@Steve Fox I also use Manjaro on one of my PCs, but also Arch/Plasma on a few machines. I love the whole ecosystem of arch (Manjaro based on Arch, obviously).
@@hotstovejer how can you slot a computer into a motheboard? do you mean into the case? on the case of course you can, dual systems are common this days. EDIT: I just saw it teared appart and I don't think so. PCIE 3 has a 75W power limmit, so in PCIE3 I don't think you can
@@santiagoferrari1973 What do you mean? He means plug in the NUC compute module into a motherboard. It's literally a Xeon on a PCIe x16 card. This has a power cable to the compute module, as well.
There actually are SFF motherboards, CPU boards and entire ecosystems based on AMD processors. They're just at the OEM/ ODM level, as in, you can't buy them unless you want a minimum order of 1000+. I don't think any company has released retail products.
Yeah id like to see a reasonably priced system that actually performs jammed into a dan A4 package myself instead of intels once again rehashed old as dirt silicon resold and resold and resold at rediculous prices.
It's fantastic to watch a RUclips reviewer who thinks about people doing actual work on their computer (and Linux!), and not just gaming, gaming, gaming. Thank you.
It wouldn't be that hard since they already do ITX boards, they could probably get a right angle pcie adapter and have the GPU mounted sideways so the case can be smaller too.
@@choomaque If by "customers" you mean the vocal, entitled, enthusiasts who want their ultra-niche use cases catered to, no, those customers can be safely ignored. OEMs should make whatever sells.
ok maybe its just me but I love how every PC build/hobby video I watch right now has unreal quality video - for a guy explaining something at a desk. its weird but I don't mind
@@hansenlechler4305 yeah I think so. As long as I can keep it quiet and stable. I do like my current gen nuc but that thing can get loud. Especially with five different browsers open 50 tabs a browser lol
I would love to put a nice 10G Ethernet Card in that PCI-E Slot and run this as router hardware for home! Definitely more energy efficient than my Westmere Xeon powered IBM X Server I'm currently using for that task.
oh u can, but it won't function the way it should be used, for instance the compute element will run, but it can't communicate with a gpu nearby, just the internal, but since xeons dont have igpus u are stuck with the overpriced nuc here, the ghost canyon with the i5, i7 and i9 will run just fine, the quartz canyon / xeon probably not
I've always liked the Intel NUC and other SFF PCs. Hopefully this gets upgraded down the road which will reveal that it's a product that'll stay for many years. (: This expansion is why I doubt Apple will ever build something like this.
Also why would you worry about Optane??? Just get a V-NAND Samsung Nvme which has read writes of like 3500mbs. I have one in my NUC Bean Canyon 8th gen i7 and my NUC boots from push button to start menu in 3 seconds no joke. 1, 2, 3 and boom my login screen is there. Runs editing software and games just fine with no latency. Optane is a headache. Id buy one of these Ghist Canyon NUCs and instal MacOS on one NVME and have another Nvme with Windows. Dual operating system mini editing rig.
I feel like they should've made the NUC or at least the STX form factor like this from the start. Like a tiny Mobo, but with PCI-E fingers on one end to allow for expansion with a daughter board like this one. Wouldn't have taken up much space and made for a very versatile tiny form factor while still being tiny.
I have seen quit a few businesses using the NUC even now, mostly in offices, tugged behind the monitor and safing a lot of space (and being quieter). But for many of them the computestick would have been sufficient, but seems people do not know of its existence, specially when i see government-organisations ordering thousands of basically already outdated machines..... for example i know that the whole segment of education here has basically old, outdated hardware. The "current" laptops they have are mostly ivybridge, but not from that time but bought 2-3 years ago.
Laptops have been marketed as having 20GB of "RAM" for a while now. (4GB RAM + 16GB Optane) I think it's very misleading myself, but it does really help the spinning rust.
I just want it for the potential decent gaming experience at your friend's place on a weekend evening - take a hike gaming laptops, I can carry that in a backpack as well
It would be really really neat if Intel were to improve on this design by allowing the user to add a second CPU "module", so doubling of the core count can be a thing. Better yet: base-boards to interconnect multiple CPU / GPU modules. Quad CPU module cluster-compute anyone?!
Why would a Xeon/Quadro user sacrifice so much (performance, thermals, acoustics, upgradability, price...) to save a little bit of space??? Is saving a space so high on a priority list for professionals?
I've been eye'ing one of these for a car computer. I have wanted to do some AR automatic camera switching and object identification for my RVs onboard surround view camera system. The price is yikes though.
I wonder if AMD is going to do something similar. PCIe 4.0 on this would be amazing. If they implemented proper 4.0 to 3.0 with bifurcation, we'd have 32 PCIe lanes suitable for modern devices; yes I know 4.0 NVMe cards exist, but is there really that much of a performance gain currently? Another thing that would help is having more lanes from the CPU, which I think AMD might be willing to up lane counts, but we all know Intel won't move off of 16 lanes on mobile chips, not until NVMe _really_ takes over the consumer market and additional lanes become a basic requirement. Just for reference, without TB, 32 lanes would be just enough for the 4x slot, 16x slot, and 3 NVMe cards to run on the CPU alone. If we don't care about two NVMe cards being on the chipset instead of the CPU, we can open those lanes up for the TB ports on the CPU, assuming both ports are their own x4 link and not two ports sharing one x4 link. Because of NVMe and external PCIe (TB and USB4, names might get confusing for awhile), lane counts are becoming extremely limiting; most laptops only really have room for a dGPU _or_ external PCIe when the system has NVMe drives, but upping lane count would allow for dGPU _and_ ePCIe with NVMe. I almost want to see Dell take a shot at putting the CPU and chipset on their MXM successor. Power delivery and cooling difficulties aside, having an upgradable CPU would be huge for the mobile space. You'd have brand agnostic manufacturers, as the system is no longer dependent on if it's using an Intel or AMD CPU, as it would be on an add-in card; much like how Dell is already doing this with a range of both Nvidia and AMD GPUs with their MXM successor they've been using for a year or two now. You'd also be cutting down on ewaste, as a chassis, and all of it's relative components (AC/DC components, peripherals, port daughterboards, etc.), can be used for a much longer time compared to it's upgradable components; this would also cut down on a lot of money waste with having 50 different models when you could have one barebones chassis with different add-in cards. I know this NUC isn't a chip-on-board solution, more of a system-on-board solution, but maybe this could evolve into a cob solution, where instead of a system being socket-dependant, it's only dependent on a PCIe interface to other components, as you'd have the CPU and chipset, along with other relevant components, localized to the cob. Probably more of a pipe dream than a future reality, but I think this is a good way forward for all parts of the industry and market. I also wonder if we'll see anyone try to make a compute cluster out of these. It makes sense, have a PCIe and power backplane, and plug these in. I'm sure Intel has no support for multi-chip computing over the PCIe bus, but it'd be a cool thing to see eventually. Which this also makes sense for businesses that want to have a closet server but still have individual systems. This design really does seem more server oriented than what they're marketing it as.
Does that processor have the same vulns that Intel has either decided not to fix, Is being paid not to fix (by the big 5 sided building outside the DC --- or NSA??) or???? I have one of the earlier NUC's (Skull Canyon)... Still running solidly on the original 10 install (which took about 2 minutes from a fast thumb drive)...
seen a couple videos on these new nuc's and I've gotta say really surprised with the cooling performance they've done ace job ........ now to try and convince the gaffer to spill a bit on one of these..... and also a CNC ....and maybe a nice lathe........ oh and some materials to make shit with or the rest of that stuff would be pretty useless lol.
OPTANE ONLY accelerate the C: drive , so only if u install softwere or games on the C : drive and it needs to be big to be of any help the OPTANE , THEY SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT PART
i love this things shame amd didn't join the party... i own NUC8I7HVK and honestly if they only invested just Little bit more in the cooling it wold have been awesome i don`t know why for consumers they basically sell you hardware you cant relay use, the cooling cant keep up unless you ame add a leaf blower at his intake
There’s been so many years of NUC that the concept seems almost silly now with micro systems that are just laptop boards in a micro case and piles of systems that are NUC sized. At this point shouldn’t they just call them “a desktop PC decent for most normal folk and not too bad for nerdy specific jobs” ... and it’s just a size? :)
i think 10g just takes up to much room, i got a thunderbolt 3 10gig nic, its still pretty big. www.sonnettech.com/product/solo10g-sfp-tb3/overview.html
So would Intel Optane not work if I wanted to put a hypervisor on this like ESXI if it needs the Win10 app/driver ? Currently have the regular NUC running a few VMs and that's pretty nice
Why? It's a niche market. You don't make money catering to a niche market...unless it's a boutique niche market, as in, people willing to pay a significant premium for boutique products.
Intel must have realized their original NUC concepts weren't selling very well and decided to repackage the idea of an expandable desktop PC in their own semi-proprietary form factor.
Nah, they are expanding the lineup as the NUCs have been rather successful. For most office work they are more than powerful enough while taking up way less space.
Well, Optane just became even less useful now that you need to use the Microsoft store to get it. I would just set it as 32gb of dedicated swap space and remove all the swap from the NAND.
Intel'sl use for Optane sucks but those little 16 and 32GB phase change storage cards are great for use as boot drives for high availability devices like pfsense and freeNAS.
He has a point, but his argument of "companies want a vendor to turn to for support" is pretty weak too. How could this thing compete with HP, Dell or Lenovo SFF systems at half the price?
@TechGuy Because then, AMD would have to buy into an Intel designed, semi-proprietary form factor and have some third party manufacturer build hardware for it. AMD has it's own thing based on industry standards. It's called mini-ITX and STX. If you have issues with where it's going, I suggest you talk to AMD directly.
@@ABaumstumpf Even if they would make a non compatible copy they most likely be sued for patent infringement. No Matter who would win it would still be a pain.
@@ABaumstumpf Neither does Intel. But to be fair, this isn't really an industry-standard spec at all. It probably does use a lot of industry specs, like CPU daughter cards and PCIe splitters, which has been around for a loooong time. But NUCs aren't exactly flying off shelves and AMD has a far more limited development budget. They need to focus on stuff that earns them money, not boutique niche products like this.
Alternatively an xmg laptop with up to a 3950x. Smaller, faster, cheaper in terms of performance and comes with peripherals. Without a doubt a bulky laptop, but man that 3950x in it, is sexy! www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/xmg-apex-15-notebook-packs-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-16-core-desktop-cpu/amp/
Business: Can you DIY a machine with similar performance, for cheaper? DIYer: Yes, absolutely. Business: Can you DIY 100 to 300 machines with similar performance, for cheaper? We need them in the next 3 to at most 14 days. DIYer: (no reply, because it is obvious he can't do it). Before you throw c*p at me, I like DIYing. For myself I always DIY, but when it comes to businesses, time constraints and even time costs (you got to pay both employees who aren't as productive as they can be, because they are waiting for things like rendering and you also need to pay the assembler of the PCs, which could spend his time doing other things), you are actually losing money by making things yourself.
I enjoy your videos because you give your opinion, but You EARNED a downvote for this video. How hard is it to include the model number of the NUC you reviewed and a full list of specs in the description? Yes you go over the specs, but you didn't list the model number for the Xeon NUC. Also I would have liked to see you test the Thunderbolt 3 ports using an adapter for the older thunderbolt 2 standard. If anyone is like me they already have older thunderbolt 2 enclosures. Not all thunderbolt implementations are equal either in the case of Gigabyte's Titan Ridge does not support the older thunderbolt 1 and 2 devices because they left the code out of the motherboard bioses that use Titan Ridge. Intel states Thunderbolt 3 is backwards compatible, but does not tell anyone that manufactures can choose to not support backwards compatibility. My biggest annoyance of videos of systems/motherboards with thunderbolt 3 is no one tests the actual ports.
Never thought I'd hear 'relatively recent kernel' and 'Debian' in the same sentence
Maybe that's for the unstable or testing version of debian, but still...
@Steve Fox I also use Manjaro on one of my PCs, but also Arch/Plasma on a few machines. I love the whole ecosystem of arch (Manjaro based on Arch, obviously).
This is what the Mac mini should have been.
Edit 12:45 Wendell just said the same thing.
SFF is neat, I really hope ryzen APUs get some more attention in the next few generations
There have been some UCFF (NUC formfactor) machines with Ryzen. In due time I fully expect someone like SimplyNYC to build a Ryzen compute ellement
Throw in a 10gig nic and make the most overkill pfsense box ever.
When I saw this idea, I wondered if you could slot this into a motherboard and use it as a second machine running your tower.
@@hotstovejer how can you slot a computer into a motheboard? do you mean into the case? on the case of course you can, dual systems are common this days. EDIT: I just saw it teared appart and I don't think so. PCIE 3 has a 75W power limmit, so in PCIE3 I don't think you can
or mini server!
@@santiagoferrari1973 What do you mean? He means plug in the NUC compute module into a motherboard. It's literally a Xeon on a PCIe x16 card. This has a power cable to the compute module, as well.
Now you're thinking !
Would like to see what AMD could do with their version of one of those.
I'd be all over this if it had a 3950X.
There actually are SFF motherboards, CPU boards and entire ecosystems based on AMD processors. They're just at the OEM/ ODM level, as in, you can't buy them unless you want a minimum order of 1000+. I don't think any company has released retail products.
@@SomeTechGuy666 Not going to happen. Why? Thermals and power. Think more mobile Ryzen.
@@namyun2743 The 3950x is half the power of the Xeon used in this product. Especially under light load.
Yeah id like to see a reasonably priced system that actually performs jammed into a dan A4 package myself instead of intels once again rehashed old as dirt silicon resold and resold and resold at rediculous prices.
Seriously, Intel needs to reverse the PCIe layout of the CPU card so the other side of the PCB is used.
I wish all the reviewers would have said this. It seems like an obvious advantage, and I haven't heard a single mention.
@@vickas54 Amen brother, spread the word to all the other review comments like I am. :)
Who would have guessed the coolest thing intel will do in recent times is release a new NUC. This thing is sick.
It's not a proper lunch box without a handle and Power Rangers printed on the side.
It's fantastic to watch a RUclips reviewer who thinks about people doing actual work on their computer (and Linux!), and not just gaming, gaming, gaming. Thank you.
10gbe would make it complete.
add a thunderbolt 3 10gbe nic , i think thats why they gave you 2 thunderbolt 3 ports.
I wish AsRock would make a SFF barebone for AMD cpus and have a x16 pcie slot. Sort of an (easily) upgradable DeskMini...would be sweet
It wouldn't be that hard since they already do ITX boards, they could probably get a right angle pcie adapter and have the GPU mounted sideways so the case can be smaller too.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 If you're talking about using standarized components, this is all on the case manufacturers, everything else already exists.
And of course, you'll get idiots trying to shoehorn in a 2080ti into it without any consideration for power or thermals.
@@choomaque better gfx performance, required additional power. Supply n input.
Nothing is for free, and not forgetting sizes constraints
@@choomaque If by "customers" you mean the vocal, entitled, enthusiasts who want their ultra-niche use cases catered to, no, those customers can be safely ignored. OEMs should make whatever sells.
ok maybe its just me but I love how every PC build/hobby video I watch right now has unreal quality video - for a guy explaining something at a desk. its weird but I don't mind
NUCs are nifty little machines. This one seems...too large, somehow. :-) But yeah, I can see the deployment vcase you're talking about, Wendell.
Was trying to wait for this to come outbut couldn't really wait any longer so I just purchased all the mini ITX parts I need for a 3950 x system
You made the right choice.
@@hansenlechler4305 yeah I think so. As long as I can keep it quiet and stable. I do like my current gen nuc but that thing can get loud. Especially with five different browsers open 50 tabs a browser lol
I would love to put a nice 10G Ethernet Card in that PCI-E Slot and run this as router hardware for home! Definitely more energy efficient than my Westmere Xeon powered IBM X Server I'm currently using for that task.
Kinda wish you could plug the CPU card into a desktop and have it treated like a VM.
oh u can, but it won't function the way it should be used, for instance the compute element will run, but it can't communicate with a gpu nearby, just the internal, but since xeons dont have igpus u are stuck with the overpriced nuc here, the ghost canyon with the i5, i7 and i9 will run just fine, the quartz canyon / xeon probably not
I've always liked the Intel NUC and other SFF PCs. Hopefully this gets upgraded down the road which will reveal that it's a product that'll stay for many years. (:
This expansion is why I doubt Apple will ever build something like this.
Thanks, Wendell - fab tech talk. Maybe demo the carrying case?
Compact size like lunch box. It looks like very useful. This goes on the list for my next build.
That's actually really nicely put together! I'm not the target market for that thing, but I like it
This thing would make an amazing MacOS professional mini mac.
Also why would you worry about Optane??? Just get a V-NAND Samsung Nvme which has read writes of like 3500mbs. I have one in my NUC Bean Canyon 8th gen i7 and my NUC boots from push button to start menu in 3 seconds no joke. 1, 2, 3 and boom my login screen is there. Runs editing software and games just fine with no latency. Optane is a headache. Id buy one of these Ghist Canyon NUCs and instal MacOS on one NVME and have another Nvme with Windows. Dual operating system mini editing rig.
@@Carboxylated i like Optane for speeding up hard drives, i use them with a wd black 6tb. For My Games.
I've got a 64 GB Optane for my 16 TB Seagate Exos, the speed improvement is unreal.
I feel like they should've made the NUC or at least the STX form factor like this from the start. Like a tiny Mobo, but with PCI-E fingers on one end to allow for expansion with a daughter board like this one. Wouldn't have taken up much space and made for a very versatile tiny form factor while still being tiny.
I have seen quit a few businesses using the NUC even now, mostly in offices, tugged behind the monitor and safing a lot of space (and being quieter).
But for many of them the computestick would have been sufficient, but seems people do not know of its existence, specially when i see government-organisations ordering thousands of basically already outdated machines..... for example i know that the whole segment of education here has basically old, outdated hardware. The "current" laptops they have are mostly ivybridge, but not from that time but bought 2-3 years ago.
I’m getting excited about SFF building. Things like the NUC mean GPU OEM’s have a little more incentive to offer sub 200mm GPU’s.
wow your youtube code is Demo, is that still random?
Laptops have been marketed as having 20GB of "RAM" for a while now. (4GB RAM + 16GB Optane) I think it's very misleading myself, but it does really help the spinning rust.
REAL IT people don't use Optane as a HDD cache. ;p
This would be a Great Capture/Streaming Rig. Nice!
I just want it for the potential decent gaming experience at your friend's place on a weekend evening - take a hike gaming laptops, I can carry that in a backpack as well
That i\o highlight is soooo rad
What is the 4k decoding performance? I would love to have that as a portable HTPC.
You don't need that much CPU for HTPC. Just look for a board that does hardware H.265 decode.
It looks very good and also it has a lot of potential..
It would be really really neat if Intel were to improve on this design by allowing the user to add a second CPU "module", so doubling of the core count can be a thing. Better yet: base-boards to interconnect multiple CPU / GPU modules. Quad CPU module cluster-compute anyone?!
Why would a Xeon/Quadro user sacrifice so much (performance, thermals, acoustics, upgradability, price...) to save a little bit of space??? Is saving a space so high on a priority list for professionals?
I've been eye'ing one of these for a car computer. I have wanted to do some AR automatic camera switching and object identification for my RVs onboard surround view camera system. The price is yikes though.
I wonder if AMD is going to do something similar. PCIe 4.0 on this would be amazing. If they implemented proper 4.0 to 3.0 with bifurcation, we'd have 32 PCIe lanes suitable for modern devices; yes I know 4.0 NVMe cards exist, but is there really that much of a performance gain currently? Another thing that would help is having more lanes from the CPU, which I think AMD might be willing to up lane counts, but we all know Intel won't move off of 16 lanes on mobile chips, not until NVMe _really_ takes over the consumer market and additional lanes become a basic requirement.
Just for reference, without TB, 32 lanes would be just enough for the 4x slot, 16x slot, and 3 NVMe cards to run on the CPU alone. If we don't care about two NVMe cards being on the chipset instead of the CPU, we can open those lanes up for the TB ports on the CPU, assuming both ports are their own x4 link and not two ports sharing one x4 link. Because of NVMe and external PCIe (TB and USB4, names might get confusing for awhile), lane counts are becoming extremely limiting; most laptops only really have room for a dGPU _or_ external PCIe when the system has NVMe drives, but upping lane count would allow for dGPU _and_ ePCIe with NVMe.
I almost want to see Dell take a shot at putting the CPU and chipset on their MXM successor. Power delivery and cooling difficulties aside, having an upgradable CPU would be huge for the mobile space. You'd have brand agnostic manufacturers, as the system is no longer dependent on if it's using an Intel or AMD CPU, as it would be on an add-in card; much like how Dell is already doing this with a range of both Nvidia and AMD GPUs with their MXM successor they've been using for a year or two now. You'd also be cutting down on ewaste, as a chassis, and all of it's relative components (AC/DC components, peripherals, port daughterboards, etc.), can be used for a much longer time compared to it's upgradable components; this would also cut down on a lot of money waste with having 50 different models when you could have one barebones chassis with different add-in cards.
I know this NUC isn't a chip-on-board solution, more of a system-on-board solution, but maybe this could evolve into a cob solution, where instead of a system being socket-dependant, it's only dependent on a PCIe interface to other components, as you'd have the CPU and chipset, along with other relevant components, localized to the cob.
Probably more of a pipe dream than a future reality, but I think this is a good way forward for all parts of the industry and market.
I also wonder if we'll see anyone try to make a compute cluster out of these. It makes sense, have a PCIe and power backplane, and plug these in. I'm sure Intel has no support for multi-chip computing over the PCIe bus, but it'd be a cool thing to see eventually. Which this also makes sense for businesses that want to have a closet server but still have individual systems. This design really does seem more server oriented than what they're marketing it as.
Thanks Wendell, what do you think of the airflow?
Is there ANY Rackmountable NUC chassis for THIS thing? I mean, I'd LOVE THAT in my Production Rack!!!
yeh that computer is nice, dual thunderbolt 3, i wonder if they are on there own channels?
Would be a nice daul thunderbolt Hackintosh if compatibility is there.
So you can install Intel CPUs in the pci slots of a dual and epyc server? Things could get crazy!
Does that processor have the same vulns that Intel has either decided not to fix, Is being paid not to fix (by the big 5 sided building outside the DC --- or NSA??) or???? I have one of the earlier NUC's (Skull Canyon)... Still running solidly on the original 10 install (which took about 2 minutes from a fast thumb drive)...
Did I miss the price?
Starts at $1500 for the i9, $1900 for the Xeon
And that's for a barebone system.
@@teddygoboom1 and thats why nobody is gonna buy them lol
So, if you're in an enterprise using these with LTSC, you're sol then for the optane I guess, since store is disabled by default.
side load appx package?
seen a couple videos on these new nuc's and I've gotta say really surprised with the cooling performance they've done ace job ........ now to try and convince the gaffer to spill a bit on one of these..... and also a CNC ....and maybe a nice lathe........ oh and some materials to make shit with or the rest of that stuff would be pretty useless lol.
Where can I buy one?
Great video! :D
Honestly would love a computer with the same dimensions just for a retroarch emulation machine
Where can buy this xeon intel nuc ? USA 🇺🇸 Or UK 🇬🇧 Or EUROPE 🇪🇺...?
Yes, Yes, but how much? As Barebone or Prebuilt system...
What is the market for this, especially at that price point. If you are interested in this what is your use case?
OPTANE ONLY accelerate the C: drive , so only if u install softwere or games on the C : drive and it needs to be big to be of any help the OPTANE , THEY SHOULD EXPLAIN THAT PART
What's the price and link to this thing? It will go down in price like anything.
Optane is slower than NVMe - I just don't get it if you have decent NVMe drives?! Am I missing something?
What is the product name? What is the price?
What are the chances I could get AMD NVMe RAID going with four of these Optane + QLC sticks?
i love this things shame amd didn't join the party... i own NUC8I7HVK and honestly if they only invested just Little bit more in the cooling it wold have been awesome i don`t know why for consumers they basically sell you hardware you cant relay use, the cooling cant keep up unless you ame add a leaf blower at his intake
There’s been so many years of NUC that the concept seems almost silly now with micro systems that are just laptop boards in a micro case and piles of systems that are NUC sized.
At this point shouldn’t they just call them “a desktop PC decent for most normal folk and not too bad for nerdy specific jobs” ... and it’s just a size? :)
Seems like a nice pfsense box
Wow with an external GPU this seems like it would be a killer VM platform.
Why not dual 10G :(
i think 10g just takes up to much room, i got a thunderbolt 3 10gig nic, its still pretty big. www.sonnettech.com/product/solo10g-sfp-tb3/overview.html
So would Intel Optane not work if I wanted to put a hypervisor on this like ESXI if it needs the Win10 app/driver ?
Currently have the regular NUC running a few VMs and that's pretty nice
Damn this just put my Ghost S1 to shame.
BTW, what is the size of m.2 slot screws? I need some but don't know what size to look for.
will the nuc card realy fit in a pcie slot and if so what happens if you do put it in another pc slot
last I checked Intel has no plans to make these able to work in other motherboards
Quite possibly could result in damage, at least in the power stages. Depends on theirs and motherboard makers designs.
I love nuc's and Intel, but why can't amd make nuc's and compete? They don't in the cheaper nuc segment (is what I meant)
OEMs could put 4000 series APUs in this form factor. 🤔
@@93Snips As long as they will price it fairly. The low end nucs are like 400 on the amd side :(.
Why? It's a niche market. You don't make money catering to a niche market...unless it's a boutique niche market, as in, people willing to pay a significant premium for boutique products.
@@93Snips Not enough to go around yet.
@@namyun2743 what about the bulk business customers?
I want a few of these except Epyc for a proxmox cluster.
I'm I going crazy or the NUC are getting bigger?
Intel must have realized their original NUC concepts weren't selling very well and decided to repackage the idea of an expandable desktop PC in their own semi-proprietary form factor.
Nah, they are expanding the lineup as the NUCs have been rather successful. For most office work they are more than powerful enough while taking up way less space.
Am I the only one who wonders why they didn't just face the cooling fan on the processor unit the other direction?
Where are the Phoronix or any benchmarks?
I was thumbs up no. 1334, sorry for combo breaking :)
What would happen if you slot the CPU module of the Nuc into the PCIE-Slot of an ATX PC?
Did he ever mention the price?
Why not just use primocache for 30 bucks? Optane seems like a scam
liked just for the and...disassembled transition
Well, Optane just became even less useful now that you need to use the Microsoft store to get it. I would just set it as 32gb of dedicated swap space and remove all the swap from the NAND.
Intel'sl use for Optane sucks but those little 16 and 32GB phase change storage cards are great for use as boot drives for high availability devices like pfsense and freeNAS.
Love the way how he nuked the inevitable "Muuuuuuh... I can build a computer twice as fast in half the volume for 1/3 of the price!!!"
He has a point, but his argument of "companies want a vendor to turn to for support" is pretty weak too. How could this thing compete with HP, Dell or Lenovo SFF systems at half the price?
Now even better for hackintoshing, thanks Intel
I love the concept of this thing.
Why can't we buy a case/mb combo like this for an AMD processor ?
@TechGuy Because then, AMD would have to buy into an Intel designed, semi-proprietary form factor and have some third party manufacturer build hardware for it. AMD has it's own thing based on industry standards. It's called mini-ITX and STX. If you have issues with where it's going, I suggest you talk to AMD directly.
@@namyun2743 ´More like - AMD does not want to create anything or support specifications of the competitors at all.
@@ABaumstumpf Even if they would make a non compatible copy they most likely be sued for patent infringement. No Matter who would win it would still be a pain.
@@ABaumstumpf Neither does Intel. But to be fair, this isn't really an industry-standard spec at all. It probably does use a lot of industry specs, like CPU daughter cards and PCIe splitters, which has been around for a loooong time. But NUCs aren't exactly flying off shelves and AMD has a far more limited development budget. They need to focus on stuff that earns them money, not boutique niche products like this.
Does anyone make a computer this size that can take.… say an AMD ryzen 3600 CPU?
Sure, Asrock makes one even smaller, but there are compromises, like no PCIe slots, and a power brick. But it does use a socketable CPU.
Alternatively an xmg laptop with up to a 3950x. Smaller, faster, cheaper in terms of performance and comes with peripherals.
Without a doubt a bulky laptop, but man that 3950x in it, is sexy!
www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/xmg-apex-15-notebook-packs-amd-ryzen-9-3950x-16-core-desktop-cpu/amp/
Simple case like this with powersupply and everything included while having room for expansions? no.
Yo dis dat "Edge computing" I hear about?
no
Does the optane cache stuff work under Linux and is there any required setup?
Meh, i can have 4 lunchboxes in that case :V
This would have been awesome 2 years ago.
I wonder if this would work with Windows server 2019. Cluster three or four of these together as a render farm?
I would buy a mac mini pro if it was like this.
The Mac Mini Pro? Can you please not give Apple MORE bad ideas?
How much power does it use without GPU?
Go check out gamernexuS review on it
Is that PSU in the standard flex dimension?
No because of pins used size I think
Size? maybe. pin outs? Nope
10 gig nic?
hackmacability?
soldered WiFi :-(
the nuc itself looks good on paper, but the price ....
It probably overheat running any simulation like cfd xD
whats the measured idle power consumption without the pcie GPU?
Waiting to hear the price, it won't be pretty.
BGA CPU. OOF. Intel, you were so close. SO CLOSE.
It's a NUC, when did NUCs ever have a socketable CPU?
@@namyun2743 For a workstation PC, one would expect to be able to swap CPUs, no? They designed nearly everything else to be upgradable .
Only disappointment is lack of 10G Network
Business: Can you DIY a machine with similar performance, for cheaper?
DIYer: Yes, absolutely.
Business: Can you DIY 100 to 300 machines with similar performance, for cheaper? We need them in the next 3 to at most 14 days.
DIYer: (no reply, because it is obvious he can't do it).
Before you throw c*p at me, I like DIYing. For myself I always DIY, but when it comes to businesses, time constraints and even time costs (you got to pay both employees who aren't as productive as they can be, because they are waiting for things like rendering and you also need to pay the assembler of the PCs, which could spend his time doing other things), you are actually losing money by making things yourself.
8 core xeon 64 gig ram? Ug I was 24 core ryzen 256 gig ram 2 tb nvme
I enjoy your videos because you give your opinion, but You EARNED a downvote for this video. How hard is it to include the model number of the NUC you reviewed and a full list of specs in the description? Yes you go over the specs, but you didn't list the model number for the Xeon NUC. Also I would have liked to see you test the Thunderbolt 3 ports using an adapter for the older thunderbolt 2 standard. If anyone is like me they already have older thunderbolt 2 enclosures. Not all thunderbolt implementations are equal either in the case of Gigabyte's Titan Ridge does not support the older thunderbolt 1 and 2 devices because they left the code out of the motherboard bioses that use Titan Ridge. Intel states Thunderbolt 3 is backwards compatible, but does not tell anyone that manufactures can choose to not support backwards compatibility. My biggest annoyance of videos of systems/motherboards with thunderbolt 3 is no one tests the actual ports.
Anyone know what software was used to check temps?
Windows update broke the most recent version of realtemp.....
I usually use HWMonitor.
Where can I find one