You Won't Look at Skyrim the Same After Hearing This Crazy Theory
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- In our latest Elder Scrolls video we explore a crazy Skyrim theory regarding Ysgramor and his mythical past.
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Fantastic theory. You guys are so creative. Bethesda should hire all of you as writers.
If Alduin and Shor are brothers just as Akatosh and Lorkhan are brothers and men descend from the wandering Ehlnafey who sided with Lorkhan/Shor and in a sense became his children when Kyne breathed them onto the world then doesnt it follow that Shor was a dragon too and the reason Paarthurnax was needed was as a kind of surrogate with the power to teach them an innate ability from their draconic ancestry?
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Where are the links to Kirkbrides works.
So when are you going to turn this idea into a Skyrim build?
My take on Elder Scrolls lore right now:
1. Everyone is lying, and
2. Everyone is correct anyway.
Basically. Its because of timelines and the dragon breaks. And because constant dev swapping and forgetting old concepts they never got back to
@@lunaticscribbles6016 That and belief literally makes or remakes reality in Elder Scrolls.
Dragonbreak baby
"Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted" - Hassan I Sabbah
Pretty much, yeah. Mythology in Elder Scrolls can be allegorical while at the same time still being more or less correct.
Like the story of how Malacath was created from the remains of the elven god Trinimac after being devoured by Boethia. At one point Malakath heard this story while disguised as a mortal and replied: "You people are always so literal-minded."
Drew must be an aspect of Hermaeus Mora. The forbidden knowledge he provides is all too tempting and will lead us down a path into something all the casuals will call madness.
If seeking the forbidden knowledge is madness…call me Sheogorath 😎
@@christopher1821 shegorath the skooma cat this one has cheese
Or just yet another Skyrim playthrough rollplaying again
I seek Chim. I need all the knowledge.
He's Mantling
I love that we can still talk about this 10 years later
And i still feel like theres more to uncover
Sign of some pro-level worldbuilding
@@brownie43212 It's bethesda and by the sounds of things your hopes are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too high. Be ready for bugs and barely working launch, free paid mods etc etc
@@brownie43212 No, it's even in the works yet. Todd said it's in "designing" phase which would mean they're still conceptualizing it. And knowing Bethesda, their maximum dev time is 3-4 years since they'll just reuse the same engine anyways.
@@brownie43212 lol no dude. It's gonna be a bunch of sad radiant quests. Let's see what the space game is gonna be. From that base point we can judge what tes6 is gonna bring
This is honestly a really solid theory. How or why dragons would become the Nords is a hard one to tackle but absolutely fascinating.
Perhaps they were cursed by the Gods of the Snow Elves for genociding all of the snow Elves. Nords could have reluctantly buried such a fact out of shame and pride, burying their dragon past to forever be lost in history so it would seem that they never fell from grace.
The video explains it how a dragon became human: by losing its divinity during the creation.
Maybe the same/similar way the companions are able to transform into werewolfs
Could be, that they relinquished their powers. Only in a sense to become mortal. As all nords would return to Soverngard when they died. And the cycle would forever continue. Almost like a sense of Rebirth, or Reincarnation. Though it could also be something of a Ritual. A Dragon, gives up their powers, and aspect. And in turn is reborn a Mortal, sent to challenge the world, and Dragons with their Bare Hands. Doing so would in turn, let them achieve a greater Power, and Understanding when reborn as a Dragon.
@@RambleyShiba You mean for their revenge on the Snow Elves trying to kill them off first? Why everybody just skips over this fact so that they can just call the Nords evil racists is a problem with how people are interpreting the lore.
This is honestly an amazing theory. It leads me to a very significant question: why did the events of TES V: Skyrim happen? Discussions between TLD and Paarthurnax touch on this, but by defeating Alduin, did TLD indeed break the natural cycle of kalpas? Did they prevent the next world from being born? Paarthurnax says they may simply balance the forces that work to quicken the end, but without Alduin, how can the end come at all? Arngeir theorizes that Alduin may be allowed to return to fulfill his destiny as World-Eater, but this seems unlikely to me. If that were the case, why would the gods send TLD to stop him in the first place?
My theory is that Alduin himself is at fault. While many characters call him World-Eater and claim that his return is the beginning of the end, Alduin himself never says he has come to destroy the world. I think Alduin forsook his duty as World-Eater and chose to rule in tyranny over this world rather than destroy it and make way for the new kalpa. Ironically, by defeating Alduin, TLD actually quickened the end of the world, just as Paarthurnax alluded. "Those who try to hasten the end, may delay it. Those who work to delay the end, may bring it closer." In reality, Alduin wanted to maintain the current world and lord over it as god-king. By defeating him, TLD made way for a new World-Eater, one who would not shirk their duty, but would bring about the end that must occur, ushering in the birth of the new kalpa.
The next game is probably going to be the Thalmor trying to undo Nirn with the Adamantine Tower, so if that is what they do with it, you could say whoever runs them is doing Alduin's work. But since you don't absorb his power upon killing him, I think he's still around somewhere, waiting to reform and come back to do more.
TLD says TLDR
I don’t remember where I heard it from but from all the years of talking about this game I could’ve sworn I heard that Alduin was just a small fragment of himself and his true form is lost in time. Like pieces of him leaking from the elder scroll of time and forming into smaller forms of himself in order to get a foot hold in Tamriel.
Some shit like that I’m terrible at explaining things but I remember something like that
@Richard Haegeler In Oblivion, it wasn't actually Akatosh's power being used. It was the Amulet of Kings that allowed him to take physical form like that, and even then, he needed Martin Septim as an avatar, taking advantage of his dragon blood to do so. All of the spirits involved in making Nirn, aside from Magnus and the Magna-Ge, lost most of their power, so Akatosh, Mara, Zenithar, Julianos, Stendarr, Dibella, Kynareth, and depending on his origin, maybe Arkay, all have very limited power. Arkay may have been mortal orginally, granted divinity by Mara, so if he is on the same level as the rest, he'd still be limited by her level of power, which isn't much, compared to the Daedra, or probably Talos, since he also wasn't around to lose power making Nirn.
@@bobinski1996 I don't where you'd hear that, but that's not where he came from. Dragons are actually just fragments of Akatosh's power, which makes them stronger than mortals, but Akatosh being Aedric, he can't produce something as strong as a Daedra. When Alduin calls himself "first born of Akatosh," he likely refers to his own creation being first, not literally meaning Akatosh had children. Although Nords believe Kynareth was married to Shor, and Altmer religion refers to the AEdra procreating, along with Morihaus being Kynareth's possible son, so it could bethat dragons actually are descended directly from Akatosh, but it's unclear. There's also the potential for Alduin being another aspect of Akatosh, as Auriel and others are, since he's part of some sort of oversoul, rather than one indivudual entity. It gets pretty wierd if you try to figure out exactly where Alduin came from.
Paarthunax: Dragons are eternal, unchanging, and unyielding.
Also Paarthunax: I've changed...
Edit: so since this comment is still getting angry replies over a year later, I want to clarify in general terms that I always let paarthunax live, but the normal logic of assuming his transformation will last forever is kind of silly. My own logic hinges on how draconic immortality actually works. People act like if you fail to kill paarthunax now there will be no one to deal with him if he does turn tyrant since you are the last dragonborn, but that isn't really true. Normal people can totally kill dragons, hence the dragon bones waking up everywhere in skyrim. They just can't make them stay dead.
Dead dragons don't just wake up on their own though, hence why they've been gone all this time. They need to be revived by a more powerful dragon. So, if paarthunax turns evil in a thousand years, some hero can rise up to put him in the ground, where he will stay until Alduin comes back to eat the world, at which point a tyranical paarthunax is the least of your problems. I'm not going to eat someone's soul just because they might become a manageable threat someday, but I'm not going to pretend that him becoming a threat isn't realistic. It's not only realistic, but likely. It's just not a justification for complete annihilation.
Except for he hasn't. Even now he feels the pull of destruction. But which is better, to have been born good, or to have overcome one's innate evil through constant struggle? Paarthurnax is the latter. As dragons are eternal, so too are his efforts to not succumb to his darker urges.
@@damyenhockman5440 But he hasn't always been struggling to overcome his "innate evil". He didn't at one time, and engaged in the same behavior as the rest of the dragons, and then says he changed his ways.
@@damyenhockman5440 dammit, dont make killing him sound like a good idea....
I hope he emerges in the next calpa as a good pure soul.
@@achristiananarchist2509 he changed his ways, but is still the same dragon. He made a decision to go against who he is, but it did not change who he is. As an immortal, he has forever, and over a long enough timespan one's true nature will always win out. That's why there's occasion with taming animals where the animal, after many years of getting along just fine, will kill their owner. It may not be in this Kalpa, but he will return to his old ways.
what if the atmorans were dragons and had their souls eaten by other dragons. and the depiction of kyne breathing them into the throat of the world is her giving them new souls which transformed them into men
That would be amazing
i actually love this theory a lot
Yes and no I like the part about the dragons however if we're thinking Merithic Era or sometime after the dragons were waring men, or sometime later when dragons were being hunted by blades under Emperor remans rule but I like your imagination I just find the dragon and Kinereth thing a bit less Canon unless I'm mistaken and certain similar things were expressed in books or scenes on one of the games I've missed then I'd love to here it lol 😉 but personal opinion I don't know If Kyne would've breathed them on the throat of the world however that's smart because you could come to think of parthurnaux and him helping the humans therefore there actually were seeable and explained connections between P, the gray beards and Kyne but from me fathoming it I'd say kyne would've had Parth Allie with men in order to create a balance in the war between dragons and mainly men of Skyrim but who knows maybe Kyne had more of an Agenda or heavy role to play than I contemplate lol good discussion.
Didn't realize I hit dislike at first lol
Would make sense considering only Akatosh would be able to make dragons. He could have refused for any number of reasons but Kyne aided them, again for any number of reasons, and gave them the best bodies she could which happened to be human.
It's insane how Fudge is still making content about skyrim since his first upload 8 years ago
It's like.. 3 guys, but whatever..
@@SecretSexSkeleton The Three-in-One God.
MICSCODRE
I've aged skyrim for a long time and I still don't know where they find all this literature and backstoreis
@@SecretSexSkeleton "The Ubersreich 5! Or 4, it doesn't matter! "
When you love something, it’s easy.
"I am not saying that they're dragons, but they're dragons"
Basically. Fundamentally.
That’s some resident evil logic right there. As long as you replace the word dragons with the word zombies 😂
@@art3misxp784 or aliens
They’re definitely not dragoffs
I don't understand why Drew keeps apologising for his rambling. He can read a telephone address book and I'd listen.
Hey, those are ancient relics in this era.
Between Drew and Morgan Freeman, I would listen to anything they were saying and be happy about it. Even a death warrant would sound like an eargasm.
100%
Yeah, His voice is so confident and passionate. I could listen to him talk for hours, The fact that i get to hear him talk about one of my favorite if not my favorite series is amazing.
Yeah and after that you can page him to call your flip phone.
Drew is killing it lately.
I love all three, but Drew is my favorite muppet
@@ThePhenix1 Big same.
Drew is always excellent
Drew is the true story teller. My favorite of the three. But Scott and Michael are really good too.
Drew is the total package and it’s honestly unfair.
I love them all, but if i'd have to differentiate fudgemuppet, then Scott is it's face, Michael the brain and Drew is the mouth/tongue. During podcasts, combined they create the true and only Godhead :p
You know, this theory makes you wonder if ALL man are like this, since we know redguards are from the last kalpa. What are the odds men in general are from the last kalpa, and thats why they have an altered view of those gods, and the elves are from this one, which is why they believe the way they do.
This theory slaps and also makes Bretons very interesting as people of two kalpas...
We don't know that Redguards are from the last kalpa.
@@arempy5836 The Walkabout? Them learning how to do it?? That's a thing.
@@SirTayluh What I'm saying is that it isn't confirmed. We don't "know". I myself don't think the Redguards themselves all came from a past kalpa. I think this is just their knowledge of kalpas and that there is a way to survive the kalpas by going to the far shores. It's something a person can achieve. I think the redguard are echos of past kalpas.
@@arempy5836 Right, but how do they know it works if no one has done it. Even yourself saying they are echoes of them admits on some level that they as a race in this kalpa come from that. Regardless of what you think they mean by the walkabout, what they say about the walkabout is very literal, and while yes, its not proven, that's kind of par for the course in this universe. I trust the concept straight from it more than just someone telling me that they think that they are echoes. It is, after all, only a theory on both sides, but them being from a past kalpa is much more generally accepted.
Whenever I hear that the High Elves are descended almost directly from the Aedra and the Argonians were gifted great power from the Hist which are also believed to be Daedric I feel like they should should fighting a lot more aggressively, they're like complete opposites, would love to see them fight a little more in the future
the thing with the Argonians is that they are extremely isolationist with only a handful of exceptions (with spectacular results) in-universe very few people know all that much about them or the Hist, which I imagine has contributed to them avoiding more direct attention from the Thalmor, although since the Thalmor also like to work in the shadows, who knows how much is going on while were were in Skyrim
Maybe the fact that they don’t fight is hinting at how the hist ARENT daedric in nature(I personally don’t believe they are, it just doesn’t fit to me).
This assumption is most likely incorrect, but aren't the Argonians part of the aldmeri dominion, same with High Elves and Khajiit? So it would be a civil war if that happened.
@@vanDaalstad The Numidum couldn't do shit to Blackmarsh, the Altimer aren't gonna take the argonions over. I don't think anyone can. When the Hist detect threats they call Argonne back and enhance them to the point tha a small amount of Argonions infiltrated Oblivion and caused so much damage the daddy's said "nah fuck this" and closed their own portals off. The argonians also have the greatest environmental advantage you can have.
Logically speaking they can't be beaten in their home land unless you burn all of blackmarsh to the ground, but the hist can stop that so idk how well that would work.
@@aidyplays1013 no, the Argonians have for the most part of their history enjoyed a high degree of independence. Even during the third era, the Empire didn't bother absorbing and transforming Black Marsh, they actually respected their culture for the most part, like they did for the Khajit. The Dunmer on the other hand, have constantly made war and enslaved the Argonians, so have the Nords (which is one of the key reasons why the Ebonheart Pact in ESO is so weird).
That in "todays" story ysgramor or the companions were only described as human could be due the dragon wars. That the founder and most important nord in ancient times was a dragon would give the dragon cult a lot of unwanted legitimacy, so they rewrote the storys to purge it from hints that he was a dragon.
absolutely, that makes a lot of sense. the only issue is that you literally meet ysgramor in the game and corpes of his son yngol.
there is a lot that can make this theory work, and before skyrim i might have been convinced but now there is just way too much contradicting it
@Jacob Wilson would a cat be a man if you percieve it to be?
@Jacob Wilson belief is a powerful thing. Besides, who is to say he wasn't able to polymorph into a human?
@Jacob Wilson people thought dragons were legends, that didn't work
@@chancethewrapperr
What about the Khajiit.
Ysgramor does sound like a shout when you compare it to other shouts.
Ysgramor works but I think all dragon names are three syllables. Yngol doesn't
“Ys” “Gra” “Mor”
@@JesusCheeseburger alduin
@@smillphy4756 “Al” “Du” “In”
@@smillphy4756 Al-Du-In. All dragon names are like that:
Paar-Thur-Nax
Mir-Mul-Nir is the first one fought
Sah-Lok-Nir is fought at Kynesgrove
O-Dah-Viing is captured at Dragonsreach
Vul-Thur-Yol is fought in Blackreach
I'm pretty sure most translate into something in the dragon tongue, except for maybe Alduin.
So Ysgramor could be a dragon name, but Yngol isn't.
That "is your ma or pa the dragon?" question suddenly has a lot more weight
Everytime i hear any skyrim music in the beginning, i just immediately want to install the game, and spend a whole week downloading all my mods before doing another playthrough again... its a problem.
Modding it is kind of the best part. I have lots of fun imagining how mods will change my game. More fun than actually playing it, I'd say.
@@nolankanski9116 I think I’ve spent more time modding the game this entire month then actually playing it
can relate lol
there is a program out there called wabbajack that lets you download and install modlists pretty easily, granted they are pre-built ones that fit to other people's enjoyments but if you know a lot about modding you can use it as a baseline to build your own list from it.
They really nailed the soundtrack in the game goddamn.
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Fudgemuppet: now you do
facts
I’ve had the exact thought. If I were to see this on another channel, I would roll my eyes, but since it’s FudgeMuppet, I can’t wait to watch it.
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Only channel that does click bait style titles right lol
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It's so cool to me that as I'm playing through Skyrim for the first time, people who have played the game for years are still discussing it. Who knows how long it will be until we are blessed with another game like this
There's elder scrolls online but I don't see anyone really talk about it
@@babygurleatsshickennuggits4201 personally i love ESO
Well, elder scrolls 6 is coming Nov 2022. Hype dude.
@@GoldenOrderBS what?
@@silvasilva6080 Yea ESVl is coming. Dunno when trailers are coming tho. Don't quote me though, lmao. This is just shit I found online.
When it comes to elves, Magnus makes much more sense as their progenitor. My theory is that every act the elves attribute to Auriel was done by Magnus and was done to undermine the divinity of Akatosh, Shor, and the men that worshiped them. Magnus and the early elves resented Akatosh and Shor for "stealing" their divinity what better revenge then to steal the divinity of their enemy.
Ooooooh! I like that.
Well, Magnus is the only Aedra/Et'Ada to be wholey seperate from Mundus. Sure he helped a bit, but he was able to escape before the other Elven gods could.
So really, Magnus is the only Elven God that has his full power and can reside fully in Aetherius, so maybe he's the one that, (while Auriel is now dormant like the other Aedra) is sort of directly watching and trying to help when he can, although I guess he doesn't want to run the risk of heading to Mundus and then getting stuck there if he stays too long.
Exactly there's a sort of relation that can be seen. the Aedra and daedra alot of the time seem to be both counter parts and cores of each other. you could actually say that because of the thalmors and other Aldmeri that spited the fact that a man was decended to God hood not the blood of a God or Aedra but a deity like patron to all man warriors of Tamriel and lord of governance for doing what he did with the Numidium an so on but I absolutely love your belief on that cuz you could also say that magnus was giving Ancano an edge against men of tamriel considering how almost unbeatable he'd be from taking control of the Eye of Magnus with all his former affinity for magic period being a high elf and having achieved balance with the path to Alaxon possibly through his younger yrs.
@@malachigamerguy3163
Well, to be fair, Ancano didn't seem like he knew exactly what he was doing.
He didn't have the Staff of Magnus and he was just sort of winging it. The Psyjic Order has mostly Mer in it, and I imagine that, other than the Snow Elves, the Psyjic would be the best people to handle and care for it.
Granted, the Thalmor are sort of getting ahead of themselves in the long scheme, they gotta play it smarter, even if they've been doing well so far.
But yeah, Magnus may have to take the Reigns for Auriel, since Magnus is likely more "awake" in Aetherius, not asleep like Auriel is now in Mundus. But I still don't agree that Magnus is the main/progenitor to Elven kind, I'm pretty sure that it's undisputed that Auriel is the God King of the Aldmeri Pantheon, just that Magnus is also very powerful
@@thalmoragent9344
Love this conversation, but what do you mean by Auriel is “asleep” in Mundus? I was under the impression that he ascended to Aetherius after the Convention at the Adamantine Tower. He was redeemed in a sense after defeating Lorkhan and was then allowed to join Magnus, Anuiel, and the Magne Ge in Aetherius. Is he asleep as in he doesn’t care too much of the affairs or mortals?
PS: I’m under the impression that Anu, Anuiel, Auriel, Magnus, and Akatosh, are all individual beings, despite the paradoxical belief that Auriel and Akatosh are one in the same. My theory is that Auriel is the Elven god who is descended from Anu himself, yet Akatosh is simply an Aedra, albeit the most powerful of them all. After Auriel left the Mortal Realm, he left it up to Akatosh to control time after the Dawn Era. Haha, sorry for the can of worms, but thus is the Elder Scrolls lore. I just want to make sure I understand it correctly.
speculative, yes. But it makes me wonder if the last Dragonborn can achieve a form of Draco Chrysalis themself. I mean, they are dragonborn so they might be able to alter their bodies further to become as timeless as the very beings they were born to kill. Even becoming one if possible...
New games tend to want to get rid of the hero fton the last game. Either the Dragonborn ends up like Miraak in Apocrypha or perhaps make the transition into becoming a dragon. Since dragons are genderless this would allow for the former Dragonborn to show up as a guestartist in the next gsme regardless of race or gender prior to the transition.
@@michaelpettersson4919 Well, since the next game will probably take place hundreds of years in the future, I'd say the most likely scenario is that the last dragonborn will be long dead. And as such, i doubt that he'll ever show up again the franchise.
That being said, there is still the matter of which entity will get his soul. Who has the strongest pull? Sithis? Nocturnal? Hermaeus Mora? Akatosh? Hircine? Molag Bal? Bethesda will probably leave this mess for each player to solve in their own headcanon.
The real question is what they’re going to make canon as far as the civil war/Thalmor debacle. I still find it so strange that they left such a huge looming conflict unresolved. Kind of lame if we don’t get to do anything about the Thalmor and they’re already gone by the next game. I assume they’ll just have the LDB help the empire and then disappear, maybe go explore Atmora, like the Nerevarine supposedly going to Akavir
@@christopher1821 I believe that It's already canon that the imperial empire won the civil war in Skyrim. As for the thalmor war I don't know.
@@Hearstbane isn't it canon that the dragonborn is Nord? Is he not powerful enough to turn the tide in the stormcloaks favour as he would likely join them
There is a story from Akavir that one of their kings became a dragon. Or tiger dragon, if there is a difference. So maybe there is a way for mortals to become dragons, whatever that means.
Are you blending MK and Skyrim??
A tiger dragon? Really??
]explanation [
Goro = Draco Shokan
Kintaro = Tigrar Shokan
Where dafuq can I find that story? I really want to read it
@@workingstiff0586 elderscrolls. fandom.com/wiki/Mysterious_Akavir
"Ka Po' Tun is the "Tiger-Dragon's Empire." The cat-folk here are ruled by the divine Tosh Raka, the Tiger-Dragon."
@@MrDUneven appreciate ya
Well, Martin Septim became a dragon
The 4 priests at the throat of the world are dragons. Their robes are scales and when Alduwiin dies you see them flying around the monestary. You are the only one in their home.
Aldu-weiner
Nah bro, thems gandalf and the graybeards.
Actually no, they are in the room where the Empire and the Stormcloaks made a truce.
And also I killed those dragons, they are not Arngeir, Wulfgar, Einarth, and Borri. Or else the graybeards would be dead, which they were not, but Parthrunaax is tho.
@@thearbender5529 you monster
“Colovian tinfoil helm and a handfull of grains from your salt pile” 👏👏👏🙌
Colovian tinfoil hat firmly on! I sometimes imagine Drew as a visiting Daedralogist in some college in Tamriel giving lectures like this one to the shock and horror of those attending. Good stuff.
So then technically all Nords are Dovahkiin.
Then why the hell is my Wood Elf archer called upon to end Alduin and deal with Miraak and all his nonsense while screaming at random people all over the frozen north….
Lazy ass Nords.
Yeah why tf was my khajiit running around sneaking and stealing and mingling with vampires and getting in the middle of a huge civil war when he could've been doing moon sugar damn it
Different pasts and futures of the elder scrolls. Only 1 has truly come to pass, while all other takes are the possible paths history could have took. If you think of the games themselves as elder scrolls, then it doesn't matter what race/gender or play style you used. Because only one dragon born slew Alduin. And canonically it will probably be a nord.
@@sirgideonofnir6840 yes just like neraverine was confirmed later on to be dunmer. Canon race is always one where game is set in, and trailer Nord is true dragonborn most likely.
You know why the true DB is actually a Nord? Because the innate cold resistance is the only way anyone could ever survive their first encounter with Frost Storm spell down a dungeon corridor. Never could have happened DB not be a Nord 0% chance without a quicksave.
@@DanielDykstraM omggg frost storm is the one spell in the game that irritates me the most lol
Taking all of this as literal canon, which it isn't, how would this account for the Nord's existence on Tamriel before Ysgramor's return with his companions? Kirkbride's list of companions references the Night of Tears, so the Return can't be the first time the Nords had crossed over from Lyg. Would their return to Atmora after the sacking of Sarthaal actually be the Nords moving backwards in the kalpic cycle to return to Lyg and rally their forces? How would that be possible if Lyg was destroyed? If the companions truly were dragons, would they then be so decoupled from linear time that they can not only move forward infinitly, but also transition backward through kalpas? Or maybe Lyg isn't necessarily backwards, it's just "adjacent" as it's described, so an sufficiently timeless entity can travel there.
Maybe it's just that ysgramor never did survive, it always seemed odd to me that elves killed everyone and let ysgramor and his son survive, maybe they died,
And Dragon Nords came from other calpa, were yielded as return of ysgramor.
@@fodspeed
What about Azidal? He came with Ysgramor and had his family in sarthaal. He was studying from the elven races when sarthaal was sacked.
later he enchanted the weapons of ysgramor and the 500 companions.
Jair Zeuske raises some very good points. and you would have to basically remove so much canon lore for this theory to work i just dont see it being true.
it is a cool fun theory but from my point of view simply not true
I'd see Lyg as a Kalpa older than Atmora. As it stands, it's as such: Lyg -> Yokuda -> Atmora -> Tamrial -> Akavri
This is because Lyg when discussed comes off as the oldest place in Mundus, despite the only deity having any connection to it being a Daedric Princess, who was created there rather than creating it.
Yokuda was a previous Kalpa that sank to the bottom of the ocean; it was a Kalpa that ended, and based on the info given, ended before the Atmorans showed up in Skyrim, as such, Atmora, if it is actually another Kalpa, but probably is, as I'm going at it next, wasn't just ready to end its Kalpic period.
Atmora, based on all the info given to us about the place after people stopped coming from it is a place completely covered in ice and snow and said to be "frozen in time". IF this frozen in time is literal or not. I remember some source (But I've forgotten where) said that the birds of Atmora were stuck in the air and the falling snow are in a perpetual downfall, as in they too are stuck in mid-air, unmoving. But, that was like one source that I've been unable to find once more.
But if what I just said about Atmora is true, why was its "destruction" so vastly different to the other two?
Why does time seem to completely stop in Atmora, while Yokuda sank and Lyg seemingly just cease to exist?
@@TheCerbari well it's possible that after night of tears when ysgramor traveled back to atmora, instead he was probably on lyg, and that's where he gather companions, or maybe lyg itself was just reference to atmora,
Think about, yokunda was a different calpah, it's reasonable to think that atmora is a different calpah as well,
Maybe when ysgramor went back to atmora and (drake aka dragon priests) didn't offer to help them, he gather five hundred companions and murder all of dragon priest on atmora and inturn brought the end to that calpah, as migration from atmora stopped after ysgramors return. what if the story of lyg was what happened at atmora. It's just an idea nothing more honestly.
One thing for sure ysgramor had close connection to alduin and dragon cult.
ysgramor was a likely dragon and he was alduin warlord (kohnarikk). I doubt alduin would made ysgramor into dragon priest, because he was a warlord, meant for fight, it's reasonable to think alduin made dragon or he always had been dragon, because that far exceed the abilities of dragon priest, beside from a conversation with ysgramor in ESO, he seemed not think too highly of dragon priests.
Interestingly enough, yngol was supposedly a dragon priest, as when you fight him Skyrim, you fight a unknown dragon priest. So it's safe to say ysgramor family had heavy ties with dragon cult.
@@fodspeed we do know multiple people gain the tittle of ysgramor so i feel like what you said would make a lot of sense.
A dragon returned and was hailed as ysgramor, sound familiar? When the dragonborn "returned" in TES V they were hailed as ysgramor. History repeats itself again.
Becoming dragon.....
Isn't that what Tosh Raka actually did?
Yeah and he planned of conquering Akavir and after setting his sights on Tamriel
Who is let's face it from that name some incarnation of Akatosh
@@cookeymonster83 Not bad. Wonder if it's written family name first, with Tosh being the family name. (Like how Dunmeri names are written backwards "Indoril Nerevar" being "Nerevar Indoril") If so he'd be Raka Tosh.
In the words of Dunevir. "You are timeless, your voice is strong and your spirit unyielding. You are dova en everything but body quanarin, that's why I granted you this title"
This just makes Nords even more epic than they were before
50% frost resistance and a once a day 'fear shout' is epic? Instead of epic, try useless.
How is the fear shout useless? It’s pretty helpful if you’re low health and you need your enemy to go away for a minute, and 50% frost resistance is pretty helpful specially in Dwemer and nord ruins.
@@e.k.9633 Those are just game mechanics. You're thinking to much into it. Just by lore alone makes the Nords cool.
@@randomguy2023 I prefer to just kill my enemies. Even on legendary Skyrim has only 2 difficult types of enemies in the really early stage and these are Mages and Dragons, so frostresistence alone doesn't get you far when there is still lightning and fire. And when I'm beyond that stage, every fight is just a one sided slaughter. Never needed them to run away. I like Skyrim, I have over 1500 hours in it, but it's too easy. Besides, this once a day ability is permanently available via magic, so it is useless to have. Rather go for something that's not so easy to obtain.
Well then it’s your opinion. Some people like to kill people faster and some people like to stay alive.
This definitely would help to explain the pretense and unique bloodline of Talos, the Amulet of Kings, the Septim Dynasty, and Martin's transfiguration.
The big hole in this theory is that Ysgramor is in Skyrim...a spirit in Sovngarde. And that we know Nord Humans co-habitated Tamriel alongside Dragons.
Maybe there were just 500 Companions and they did utterly annihilate the Snow Elves. Maybe Ysgramor was King of Atmora, and there were a lot more of them.
The 500 Companions were definitely not dragons though.
Your voice is so relaxing, and that paired with the soft relaxing skyrim music makes it perfect. I could watch for hours on end.
I wish we could get an Elder Scrolls game that takes place on a different continent. At this point, Bethesda is beating Tamriel to death.
That’s my guess as to where ES6 will take place. A different continent, with our characters being prisoners accused of dissertation from fleeing the second Great War. This way Bethesda won’t have to answer much of anything at all.
@@Zephrim1022I had no idea there was other continents. I just always thought they had like a Pangea thing going on lol
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Funny enough, some theorists believe Planet Nirn used to have a super continent, possibly Aldmeris, but that it was shattered into the continents we know today. Tamriel, Atmora and Yokuda to name a few.
That’s like saying ASOIAF is beating Westeros to death. Tamriel is just where the series takes place. The other continents are just there for lore purposes, and to be cloaked in mystery.
I have no real heritage to speak of. A bastard of mixes. But when that Sovngarde theme starts playing I feel it in my soul
Maybe I'm the dragonborn, who knows?
You are of the race of men so you are descended from Atmorans. That's why it stirs something in you :P
Drew don't spend to much time in the other realm's it's not good for you long term 😲
Holy skooma, this the kind of stuff i ramble on and on about by myself whilst playing or just thinking about the game. It's good to find a challenge this rich in content. I am happy. Thank you. I wish i would've found you sooner
Bethesda should just hire you guys to write lore or something at this point, your lore scripts are all so well written and well voice acted
They are really good
This really helps solidify the the lore behind the Dragon Born, and how they seem to be genetically related to dragons.
It's neat hearing about previous kalpas, like how Umaril's father was a god of a world before this one. How many kalpas have there been, and how many beings survived the re-birthing of the world? Fun stuff to think about in my spare time
Maybe the number of kalpas are infinite? Or maybe it is like whenever you restart the game and create a new character you create a new kalpa. If you are into modding the game then the rules may change as well.
Also, conceivably every kalpa would change the survivors in some way, so every iteration is altered, yet there is a continuation of struggle. The more things change, the more they remain the same.
The wording in this video is nearly song-like. Incredible work.
Lorkhan is a hero and good sort. Screw any Elves denying that! Argonions are one of the greatest Races! Hail Talos and the Stormcloaks!!!
Hail brother. Good to see a friendly face in such times.
Poggers lizard people are poggers
This one thinks Drrew hits too much of the skooma, yes?
Shegorath the skooma cat shall come for him
This one thinks the furball forgets about the Ka'Po'Tun who learned how to became a dragon in Akavir. Nobody else is known to have learned it in Akavir, so what if his knowledge came from somewhere else? That's what this one wonders... The Hist would know, but they haven't seen fit to tell this one. Oh well. This one has trees and herbs to tend to once the sun rises.
@@__jonbud______________________ this one eating too much moons sugar it makes them say the random thing that brings shegorath closer
@@cpt.arctourus7950 Sheogorath? Rest assured that this one only eats moonsugar if it's been mixed with sweetest of all saps so that he doesn't end up with a big head. No. This one knows only three masters. Sithis, the Hist, and above all Uncle Sanguine.
@@__jonbud______________________ this one respects your belief I am soldier of lady nocturnal as he agree with the ownership of the small shiny coins the furless ones make
Absolutely fantastic. Ive been hooked on all the Fudge muppet lore vids for the past few months now (Im late to the party, I know) but this one was especially exceptional for some reason.
Side note from the opening shot: Bethsoft really should have had more moving boats in the bigger waters. Even if they didnt offer any real elements other than visual effects or a different, albeit slower (non fast travel) means of moving from cities near major water ways
Haven't had one of your videos recommended in probably 2 years.. definitely appreciated.
The framing of this video is great. It could very easily come from an NPC in the games.
I kinda do buy this theory, if you also buy the one about the redguards "side stepping" or whatever to the next kalpa.. that would kinda explain how the 2 races came out of nowhere
Imagine if that's what dwemer did...
"An interesting theory. But as usual, the credulous minds gravitate to the most outlandish theories.
If Ysgramor was indeed a "dragon", most likely he was a Dragon Priest - in the Late Merethic Era, it would be unlikely for a leader of Ysgramor's reported stature to be unconnected to the Dragon Cult. But connecting the Nord hero Ysgramor with the now-reviled Dragon Cult is of course anathema to those who favor chauvinism over historical truth.
Other possibilities are that Ysgramor was not an individual but an amalgamation of several people - his reported exploits encompass an unreasonable amount of time for a single individual. At the time, anyone of high stature or great prowess in battle would have been considered a "dragon" (the highest compliment imaginable). This does not mean that Ysgramor was in fact an actual dragon, but I have no doubt that the literal-minded among us will not hesitate to jump to the most obvious conclusions. True scholars will of course be more circumspect. -Hasphat Antabolis"
Kurt Kuhlmann said this, still a fun theory though
Tbh the Dragon Cult wrecks a load of other lore, I don't like it at all although the Dragon Priests in game are cool
What about the fact that you see Ysgramor in Sovngarde?
@@Alex-mq6qi it is pretty reasonable to assume a dragon could take on humanoid form if one wanted to but yeah seems like evidence against to me
@@Alex-mq6qi TLD has human shape, even while in Sovngarde, despite having the soul of a dragon. That's effectively meaningless.
I know that the Nords are most strongly influenced by vikings, but the dragon-cult stuff always had a strong Egyptian feel to me and I love the combination of Norse and Egyptian vibes that you get from ancient Nord ruins and dragon priests.
Not really. Viking priests were druids and they saw dragons as these great god beings that were revered. It makes perfect sense. Christianity demonised them which is why in the west they are seen as monsters.
@@cookeymonster83 druids were a Celtic social class, not Viking priests
The ancient nordic ruins were also influenced by celtic and anglo-saxon burial grounds called "Barrows". Some of these barrows in England and Ireland look pretty similar to the ancient nordic barrows.
Isn't it deconfirmed that he isn't a dragon since we meet him in Sovngarde
Maybe he used to be one and became mortal and since he now has a mortal soul that was able to pass into the afterlife.
Love this theory. It made me think of an old book series by "Richard A Knaak", called the Dragonrealm. Where the world is ruled by Dragon Lords, and their origin is they were mages from another dimension who mutated into dragons. Great series, I highly recommend it.
It's a solid theory and makes a lot of sense.
I wonder how they are going to handle potential dragons when ES6 comes out. Perhaps that age will be expanded upon.
In D&D dragons take human form to interact with mortal races all the time. This is the first time I've heard of them being able to do this in Skyrim lore, but it's a pretty awesome idea
38 seconds in and i realized i forgot to comprehend when was being said
Ive been playing the elder scrolls longer than i could go on the internet (13 years or so) and im still learning and delvin into tamriels storys.. i love it
Also, this makes me want to finally play a nord patriot
Time to start up your 749198593rd play through.
@@TeekoPrime with a dragon name
Been playing that way since Morrowind.
Started playing again yesterday after not playing in months and I’m home sick today and bored, THANK YOU!!! 🙏🏼
FudgeMuppet: Intro starts
Drew:Speaks
Me: Ahhhhhhh
My exact reaction, hahaha!
But hey, that’s just a theory, a thane theory. Thanks for watching!
Thank you fudgemuppet. I always enjoy when you take us back to the merethic times, and the first era. I'm on my second playthrough and I can't help but wonder what skyrim was like during that time.
I can listen to that Sovngarde music all day long.
I mean, the theory is definitely a solid one. Some other things to consider-
1. Most Tongues who use Shouts in the game were Nords. They have the talent, some more than others.
2. Miraak was a Nord and the first dragonborn.
3. Ulfric is a Nord who used his power of the Shout to kill the High King in combat.
4. Tiber Septim a.k.a Talos. Need I say more?
5. Even the shout Dragonrend that was used to defeat Alduin the first time was used by the three legendary Nord warriors. Yes, they were taught how to Shout by Paarthurnax, but they were the ones to create a Shout successfully and use it. Humans. They did something that was originally only done by dragons. Shouting is their way of communicating, after all. The only way they could do it is if they had dragon blood in them as well, which they would if they were descendant from Ysgramor and the 500, lending further credibility to this theory.
I don't know about you guys, but a lot of signs point to this being the origin story for the Nords. Good stuff.
You know i always wondered how elves considered themselves to be the only Aedra descendants when both them and man came from the elnofay. This plus the fact that nords were able to learn the thu'um I think pretty much proves that you're on to something!
On the off chance Drew, Michael, or Scott actually read this post. I'd love to one day hear your thoughts on the constellations and how they are connected to the Magna Gi (sorry for spelling idk how you spell it. The people that followed magnus and made the stars when they fled Mundus.) Particularly the Snake constellation since it literally moves across the sky harassing all the other constellations.
@@thomaswalker8621 oh yeah? I've never heard of this. Do you happen to know what in-game book I can look up or Fudge Muppet video maybe that says that? I'm not disagreeing, it's been a long time since I've played Elder Scrolls so that could have slipped my memory, but I could have sworn that with the exception of a dragonborn only Nords could use the Thu'um.
@@thomaswalker8621 well yeah of course anyone can learn a language but that doesn't mean they can harness the magic in the words and create a shout.
You make a good point with the Ebony Warrior, but just one specific character can be explained away as him also being a Dragonborn. As far as imperials and Breton, again my memory could be failing me, but I don't recall any imperials or Bretons shouting that aren't the dragonborn. But if there are, the fact that you mention the nord heritage kind of proves my own point I think.
That's why I'm curious if there is some canon source or a Fudge Muppet video that you know of where they explicitly state that anyone can shout without having to be nord or Dragonborn. Because I thought the lore stated that Kyne gave the nords the ability to do it and parthurnaax taught them how.
@@thomaswalker8621 you're ignoring the possibility I suggested that he is also a dragonborn though. One redguard knowing the thu'um doesn't mean any redguard can. Basically all I'm hearing is it is your opinion that anyone can learn it but until some canon source or Fudge Muppet video is produced that supports your claim I'm going to just have to assume that you're not correct. :/
@@thomaswalker8621 that's another great point. I also went ahead and started Googling this for myself since I was so intrigued, and I now officially concede and say you are correct after all. My confusion is that the thu'um is culturally significant to the nords and not other races, and not that other races can't learn it. I think we both deserve a high five for having a whole debate without resulting to the typical internet arguing lol
@@thomaswalker8621 but wait! What about the EW being Ebonarm? 🤔🤔🤔
Another example of beautiful story telling! Thanks so much for these I eat em up like sweet rolls! I hope I can learn to write and present like yourself! Great work buddy!
4:30 my initial reaction: "Whoa! Dragons, Drew? Ysgramor? Oh this is gonna be a good one, lets see what you got.
This will drastically change, not only my view of the nords the dragons and skyrim in general; it will change my next nordic playthrough. I love the apocrypha documentary btw I love you two dudes as well. You breathe life and bring new understanding and make people question common opinion of this aging game and the franchise. You guys are awesome
An ancient Nord legend recounts the tale of Alduin's mother, Argen. They say she dominated over the Nords of Skyrim in the early days of Tamriel, before the great cities and even before the Dwemer had emerged from their holes. Her divine fire rained down from the stars, cauterizing the rifts of the earth and binding the world together. Her tail swept the dust into mountains and her gleaming claws tore the gashes that became mighty rivers. Her eyes were the moon and sun and the aurora was the sparks she snorted from her nose.
One day, she was approached by the wolverine. "Where have you been and why have you come?" asked Argen. "I've come from the forest where I have been wandering to and fro seeking that which bests me." the wolverine said, pacing restlessly. Argen chuckled deep in her throat, shaking the foundations of the earth. "You have found that which you seek."
"I have found no such challenge, for who on Nirn could match my strength?"
Argen recoiled angrily, eyes narrowed and lips pulled back to reveal her jagged teeth. "You are in her presence, weasel! If you fancy yourself most powerful, you've met with your disappointment!"
Unperturbed, the wolverine sighed resignedly. "Alas, the mammoth's trunk is mightier than my nose and the man's mind can trap me, but even your cavernous maw is no match for my adamantine jaws. It is no fault of yours, but I fear I'm to remain unrivaled in this domain.
Argen scoffed, sending tidal waves ripping across the seas. "The strength of your jaws is outstripped by the strength of your lips. Your hubris is no credit to you, neither will your bragging save you the humiliation of failure. Bite here on this trunk." Argen indicated a nearby log of immense length and diameter. "I will bite the other end and we will engage in a contest of strength, then your humiliation will be complete!"
The wolverine complied and the two adversaries took up the log, each on their own end. Argen began to pull. The sinew in her neck stretched and her muscles bulged but the wolverine was unmoved. The stalwart wolverine did not grunt or struggle but simply remained still. Argen released the log in bitter annoyance.
"You are supposed to pull on the log, it is a contest of strength!" Argen spat with contempt. "If that is the contest, I've already won." the wolverine replied assuredly.
Argen's eyes flashed with fury. She rose up to her full height and opened her mouth wide enough to consume the whole of mundus. The trees, the oceans, the mountains, and the whole of Mundus were engulfed and Argen swallowed the realm in her great wrath. Consumed too, was the wolverine.
When all was finished, Argen prepared herself for a great sleep to settle her meal. She lay herself down and slipped into dreams.
But as she slept, the wolverine worked his awful mandibles with terrible efficiency until at last, Mundus came spilling forth from her body, the wolverine having rent her belly open. The wolverine's jaws continued their grizzly work as he consumed the scales and the soft flesh, the horns and the bones, the teeth and the entrails. And when the body of Argen was fully gorged and nothing remained, the wolverine even lapped up the lifeblood from the dust.
Once again finding none it's equal, the wolverine set to roaming Nirn, casting about for one to test his jaws.
*annotation* - To this day, the wolverine is known as "stormcloak" for the stormy cape on its back, a name which still carries a mythical importance to the Nords of Skyrim.
Great info!
What if the barrows and dragon priests are actually left over from a previous Kalpa where the dragons ruled for way longer than they did in Tamrielic history?
The theory really made sense to me when we hear that Ysgramor and the five hundred proceeded to burn all snow elf cities to the ground, so much so that there is nothing left of them. The Nords returned seeking revenge and it makes sense that an army looking to annihilate another race would destroy their cities too, but I think this theory adds so much more to that. Because they were/are dragons, it was very natural for them to think, "let's go burn their cities to nothing" as it would be easy to do as dragons. The stories of them winning battle after battle and the snow elven people losing all hope and seeking help from the dwemer makes so much more sense when you think of the nords figuratively or literally as dragons flying across the lands burning everything. So COOL!
That also could just be cuz they lived under dragons for so long. Look at the African Americans in the US. They lived for so long under slavery that they became what they wanted them to be. The dragons didn’t “live” with men. They enslaved them. They forced them to be what they wanted. Idk maybe a bad example but it’s the best one I got.
I love speculation like this
Kirkbride is so entertaining to read, and you present his ideas so clearly.
Really interesting stuff.
... And, lest we never forget Ragnar the Red.
This theory does make sense as to how a Dragonborn can "devour" the soul of a dragon. Kind of like how Alduin "devours" the souls of those outside of Shors' Hall. The inverse of each other?
11:10 I understood that reference Mellon
THE most AMAZING wowzers CRAZY theory you’ve NEVER heard before!!!!!!
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I really love your deep dives into the "Skyrim" lore, great job as usual!
I love Drew's presentations and this is my favourite so far. The theory feels right, it fits in my mind like a warrior's mantle upon her shoulders. Especially the idea that Elves (the snobs) would perpetuate the idea that they are superior, descended from gods and the Aetherium while Men are mundane, lesser beings. Propaganda that may be based not in truth but in lesser, baser motivations.
Let me offer you this tidbit. The elves were the wandering elnofey that were scattered with no knowledge of their return to divinity. The old elnofey were the humans who skipped into the current kalpa, whether it was nords or redguards, one or both of them could have done so. Propaganda just reversed the roles, or history obscured them.
Elven propaganda would then work *very* hard to prove that humans cannot attain divinity like they did in ages past. I’m sure trying to erase a human ascending to godhood would be at the top of their list.
This is why I love the Elder Scrolls. Even in "modern" times with the games, nothing is well know, and myth and magic are so seeped into everything. We will never know the "whole" truth, but that also means we will never stop learning more about this fascinating world
This makes me just as confused as watching those advanced physic videos. Great vid, may the Divines bless the ES series an immortal life indeed.
Man, why is Drew so damn good at lulling me into his mythic lore and theories? My man is gonna be father of the year whenever he gets to tell his kids bedtime stories.
i think ysgramor and the boys were dragons, yngol who was a draugr: wtf dad
Another amazing video, you guys at fudgemuppet honestly make the best skyrim content out there second to none, the passion for the elder scrolls universe shines bright in every video thanks guys ♥️
You ever try and read The Silmarillion? Yeah, this is the RUclips version of that.
@Keegan Dilley Even though the first 1/4 is the best bit. It reads like the book of genesis which is also a fun story.
I do love your videos. Sometimes it's a bit hard to keep up, and I do wish that, since we're so used to reading in Skyrim to gain knowledge, can you put up the texts you read from when you quote? It would help some viewers so much, I think, especially for me who cannot always tell when a quote ends or begins. I also have much better comprehension when reading. Thank you, if you read this!
Now this all just begs the question on what the difference between achieving draco-chrysalis and achieving CHIM is?
One is being timeless and the other is becoming an all-powerful and immortal being, aka a God
CHIM seems to allow you to adjust and manipulate who you are in the dream, while Dracochrysalis seems to result in you remaining as your absolute best self in the dream permanently, like that one thing that you can remember about the dream even after you wake up because it stands out absolutely amongst the murk and mire.
awesome theory! also some really funny lines in there haha can’t wait for more!
that’s one hell of a click bait title let see if it’s earned
Was it?
@@cholestroll8937 lets see, it hasnt been 30 mins yet
@@turtleneck6630 How is it?
@@prime_optimus its worth it, i wont spoil alot tho
The title did not lie about the it being crazy. It is a bit too crazy for my me to see Skyrim differently.
“They were dragons”
Not what I was expecting, but you have my attention
This theory makes dragons almost sound like Magna Ge who sided with Lorkhan
Hmmm... what if...?
Ever since EpicNate stopped posting youtube dropped all skyrim content from my recommended. Im so glad to be back and have so many great videos to catch up on. Thank you Fudge for continuing your quest in curiosity!
I think the Nords don't get enough credit for having their legacy tied to a divine language given to them by their Creator God, Kyne/Akatosh. Being tied to something so powerful its mere propagation warps reality to match it as it echoes outwards.
It's one thing to have your species be tied to a God, or some great kind of magic, it's another to be connected to an entire force of nature, or rather law of physics.
Because that's what the Thu'um is, or rather what Tonal Architecture is, a law of physics.
This and the video about Water Memory are so good. This channel has always delivered pure gold since day 1.
Since you guys made the build the Shezarrine it's made me look at Skyrim differently that you as Dragonborn is a Shezarrine
The Last Dragonborn = Shazzar = Talos = Shor = Lorkhan = Sithis (for Dark Brotherhood purposes)
All are the same being, and simultaneously exist as one. All of Lorkhan's iterations are true, and exist as one amalgamated being. Like the other Gods.
Kinda poetic that we are Lorkhan (basically) and Alduin (which is still Akatosh) is killed by us. Serves Auriel right for killing us in the first place. Further proving the dynamic that Auriel and Lorkhan have as polar opposites for one another. Thanks to their "greater forms."
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The other thing is that Lorkhan is Sithis' Soul. They're not even the same being, one was born out of the other. Sithis exists as a brainless, empty void that simply exists because because, with no conscious thought or personality.
Lorkhan on the other hand has opinions and goals, and actively seeks to achieve his objectives.
Tsun, one of the forms of Zenithar, even tells the Dragonborn that Shor doesn't recognize being a follower of Sithis as a legitimate reason to enter Sovengarde.
So even though Sithis is essentially Lorkhan's father, he wants near to nothing to do with him, and actively derides you for thinking your worship is acceptable.
on the kirbride rant: my opinion is a lot of people hold kirkbride above what's in the game, my rule is "if the games/novels contradict, the games/novels gain priority" so if Kirkbride said that Ysgramor was a dragon, and the games explicitly said he wasn't, then he wasn't, if the games don't conflict then he was until they do conflict
I kinda wish they didn't axe some of the more interesting races of man like the Korthringi. Playing as the metallic men of Blackmarsh would've been an interesting experience.
Could've possibly given them a 25% resistance to all melee weapons with a 25% vulnerability to Frost magics and Enchantments.
I like it. I've always wondered how that massive longboat got to Whiterun. I could understand wanting to set up shop beside the neat-o ancient forge, but my best guess was that maybe part of the Whiterun hold had been underwater in the long-distant past. It would have been far easier to transport wood down the river from the Riverwood area than to lug or cart a giant longboat that far into the interior, with mountains on two sides and no roads yet built. Flying it in on dragon wings strikes me as the only other sensible alternative. Thanks for giving me something new to overthink!
Ys Grah Moro. My mind is blown.
Just like you were saying Mancar Camoran became a dragonborn with the razor, the last calpa and trip to Skyrim might have made them dragonborn. Would explain the shouting battle with the ghosts for his son and the power they used to absolutely destroy the elven powers in Skyrim and make them afraid enough to give up sight and freedom to hide with the dwarves
Drew could read me an essay on grass, and I'd still listen every second. Also what ice texture mod are you using friend?
I still like that all dragons have 3 name parts
Ys-gra-mor
Al-du-in
Par-thu-nax
Do-vah-kin
An-ca-no
...wait a minute
I just realized that Alduin tried to eat the souls of NORDS to gain power. The Dragonborn has to eat dragon souls to gain power. What if Alduin is the same?
Dragonborn is nothing different than a dragon, he is a dragon just not in dragon form,
I honestly believe all dragonborn can gain dragon form eventually, but beside the point.
All dragon are the same, you can't ever kill a dragon or dragonborn, they are fragment of each other, so a dragonborn can absorb dragon soul just as dragon would if he kills a dragonborn or dragon, but no one is killing each other, just reconnecting them to himself, as all of them are akatosh fragments.
That's why you absorb miraak soul when he dies,
@@fodspeed I do think that only another dragon can truly kill a dragon. Like yeah their physical body can be killed but their soil can live on. That's why Miraak was able to live for so long. He needed the body of another Dragonborn to live on. Testicle Prince needed a Dragonborn to absorb Miraaks soul otherwise he'd never leave, Talos never really died because his soul was never absorbed. I wonder if once the dovakin actually physically dies would all the souls they've absorbed be released and they could be reborn. Maybe that's why Alduin wants to kill your body and seems not to care about absorbing your soul. I think he'd poop himself if we actually gained a dragon form and fought him like that.
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I think it's quite simple, dragonborn are much like Dragons, if anyone other than a dragonborn or dragon kills a dragonborn, I don't think they will die, and they can be resurrected much like Dragons.
It's also questionable if dragonborn can actually die or age, since miraak was a dragonborn born and he lived in apocrypha for thousands of years and he didn't aged at all.
Other theory is that,
it's possible that once a dragonborn that have as many soul as us die, he will just, he would transform into a aspect of akatosh aka dragon much like martin septim.
Because amulet of king was noting more than a soul gem created from blood of lorkhan, which was then Instilled with power of akatosh
Amulet contains the soul of all the previous dragonborn emperors that died, and martin septim used them to turn into akatosh aspect.
It's likely that when dragon dies, he will shred his mortal limits and turn into a dragon, empowered by all the dragon souls we have,
Because no dragon can be killed, they always live on as the current of time itself,
This can be hard debunked. The in game book "Ynjol and the Sea-Ghosts" clearly identifies Ysgramor's kin Yngol as a being that would require a ship to travel on the ocean.