though I think that s2 was rushed, I don't think it's "incredibly bad". That's just exaggerating. Maybe overrated is the word but not incredibly bad. I'll count some of the points I disagree. 2) They are fighting each other to take over the leadership. 4) Same happens in our own universes, too. Zaun was being oppressed by Piltover for years. Jinx sparked the flame of riot, which then led to the raid in the memorial. About Ekko not being the idol, well we don't know if his community is widely known. Silco was ruling the lanes. Ekko was just finding people who need help and give them a home. But they are not crowded. Also Ekko wears mask which implies that probably no one other than firelighters know the leader of Firelighters. 7) As you said, there is a time skip after episode 3. We don't know what happened in this skip. Do you know how Powder eventually turned into a Jinx? No, because there is a time skip after episode 3 of season 1. 9) Singed can't control him. Even Warwick can't control himself, too. Warwick is just going after blood. Singed probably didn't want to test his creature in the middle of Piltover, and also not in a desolate place because he would kill him. The prison full of enforcers is a good place to test him. 12) Vİ probably didn't even know he survived the explosion in the bridge. 13) They don't want to stop Ambessa. They are after a newborn Ambessa gave birth to with a magician(?) (If I don't misremember). They at first thought it was Kino, and then investigated Mel. It's just a setup for upcoming show but yeah I partially agree that either it should have more screen time or on the contrary, Mel should have learned she was a mage in a different way and Black Rose shouldn't be in this plot. 15) I didn't even understand your point here? Vi and Powder's mom, Silco and Vander were close friends. After their mom died, Vander took care of them. If you are talking about their biological father not being mentioned, I get it. But wtf does it have to do with Vander? 16) I agree with it and hate the fact that she was nothing but a tool for Jinx to heal. She could have got a lot more character development. 17) I don't think you can talk deeply about this. Are you a psychologist, or have you ever been through these kinds of trauma? I suppose not. You don't know about psychology, about how a mentally unstable people can heal. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it can't come true. 18) "There is always a deal to be struck." "You forget Smeech? You already made your last offer." 20) Communicate as if they've seen each other multiple time since then? Wtf? It literally doesn't give the vibe that they've seen or talked to each other after the fight. Vi literally tried to choke her without letting her say a single word. Hadn't Jinx tell her that Vander was alive, she could have killed her. And no, she didn't instantly believe "We both know this is bullshit". But she wanted to believe. Because she acts mostly with her emotions rather than her logic. That's who she is. I'll bring up this in the point 27. And also, even though they tried to kill each other. It was never what they wanted. They still love each other. For example when Isha put herself on the crossfire to save Jinx, Vi could have just pull Isha off of Jinx and let Caitlyn take the shot. But she hesitated and didn't want this, which implies that as I said, she acts mostly with her emotions. 20.1) Yeah, it's hard to believe Silco would forgive Vander with a letter. But remember s1 e3. He didn't hate Vander when he tried to kill him. He hated him when he made deal with Piltover, making him feel betrayed. Also even though they have different philosophies, Silco started understanding Vander why he made deals with Piltover after being wanted to give away Jinx for the nation of Zaun, everything to which he dedicated his whole life, even though it's too late now. He understood that it's not about being afraid of fighting back, it's about losing loved ones. "No one wins in a war". 21) Same as 17. She is a child with trauma, cared and saved multiple times by Jinx. You don't know anything about the psychology of this type of a child. Also about warwick being fast to kill Jinx but being slow in Isha's sacrifice, this is an animation movie, you just overreact. Not everything needs to make super sense. 22) You just jumped from the beginning of the episode to the end of it. There is a part where Ekko draws Vi to the tree as an apology to Powder and then they talk to each other off screen. Powder doesn't kiss him after she thinks he has forgetten everything. Also, that's a screwdriver, not a knife. 25) Vi didn't know she was gonna kill herself. "I really thought she would help". She thought her sister betrayed her again. 26) Watch again. There were 3 arms going down for Jinx, Vi and Ekko. Jinx dodges one of them and the arm that goes for Ekko goes for Jinx. The dodged arm disappears. 27) Yes. She is stupid in my opinion, too. But can you call it a bad writing? Do you think every goddamn person in this universe is a fucking genious or something. Stupid people exist, too.
Also more about 17) She sat on the Jinx chair. But that's not what she embraced with full willings. Do you know that there was a deleted scene that explains Ekko trying to save Powder from Silco and Powder rejected him, said I don't wanna be saved. Well, what's the first thing she's done after learning that Vi was alive? She summoned her, cried, hugged her. All she wanted was getting her sister back. Also fyi, she doesn't know shit about Caitlyn. She doesn't know Caitlyn released Vi from prison, saved her life, got her medicine, with Vi, convinced council to make peace. She doesn't know what kind of person Caitlyn is. And Vi used to hate enforcers just as much as she does. So vi not being able to kill Cait made her think that Vi chose Caitlyn over her which implies that Piltover has taken her sister away from her, too. Also she killed Silco to save Vi, too. She tells Vi that "I thought you could love me like you used to". She was just overwhelmed by all those emotions and acted without a proper thinking ability considering the fact that she was mentally unstable because of all those extremely tough traumas she's been through. How can you think properly in this specific case? She is a type of person that's just way too broken, but could be saved.
My previous comment got deleted again for some reason so I'll rewrite it again. (Fourth time already gee) In general I agree with your criticism and feel like you made a lot of valid points! However want to leave my comment on your Point 2 on Zaun barons They are indeed smart and experienced. However I believe they won't be joining arms against Piltover at first. The reason why? They're businessmen. And going against Piltover or probably starting prolonged war would mean no gain for them, only losses. Whether it would be closed trade routes or enforcers coming down to the Under-city to bring order to the chaos. So I believe instead at first they'd try to negotiate and come in terms with the Piltover council. Next they'll most likely unite in capturing Jinx, or start a race to capture her first for some gains in relationships with the pilties. Basically they'd do anything to get Piltover off of their tail. However if the council would want them gone/imprisoned for some reason, then that'll be the reason for them to take hostile actions against Piltover as a matter of defending themselves. Upd: I can't believe it, it's actually there! Finally it's got through lol
In the pursuit of great (character arc and moving vibe ),they failed to do good( logic in plot ) Sometimes, taking a leap forward means leaving a few things behind 一Viktor
So S2 is bad, because there's Loris, who you don't really get to know, but S1 is a masterpiece, because there's Huck who you don't really get to know? What?
you know whats funny they will release another good show yall will eat it up they will now release a bad second season yall will complain again the cycle will keep repeating cause people overhype shows rather than give solid critiques that force them to do better the more praise given the less they feel the need to try harder
There are more subtext and visual clues that are more subtle then in seson 1 but for most questions i know the answer from watching it carfully Also i think the speed is justified as this is at a time of war where everything happens fast People die and theres no time to look for them People change and you talk as if what they went through didn't do that to them There are some inconveniences yes but i think your just grasping at straws And episode 7 powder implied that echo had acted like this previously "madness and genius " the line where she uses that when they see each other Remember poweder has jinx in her she just got the help she needed but the trauma and everything before the help is still the same Shes a mad genius who learnd to focus on the positive side And echo doesspeak about his past self not in a im from another universe way couse why would he Hes been hinting at it from the first moment and powder has been observing him And himingdinger is a mad genius that lived for longer then the entire city lives He didn't work on hex tech bc thats what coused l the evil He worked on bettering the city from the undercity in the time he spent away from cuncil since he knows the problems and what they lead to Hes a flawd eternal being who was shown that right now he has only a few years to fix an issue He does calculate in seconds He does work on building stuff and improving faster Isha shes powder raised by jinx She has worked in the same mines as jinxes parents and she is deaf She doesn't know half the things jinx tells her couse she looks away and her view of jinx is a hero She was never shown by jinx to stay safe While powder has always been told and shows to be safe Isha is sopost to be flawd and jinx is having no mental brake downs becouse she has literally blown them up last seson Last seson she got her catharsis And now she just lives Shes still crazy but she doesn't have the same visions bc she no longer has that conflict that fueld them Isha doesn't trigger it bc shes her Not milo.not vi isha is poweder and jinx feels like its a redo of her childhood Isha would follow jinx she would observe her and she would idealise her couse shes strong to do what she never could Jinx just let her in after she shown that she cares for jinx Finally someone who would frow their life away for me even if i dont want to All in all yes there are some issues There should be more said and shown There should be more episodes But its not disgusting or rushed It does have a lot of answers hidden on the screen and there are more things kept hidden that maybe shouldn't Anyway that's mu opinion on why your wrong on few of the points you made Your free to your opinion and since i know it snd feel differently i though id share an alternative Have a good day
Also point 4 people of Zain are stupid they didn’t know that jinx caused it, (unless they seemed the bomb) and probably thought that attacking topsiders were a good idea but still I think your point makes sense
My problem is why doesn’t Zaun make Silco as a matyr as they don’t know how he died why don’t they rely over his death as he died after his fights to piltover
HI! I do not agree with everything you said, some things you just assume too much, I think. For example, Ekko not telling AU Powder anything is fine, it is bad morally, but he needs her help and he wants to just get back. Him kissing her is bad morally, but works fine. I mean, she's cute tho, isn't she? Her first conclusion about him acting strange shouldn't also be very radical. Maybe he's overworked, stressed, or just has a breakdown. Some more points that I have. We clearly see AU Powder has blue rough hextech ore in her drawer after Ekko goes back to main timeline. This means that they did walk away with stolen goods, and we have no idea how the events unfolded that the result is so peaceful. It's not just Zaun, they have people from both sides having fun on the bridge, that is always empty in orig. timeline. I personally like the episode (expect for Heimer) and Ekko/Powder kiss, despite him knowing it's probably bad, but there is no clear reason as to why AU is so nice, except for two ideas. 1) Vi and Jayce are the main problem-makers of the timeline, and their removal makes peace possible. This turns those two into the actual "Jinx" making it bad for everyone in the orig. timeline. Pretty sure it was not the idea, but sure seems so. My understanding is that Vi dies, but others still get away(I don't see how else Powder still has hextech balls in her drawer), and everything should play out mostly the same as season 1. Notable exceptions are: -Jayce is imprisoned/banished/Viktor doesn't stop him from jumping down, hence no hextech creation. -There is no Vi to try and save Vander from Silco, so they actually somehow make up instead of fighting in the factory? Seems streched, but it is the only logical way for this to unfold. 2) And I think this is the angle the writers wanted. Hextech is inherently flawed/bad in itself, basically what Heimer was saying in season 1. Hextech timeline = fucked, no hextech timeline = paradise. Still don't see which events led to that happy state, but pretty sure this is the idea. Also, AU Powder is left with all that research, orig. Ekko left, her Ekko has no idea, but will be curious to try it, and Heimer is gone to warn/stop them, so good luck AU. There is almost 0 possibility that AU Powder will not create Hextech. Oh, and AU should definitely be much less peaceful, because shimmer was already made, and it was the whole opposition of technology hextech was weaponized to oppose shimmer, because it was hard to deal with otherwise, and without hextech, Piltover should be at a disadvantage. I guess we can assume Vander and Silco made up and Silco saw the errors of his ways, but it is just lazy. I don't think this was all that thought out by the writers, they just thought something like "Oh, you know what would be cool? If Ekko got into alternative timelime with good Jinx, and danced and they kissed. And everyone is alive and fine (mostly). That would be very emotional." One of the writers said, that they were inspired my MCU about multiverse and timelines. Makes sense :) And by the way, show could do without any timeline shenanigans at all. There is no hint at that in season 1 and that is just fine. Jayce could have had a vision about future where Viktor won and evolved the whole world, hooded figure could still be Ryze, and not Viktor, ending with Viktor and Jayce would not change, Viktor would just see future that Jayce saw. Ekko and Heimer AU could be just cut out, and we could have time for something more meaningful with them. I like AU episode overall, but that writing is just plain bad imo.
I don't think you were actually watching the show. Not saying that there is a right and wrong way to; just think of a book. You can read it, but can you understand it? I won't be writting about your points to avoid writting a too long of a comment. Though, if you ask, I'll probably respond. You made points that made sence, for example, the black rose ones, however the majority seems to be rooted in deep misunderstanding.
"You're wrong, but I won't write a comment about how you're wrong because it's too long, because you don't understand the story" Do you understand ancient Greek literature or is the pfp a larp?
@blacktigerpaw1 Don't take my words out of context. The reason I didn't explain my thoughts is because I, like I said, I would do an essay. I don't want to spend time doing that if he won't read it anyways. That's why I said to ask if he wants to know. Not because I think he didn't understand the show.
This has to be rage bait maybe half of these points are valid but with a very breif look over the show so many can be debunked so obsessed with calling the characters and writing stupid the hypocrisy
In my opinion, season 2 was much better than season 1. It hit on a lot of compelling emotional notes that struck hard for me, especially with Jinx's long and difficult struggle through anger, which morphed into depression, and finally into forgiving both those who hurt her and herself. Also, Viktor's position as a Zaunite who rose to the higher end of Piltover made his story very logical, with him always feeling that he must leave a legacy and be extraordinary or fall as a failure (which came from his background in the undercity), while still truly wanting to do good for the world. His methods were clouded by his past as a lonely, weak (as he always saw himself, at least), yet brilliant mind, but his intentions were almost completely to improve the lives of the land he loved. Jayce helped him to see that those methods were flawed, and that his quest for perfection would ultimately harm the cause he wanted to support, leading Viktor to the incredible line on perfection: "there is no prize to perfection, only an end to pursuit." Overall, this season was consistently the best part of any show (or movie) I have ever seen, and though it had a few minor issues related to pacing, nothing can take away from the brilliance present in each episode, especially in 6-9.
@samueluddin9931 because it misses the whole point about breaking the cycle of what she's been doing and choosing for herself and what makes her happy. What makes it even more wrong is that he then references that very point in point 27. Can't have it both ways.
I understand the sentiment that S2 has problems (I agree with your points on NPC Enforcers and CaitVi's steamy scene) but I have thoughts, specifically about your takes on episode 7:
1. AU Powder and everyone else wouldn't just immediately cast away Ekko because he's acting weird or blurting out inconsiderate things, even if it is strange. If my BFF pulls out a screwdriver and starts attacking me, I would be suspicious, but my first instinct isn't. "What alien has just possessed my best friend?"
2. Everything in Arcane is connected: With Vi dead, the kids never walked away with any stolen goods because they got caught, and Enforcers never chased them down. Vander was never kidnapped by Silco in the midst of getting arrested for them, the family never exploded, Vander saw the letter apologizing to Silco (which would have a big impact since Silco truly miss Vander as shown by his S1 ep3 monologue) and was never overthrown, with Vander and Silco's teamwork they could negotiate unity with Piltover, etc.
3. Ekko cannot tell Powder the truth to avoid ruining her life. Yes, it's dishonest to hide the truth, but how would Powder react to the news that she became a homicidal terrorist and is capable of murdering her entire family? Best case scenario: Powder cuts Ekko off, he can't use her lab or genius to return to his universe, and he's stuck there forever. Worst case scenario: Powder goes insane from guilt, she becomes Jinx, and Ekko just caused the destruction of this AU Piltover.
4. Whether Powder knows this is not her Ekko is left up to interpetation. Either way, the kiss is a selfish action, but can you blame him? Ekko has been in live with Powder since they were kids, and he has onky one opportunity to relish the life he could have had with her. If he didn't kiss her, it would have aroused suspicion since they are dating.
You are entitled to your thoughts, but maybe watch some videos praising episode 7's plot (from people who also dislike S2 as a whole) and rewatch the episode to see how you feel.
Thank you I’m glad that not everyone wants to constantly shit on season 2
Well said
I agree with your statement. Everything in season 2 is connected and the details are there
@samueluddin9931 Wdym shit on? I only see brainless praises
Nah, bro just upset that Jinx is a BLM supporter 😂
He told on himself with his ep7 take & his thumbnail.
2 is confusing, it should have been a 3 season show
season 2 has its moments and emotional beats, but it will not age like the classic that is season 1. if the first season is ATLA, season 2 is legend of korra.
Wrong comparison both ATLA and Korra are better than arcane
Don't you get it people love arcane season 2, apparently rated higher than the first, while TLOK is actually hated, so I don't see the similarities
@@LoneWolf-el5oyKorra is NOT better than Arcane wtffffffff😭😭😭😭😭
@@LoneWolf-el5oy I guess I haven't seen a lot of the hate for TLOK, but I didn't think it was that bad.
I can't back this comparison. For the cracks I see in S2 of Arcane S2 Korra will forever be worse. Like by a mile. Any other season of Korra would be a better comparison great concepts with cracks in execution.
@JayDPhantomReaper nope there's nothing worse than the black Rose plot, despite all the criticism of TLOK, they atleast didn't pull crap of their a$$, everything was setup from previous episodes.
TLOK season 2 is far more cohesive than arcane season 2, and it's not even close.
Even if TLOK season 2 is bad, that's still 1/4th of the entire show, that's significantly better compared to 1/2 for arcane, So mathematically your point doesn't stand.
There's nothing cohesive about this season of arcane, deal with it.
You know what troubles me, though? The fact that so many people seem to agree that season two is a masterpiece, or at least a flawed one. The fact that so many people "fell" for all the cheap and lazy emotional manipulation in the story (like Isha's "character").
People rated S2 way higher than S1. They actually love it.
I've been into writing MY WHOLE life. Seeing things like Arcane S2 work with audiences worries me because it makes me think that perhaps this is what the future looks like. Maybe this is what people want and what they really resonate with.
Is it lazy in our eyes (as storytellers)? Absolutely.
Does that really matter if audiences seem to praise it anyway?
Years ago I would've said "of course it matters, quality and complexity will always be relevant". Nowadays I don't really know.
it's copium. you have to take into account that a lot of fans are young with some sort of parasocial attachment to the franchise so they " have to " love it whatever comes out
people just tend to not question things too much. They expected peak, they wanted peak so this is what they made of it. Doesn't work with first seasons though.
My two cents are that the money bugs at riot treated s2 vastly different than s1. S1 was an ambitious project driven by christian Linke who is actually a music composer, so his the people deciding on budget weren't expecting that much when he proposed to direct a tv series. But they financed drafts and they looked good so they kept on gradually financing it.
I don't have any knowledge on the process of s2's funding, but I see that it's basically mostly promoting material or fanservice for league and I see that they heavily conjoin s2 and soundtracks and such with the marketing of the lol world championship. So I guess after they realized how much success it had they wanted to have a little more say in what's the content and how to incorporate it into their other business strategies.
Considering what a godlike masterpiece the first season is I heavily doubt that the creators would come up with this writing if given free autonomy. But it may also be possible that they were unexperienced at making shows and after an initial (and maybe partially lucky) succes they overexerted themselves. In the pursuit of great they failed to do good or some such.
Even if the story is bad , the animation and music quality made us unable to see the plot holes
Plus every scene was animated very well with the same style of season one
And also a lot of people forgot what the whole story of season one was about
@@i.shuuya3231 I think you're right about the future of writing. Between AI and the decline of creativity, writing a decent story is going to be praised instead of it being the standard. Media has just become too saturated that the standouts are very few and far between. Its sad, but it is what it is. The bar creeps ever lower.
To be fair to Arcane season 2, the first season set an incredibly high bar. Zero expectations going in, huge expectations coming out. I personally enjoyed Arcane season 2 for what it was: incredible animation, some great original music, and seeing characters I've known for years brought to life. I have growing qualms with the writing, but we got what we got.
@@solarydays Definitively some copium going on. Took me days after binge watching S2 to realise I didn't like it at all. I was too invested in the story and characters built up in S1 to be able to admit that those stories and characters will never get an proper ending.
If Arcane season 1 is a conversation with an intellectual philosopher, season 2 is a conversation with a parrot that was present in the former conversation.
Same could be said of so much produced these days. Starts strong, collapses into poor imitation. Star Wars, Alien, Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, Rings of Power etc etc...
Rings of Power was a poor imitation to begin with, it all went south the minute they fired the Tolkien scholar who was to keep production on track
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THANK YOU BRO. it's shocking how many people treat that letter thing so seriously. Like really? Even political views aside. Vander almost brutally murder silco and changed him forever. And sorry letter should solve everything. Right.
I mean, it starts with sorry. Up to Silco to choose if he accepts or not.
@WickedHumor it's ridiculous to believe that one letter should be enough for that.
yeah this. they're really treating the audience for fools if we're supposed to believe the characters we knew in season 1 would just put aside their deep seated differences and fundamentally different worldviews aside because of a letter. the way silco shows up in the alternate utopia like "hey there" is an insult to everyone's intelligence
@@WickedHumor He literally apologized to Silco when he was caught and didn't want to fight him at first
this only angered Silco more because he saw him as weak, literally saying that he is willing to die for a cause but not fight for one
@@mishan3168 It's implied the letter is an invitation to try and make amends. Of course Silco isn't going to read a short letter and go skipping back to The Last Drop to grab a drink together. There's some conversation implied.
I HATE the fact jinx turns good. I was excited to psycho jinx like it is shown in the game (not played it), now it DOESN’T make ANY SENSE. Her character arc ruined and she survives yet still good. But leads onto games she meant to be psycho
THE FRICKEN REUNION ARC VI AND JINX I DETESTED why for once we accept sibling’s and family can be separated and go on with their lives, people change we need to let go. Vi was so ANNOYING in this season not learning. I want separation representation!
Arcane isn’t canon to League
At least her turn to good was more developed than cait's 💀💀
@@AkenoTomoeLOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO MY MACHINE HERLAD THOSE BARSTARDS AAAAAAA (arcane herald my ass I would rather kms)
Bruh that was always going to happen, it’s called a character arc and if you start off unstable and evil there’s only one way to take an arc without her being a totally boring, stagnant character.
Just seem like there was a way bigger threat to all life .... and there's the dad too. Didn't seem like she was a total good guy.
The writers were snorting shimmer while writing this story 🤣
Literally, they based it on Marvel
Snorting shimmer and chewing on blisters it is
@@Kantorek17 Man I want the drugs they had
Don't know if my opinion is welcome here 😅 because I am seeing many people in the comment section hating season 2. And before I voice my opinion, just wanted to say I agree with many things you have said in this video and you have described the problems very well as well as why another season would have been good for further developing arcs and characters. But like I said "many" things not everything and to be honest I love this show the first and the second season with my whole heart (probably my favourite show) and maybe I love it as much as I do because I am as most people would say "coping", BUT and that's a huge but I dont think that is the case. Afer watching season 2 (and rewatching it) and several analysis on season 2 and it's arcs (especially from the creator schnee) I realized the "deeper" writing (in the sense of the themes and connections between the arcs of the different characters as well as the connection of themes seen somewhere else in the context of other characters and how it results in the evolution of the characters) is still at worst amazing and at best as good as or better than season 1 (debattable). In the end it all comes down to personal prefrence, are there things, that could have been done/handled better (objectivley seen)? : Yes and I think so too. But even though so many corners were cut, I belive (almost) all decision made by characters make sense (especially when you analyze the arcs and decisions and in which context they are made), even though they could've been fleshed out better. That's why I come to the conclusion of Arcane (as a whole and not just season 1) being a masterpiece, despite it's flaws (I know it sounds contradictory, but to me it makes sense). Hope you can respect my opinion, peace✌️.
Yes. The Subtext is what makes S2 another masterpiece. I think people don't see it that way because it's a different kind of masterpiece, the story is communicated in a different way. But I think all the tiny details and the subtext tell way more than the surface level story.
To be honest, I was scared after hearing it was gonna come out only four years after the last season. I feel like that's only enough time to produce the animation alone.
Four years to write and we got (the writers admitted it) a Marvel plot.
This video needs more views. I was severely let down by the quality of writing this season, Arcane fell tf off.
I think it's implied that Powder figured out that Ekko was from an alternate timeline. It's why she kept looking at him like that and why she understood when it seemed like he didn't want to kiss her.
Your other points are good though this season sucks. I'm just Ekko's #1 defender he's never done anything wrong in his life.
Don't blame Vi for point 12. I have not noticed anyone knowing Ekko even survived the bridge fight. He does not seem to have reached out to let her know he didn't actually die
bro his people thought he died
He came back with Heimer to the tree and to his people, and they lived there for a few months until they went to investigate hextech anomaly effect on the tree.
Very unfortunate, it could have been a true masterpiece. They had an incredible base to off of, Only thing holding it together is the incredible animation but that's not enough unfortunately.
Waiting for you to zoom in on loris in the first 10 seconds of the video and saying “arcane season 2, well uh… who the hell is this guy” cause that’s my reaction to most of the added characters that add nothing to the story
Jinx is the only one who ever took a shot at their oppressors and not just got a hit in but absolutely devastated them. Off course she's idolised. Come on dude. Now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining.
I mean yeah, look at our boy Luigi in the real world and tell me it doesn't make sense, lol.
Great video, arcane season 2 was atrocious. When just re watching it so many things are skipped over and make no sense. It was way overhyped
I agree completely
To be fair, season 1 had super low expectations. Like basically zero. If you know about League of Legends you understand. People fully expected the show to be an extended "music video" quality fight porn. Really up until the first actual trailer, people were NOT optimistic, and even then they held their breath.
It took everyone by surprise with how well it was done. It was lots of shock factor backed up by a well executed production. Season 2 could never have re-captured that no matter how good it was. Even if it was better, which would be near impossible, people would still rate it lower. The novelty is gone and will remain so.
I personally enjoyed it for what it was, despite having growing qualms about story, plot, and character development. I wish whatever internal issues they had due to Covid/corporate pressures/time constraints would have had more time to be ironed out, but here we are.
However, I still have hope we get to see some cool locations and characters in future shows. I just hope they revitalize the writing team. Everything else about the show was stellar.
Dragon ball Z pfp. Opinion rejected. You and the video poster are a unaware it's criminal.
@@raldrid8264 they get a lot of stuff wrong, or just interpret it differently than I did(which doesn't necessarily make me right, btw), but there are some issues that don't quite add up or can't be justified. I'm still personally happy with it and thoroughly enjoyed, but I can understand dissenters.
All the Points about everyone hating jinx for Killing silco donz make sence. Everyone in Zaun hated silco, jinx Killing him makes her even more of a Hero to them
There are facts in this video, although much is very picky and sloppy. And yes, it was rushed. Some characters are bland, some plotholes. But what and why characters do, their behaviour and their thoughts is something for the audience to interpret. For example Loris is a bland charcter, but he serves a purpose and fills that empty father figure role for Vi(similarities with Vander). This reflects on what Vi has lost, what she mourns and is in need of affection. Same goes for Maddie and Isha. Many characters are fillers building on the main cast, not everything has to be explaind, not everything has to be shown, although it would be appreciated. But as it is today; many movies/series are rushed with plotholes and bland charcters, but I enjoyed Arcane one and two. After all, movies have the purpose of portraying different messages and themes in certain way; gives new perspective. Imo Arcane succeeded in that way.
Every point is spot on.
The most annoying part though - is just how basic and expected all of these questions are. And probably a half of these could've been resolved by adding a short scene, or even just a few sentences here and there.
i'm seeing more and more videos that share my problems with season 2, and even highlight new ones i had never noticed before.
Im glad people see it for what it is
as i said in another video, people are interested in what stimulates their emotions even if it's at the cost of a little logic, it doesn't matter if the work is perfect and symmetrical, if it doesn't bring any emotion, apart from you and your neighbor, no one will watch it, their goal was to reach as many people as possible, on the other hand , many scenes have been cut, which is why the criticism that the season is rushed is totally valid, on the other hand, that you don't care about isha is personal, that you didn't like ep 7 is personal, that you don't understand why ekko and jayce, who were in contact with the arcane, weren't affected is ignorance, etc...
This video was perfect! It put into words all the emotional problems I had with season 2
Thank you! I appreciate this!
To be fair to point 15 I don't think it's a retcon. They simply show that Vander and Silco were friends of their parents, not that Vander was always their father figure. They still had their real dad who (presumably) died alongside their mom
Yeah, the dude completely missed the point. Vander was Vi's and Powder's godfather so he started off as their uncle and took them in after their parents died and at some point he started considering them his own which makes sense because these were his memories. And I doubt Jinx even remembers her biological parents, she was like 4? 5? And I wouldn't be suprised if Vi also started considering Vander her father at some point even though she never called him that way before the timeskip (I have a friend who met her stepfather in the age of 9 and she calls him by his name even though she considers him her actual father due to the time spent together so- kinda real life Vi and Vander's situation).
It's more odd that Silco who was also friends with Vi's and Powder's parents (and the girls' godfather as well) wanted to kill them but I guess he was too much of a psychopath at that point (and maybe he also saw Powder's mother in Jinx and it finally hit him like a flash - she is Felicia's daughter, that is up to interpretation basically).
I'm reading a lot of comments about the "unbelievability" of some of the character arcs, mainly based on observations of changes in character direction / motivation (i.e. Jinx not being "psychotic enough" and the like). I think perhaps the core theme (and there are lots of themes layered on top of this) is the breaking of patterns/cycles. Some of those are expressed through the pattern/cycle of xenophobia (the general tension between Piltover and the Underground); the pattern of trauma & family loss (Vi & Jinx continually being haunted by the death and return of a father like Vander); the limited thinking of 'Good vs Evil' in a landscape that continually changes the definition of what is Good & Evil (think about Viktor's conversations with his former mentor, the Doctor). I can list more - Life/Death; Sibling Rivalry; Political Power; Science vs Magic; but the whole story structure was based around the idea of "doing it over" -- Ekko's literal invention (and Deus Ex Machina story mechanism) is the ability to "do-over" the last ~4 seconds. His character has a literal expression of even how the story is written (you often see something happen in one episode and then jump back four episodes later to see what actually happened), not unlike Ekko pulling the cord on the device.
I think this season will age into critical masterpiece later. Is it perfect? No, and I think a lot of the points that feel a little weaker are veiled mandates from corporate to ensure "connectivity" between the show and any kind of future merchandising they'd like to do with the game, so that much can only be helped so much by the writing (and frankly, I thought they folded it in quite elegantly, all things considered).
Yes, thank u, somebody with critical thinking skills😂. Love your take, dear❤.
I couldn't have put it better myself. This video kinda hit me in a weird spot because I feel like there are just plot points that the creator didn't like and labeled as lazy writing which feels a bit strange. Like I think points 2 and 3 kinda answer each other, the people of Zaun idolized Jinx not the chem-barons, the drug lords only care about moving up on the totem pole now that there is a power vacuum as shown by the subplot with Finn in season 1. Jinx is idolized because she took a shot at topside which is what a lot of the undercity wanted from both Vander and Silco but neither ever did because they both understood it would just cause more violence then solve and SUPRISE the result of Jinx taking the shot is more violence. On the other hand some points are super valid like the whole thing about characters going missing for months and nobody questioning it, like Caitlyn not wondering what happened to Jayce is strange to me with how much they built that dynamic in season 1 as well as Jayce killing Salo. Like wouldn't Viktor know that and know to not let jayce in? Am I missing something here?
At the end of the day my only problem (Arcane was also super overhyped online but that is a story for another day) with Arcane is I wish there was more of it and the core essence of all the criticism I have seen so far always comes back to wanting more too!
@@destinimitchell268 On god
[● I think a reason that season 2 turned out less than great is because it wasn't supposed to be just 2 seasons. Originally there were more seasons planned, and several plot points and characters that got introduced were meant to have more elaboration and time to shine, but Arcane got cancelled, leaving all their ideas ultimately unfinished, making it seem lacking and poorly put together, when in reality, the real villain of the story is capitalism. Again. If the show was allowed to have more time, then it would have been a better product overall, but Netflix decided to axe it, meaning the writers had to scramble to introduce all the plots and characters they wanted to introduce in only one season. Not only that, but now they had to also wrap up all of those plots and characters before the show ended, because then we're left with a lot more loose ends. With that said, it's a lose-lose situation, because they still couldn't elaborate or wrap up everything properly, so season 2 was doomed the minute that the show got cancelled.]
How about not introducing some of the plots, and focusing on wrapping up the story season 1 told then?
I just know Loris and Steb are the inforcers' names, because they're troops in the tft mode, I just kept joking around with my friends that play tft saying things like "you remember when Steb said "we're legends, a league of legends" and he started stebbing all the robots" while in call with our other friends that don't play tft but whatched the show, just to mess with them
Wait what? They basically took these characters in from Team Fight Tactics?
I have never played it, so I'm not really familiar. If it is so it's nuts 💀
@Kantorek17 no, they are in TFT beacuse they appear in arcane not the other way around, there's also some of the show's chem barons there (Smeech and Renni)
There's also Sevika and Silco, but I mention Smeech and Renni cause people are WAY less likely to know who tf they even are
@@MaelCott1
Oh, I see now, misunderstood your original message. Thank you for explaining! ✨💙💖🙌
i loved the moment when Loris sayd “maybe Arcane is the friends we have made along the way” while holding Steb’s hands
The reason Ekko wasn’t touched by the light thing is because he was already transformed by the weird ball thing. He was sent to another universe and was transformed by it. That is why both Ekko and Jayce weren’t connected to the lights
What...?
Jinx took the "light thing"-as you call it-meant for Ekko, having dodged the one meant for herself.
Good video my dude, very efficiently laid out and digestible with well-structured arguments. What's truly hilarious is that you've barely even scratched the surface of all the problems with this season of the show. Every time I go back and watch it I find more and more issues with the plot, the character writing, the pacing, even the theming. It's the complete opposite of how it was with season one.
It makes me sad man, I did enjoy s2, but compared to s1..bruh. I remember reading about Arcane's creators saying they didn't plan s2 once they finished s1 and they admitted it was a mistake, then s2 came out rushed. I feel like s2 plots were fine but some stuff lacked explanation or needed more time or development, some of my opinions:
1- the black rose was out of nowhere and Mel's witch arc was too.
2- I wanted to see more of Viktor's cult,maybe to empathize with it more and make us think "hey! It's a good thing" but it only lasted 1 episode
3- Jayce's arc also needed more time, why did he kill Viktor? Why didn't he try for a friendly approach for his partner? Or why didn't future Viktor sent him way back in time to fix stuff before Viktor was consumed by the hex?
4- I don't understand their decission to change the game lore, they could've kept it or make this a kind of "alternate universe/timeline", instead they changed stuff and the game's lore to be more similar to Arcane
Heimerdinger and Vi become a character assassination masterclass 🤩🤩
The string of light that was supposed to be for Elmo, attached itself to jinx since she dodged her own one and then Warwick literally man handled her into another one(meant for Ekko)
Even in those couple of sneaks peaks they released, something was off. Heimerdinger "sneaking" into his own lab wasn't funny. That "Twice. Once when I met him, then, when I killed him" line sounded to edgy.
And I really love that you pointed out that Isha's death shouldn't have been a bittersweet heroic moment! Children sacrificing themselves shouldn't be a good thing! Every critic sees different flaws, and you're all helping me grieve what s2 could've been 😂
Isha's death made Jinx spiral, made her give up on herself, mad her suicidal. She nearly killed herself, even functionally succeeded, and was only stopped because of Ekko.
Isha's death was not a good thing.
i was almost disappointed to know that arcane season 2 was released this year. season 1 took 9 years to make while season 2 took only 3. i already knew it's going to feel rushed and like a cash grab. full of easter eggs and less of a story that made sense(jinx suddenly becoming an idol was so jarring to me)
i think that more has to do with the animation, a lot of that time would have been creating the models and engine etc which would have been reused for season 2. they also hired more animators i believe so that would have shortened the time needed for season 2. i think the rushed feeling probably had more to do with the amount of episodes they had to finish the story rather than the actual amount of time they had to work on it.
@@lauralaura4362 yea you right
i actually was so happy when isha died, i even thought “nah, couldn’t be, they revive literally everyone in this series so death feels like nothing”. i mean they can’t even let jinx die in the end for me to like / respect her (a terrorist and serial killer) at least a little bit more. nah, let’s just say she escaped cause twitter will enrage otherwise 😏
Literally I didn’t gaf about isha
Why tf do ppl always have to get info for background characters?? I waited for all of season 2 to be out and just recently binge watched all of it, and I don't recall being bothered about those guys just being there and then not... Why can't there be background characters who just are there and do get a bit more screen time? I certainly did not get curious about their "story". And those characters being there certainly did not break my immersion into the binge. Mby ppl just had too much space between the episodes and got restless and started getting curious about useless things.
As somebody who didn't catch the hype and skipped watching season 1, it's hard for me to separate the 2 seasons at all. Since I watched the entire run in one go, i seem to have missed a lot of complaints people are having. In my head, Arcane S1+2 feel like one continued season. I even got two episodes into season 2 without realizing it even ended. I only bring this up because these issues only seem obvious to those who expected them. Granted the majority of people watched Arcane with a few years separating the seasons. It's mostly those who watched all of Arcane in one span that don't see these issues
cause thats how the writters wrote the the seasons if this makes sense. Like, they wrote both seasons at the same time. s2 is a direct continuation of s1
My main issue is how everything ramped up so quickly. From the tension of war between Zaun and Piltover breaking out to, well Viktor becoming basically some kind of god and turning everyone into mindless mechanical creatures. It felt like Season 2 relied too much on LoL lore, making it a lot more isolated for the people who'd watched Season 1 without any knowledge of the outside LoL lore.
Season 2 felt a lot like the second season of another very promising show, The Promised Neverland. Which had a great first season, then tried to conclude the ENTIRE series in a second season?? These projects take so much time and money to make, but why is something like this being rushed out? Season 2 of Arcane didn't even feel complete by the end of it, everything had been left up to interpretation without any conclusion that felt satisfying. Mostly everyone is dead, Jinx is now dead, at least Vi got to be with Caitlyn, Jayce and Viktor are gone, Vander got brought back as Warick, developed and then killed off again for an emotional gut punch, Isha, loris and the other enforces never got any other development and were just killed off for shock value. People try and argue its this eyeopening look of how war isn't pretty or heroic but it's still just, feels like rushed and lazy writing.
Honestly, the show should have taken more time to focus on its two central characters instead of trying to expand into this confusing multiverse level cinematic universe. It felt so unsatisfying..
This show since the first episodes of season one make no sense from a socio-political point of view.
Slico is the rebel that stay true to the cause and get almost murdered by the traitors friend sold out to the oppressor and yet he become the criminal that's the only one to exploit Zaun. Not to mention that hey give up because some friend die... as if you start a revolution not knowing it will happen.
Piltover have no advantage in keeping Zaun under their flag since not one noble is shown to have some way to exploit the lower city. This are just to disconnected reality that randomly have a huge social disparity with for no reason.
Season one end with the council voting for the independence of Zaun, becaus rich people at power is kind and moved by the greater good... But they are forced to act with violence because a lunatic girl blast their palace in the exact same moment for no reason... and this turn her in a rebel icon... because you know rebels are mad troublemakers with no cause or criminals or both.
This is pop corporate gaslighting with a look cannibalized from dystopian narrative and punk counter culture...
Season one was a bit less rushed so at least the emotional impact was high and the mind conditioning could be accepted with more ease without noticing it so hard.
tbf LoL lore has always been like that. Is pointless and devoid of any critical aspect. Just an emotional package to attach to the character. I wasn't expecting anything more and they just confirmed it.
Technically a cool display of animation and design... nothing that let you wander "how the hell they did that? " anyway as a 3D artist. Is more like... "damn they know how to use their tool at a master level"
i thought everything was too rushed but still glorious cinema or something
1- I like to think these characters that one trope (forgot the name) where the writer will have a random, nameless "NPC" character get some screentime to show the plot through the eyes of the NPCs.
2- "Gangs fighting each other makes no sense". My man, if you knew anything about real life gangs, you'd know that they fighting each other makes ALL THE SENSE.
4- The common folk idolizing someone that takes the fight to the high ups makes no sense? Are you sure about that? **gestures broadly at the direction of a certain CEO shooter**
9- I thought he got captured bcuz he wanted to "show off" his new toy to Ambessa, and join her ranks, which is exactly what he does.
13- As a non-LoL player, I agree wholeheartedly with this. It felt like a "wink wink nudge nudge" to all LoL players while giving other fans the middle finger.
16, 21- The MOMENT they introduced Isha I thought: "They're gonna kill her in a drawn-out, emotional scene to hurt Jinx, aren't they?". And lo and behold, its exactly what they did. I don't like Isha.
20- Vi was never going to kill Jinx, and Jinx was never going to kill Vi. The sooner you accept this, the better.
I just fully watched your video, and I'd like to say that it's probably one of the best critical videos on S2 I've seen so far!
I really like the way it's structured. It really helps to pinpoint what's wrong exactly with this Season. It doesn't address all of the problems this Season has of course, but, honestly, this Season was such a waste that naming every flaw it has would probably require 6+ hour video essay 💀
You providing all needed criticism in a span of 24 minutes is truly remarkable!
I hope your video gets more attention and would succeed at changing people's mind over this mess of a Season.
Thank you for creating it~! ✨💙💖🌸🙌
What’s the music starting at 14:19 at point 20? I’ve heard it before I just want to remember from where…
In my opinion, Ekko not getting Jesus handed along with Jayce was because they were altered by the Arcana and that's why seemed "invisible" to Victor's hands so he had to catch them.
With alt Powder, I assumed she kind of put two and two together and realised that Ekko wasn't her Ekko, but I still feel weird about her falling in love with Ekko and kissing him. The whole scene was beautiful, but felt weird along with the other points stated in the video.
Anyways, well made video. Thanks for pointing out the flaws! I would have ignored them
If you watch it again, you’ll notice that three of those Jesus hand things came for Vi, Jinx, and Ekko. However, Jinx managed to evade one of them, and it seemingly disappeared after that. Later, we see Warwick holding down Vi and Jinx, allowing the remaining two Jesus hand things to capture them. That left Ekko unaffected as he never got caught up in it or at least that’s what it look like.
Thank you for this video, Better Storytelling. While I dont agree with all of your takes, this was a well done and thought out video. I am very frustrated with how they handled most of the characters, in particular, the Zaunites. So much wasted potential.
Jinx especially hurt for me since her schizophrenia just...left. You can become healthier, but mental illness isn't a choice, nor does it "go away" like a bad cold.
And the writing off of character relationships was the worst writing decision for me. That really soured this season for me. Ekko/Vi, Cait/Jayce, Cait/Ekko (How would Ekko react to her gassing his home).
This was me! I was like crying at the end and so happy to have a show like this but then the next few days I was like wait a minute! 😂 and something felt off and now I don’t like season 2 as much.
Oh my SAME! I cried at the end like damn finally a good show. Then my thoughts cooked and realised so much was wrong with the season.
@ right. Felt like that meme kid. “Waaait a minute.” 😂
It feel ls like youve wached the seasen while on your phone or something. Most of these points can be explained or are just wrong. id suggest you go back and watch it again and please pay attention this time
Okay we'll watch it again and it's still bad. Did you type this argument on your phone because this is basic Arcane fan cope.
...You don't even try to argue against his points. You just insult him and call it a day. We're here to argue and become better storytellers, not throw shallow insults at each other because we don't like a take.
@@njabulosithole1795 sorry it was late and i dont feel Like typing this much on my Phone
there's another thing that isn't really talked about but is a HUGEEE issue is the moment where Caitlyn randomly lets jinx go??? like I understand it's supposed to be symbolic as she no longer hates jinx more than she loves vi but at the same time she let go a terrorist who is also HEAVILY mentally unstable. the decision should've been based atleast on the councils votes and even then, why the hell would they let jinx go? Atleast send a party search for her she's a damn mass terrorist who had killed several people including even some of her own and has done enough crimes to be sentenced to life yet suddenly she's just scott free?
Also Jinx, again a MASS CRIMINAL WHO WORKED UNDER SILCO (a drug lord), should've been heavily guarded. How the hell did Vi manage to just run in, unlock her cell and free her? the writing just doesn't make sense 😭
Caitlyn literally tells Vi she moved the guards.
@@gustavgustav2670 damn u right thats mb but the point still stands. Caitlyn should have not let jinx go
I do feel it needed another season to explore the war arc and an episode more on each arc in season 2 as there was too much happening and not enough screen time to fully explore what they needed. Like I think the decision to be an enforcer for vi should have been more nuanced and taken more than a single episode, they should of even implied doing so made her an alcoholic not the break up with Caitlyn even if you love someone usually it’s not losing them that causes alcoholism but rather seeds are usually there beforehand and I think for Vi to have been able to be an enforcer she should of been relying on alcohol to get through it because that would fit her character moreso. Jinx wasn’t actually bad writing as a lot of her followers are using her flare scene as their symbol…. She was unintentionally put into a hero status and she even says it herself “wake up sis I’m a hero” in a sarcastic tone as if she thinks it’s ridiculous because the only thing she believes is worthy of being a hero is saving zaunites from prison…. But her trying to get back to Vi was her uniting others below her even if she was doing all the wrong things… her temper tantrum was in a way rightfully done… what I mean by that is for years piltover oppressed Zaun so taking out the counsel members was a symbol of “tear down the system” which is exactly why Sevika becoming a member at the end was the right choice as the system was too in favour of piltoverians, for example both Vander and Silko should have been members of the counsel if the world was right, Silco moreso as Vander was just a guy and his bar that brought people together whereas Silco was a pillar of hope for Zaun even if he was a crime lord. And jinx embodied his ideals which made Zaun follow her even if she didn’t ask for it she was the mix of good and bad that Zaun had become she understood both sides of the coin of Vander and Silco which was something Vi couldn’t as she only saw Vander as right…. Though with another season it could have followed Vi becoming more of a leader of Zaun as an enforcer and having a split between the sisters similar to their respective fathers which would allow them to work together until the final arc similar to trying to save Vander but with more catalyst and on a larger scale..
It really needed at least another 2 episodes to flesh everything out. And I HATED what they've done to Vi. I think Ekko's story was fine, though.
There's a lot of poorly blocked scenes hiding and misleading with touchy feeling music.
Isha's sacrifice:
-Jinx was already out of WW range
-WW was busy surrounded by zaunites
-Jinx was so far away that even Vi has to stop her from stopping Isha
-Why does Isha decided she needs to kill the beast that is literally acting as a misdirection so they can escape from the battle scene?
-Why does Ambessa freaks out at WW killing Riktus when literally this was Singed said it was going to happen (going full rage mode) in the previous scene.
I rewatched S1 so many times because of how well written it is. I have 0 desire of watching S2, because they more I think about it, the less sense it makes.
Hey! but the touchy feely misdirection will hide everything.
20:44
THANK you again.
This whole ship doesn't make any damn sense at all.
Not only powder reaction on very weird behavior VERY unnatural whole time. He not better.
Even if he had a little bit faith and sympathy for jinx left - IT'S AIN'T same person bro 🥴 you complete strangers to each other. There's nothing to make that ship work.
But he suddenly falls in love with powder and decided to FIX his jinx. And fixed ☠️
Last time they saw each other. They were fighting to death.
But now even after countless trying, he talked her out of suicide.
I swear that season written by chat gpt.
And people eat it. They happy about it. It's just sad.
18:10 I mean a shit explanation is that Warwick or Vander is legit in pain from a lava like substance oozing from his body or is trying his hardest not to kill the kid that lowkey tried to help him ig
subscribed after 10 seconds of the vid
it was pretty much impossibly for them to deliver 1:1 on the masterpiece of s1. I honestly couldn't shake the mixed feelings after s2 ended... felt quite empty inside after it all, and not because of emotional reponses or anything, it just felt like a pretty gallery of fancy moments, quotes, scenes and soundtracks to jumble every mismatched thing together... with lazy multiverse plot crutches on top, which I very much dislike... just a very lazy plot device.
Finally a video and comment section saying no to rushed and shoddy writing in Arcane 2. I really hate the multiverse bs and shift in focus to a huge world altering villain fight and Zaun issues nowhere in sight and really bad characters. Season 2 is a completely different show than season 1. And fans are truly coping and seeing Victors arc as deep, when it is a surface Level pseudo philosophy.
yes yes yes louder king
Season 2 was rushed not poorly written. This season was just as enjoyable as season 1 regardless of it's flaws.
Also, given your thumbnail, it's pretty clear what's your real problem with episode 7 was. News flash it's 2024 not 1824.
There's a few things like WW could be alive bc of his inhuman regeneration abilities, or Heimer literally vanishing because Yordles interact differently with magic, because they themselves are magical beings etc
so there's plot armour
So a few things like that aren't weird to me.. but almost all writing flaws you pointed out I do agree on
Especially the Cait Vi scene ruined both characters for me, I thought their relationship was gonna be interesting after Season 1...
Oh well, also cool that they baited the unaliving Jinx at the end.. but that's a personal grudge as I've been at that point so many times
But the show really had a weird feel to it, still a masterpiece but with alot of flaws
So it isn't a masterpiece. Just a pretty picture that's rotten at the edges.
Okay, i was not really a fan of the "Jinx is a symbol" thing... but then, it makes sense. If you look at history and the many times a revolution broke out, it was the one that is the "loudest" that is remembered. We have to remember that Jinx has a signature she leaves after each attack, the has the fire that many would be inclined to follow during dire times. It doesn't matter if they represent them or not like you said about Ekko being a better representation of the undercity. In France, the revolution was a result of an outrage of the upper class. Robespierre who led the revolution was note only a bourgeois but also inclined to be murderous. But the use of the guillotine still was a symbol. The marseillaise is still a ruthless chant about insurection. And even in recent times, people who stormed the white house in america viewed Donald Trump as a symbol despite many of them being of the general working middle class. They related to him because he was different, he was loud and would stsnd out. It's easy for someone unfit to lead to still become a symbol. And for real important people to be forgotten.
The second season is not a continuation of the complex and rich story that was the s1, but simply a lot of video clips put together. How was Vi and Jinx conflict resolved? They just hugged twice. How does Vi and Caitlyn relationship develop? In one minute they quarreled, and then in one minute they made up. That's it. There's nothing more. And so the whole season. There's almost no real dialogue in the s2. One character simply says one sentence, and the second one also responds with one sentence. It's some kind of TikTok format. It's nice to watch. But there is little plot or meaning in it.
The videos on RUclips with a cut of CaitVi relationship look especially revealing. One of them is called "3 minutes of CaitVi relationship". The video itself is 2.20. The funniest joke about the Second Season. There weren't even 3 minutes of the main couple's relationship in the series.
you lost me in point 22, but you got me in 25, and the conclusion was just to real.
i feel season 2 is just some spectacle, cool visuals and some cool fights, but that political drama of season 1 where every scene have some impact on the history is gone, it’s sad but it is what it is.
btw fuck the lol cinematic universe, i wanted to see a good show 😊
maybe Ekko is like:
is this getting Powder to cheat?
nah i draw the line at making love to Powder LOL
yes. Im so glad finaly someone is talking about this.
The main idea which probably 99% of Arcane fans don’t understand is that it never was a masterpiece or art. It’s just a story, decent series, but still made with money for money. It doesn’t have any personal language like writers and artists have. There is no tendencies and no «penmanship». Even if there was passion - it is completely swept away with corps ideas. Maybe understanding this will loosen the grip on the second season and raise its reputation a bit.
Louder! Season 2 sucks!
Season 1 pretty good ep 3 is still my fav
Season 2: huh? What just happened?
Both spiderverse movies:
Something’s off.
I agree with a couple of these but this is a big overreaction
That episode 7 part has to be racist, there is literally 0 reason to dislike the character that has 0 unlikable qualities than call the relationship he has with a white girl disgusting 😂
Yeah once they started focusing on magic shit I knew it was gonna get iffy. Like most shows that start out great then they start adding so much shi(normally out of this world type of shit) in a short amount of time
My brother in christ the show is called "Arcane"
Season 2 felt like it was written as a series of highlights for youtube reaction channels strung together.
Get a job bro, this critics ain't gonna work
This is such a small brained comment, that’s like stating “Get a job bro, riding a bike ain’t gonna work.” Get off of this video because you clearly don’t understand anything more complex than 1 + 1
@@nameless.artist1513 Yaping ain't a job bro, go start filling those applications 🙏
I agree with some of them, disagree with some of them. Even though I think that s2 was rushed, I don't think it's "incredibly bad". That's just exaggerating. Maybe overrated is the word but not incredibly bad. I'll count some of the points I disagree.
2) They are fighting each other to take over the leadership.
4) Same happens in our own universes, too. Zaun was being oppressed by Piltover for years. Jinx sparked the flame of riot, which then led to the raid in the memorial. About Ekko not being the idol, well we don't know if his community is widely known. Silco was ruling the lanes. Ekko was just finding people who need help and give them a home. But they are not crowded. Also Ekko wears mask which implies that probably no one other than firelighters know the leader of Firelighters.
7) As you said, there is a time skip after episode 3. We don't know what happened in this skip. Do you know how Powder eventually turned into a Jinx? No, because there is a time skip after episode 3 of season 1.
9) Singed can't control him. Even Warwick can't control himself, too. Warwick is just going after blood. Singed probably didn't want to test his creature in the middle of Piltover, and also not in a desolate place because he would kill him. The prison full of enforcers is a good place to test him.
12) Vİ probably didn't even know he survived the explosion in the bridge.
13) They don't want to stop Ambessa. They are after a newborn Ambessa gave birth to with a magician(?) (If I don't misremember). They at first thought it was Kino, and then investigated Mel. It's just a setup for upcoming show but yeah I partially agree that either it should have more screen time or on the contrary, Mel should have learned she was a mage in a different way and Black Rose shouldn't be in this plot.
15) I didn't even understand your point here? Vi and Powder's mom, Silco and Vander were close friends. After their mom died, Vander took care of them. If you are talking about their biological father not being mentioned, I get it. But wtf does it have to do with Vander?
16) I agree with it and hate the fact that she was nothing but a tool for Jinx to heal. She could have got a lot more character development.
17) I don't think you can talk deeply about this. Are you a psychologist, or have you ever been through these kinds of trauma? I suppose not. You don't know about psychology, about how a mentally unstable people can heal. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it can't come true.
18) "There is always a deal to be struck." "You forget Smeech? You already made your last offer."
20) Communicate as if they've seen each other multiple time since then? Wtf? It literally doesn't give the vibe that they've seen or talked to each other after the fight. Vi literally tried to choke her without letting her say a single word. Hadn't Jinx tell her that Vander was alive, she could have killed her. And no, she didn't instantly believe "We both know this is bullshit". But she wanted to believe. Because she acts mostly with her emotions rather than her logic. That's who she is. I'll bring up this in the point 27. And also, even though they tried to kill each other. It was never what they wanted. They still love each other. For example when Isha put herself on the crossfire to save Jinx, Vi could have just pull Isha off of Jinx and let Caitlyn take the shot. But she hesitated and didn't want this, which implies that as I said, she acts mostly with her emotions.
20.1) Yeah, it's hard to believe Silco would forgive Vander with a letter. But remember s1 e3. He didn't hate Vander when he tried to kill him. He hated him when he made deal with Piltover, making him feel betrayed. Also even though they have different philosophies, Silco started understanding Vander why he made deals with Piltover after being wanted to give away Jinx for the nation of Zaun, everything to which he dedicated his whole life, even though it's too late now. He understood that it's not about being afraid of fighting back, it's about losing loved ones. "No one wins in a war".
21) Same as 17. She is a child with trauma, cared and saved multiple times by Jinx. You don't know anything about the psychology of this type of a child. Also about warwick being fast to kill Jinx but being slow in Isha's sacrifice, this is an animation movie, you just overreact. Not everything needs to make super sense.
22) You just jumped from the beginning of the episode to the end of it. There is a part where Ekko draws Vi to the tree as an apology to Powder and then they talk to each other off screen. Powder doesn't kiss him after she thinks he has forgetten everything. Also, that's a screwdriver, not a knife.
25) Vi didn't know she was gonna kill herself. "I really thought she would help". She thought her sister betrayed her again.
26) Watch again. There were 3 arms going down for Jinx, Vi and Ekko. Jinx dodges one of them and the arm that goes for Ekko goes for Jinx. The dodged arm disappears.
27) Yes. She is stupid in my opinion, too. But can you call it a bad writing? Do you think every goddamn person in this universe is a fucking genious or something. Stupid people exist, too.
Also more about 17) She sat on the Jinx chair. But that's not what she embraced with full willings. Do you know that there was a deleted scene that explains Ekko trying to save Powder from Silco and Powder rejected him, said I don't wanna be saved. Well, what's the first thing she's done after learning that Vi was alive? She summoned her, cried, hugged her. All she wanted was getting her sister back. Also fyi, she doesn't know shit about Caitlyn. She doesn't know Caitlyn released Vi from prison, saved her life, got her medicine, with Vi, convinced council to make peace. She doesn't know what kind of person Caitlyn is. And Vi used to hate enforcers just as much as she does. So vi not being able to kill Cait made her think that Vi chose Caitlyn over her which implies that Piltover has taken her sister away from her, too. Also she killed Silco to save Vi, too. She tells Vi that "I thought you could love me like you used to". She was just overwhelmed by all those emotions and acted without a proper thinking ability considering the fact that she was mentally unstable because of all those extremely tough traumas she's been through. How can you think properly in this specific case? She is a type of person that's just way too broken, but could be saved.
this video is underrated your criticisms are valid for the most part, i disagree with some ep 7 criticisms though
My previous comment got deleted again for some reason so I'll rewrite it again. (Fourth time already gee)
In general I agree with your criticism and feel like you made a lot of valid points!
However want to leave my comment on your Point 2 on Zaun barons
They are indeed smart and experienced. However I believe they won't be joining arms against Piltover at first. The reason why? They're businessmen. And going against Piltover or probably starting prolonged war would mean no gain for them, only losses. Whether it would be closed trade routes or enforcers coming down to the Under-city to bring order to the chaos.
So I believe instead at first they'd try to negotiate and come in terms with the Piltover council. Next they'll most likely unite in capturing Jinx, or start a race to capture her first for some gains in relationships with the pilties. Basically they'd do anything to get Piltover off of their tail.
However if the council would want them gone/imprisoned for some reason, then that'll be the reason for them to take hostile actions against Piltover as a matter of defending themselves.
Upd: I can't believe it, it's actually there! Finally it's got through lol
In the pursuit of great (character arc and moving vibe ),they failed to do good( logic in plot )
Sometimes, taking a leap forward means leaving a few things behind
一Viktor
He didn't say that.
So S2 is bad, because there's Loris, who you don't really get to know, but S1 is a masterpiece, because there's Huck who you don't really get to know?
What?
you know whats funny they will release another good show yall will eat it up they will now release a bad second season yall will complain again the cycle will keep repeating cause people overhype shows rather than give solid critiques that force them to do better
the more praise given the less they feel the need to try harder
There are more subtext and visual clues that are more subtle then in seson 1 but for most questions i know the answer from watching it carfully
Also i think the speed is justified as this is at a time of war where everything happens fast
People die and theres no time to look for them
People change and you talk as if what they went through didn't do that to them
There are some inconveniences yes but i think your just grasping at straws
And episode 7 powder implied that echo had acted like this previously "madness and genius " the line where she uses that when they see each other
Remember poweder has jinx in her she just got the help she needed but the trauma and everything before the help is still the same
Shes a mad genius who learnd to focus on the positive side
And echo doesspeak about his past self not in a im from another universe way couse why would he
Hes been hinting at it from the first moment and powder has been observing him
And himingdinger is a mad genius that lived for longer then the entire city lives
He didn't work on hex tech bc thats what coused l the evil
He worked on bettering the city from the undercity in the time he spent away from cuncil since he knows the problems and what they lead to
Hes a flawd eternal being who was shown that right now he has only a few years to fix an issue
He does calculate in seconds
He does work on building stuff and improving faster
Isha shes powder raised by jinx
She has worked in the same mines as jinxes parents and she is deaf
She doesn't know half the things jinx tells her couse she looks away and her view of jinx is a hero
She was never shown by jinx to stay safe
While powder has always been told and shows to be safe
Isha is sopost to be flawd and jinx is having no mental brake downs becouse she has literally blown them up last seson
Last seson she got her catharsis
And now she just lives
Shes still crazy but she doesn't have the same visions bc she no longer has that conflict that fueld them
Isha doesn't trigger it bc shes her
Not milo.not vi isha is poweder and jinx feels like its a redo of her childhood
Isha would follow jinx she would observe her and she would idealise her couse shes strong to do what she never could
Jinx just let her in after she shown that she cares for jinx
Finally someone who would frow their life away for me even if i dont want to
All in all yes there are some issues
There should be more said and shown
There should be more episodes
But its not disgusting or rushed
It does have a lot of answers hidden on the screen and there are more things kept hidden that maybe shouldn't
Anyway that's mu opinion on why your wrong on few of the points you made
Your free to your opinion and since i know it snd feel differently i though id share an alternative
Have a good day
All that occurs off screen.
And learn how to format your comment. It's as poorly written as S2.
Also point 4 people of Zain are stupid they didn’t know that jinx caused it, (unless they seemed the bomb) and probably thought that attacking topsiders were a good idea but still I think your point makes sense
Your so right and it angers me so much
Though the music is really nice
My problem is why doesn’t Zaun make Silco as a matyr as they don’t know how he died why don’t they rely over his death as he died after his fights to piltover
Yes! Thank you for the video, I'm glad there's more and more content about how bad the second season is
HI! I do not agree with everything you said, some things you just assume too much, I think. For example, Ekko not telling AU Powder anything is fine, it is bad morally, but he needs her help and he wants to just get back. Him kissing her is bad morally, but works fine. I mean, she's cute tho, isn't she? Her first conclusion about him acting strange shouldn't also be very radical. Maybe he's overworked, stressed, or just has a breakdown.
Some more points that I have. We clearly see AU Powder has blue rough hextech ore in her drawer after Ekko goes back to main timeline. This means that they did walk away with stolen goods, and we have no idea how the events unfolded that the result is so peaceful. It's not just Zaun, they have people from both sides having fun on the bridge, that is always empty in orig. timeline. I personally like the episode (expect for Heimer) and Ekko/Powder kiss, despite him knowing it's probably bad, but there is no clear reason as to why AU is so nice, except for two ideas.
1) Vi and Jayce are the main problem-makers of the timeline, and their removal makes peace possible. This turns those two into the actual "Jinx" making it bad for everyone in the orig. timeline. Pretty sure it was not the idea, but sure seems so. My understanding is that Vi dies, but others still get away(I don't see how else Powder still has hextech balls in her drawer), and everything should play out mostly the same as season 1. Notable exceptions are:
-Jayce is imprisoned/banished/Viktor doesn't stop him from jumping down, hence no hextech creation.
-There is no Vi to try and save Vander from Silco, so they actually somehow make up instead of fighting in the factory? Seems streched, but it is the only logical way for this to unfold.
2) And I think this is the angle the writers wanted. Hextech is inherently flawed/bad in itself, basically what Heimer was saying in season 1. Hextech timeline = fucked, no hextech timeline = paradise. Still don't see which events led to that happy state, but pretty sure this is the idea. Also, AU Powder is left with all that research, orig. Ekko left, her Ekko has no idea, but will be curious to try it, and Heimer is gone to warn/stop them, so good luck AU. There is almost 0 possibility that AU Powder will not create Hextech.
Oh, and AU should definitely be much less peaceful, because shimmer was already made, and it was the whole opposition of technology hextech was weaponized to oppose shimmer, because it was hard to deal with otherwise, and without hextech, Piltover should be at a disadvantage. I guess we can assume Vander and Silco made up and Silco saw the errors of his ways, but it is just lazy. I don't think this was all that thought out by the writers, they just thought something like "Oh, you know what would be cool? If Ekko got into alternative timelime with good Jinx, and danced and they kissed. And everyone is alive and fine (mostly). That would be very emotional."
One of the writers said, that they were inspired my MCU about multiverse and timelines. Makes sense :)
And by the way, show could do without any timeline shenanigans at all. There is no hint at that in season 1 and that is just fine. Jayce could have had a vision about future where Viktor won and evolved the whole world, hooded figure could still be Ryze, and not Viktor, ending with Viktor and Jayce would not change, Viktor would just see future that Jayce saw. Ekko and Heimer AU could be just cut out, and we could have time for something more meaningful with them. I like AU episode overall, but that writing is just plain bad imo.
season 2 was a total failure ..
This dude lowkey said he finds Powder dating Ekko disgusting 😅. Nah, tells us how you really feel, sir.
That Ekko is skin walking another, so yeah, it's creepy.
Let him cook ...
stop watching after point 19, vi and jinx never wanted to kill each other, nice try not watching the rest
show us ur hidden or deleted comments
goodbye
I don't think you were actually watching the show. Not saying that there is a right and wrong way to; just think of a book. You can read it, but can you understand it? I won't be writting about your points to avoid writting a too long of a comment. Though, if you ask, I'll probably respond.
You made points that made sence, for example, the black rose ones, however the majority seems to be rooted in deep misunderstanding.
"You're wrong, but I won't write a comment about how you're wrong because it's too long, because you don't understand the story"
Do you understand ancient Greek literature or is the pfp a larp?
@blacktigerpaw1 Don't take my words out of context. The reason I didn't explain my thoughts is because I, like I said, I would do an essay. I don't want to spend time doing that if he won't read it anyways. That's why I said to ask if he wants to know. Not because I think he didn't understand the show.
Yeah. S2 was good but act 2 and 3 are just ok and ngl they butchered the ending.
This man is just a troll. 😂
Um... 🤨🤔
i feel like the only thing they did best was ekko meeting powder
This has to be rage bait maybe half of these points are valid but with a very breif look over the show so many can be debunked so obsessed with calling the characters and writing stupid the hypocrisy
"So many can be debunked"
While not debunking a single one. Why are guys named Alex such cvnts?
In my opinion, season 2 was much better than season 1. It hit on a lot of compelling emotional notes that struck hard for me, especially with Jinx's long and difficult struggle through anger, which morphed into depression, and finally into forgiving both those who hurt her and herself. Also, Viktor's position as a Zaunite who rose to the higher end of Piltover made his story very logical, with him always feeling that he must leave a legacy and be extraordinary or fall as a failure (which came from his background in the undercity), while still truly wanting to do good for the world. His methods were clouded by his past as a lonely, weak (as he always saw himself, at least), yet brilliant mind, but his intentions were almost completely to improve the lives of the land he loved. Jayce helped him to see that those methods were flawed, and that his quest for perfection would ultimately harm the cause he wanted to support, leading Viktor to the incredible line on perfection: "there is no prize to perfection, only an end to pursuit." Overall, this season was consistently the best part of any show (or movie) I have ever seen, and though it had a few minor issues related to pacing, nothing can take away from the brilliance present in each episode, especially in 6-9.
Dude you’re completely right but shut up.
Thank you.
I liked season 2 better than season 1
Your point 25 is so wrong its pretty funny.
Can't disagree with point 27 though, that made no sense.
How is point 25 wrong?
@samueluddin9931 because it misses the whole point about breaking the cycle of what she's been doing and choosing for herself and what makes her happy. What makes it even more wrong is that he then references that very point in point 27. Can't have it both ways.