Some more details & Info here forum.level1techs.com/t/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-core-ultra-5-review/218917 9:45 - there's a typo here, the column is supposed to say "OS" not "CPU" lol... whoops
The 'show me where' skit had me rolling! Amazing sense of humor. Level1 and GN are my absolute favorite tech channels because they both have a good sense of humor - and manage to keep it tech related. Can't wait for the x3d chips from AMD!
I work in IT for a non profit company, recently had to have a meeting with Dell to get more end user devices, I made it a point to say I want AMD laptops, not intel. I also pointed out I wasn’t happy that their lineup of devices are lacking AMD. Pretty sure they were sued over this before. They wanted to know why I don’t want intel, and basically said I wasn’t impressed with the performance compared to price and thermals. Also not a fan of their name change, confusing consumers more than they already were.
well they apparently lost some of the funding from power companies since they lowered the power usage... but the performance dropped greatly to... so there is that...
You'll see what's coming up in two years. Any BK talk is just ignorance of what's really going on in the past few years. Simply put, Intel has been bogged down by its foundry and the unwieldy P-core. Now both are changing with the 18A and the reorientation towards E-core. Already saw the great potential of E-core in Lunar Lake.
OMG, Ultra 9 285K loses to 7800X3D on every game except Final Fantasy & Forspoken! $600 Intel CPU loses to $450 AMD CPU? & the 9800X3D launches next week.
AMD introduces a significantly more efficient series of CPUs with at least the same performance, but by and large a bit more. They were skewered by Tech media. Any tech media that dared show a different result, a favorable 9000 series result, such as Tom's Hardware (not the only), were in turn skewered. Intel introduces even more expensive CPUs, barely any efficiency increase, less performance and some instability, and Intel is treated with kid-gloves. This is why people go all tribal. The self-appointed tech press creates this with their bias in favor of certain makers and their products. If the AMD launch products were considered terrible, horrible and awful and they were by multiple tech channels, then these new Intel CPUs being launched should be considered the stuff of nightmares. Yet do we see this in the reviewer expression of their test results? No. The thumbnail titles, taglines and even wording in the videos themselves are not even close to even. They are by far more gentle on Intel. I am a consumer. I want straight forward information and I want Intel, AMD and whoever else to be around because competition is good. It usually keeps prices more sane and drives innovation. This is destroyed when popular tech media don't remain neutral.
It's how it was with AMD and Zen 10 years ago. Gamers and financial media were trashing it while all engineering reviews were like "it is actually some good stuff with some potential here". A year later the gamers flipped and when it got to servers, the finance folks also got on board.
Careful -- this is the first Intel cpu in an age that is highly memory dependent. Depending on the DDR5 scenario it is between 5% and 20% worse than the 7800x3d. The point was I was surprised how much range there was. It's basically "par" for a 14900k with somewhat worse frametimes at the current time.
For a little bit, I felt bad about only running a 12th gen on the machine I got this year. Now with the (maybe intentional?) Issues with 14th gen. Then this? I guess I'm happy where I am. I'm a bit worried to upgrade now, because by the time I do, the CPU market might be even worse.
Process lasso isn't going to help when your application needs more than 8 good threads, which a lot of games now seem to have adapted to 6C/12T chips being the base "performance" tier. The weaker E-core threads are kicking in and it looks like on an OS-level you can have many conflicting scenarios on what they are being told to do with their power profiles.
It does seem promising. I think as systems grow into fully utilizing the current CPUs the ultra 9 285 will be a golden piece of used hardware over the next 5-7 years. The high-end 13th and 14th gen will be landmines of possible degradation and that leaves what on the and side, a 3 years older 12th gen, which is very solid but will age out first. Unless the next generation released is just out-of-this-world incredible I suspect that 285 owners will have pretty good resale value or a lot of incentive to repurpose these chips. also, the IGPU on this is amazing, battlemage when!?
I think with bios maturity the cpu can become better. I mean my Ryzen 5 5500 got a mature bios on my Asrock B450M Steel Legend and its running fantastic compared to launch.
Interesting stuff. I wonder where Intel is headed with all these shenanigans. Are they trying to out-stack AMD, or are they throwing everything at the power-efficiency problem they caused when they turned 13-14 Gen CPUs into mainboard furnaces? I feel like there must be 7-8 PhD's pulling their CPU design meetings in 7-8 different directions or something.
It looks so bad that Intel should start thinking about canceling all future projects based on this design and not release anything for 5 years until they build something new from scratch.
"You Probably Won't Buy Intel's New Ultra 9 285k" Yes i will. My CPU and GPU are 5 generations old, and i am currently planning new computer. Hyper-threading gone (i heated this feature, so confusing), Thunderbolt 5 - cant wait for new docking stations with built-in 10G networking and Thunderbolt 5 support, lower power consumption - great, energy is super expensive in Europe. What's not to like ? It is even cheaper then 9950X which i was planning to buy.
And with this poor performance in Intel games, how exactly do they think they will convince me to pay for their new processors + new moutherboard + new ram? 🤔Sorry intel but after so many years with You now I will go to AMD and 9800X3D. ☺
@@Navelwritercuz folks are out here living off of RUclips likes instead of touching grass. It's sad. He must not be old enough to remember when amd was the bottom of the bin. Companies have their ups and downs and Intel can't always be the winner for 50+ years straight
A CPU shouldn't be "interesting", it should do the jobs it needs to do better than the ones before it. $500 for something worse before doesn't butter anyone's parsnips regardless how interesting it is. It's like buying an Alfa Romeo. Yeah it might be interesting, but it also is worse when you look at it categorically. This is said by someone that does appreciate the engineering Intel's put into this new generation. But if it's worse, it's worse. For a lot of money it's worse
Where have I heard that before, recently. Let's be real; the shoe is on the other foot, for now. And I hope it stays there for a while. Least till AMD gets complacent.
@@SpecialKLSX Pay attention to the background stuff, Intel is stuck because its old P-core runs out of steam. Now it shifts its effort to beef up the E-core, which we already see its potential in just 1-gen. If the perf-leap can be largely retained in the next gen or two, taking the lead after two years seems likely. On the other hand, AMD's advance slowed down quite a bit in its Zen4 and 5 release, unless AMD can wow people in its next gen, which I doubt, I'll bet on Intel leap ahead.
Take -$200 off the price, -20% of Z890 mobos and another slice of the fastest 8200MT/s DIMMs and it's a decent platform, especially for some specific (non-gaming) tasks. At this price, for overall workstation, no.
Ah...good old used to be blue chips such as boeing and intel, etc. What do they have in common? The heads of those snakes are still intact! They move the same way, they think or lack there of the same way. Would ppl expect otherwise? I want to buy their stocks when they are low but with the same heads attached to those bodies, I'm afraid there is bigger chance of once hard to imagine outcomes.
It feels like this could be a Bulldozer 2.0 but at least this time there is gold in the pile of shit . Hopefully intel can sort themselves out for the next iteration because the informed consumer shouldn't be buying these CPUs in this state.
I KNOW I won't buy it. I don't trust Intel anymore. They have to earn that trust back. Might take 3-4 problem free generations for that to happen and what with the rumors I am hearing about Arrow Lake stability issues, that is not a good start.
The Hollywood slump, the AAA gaming slump, and now the x86 computing slump. Watch AMD fall behind with the next gen of Radeon as well. As a great band once said: Modern Life Is Rubbish
I will trust Wendell's ability to review CPUs and gpus far more than gamers Nexus hardware unboxed and LTT. Simply for the fact is that he is an IT guy, so he is mostly platform agnostic whether that's software or hardware. It doesn't matter as long as it performs well in the pasts that he wants and that it if there is a problem, he will talk about the problem and ways demeliorate it or ask the question. How would you fix this problem? How would you humiliate the issues and how in the next revision or in stepping? Will you fix this issue? Which for Intel is just make a whole new CPU tile-based architecture with chiplets with an emib.
thanks, but don't encourage tribalism for the sake of tribalism. Steve's basically a human truth crucible and LTT is so massive not only do they have their own gravitational field, they are a huge blend of talented people. This particular launch is so wild I am sure that everyone will discover something different and interesting in the launch coverage.
@@Level1Techs here's how the hierarchy goes to make sure to adjust your expectations and to recalibrate your understanding. It goes Lawrence systems, serve the home, level One techs, hardware hardware unboxed, gamersnexus, ltt Jay's two cents,and Paul's hardware. That is the hierarchy of information for me related to new hardware releases by AMD, Intel, and Nvidia. Do not under any circumstance say I would like 'tribalism for the sake of tribalism', how I have my information. Hierarchy setup is based on information density over the presenter of the information. Also, if you know anything about companies, especially ones that produce hardware the best way to gauge how a product is going to be, how much did they talk about it? How much information was leaked before its release? Was it more or less than the previous release of the last set of products? It's all about data. It's all about asking the right questions.
Nah AMD at least increased it’s performance whereas Intel went in the negative and decreased in performance while still being less efficient than Zen 5
Some more details & Info here
forum.level1techs.com/t/intel-core-ultra-9-285k-core-ultra-5-review/218917
9:45 - there's a typo here, the column is supposed to say "OS" not "CPU" lol... whoops
Wendell, I'm afraid that you are 100% right: I'm not interested in this CPU.
I always say that, but that's just because my upgrade cycle is so slow
The 'show me where' skit had me rolling! Amazing sense of humor. Level1 and GN are my absolute favorite tech channels because they both have a good sense of humor - and manage to keep it tech related. Can't wait for the x3d chips from AMD!
Agreed. So much nicer than the "that's what she said" nature of that one popular tech RUclipsr
GN is a speed talking mumble mouth.
@@JohnWalsh2019maybe you should be checked for auditory processing issues.
I work in IT for a non profit company, recently had to have a meeting with Dell to get more end user devices, I made it a point to say I want AMD laptops, not intel. I also pointed out I wasn’t happy that their lineup of devices are lacking AMD. Pretty sure they were sued over this before. They wanted to know why I don’t want intel, and basically said I wasn’t impressed with the performance compared to price and thermals. Also not a fan of their name change, confusing consumers more than they already were.
people have been complaining about the names for years now, why are they so reluctant to improve in that area?
"This CPU represents the dawn of a new age for Intel!"
The bankruptcy era?
the dark ages (part 2)
well they apparently lost some of the funding from power companies since they lowered the power usage... but the performance dropped greatly to... so there is that...
You'll see what's coming up in two years. Any BK talk is just ignorance of what's really going on in the past few years. Simply put, Intel has been bogged down by its foundry and the unwieldy P-core. Now both are changing with the 18A and the reorientation towards E-core. Already saw the great potential of E-core in Lunar Lake.
OMG, Ultra 9 285K loses to 7800X3D on every game except Final Fantasy & Forspoken! $600 Intel CPU loses to $450 AMD CPU? & the 9800X3D launches next week.
oops
it also ties the 5700x3d in most games. a $200 cpu on the AM4 platform.
5:42
More like this please. 😆
Nearly painted my monitor with coffee here 😂
That came unexpected 😂
The segment with the psychologist made me laugh more than I should have. Was that editor Autumn ? 😆
Yes it was! ~ Amber
@@Level1Techs lol, sorry Amber.
xD I meant yes it was autumn, I was behind the camera ~ Amber
@@Level1Techs lol. Gotcha. It gets a little confusing.
I get called Amber all the time lol ~ Editor Autumn
AMD introduces a significantly more efficient series of CPUs with at least the same performance, but by and large a bit more. They were skewered by Tech media. Any tech media that dared show a different result, a favorable 9000 series result, such as Tom's Hardware (not the only), were in turn skewered.
Intel introduces even more expensive CPUs, barely any efficiency increase, less performance and some instability, and Intel is treated with kid-gloves. This is why people go all tribal. The self-appointed tech press creates this with their bias in favor of certain makers and their products.
If the AMD launch products were considered terrible, horrible and awful and they were by multiple tech channels, then these new Intel CPUs being launched should be considered the stuff of nightmares. Yet do we see this in the reviewer expression of their test results? No. The thumbnail titles, taglines and even wording in the videos themselves are not even close to even. They are by far more gentle on Intel.
I am a consumer. I want straight forward information and I want Intel, AMD and whoever else to be around because competition is good. It usually keeps prices more sane and drives innovation. This is destroyed when popular tech media don't remain neutral.
Give examples, every channel I have seen GN, LTT, this one are very critical and negative
@Level1Tech, 5:42 is truly comedy gold... SNL reference and a good one at that.
The regression in gaming is quite massive. This product is an utter failure.
ex-13900k user currently 7950x I'm not going back to Intel until they pay me the 2 years of constant crashes I suffered, 9950x3D my wallet is ready
Thank you, Wendellman! 🙏🏼👍🏼
I laughed at the therapy skit. Thank you wendel
I don't want a glued together CPU.
The moment you said 'aquarius' i had the melody running in my head. Yeah, thats an old reference!!
It's how it was with AMD and Zen 10 years ago. Gamers and financial media were trashing it while all engineering reviews were like "it is actually some good stuff with some potential here". A year later the gamers flipped and when it got to servers, the finance folks also got on board.
Where did intel touch you Wendell? Show us on the mobo lol love it
The L1, L2 and L3 speed is impressive however the ram latency is hurting it. If they fix that, this CPU will fly.
Wow ! 20% worse than 7800X3D on average means 30% worse than 9800X3D. Thats a mountain 🙄
And that's before power draw being higher
Careful -- this is the first Intel cpu in an age that is highly memory dependent. Depending on the DDR5 scenario it is between 5% and 20% worse than the 7800x3d. The point was I was surprised how much range there was. It's basically "par" for a 14900k with somewhat worse frametimes at the current time.
It also means, it can barely beat a 5800X3D 🍷🍷
Then just buy it if you are convinced this is such a great CPU...
In my case, I will not, and I will definitely never recommend it...
@5:43 LOL at "reset yourself" !
Anandtech and Techgage both seem to have gone down and are sorely missed.
Reacting to you opening reference - are you saying Intel has entered the Fifth Dimension ?
I had no idea that you also brought big humor. Nice.
Thank you for this review. Your insights are invaluable.
As a Boards of Canada fan I welcome the "Hair!" Reference.
For a little bit, I felt bad about only running a 12th gen on the machine I got this year.
Now with the (maybe intentional?) Issues with 14th gen. Then this? I guess I'm happy where I am.
I'm a bit worried to upgrade now, because by the time I do, the CPU market might be even worse.
Intel made Zen 3 & 4 look good. Congratulations Intel.
Process lasso isn't going to help when your application needs more than 8 good threads, which a lot of games now seem to have adapted to 6C/12T chips being the base "performance" tier. The weaker E-core threads are kicking in and it looks like on an OS-level you can have many conflicting scenarios on what they are being told to do with their power profiles.
It does seem promising. I think as systems grow into fully utilizing the current CPUs the ultra 9 285 will be a golden piece of used hardware over the next 5-7 years. The high-end 13th and 14th gen will be landmines of possible degradation and that leaves what on the and side, a 3 years older 12th gen, which is very solid but will age out first. Unless the next generation released is just out-of-this-world incredible I suspect that 285 owners will have pretty good resale value or a lot of incentive to repurpose these chips.
also, the IGPU on this is amazing, battlemage when!?
0:11 more half baked than a seth rogan movie
In short:
"It wasn't ready to launch"
I think with bios maturity the cpu can become better. I mean my Ryzen 5 5500 got a mature bios on my Asrock B450M Steel Legend and its running fantastic compared to launch.
Interesting stuff. I wonder where Intel is headed with all these shenanigans. Are they trying to out-stack AMD, or are they throwing everything at the power-efficiency problem they caused when they turned 13-14 Gen CPUs into mainboard furnaces? I feel like there must be 7-8 PhD's pulling their CPU design meetings in 7-8 different directions or something.
That's the only thing that makes sense.
a lot of these "when"s end up having the same answer : "never".
and i don't hope anything about intel because i couldn't care any less for them.
my guess is the next Arrow Lake refresh will include hyperthreading
I'd take a nice Epyc Manycore over weird Intel design any day!
It looks so bad that Intel should start thinking about canceling all future projects based on this design and not release anything for 5 years until they build something new from scratch.
always try turning yourself off and on first! Arrow Lake still seems disappointing on power draw given the claims.
I probably won't, Wendellman, but I *do* have high hopes for the Bartlett Lake lineup. 🤗
Bartlett Lake probably won't be for consumers. It's focussed on networking and edge microservers.
@@samuelrodgers2742 That wouldn't stop me from trying to get my hands on one (or two) to play with. 😁
Show me where the motherboard hurt you 😂
Age of Aquarius 1969; that's nice.
"You Probably Won't Buy Intel's New Ultra 9 285k" Yes i will. My CPU and GPU are 5 generations old, and i am currently planning new computer. Hyper-threading gone (i heated this feature, so confusing), Thunderbolt 5 - cant wait for new docking stations with built-in 10G networking and Thunderbolt 5 support, lower power consumption - great, energy is super expensive in Europe. What's not to like ? It is even cheaper then 9950X which i was planning to buy.
What's so confusing about Hyper-Threading especially compared to P & E cores?
Intel has re-invented the Pentium 4. Fast clocks, sends your power bill thru the roof, and performance is "OK". Yay?
And with this poor performance in Intel games, how exactly do they think they will convince me to pay for their new processors + new moutherboard + new ram? 🤔Sorry intel but after so many years with You now I will go to AMD and 9800X3D. ☺
"Pro-seon? Oh, Procyon." The C is hard, literally; prokyon
Soooo... Its Official??? Intel its Official A Second Brand on everything?
Why are you posting this on multiple reviews.
@@Navelwriter bcse i want lol! Nothing special!
@@Navelwritercuz folks are out here living off of RUclips likes instead of touching grass. It's sad.
He must not be old enough to remember when amd was the bottom of the bin. Companies have their ups and downs and Intel can't always be the winner for 50+ years straight
Lets see if you people manage to dig up the big issue with the new series.. (hint look at HT implementation on previous series).
I see how this launch is going...
Intel launches new CPUs and nobody pays attention.
Edit: Or everyone thanks God they bought a Ryzen X3D chip.
A CPU shouldn't be "interesting", it should do the jobs it needs to do better than the ones before it. $500 for something worse before doesn't butter anyone's parsnips regardless how interesting it is. It's like buying an Alfa Romeo. Yeah it might be interesting, but it also is worse when you look at it categorically.
This is said by someone that does appreciate the engineering Intel's put into this new generation. But if it's worse, it's worse. For a lot of money it's worse
Are the tiles glued together?
Great video - Arrow lake is a stepping stone. It may take another two years for Intel to beat AMD on the PC end.
Where have I heard that before, recently.
Let's be real; the shoe is on the other foot, for now.
And I hope it stays there for a while. Least till AMD gets complacent.
@@SpecialKLSX Pay attention to the background stuff, Intel is stuck because its old P-core runs out of steam. Now it shifts its effort to beef up the E-core, which we already see its potential in just 1-gen. If the perf-leap can be largely retained in the next gen or two, taking the lead after two years seems likely.
On the other hand, AMD's advance slowed down quite a bit in its Zen4 and 5 release, unless AMD can wow people in its next gen, which I doubt, I'll bet on Intel leap ahead.
You're right, I won't be buying this.
I'm going to because as an elderly hobbyist and an invalid, I need something to do.
OK that was funny ... touching his mobo again ...
How come he knew I wouldn't be getting this CPU? Besides who cares if its the dawn of a new age for Intel till it reaches midday.
Soo... i prefer Zen 5% !😂
Core Ultra -2.00% series
Waiting for the review of Core Ultra Seven Seven Seven Seven
Seven Seven Seven!
Seven Seven Seven!
the holy mountain
Amd and Intel both releasing cpus that needed another month in the oven back to back.
Take -$200 off the price, -20% of Z890 mobos and another slice of the fastest 8200MT/s DIMMs and it's a decent platform, especially for some specific (non-gaming) tasks. At this price, for overall workstation, no.
Excellent video. I feel bad for intel.
Don't they've done it to themselves. Plus, they get a ton of US tax payer money. I have zero sympathy for them.
3 years behind tsmc with this 7nm litography
Isn’t this manufactured at TSmC?
Ah...good old used to be blue chips such as boeing and intel, etc. What do they have in common? The heads of those snakes are still intact! They move the same way, they think or lack there of the same way. Would ppl expect otherwise? I want to buy their stocks when they are low but with the same heads attached to those bodies, I'm afraid there is bigger chance of once hard to imagine outcomes.
Intel already booted it's prior CEO, that's how P.G. is in the spot.
@@JWooden271 Good to know! Now all they have to do is replace all the ex-ceo's buddies at every level from top to bottom.
I mean if Intel managed to fix the instability with those mew chips tjen it might be the saving grace for them
It is literally the worst CPU launch I can recall...
It feels like this could be a Bulldozer 2.0 but at least this time there is gold in the pile of shit . Hopefully intel can sort themselves out for the next iteration because the informed consumer shouldn't be buying these CPUs in this state.
Yeah I’m on Alder Lake right now and I don’t see myself upgrading to anything in this generation. 🤷🏾♂️
Looking for a replacement for my i5-9600k and this.. This ain't it 😔
Then just buy AMD...
Watching this video because it's an L1 video. Intel holds no interest for me unless it's Optane tbh.
I KNOW I won't buy it. I don't trust Intel anymore. They have to earn that trust back. Might take 3-4 problem free generations for that to happen and what with the rumors I am hearing about Arrow Lake stability issues, that is not a good start.
I waited over 10 years and decided that this should be the time I should finally upgrade from the Haswell 4670k.
Skipping HT altogether.
Wait you're sticking with Intel? In 2024?
@@pieterrossouw8596 3 years behind tsmc with this 7nm litography
The Hollywood slump, the AAA gaming slump, and now the x86 computing slump. Watch AMD fall behind with the next gen of Radeon as well.
As a great band once said: Modern Life Is Rubbish
As long as AMD 7000 series on the market there is no completion both from AMD 9000 or Intel 200 due to price to permeance.
I will trust Wendell's ability to review CPUs and gpus far more than gamers Nexus hardware unboxed and LTT. Simply for the fact is that he is an IT guy, so he is mostly platform agnostic whether that's software or hardware. It doesn't matter as long as it performs well in the pasts that he wants and that it if there is a problem, he will talk about the problem and ways demeliorate it or ask the question. How would you fix this problem? How would you humiliate the issues and how in the next revision or in stepping? Will you fix this issue? Which for Intel is just make a whole new CPU tile-based architecture with chiplets with an emib.
thanks, but don't encourage tribalism for the sake of tribalism. Steve's basically a human truth crucible and LTT is so massive not only do they have their own gravitational field, they are a huge blend of talented people. This particular launch is so wild I am sure that everyone will discover something different and interesting in the launch coverage.
@@Level1Techs here's how the hierarchy goes to make sure to adjust your expectations and to recalibrate your understanding. It goes Lawrence systems, serve the home, level One techs, hardware hardware unboxed, gamersnexus, ltt Jay's two cents,and Paul's hardware. That is the hierarchy of information for me related to new hardware releases by AMD, Intel, and Nvidia. Do not under any circumstance say I would like 'tribalism for the sake of tribalism', how I have my information. Hierarchy setup is based on information density over the presenter of the information. Also, if you know anything about companies, especially ones that produce hardware the best way to gauge how a product is going to be, how much did they talk about it? How much information was leaked before its release? Was it more or less than the previous release of the last set of products? It's all about data. It's all about asking the right questions.
Zen 5%
Intel -5%
Pentium 4 all over again...
RIP Intel
Use win10 Wendell, not the win11 turd
Ultra 7?
test at 4k
CPU bottlenecks at 4k?
Yeah right...
Long live 12th gen
Idle power???
Checked and pcworld says idle power is a little worse.. by 3% (+2.5w).. i expected this.
intel -2.85%
I'm hungry ( Comment to boost algo )
i give nice(19) to the cpu
ahahaha glue togheter ahahah
The name sucks, the performance sucks and the innovation sucks... maybe next time intel
30!
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It will be fine to buy if these are rock stable. That's the main question.
Both AMD and Intel cr*pped the bed with this current launch for performance, but both excelled on efficiency?
Nah AMD at least increased it’s performance whereas Intel went in the negative and decreased in performance while still being less efficient than Zen 5
The real winner are the X3D CPUs and those who have Zen4 and Ryzen 5000 series
Intel still not hitting the Zen levels of efficiency.