@@Dhruv-qw7jf"It was discovered that the FX-8150 performed poorly in benchmarks that were not highly threaded, falling behind the second-generation Intel Core i* series processors and being matched or even outperformed by AMD's own Phenom II X6 at lower clock speeds." -Wikipedia
I just recently built my music production pc using the 265K. Runs very fast, handles all plugins great, very snappy and not an issue. Coming from a 5950X and there is a nice noticeable difference. As for gaming I don't do that but for music production tasks, 265K has been on point.
nice, for mostly work loads, the new intel 200 series are better as benchmark showed some tied & but some others surpassed the AMD 9000 series. But for gaming, current gen AMD are better.
you understand that the Ryzen 5000 series came out when intel Released 10th gen right ? of course there will be a difference, will be sad if the Ryzen 5000 series will beat 5 generations of Intel CPU's but here we are and intel cant even compete with Ryzen 7000 series (3 generations later).
I'm grateful for this comment. I'm looking to build something for music production with a 265K as well. You're not having any latency/compatibility issues ?
Moores law didn’t mention 10% gain for each generation. Moores law stated that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit doubles every two years.
I have 2 PCs each with a CPU from AMD and Intel: 7950X3D with 4090 and 12900k with 3090. It was time to change out my intel PC so i gave that away to a family member recently. My new build wont be completely finished until the 5090 and DDR5 CUDIMMs come out but so far i have bought an ASUS Maximus Extreme MB, 1300w MSI PSU, mid tower Lian Li Case, numerous Noctua 120mm fans, and Corsair 360mm AIO. The 285k is so hard to find here in Canada because of it being sold out everywhere so I bought a 265k just to fill in the gap until then. I have put the system together with the many parts I have on hand just to get it up and running: 4090, DDR5 6800, 4TB Samsung NVME. So far so good, I love playing around with it. Can't wait for the 5090 and the new CUDIMM DDR5 memory to come out.
Comparison is the killer of joy. I think the intel chips look fine in a vacuum and address a lot of the complaints we had about previous gens. The problem is, AMD exists, and right now, their products are making intel look bad. Also, the main reason I will likely switch to AMD is the outrageous way intel handled their chips degrading and becoming damaged for years without bios updates. I have no faith any more in their ability to offer certainty and stability, which was a huge selling point for me. They now seem to be a fly by night operation.
I agree. Intel handling of the 13th/14th gen fiasco was covering their ass mode. They knew about the corrision issue for a year and told no one and left those chips in the channel. Now an Intel exec says "Intel Exec Promises Arrow Lake Fixes For Major Performance Gains". "How much of a performance boost? Hallock didn't say, and he also didn't elaborate on what those updates would be exactly, just that they were coming in a matter of weeks." Spin doctoring again Intel. Hello doesn't any one at Intel capabble of benchmarking their products BEFORE reelease. I do not buy products that have issues based on promises of future fixes.
Hmm, will you say this is a decent, less power hungry chip for productivity? Because this is how i see the 285k. I dont need the 3dV-cache, i just want a great chip for productivity.
I love my 9950x when properly tuned it is very fast. Much faster than reviews make it out to be. Part of it tuning windows properly and tuning memory too. 9800x3d is outstanding do I'm hopeful for 9950x3d and I'll upgrade again. Chips are easy to install and easy to resell.
@@jondonnelly3 yeah, that properly tuning turns me off massively, what the hell is the tuning?? and why the hell should we all be tuning our cpus to work as intented??? CPUs should work optimally right of the box.... but I guess thats too much asking in 2024
I’m going to build an Ultra 9 285 for the lower power for same performance (hopefully that means quieter), increased PCIe lanes and better thunderbolt support… but I’m going to wait a little while first!
I'm still on an i5 4670k, GTX 1070. I do a bit of everything with my PC, I'm on 1080, so the upgrade to an i7 ulta is going to be phenomenal. Gaming only accounts for 40% of my usage.
Hey man, love your videos so much and been using them as guide for my future creator pc build. I wanted to ask you how much of a difference it would make between a k and kf version of a 14th gen cpu. Should i spend less for the kf of pay slightly more for the regular k? Thanks in advance. Keep crushing it!
Depends what you are upgrading from. Am4? Raptor lake? Maybe not yet, unless you want to go all out in gaming. Am5 may only have one more CPU gen on it. I'll wait for next gen. Something on tariff could make everything even more expensive though.
@@massimocrulli4988 Beyond what these so called RUclips leakers like that sorry ass MLID and GC tell you. Yes it will just google "will novalake work on lga 1851" Beyond that I've read many different articles from some insiders suggesting it will support up to NovaLake. Any thing beyond is not certain.
i depends, many people just buy the latest. unless you have also the 4090 and high end monitors, but for 1080p stay and put money on a good monitor first
The new IGPUs in AMD chips are outrageously good. I just bought my mother-in-law one and she games on it if you can believe. She even games new AAA game titles on 1080p. Makes sense though because they make all of the SOCs for Xbox and PlayStation.
@@Ace-Brigade iGPU for encode / decode of supported codex is what I meant. Intel iGPUs were really good at increasing render speed for certain codex. Not talking gaming. I'm hoping for a breakdown between Intel and AMD on the onboard supported codex.
@@Ace-Brigade arrowlake igpu is 2-2,5x as fast as regular zen4/zen5 igpu and roughly on par with zen4 APUs. arrowlake currently has the strongest igpu in combination with the strongest cpu.
Yeah i love Intel and have upgraded every gen sense the Pentium days. It wasn't till 14th gen when i started running into blue screens crashes and RMA two chips that i started to question Intel. I bought the 265k Arrow Lake and if a game had anti cheat it would immediately crash. I did get some insane overclocks though. But with latest updates and even beta microcode updates still haven't fixed its issues. I got a 9800X3d on launch and have overlocked it to some impressive fps gains in games.
I agree. I have the 11900k paired with a ROG Strix RTX 4080 Super and it works perfectly. And the best thing about the "old" 11900k is, it won't fail like the 13/14th gen. Maybe I'll get the 285k later when Z890 bios matures more. We'll see.
Hi, love your work. Planning to be a creator myself so wanted to know from the experienced one whats the realtime difference in 4k export in terms of time taken between ulta 9 and 7950x3d? (Only skeptical to go with intel because of the degradation issue even though i know they are better)
Thank for these amazing videos you make .. but can you explain to me what the LGA 1700 platform ? I have i9-12900k Rtx 30380 Gigabyte z690 gaming x ddr4 - I was thinking of upgrading my pc .. but I have no idea what would be the best option .. and now that I got my answer .. I didn’t understand it .. thanks in advance
Your 12900K is good for a couple more years. If you want to upgrade, it's either gonna be on a DDR5 motherboard since DDR4 memory kits do not fit in DDR5 motherboards; or you upgrade your GPU to the RTX 4000 series or the RTX 5000 series launching next year. LGA 1700 supports only the 12th, 13th, and 14th gens of Intel CPU. The Core Ultra 200s series will only work with the new platform LGA 1851 which is also DDR5 only. Any of the past gens of intel cpu will not work in LGA 1851 as well.
Just finished building a 12900k build coming from a 4790k. I got to do my first 'daily' use stress test by gaming all day for the first time Yesterday and I am very happy with it. That was one helluva stressful build! Got it done though and everything went about as perfect as you can imagine- there's always a few little kinks but nothing wrong with any hardware, thank god- I could hardly afford this thing in the first place. Nice vid- makes me even more happy about my choice of new CPU.
I haven’t heard a more incorrect description of CUDIMM yet. The memory controller is still on the CPU, the module on the RAM stick is just a clock redriver. It helps with signal integrity.
Why the hell did Intel release the CPU then. Wait until the fixes are released. Does Intel not have the capability of testing samples? Sorry I do not buy products based on future promises.
@GregM yep they definitely rushed this when they should have just focused on quality even though AMD was coming out with a killer CPU. It would have been better for them in the long run.
can you help me with the choice? Intel: Core Ultra 9 285K and 2x Arc A770 or Battlemage GPUs or AMD: Ryzen 9950X3D and 2x RX Radeon 7900XTX GPUs I want to use it for the following: Gaming, Streaming, Recording, Working (Adobe Creative Cloud, Microsoft Office, Jetbrains FL Studio, Unreal Engine 5, Blender) Editing, Content Creation
2 gpus??? lol you only need that for strict GPU rendering and Resolve, and no one in its right mind would put 1, let alone TWO radeon cards for work... if you do productivity only Nvidia ,everything is built for them (and hey, they can game perfectly fine too!).... cpu if you take gaming seriously then the AMD would be better
I cant decide what to do between a 265k or a 9800X3D (was able to preorder for Dec 19th). LGA 1851 supported until 2026 and AM5 2027. Clear winner is AMD but for some reason part of me still wants 265k since that is all I have ever used for my builds is Intel CPUs for over 20 years. Currently on a 10Gen LGA 1200 Intel Core i7-10700K.
Go for the 265k $380 at Microcenter and will get you most of the performance of the Ultra 9 and will dog walk AMD in productivity task. Also wait for Microcode updates and CUDIMM these chips will get massively better.
I limited 9950X's temperature to 65C and got 62000 points with passmark. HWinfo tells maximum package power during test was 143.365W. It is not bad as I come from Intel 2600K which gives 5697 points.
Good to know that i am not the only one. I am on the Intel i7 10 Gen and looking to upgrade and i have heard nothing but disappointment for intel lately.
Have you or anyone else done any testing regarding performance impacts for the microcode update for 13/14th gen? I'm considering getting one of those because they are getting cheaper. Something like an i5 or i7
Hello, can you do a 4000/5000€ beast pc update when the 5090 will be launched please ? Also would you still recommend the P44 Pro SSD for Windows and T990 Pro for files, or other new SSDs ?
Heres a big one, INtel developed AVX-512 and it doesn't have AVX-512 cause screw the things that made use of it for huge speed increases, know what does have AVX-512? AMD's 9000 series.
I'm really surprised that they didn't include AVX-512 in this lineup. Maybe it is some kind of reverse sunk cost fallacy. AVX-512 is definitely useful, although more so for servers than for consumer PC's (for servers performance is more useful than for PC's anyway, mine is now idling at 1-3% after all).
Back in June, I migrated to 12400F from 4790K. Motherboard and RAM and SSD changes, too. From DDR4 1866 to DDR5 6000 and 850 Pro SATA to 980 Pro M.2 NVme. Does everything I need and more with the same GPU which is the GTX 1080ti. Stories about all the 13th and 14th Gen processors make me glad I didn't jump to one those generations. The ones that came after 14th Gen seem reasonable, but I am still going to hang onto this 12th Gen like I did with the 4790K.
Went from 12600K to 14700KF on a Z690 board - which, by pure luck/coincidence, was the right thing to do. That's because I upgraded in late 2023 so there was no way to foresee that the Core Ultra series would be a bit underwhelming WRT uplift. And no: My chip hasn't blown itself up or started to degrade. I guess not using those silly, "no-limits" default BIOS settings helps with that.. :D
hi I was planning to get it, but i dont know... i have the i9-9900K with a rtx4080 at moment.. do you think i have to upgrade or i must wait an other year? i want for 3d renders blender and videomaking.. so not amd fan at all amd is mostly for gamers. Give me your opinions pls ♥
When in doubt, wait. Do you need an upgrade? Is it valuable to you? You mustn't do anything, and benchmarks for your fave 3D rendering & vid apps should be easy enough to find. I'd respect those more than opinions of some randos on the interweb. Remember that upgrading is not free also when it comes to spent time and this platform does seem to have some bugs. Prices will come down as well, they must given the market situation.
@@owlstead yeah my plan was to upgrade the cpu (motherboard+ram) every 6 years like... but the new i9 look like i must wait the next year for better... btw with my first gen i9 yeah in many cases i hear the bottleneck
At this stage I think I'll stick with 13900k, possibly 14900ks The irony is that in recent years I have been thinking more and more about switching to AMD The long support of AMD with their sockets should not be underestimated, each new motherboard costs a lot of money, which for AM5 is an offer to change only the processor
All of the GPUs can also handle h.264 for timeline, encode, and decode. I believe, and I may be wrong, that this also applies to the iGPU in Ryzen now as well.
@@Revenant_Knight They can all handle it, but Intel's quicksync means it does it faster than any AMD or Nvidia chip. In tests with last gen, with h.264, pugetbench showed intels chip can be anywhere from 3-7x faster than AMD (timeline and exporting). For people that use premiere and that codec, this is very useful information.
@ Of course but that’s with a very specific codec used predominantly by pro shooters at 4:2:2 10bit which is in the realm of $5K body only cameras. For the average consumer, editing video from a phone or consumer grade camera, they won’t see much of any difference. While having the ability in your back pocket is nice, even most professional events don’t venture that far. When we filmed Ted X Talks their contract stipulated quality levels that could be achieved on I7-2600K and GTX 570. You aren’t wrong. I want to make that clear, but the context has to be there and I suppose I should have specified I was thinking from a consumer level and not a pro level.
@@Revenant_Knight Think you're mistaking it for something else. h.264 (also known is avc) is the most popular video codec used anywhere and everywhere - look it up. Some codecs, like apple prores, don't really favour intel or amd, but h.264 on premiere pro is very popular and common and works better with Intel - important information people should be aware of.
asking the real question!! my take is this, intel latest is kind of green/rough and will probably be updated on drivers and so on, also, it will work way better if you can find CUDIMMs ram which for now is almost non existant... so if you adopt the platform now you will probably have to refresh install your system with bios and firmware updates (and prob RAM) in some months from now... AMD is kind of stablished and working fine, even if the latest 9000s series has also lots of problems and compatibility issues (and in Windows theres lots of problems, you need to correctly set them up etc...)
@@daveinstlouis7296 Sorry just seen this, the PC is mainly going to be used to run multiple Virtual machines, some video and photo editing and occasional game. But mainly a productivity.
I wanted one, but I went with the 9800X3D either though you really can't use 8000MT/s RAM like you can with Intel. I guess I just have to live with 6400MT/s RAM for now.
I need to build a new rig mostly for CAD/CAM applications really struggling with my decision to go with the 14900k and risk having issues or move over to AMD with something like 9900x. Most of these software recommend intel but Im worried since the 14900k has so many bad reviews and issues!
I've been running AMD for years now ever since rysen 3 came out. They are amazing chips. I use a lot of productivity apps for programming and also game and they are just plain beasts. I pulled out a 5900X and swapped it with a 5800X3D in a couple of my machines and while I did get uplifts that 5900X was more than enough. There's really no need to upgrade beyond AM4 at this point unless you're chasing having the fastest thing eve or are building a new machine. Either way they have been eating Intel's lunch. I still have an Intel chip in my laptop but I don't use it very often.
depend on your budged nobody who is clear in his mind will recomend you the 13/14th gen Intel CPU's and why ? Just look up the 100% failure rate on the 13/14th gen Intel CPU's. So here we are with the Ultra series, are you sure you want to waste your money when there is a better product around called Ryzen 7000 and 9000 seires ? 265k so this mean you want to play video games, so why dont buy the fastest or secound fastest Gaming CPU on this planet who consume 50 or 70% less power then the Ultra series and perform 30 - 60% better ? for real i had the i7 4790k too back then and belive me or not, Ryzen changed my mind about intel.
@@allxtend4005 yeah the instability issues were what was leaning me towards the 265k. I’ve been unsure about the Ryzens due to the lower cores for performance, but the 9950x is keeping me curious on how it’s high up in a lot of benchmarks, and has low wattage. Would that be a good purchase paired with a Proart x860E? I am looking for something that gives good performance for gaming but especially productivity
Wait for another month or so. INTEL is fixing the problems and there should be a good performance boost. I think that point 285K is the go. That said wait till Battlemage that is also rumoured to launch in about months time. All INTEL system on paper looks like 5080 performance but $1000 cheaper give and take. The new Arrow Lake has lot of headroom to overclock. We are already seeing 35% gains with bad Win11 support and BIOS's. I predict a big jump with INTEL fix. Also there are big differences on MB performance. Avoid ASUS. It seems to fry the CPU and has bad performance. Personally it is MSI for me.
I am probably one of the few that preorderd the 285k in my country , I'm not interested in gaming performance but I'm a video editor and motion graphics person and I've been using my laptop for years until it recently died on me. There isn't much choice for me realistically amd doesn't have quicksync and I'm not that keen on 14th gen so only option was 285k, I love the extra io on the z890 motherboards, thunderbolt 5 and I've seen that in Premiere it's the best performing cpu for the most part, I'm sure there will be issues as with all new platforms but I'm really super excited, arrives next week and I'll be checking out your build guides for sure. It's been a while since a built a system.. Using standard ram for now until large capacity CUDIMM's are available
Nice choice & agree with your choice, for mostly work loads, the new intel 200 series are better as benchmark showed some tied & but some others surpassed the AMD 9000 series. But for gaming, current gen AMD are better.
@arthur_pd yeah totally for gaming Intel doesn't have an answer to 3d cache but for productivity the 285k is pretty decent, particularly in Premiere it mostly beats out everything
I'm on 12th gen currently both i3 and N100 was picked for power at idle as my machine stay near idle 90% of the time but I need power to be there now so I am looking a 7945HX(Zen 4 16c/32t basically a 7950x in extreme low power profile) hybrid ITX boards or the 7950X with cheap B650i AX ITX board regardless, and case I plan is very tiny. I love mini builds. Had high end gaming build that heat the house in winter but after a couple of OC record you realise you don't need 150w+ for 90% of the time so bigger intel chips have always been to hungry and these are a little lame unless you push a lot of power into them and then they are not so eco friendly. Shame Lunar lake has such a low end GPU. I like the idea of faster on die (G)DDR ram. My dream is a micro PC which has a good igpu. That why I holding on till strix Halo Max lands as 12c/24t and 40 CU igpu, hopefully a 16/32 and 40+ cu chip will come than tower PC's are a thing of the passed for most people that are not gamer's. DB790i from minusforum is tempting me but currently pricey, but they keep popping up in Amazon and allieexpress, Minusforum seem to have the belief British people should pay more and Dollar and GBP is the same exchange rate. This is why I hate Brexit as I used to buy so much cheaper hardware out of EU and sell it marked up and still be cheaper than US companies. Nvidia and AMD stock was well cheap. I got a new FX 8150 on release week for only £140 from Germany UK price £200-250 at the time. I'm a linux user so AMD or Intel FTW.
I'm about to build a workstation for photo and video editing, but not sure what to get. Budget is around 6000€ but I'm completely lost with the new CPU's. Any advice?
same same... 3 months ago best cpu was hands down the 7950X after the INTEL fiasco with the 14000s degrading, then came the AMD 9000s to a dissapointing lunch... now INTEL dropped the ball, so its either getting a 9950 (thats THE best productivity CPU right now) or waiting for INTEL to put out something decent on the market
@@HellPedre on the video he recommends to go to the intel 14th gen but I'm sceptical about buying that gen after all the official issues. It's a tough decision since we're talking about a big investment
@@trizy7078 no fkng way is by any metric a good recommendation, its like saying "hey but now its cheap and *apparently* it wont degrade! but you will never really know!" also makes no sense to recommend a literal dead socket, which is also missing PCI lanes critically so any non core ultra cpu is an absolute NO go to build a modern WS... for your WS btw all benchmarks show AMD better in photoshop, as its almost on par in resolve (premiere favors Intel quite more) so if you are building a WS for that Id say going AMD is the smartest choice right now, also 6k is overkill, you can totally do a 9950x with 128gb RAM and a 4070ti super or a 4080 super for 4k, but being that the 5xxx series is around the corner I wouldnt spent 2k on a 4090 and save it for the next series
@@HellPedre Thanks for your detailed answer. As I said, I only need the pc for work purposes. It won't be used for gaming at all so I'm not worried about fps or gaming performance (just saying that cause some creators build a pc for both purposes work and gaming). 9950X seems like a solid choice right now. Do you reckon the X3D version might outperform the non X3D? I know the X3D are built for gaming, but not sure if I could see any advantage specially for video editing. Waiting for Intel doesn't seem to be an option right now with the Arrow lake CPU's already released. It will take them a few months to come up with something new. Hopefully we'll see a performance test on this channel with the Ryzen 9xxx series.
you’re gonna give intel credit for 14th gen!!!?!? bro are you crazy! nooooo! 14th was almost a straight rehash of 13th gen and you gonna sit there and say it counts as an extra generation compared to Ryzen??!?!
Tech Notice : you forgot to mention Shintels cheating technique using the 24-pin connector to deliver 80-90 Watts of PWR to the CPU....trying to portray them as more efficient. You also forgot to mention the Core Ultra 9 285 being around 25 % - 30 % slower than the i9 14900K, while the i9 14900K is already around 30 % slower on average than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D.
As someone who had an AMD bulldozer 8120 and seeing it getting bulldozed by intel in single and even some multi threads, i can see Intel's going through the same phase. Its time for AMD to amass 50% of market share from the current 30% in desktops.
I do not agree when you have a 12th gen to go for a 14 gen 14900K. I would always go for the 285K! The 285K consumes way less power and if you know what to do and disable DLVR in the bios you can save easy 70/80 watts in all core load R23 and so on. Intel is bringing a bios update and MS is working on new scedulers as well. Soon the 285K will be a lot better then the 14900K and use like half the power in gaming and other load. Turning of Core Isolation will give an instant boost of 10% average over multiple games. Bios updates and Windows updates will help again and new CUDIMM that is almost here will give 10% more FPS in gaming and easy surpasing 14900K when bios, MS and ram is fixed. So go for the Core Ultra 9 285K if you want to upgrade. DOn't buy 14th gen. I have a 14700KF undervolted and Vcore limited. It is way better then stock. But i would go for the new Intel. 4 more pci-e lanes is huge. Like AMD already has.
@@Ace-Brigade "far" wow, thats a STRETCH ... a BIG one... also, no benchmark shows that, literally, 285 is top of the line for productivity and can totally game on par with the AMD chips for anything above 1080p, the problem it has is that its not regular across the board with games and the platform needs some maturity, anything other the new CPUs are totally on par with AMD in terms of efficiency and processing power
THIS, so much THIS. I really cant understand how can this guy KEEPS recommending the literally most inefficient degrading dead socket PCI limited CPU known to man, if the core ultra series wont exist to be honest the only option NOW for both gaming and productivity would be AMD
@@HellPedreDude youre comparing an i9 part to an R7 part... The only merit the 285k has, is that it is here right now. It is the right cpu for you, if you: can't wait 2 months, want to do more productivity, but somehow still want mediocre but not great gaming performance, want to buy cudimm right now, have at least 360mm AIO cooling , don't mind spending a lot on a dead end motherboard platform, and mostly: shill Intel more. If you want gaming then 9800x3d is a clear winner. If you want productivity like photoshop, then 9950x wins. If you want specific workloads where Intel excels then have fun with cinebench and 7zip compression (only) test. And here's the kicker: intel only wins in those 2 specific areas because of the memory bandwidth. Cudimm support that intel already has, will be expanded to amd 9000 series. Also, x3d chips don't benefit as much from faster memory. So in gaming, 9800x3d is already set, you don't need a new board, new ram thats barely available, and it can be air cooled well. In productivity 9950x is the overall winner, but you should really wait for x3d version. And gaming & productivity combined, the 9950x3d will be a champion The cope here is unparalelled and well deserved
@@balazsrako9528 hahaha well first I never compared it to any specific AMD CPU, second np I don't mind gaming, 3rd I saw more benchmarks than you and the 285 is better in resolve offline rendering unreal and coding compilation. at the end of the day you can shill to AMD for what anyone cares, I'd love not to have to wait until the new platform matures, more ram is available there's better bios settings and so on, but literally no ones recommends 9xxxs series except for the 9800x3d which is an OK productivity CPU and and ofc no one disputes it's gaming crown which was not the original point I was replying to
Looking at the benchmarks, "massive" only maybe in Machine learning. Otherwise minor gains. AMD's 3D cache is much cheaper alternative.48GB for $600, no thanks...
@@Nayah9 Not true, in gaming sure the 9800x3d beats it but productivity task ARL shits all over AMD, And I just bought a kit of Cudimm for just $20 more then what I paid for the same none Cudimm 32gb kit.
Guys i need help i need a CPU for 1440p Gaming with 4090 + 1080p60 Streaming on Twitch at the same time but i don't what to pick i9-14900k or 7950x3d what should i pick?
@@TTV_DA11Kingbtw yes, it should handle it very well. Unless you are not rushing to build one, I would recommend to wait for 9950x3d to come out and get that instead. But for streaming and gaming only. 9800x3d is doing just fine.
Why are you comparing number of generations? 14th gen is just rehashed 13th gen, and at the end of the day the number of "new" generations doesn't matter it's the performance metrics, and in that regard Intel is getting stomped.
wait you recomend the 13/14th gen Intel CPU's that has a very high Failure rate ? why just dont say "if you're a fanboy buy the Ultra Core" and "if you dont be braindead then just buy Ryzen 7000/9000 series because way more efficient, cheaper, deliver more performance" who care about 8000 mhz ram if it do not impact in any performance uplifts ?
They have a bios fix, and 5 years of warranty. I'm already on the Intel so it make sense for me. Failure rate comes from overvolting the CPU, and am5 isn't worth upgrading due to high prices for little gains.
@@oneanother1 It doesn't come from overvolting and switching between the two processors is as easy as buying a new motherboard. Something I know you Intell fan boys do all the time.
@@Ace-Brigade where does it come from then? I mean if you really want to go zen5%, no one is stopping you. Yet to see anything to upgrade to from raptor lake. Remember when zen4 had too much voltage and completely destroyed the CPU? Amd fanboys are balls to the wall, but their GPUs totally suck.
I don't care what people say. If you use your PC for productivity and game only story mode games, that will play well with 60-165hz, you are good to go. Nothing beats this CPU when it comes to productivity as it is now WITH A LOW TDP. I'm sure most of us here, are work first, game later. This CPU is perfect for that. Don't upgrade yet. Let them work out the kinks and jump in 3-8 months from now. It's a good CPU IMO.
you can get a 32gb ddr5 kit an upgrade later to a CUDIMM 32gb kit when they drop in price and get a great jump in performance. it would be nice if CUDIMM came out at a reasonable price but doubt that will happen
You're talking like 9950x is bad for productivity... Also, there a thing called 9950X3d coming, and you have plenty of years of upgrades if you use AM5. So... what's the reason to buy Arrow Lake right now?
First of all: Calling the 14th gen a new gen is really, really, really stretching it. It is not more than a better binned 13th Gen. This is also the reason, why both had the same issues. Second: If you are a professional who needs lot and lot of cores that pack a punch, you would never go with the Desktop-Variants of Intel that have little cores and big cores. Although i think benchmarks like cinebench are not a good benchmark, but whatever. It is good enough to compare Numbers. But Videoediting/Rendering is more a GPU-Thing in my opinion. Multi-Core-CPU's are perfect for Virtual-machines. And why should someone bother with efficiency-cores for usecases like this. And if i just go for cores as a professional, i would definitly choose threadripper over this. And Efficiency by the way: Which efficiency? There are a ton of CPU's out there, that are more efficient then Intels Offerings. So, in none of those areas does the Ultra-series score? The new Processor-offerings without patches from Intel are absolutly worthless. They should get their sh.. together soon, or they will run out of Business without new fundings.
Same! 9900KS due to a crazy Xmas sale that was only $20 more than regular 9900K. I had to wait 3 weeks for the backlog of orders. I put it on 420mm Frozer water cooler, never looked back since! It can probably do 5.4Mhz but I'm a dummy when it comes to setting the 12 pages of bios setting voltages. CHEERS!
If you're on Intel 11th gen, 12th gen, whatever, and look for efficiency, performance or bang for buck then your best option will be AMD. The only things where this Intel series makes sense are core heavy workloads like code compilation. For gaming, AMD X3D CPUs offer better performance, efficiency and bang for buck. The new 7600X3D is a good budget option, 9800X3D is on the other hand the performance king. While the new Intel CPUs are more efficient than their earlier ones, they are still power hungry.
Even then you better be compiling massive applications. I code on mine and have never had a single issue compiling fairly large applications. I'm not building Chrome but plenty of other large applications. The only time that really matters is if you are compiling operating systems or browsers in a production environment many many times over in a day.
Intel ultra is a monster have VMware installed beats my i9 13900k makes think intel some how did not have gaming in mind make me think somewhere there’s a limitation to the graphics through the pci express. Probably will be fix on the next gen. Anyway I am enjoying it with my work as a imaging a modifying virtual machines for companies. Not sure that because of the removal of the hyperthreading. It’s a win is you don’t think about fps numbers
I see it as tailor made for Battlemage. PCIe 5.0 direct access to CPU with 8 pin power. No Hyper-Threading Technology but very good E Cores. CUDIMM. I think INTEL has all INTEL system in mind and on paper it looks 5080 performance and $1000 cheaper. APO also has a great potential to boost the performance. FPS numbers from INTEL ARC architecture you need double from AMD/Nvidia architecture. I run A770/i7-13700k for 4k. Great entry level for 4k that runs almost all at mid/high settings with RT. XeSS XMX supported games just great. Anything over 40FPS is a good experience. AMD/Nvidia you need double because half the frames are broken and out of sync. It is the difference between single and double silicon architecture where INTEL splits the tasks between CPU/GPU via REBAR. AMD/Nvidia all tasks are for the GPU and CPU is only there to feed it so Wattage goes up.
Intel is learning from there mistakes after 14 gen Cpus ! The path that AMD had already taken , But let's be honest, the problems of the previous generation were exaggerated They will definitely come back strong, I just hope they can survive this tough phase , im sure they will suprising us in panther lake
The last stable intel cpu wss the 12900k, 4 generations later things went downhill with the 14900k, arrow lake doesn't offers much, for just one pc maybe ok, but for STUDIO Professional production the Threadrippers reamain king, and anything that doesn't needs a Threadripper the 9950x is a real beast, after repeated intel failures is impossible to expect any further improvement anytime soon, the only thi g keeping intel afloat for now is that AMD can't keep with the demand and the 7000s and 9000s are constantly sold out, gamers are tram red and many of us (producers) became team red recently because the instability of the 14000s series, with less revenue Intel will start getting behind, and this attempt to overprice the arrow lake series is a desperate way to survive, but is impossible a cheap product perform better than a higher quality one, they cut production cost but arrow lake is as expensive as a ryzen 9, we don't have enough info about durability of this new chips, but my experience tells me everytime companies cut production cost hurts quality
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I purposely spent $3000 to build a new Intel 200S system so I could run Cinebench R23 all day every day.
Lol this made me smile
Keep going king, Intel needs users like you to not go bankrupt💀
The sad thing is it still loses.
If you are a gamer: Good decision! If you are a creator: Bad decision!
Yeah I'll go from a 13700K to a 9950X3D.
Bye Intel !
@@AngryChineseWoman what a downgrade... STAY WITH INTEL
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Upgrade* Look at the 9800x3d It demolishes the i9 14900k in gaming :P WHILE using less power and LESS heat output.
@@FO0TMinecraftPVPbro is an Intel employee
congratulations for your upgrade
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP downgrade lol
Intel having their AMD bullzoder moment.
not quite, bulldozer was slow like error lake is now, except bulldozers 220w cpu pulled way to much energy at that time
@@scudsturm1 was bulldozer slower than AND's then last-gen offerings?
@@Dhruv-qw7jf"It was discovered that the FX-8150 performed poorly in benchmarks that were not highly threaded, falling behind the second-generation Intel Core i* series processors and being matched or even outperformed by AMD's own Phenom II X6 at lower clock speeds." -Wikipedia
bulldozer was an abomination, those error lake chips are quite energy efficient in comparison with Bulli
Ohhj boy!
I just recently built my music production pc using the 265K. Runs very fast, handles all plugins great, very snappy and not an issue. Coming from a 5950X and there is a nice noticeable difference. As for gaming I don't do that but for music production tasks, 265K has been on point.
nice, for mostly work loads, the new intel 200 series are better as benchmark showed some tied & but some others surpassed the AMD 9000 series. But for gaming, current gen AMD are better.
you understand that the Ryzen 5000 series came out when intel Released 10th gen right ? of course there will be a difference, will be sad if the Ryzen 5000 series will beat 5 generations of Intel CPU's but here we are and intel cant even compete with Ryzen 7000 series (3 generations later).
the 265k is a great pick, I have a 12600k and looking to update everything to the 265K
I'm grateful for this comment. I'm looking to build something for music production with a 265K as well. You're not having any latency/compatibility issues ?
Outstanding for work! 9800X3D is a joke when it comes to productivity.
It's actually 10 GigaTransfers not Gigahertz for the memory :P
CUDIMMS just have a “clock driver” that repeats the signal to boost signal integrity. It’s nothing super fancy but solves a large problem.
I own a 14700 and will stay with it!
14900k also doublea as a space heater which is a bonus if you live in a cold climate. I live in Texas so thats a problem! 😅
I live in Montreal, Canada. I think you've sold me on buying a heater that doubles as a CPU.
@dadozygaming 🥵 👀
Moores law didn’t mention 10% gain for each generation.
Moores law stated that the number of transistors in an integrated circuit doubles every two years.
I have 2 PCs each with a CPU from AMD and Intel: 7950X3D with 4090 and 12900k with 3090.
It was time to change out my intel PC so i gave that away to a family member recently.
My new build wont be completely finished until the 5090 and DDR5 CUDIMMs come out but so far i have bought an ASUS Maximus Extreme MB, 1300w MSI PSU, mid tower Lian Li Case, numerous Noctua 120mm fans, and Corsair 360mm AIO. The 285k is so hard to find here in Canada because of it being sold out everywhere so I bought a 265k just to fill in the gap until then. I have put the system together with the many parts I have on hand just to get it up and running: 4090, DDR5 6800, 4TB Samsung NVME. So far so good, I love playing around with it. Can't wait for the 5090 and the new CUDIMM DDR5 memory to come out.
Maybe wait for the update that's coming in a few weeks. Intel says something is not correct.
Comparison is the killer of joy. I think the intel chips look fine in a vacuum and address a lot of the complaints we had about previous gens. The problem is, AMD exists, and right now, their products are making intel look bad. Also, the main reason I will likely switch to AMD is the outrageous way intel handled their chips degrading and becoming damaged for years without bios updates. I have no faith any more in their ability to offer certainty and stability, which was a huge selling point for me. They now seem to be a fly by night operation.
I agree. Intel handling of the 13th/14th gen fiasco was covering their ass mode. They knew about the corrision issue for a year and told no one and left those chips in the channel. Now an Intel exec says "Intel Exec Promises Arrow Lake Fixes For Major Performance Gains". "How much of a performance boost? Hallock didn't say, and he also didn't elaborate on what those updates would be exactly, just that they were coming in a matter of weeks." Spin doctoring again Intel.
Hello doesn't any one at Intel capabble of benchmarking their products BEFORE reelease. I do not buy products that have issues based on promises of future fixes.
Hmm, will you say this is a decent, less power hungry chip for productivity? Because this is how i see the 285k. I dont need the 3dV-cache, i just want a great chip for productivity.
We need review for the 9800X3D and 9900X for productivity.
I love my 9950x when properly tuned it is very fast. Much faster than reviews make it out to be. Part of it tuning windows properly and tuning memory too. 9800x3d is outstanding do I'm hopeful for 9950x3d and I'll upgrade again. Chips are easy to install and easy to resell.
@@jondonnelly3 yeah, that properly tuning turns me off massively, what the hell is the tuning?? and why the hell should we all be tuning our cpus to work as intented??? CPUs should work optimally right of the box.... but I guess thats too much asking in 2024
There are benchmarks on PUGET systems of almost every new cpu
@@7eave1 Thanks! I'm going to check them out.
I’m going to build an Ultra 9 285 for the lower power for same performance (hopefully that means quieter), increased PCIe lanes and better thunderbolt support… but I’m going to wait a little while first!
I'm still on an i5 4670k, GTX 1070. I do a bit of everything with my PC, I'm on 1080, so the upgrade to an i7 ulta is going to be phenomenal. Gaming only accounts for 40% of my usage.
Hey man, love your videos so much and been using them as guide for my future creator pc build. I wanted to ask you how much of a difference it would make between a k and kf version of a 14th gen cpu. Should i spend less for the kf of pay slightly more for the regular k?
Thanks in advance.
Keep crushing it!
FYI, AMD Zen6 CPUs will also be using AM5. So all AM5 mobo are good beyond 2027! But go ahead & buy a Z890 mobo. No one will judge you.😂
THIS. Considering the upgrade path AM5 is offering you, going Intel now is just crazy... or fanboysm... or even sadism🤣
Depends what you are upgrading from. Am4? Raptor lake? Maybe not yet, unless you want to go all out in gaming. Am5 may only have one more CPU gen on it. I'll wait for next gen. Something on tariff could make everything even more expensive though.
Z890 Will support NovaLake in 2026 as well so.....
@thetheoryguy5544 Eh, what are you talking about? Nova Lake will be on a new socket in perfect Intel style..
@@massimocrulli4988 Beyond what these so called RUclips leakers like that sorry ass MLID and GC tell you. Yes it will just google "will novalake work on lga 1851" Beyond that I've read many different articles from some insiders suggesting it will support up to NovaLake. Any thing beyond is not certain.
Is the iGPU enough of a reason to stay with Intel? Do a direct comparison with AMD. Memory speed, iGPU, pci lanes, etc. Please
i depends, many people just buy the latest. unless you have also the 4090 and high end monitors, but for 1080p stay and put money on a good monitor first
its pretty good from what i have Seen from my testing
The new IGPUs in AMD chips are outrageously good. I just bought my mother-in-law one and she games on it if you can believe. She even games new AAA game titles on 1080p. Makes sense though because they make all of the SOCs for Xbox and PlayStation.
@@Ace-Brigade iGPU for encode / decode of supported codex is what I meant. Intel iGPUs were really good at increasing render speed for certain codex. Not talking gaming. I'm hoping for a breakdown between Intel and AMD on the onboard supported codex.
@@Ace-Brigade arrowlake igpu is 2-2,5x as fast as regular zen4/zen5 igpu and roughly on par with zen4 APUs.
arrowlake currently has the strongest igpu in combination with the strongest cpu.
Yeah i love Intel and have upgraded every gen sense the Pentium days. It wasn't till 14th gen when i started running into blue screens crashes and RMA two chips that i started to question Intel. I bought the 265k Arrow Lake and if a game had anti cheat it would immediately crash. I did get some insane overclocks though. But with latest updates and even beta microcode updates still haven't fixed its issues. I got a 9800X3d on launch and have overlocked it to some impressive fps gains in games.
Im having the same issue with EAC games locking up the pc once the bar gets to 100% on my 265k aswell. did you find a fix at all?
@@Mattvbro He returned it
Upgrading from an Intel i7 8700 to the Ryzen 7 9800x3D, last time i use AMD was an FX8120. Giving AMD a second chance
I have an i7 8700 and rx 6600 right now from what I can tell amd is the way to go over intel
i have 7th gen intel setup ,, should i upgrade in it?
you definitely should if you want a performance upgrade, try getting the core ultra 7, like i did, not too expensive like the core ultra 9
i have a 11900k and not planing on upgrading untill ddr5 and chiplet IMC matures a lot more, i play 144fps in 1440p no problem. not worth the upgrade
I agree. I have the 11900k paired with a ROG Strix RTX 4080 Super and it works perfectly. And the best thing about the "old" 11900k is, it won't fail like the 13/14th gen. Maybe I'll get the 285k later when Z890 bios matures more. We'll see.
Hi, love your work. Planning to be a creator myself so wanted to know from the experienced one whats the realtime difference in 4k export in terms of time taken between ulta 9 and 7950x3d? (Only skeptical to go with intel because of the degradation issue even though i know they are better)
Nice tips. How less top 200 serie CPU eats power less compares to top i14-9xxx? Just courious.
Thank for these amazing videos you make .. but can you explain to me what the LGA 1700 platform ?
I have
i9-12900k
Rtx 30380
Gigabyte z690 gaming x ddr4
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I was thinking of upgrading my pc .. but I have no idea what would be the best option .. and now that I got my answer .. I didn’t understand it .. thanks in advance
Your 12900K is good for a couple more years. If you want to upgrade, it's either gonna be on a DDR5 motherboard since DDR4 memory kits do not fit in DDR5 motherboards; or you upgrade your GPU to the RTX 4000 series or the RTX 5000 series launching next year.
LGA 1700 supports only the 12th, 13th, and 14th gens of Intel CPU. The Core Ultra 200s series will only work with the new platform LGA 1851 which is also DDR5 only. Any of the past gens of intel cpu will not work in LGA 1851 as well.
Just finished building a 12900k build coming from a 4790k. I got to do my first 'daily' use stress test by gaming all day for the first time Yesterday and I am very happy with it. That was one helluva stressful build! Got it done though and everything went about as perfect as you can imagine- there's always a few little kinks but nothing wrong with any hardware, thank god- I could hardly afford this thing in the first place. Nice vid- makes me even more happy about my choice of new CPU.
should I upgrade from i7-6700K to Ultra 9 or best AMD for productivity?
no
I haven’t heard a more incorrect description of CUDIMM yet. The memory controller is still on the CPU, the module on the RAM stick is just a clock redriver. It helps with signal integrity.
Keep an eye out for the software update in about a month. It will fix many of our issues w/ the 200s CPUs.
I hope you're right
Why the hell did Intel release the CPU then. Wait until the fixes are released. Does Intel not have the capability of testing samples? Sorry I do not buy products based on future promises.
@GregM yep they definitely rushed this when they should have just focused on quality even though AMD was coming out with a killer CPU. It would have been better for them in the long run.
can you help me with the choice?
Intel: Core Ultra 9 285K and 2x Arc A770 or Battlemage GPUs
or
AMD: Ryzen 9950X3D and 2x RX Radeon 7900XTX GPUs
I want to use it for the following:
Gaming, Streaming, Recording, Working (Adobe Creative Cloud, Microsoft Office, Jetbrains FL Studio, Unreal Engine 5, Blender) Editing, Content Creation
No, because you haven't specified what you want to do with it. And neither is an option because you'd not use two GPU's on any consumer platform.
@owlstead
Gaming with mods
Streaming
Recording
Adobe Creative Cloud
Microsoft Office
Jetbrains
Unreal Engine 5
FL Studio
2 gpus??? lol you only need that for strict GPU rendering and Resolve, and no one in its right mind would put 1, let alone TWO radeon cards for work... if you do productivity only Nvidia ,everything is built for them (and hey, they can game perfectly fine too!).... cpu if you take gaming seriously then the AMD would be better
I cant decide what to do between a 265k or a 9800X3D (was able to preorder for Dec 19th). LGA 1851 supported until 2026 and AM5 2027. Clear winner is AMD but for some reason part of me still wants 265k since that is all I have ever used for my builds is Intel CPUs for over 20 years. Currently on a 10Gen LGA 1200 Intel Core i7-10700K.
Go for the 265k $380 at Microcenter and will get you most of the performance of the Ultra 9 and will dog walk AMD in productivity task. Also wait for Microcode updates and CUDIMM these chips will get massively better.
Not going to be a fanboy so I will say if getting max FPS in gaming is all you care about go with X3D
20 years a go i choose intel, now i choose amd. I just care the winner in every side.
I limited 9950X's temperature to 65C and got 62000 points with passmark. HWinfo tells maximum package power during test was 143.365W. It is not bad as I come from Intel 2600K which gives 5697 points.
going from an Intel 9600k to a 9800x3d
Good to know that i am not the only one. I am on the Intel i7 10 Gen and looking to upgrade and i have heard nothing but disappointment for intel lately.
lol 9800x3d is already sold in most countries, so you are a bit late
and don't change gpu
@@bias69 he doesn't have any gpu
@@TonyMasters-u2w I already got one pre ordered for december
Have you or anyone else done any testing regarding performance impacts for the microcode update for 13/14th gen? I'm considering getting one of those because they are getting cheaper. Something like an i5 or i7
Hello, can you do a 4000/5000€ beast pc update when the 5090 will be launched please ?
Also would you still recommend the P44 Pro SSD for Windows and T990 Pro for files, or other new SSDs ?
Heres a big one, INtel developed AVX-512 and it doesn't have AVX-512 cause screw the things that made use of it for huge speed increases, know what does have AVX-512? AMD's 9000 series.
I'm really surprised that they didn't include AVX-512 in this lineup. Maybe it is some kind of reverse sunk cost fallacy. AVX-512 is definitely useful, although more so for servers than for consumer PC's (for servers performance is more useful than for PC's anyway, mine is now idling at 1-3% after all).
Back in June, I migrated to 12400F from 4790K. Motherboard and RAM and SSD changes, too. From DDR4 1866 to DDR5 6000 and 850 Pro SATA to 980 Pro M.2 NVme. Does everything I need and more with the same GPU which is the GTX 1080ti. Stories about all the 13th and 14th Gen processors make me glad I didn't jump to one those generations. The ones that came after 14th Gen seem reasonable, but I am still going to hang onto this 12th Gen like I did with the 4790K.
12700K i keep it, makes what i want (gaming, excel, word, surfing, youtube)
Went from 12600K to 14700KF on a Z690 board - which, by pure luck/coincidence, was the right thing to do. That's because I upgraded in late 2023 so there was no way to foresee that the Core Ultra series would be a bit underwhelming WRT uplift. And no: My chip hasn't blown itself up or started to degrade. I guess not using those silly, "no-limits" default BIOS settings helps with that.. :D
Im coming from a 2600K, i guess my Jump will be HUGE :D :D
iGPU says it can H.266 alias VVC decode/encode, ist this true??
hi I was planning to get it, but i dont know... i have the i9-9900K with a rtx4080 at moment.. do you think i have to upgrade or i must wait an other year? i want for 3d renders blender and videomaking.. so not amd fan at all amd is mostly for gamers. Give me your opinions pls ♥
When in doubt, wait. Do you need an upgrade? Is it valuable to you? You mustn't do anything, and benchmarks for your fave 3D rendering & vid apps should be easy enough to find. I'd respect those more than opinions of some randos on the interweb. Remember that upgrading is not free also when it comes to spent time and this platform does seem to have some bugs. Prices will come down as well, they must given the market situation.
@@owlstead yeah my plan was to upgrade the cpu (motherboard+ram) every 6 years like... but the new i9 look like i must wait the next year for better... btw with my first gen i9 yeah in many cases i hear the bottleneck
At this stage I think I'll stick with 13900k, possibly 14900ks
The irony is that in recent years I have been thinking more and more about switching to AMD
The long support of AMD with their sockets should not be underestimated, each new motherboard costs a lot of money, which for AM5 is an offer to change only the processor
You need to do a video on premiere pro using h.264 codecs. It's one of the few areas which Intel's CPU is significantly better than AMD's.
He has done tons of codec benchmarks
All of the GPUs can also handle h.264 for timeline, encode, and decode.
I believe, and I may be wrong, that this also applies to the iGPU in Ryzen now as well.
@@Revenant_Knight They can all handle it, but Intel's quicksync means it does it faster than any AMD or Nvidia chip. In tests with last gen, with h.264, pugetbench showed intels chip can be anywhere from 3-7x faster than AMD (timeline and exporting). For people that use premiere and that codec, this is very useful information.
@ Of course but that’s with a very specific codec used predominantly by pro shooters at 4:2:2 10bit which is in the realm of $5K body only cameras. For the average consumer, editing video from a phone or consumer grade camera, they won’t see much of any difference. While having the ability in your back pocket is nice, even most professional events don’t venture that far. When we filmed Ted X Talks their contract stipulated quality levels that could be achieved on I7-2600K and GTX 570.
You aren’t wrong. I want to make that clear, but the context has to be there and I suppose I should have specified I was thinking from a consumer level and not a pro level.
@@Revenant_Knight Think you're mistaking it for something else. h.264 (also known is avc) is the most popular video codec used anywhere and everywhere - look it up. Some codecs, like apple prores, don't really favour intel or amd, but h.264 on premiere pro is very popular and common and works better with Intel - important information people should be aware of.
Great vid! Thank you. But the colour profiles on the two different cameras being so off I reckon you could perhaps fix ahahah.
What about if you were planning to build your 1st PC and your not coming from any previous Generation Intel or AMD?
asking the real question!! my take is this, intel latest is kind of green/rough and will probably be updated on drivers and so on, also, it will work way better if you can find CUDIMMs ram which for now is almost non existant... so if you adopt the platform now you will probably have to refresh install your system with bios and firmware updates (and prob RAM) in some months from now... AMD is kind of stablished and working fine, even if the latest 9000s series has also lots of problems and compatibility issues (and in Windows theres lots of problems, you need to correctly set them up etc...)
Also what are your plans with the PC?
@@daveinstlouis7296 Sorry just seen this, the PC is mainly going to be used to run multiple Virtual machines, some video and photo editing and occasional game. But mainly a productivity.
what about voltage stability and socket deformation?
ah, the 14900k would be decent. id recommend the 129 - 137 - 147 with an aio, disable hyper-threading, new bios, push clocks a little. UE5 will work.
the mini cybertruck caught my entire attention
Can you find the full video?
Looks like you were constantly changing the t-shifts during the video 😀
Still on 10700k , its truggling with my 4080
Intel UHD 730 has 1 codec engine
Intel UHD 750 has 2 codec engine
Intel UHD 770 has 2 codec engine
Intel Ultra 9 288V has 1 codec engine
Intel Ultra 245/265/285 has...????
i have a 9800X3D still sealed right infront of me right now
Same bro. 😎
And?
@@Johan-rm6ec i opened the box and had a look inside, then i put it back in the box because i dont have a board yet.
will it run 4 sticks of Ram at 6400 without crashing?
man I really want an X3D CPU but I also want Intel Quick Sync... come on Intel do something good!
I wanted one, but I went with the 9800X3D either though you really can't use 8000MT/s RAM like you can with Intel. I guess I just have to live with 6400MT/s RAM for now.
I need to build a new rig mostly for CAD/CAM applications really struggling with my decision to go with the 14900k and risk having issues or move over to AMD with something like 9900x. Most of these software recommend intel but Im worried since the 14900k has so many bad reviews and issues!
I've been running AMD for years now ever since rysen 3 came out. They are amazing chips. I use a lot of productivity apps for programming and also game and they are just plain beasts. I pulled out a 5900X and swapped it with a 5800X3D in a couple of my machines and while I did get uplifts that 5900X was more than enough. There's really no need to upgrade beyond AM4 at this point unless you're chasing having the fastest thing eve or are building a new machine. Either way they have been eating Intel's lunch.
I still have an Intel chip in my laptop but I don't use it very often.
Cad cam isn't demanding enough. Get an older cpu and save money
@@Z-add thank you, think i will do a 12900k or a ryzen 7700 and save some money!
M4 Mac mini and most likely M4 Mac Studio. You can upgrade the SSD. a removable module.
is it a standard SSD or an Apple "special"?
Sorta.. Will take time for the special NVMEs for it to come out. It's not normal nvmes. It's more a hack to change the nand flash
@@andyastrandUnoffical hack special. Apple have nothing to do with it.
Should I go with an ultra 7 265k or i9 14900k if I am coming from a i7 4790k?
I would go with 265k. 14900k just takes too mutch power. I think the 265k has at least 10% optimisation power in the back.
depend on your budged nobody who is clear in his mind will recomend you the 13/14th gen Intel CPU's and why ? Just look up the 100% failure rate on the 13/14th gen Intel CPU's. So here we are with the Ultra series, are you sure you want to waste your money when there is a better product around called Ryzen 7000 and 9000 seires ?
265k so this mean you want to play video games, so why dont buy the fastest or secound fastest Gaming CPU on this planet who consume 50 or 70% less power then the Ultra series and perform 30 - 60% better ?
for real i had the i7 4790k too back then and belive me or not, Ryzen changed my mind about intel.
@@allxtend4005 yeah the instability issues were what was leaning me towards the 265k. I’ve been unsure about the Ryzens due to the lower cores for performance, but the 9950x is keeping me curious on how it’s high up in a lot of benchmarks, and has low wattage. Would that be a good purchase paired with a Proart x860E? I am looking for something that gives good performance for gaming but especially productivity
Wait for another month or so. INTEL is fixing the problems and there should be a good performance boost. I think that point 285K is the go. That said wait till Battlemage that is also rumoured to launch in about months time. All INTEL system on paper looks like 5080 performance but $1000 cheaper give and take. The new Arrow Lake has lot of headroom to overclock. We are already seeing 35% gains with bad Win11 support and BIOS's. I predict a big jump with INTEL fix. Also there are big differences on MB performance. Avoid ASUS. It seems to fry the CPU and has bad performance. Personally it is MSI for me.
I am probably one of the few that preorderd the 285k in my country , I'm not interested in gaming performance but I'm a video editor and motion graphics person and I've been using my laptop for years until it recently died on me. There isn't much choice for me realistically amd doesn't have quicksync and I'm not that keen on 14th gen so only option was 285k, I love the extra io on the z890 motherboards, thunderbolt 5 and I've seen that in Premiere it's the best performing cpu for the most part, I'm sure there will be issues as with all new platforms but I'm really super excited, arrives next week and I'll be checking out your build guides for sure. It's been a while since a built a system.. Using standard ram for now until large capacity CUDIMM's are available
Nice choice & agree with your choice, for mostly work loads, the new intel 200 series are better as benchmark showed some tied & but some others surpassed the AMD 9000 series. But for gaming, current gen AMD are better.
@arthur_pd yeah totally for gaming Intel doesn't have an answer to 3d cache but for productivity the 285k is pretty decent, particularly in Premiere it mostly beats out everything
I like building Intel pc's for me and AMD pc's for my loved ones. That's how I see the risk/gains equilibrium of using Intel this days.
I'm on 12th gen currently both i3 and N100 was picked for power at idle as my machine stay near idle 90% of the time but I need power to be there now so I am looking a 7945HX(Zen 4 16c/32t basically a 7950x in extreme low power profile) hybrid ITX boards or the 7950X with cheap B650i AX ITX board regardless, and case I plan is very tiny. I love mini builds. Had high end gaming build that heat the house in winter but after a couple of OC record you realise you don't need 150w+ for 90% of the time so bigger intel chips have always been to hungry and these are a little lame unless you push a lot of power into them and then they are not so eco friendly. Shame Lunar lake has such a low end GPU. I like the idea of faster on die (G)DDR ram. My dream is a micro PC which has a good igpu. That why I holding on till strix Halo Max lands as 12c/24t and 40 CU igpu, hopefully a 16/32 and 40+ cu chip will come than tower PC's are a thing of the passed for most people that are not gamer's. DB790i from minusforum is tempting me but currently pricey, but they keep popping up in Amazon and allieexpress, Minusforum seem to have the belief British people should pay more and Dollar and GBP is the same exchange rate. This is why I hate Brexit as I used to buy so much cheaper hardware out of EU and sell it marked up and still be cheaper than US companies. Nvidia and AMD stock was well cheap. I got a new FX 8150 on release week for only £140 from Germany UK price £200-250 at the time. I'm a linux user so AMD or Intel FTW.
I'm about to build a workstation for photo and video editing, but not sure what to get. Budget is around 6000€ but I'm completely lost with the new CPU's. Any advice?
Same Boat. And I'm coming from ~ Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700K CPU @ 4.20GHz 4.20 GHz
same same... 3 months ago best cpu was hands down the 7950X after the INTEL fiasco with the 14000s degrading, then came the AMD 9000s to a dissapointing lunch... now INTEL dropped the ball, so its either getting a 9950 (thats THE best productivity CPU right now) or waiting for INTEL to put out something decent on the market
@@HellPedre on the video he recommends to go to the intel 14th gen but I'm sceptical about buying that gen after all the official issues. It's a tough decision since we're talking about a big investment
@@trizy7078 no fkng way is by any metric a good recommendation, its like saying "hey but now its cheap and *apparently* it wont degrade! but you will never really know!" also makes no sense to recommend a literal dead socket, which is also missing PCI lanes critically so any non core ultra cpu is an absolute NO go to build a modern WS... for your WS btw all benchmarks show AMD better in photoshop, as its almost on par in resolve (premiere favors Intel quite more) so if you are building a WS for that Id say going AMD is the smartest choice right now, also 6k is overkill, you can totally do a 9950x with 128gb RAM and a 4070ti super or a 4080 super for 4k, but being that the 5xxx series is around the corner I wouldnt spent 2k on a 4090 and save it for the next series
@@HellPedre Thanks for your detailed answer. As I said, I only need the pc for work purposes. It won't be used for gaming at all so I'm not worried about fps or gaming performance (just saying that cause some creators build a pc for both purposes work and gaming).
9950X seems like a solid choice right now. Do you reckon the X3D version might outperform the non X3D? I know the X3D are built for gaming, but not sure if I could see any advantage specially for video editing.
Waiting for Intel doesn't seem to be an option right now with the Arrow lake CPU's already released. It will take them a few months to come up with something new.
Hopefully we'll see a performance test on this channel with the Ryzen 9xxx series.
what abt i7 12700 non k with asus tuf z690 plus wifi d4 32gb ram ,rtx 4070 ti super gigabyte eagle oc ??
I agree. wait for Panther Lake?
Pantherlake is a mobile chip? You mean Novalake.
you’re gonna give intel credit for 14th gen!!!?!? bro are you crazy! nooooo! 14th was almost a straight rehash of 13th gen and you gonna sit there and say it counts as an extra generation compared to Ryzen??!?!
Tech Notice : you forgot to mention Shintels cheating technique using the 24-pin connector to deliver 80-90 Watts of PWR to the CPU....trying to portray them as more efficient. You also forgot to mention the Core Ultra 9 285 being around 25 % - 30 % slower than the i9 14900K, while the i9 14900K is already around 30 % slower on average than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D.
As someone who had an AMD bulldozer 8120 and seeing it getting bulldozed by intel in single and even some multi threads, i can see Intel's going through the same phase.
Its time for AMD to amass 50% of market share from the current 30% in desktops.
Have switch from 14400 to 8700f, never going back to intel
I do not agree when you have a 12th gen to go for a 14 gen 14900K. I would always go for the 285K! The 285K consumes way less power and if you know what to do and disable DLVR in the bios you can save easy 70/80 watts in all core load R23 and so on. Intel is bringing a bios update and MS is working on new scedulers as well. Soon the 285K will be a lot better then the 14900K and use like half the power in gaming and other load.
Turning of Core Isolation will give an instant boost of 10% average over multiple games. Bios updates and Windows updates will help again and new CUDIMM that is almost here will give 10% more FPS in gaming and easy surpasing 14900K when bios, MS and ram is fixed. So go for the Core Ultra 9 285K if you want to upgrade. DOn't buy 14th gen. I have a 14700KF undervolted and Vcore limited. It is way better then stock. But i would go for the new Intel. 4 more pci-e lanes is huge. Like AMD already has.
Or you could just go get an AMD chip which is far more efficient and far more powerful.
@@Ace-Brigade "far" wow, thats a STRETCH ... a BIG one... also, no benchmark shows that, literally, 285 is top of the line for productivity and can totally game on par with the AMD chips for anything above 1080p, the problem it has is that its not regular across the board with games and the platform needs some maturity, anything other the new CPUs are totally on par with AMD in terms of efficiency and processing power
THIS, so much THIS. I really cant understand how can this guy KEEPS recommending the literally most inefficient degrading dead socket PCI limited CPU known to man, if the core ultra series wont exist to be honest the only option NOW for both gaming and productivity would be AMD
@@HellPedreDude youre comparing an i9 part to an R7 part...
The only merit the 285k has, is that it is here right now. It is the right cpu for you, if you: can't wait 2 months, want to do more productivity, but somehow still want mediocre but not great gaming performance, want to buy cudimm right now, have at least 360mm AIO cooling , don't mind spending a lot on a dead end motherboard platform, and mostly: shill Intel more.
If you want gaming then 9800x3d is a clear winner. If you want productivity like photoshop, then 9950x wins. If you want specific workloads where Intel excels then have fun with cinebench and 7zip compression (only) test. And here's the kicker: intel only wins in those 2 specific areas because of the memory bandwidth. Cudimm support that intel already has, will be expanded to amd 9000 series. Also, x3d chips don't benefit as much from faster memory.
So in gaming, 9800x3d is already set, you don't need a new board, new ram thats barely available, and it can be air cooled well.
In productivity 9950x is the overall winner, but you should really wait for x3d version.
And gaming & productivity combined, the 9950x3d will be a champion
The cope here is unparalelled and well deserved
@@balazsrako9528 hahaha well first I never compared it to any specific AMD CPU, second np I don't mind gaming, 3rd I saw more benchmarks than you and the 285 is better in resolve offline rendering unreal and coding compilation. at the end of the day you can shill to AMD for what anyone cares, I'd love not to have to wait until the new platform matures, more ram is available there's better bios settings and so on, but literally no ones recommends 9xxxs series except for the 9800x3d which is an OK productivity CPU and and ofc no one disputes it's gaming crown which was not the original point I was replying to
Intel posted something about bringing out an update for their CPUs for gaming performance
The C in CUDIMM stands for Clocked. And these Ultra chips gain massive performance when paired with them.
Research not done on authors part. There is no memory controller on CUDIMMs..
Yeah but why buy expensive CUDIMM RAM with Intel when AMD beats it even with the cheapest RAM kits?
Looking at the benchmarks, "massive" only maybe in Machine learning. Otherwise minor gains. AMD's 3D cache is much cheaper alternative.48GB for $600, no thanks...
@@Nayah9 Not true, in gaming sure the 9800x3d beats it but productivity task ARL shits all over AMD, And I just bought a kit of Cudimm for just $20 more then what I paid for the same none Cudimm 32gb kit.
CUDIMM just has a clock buffer and has no memory controller on board.
Great content!!! TY
10,000 mega transfers is 5ghz ram speed will be a long time 10+ years before 10ghz ram speeds are seen and will be with on die ram not ddr.
Fine, fine. Since I'm still on ancient 11th gen(and not even an i9) I'll do you a favour and raise one of those as my own if you send me one.
Too late, i got a core ultra 7. I was using a 9900k before i got it though.
Guys i need help i need a CPU for 1440p Gaming with 4090 + 1080p60 Streaming on Twitch at the same time but i don't what to pick i9-14900k or 7950x3d what should i pick?
if you gaming only, you can do that with 7800x3d just fine. Pick 9800x3d if you can but it's alwaYS out of stock rn
U think a 9800x3d is enough for Streaming and Gaming at the same time?
@@TTV_DA11Kingbtw yes, it should handle it very well. Unless you are not rushing to build one, I would recommend to wait for 9950x3d to come out and get that instead. But for streaming and gaming only. 9800x3d is doing just fine.
Thx man you a real G
7950X3D, you basically get the best of both gaming and productivity. Or just wait for the 9950X3D which will come in just a couple months.
what abt NPU s and integrated Grafix
All cpu and gpu updated benchmark comparison video please...
Why are you comparing number of generations? 14th gen is just rehashed 13th gen, and at the end of the day the number of "new" generations doesn't matter it's the performance metrics, and in that regard Intel is getting stomped.
wait you recomend the 13/14th gen Intel CPU's that has a very high Failure rate ? why just dont say "if you're a fanboy buy the Ultra Core" and "if you dont be braindead then just buy Ryzen 7000/9000 series because way more efficient, cheaper, deliver more performance" who care about 8000 mhz ram if it do not impact in any performance uplifts ?
He's an Intel fanboy. At least that's the way it feels.
They have a bios fix, and 5 years of warranty. I'm already on the Intel so it make sense for me. Failure rate comes from overvolting the CPU, and am5 isn't worth upgrading due to high prices for little gains.
@@oneanother1 It doesn't come from overvolting and switching between the two processors is as easy as buying a new motherboard. Something I know you Intell fan boys do all the time.
@@Ace-Brigade where does it come from then? I mean if you really want to go zen5%, no one is stopping you. Yet to see anything to upgrade to from raptor lake. Remember when zen4 had too much voltage and completely destroyed the CPU? Amd fanboys are balls to the wall, but their GPUs totally suck.
I don't care what people say. If you use your PC for productivity and game only story mode games, that will play well with 60-165hz, you are good to go. Nothing beats this CPU when it comes to productivity as it is now WITH A LOW TDP. I'm sure most of us here, are work first, game later. This CPU is perfect for that. Don't upgrade yet. Let them work out the kinks and jump in 3-8 months from now. It's a good CPU IMO.
you can get a 32gb ddr5 kit an upgrade later to a CUDIMM 32gb kit when they drop in price and get a great jump in performance. it would be nice if CUDIMM came out at a reasonable price but doubt that will happen
9950x3d entering the chat
Absolutely agree these internet recommendeds are always for unlimited fps or power for whatever program...yappers
You're talking like 9950x is bad for productivity... Also, there a thing called 9950X3d coming, and you have plenty of years of upgrades if you use AM5. So... what's the reason to buy Arrow Lake right now?
@@massimocrulli4988The 9950x3D will probably be $100-$150 more expensive than the 285k, and I’d argue the 265k is a better value than both at $400.
😢all support in tel utra 200s why you think down fall
First of all: Calling the 14th gen a new gen is really, really, really stretching it. It is not more than a better binned 13th Gen. This is also the reason, why both had the same issues. Second: If you are a professional who needs lot and lot of cores that pack a punch, you would never go with the Desktop-Variants of Intel that have little cores and big cores. Although i think benchmarks like cinebench are not a good benchmark, but whatever. It is good enough to compare Numbers. But Videoediting/Rendering is more a GPU-Thing in my opinion. Multi-Core-CPU's are perfect for Virtual-machines. And why should someone bother with efficiency-cores for usecases like this. And if i just go for cores as a professional, i would definitly choose threadripper over this. And Efficiency by the way: Which efficiency? There are a ton of CPU's out there, that are more efficient then Intels Offerings. So, in none of those areas does the Ultra-series score? The new Processor-offerings without patches from Intel are absolutly worthless. They should get their sh.. together soon, or they will run out of Business without new fundings.
I just built my first PC and went with the Core Ultra 245K paired with a MSI Pro Z890-A and 32GB Kingston Fury CL30...
Oh I'm so sorry for you.
Well reason number 1 is the only one that applys to me but i do also like to be different so im getting a 265k come at me!
200 watt cpu? No thanks i will go with ryzen none-x cpu with 80 watts
I’m coming from an i9 9900k lol
Same! 9900KS due to a crazy Xmas sale that was only $20 more than regular 9900K. I had to wait 3 weeks for the backlog of orders. I put it on 420mm Frozer water cooler, never looked back since! It can probably do 5.4Mhz but I'm a dummy when it comes to setting the 12 pages of bios setting voltages. CHEERS!
I am hesitating
5:51 24 amd yes but 4 is use for chipset.
If you're on Intel 11th gen, 12th gen, whatever, and look for efficiency, performance or bang for buck then your best option will be AMD. The only things where this Intel series makes sense are core heavy workloads like code compilation. For gaming, AMD X3D CPUs offer better performance, efficiency and bang for buck. The new 7600X3D is a good budget option, 9800X3D is on the other hand the performance king. While the new Intel CPUs are more efficient than their earlier ones, they are still power hungry.
Even then you better be compiling massive applications. I code on mine and have never had a single issue compiling fairly large applications. I'm not building Chrome but plenty of other large applications.
The only time that really matters is if you are compiling operating systems or browsers in a production environment many many times over in a day.
Intel ultra is a monster have VMware installed beats my i9 13900k makes think intel some how did not have gaming in mind make me think somewhere there’s a limitation to the graphics through the pci express. Probably will be fix on the next gen. Anyway I am enjoying it with my work as a imaging a modifying virtual machines for companies. Not sure that because of the removal of the hyperthreading. It’s a win is you don’t think about fps numbers
I see it as tailor made for Battlemage. PCIe 5.0 direct access to CPU with 8 pin power. No Hyper-Threading Technology but very good E Cores. CUDIMM. I think INTEL has all INTEL system in mind and on paper it looks 5080 performance and $1000 cheaper. APO also has a great potential to boost the performance.
FPS numbers from INTEL ARC architecture you need double from AMD/Nvidia architecture. I run A770/i7-13700k for 4k. Great entry level for 4k that runs almost all at mid/high settings with RT. XeSS XMX supported games just great. Anything over 40FPS is a good experience. AMD/Nvidia you need double because half the frames are broken and out of sync. It is the difference between single and double silicon architecture where INTEL splits the tasks between CPU/GPU via REBAR. AMD/Nvidia all tasks are for the GPU and CPU is only there to feed it so Wattage goes up.
Intel is learning from there mistakes after 14 gen Cpus ! The path that AMD had already taken , But let's be honest, the problems of the previous generation were exaggerated
They will definitely come back strong, I just hope they can survive this tough phase , im sure they will suprising us in panther lake
8:08 "marginable"
Worry not, I cant afford them so problem resolved. Yay.
Lets see how this cpu pairs with the new power hungry 50 series graphics cards. We might see a boom in use after the first electric bill 😂
PSU shivering under the case 😂
those newly shippd 14900k are still dying
The last stable intel cpu wss the 12900k, 4 generations later things went downhill with the 14900k, arrow lake doesn't offers much, for just one pc maybe ok, but for STUDIO Professional production the Threadrippers reamain king, and anything that doesn't needs a Threadripper the 9950x is a real beast, after repeated intel failures is impossible to expect any further improvement anytime soon, the only thi g keeping intel afloat for now is that AMD can't keep with the demand and the 7000s and 9000s are constantly sold out, gamers are tram red and many of us (producers) became team red recently because the instability of the 14000s series, with less revenue Intel will start getting behind, and this attempt to overprice the arrow lake series is a desperate way to survive, but is impossible a cheap product perform better than a higher quality one, they cut production cost but arrow lake is as expensive as a ryzen 9, we don't have enough info about durability of this new chips, but my experience tells me everytime companies cut production cost hurts quality
I got i9 9900K on Windows PC and now getting Mac Mini M4 and have no plan to upgrade CPU or remain user of spyware Windows OS.