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Little advice for you : Idk why your video is auto translate in other languages. Terrible robotic voice, tone rythmes and even translation by itself (it make no sense) . With this quality of translation you won’t get new foreigner viewers… it is just so bad, you will just lost your English speakers foreign viewers.
Anything I'd want to use a Mac for would require more than 16GB of RAM and 256GB of storage. And with Apple products, as soon as you start adding more RAM and storage, it's going to cost you about 10x as much as it would on any other platform. Apple has the best silicon, but for some reason they insist on having the worst everything else.
@@WorldFamousUnfluencerIf you are into LLM's, heavy Blender or any 3D software user, gaming (what's available), and heavy video editing (4k/8k), I'll assume these are what requires the pro chips, more ram and storage.
@@Tonicshades If you're into LLMs, the only decent GPU that runs anything is a $2000 4090. The highest specced ram mac mini is $2200, THE WHOLE COMPUTER. It has almost 3x the VRAM of the 4090. So it's still a massive value proposition. You only lose money upgrading storage.
@@leoym1803 That is true, but in this case it depends what you're looking for, if you're into heavy gaming than PC is the way to go, also some programs for AI are exclusive to Windows. But everything else is preference.
I love Apple computers since Macintosh SE days, and think the M4 Mini has an amazing value proposition. BUT, it won't kill PC, people use Windows for the more open ecosystem, rather than the curated Apple one.
Nope, not for me. Not having a computer with 256GB storage in near-2025, and not paying 250 eur to double that size. Their CPUs are amazing but their pricing scheme is as ridiculous as ever.
I am looking to get the Mini 4 Pro as I am currently using a high end PC. I tried the Mini Pro 2 a while back (top spec), but it couldn't keep up with my high resolution 360 photo editing. Could you let me know what your thoughts are compared to the spec I have now? Would really appreciate your feedback. Here is my current PC spec for comparison. Rog Strix X570 Gaming Wi-Fi II Motherboard AMD Ryzen 9 5950X CPU 128GB 3600 DDR4 RAM Msi Geforce RTX 4070ti Suprim 12GB GPU 1TB Samsung EVO 970 SSD
@@katsrk3039 4060 ti with 16gb of ram is actually a very good card for 3D. M4 Pro has 24gb which is shared between the system and the graphics card, it is not enough for complex rendering.
I dont give a fuck how good any apple product is, anyone charging 400 bucks for 16gb of memory should get boycotted and celebrated when the greedy ass company dies, not thrives.
16gb of ram comes with the mac now. however, if you want extra ram, you'll still have to pay up; which i believe the apple tax is fair for the convenience their ecosystem provides. way better than gulag's and microshaft's. :P
@@OnioNode I own both a MacBook Air (16GB) and a PC with 64GB of memory, all 64GB of which needed to run local LLMs cost me less than 8GB would on a Mac. And having experience with the "Apple ecosystem" - No, it is not fair
There is also the problem of Apple going from 9,5% market share a year ago to just 7.7% last month in the computer market. That is so small it will continue to be a niche and never get real gaming focus and continue to be a great video editor, great for hipsters and old people 🤷♂
If you're considering a storage upgrade for any iMac, you're better off getting an external Thunderbolt drive with your preferred size and NVMe from Amazon. It costs a fraction of Apple's upgrade, and you can easily use it with multiple devices.
Yeah, i dont understand why people go crazy about it. Just get an external drive. The RAM is a different story, but for most people who'll use this thing, 16gb is plenty, especially at the base price point.
this Mac mini can last 20 years easily and they are super fast my video editor he still have a macbook pro i7 16gb ram 2012 and it still runs blazing fast
@@gabakusa even if wanted to use this computer for 20 years, Apple only supports their hardware for 5 years. Even if the hardware could run the software, Apple doesn't allow you to upgrade to the latest OS and you will no longer be able to run the latest software. The reality is, most people will only keep this hardware for a few years before upgrading to the "next best thing" and Apple prefers it that way. Also, the Intel Macbooks are some of the worse computers and a 2012 Macbook Pro can only run up to macOS 10.15 Catalina.
@@jaczar3304 While the hard drive is technically upgradable, most people will never even attempt it. Also, who decided that a mini pc won't need more than 16GB of ram? That's great if it works for you but one of my mini PC's has an i9 with 32GB and is being used as a Linux server. People have very different needs.
I have multiple Apple devices including a Macbook Pro, however, IMO the $600 base Mac Mini 4 does not deserve the hype. It only has 256GB of storage which is what you would find in a 2005 computer. You can easily buy a MiniPC from multiple manufacturers with a comparable Ryzen 9 8945HS CPU, 1TB of storage and 32GB of memory for $650. Many MiniPC's support Occulink, have a display port, a 2.5GB LAN, plus a few USB 3.2 ports.
Exactly right. I use a Minisforum UM790 Pro mini-PC, it's two years old already. It has the same small 5x5 inch form factor, but packed with 64GB DDR4 RAM and two 4TB internal Nvme SSDs. The BIOS even supports Raid 0 as an option. The AMD 7945HS APU runs everything I throw at it effortlessly and it sips power. It's got two USB4 (40Gbps) ports, four USB 3.2 ports. 2.5G ethernet port. Two HDMI ports. Headphone/Mic jack out. ON/Off switch in the front. And the kicker is that it is many times cheaper than a Mac mini with 64GB Ram. AND you can run whatever you want on it, whether it's any version of Linux or Windows or whatever, except MacOS, but that's a bonus ;-)
@@supersoundset Just commented this exact thing. Waited 1 year for this rumored mac mini. Went with the UM890 pro instead. Got it with 96GB ram and 4TB HD, just pimped out machine (no need for external drive) and it cost me $1050 in my country. Thing RIPS. My last computer couldn't handle heavy 4k footage, esp. wrapped in a .mp4 codec. But this handles it NO issue. Will the Mac Mini render my Adobe timeline faster. Sure, but honestly rendering content in 2 minutes instead of 4 minutes is not a deal breaker for me. The Ryzen 9 chip FLIES. Oh and the UM890 pro is VERY well built AND literally makes ZERO noise (never heard a single fan sound yet). Again, the apple might be a more powerful computer, but it's like saying this Lambo is faster than your Porsche, but the Lambo costs 600k and the Porsche costs 150k and let's be honest, both cars would FLY. We're spoiled in tech now and we need to band together to F Apple up their greedy corporate bum cause their upgrade options are literaly immoral highway robbery.
Why throw a Ryzen 7 and a 9th gen i9 in the cinebench comparison instead of the current models, but then use the highest power draw models from AMD and intel to compare power consumption? This looks like you tried to make the apple product look as good as possible without actually testing it against relevant competitors. The base model is not worth it because it lacks performance, and the upgraded models are not worth it because the upgrades are so expensive.
@@supersoundset well usually base model and upgrade model has same speed in single core perf (because it same cpu apple just add more core that it) if we remove gaming part and focus on working only that it pretty fast cheap price and power effiencet since 20W is even less than a power that you use to charge your phone like if you want to work on video editing huh just spend 600 usd with monitor and mouse boom you can get work done effortless with pc you need at least ryzen 5 or core ultra5 with decent gpu to do that on 4k footage and it take 20times power(400W and beyond) and it will be cost expensive that mac but when come to upgrade it cheaper ofcouse but atlest you can game on it so as people who not playing game it killer and ecosystem also bonus but usually who can afford mac and also gamer they just get 1 mac and 1 pc lol
@@georgwarhead2801 what? are you talking about the storage? since most pros edit on external ssd it can absolutely be used.if you are talking about power then you have a crazy amount of power in the base version, perfect for 90 per cent of pros i would say.
@@troywalt4834 most"pros" dont use 16gb of SHARED ram. even a 60 sec. long RAW footage video would eat up that ram like nothing...this mini is absolutly not perfect for 90% of "pros". its perfect to do small tasks if you already have the apple eco system, but for everything else you need to upgrade the mini as mach as you can and at that point it isnt even compeating anymore against aternatives from the X86 platform wich would run cyrcles around that thing
What they do with storage is like a scam, money grab. That's sad. So powerful and so limited. This is even worse on laptops. Usb accessories are really annoying on mobile. If they disconnect we can lose all our work. Carbon free... we cannot reutilize our expensive SSDs in newer models haha. I got the M1 MBP with 1TB. That SSD will probably last for 10+ years. But if I want a new model to enjoy faster processors I cannot reuse it... must purchase all expensive storage again. Where is the carbon free?! They just create e-waste. All the working hours needed to purchase again their SSDs on every new machine... this is not fair. I really would like to see what Steve Jobs would think about it. It is the best computer ever created. And at the same time the worst.
Do we need the EU to force Apple to just use standard M2 SSD? 🤣🤣🤣 I can understand the soldered/in-package memory but there´s NO reason for using proprietary SSDs other than pure greed!
A little dock or hat exactly the same size and radius curves same colour and finish that could sit on or under the mini and stack up then connect at the back via a perfectly sized tb cable and worked as a port expander for a couple usb-a, fast sdcard reader and had an m.2 slot inside for an nvme would be amazing
Thoughts for using it on photo editing like Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. I'm not a laptop person but this could be a good option for minimalist or someone who doesn't have a large space at home.
Do you think that it will be better than an "old" AMD Threadripper 39**X series ? During this vid in Cinebench, I can see that it's beating Threadripper which is insane..!
I like it and I'm tempted, but decently powered mini PCs with Ryzen 7840 plus chips have been out for a couple of years now. I have non-mini PC devices with these chips too, Minisforum V3 and GPD Win mini. The newer HX370 devices might be comparable in performance?
You're absolutely right about Apple’s upgrade pricing-this has been the norm for them for ages. I've been a Windows user for over 30 years, taking advantage of all the free software options out there. I was actually considering getting a Mac, and this could have been the push I needed. But instead of waiting for the new M4 Mini iMacs, which I knew were on the way, I opted for a Beelink with an AMD 8845HS processor, 32 GB RAM, and 1 TB storage for just CDN $800 on Amazon. It's easily upgradable to 64 GB and includes everything the iMac offers. A comparison between the Beelink with AMD 8845HS and the new iMacs would be really interesting. It even looks similar, with an aluminum chassis and a well-placed power button, unlike Apple's choice to put it underneath. I bought a metal stand that works well with the Beelink on its side, which would actually make the power button easier to reach on an Apple as well.
The BeeLink doesn't offer MacOS operation. Comparing this to Windows PCs misses the point here. No 'windows PC (Sorry Hackintoshers) can duplicate the MacOS functionality of an M-Series Mac. Whether that matters, is up to the user. There IS one way that this clickbait caption is right though.. it signals the end of the Hackintosh.
@@fmlazarWhat unique functionality MacOS offers that competitors can't match? Is it wide software support, including games, or maybe it is open source software with open code or is it rather walled garden of overpriced apps that you need to match the convinience of Windows or Linux?
@@unruler Right now Mac OS has the killer apps in video and audio production. Final Cut Pro and Logic. There are plenty of good alternatives, but those are the tools of those at the top of those respective fields. Mac OS does not restrict you to Apple's store. You can still download apps from other sites and of course you can compile amy command line program that you could on a normal FreeBSD system. For casual and home users there are the lifestyle conveniences that others can't touch, especially for those invested in other pieces of the Apple ecosystem. Linux is only "convenient" to gearheads still. It is not close to the user friendliness of Windows, much less MacOS.
You can easily run a Linux ARM VM at near native speed using Apple's built-in hypervisor framework. Virtual Buddy can have you up and running in minutes.
Regarding 10Gbps ethernet, if you're considering a thunderbolt adapter, make sure you don't get one with the Aquantia AQC107, as there are some hardware bugs with certain aspects of Airplay, like if you want to use your mac as a network speaker (i.e., accept airplay from another machine on the same network, and play audio over the macbook speakers). The AQC107 will bug out and the Airplay session will fail. Instead, get an Aquantia AQC113. And thank me later.
You can also operate the fans at full speeds to show us the worst case. I was always wondering if my MBP M3 Pro fans were working, so i tried a program that lets you control the fans. You can do this as well
1:16 Why only 10Gbps USB-C ports? The actual standard is 20 Gbps plus USB 4.0 (compatible to TB 3)! So many producers offer 5 Gbps only, which is ridiculous.😮
You must have just watches Toy Story and your a fan of Woody. Great edit; music, cuts and manner. A real hoot! But on a serious note, hmmm. I will be definately comparing these as I was just about to jump back into the Apple ecosystem.
I have a deep interest in Intel/AMD/Nvidia, but credit where credit is due, when it comes down to hardware and software, Apple M SoCs are brilliant. If you aren't invested into gaming, these pretty much are very much compelling to get (You can game on an M3 Max quite comfortably but pricing isn't reasonable at all). Video editing is a clear winner, music production has been solid (IO is more the bottleneck anyways), 3D graphics/rendering are starting to take off with Blender and engineering/architecture/industrial programs, AI with MLX is growing fast in development with unmatched bandwidth and RAM capacity - the only downside is pricing especially with RAM (makes sense if you NEED it) and storage (robbery.), but when it's quite literally an *all-in-one* pc that can do everything well at insane power efficiency, you just gotta respect that. Can't wait for more content from these machines! And for people who think I'm a 'fanboy' I do believe the 9700X would've been better for optics (if they had it). Pulls ~95W and scores ~1200 mt. And used their 245K results, ~1500 points at 135W. That said, I have seen base Mac Mini M4 scores ~980 so I don't know if there are performance modes.
If you're in, not for the base Mac mini M4, but for a boosted Mac mini M4 Pro 48GB with 10-Gigabit ethernet for professional purpose, I'd urge you to wait for the upcoming Max Studio M4 Max, because such boosted Mac mini M4 Pro is actually only $100 less than the current Mac Studio M2 Max… and the M4 Max is vastly superior to the M4 Pro (which is already really, really good) especially in GPU compute!
I bought a Beelink S12 pro for $149. I threw linux mint on it and for what i do, it runs great! N100 with 16 gigs of ram and a 512 ssd. 25% of the new mac mini. Certainly not a direct comparison but for a year now its met my needs
@ShowsOn Nope your wrong. The M4 is indeed much faster but if I am doing the same tasks with both, then they definitely compare. My Kia isn't nearly as powerful as my neighbors Mercedes but if we're both using our cars to go to work and run around town we're doing the same thing with each but in a race, he wins.
I bought the base model. it's much faster than my noicy R7 mini PC. About the same size, but it has the PSU built in! No huge powerbrick under my desk collecting dust anymore.🎉
1 Gigabit ethernet port is an anachronism in 2024. 2.5 GbE is standard now on contemporary devices, not only top end kit. Good luck with 16GB ram if you are developing and running multiple containers.
The biggest problem I have with Macs is that there is still software that comes only for Windows and sometimes Windows or Unix. There's plenty of software that will not run natively on a Mac. Of course I could run it under a virtual Windows environment, but then there would be a huge hit in performance. One of the key applications I use, is not available for Windows, and it is the application that is extremely dependent on CPU speed. The lack of being able to upgrade RAM is also an issue. Even in a mini PC, I want at least 64GB of RAM. Secondly, is the user interface. My customers all use PCs only, without a single Mac in their offices, and thus need to use the Windows user interface when at their offices. In combination with my need to use a PC for the software that's not available on a Mac, means I need to use the Windows user interface a good portion of the time. Because of that, my productivity would go down if I had to switch frequently between the two user interfaces. Now, I do have a Mac Mini, but I probably use it on average once every 3+ months. If all my software ran on a Mac, and all my customers used Macs, I'd have no problem considering to switch to a Mac as my main machine, provided it's cost effective, powerful enough, etc. But as it is, I will not consider it. I kind of wish that it would happen, because I much prefer the iPhone user interface for my phone, but transferring files to/from it via Windows is an extreme pain, if at all possible. That's my primary use for the Mac Mini, being transferring files and other tasks related to my iPhone are seamless.
one of my biggest grumbles is that apple expects a 2.5 or 5k display for the screen scaling to work perfectly, but the mac mini's don't come with monitors and most people tend to purchase 4K monitors (as 5K ones remain stupidly expensive). unfortunately, even when using BetterDisplay, the text is not pin sharp due to apple's lack of fractional scaling in the OS. this is something they really need to consider setting to rights given how popular the new M4 Mac Mini is likely to become. (I only moved over to MacOS when the M1 came out as I could not stand Windows 11).
Had wondered if they fixed that nonsense, but seems not. That's a deal breaker if I could stomach the SSD size. Pity, fancy a change and used to have a Mac back in the day.
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 I had one of the previous Asus displays with the single usb-c input which was prone to failing as mine did. loads of videos on youtube about the problem. there is one 5k monitor that is relatively budget made by a company called Kuycon, but I am not buying one unless I know what they are really like in real use.
@@dislexicpotato It's really down to PPI - ideally 110-130 (or double ~220 ish). So 1440p at 34 or 38 inch is actually really nice. I have a 38 inch ultrawide and it looks perfect. This is the reason Apple monitors in recent years have been 4K for 21 inch, 5k for 27inch, 6k for 32inch.
I remember when I purchased the M1 and paid for 16 GB and 512 GB. THAT SAME OPTION IS CHEAPER THAN M1 was back I. The day! I’m very pleased with the new Mini.
I’d get the base M4 Mini Pro model and use my existing external storage. If I could only upgrade one thing, it would be the RAM. But it depends on your needs. I work mostly with PDFs, Apple Notes and various videoconferencing software and store most documents in the cloud. The extra storage would be for space to install Parallels and Windows for the few occasions I need to do something in that world.
Here is an idea, a video comparing total cost for a setup for a given amount of RAM since that is the most expensive thing with macs. For example 64gb ram, 128gb ram and 192gb ram. The asrock deskmeet x600 for example allows for 192gb and is smaller than a regular desktop but bigger than a mini pc. But gpu options are very much limited. Then some mini pcs have oculink which allow for greater external gpus, but you are limited to 96gb ram. For most people though I think 64gb is good enough.
It looks like a nice bit of kit and well built, but it's a ludicrous proposition to suggest it will kill the mini pc market. My last mini pc was a GMKTex NucBox with an Intel N100 cpu (6W TDP). Under heavy load it drew about 11W in total. Cost me the equivalent of $100 USD. I bought a 16GB DDR4 SODIMM and a 256GB NVMe ssd for an extra $40 or so (it was in Pounds, so I'm estimating the dollar cost). OS was Ubuntu and I use this for a media PC for my TV. So about $150 USD, sips power and is a great little PC. Would I like a Mac Mini M4? Sure, but it's a hell of a lot more and the other downside, MacOS, just no ..... I think it will sell well and is definitely a nice bit of hardware. If you already are embbeded into the Apple eco system, makes a lot of sense. Good luck if you ever want to upgrade the ram / storage though and lol at the markup to go to 512GB and 24GB, what is it $400 extra? Holy crap!
You can get a barebones 13th gen for around 500$ (Or Ryzen) and get 32 GB ddr5-5600 sodimm and a 1 or 2TB m.2 SSD for like 700-800$ built. It would be faster than the apple too.
You’re looking at the pricing backwards! think of it like this - the base model is priced to attract and they ‘hope’ you buy upgrades so they can make lots of profit. So a base model M4 is a bargain, an upgraded one is the price they really want.
Seems like paying money for optimizations under the table is working great again. If it was not for the "preferential" treatment of Apple that chip is no where near those numbers...
I never bought mac mini becouse only 8gb ram but now I was thinking but only problem the switch on-off button. I didn't know how I would be able to turn it on. I thought of cutting a hole in the bottom of the table. But luckily for your solution I can turn it on and even its ventilation will be better so that will be upside down on the table. (I subscribed:)
The device is excellent, and I'm tempted to purchase one myself. However, once you opt for the 512GB version, you could get a Minis Forum with 32GB and 1TB of upgradable RAM and storage. While Macs offer a highly efficient platform, the openness of the X86 architecture remains more significant. Also M4 pro score 20% slower than my 12 7900x3d in cinebench . The 7700x is 8cores and on a much older node 5nm vs 3nm all those comparaison are pointless.
The M4 mini is the most beautiful device I will never ever buy. Tried the M1, but the workflow I intended didn't work as supposed. Gaming on the M1: no thanks. so switched to some X86 based mini's. The M1 now serves as some fancy over specified media streaming device in the living room
I highly doubt it's the death of Windows mini PCs because upgrade ability is a major thing for a lot of people and the ability to run Linux on the bare metal is a major for some people. With Apple you can upgrade it yourself and it can't run whatever operating system you want you are stuck with macOS. And yeah performance-wise for the money the Mac mini is a damn good proposition. Especially with the ryzen 9 370 HX coming out in many PCs putting the price like $1,200
The M4 mac Mini is on my list for the new year. It will be used to replace several Windows 10 machines. Replacing five machines with this one M4 Mac mini will still be more powerful than all the windows machines combined. The Windows 11 upgrade requirements eliminate all my desktops from qualification. I am also lobbying at work to replace over four hundred machines with Apple hardware for both the desktop and a new Mac book Air with M4 that is due out next year. We will run custom software on an emulator, and it should perform better than it currently does on the T61 laptops and HP desktops that are over 15 years old. the M4 desktops will be about $CDN600 each which is better than the $1,500 for desktops we were quoted by a vendor (With a 15% discount for volume).
The M4 Pro Mac Mini should not cost $4,000 because of Moore's law which states that every 18 months it costs a manufacturer half as much to manufacture the same chip. The price of PC flash drives has followed Moore's law for the last 3 years and so Apple has no excuse for not halving the price of their computers every 18 months.
That was one of the most hilarious statements made in the video. All modern computers should really cost hundreds of millions of dollars each, because if we consider some of the first supercomputers and adjust for inflation. The performance we're seeing is better. :D
Perhaps the base model is a loss leader priced to attract entry level buyers but not profitable at $599 and the speedy upgrades help bring that profit back. Apple after all is the most profitable company on planet earth.
There are so many really good AMD and Intel mini PCs right now… Apple really doesn’t compete in price or size. Also, performance on the AMD mini computers can be really really great.
can you please name a few? I am in the market for one, i dont want to spend more than 600$, and i loathe apple. As i understand it, AMD is better than Intel these days for mini pcs?
@@JoshAmes1980 just watch ETA prime, he covers that type of thing. Anyways, if you think modern AMD chips aren’t good… that’s a pretty wild opinion to take. Apple cores are fast, but AMD still wins at multicore and Nvidia still wins at graphics. Apple tends to win in laptops due to power efficiency. AMD/Nvidia also still win at gaming over Apple by a huge margin. In other words, your mockery shows you don’t know what you are talking about.
That depends on where - in the EU that’s no longer a requirement as long as you inform where on the internet the manual can be found. But lets also be real here - it’s not skipping the paper manual in an electric devices or using cardboard straws for your cola that will save humanity.
Amazing, Apple did 16Gb of memory in the basic model but had to ruin it all with the size of the SSD, which would be fine if one could just replace it with commodity drives. But no, and 'nickel and dime' hardly covers upgrading anything from the basic model. Almost convinced myself to buy a Mac-Mini.
I was curious if it’s better to grab M4 but upgrade to 32GB RAM/1TB which is less than the base M4 Pro 24GB RAM/512GB. From what reviewers who ran benchmarks is that the base m4 chip is much faster/powerful than m3 pro chip. If that’s the case then seems like it could suffice for many people.
Apple Intelligence will not work if you boot from an external drive, along with many other features, must people don't know this. Not sure if these are slow ssds in the base model Also once your internal SSD dies, your machine cannot boot from external drives meaning it's a brick in all macs no matter how much you pay, with Mac pro. Being the lone exception. Of course there are ways around this, if you have access to the right apple software tools, hardware and software hacks, etc And Apple may fix this in the future with a firmware update if software similar to a bias update on you know what, who knows. right now it's at least something people should know and consider
@@MrFluke039 we still do bot know this officially as the Mac studio has had these for years, so far apple has done nothing. I suspect the EU will like with USBC make upgradeable storage mandatory above a certain price level on desktop computers, as you cannot use the this and light excuse, even Microsoft allows it in its laptops Also new memory tech is here that is just as fast and energy efficient if not better than in chip memory, and extremely thin and small. I expect Intel to use them next summer and and to follow later with Qualcomm, this will be a huge selling point for windows machine In the meantime RUclips channels like dosdude2 and others have special software hardware to do this if you can source dinms and even a daughter board that may be able to adapt retail pcie ssds in the future. Buy with base 16 or 32 fast low power dinms. And then 2 to 5 years later for ai and better multitasking more memory for GPU ai CPU, while base macs will always be stock at 9 16 24:32 gb effectively starving their fast chip slowing down to use the SSD as swap memory.
@@Tigerex966 a lot of people swap nand chip on youtube so it confirm on speed part but you can’t buy it anyway they will sell it to you only when current one is broke as a repair cost
The fact that you cannot replace memory or the SSD in Macs is a reason the mini PC will live on. Also, every mini PC I've owned I can easily upgrade the memory and SSD. Plus Apple is pathetic in the baseline mac Mini offerings-> 599.99 gets a whopping 256GB storage! 256GB by todays standards is small, it should start out with a 512GB. 400.00 to upgrade to 1TB is crazy. I can get 4TB for less than 400.00.
But there are benchmarks videos showing the performance is insane compared to mini pcs that even cost 1k. I loathe apple, but i dont mind using an external SSD and 16gb ram is enough for me. If i can run windows on it, i think i'd be fine.
wait... did you see the idle power draw. Its freaking 0,05W. Crazy. The 7700X pulls 21W at idle. Its 420x more energy. Maybe I will buy a Mac Mini. I've had hope for Qualcomm but they ARM Processors got banned in EU. AMD got a little bit close to the M4 but pulling 56W instead 22W and Mini PCs starts at 1000€.
They finally moved to the form factor all the other mini-PCs have been for a while, and people are acting like it's truly magic. :D The price for the base model is great, but I need more memory and 256gb of storage is laughable. I'm not buying a mini-PC to hang a load of USB-C storage devices out of it. x86 mini-PCs still live!
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Little advice for you : Idk why your video is auto translate in other languages. Terrible robotic voice, tone rythmes and even translation by itself (it make no sense) . With this quality of translation you won’t get new foreigner viewers… it is just so bad, you will just lost your English speakers foreign viewers.
Anything I'd want to use a Mac for would require more than 16GB of RAM and 256GB of storage. And with Apple products, as soon as you start adding more RAM and storage, it's going to cost you about 10x as much as it would on any other platform. Apple has the best silicon, but for some reason they insist on having the worst everything else.
Well said!
@@WorldFamousUnfluencerIf you are into LLM's, heavy Blender or any 3D software user, gaming (what's available), and heavy video editing (4k/8k), I'll assume these are what requires the pro chips, more ram and storage.
@@Tonicshades If you're into LLMs, the only decent GPU that runs anything is a $2000 4090. The highest specced ram mac mini is $2200, THE WHOLE COMPUTER.
It has almost 3x the VRAM of the 4090.
So it's still a massive value proposition. You only lose money upgrading storage.
@@leoym1803 That is true, but in this case it depends what you're looking for, if you're into heavy gaming than PC is the way to go, also some programs for AI are exclusive to Windows. But everything else is preference.
@@leoym1803and storage is fucking critical lol. Only the biggest apple simps would swallow apple’s garbage storage schemes lol
Great video. Please make a video on the keyboard & Mouse you are using. How is the general connectivity? any connection drop?
I love Apple computers since Macintosh SE days, and think the M4 Mini has an amazing value proposition. BUT, it won't kill PC, people use Windows for the more open ecosystem, rather than the curated Apple one.
The mac does not have curated apps. You can download and run any programme.
@@charlievarley did you fall off of a small bus somewhere down the road?
@@charlievarleyMany, if not most but not any. Even with something like Parallels running.
@@DeepThought9999 i did mean apps that are built for macos. But yes there are good work arounds for some if not most pc and linux apps.
We are talking MINI PC and from what I'm reading it will put a serious dent in that market
Nope, not for me. Not having a computer with 256GB storage in near-2025, and not paying 250 eur to double that size. Their CPUs are amazing but their pricing scheme is as ridiculous as ever.
it's a desktop pc. external drives are a thing. you're not locked in
its a dirty thing they considering after all silicon apps you have nothing left is ssd
256GB of storage is barely a toy.
@@leoym1803 You have a brain of mush. ITS OVER PRICED YOU NITWIT!
@@SixOThree You can buy 4TB external storage for 300 EUR.
I am looking to get the Mini 4 Pro as I am currently using a high end PC. I tried the Mini Pro 2 a while back (top spec), but it couldn't keep up with my high resolution 360 photo editing.
Could you let me know what your thoughts are compared to the spec I have now? Would really appreciate your feedback.
Here is my current PC spec for comparison.
Rog Strix X570 Gaming Wi-Fi II Motherboard
AMD Ryzen 9 5950X CPU
128GB 3600 DDR4 RAM
Msi Geforce RTX 4070ti Suprim 12GB GPU
1TB Samsung EVO 970 SSD
Can you tell us that is m4 pro more powerful than i9 14900k and 4070 super combo for ae/pr/blender
4070 Super is way better than the M4 Pro GPU
@@eprpop even rtx 4060 is enough
@@katsrk3039 4060 ti with 16gb of ram is actually a very good card for 3D. M4 Pro has 24gb which is shared between the system and the graphics card, it is not enough for complex rendering.
I dont give a fuck how good any apple product is, anyone charging 400 bucks for 16gb of memory should get boycotted and celebrated when the greedy ass company dies, not thrives.
16gb of ram comes with the mac now. however, if you want extra ram, you'll still have to pay up; which i believe the apple tax is fair for the convenience their ecosystem provides. way better than gulag's and microshaft's. :P
@@OnioNode I own both a MacBook Air (16GB) and a PC with 64GB of memory, all 64GB of which needed to run local LLMs cost me less than 8GB would on a Mac.
And having experience with the "Apple ecosystem" - No, it is not fair
@@OnioNode "way better". No, I can go to the store and buy 32GB of memory for $100. F' the Apple Tax.
There is also the problem of Apple going from 9,5% market share a year ago to just 7.7% last month in the computer market. That is so small it will continue to be a niche and never get real gaming focus and continue to be a great video editor, great for hipsters and old people 🤷♂
I will boycott Ferrari because they charge $2000 for a rear view camera while VW only charges $500.
i hope you can find a way to unify 2 or multiple mac minis as one ultimate mini
What do you think about mac mini m4 vs minisforum UM790 Pro Ryzen 9 7940HS. I see they are the same price.
If you're considering a storage upgrade for any iMac, you're better off getting an external Thunderbolt drive with your preferred size and NVMe from Amazon. It costs a fraction of Apple's upgrade, and you can easily use it with multiple devices.
Yeah, i dont understand why people go crazy about it. Just get an external drive. The RAM is a different story, but for most people who'll use this thing, 16gb is plenty, especially at the base price point.
Does any one know if theres a way to daisy chain two base mac minis to share workload in real time?
There is no PC killer when there is no upgrade-ability.
this Mac mini can last 20 years easily
and they are super fast
my video editor he still have a macbook pro i7 16gb ram 2012 and it still runs blazing fast
the hd can be upgraded and a mini pc wont need more than 16gb of ram
Try upgrading a true sffpc, specially for the same amount of money.
@@gabakusa even if wanted to use this computer for 20 years, Apple only supports their hardware for 5 years. Even if the hardware could run the software, Apple doesn't allow you to upgrade to the latest OS and you will no longer be able to run the latest software. The reality is, most people will only keep this hardware for a few years before upgrading to the "next best thing" and Apple prefers it that way. Also, the Intel Macbooks are some of the worse computers and a 2012 Macbook Pro can only run up to macOS 10.15 Catalina.
@@jaczar3304 While the hard drive is technically upgradable, most people will never even attempt it. Also, who decided that a mini pc won't need more than 16GB of ram? That's great if it works for you but one of my mini PC's has an i9 with 32GB and is being used as a Linux server. People have very different needs.
Would you recommend a M4pro (unbinned) 48gb 1tb or a M2max (unbinned) 64gb 1tb for DavinciResolveStudio timeline performance?
m4 Pro with 48Gb! Stay tuned for the benchmark video!
thank you! Can’t wait to see your video! we would love to see a real time timeline performance comparison
Can you power the mini with a usb-c instead of the ac cord? 🤔
No you cant unfortunately. It can only be powered with the supplied cable outlet.
I have multiple Apple devices including a Macbook Pro, however, IMO the $600 base Mac Mini 4 does not deserve the hype. It only has 256GB of storage which is what you would find in a 2005 computer. You can easily buy a MiniPC from multiple manufacturers with a comparable Ryzen 9 8945HS CPU, 1TB of storage and 32GB of memory for $650. Many MiniPC's support Occulink, have a display port, a 2.5GB LAN, plus a few USB 3.2 ports.
Exactly right. I use a Minisforum UM790 Pro mini-PC, it's two years old already. It has the same small 5x5 inch form factor, but packed with 64GB DDR4 RAM and two 4TB internal Nvme SSDs. The BIOS even supports Raid 0 as an option. The AMD 7945HS APU runs everything I throw at it effortlessly and it sips power. It's got two USB4 (40Gbps) ports, four USB 3.2 ports. 2.5G ethernet port. Two HDMI ports. Headphone/Mic jack out. ON/Off switch in the front. And the kicker is that it is many times cheaper than a Mac mini with 64GB Ram. AND you can run whatever you want on it, whether it's any version of Linux or Windows or whatever, except MacOS, but that's a bonus ;-)
And if you're willing to get a better bones mini pc from AliExpress and their in your own ram and storage you can save a couple hundred bucks
@@supersoundset Just commented this exact thing. Waited 1 year for this rumored mac mini. Went with the UM890 pro instead. Got it with 96GB ram and 4TB HD, just pimped out machine (no need for external drive) and it cost me $1050 in my country. Thing RIPS. My last computer couldn't handle heavy 4k footage, esp. wrapped in a .mp4 codec. But this handles it NO issue. Will the Mac Mini render my Adobe timeline faster. Sure, but honestly rendering content in 2 minutes instead of 4 minutes is not a deal breaker for me. The Ryzen 9 chip FLIES. Oh and the UM890 pro is VERY well built AND literally makes ZERO noise (never heard a single fan sound yet). Again, the apple might be a more powerful computer, but it's like saying this Lambo is faster than your Porsche, but the Lambo costs 600k and the Porsche costs 150k and let's be honest, both cars would FLY. We're spoiled in tech now and we need to band together to F Apple up their greedy corporate bum cause their upgrade options are literaly immoral highway robbery.
@mlhm5 and usb c and do 6500mb/s and sometimes are even smaller and can be modified.
@@DarthLordRaven Occulink is pcie. You have no point.
Why throw a Ryzen 7 and a 9th gen i9 in the cinebench comparison instead of the current models, but then use the highest power draw models from AMD and intel to compare power consumption? This looks like you tried to make the apple product look as good as possible without actually testing it against relevant competitors. The base model is not worth it because it lacks performance, and the upgraded models are not worth it because the upgrades are so expensive.
True dat!
@@supersoundset well usually base model and upgrade model has same speed in single core perf (because it same cpu apple just add more core that it)
if we remove gaming part and focus on working only that it pretty fast cheap price and power effiencet since 20W is even less than a power that you use to charge your phone
like if you want to work on video editing huh just spend 600 usd with monitor and mouse boom you can get work done effortless
with pc you need at least ryzen 5 or core ultra5 with decent gpu to do that on 4k footage and it take 20times power(400W and beyond) and it will be cost expensive that mac but when come to upgrade it cheaper ofcouse but atlest you can game on it so as people who not playing game it killer and ecosystem also bonus
but usually who can afford mac and also gamer they just get 1 mac and 1 pc lol
@@MrFluke039 but you are not going to edit video on a base model mac mini
@@georgwarhead2801 what? are you talking about the storage? since most pros edit on external ssd it can absolutely be used.if you are talking about power then you have a crazy amount of power in the base version, perfect for 90 per cent of pros i would say.
@@troywalt4834 most"pros" dont use 16gb of SHARED ram. even a 60 sec. long RAW footage video would eat up that ram like nothing...this mini is absolutly not perfect for 90% of "pros". its perfect to do small tasks if you already have the apple eco system, but for everything else you need to upgrade the mini as mach as you can and at that point it isnt even compeating anymore against aternatives from the X86 platform wich would run cyrcles around that thing
will they make the bigger M4 too? because my pc is faster atm.. but getting one of these with a Thunderbolt NAS could be a good setup
What they do with storage is like a scam, money grab. That's sad. So powerful and so limited. This is even worse on laptops. Usb accessories are really annoying on mobile. If they disconnect we can lose all our work.
Carbon free... we cannot reutilize our expensive SSDs in newer models haha.
I got the M1 MBP with 1TB. That SSD will probably last for 10+ years. But if I want a new model to enjoy faster processors I cannot reuse it... must purchase all expensive storage again.
Where is the carbon free?!
They just create e-waste. All the working hours needed to purchase again their SSDs on every new machine... this is not fair.
I really would like to see what Steve Jobs would think about it. It is the best computer ever created. And at the same time the worst.
Do we need the EU to force Apple to just use standard M2 SSD? 🤣🤣🤣
I can understand the soldered/in-package memory but there´s NO reason for using proprietary SSDs other than pure greed!
A little dock or hat exactly the same size and radius curves same colour and finish that could sit on or under the mini and stack up then connect at the back via a perfectly sized tb cable and worked as a port expander for a couple usb-a, fast sdcard reader and had an m.2 slot inside for an nvme would be amazing
Is base mac mini ssd speed twice as slow as upgraded 512gb ssd??? Or read and write speed are the same???
Thoughts for using it on photo editing like Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. I'm not a laptop person but this could be a good option for minimalist or someone who doesn't have a large space at home.
MiniPC has one trick: External GPU!
an be limited to 40gbps Which WILL hamper performance on anything higher than low to mid range gpus.
@ oculink works really well.
😂
Do you think that it will be better than an "old" AMD Threadripper 39**X series ? During this vid in Cinebench, I can see that it's beating Threadripper which is insane..!
I like it and I'm tempted, but decently powered mini PCs with Ryzen 7840 plus chips have been out for a couple of years now. I have non-mini PC devices with these chips too, Minisforum V3 and GPD Win mini. The newer HX370 devices might be comparable in performance?
You're absolutely right about Apple’s upgrade pricing-this has been the norm for them for ages. I've been a Windows user for over 30 years, taking advantage of all the free software options out there. I was actually considering getting a Mac, and this could have been the push I needed. But instead of waiting for the new M4 Mini iMacs, which I knew were on the way, I opted for a Beelink with an AMD 8845HS processor, 32 GB RAM, and 1 TB storage for just CDN $800 on Amazon. It's easily upgradable to 64 GB and includes everything the iMac offers. A comparison between the Beelink with AMD 8845HS and the new iMacs would be really interesting. It even looks similar, with an aluminum chassis and a well-placed power button, unlike Apple's choice to put it underneath. I bought a metal stand that works well with the Beelink on its side, which would actually make the power button easier to reach on an Apple as well.
Mac mini not iMac. That Beelink does not come with a built-in monitor like an iMac so it's comparable to a Mac Mini.
@@riseabove3082 Well all know what he means.
The BeeLink doesn't offer MacOS operation. Comparing this to Windows PCs misses the point here. No 'windows PC (Sorry Hackintoshers) can duplicate the MacOS functionality of an M-Series Mac. Whether that matters, is up to the user. There IS one way that this clickbait caption is right though.. it signals the end of the Hackintosh.
@@fmlazarWhat unique functionality MacOS offers that competitors can't match? Is it wide software support, including games, or maybe it is open source software with open code or is it rather walled garden of overpriced apps that you need to match the convinience of Windows or Linux?
@@unruler Right now Mac OS has the killer apps in video and audio production. Final Cut Pro and Logic. There are plenty of good alternatives, but those are the tools of those at the top of those respective fields.
Mac OS does not restrict you to Apple's store. You can still download apps from other sites and of course you can compile amy command line program that you could on a normal FreeBSD system.
For casual and home users there are the lifestyle conveniences that others can't touch, especially for those invested in other pieces of the Apple ecosystem.
Linux is only "convenient" to gearheads still. It is not close to the user friendliness of Windows, much less MacOS.
Does it run Linux?
No. Asashi linux runs on M1 and M2
You can easily run a Linux ARM VM at near native speed using Apple's built-in hypervisor framework. Virtual Buddy can have you up and running in minutes.
Can you show Redshift rendering against a RTX 4090?
No competition
Can someone plz test that can it run on mobile power bank of 10000mah
Once again, Apple is being rotten to the core!
What's the jacket you're wearing? Has an interesting look.
Regarding 10Gbps ethernet, if you're considering a thunderbolt adapter, make sure you don't get one with the Aquantia AQC107, as there are some hardware bugs with certain aspects of Airplay, like if you want to use your mac as a network speaker (i.e., accept airplay from another machine on the same network, and play audio over the macbook speakers). The AQC107 will bug out and the Airplay session will fail. Instead, get an Aquantia AQC113. And thank me later.
Why it has battery warning icon on the box? It is not macbook or something. lol
Very good point! :)
coin cell battery
You can also operate the fans at full speeds to show us the worst case. I was always wondering if my MBP M3 Pro fans were working, so i tried a program that lets you control the fans. You can do this as well
You can add external Egpus to you Salad rigs. Works really well. Earning $100 a week on 4 mini Pc's with 3090s attached
1:16 Why only 10Gbps USB-C ports? The actual standard is 20 Gbps plus USB 4.0 (compatible to TB 3)! So many producers offer 5 Gbps only, which is ridiculous.😮
M4 Pro Mac mini vs Which PC CPU (intel & amd) ? which will be equivalent or more power than M4 PRO
Hey! Could you compare a windows pc that is similarly priced to the mac mini base and pro.
Thank you your videos are very informative.🌟🌟
I'm buying the lenovo Tiny instead of this, why? one PCIex16 for the GPU, expandable to 64 Gig RAM and TErabyte for the SSD.
You can connect that mouse like that in Windows, in fact I did it just a few weeks ago.
Apple will *never* compete against the combined PC market.
That's you using the Binned model of the M4 Pro too, there is an optional unlocked 14-Core CPU, 20-Core GPU model available too.
Please can you make a video editing test?
Coming out indeed! :)
Have you tried the M4 Pro with 14 CPU Cores and 20 GPU Cores, I heard that's a beast compared to the base model M4 Pro
You must have just watches Toy Story and your a fan of Woody. Great edit; music, cuts and manner. A real hoot! But on a serious note, hmmm. I will be definately comparing these as I was just about to jump back into the Apple ecosystem.
The audio port in front like it has been in every Mac Mini, is headphone only, no mic support.
I don't know what box you live in but you can print on circular paper and not have cut out waste. Been doing this for over 8 years now.
I have a deep interest in Intel/AMD/Nvidia, but credit where credit is due, when it comes down to hardware and software, Apple M SoCs are brilliant. If you aren't invested into gaming, these pretty much are very much compelling to get (You can game on an M3 Max quite comfortably but pricing isn't reasonable at all). Video editing is a clear winner, music production has been solid (IO is more the bottleneck anyways), 3D graphics/rendering are starting to take off with Blender and engineering/architecture/industrial programs, AI with MLX is growing fast in development with unmatched bandwidth and RAM capacity - the only downside is pricing especially with RAM (makes sense if you NEED it) and storage (robbery.), but when it's quite literally an *all-in-one* pc that can do everything well at insane power efficiency, you just gotta respect that. Can't wait for more content from these machines!
And for people who think I'm a 'fanboy' I do believe the 9700X would've been better for optics (if they had it). Pulls ~95W and scores ~1200 mt. And used their 245K results, ~1500 points at 135W. That said, I have seen base Mac Mini M4 scores ~980 so I don't know if there are performance modes.
Ahhh but can you mine bitcoin and make $
@@barryobrien1890 😭😭Naah, you're right, disregard everything I said ☠☠
I was waiting for the Tech Notice video on Mac Mini M4 and Here its is...............❤
We have enough I/O on "PC" to plug in the dongle, which gets better range and lower latency than Bluetooth.
If you're in, not for the base Mac mini M4, but for a boosted Mac mini M4 Pro 48GB with 10-Gigabit ethernet for professional purpose, I'd urge you to wait for the upcoming Max Studio M4 Max, because such boosted Mac mini M4 Pro is actually only $100 less than the current Mac Studio M2 Max… and the M4 Max is vastly superior to the M4 Pro (which is already really, really good) especially in GPU compute!
Please please make video timeline performance and export tests for these! Thank you for your videos!
Yes coming!
I see your post on EVERY SINGLE Mac Mini review. Go buy one yourself and test it yourself. doh
I bought a Beelink S12 pro for $149. I threw linux mint on it and for what i do, it runs great! N100 with 16 gigs of ram and a 512 ssd. 25% of the new mac mini. Certainly not a direct comparison but for a year now its met my needs
The M4 is about 300% faster for single core and 850% faster for multi core tasks than the n100 so this is not comparing like with like.
@ShowsOn Nope your wrong. The M4 is indeed much faster but if I am doing the same tasks with both, then they definitely compare. My Kia isn't nearly as powerful as my neighbors Mercedes but if we're both using our cars to go to work and run around town we're doing the same thing with each but in a race, he wins.
@@petepaxton5109 your N100 is slower than an Intel Mac Mini released 5 years ago
I bought the base model. it's much faster than my noicy R7 mini PC. About the same size, but it has the PSU built in! No huge powerbrick under my desk collecting dust anymore.🎉
Thank you Laurie
1 Gigabit ethernet port is an anachronism in 2024. 2.5 GbE is standard now on contemporary devices, not only top end kit. Good luck with 16GB ram if you are developing and running multiple containers.
Do a thermal test with mini running upside down..
The biggest problem I have with Macs is that there is still software that comes only for Windows and sometimes Windows or Unix. There's plenty of software that will not run natively on a Mac. Of course I could run it under a virtual Windows environment, but then there would be a huge hit in performance. One of the key applications I use, is not available for Windows, and it is the application that is extremely dependent on CPU speed. The lack of being able to upgrade RAM is also an issue. Even in a mini PC, I want at least 64GB of RAM.
Secondly, is the user interface. My customers all use PCs only, without a single Mac in their offices, and thus need to use the Windows user interface when at their offices. In combination with my need to use a PC for the software that's not available on a Mac, means I need to use the Windows user interface a good portion of the time. Because of that, my productivity would go down if I had to switch frequently between the two user interfaces.
Now, I do have a Mac Mini, but I probably use it on average once every 3+ months. If all my software ran on a Mac, and all my customers used Macs, I'd have no problem considering to switch to a Mac as my main machine, provided it's cost effective, powerful enough, etc. But as it is, I will not consider it. I kind of wish that it would happen, because I much prefer the iPhone user interface for my phone, but transferring files to/from it via Windows is an extreme pain, if at all possible. That's my primary use for the Mac Mini, being transferring files and other tasks related to my iPhone are seamless.
one of my biggest grumbles is that apple expects a 2.5 or 5k display for the screen scaling to work perfectly, but the mac mini's don't come with monitors and most people tend to purchase 4K monitors (as 5K ones remain stupidly expensive). unfortunately, even when using BetterDisplay, the text is not pin sharp due to apple's lack of fractional scaling in the OS. this is something they really need to consider setting to rights given how popular the new M4 Mac Mini is likely to become. (I only moved over to MacOS when the M1 came out as I could not stand Windows 11).
Had wondered if they fixed that nonsense, but seems not. That's a deal breaker if I could stomach the SSD size. Pity, fancy a change and used to have a Mac back in the day.
asus made a 5k display for dirt cheap now so there it is
This is a deal breaker for me as someone using two 1440p 144hz monitors, what a shame.
@@bartomiejkomarnicki7506 I had one of the previous Asus displays with the single usb-c input which was prone to failing as mine did. loads of videos on youtube about the problem. there is one 5k monitor that is relatively budget made by a company called Kuycon, but I am not buying one unless I know what they are really like in real use.
@@dislexicpotato It's really down to PPI - ideally 110-130 (or double ~220 ish). So 1440p at 34 or 38 inch is actually really nice. I have a 38 inch ultrawide and it looks perfect.
This is the reason Apple monitors in recent years have been 4K for 21 inch, 5k for 27inch, 6k for 32inch.
I remember when I purchased the M1 and paid for 16 GB and 512 GB. THAT SAME OPTION IS CHEAPER THAN M1 was back I. The day! I’m very pleased with the new Mini.
I’d get the base M4 Mini Pro model and use my existing external storage. If I could only upgrade one thing, it would be the RAM.
But it depends on your needs. I work mostly with PDFs, Apple Notes and various videoconferencing software and store most documents in the cloud. The extra storage would be for space to install Parallels and Windows for the few occasions I need to do something in that world.
Here is an idea, a video comparing total cost for a setup for a given amount of RAM since that is the most expensive thing with macs. For example 64gb ram, 128gb ram and 192gb ram. The asrock deskmeet x600 for example allows for 192gb and is smaller than a regular desktop but bigger than a mini pc. But gpu options are very much limited. Then some mini pcs have oculink which allow for greater external gpus, but you are limited to 96gb ram. For most people though I think 64gb is good enough.
05:40 WOW 111°c it's about to explode?
PC = Personal Computer. How Apple could kill PC when Mac mini is PC as well? xD
It looks like a nice bit of kit and well built, but it's a ludicrous proposition to suggest it will kill the mini pc market. My last mini pc was a GMKTex NucBox with an Intel N100 cpu (6W TDP). Under heavy load it drew about 11W in total. Cost me the equivalent of $100 USD. I bought a 16GB DDR4 SODIMM and a 256GB NVMe ssd for an extra $40 or so (it was in Pounds, so I'm estimating the dollar cost). OS was Ubuntu and I use this for a media PC for my TV. So about $150 USD, sips power and is a great little PC. Would I like a Mac Mini M4? Sure, but it's a hell of a lot more and the other downside, MacOS, just no ..... I think it will sell well and is definitely a nice bit of hardware. If you already are embbeded into the Apple eco system, makes a lot of sense. Good luck if you ever want to upgrade the ram / storage though and lol at the markup to go to 512GB and 24GB, what is it $400 extra? Holy crap!
Can't compare the N100 with the M4 (even regarding power draw). Otherwise, I find your arguments like "just no" against macOS very compelling.
The upgrading cost of RAM and Storage on Mac is very disturbing.
You can get a barebones 13th gen for around 500$ (Or Ryzen) and get 32 GB ddr5-5600 sodimm and a 1 or 2TB m.2 SSD for like 700-800$ built. It would be faster than the apple too.
You’re looking at the pricing backwards! think of it like this - the base model is priced to attract and they ‘hope’ you buy upgrades so they can make lots of profit. So a base model M4 is a bargain, an upgraded one is the price they really want.
Slightly less overpriced =/= bargain.
Seems like paying money for optimizations under the table is working great again. If it was not for the "preferential" treatment of Apple that chip is no where near those numbers...
I never bought mac mini becouse only 8gb ram but now I was thinking but only problem the switch on-off button.
I didn't know how I would be able to turn it on.
I thought of cutting a hole in the bottom of the table.
But luckily for your solution I can turn it on and even its ventilation will be better
so that will be upside down on the table.
(I subscribed:)
It's a mini-PC, just tilt it and press the button. It's a retarded place for a power button, but it's hardly the end of the world.
did you pay the extra $100 for the 10GB ethernet ??
if I cannot decide which os I want to install on it ... its not a PC
The device is excellent, and I'm tempted to purchase one myself. However, once you opt for the 512GB version, you could get a Minis Forum with 32GB and 1TB of upgradable RAM and storage. While Macs offer a highly efficient platform, the openness of the X86 architecture remains more significant. Also M4 pro score 20% slower than my 12 7900x3d in cinebench . The 7700x is 8cores and on a much older node 5nm vs 3nm all those comparaison are pointless.
The M4 mini is the most beautiful device I will never ever buy. Tried the M1, but the workflow I intended didn't work as supposed. Gaming on the M1: no thanks. so switched to some X86 based mini's.
The M1 now serves as some fancy over specified media streaming device in the living room
I highly doubt it's the death of Windows mini PCs because upgrade ability is a major thing for a lot of people and the ability to run Linux on the bare metal is a major for some people. With Apple you can upgrade it yourself and it can't run whatever operating system you want you are stuck with macOS. And yeah performance-wise for the money the Mac mini is a damn good proposition. Especially with the ryzen 9 370 HX coming out in many PCs putting the price like $1,200
12:50 same specs in Europe are costing 2372 Euros which is 2,503 dollars crazy shit
The M4 mac Mini is on my list for the new year. It will be used to replace several Windows 10 machines. Replacing five machines with this one M4 Mac mini will still be more powerful than all the windows machines combined. The Windows 11 upgrade requirements eliminate all my desktops from qualification. I am also lobbying at work to replace over four hundred machines with Apple hardware for both the desktop and a new Mac book Air with M4 that is due out next year. We will run custom software on an emulator, and it should perform better than it currently does on the T61 laptops and HP desktops that are over 15 years old. the M4 desktops will be about $CDN600 each which is better than the $1,500 for desktops we were quoted by a vendor (With a 15% discount for volume).
upsidedown is a prefect idea
The M4 Pro Mac Mini should not cost $4,000 because of Moore's law which states that every 18 months it costs a manufacturer half as much to manufacture the same chip. The price of PC flash drives has followed Moore's law for the last 3 years and so Apple has no excuse for not halving the price of their computers every 18 months.
That was one of the most hilarious statements made in the video. All modern computers should really cost hundreds of millions of dollars each, because if we consider some of the first supercomputers and adjust for inflation. The performance we're seeing is better. :D
Love the shirt hint and then “It’s not Checo” 😂
Someone watched til the end of the video!
Faster in single core than any X86. But any 13th/14th gen i9 or Zen 4 Ryzen 9 and above are faster in multicore
Very nice and funny review😄
Perhaps the base model is a loss leader priced to attract entry level buyers but not profitable at $599 and the speedy upgrades help bring that profit back. Apple after all is the most profitable company on planet earth.
There are so many really good AMD and Intel mini PCs right now… Apple really doesn’t compete in price or size. Also, performance on the AMD mini computers can be really really great.
"Really good" LOL
can you please name a few? I am in the market for one, i dont want to spend more than 600$, and i loathe apple. As i understand it, AMD is better than Intel these days for mini pcs?
@@JoshAmes1980 just watch ETA prime, he covers that type of thing. Anyways, if you think modern AMD chips aren’t good… that’s a pretty wild opinion to take. Apple cores are fast, but AMD still wins at multicore and Nvidia still wins at graphics. Apple tends to win in laptops due to power efficiency. AMD/Nvidia also still win at gaming over Apple by a huge margin. In other words, your mockery shows you don’t know what you are talking about.
3:40 it sad that they can't go that neutral because some law require electric device need to have a manual
That depends on where - in the EU that’s no longer a requirement as long as you inform where on the internet the manual can be found. But lets also be real here - it’s not skipping the paper manual in an electric devices or using cardboard straws for your cola that will save humanity.
If it doesnt run windows its not a PC killer...
By that logic, how do you kill a PC, with a PC?
rumors swear that the defective power supply on-off switch dies after a few kilo-power-cycles.
It does run Windows. Linux too.
@@Derpalerpa pc cannot be killed , the use cases are wide in pc rather Than a single utility mac devices
actually, it is a pc killer.
once you upgrade it to a mediocre level of ram and storage your budget for buying a pc is dead
Thankyou so much ❤
Amazing review!
that power button 😅, am I the only one who turns off their PC every night? I’ve already seen people 3D printing to relocate the button
Since when people need to power off PC with a button? xD
Amazing, Apple did 16Gb of memory in the basic model but had to ruin it all with the size of the SSD, which would be fine if one could just replace it with commodity drives. But no, and 'nickel and dime' hardly covers upgrading anything from the basic model. Almost convinced myself to buy a Mac-Mini.
The base model mac mini is the only computer that makes sense on this lineup.
Based on the price. It's either the base M4 or the M4 Pro. No middle ground.
I was curious if it’s better to grab M4 but upgrade to 32GB RAM/1TB which is less than the base M4 Pro 24GB RAM/512GB.
From what reviewers who ran benchmarks is that the base m4 chip is much faster/powerful than m3 pro chip. If that’s the case then seems like it could suffice for many people.
5:10 "... came a bit early." - That's what *she* said. 😂
Apple Intelligence will not work if you boot from an external drive, along with many other features, must people don't know this.
Not sure if these are slow ssds in the base model
Also once your internal SSD dies, your machine cannot boot from external drives meaning it's a brick in all macs no matter how much you pay, with Mac pro. Being the lone exception.
Of course there are ways around this, if you have access to the right apple software tools, hardware and software hacks, etc
And Apple may fix this in the future with a firmware update if software similar to a bias update on you know what, who knows.
right now it's at least something people should know and consider
it swapable ssd now but you can only buy it when it broke from apple xD and it not slow anymore since they use 2 nand 128gb
@MrFluke039 well we are not sure yet if anyone has success dosdude 2 and others will try
@@MrFluke039 we still do bot know this officially as the Mac studio has had these for years, so far apple has done nothing.
I suspect the EU will like with USBC make upgradeable storage mandatory above a certain price level on desktop computers, as you cannot use the this and light excuse, even Microsoft allows it in its laptops
Also new memory tech is here that is just as fast and energy efficient if not better than in chip memory, and extremely thin and small.
I expect Intel to use them next summer and and to follow later with Qualcomm, this will be a huge selling point for windows machine
In the meantime RUclips channels like dosdude2 and others have special software hardware to do this if you can source dinms and even a daughter board that may be able to adapt retail pcie ssds in the future.
Buy with base 16 or 32 fast low power dinms.
And then 2 to 5 years later for ai and better multitasking more memory for GPU ai CPU, while base macs will always be stock at 9 16 24:32 gb effectively starving their fast chip slowing down to use the SSD as swap memory.
@@Tigerex966 a lot of people swap nand chip on youtube so it confirm on speed part but you can’t buy it anyway they will sell it to you only when current one is broke as a repair cost
"Not Checo". Excellent! Let's go 4x!
Not everyone got it :)
I agree updates prices are messed up but you promote a dock ad that nearly costs the prixy of the mac mini so wtf ?
If you're looking to build a workstation setup with your MBP M4 Max, this dock is worth every penny, unless you'd use something else?
The fact that you cannot replace memory or the SSD in Macs is a reason the mini PC will live on. Also, every mini PC I've owned I can easily upgrade the memory and SSD. Plus Apple is pathetic in the baseline mac Mini offerings-> 599.99 gets a whopping 256GB storage! 256GB by todays standards is small, it should start out with a 512GB. 400.00 to upgrade to 1TB is crazy. I can get 4TB for less than 400.00.
But there are benchmarks videos showing the performance is insane compared to mini pcs that even cost 1k. I loathe apple, but i dont mind using an external SSD and 16gb ram is enough for me. If i can run windows on it, i think i'd be fine.
Love my M4 Mac mini (base model)
IM UPGRADING TO THIS FROM MY 2019 MACBOOK AIR
wait... did you see the idle power draw. Its freaking 0,05W. Crazy. The 7700X pulls 21W at idle. Its 420x more energy.
Maybe I will buy a Mac Mini. I've had hope for Qualcomm but they ARM Processors got banned in EU.
AMD got a little bit close to the M4 but pulling 56W instead 22W and Mini PCs starts at 1000€.
They finally moved to the form factor all the other mini-PCs have been for a while, and people are acting like it's truly magic. :D The price for the base model is great, but I need more memory and 256gb of storage is laughable. I'm not buying a mini-PC to hang a load of USB-C storage devices out of it.
x86 mini-PCs still live!