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It’s entirely possible I took a nap on the table..
I'm going with Yes on this one.
I would like to see a video of that...
@@johneason6540 That would have been a really cool outro clip!! Hint!!
Your promo code doesn’t work for the exact bags you featured?
Ok, without sounding like I have a mustache and a van...you should have a giveaway of some of your favorite things - THAT YOU HAVE USED!! Like, I think your fans would love to get something that you have used and like.... Ok, I'm going to throw on some shades and hide now... 🙃🙃🙃
As a resident of Western Canada I can tell you that down doesn't need to be "wet" for its performance to be hampered, down is only good for maybe 2 months out of the summer and 2 months in the winter here when it's either too hot or cold to be humid. I switched to synthetics and they are way more consistent across all weather conditions.
I hear this a lot ... "why are you wet in the first place? Does synthetic insulation work as well wet as they say? Is it even relevant?" Ok so I'm not saying all synthetics are created equal either but yea it happens, it did to me. Yes it worked better than you'd expect. So yes it's a relevant argument.
Here's the story. It was my first time doing a longer backpacking trip a few years ago. Up to that point I did short one night trips locally in PA. Then my buddy talked me into a 3 day trip in NH on the pemi loop. I had decent gear but nothing special. I had an osprey Atmos backpack that for some reason I assumed was water proof. Up to that point I only hiked in nice weather so I really had no idea. I had no pack liner. It had a forecast of cloudy. Pfft. It rained for 3 days straight. 50 degree days and 30s at night. Rain, sleet, hail, and crazy wind non stop for 3 days. My gear was drenched. Yup horrible rookie mistake. I know better now but still, it happened. So now I go to climb in my tent with me gear saturated and it's 30 something and windy. My sleeping bag was saturated and so we're my spare layers. I done fucked up. I thought I was gonna get hypothermia and die. So I put on every wet later I had, crawled in my sleeping bag, and hoped for the best. All my gear was sythetic. No down gear at all. Well next thing I know I was over heating, sweating actually. I pealed layers off. I was amazed. So yea it works. Or at least my fairly cheap marmot nano 25 did. I now do things smarter and use pack liners and such and I do carry down bags and a down jacket. But if i think there is a chance of crazy weather like that again I'll bring synthetic stuff just in case. It literally did save my life.
I find it funny we as a community say "cotton kills" because it stays wet and makes you cold so don't wear it. Down stays wet and makes you cold when wet but it's the industry standard? Lol food for thought. Yea down is the most compressible and light so I use it too. But is it really that crazy or far fetched to say synthetic insulation is good for the same reason sythetic clothing layers are good? Why do so many consider this taboo? And if you can rock down in the rain safely then I guess you can rock cotton too... Just saying. 🤷
Here in Western Oregon we have a name for down bags: sponge. Roughly 8 months a year is rains or snows, and the snow is generally very wet. Down bags are fine for overnight, but they speak up the moisture over a the days or so. Synthetic bags don't some up the moisture as quickly and they dry much faster--sometimes just through body heat.
Yes, I've spent more than one night in a wet bag, both down and synthetic, it's Type 2 fun at best. But a synthetic it's more reliable and lighter weight than a soggy down bag. Each bag has a purpose, there is no universal truth other than the ratings are sketchy at best.
Also, some synthetic bags are almost as compactable as down.
Dan budget: $200
My budget: $20
i lclicked the links saw the first one at around 150 i though wow high end clicked next link and saw price and though oh
Yeah, I would call a $150 bag top end, and for that price it better be comfort rates for 0°C.
Lol this was me today bought a 160 dollar bag better keep me warm
I backpack in the CO Rockies. I've had high end +/-15 deg down bags 'wet out' (fail) in the 25-35 deg F range numerous times - it doesn't take "completely wet" to fail - and have gotten cold as a result . I have well ventilated tents (hilleberg, triplex). I'm not sure if I'd say synthetic is 'out' in that temp range. I think light down bags can be really bad in that range. For that range or colder, I've found Feathered Friends bags with WP material work much better than Western Mountaineering bags or like with 'less-than WP' outer material. I use a 0 deg FF bag with WP material from 40 deg F down to 5 deg (with a down jacket when it gets super cold). I use a Marmot bag with WP material for colder temps. There's a range there I'd be very cautious going with a light weight down bag. Just my experiences, and don't get me wrong - I like Dan a lot - just have to disagree a little on this one.
ooh Dan thanks for the recommendations. You're the 1st who brought my attention to Western Mountaineering. Just picked up an Alpinlight and Kodiak. They're amazing and a tiny bit roomier for a bigger guy than me. I categorize them as "elvish made" the stitching is flawless. Can't wait to test em out!
$150 for a budget sleeping bag bro I thought budget meant like McDonald’s budget not Red Robin budget 😂
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Just think, $150 is like one night in a hotel, you can sleep many times in a sleeping bag
@@jennad6099 He is braindead.. He can't think
@@jennad6099 absolutely, I usually sleep in my rental cars to safe money on my trips and a 200$ sleeping bag has safe be so much money that I can do more trips. Sacrifices must be made
I’m sayin
I love my REI radiant 20. Pro tip for smaller people: larger kids gear works for cheaper.
I love my rei radiant as well. Especially at under $100 for a down sleeping bag. Ive used mine at 33 degrees with minimal layers and a good sleeping pad very comfortably.
First time I had chance to use my Kelty Cosmic 20 was during the Texas freeze when it was hi 30s low 40s inside my home. I found myself removing layers of clothes all the way down to nearly nothing and having to partially unzip the bag before I was finally comfortable and not burning up. I can confidently say this bag would easily do you well down to at least 30 with the right pad and proper clothing. I liked it so much that I bought the 40 recently.
I'm 6' 165lbs, and I've slept warm and cozy without extra layers in sub 20F in my Kelty Cosmic 20. I used the REI Stratus pad, 2.9 r rating, and wore only long underwear. Mid 30's is obviously super comfortable without even trying, but you can definitely be comfortable with it at 20 degrees and slightly below.
The synthetic is good for me in the summer. I live in the southeast in a swampy area. The humidity really kills the down. I just have a 50 degree quilt. I have an overstuffed 20 for winter
If you are highly allergic against down, it does matter immensely. I can only sleep in synthetic, and as long as my family shares a tent with me, they have to use synthetic, too.
i never knew that
Dang I hope you have your own tent now, knowing your limitations
@@jasontesar7325 If we go motorcycle camping, yes, I insisted on my own little tent. If we do car camping, we use a giant house tent. As weight does not matter there, I use a luxury carp bed with a sleep system from Nash. Very plush, but also very heavy.
@@SandraOrtmann1976 motor cycle camping! That sounds like a blast. Sorry about your allergies I’m sure it’s a bummer. 😌
Thanks for the breakdown. Looking to buy a couple bags this weekend for cooler weather down here in GA so this couldn’t have been better timing wise . Awesome content as usual . It has been so cool watching your sub scriber count climbing steadily over this last year. Keep it up 👍🏼
If you haven't yet bought a bag, check out the Marmot Trestles 20 Eco. It's been discontinued but is all over the place on the clearance market. Weighs about 2 lb., 7 oz., packs down well and you can usually get it for about $125 or lower.
Good video, Dan. I can attest to the WM bag's quality - even has the employee's name who checked the bag attached. I bought the WM Sequoia (rated 5 degree) semi-rectangular bag and used it a couple of weeks ago in the ADK and the comfort was superb. But I'm gonna sell it because my future hikes will not require such a warm bag.
Just reviewed the Patagonia 20 degree bag. I think it is right in line with the WM quality (and price)
Super happy you included the kelty! I can vouch for it!
Me: *Listens to the prices these sleeping bags
Also me: *Remembering sleeping fairly soundly in freezing weather with a smoking jacket and a poncho liner.
Please don't call the woobie by its government name lol.
That’s when you’ve truly mastered being unbothered is when you can fall asleep outdoors in the winter
🥰 so many memories with the woobie
I have that kelty. I used it when it got down to 35°F and I was chilly at times, but I was also only in boxers. My wife got it for me as a gift for $120! It’s great for a weekend hike, and it packs pretty small with a STS compression sack. Highly recommend it!
That being said, your videos have cost me a lot of money in upgrades in the past year. I’m $600 poorer as of right now, and I’m panicking trying to think of an excuse to tell the wife why I replaced her gift with something better. I feel like I’ve cheated on her!! 🤣🤣😬
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The Kelty Cosmic 20 has served me well.
I'd love to see a video like this be comparing quilts!
I was completely and literally soaked in The Great Smokey Mountains in temps down to the fourties’. It rained for 2 days and I slept in a Coleman Qualifoil bag both nights and without a sleeping pad! It’s a terrible comparison but it was a little like sleeping in your own pee. This was my first backpacking trip! I believe that synthetic Coleman sleeping bag saved my life.
I have the kelty 20 and I can’t recommend that bag enough. It has some water repellent coating so if it’s humid it will not bunch up. It’s great for northeast 3 season backpacking. My friend also bought one and he absolutely loves it too. One recommendation I would make is wait till they go on sale and I promise you won’t regret it. I’m not an ultralight guy either so factor that into my opinion.
BUDGET BAG: Marmot Trestles 20 Eco. It's been discontinued but there are plenty floating around there in the clearance market.
They weigh the same as the Kelty Cosmic Down 20, but are generally available for about $125 or less. It is a standard sized mummy. I'm 58" around the shoulders, so it's a little tight for me around that area, but foot area is fine and if you're built fairly normally, you'll be fine.
I've actually started just using it as more of a quilt to some degree, just leaving the top area unzipped. It's worked fine so far.
Hi
I have the kelty two years now. On a therapist foam pad, I used it to 24f with my puffy on.
I have a therapist air mattress now, made a HUGR difference. Down to mid twenties just normal bed clothes. It ways 40oz in a men's long like you had, compresses nicely too. For 200 bucks, I'd recommend it too.
USA Made, 20 Degree, 800 Fill Down, 1lb 9 oz, Heat Seeker by Hang Tight on the Etsy Website. $130.00! Good luck because he is always sold out but get in line and he can even customize it for you.
These are quilts (top and bottom for hammock)
@@natashawilliamson3694 he also makes a model for attaching to an air pad. He calls it the ground dweller model. I just bought one last week but when he is out of stock you have to write him. It's an amazing quilt that is overstuffed. Besides, a top quilt used in a hammock is the samething and all you do is ad 3 or 4 straps to help keep the air pad in place. Not even neccessary since I been doing it with no problem.
@@SailingCorina awesome. Thank you
ohh nice, i do prefer to support small
Based upon the pictures I can see these quilts are not for me yet you have one and it really is good to 20 degrees? What do you base your recommendation upon?
I have not slept in a totally wet sleeping bag. However I have slept in low temperature, high relative humidity situations. Or, to put it another way, situations where the dew point is close to to the temperature. This is actually a fairly frequent occurrence in the Appalachian mountains. What happens is that you take your (totally dry) bag out of your pack and the imperceptible perpetration will condense within the insulation before it gets outside the bag. This can cause the down to collapse which of course degrades its value as insulation until it fully dries out again.
Solutions: wear enough layers to pump out enough heat so that condensation happens outside the bag. OR use a vapor barrier liner. OR use a synthetic overquilt. With this last option you will still have dampness in the overquilt, however APEX (especially) and other synthetics as well are far less susceptible to down collapse.
Thanks for the video Dan. Hope you and your family is doing well.
Western mountaineering company and their gear rocks ! Best zipper set up for a bag on the planet. I also have a North Face Blue kazoo that is a great bag too. It’s all about costs, vs warmth, vs weight. Personally I only chose these brands because they offered short versions in addition to long versions.
I have definitely slept in a completely wet sleeping bag. It was horrible. The rain came gushing down one night and actually formed a NEW river that went right through the middle of my tent, and the water volume was so much it actually went up OVER the bathtub floor. I still carry down, because that experience was rare, but I am mindful of it's shell, and so forth.
Western Mountaineering has an impeccable reputation. If maintained properly, people claim 20 years of unquestionable reliability.
Absolutely. Top quality kit. I've got a Bison and I imagine it will stay in the family for years.
I have had mine since 2013 as does my daughter and they are in perfect condition. Mine is the 20 degree bag ultra lite.
Wet performance is important as there are more options than just completely dry or completely wet. Also rain is not the only thing that can get your sleeping bag wet.
I always recommend carrying down bags in a waterproof compression bag. That has saved my skin many many times.
True. Condensation can completely saturate damned near everything in the Cascade mountains for example.
Thumbs up for high-quality bags! It makes sense. Although, I woudn't spend 600 on this one... Cumulus Panyam 600 is like 1020grams and has similar comfort (-7°C, 20°F) for half the price.
Good stuff Dan! I love my 5 degree Zpacks. So warm!!
The other thing to remember about synthetic insulation: it dries tons faster than down does. So, if your bag does get wet, drying it out can be a factor.
Great point. It's hard to find a great synthetic bag that can compress as well as down though.
And they lose loft at a much faster rate than down bags from repeated compression cycles. Much shorter lifespans on synthetics
I think with synthetic its more about its ability to dry alot easier then down ifnit does get wet. Also I dont think anyone would be comfortable in a soaking wet bag, but a few days in a dense fog and the down can start to lose insulation value. I like synthetic living in NY. We can get pretty humid in the summer with days of sustained heavy rains at times.
I canoe and synthetic bags are the best choice. I capsized on a river trip and my Sierra Designs bag did the job.
Yes. It's a little disingenuous to pretend in a vid like we take the wetness thing literally, as though anyone would sleep in a bag that is soaked through. But it's not unusual for bags to get a little damp during the night, even if it's from the person sleeping in them.
@@cobbler88 actually, in freezing temperatures like below 20F it's human breath which builds the most moisture. Head and chest zones of the bad can take around 100-150 ml of condensated breath moisture during the night. I think author Just has lack of overnight experience in such temperatures. And sure, $600 is far from the most expensive when talking below 0F bags.
Great video and comparison! We are currently looking at sleeping bags for the family out on the trails.
We are too. 😊
I Owen the western mountaineering alpinelite - The last sleeping bag you ever need .
I use it as a quilt when it’s warm outside
and I take it in the winter easily .
Western Mountaineering has baffles that allow you to shift the down from top to bottom depending on temperatures. If it is warmer, you shift the down to the bottom. If it is colder, you can shift down to the top. It also has a baffle that goes along the zipper to keep a draft out.
I got the Kelty cosmic. The purple and white one . It is amazing. So warm and soft . It served me well for 3 years and counting!
I'm about to watch it..please keep all the bags with the same exact temperature range so its not apples to oranges more than it needs to be!! Sleeping bags are a little like hiking shoes maybe? Know what I mean?!! Love ya brother and I'm excited to watch it.. you cheer us up Daniel and thats pretty much golden in these covid 19 days. Dare I say it brother..your cozy!!! In a really manly way.
I slept in a wet synthetic bag in a survival situation. It was wet but warm, like sleeping in a pool of my own pee. I did not enjoy it, but I was warm and got some good sleep in spite of the wetness. Synthetic really does work when wet. Had I had down in that situation, I might not have made it.
Same here, rain flooded the tent, then woke up to 4" of snow. Wasn't a survival situation, but we were caribou hunting a day into in the mountains.
It does
I have the MegaLite, I enjoy the lighter weight since I usually go hiking when it is a bit watmer. Around freezing I use a warm liner as well. I love it.
The Alpinlite by Western Mountaineering is worth every penny. Simply the best. In fact, I just packed it up. Heading out this weekend.
I recently bought one and for me it’s worth every penny. One thing Dan should have mentioned is the continuous baffle construction of the bag. I can easily move the down around to where I need it. If it’s really cold than I move it to the top and opposite when it’s warmer. Also, I believe that WM sources it’s down from one farm and don’t pluck the feathers. They collect the best plums from the nest of nesting geese hence the low yield and high cost. When you take into account all the details I’m actually surprised the bags don’t cost more!
Western mountaineering rocks ! 😉 AND made in the USA 🇺🇸 they also list EN test ratings on their website if you dig deep enough. I call it “my other bear bag” cause when I get in it I just want to stay there and hibernate. 😂 And its Amazing to me how people will spend $450 on an Arctryex jacket but think 600 is too much for a sleeping bag 🤪
@@trailheart1863 I love both arc and WM. Honestly none of my WM pieces have ever given me a problem, but some of my arc has. A wonderful company that only makes quality
I sleep in hammocks so I use a UGQ Bandit quilt but I respect all you sleeping bag people out there
@@happycamper1430 I’m thinking about picking up a UGQ bandit XL, is it worth the 500?
My sleeping bag hoodie and foot-box sometimes come into contact with my tent wall when its raining. The bag will get a bit wet on the outside. It was never so much that i felt anything inside, tho im glad I wasn't in my summer down bag in those nights. Also one time I got surprised by rain and had to go to sleep with damp cloths and the synthetic bag dried them over night with me not freezing.
I know that's more of a behavior issue or a bad tent but if you are new to the outdoor stuff things just don't go as planed and you get wet sometimes.
For budget oriented people there are down sleeping bags on aliexpress for 60-130$. Brand is aegismax. The 10C° small green one, 5C° M2 and 0C° M3 are true to the comfort rating. The down is not the high end treated type but its still goose with good loft. Slept in the small green one rated 10C comfort in 5C with a liner and 2 layer cloths. Was warm. Planing to buy their 0C° one and combine with the 10C° for those rare german nights that are lower than -5C°.
Negatives are long shipping time, 3-6 weeks. The bag smells when new, i read its actually good because its the oil that you smell and its like a natural treatment but I had to air it out 1 weak to make it ok. The smell is very little now. And last the down is good in quality but it is not sourced ethical I assume.
Love my Kelty Cosmic Down. I’ve had that down to 22 degrees F wearing thermals & with a bag liner and was toasty all night with it.
I've beem using a Montbell Down Hugger 900 fill 1-lb 9-oz (690g) $560. Comfort Rating 23°F. Its been a great bag for me with while layering. I was looking to shave weight and create more room in my backpack at the same time as my other 20° Degree 600 fill mummy bag was too bulky and heavy, weighs over 2 pounds... Tell you what thow, that Western Mountaineering Alpenlite bag looks super nice and has great features, that zipper! If it wasn't for my Montbell, I'd buy that one. There made in San Jose Calif., just 20 minutes away from me. 🇺🇸
Loft on top of the user is the definitive measure of warmth. That, and the least amount of extra space inside the bag. Fill power affects the compactability of the bag as do the weights of the inner and outer fabric, size (tooth size, number 3 being the lightest, but most fragile normally used on ultralight bags). Two bags of identical design, with the same loft, but with differing fill power down will be equally warm, but the lower fill power down will make for a heavier bag.
Did you mention never to leave them stuffed during storage? Stuffing compresses the down fibers, and the longer they stay compressed, the less likely they are to expand to their original size when allowed to loft. Hang or lay them out flat between trips.
Down vs. synthetics: synthetic bags will be heavier, bulkier, and won't maintain their loft as long as down with repeated stuffing/unstuffing. Note: I used to sell this stuff at retail, so I'm just trying to help, because I like Dan's style (and first name, too!). 😁
Those are some great tips! Thanks!
I too have the Cosmic 20 and found it very comfortable at 24F, haven't had it lower. Very good Budget bag.
Yup, I've used it in low 20s and it did pretty good. Feet were cold, but the tent was directly on snow, and my pad had an r value of maybe 1. Since getting my xtherm, I haven't been cold at all in this bag. I would definitely recommend pairing the cosmic down with a good pad.
Always bringing the 🔥 videos.
So, down vs synthetic... If you fall into a river and your sleeping bag falls in the water, even if it's "water tight", it's not like water won't slither into the down. Using a down sleeping bag in a WET environment (I don't mean sleeping ON a water stream, more like canyoneering/camping), would be like taking cotton layers to a snow hike.
I'm allergic to down. Yes, it's a real allergy. So even though you don't prefer synthetic, I would appreciate your honest and knowledgeable assessment of synthetic bags.
I have two Western Mountaineering sleeping bags. I have the 20 ultra lite and I love it as does my daughter. We got ours on sale at EMS. Well worth the money. If you want made in the USA you will have to be willing to pay more. We spend most of our time in the White Mt of NH and the weather can be crazy. I don't like being cold and this bag has never failed us warm. Easy to back up too. Cry once.
Overlanding noob here. I own that last bag... the Kelty. Couple things... I was cold in the 40's with this bag the first night I used it. On the second night we layered up with blankets in the roof top tent, which was cumbersome, cause well... the weight of all the blankets (and a 60lbs Shephard mix) was a bit much, even in a three person Tepui. On the third night, my wife and I made concerted efforts to zip up our bags completely, and even try and use the cranium hood. The effectiveness of the sleeping bag was tremendously better. Our body temps, kept in the heat, which helped make sleeping with less extra blankets manageable. Sure, we were still layered inside...but not as much as the first night. Suppose my point is, make sure you use the bag properly... regardless of the temp rating.
I sell Western Mountaineering and all their bags are great. I’ve actually been to their factory, and the amount of thought they put into every detail is amazing, from the amount of down in each baffle to the cinch cord around the face. They also last forever. My coworker has a bag WM bag that his dad bought in the 70s.
One feature you didn’t mention is the continuous baffles, which wrap around from the top of the bag to the bottom. This means you can actually move the down on the bottom to the top if it’s colder, or move it to the bottom when it’s warmer.
Whether or not it’s worth the price is up to you, but you’d be hard pressed to find a higher quality bag at any price.
Love this channel man. Subbed with notifications on.... Good job on these videos guy. Lots of good information you're putting out here. Thank You.
I'm looking for a winter bag for 10 degrees or so comfort....and it has to be a long. I'm 6'4" and 190 lbs....I have the correct pad(s).... Can be down or synthetic....don't care. Would like it to be packable somewhat....not ultralight though.
I had a North Face Aleutian and I really liked it....it just wore out finally though....been using it over 10 years....and it's just time to get a new one. Any suggestions on something in the 100 to 200 dollar price range?
I got the kelty for my daughter at REI garage sale for $60. Such a steal for a great bag
It is possible to adjust the down in the western mountaineering with the hollow tube design.
Bought this bag for my grandson on his AT hike. He began February 14th and he was always comfortable.
I made a Climashield quilt for hiking and dinghy cruising, which I do a lot of each. Rolled the boat one afternoon, and the drybag the quilt was in leaked. After making it to shore, bailing the boat and sorting gear out, I ran the quilt up the mast. It was cool, overcast, humid, with moderate wind. The quilt was only a bit damp after two hours. I slept in it, in fleece that was a bit damp, and I was happily surprised that I did sleep, and well. Yes, the benefit of synthetic is real if there's any chance of gear getting wet. :>)
Great video. And Western Mountaineering bags are a work of art 👍
Another person here from the Pacific Northwest. There are definitely virtues to synthetic not mentioned in this video, but others commented on. But before everyone eliminates down if the weather is damp, some research is beneficial. Most good sleeping bags that are down treat the bag, or even the down. This NEVER makes it waterproof, or even as thermal as a damp synthetic bag, but not all treatments are equal.
There is one down bag I use most of the year that's down, and that's a Mountain Hardwear Bishop Pass Gore-Tex. While not 100% waterproof, it sheds moisture extremely well. The biggest culprit I come across isn't rain getting through a tent, or through my backpack and into my sleeping bag, it's when it's about 30-35 degrees (F), and the humidity is 100% as you hike, then camp and sleep in the clouds. You wake up in the morning and everything is just saturated, damp, or if below freezing off and on, frosty. That moisture just rolls off the Bishop Pass Gore Tex.
One could of course sleep in a bivy. But sleeping in a bivy, inside a tent, means you have more stuff to carry.
It should be known I own four sleeping bags. Two are down, and two are synthetic. The right tool for the right job kind of thinking. I collected these over several years.
I used your code a couple months ago to save a few bucks on the Sea to Summit TKii. Not the lightest but very roomy. I like that the give you a down certificate (my down was certified at 790 fill power). Thanks for saving me some money on a sweet bag!
I bought a winner outfitter sleeping bag in June and i've hiked probably 300 miles with it in the last couple months. It's not super warm i was sleeping out at about 23 degrees and i put my whole sleeping bag inside an SOL mylar bivy and successfully did not freeze to death. Best part? Bag was $35
"Does it really matter if it's wet? You're not going to want to sleep in it anyways." - YES, it matters! If your bag gets wet and you have no choice but to sleep in it for survival, then it makes a big difference. My point being, it's not about WANTING to sleep in it, it's about NEEDING to sleep in it. If I need to choose between down and synthetic in a situation where I have to stay as warm as I can at night, then I choose synthetic. I know the benefits of down in a good situation are better because it's lighter, very warm, and easily packable, but I'll carry the extra 1lb that is going to matter in a hypothermic situation. This video is excellent though! Thank you for taking the time to do this.
My dad has a story where he and his travel bud both got their sleeping bags very wet in Alaska bush. It does happen.
New down seems to be much more reliable, and I prefer down bags.
Point being YES, sleeping bags can get wet and you'd best have good equipment
Regarding wet down vs synthetic sleeping bags: "I suppose in a survival situation, but how often is that going to happen?"
Once too damn many if you don't have the right gear.
Depending on the tent you use, your bag might get wet from condensation during the night, happens to me a bunch of times
@@outdoorandbushcraft39 Exactly. It's not exactly uncommon for a bag to at least get damp. We don't take it literally that a bag actually gets soaked through.
I have 2 of the kelty cosmic 20° bags and I'm happy. It had dry down. The women's specific bag is overstuffed and cut different for a women's body. I have both the men's and the woman's bag.
Hey Dan. I like this video. I haven't got a sleeping bag yet. I think I might get one for Christmas this year.
If you still haven't gotten one, but are in the market for a budget one, the Marmot Trestles 20 Eco was discontinued but there are still a lot of them out there on the clearance market. It weighs about 2 lb., 7 oz., packs up well and can usually be had for $125 or less. It's a standard sized mummy bag, so as long as you're standard sized, it should work well for you. I'm 58" around the shoulders so I just leave the top unzipped and sort of use it as a bag down low, and quilt up high. So far, so good.
When they test the bags for the EN ratings, do they factor in the R-value of a sleeping pad in any way? I realize each person is different but, generally speaking for the average person if you have a 20 degree comfort rating with a sleeping pad that has an R-value of 4 with merino wool socks, bottoms and top base layers would you be comfortable below 20 degrees? Generally speaking of course.
I have the Hyperion 20 and I have to say, it is cold anywhere below 2-3deg Celsius. Always wear thermals because although it’s good at keeping you warm, it’s not that wind-resistant. Hard to say how you can’t have one without the other but you just do 😂.
i have a Cosmic 20, at 20 deg, you are uncomfortable but not cold. it’s an excellent value
Synthetic sleeping bag is good at winter when moisture from sleeper gets in bag and freezes there. You can use thinner down bag as inner bag and synthetic as outer bag. By winter I mean -30C (-22F). After few nights without ability to dry gear it would be miserably in down bag.
I use a WM radiant liner for ultracold trips
I am a slightly warm sleeper, not especially warm, and a male human, but I've certainly slept in the Kelty Cosmic 20 at temperatures below 20ºF at least half a dozen times in the Ruby Mountains, the High Sierra, and the San Rafael Swell.
I wear a 100 weight fleece, wool socks, and underpants. Sometimes silkweight tights. Pretty light stuff for winter backpacking sleeping. And I use a Nemo Switchback closed cell pad with a 2.0 R rating. If I could upgrade one part of the system, it would be a warmer pad, not a warmer bag.
Now I don't recommend the Cosmic 20 below 20ºF; it's really at its comfort limits there. But it's warm enough for good sleeping as rated. I wake up with extensive frost on the bag and my pack and partly or mostly frozen water bottles, so those are cold nights indeed. (Remember to keep a water bottle with you in the bag or store them upside down so that you can get water in the mornings whenever it's below 25ºF.)
So I want to disagree with the idea from the video that it's good only in the mid thirties. I've slept in it many times in the mid thirties and it's nice and toasty up there, but it's plenty practical ten or fifteen degrees colder. Also, you can regularly find it on sale for $130. Try doing that with a Western Mountaineering bag!
Great video! would you say the kelty cosmic down 20 is roomier than the Thermodown 15? Thanks!
Was thinking of getting the WM Megalite with overstuff for PCT. Thoughts? Afraid Alpinlite maybe over kill plus would be super light still. Thx
I got the Kelty bag but I'm pretty sure it has a manufacturing defect. Going to exchange it today for one that was made correctly as I'm fairly certain there's supposed to be a fill in the bag rather than just a zip up nylon sack, it's very light though!
Dan, have you tested any Montbell sleeping bags? Interested in the way it’s stitched for comfort in movement. Thanks
First off I couldn't find you in my subscriptions and found out I had to resub. Bug? Tough question for you. What would the lifetime be for the NF rating? Things deteriorate over time so would a 20degree rated you bought today still be the same next November or would it maybe become like a 25degree sleeping bag?
Thanks Dan! I've got a gear budgeting question for you, as someone with lots of family members that I'm trying to get trail-ready. (And sorry if you've already done a segment addressing this question!) But I noticed some interesting-looking stuff selling in the "used gear" section on eBay -- at all different prices! I'm wondering if you've had experiences buying used stuff on eBay. Are there tips on making sure you don't get ripped off? Thanks again!
Is there anything in particular you're looking to save on? I keep learning, but the biggest lessons I've learned so far is that there are very few things a person really needs to spend much on. As for eBay, I know some businesses use it as a storefront, but I just don't trust the process if I wanted to return something through there.
There are also some groups on FB where people sell their used gear. I'd actually trust that more in many cases, since those folks really don't want to be ostracized from the cult - I mean - group. :D
Take care.
Keep up the great work
Synthetic will also dry faster. For people who are coming rafting with me who aren’t familiar with dry bags I encourage them to bring synthetic. This way if their dry bag leaks and their bag gets wet it will dry faster than a down bag. Also…rafting…space and weight don’t really matter as much. However, I always use my down bag over my synthetic.
Most people don’t know that most dry bags are not submersion proof and this weakness is even greater when you have flowing water added in the mix. Chances are high that you’ll get water in the dry bag when completely submerged in flowing water…. Ask me how I know!!!! Lol (not really as it wasn’t a great night for a wet sleeping bag)
I have a Feathered Friends Raven 10°. I absolutely love it. Like you, I toss and turn at night. This bag is roomy and warm.
The Kelty cosmic down 20 has worked very well for me over the last 3 years.
Was the WM bag 400 dollars more comfortable? Haha.
Have you tried any of Outdoor Vitals sleeping gear? I bought a Aerie 0 underquilt and it is very nice. I used it as a sleeping bag (with a good pad) and stayed very warm on a couple of mid 20 degree nights. I know it is an underquilt but if their regular sleeping bags perform like this underquilt they should be good.
I use a synthetic bag in the pnw where there is a ton of moisture which is why I went synthetic and have always been comfortable. I have not slept in it wet but I would hate to be in the situation where my bag got wet and couldn’t get it dry or it lost it’s function then.
So a situation where warm-when-wet is important might be if one's shelter is damaged in a storm, resulting in the bag getting wet. Or if the bag gets wet during the day from some mishap or another.
A wet bag is going to take a long time to dry out.
I'll toss a shoutout to the Paria Thermodown 0. Keeps my wife, who sleeps incredibly cold, toasty warm and without complaints. Incredibly cheap, packs up small, great loft, warm.
That was a great survey! Thanks.
Would love if you could do a "The BEST big 3 on a budget Canada edition" somehow. The options you show cost a lot more when having to pay shipping as well. Love your videos though and appreciate all the great info for getting into backpacking.
Really great review Dan.
Great video and options! I currently use a MEC mummy bag and it's great. I only wish there was a pillow slot. My head always slides off the pillow or the pillow slides of my mat. Still need to figure that out
Try the Trekology Aluft 2.0 pillow. It has a strap that secures the pillow to your mat, solving this problem. It's super comfy and weighs next to nothing. It's an integral part of my sleeping system.
@@isabelledrolet4297 Second the Trekology 2.0 pillow!
You should talk to your buddies at UGQ and get them to start making sleeping bags.
do you want to discuss a survival situation before, or after, the fact ?..
Feathered friends 30 degree bags are also good mid-range contenders for ~$400
Would love to see a review of the North Face Green Kazoo that Backcountry has. I can't find a single review video.
If you want the warmest bag on earth get the Valandre Thor Neo -40°FSleeping Bag.
If you want the second warmest sleeping bag in the world, get the The Feathered Friends Snow Goose -40°F sleeping bag.
If you want the third warmest sleeping bag in the world, get the Western Mountaineering Bison GWS -40 sleeping bag.
The Thor is comfortable at -33°F
The Feathered Friends is comfortable at -28°F
The Western Mountaineering is comfortable at -23°F
Please note:
The Feather Friends will do the the best without a tent or bivy sack out of the three listed, followed next by the Western Mountaineering, lastly the Valandre Thor Neo.
Hope this might help people sleeping in real cold climates✌!
I bought a bag made by a company called Backside when I lived in Utah. Anyone know if that company is still in business? It’s a great bag but unfortunately getting pretty wore out after many years of use
You need to take a look at the carinthia defence 6 it's a very good sleeping bag
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