I was trying to decide on a new bag last year and couldn't decide what to do. I went with the Kelty Galactic 30 sleeping bag (tall/wide). It's a down filled, rectangle sleeping bag with a drawstring top. Lightweight and roomy. I can use it like a "normal" sleeping bag, I can use the drawstring at the top and make it into a "mummy bag", or I can only zip up around my feet and use it like a "quilt". So far, it's been awesome and I love the versatility.
So basically I've been using a "quilt" for the last 30 yrs when camping. It's called unzipping my sleeping bag and sleeping under it. I still don't buy the gimmick that a quilt is completely different from an unzipped sleeping bag. I can even leave the last bit of my sleeping bag zipped to create a foot box.
It's mainly the weight to cost ratio for me. If I wanted a -6C limit sleeping bag that weighted 800g, I feel like that would be about £400, whereas the corus long has both of those and was £200. If weight and packability or cost isn't an issue then yes, a quilt seems like overkill, especially because you generally can't buy them from cheaper or more generic stores like millets
Well for me I dont have the annoying hood in the way or the zipper and I can hook it under the pad without it in the way and the biggest thing is you can get a quilt without a taper. And thats just my opinion
I think quilts with their pad straps and other contraptions can be quite effective if the temperatures are mild. But when it gets 0F and lower you'd be crazy to not be in a good bag. That's where draft tubes and other fine details make the difference between freezing and staying warm.
Interesting pad straps. Mine are totally different and the quilt never goes under the pad I never get drafts. I do quilt most of the time since I sleep on my side and got tired of feeling suffocated, but in the winter for freezing temps a sleeping bag is pretty cozy!
I love my Thermarest Corus 20 quilt, I use it with a Thermarest Neoair Xtherm sleeping pad. I’m a cold sleeper and I roll around a lot. Now I’m always warm and I’m not tangled up in a sleeping bag, hunting for the zip when nature calls.
I switched to a quilt to save weight and find it to be very comfortable in both warm and cold weather. I am a tosser which does give me some challenges but I work around it. Take Care Dan
Great info for people to think about. I have been thinking about a quilt but will probably stick with bags for a lot of reasons. People ask all the time about the hood of a mummy bag not being in the right place when they move around but that’s easy, don’t try to turn in the bag, just move with the bag. Another thing I have noticed, all the comments about weight savings, it’s just not that great. Sure if you compare a custom quilt to a large manufacture sleeping bag there are savings but, if you actually compare both from the same manufacturer it’s minimal. Plus that custom quilt weight doesn’t include strap weight so some of “savings” aren’t that great. Here’s a quick example of that big weight savings everyone talks about! REI magma 30 quilt 19oz and REI magma 30 sleeping bag 19.8! You do save $30 though! Take care and thanks again for the great info in your video!
Great balanced video! I appreciate that you use both for different situations. I use the Aegis Max sleeping bag as a quilt by unzipping it most of the year and switch to a zero degree sleeping bag for winter trips. As always, thanks for showing us different options.
If you’re getting drafts in a quilt when rolling around and using your straps properly, you need a wider quilt. This is one of the most common misconceptions. Get the wider quilt. I’m a wide & tall side sleeper who thrashes about. I have a wide and tall 10 degree quilt that’s amazing down into the teens with no layers on my body. I notice any draft instantly. Get a properly sized quilt, use the straps as designed, no drafts.
I am a side sleeper that flips and flops all night. I love my UGQ XL Bandit Quilt. Absolutely my favorite piece of equipment. My sleep system: Gossamer Gear 14” foam pad, Nemo Tensor sleep pad - regular wide, Sleep liner (I put my sleep pad inside the sleep liner) and my UGQ XL Bandit Quilt. Lovely night of sleeping results.
Some of the quilts look really nice and they are definitely equally (maybe not quite) equally expensive. I have a western mountaineering 20 degree bag. Sometimes wonder if I should have done the 0 degree? but was convinced by someone to go with the 20 degree to cover me for 90% of the time. Last weekend I camped and used the bag (too warm except morning temperatures) but I unzipped the bag and then it was basically a sleeping bag acting as a quilt/blanket. Worked very good that way. Also bought a rumpl blanket recently that packs nicely (haven't used yet) that I hope can be used for warm weather or possibly as extra insulation for the cold nights which will be way below 0.
Thank you for a balanced view. For me, asking if a quilt is better, I would ask back, better for whom? Better at what? Better in what conditions? I absolutely sleep in a quilt i every condition I can get away with it, I feel so much more comfortable and free to move.. but of course, that is a preference, not an inherent quality.
Finally, learned the difference between a bag and a quilt, to be clear, I've never seen a quilt in my life, they're just not a thing where I'm from, but I've found them mentioned a lot. Now to learn the difference between a pad, a mat, a mattress and a cot, oh and air/non-air versions of each
It would be so cool if someone came out with a sleeping pad/sleeping bag combo with the quilt attached to the pad and maybe a half zipper on one side to get in and out, so you could eliminate drafts completely, while also not having the extra weight of the back of the sleeping bag.
Just used the Stato UL 2 last week backpacking in the Eastern Sierra’s. 10.000 feet Little Lakes Valley. 30 degrees low at night , inside the tent measured 42 degrees so pretty good. Used my Sierra Designs Nitro 20 quilt and Nemo Quasar pad. Stayed warm no issues. It rained on us also. The tent performed awesome. It’s perfect for a 1 person who is interested in comfort and not ultralight , but I am taking my wife backpacking in a few weeks and we’ll use the strato 2 person. it will be a little tight on the sides but doable.
You should check out the Zenbivy quilt system. It uses a ul sheet that has a hood with small cord loops and small hooks all around it to seal it up. Also the fitted sheet has the pad straps on it not the quilt. Its the best of both world. Had mine to 3° F in February toasty warm.
thanks for the explanation! I'm shopping for car sleeping solution. I found them pretty expressive. But I guess I'd go for the quilt because I prefer to be able easily roll around without feeling being trapped.
I love my sierra designs back country bed because it's kind of a combination of quilt and sleeping bag. I know it's heavier than some people like, but I love it. So comfortable. I think if I went on a really long thru hike I'd consider getting a quilt though, for the weight and space savings.
As for the quilt thing, first great honest information. I love my quilts but some people can be cultist about them. I can toss and turn as well so besides the straps I also use a bivy with a aluminized interior. It gives a little more warmth and helps eliminate the brief drafts that my moving may cause.
Yes!!! PLEASE do a video on the tent! That is the one I have also and I have set it up a couple times, but never got a chance to test it! I think it looks like a wonderful tent, but please please PLEASE!!!
I use a quilt... And a not so UL sleeping pad (big Agnes q-core deluxe) and the pad is very comfy to sleep directly on ... Not all of them are though I've also used a quilt down to about 10° and was toasty all night long (enlightened equipment is the best) So, some of this is good information, and some of it is really personal preference
Basically the idea is that a sleeping bag doesn't provide much insulation under your body because you are compressing the insulation. It is primarily the pad that keeps you warm from underneath. A quilt is pretty much a bag without the back. It only goes around your feet. Instead of wrapping completely around your torso, there are straps that attach the quilt to a sleeping pad of your choice. Essentially, this is like having a sleeping bag. What you need to ask yourself is what is important to you. A bag offers unrivaled comfort with minimal adjustments, but also a weight penalty. A quilt offers a huge reduction in weight and volume, with the same warmth as a bag but you may have to adjust it during the night if you toss and turn alot.
Well said Dan, Quilt warm weather - Sleeping bag cold weather! Boom Done! I have the best of both worlds, Western Mountaineering Terralite (overstuffed to 20 degrees) functions as a wider mummy bag but completely unzips to act as a quilt or blanket! Boom Done! One bag all seasons..
No one has ever done a video of what you do with all your stuff after your hike is over. Do you wash the sleeping bag? Do you restock your backpack? How do you keep track of supplies you need? Like restocking TP, wipes? Medicines, etc
I don't get why a quilt is better than a sleeping bag. With nothing but your base layer between you and the sleeping pad, the heat loss will be greater for a quilt. Even partially compressed some insulation (bag) is better than nothing. And why are quilts sooo expensive cpompared to sleeping bags with similar FP down? One of my camping buddies uses a quilt and had to buy an expensive, heavy, noisey sleeping pad with a high R-value to stay warm. He also sometimes carries a packable down throw to put over his $275 quilt. I now make my own hybrid bag/quilt with 700 FP down on the top and sides and Climashield + emergency blanket layers on the bottom. 1.5 pounds and good to 43F with a cheap R2.5 pad. Total cost for the quilt/bag is about $60.
Was shopping the webs last night wondering about the consensus in quilts vs bags, I thought I’d check your channel but then I fell asleep, turns out you made a fresh video for me, thanks sir! I’m ready to drop some big coin on some baggage, mild weather bags are easy, I want the best 0 degree, will be sticking with bags now, thankyou again my brosephlol Did you know Apple auto corrects broseph to my bride oh!
As a hot sleeper, who stomach sleeps & moves, I love my quilt. I had a few bags as a kid, and have moved to quilts 100% even in winter. I do have a second bag I use in winter, but I go so rarely in the cold-cold, non issue.
Do the video buddy! I love the comfort a a 2 man tent but I don't love how much most weigh 3-5 lbs. Like you, I part time back pack and part time car camp. I usually go solo backpacking ( I am 72 and all my buddies that used to won't any more..woosies)Like you also, I like my creature comforts. I like the ultra-lites but way too much money! You have a ton of videos on tents I know, but based on my needs/wants,, could you give me an idea of which ones I should check out? Thanks Dan! Appreciate you bringing all you you do for our community of backpackers. I think you represent most of us weekend warriors!
I’m a hammocker, so i use quilts; but when i have to stay in a shelter on a pad, i roll over alot and i found UGQ UL pad straps that have a shock cord//toggle/cord lock that you can tighten up and it keeps drafts out, for me, even when tossing and turning
Dan, take a look at best of both worlds the Sierra Designs Cloud 800/20 Degree Sleeping Bag, i call it half sleeping bag and half quilt, and two great things about it are the sleeve that attaches it to the pad, far superior to any straps and the foot box with a design that allows you to put your feet outside the bag with a slight bend of the knees. See what you think and yes would like to see a review on the tent....
I have both and love both....bought a 0 degree bag at the MEC sale in May 2011 for $3 CANADIAN!!!! What a steal of a deal :) Bought my Katabatic Sawash 10 degree in 2017 in their sale bin...it has 4oz extra of down. I use both in the winter
I always thought the best solution is - a sleeping bag without a hood. Huh?! The problem with quilts, as you mentioned is they will leak air on the sides regardless of straps. You can get nice roomy sleeping bags that are as comfortable as a quilt. Yes you will have to carry a few extra ounces but what is more valuable - trimming ounces or getting a good night's sleep? But there is one remaining annoying thing about a sleeping bag. As you roll around in the night, with a proper sleeping bag you can move unencumbered except for your head which is wrapped into a fixed point(s) hood. One minute that hood opening is comfortably positioned over your mouth and hole and the next it's serving as an ear hole while you breath in down and nylon. Get a good hoodless sleeping bag (no, not a rectangular one, rather a tapered one, they are out there) and add a good down hood when you need it. Bingo. Problems solved.
I already bough the Corus Thermarest quilt and it was missing loft badly. I couldn’t use it even for summer so I returned it ASAP and ordered one from UGQ. Once I got it, I noticed right away the quality difference between both. It is so huge there is no point to pick the Thermarest just to save few bucks.
Thank you. I keep seeing and reading the whole "squished insulation =sleeping bag BAD vs open back =quilt GOOD" and it makes no sense to me. Your explanation seems to go along with my thoughts. Now. I'll be using an air mattress with battery powered pump for Motorcycle camping. I'm trying to decide on bag vs quilt.
@@MrZombeeBait I did not have issues with the down shifting. I did tuck my pad into my comforter foot and used the two included straps; I had no issues with drafts either.
I've been using the Thermarest Argo quilt for the last 3 years and love it. On cool nights I would add a beanie. And winter camping a toque and a reflective bivy bag around my sleeping pad and quilt. When my budget allows I'm going to give the Big Agnes Tourchlight UL a try next. Thanks Dan. Cheers!
I just got that tent too! So much better with hiking with teenager! A little heavier than my Big Agnes HV UL2 but the two doors and extra width are worth it!
Quilts are the best thing ever - full disclosure, I grew up in the Midwest where its cold and I grew up sleeping on the ground. I now live in NC & it doesn't even get cold here, unless I venture up into the Mts. My bag is a 20 degree, XTra wide - I typically sleep w/it unzipped so I can move about freely. I also have 10 degree UGQ & 40 degree Kammok quilts. My daughter uses the 10 degree (she is a cold sleeper and a hammock camper) I use the 40, probably on the same trip, as I'm a hot sleeper. I agree, I will tend to pull the bag out on really cold trips....maybe.
My overstuffed 30 degree UGQ Bandit XL is my goto for 3 season backpacking. I've unexpectedly used down to 20 degrees when I layered up with my clothing and slept great.
You should review the Zenbivy when reviewing the quilt. It is a game changer. It combines the elements of both a bag and quilt and it also snuggles around your head
UGQ outdoor makes a hybrid called the outlaw. Might be worth checking out if not sure. Otherwise hammock gear economy burrow is a cheap way to try a very high quality quilt. Think it's only $130 for a 40* down quilt.
I definitely have a win/win with my both my sleeping bag and quilt. I love the versatile depending on the trail I am going on and weather conditions. Great video.
I move around a lot too. Mostly my back and stomach though. I'm usually in a hammock so I prefer a top quilt. But I do really like that sleeping bag. I've always wanted room to move but to be able to cinch it up on my neck. I will definitely check that out. You should totally give us a preview of that tent too.
On the only trip that I've been on, 11,000+ feet in August, all I brought was one of those insulated ponchos that zips up into a sleeping bag. There was definitely some cold nights. Now I want a sleep system that can be used for both hammock and tent, but can't really decide how to go about it. Biggest reason is that I originally wanted to hammock camp on that trip, but at the last second went with a way-too-small tent. Once we got up there the tent was the better choice. There was so much beetle kill up there, I don't think I saw a single suitable place for a hammock in the 20 miles that we hiked in. So I want a versatile sleep system so that in the event of there not being a good place to hang, I'll still be comfortable on the ground. Any ideas, other than just buying 2 separate sleep systems?
I wish I could love my sleeping bag because it keeps me so warm but I always feel so claustrophobic in it even though it's not a small bag for my size. Also since I flip around ALOT the hood some times shimmies it's way to my face and wakes me up in a panic (clearly I have claustrophobia issues lol). I'm picking up a quilt for my next trip and I hope it works out better.
Claustrophobia sucks! I learned how bad mine is on my first backpacking trip ever last year. Brought a tent that was too small and went to sleep alright the first night but woke up in the night in a panic. Ruined the rest of the trip for me. Had to switch tents with someone for the rest of it.
I am the coldest sleeper on the planet for starters :) I just don’t think I could get the same warmth from a pad and bag. So quilts and hammocks have been my go to.
I have always used a sleeping bag and mummy bag . But i move around alot and sometimes felt restricted tii a couple years now i just put my mummy bag on top of me like a top quilt and been perfect for me .
OK ... thanks for this video. Inadvertently, I ended up making my own quilt system. The problem for me is I find sleeping right on the nylon pads makes me clammy and uncomfortable. So, I got a Dreamtime from Thermorest. Awesome comfort, but 8.5 lbs. My work around for this summer is to have a lighter self inflator, put a foamy on top and then a fleece blanket. My bag/quilt is a 2 lb rectangular bag with thinsulite in it and it is plenty warm for the summer and shoulder seasons to about say 5C. I was wondering if sleeping on the nylon pads is uncomfortable for you and if so what you do about it. Thanks for your work. Henri.
Great video, I was a bit disappointed to recently learn that Enlightened Equipment uses duck down in my stock 850 fill Revelation. They only use premium goose down in their 950 fill quilts
Hi Dan, thank you for all the videos you do for the community! My boyfriend and I started backpacking last year and are avid campers. We’ve learned a lot of tips and information from your channel! I was searching for a photography gear video from you, but wasn’t able to locate one! Did I overlook it? Katie
Quilts 100% for me. I can sleep without much motion and am fine in any position. Sometimes I simply connect the clips to each other and don’t even use the straps that go around the pad. I have a hammock gear ground quilt. 20F. Std length. Wide. Closed foot box. 850 fill. Roomy.
I'm giving seriously thought to getting a quilt (maybe Enlightened Equipment-take a tour of you are near their biz!) but that means I'd have to get an insulated pad. I've tent camped in the snow with an older sl.bag and, now, with my BA UL30 Torchlight. Same pad, essentially no insulation. Unluckily, with temp down to 36*, I felt a chill through my camp pad with new bag. I sleep warm, so I was surprised. Does BA put less insulation on bottom of this bag and not report this? Does compressing down vs. synthetic make a difference regarding insulation properties? Or is my body changing? Otherwise, I ditto what Dan said regarding the comfort of this bag. Zippers are also very easy to use. (I had to return a very nice, comparable, Marmot bag because I was afraid I'd rip the zippers out, and I just slept poorly in it. The Marmot mummy was too constricting, especially for side sleeping.) I would love to see some creativity with the hoods on this style of bag. The face opening is great for a back sleeper but gets awkward for a side sleeper. This is one reason I'm considering a quilt... and I want to stick my feet out the end if I get warm! Torchlight is my first down bag. I have heard the down can have an odor. I hope my bag has an odor because it's down and not because I slept five nights in it in BWCA this June! None of my synthetic bags, no matter how old, have an odor. Dan, The pad straps on your quilt did not look adjustable to accommodate different width pads. Are they, or do other brands have adjustable pad straps? Thanks for another good video? For someone who's probably going to have to get in insulated backpacking sleeping bag pad, I vote for lots of reviews on the same!!! ;)
Got to have a hood Without a hood there is too much heat loss around the head and shoulders And I am a side sleeper So I want the wrap around as I turn to either side
As a stomach sleeper (5'11" 200lbs) I really like the Nemo Forte or other similar cut bags. I can sleep on my stomach with a knee hiked up a and two pillows.
I'm going to be starting bikepacking this fall in the Phoenix area and need to change my gear. I'm thinking a quilt would be a much better fit for packing. That and the BA Fly Creek bikepacking tent. Do you concur? Thanks!
100% prefer sleeping bags anywhere in wilderness or anyplace there could be a quick weather change but in the dead heat of summer a quilt is nice on an overnight
Quilt for me, hands down. Feels more like sleeping at home. I roll all over the place. Also, if I’m hot I just stick my legs/feet/arms out. Recently took my quilt to 17,000ft in below freezing temps and never got cold. (caveat, my quilt has a 15F comfort rating and I have a proper sleep pad)
Dan, I am looking for a quilt, that is effective down to 0 degrees, and able to compresses to the smallest size possible. I have the Outdoor Vitals underquilt, and it keeps me warm, but takes up a ton of room. Any suggestions on a top quilt that won't do that?
There are pros and cons with both. I feel so claustrophobic in a sleeping bag. I toss around so much I've woken up numerous times with the zipper under me which freaks me out. I've only used the quilt once and I liked it but I bought a super light quilt and missed the weight of my bag on top of me - even though I was super warm. Weird.
You can, but a quilt will be much lighter because all that section you are unzipping is completely gone on a quilt. Pack size is much smaller on a quilt. So there is a pretty big difference between the two
@@safromnc8616 still, a sleeping bag has much more material than a quilt. That is why a lot of people use them. To save weight/pack size and stay warm at the same time. Sleeping bags are nice but there is a difference. Not saying a quilt is better either
Great info!!! Could you compare them with SOL Reflective Escape Bivvy? Some people use it to replace sleeping bag or quilts to cut down weight. Thank you.👍
I use my sleeping bag as a quilt it's a teton 20 degree trailhead for a scout it's too confined for warmer weather works great in 40 degrees so far havent tried it in 30 degrees I dont think this thing will work below that without having a liner but I plan on getting a winter bag for colder weather a liner is great but I'd need like 3 liners to get this thing down to sleep in really cold weather I slept in -15 F once so I get a feel for what I need and its definitely not this bag lol I might use it as a liner for my cold weather bag.. but this thing is perfect size lightweight and super packable perfect summer/fall bag
Hello, thank you for this usefull and well made video ! I see that you are using a red tarpaulin under your sleeping pad, to protect it I suppose. Do you have the reference of this product please ?
Me personally, I sleep in a giant tortilla. It's cheap, super light, and if I get hungry in the night, I can eat it.
Bit how do you keep rodents from snacking on your tortilla
And the Bears get a free human burrito!
@@MrZombeeBait oh my gosh 😁😂
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@@MrZombeeBait this comment made my day 😂
I was trying to decide on a new bag last year and couldn't decide what to do. I went with the Kelty Galactic 30 sleeping bag (tall/wide). It's a down filled, rectangle sleeping bag with a drawstring top. Lightweight and roomy. I can use it like a "normal" sleeping bag, I can use the drawstring at the top and make it into a "mummy bag", or I can only zip up around my feet and use it like a "quilt". So far, it's been awesome and I love the versatility.
I just wish they made a 20 degree version!
@@blueneet84 Same
So basically I've been using a "quilt" for the last 30 yrs when camping. It's called unzipping my sleeping bag and sleeping under it. I still don't buy the gimmick that a quilt is completely different from an unzipped sleeping bag. I can even leave the last bit of my sleeping bag zipped to create a foot box.
Exactly sir!
It's mainly the weight to cost ratio for me. If I wanted a -6C limit sleeping bag that weighted 800g, I feel like that would be about £400, whereas the corus long has both of those and was £200. If weight and packability or cost isn't an issue then yes, a quilt seems like overkill, especially because you generally can't buy them from cheaper or more generic stores like millets
Well for me I dont have the annoying hood in the way or the zipper and I can hook it under the pad without it in the way and the biggest thing is you can get a quilt without a taper.
And thats just my opinion
Totally agree. I think it’s funny that quilt makers now sell insulated hoods and down booties to sleep in.
Jeez, I'm glad I'm not the only one who had that "novel" thought!😂
I think quilts with their pad straps and other contraptions can be quite effective if the temperatures are mild. But when it gets 0F and lower you'd be crazy to not be in a good bag. That's where draft tubes and other fine details make the difference between freezing and staying warm.
Interesting pad straps. Mine are totally different and the quilt never goes under the pad I never get drafts. I do quilt most of the time since I sleep on my side and got tired of feeling suffocated, but in the winter for freezing temps a sleeping bag is pretty cozy!
I love my Thermarest Corus 20 quilt, I use it with a Thermarest Neoair Xtherm sleeping pad.
I’m a cold sleeper and I roll around a lot.
Now I’m always warm and I’m not tangled up in a sleeping bag, hunting for the zip when nature calls.
I switched to a quilt to save weight and find it to be very comfortable in both warm and cold weather. I am a tosser which does give me some challenges but I work around it. Take Care Dan
There are plenty of tossers in the UK.
Great info for people to think about. I have been thinking about a quilt but will probably stick with bags for a lot of reasons. People ask all the time about the hood of a mummy bag not being in the right place when they move around but that’s easy, don’t try to turn in the bag, just move with the bag. Another thing I have noticed, all the comments about weight savings, it’s just not that great. Sure if you compare a custom quilt to a large manufacture sleeping bag there are savings but, if you actually compare both from the same manufacturer it’s minimal. Plus that custom quilt weight doesn’t include strap weight so some of “savings” aren’t that great. Here’s a quick example of that big weight savings everyone talks about! REI magma 30 quilt 19oz and REI magma 30 sleeping bag 19.8! You do save $30 though! Take care and thanks again for the great info in your video!
Great balanced video! I appreciate that you use both for different situations. I use the Aegis Max sleeping bag as a quilt by unzipping it most of the year and switch to a zero degree sleeping bag for winter trips. As always, thanks for showing us different options.
If you’re getting drafts in a quilt when rolling around and using your straps properly, you need a wider quilt. This is one of the most common misconceptions. Get the wider quilt. I’m a wide & tall side sleeper who thrashes about. I have a wide and tall 10 degree quilt that’s amazing down into the teens with no layers on my body. I notice any draft instantly. Get a properly sized quilt, use the straps as designed, no drafts.
Wide quilts Recommendations ? Thanks
@ I’ve been happy with my enlightened equipment revelation quilts. Lots like ugq too. Both offer customization for wide or even extra wide quilts.
@ big agnes diamond park zero degree.Very wide sleeping bag with removable bottom so it can be used as a quilt.
How tall are you
This is why I like using a square bag, that way theres no draft, no restrictive movement, and I'm still warm.
I am a side sleeper that flips and flops all night. I love my UGQ XL Bandit Quilt. Absolutely my favorite piece of equipment. My sleep system: Gossamer Gear 14” foam pad, Nemo Tensor sleep pad - regular wide, Sleep liner (I put my sleep pad inside the sleep liner) and my UGQ XL Bandit Quilt. Lovely night of sleeping results.
Some of the quilts look really nice and they are definitely equally (maybe not quite) equally expensive. I have a western mountaineering 20 degree bag. Sometimes wonder if I should have done the 0 degree? but was convinced by someone to go with the 20 degree to cover me for 90% of the time. Last weekend I camped and used the bag (too warm except morning temperatures) but I unzipped the bag and then it was basically a sleeping bag acting as a quilt/blanket. Worked very good that way. Also bought a rumpl blanket recently that packs nicely (haven't used yet) that I hope can be used for warm weather or possibly as extra insulation for the cold nights which will be way below 0.
Thank you for a balanced view.
For me, asking if a quilt is better, I would ask back, better for whom? Better at what? Better in what conditions?
I absolutely sleep in a quilt i every condition I can get away with it, I feel so much more comfortable and free to move.. but of course, that is a preference, not an inherent quality.
Finally, learned the difference between a bag and a quilt, to be clear, I've never seen a quilt in my life, they're just not a thing where I'm from, but I've found them mentioned a lot.
Now to learn the difference between a pad, a mat, a mattress and a cot, oh and air/non-air versions of each
It took this video to figure that out 😆 🤣 😂
It would be so cool if someone came out with a sleeping pad/sleeping bag combo with the quilt attached to the pad and maybe a half zipper on one side to get in and out, so you could eliminate drafts completely, while also not having the extra weight of the back of the sleeping bag.
Zen bivy?
Just used the Stato UL 2 last week backpacking in the Eastern Sierra’s. 10.000 feet Little Lakes Valley. 30 degrees low at night , inside the tent measured 42 degrees so pretty good. Used my Sierra Designs Nitro 20 quilt and Nemo Quasar pad. Stayed warm no issues. It rained on us also. The tent performed awesome. It’s perfect for a 1 person who is interested in comfort and not ultralight , but I am taking my wife backpacking in a few weeks and we’ll use the strato 2 person. it will be a little tight on the sides but doable.
Great info, spot on.... Here above the Arctic circle i prefer a sleeping bag . 1 july and +8c as i write
You should check out the Zenbivy quilt system. It uses a ul sheet that has a hood with small cord loops and small hooks all around it to seal it up. Also the fitted sheet has the pad straps on it not the quilt. Its the best of both world. Had mine to 3° F in February toasty warm.
I had to check it out and like the concept for camping but way too heavy for me to take backpacking.
Good vid Dan. Probably the most honest discussion about each bag type I've seen and I've seen a lot of them.
thanks for the explanation! I'm shopping for car sleeping solution. I found them pretty expressive. But I guess I'd go for the quilt because I prefer to be able easily roll around without feeling being trapped.
I love my sierra designs back country bed because it's kind of a combination of quilt and sleeping bag. I know it's heavier than some people like, but I love it. So comfortable. I think if I went on a really long thru hike I'd consider getting a quilt though, for the weight and space savings.
As for the quilt thing, first great honest information. I love my quilts but some people can be cultist about them. I can toss and turn as well so besides the straps I also use a bivy with a aluminized interior. It gives a little more warmth and helps eliminate the brief drafts that my moving may cause.
Yes!!! PLEASE do a video on the tent! That is the one I have also and I have set it up a couple times, but never got a chance to test it! I think it looks like a wonderful tent, but please please PLEASE!!!
So, using a quilt, you are directly on the pad? That does not seem appealing to me at all.
Check out zenbivy
I use a quilt... And a not so UL sleeping pad (big Agnes q-core deluxe) and the pad is very comfy to sleep directly on
... Not all of them are though
I've also used a quilt down to about 10° and was toasty all night long (enlightened equipment is the best)
So, some of this is good information, and some of it is really personal preference
I slip my pad into a mummy liner and it's cozy under my quilt.
Basically the idea is that a sleeping bag doesn't provide much insulation under your body because you are compressing the insulation. It is primarily the pad that keeps you warm from underneath. A quilt is pretty much a bag without the back. It only goes around your feet. Instead of wrapping completely around your torso, there are straps that attach the quilt to a sleeping pad of your choice. Essentially, this is like having a sleeping bag.
What you need to ask yourself is what is important to you. A bag offers unrivaled comfort with minimal adjustments, but also a weight penalty. A quilt offers a huge reduction in weight and volume, with the same warmth as a bag but you may have to adjust it during the night if you toss and turn alot.
Well said Dan, Quilt warm weather - Sleeping bag cold weather! Boom Done! I have the best of both worlds, Western Mountaineering Terralite (overstuffed to 20 degrees) functions as a wider mummy bag but completely unzips to act as a quilt or blanket! Boom Done! One bag all seasons..
No one has ever done a video of what you do with all your stuff after your hike is over. Do you wash the sleeping bag? Do you restock your backpack? How do you keep track of supplies you need? Like restocking TP, wipes? Medicines, etc
I don't get why a quilt is better than a sleeping bag. With nothing but your base layer between you and the sleeping pad, the heat loss will be greater for a quilt. Even partially compressed some insulation (bag) is better than nothing. And why are quilts sooo expensive cpompared to sleeping bags with similar FP down? One of my camping buddies uses a quilt and had to buy an expensive, heavy, noisey sleeping pad with a high R-value to stay warm. He also sometimes carries a packable down throw to put over his $275 quilt. I now make my own hybrid bag/quilt with 700 FP down on the top and sides and Climashield + emergency blanket layers on the bottom. 1.5 pounds and good to 43F with a cheap R2.5 pad. Total cost for the quilt/bag is about $60.
Was shopping the webs last night wondering about the consensus in quilts vs bags, I thought I’d check your channel but then I fell asleep, turns out you made a fresh video for me, thanks sir!
I’m ready to drop some big coin on some baggage,
mild weather bags are easy, I want the best 0 degree, will be sticking with bags now, thankyou again my brosephlol
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As a hot sleeper, who stomach sleeps & moves, I love my quilt. I had a few bags as a kid, and have moved to quilts 100% even in winter. I do have a second bag I use in winter, but I go so rarely in the cold-cold, non issue.
Hey nick i sleep hot too an love having a foot or two out of the bag. What kind of quilt do you use ?
Do the video buddy! I love the comfort a a 2 man tent but I don't love how much most weigh 3-5 lbs. Like you, I part time back pack and part time car camp. I usually go solo backpacking ( I am 72 and all my buddies that used to won't any more..woosies)Like you also, I like my creature comforts. I like the ultra-lites but way too much money! You have a ton of videos on tents I know, but based on my needs/wants,, could you give me an idea of which ones I should check out? Thanks Dan! Appreciate you bringing all you you do for our community of backpackers. I think you represent most of us weekend warriors!
I’m a hammocker, so i use quilts; but when i have to stay in a shelter on a pad, i roll over alot and i found UGQ UL pad straps that have a shock cord//toggle/cord lock that you can tighten up and it keeps drafts out, for me, even when tossing and turning
Hey Dan nice meeting you today!! Lmk if you want any areas around here!
Dan, take a look at best of both worlds the Sierra Designs Cloud 800/20 Degree Sleeping Bag, i call it half sleeping bag and half quilt, and two great things about it are the sleeve that attaches it to the pad, far superior to any straps and the foot box with a design that allows you to put your feet outside the bag with a slight bend of the knees. See what you think and yes would like to see a review on the tent....
I have both and love both....bought a 0 degree bag at the MEC sale in May 2011 for $3 CANADIAN!!!! What a steal of a deal :)
Bought my Katabatic Sawash 10 degree in 2017 in their sale bin...it has 4oz extra of down. I use both in the winter
I always thought the best solution is - a sleeping bag without a hood. Huh?! The problem with quilts, as you mentioned is they will leak air on the sides regardless of straps. You can get nice roomy sleeping bags that are as comfortable as a quilt. Yes you will have to carry a few extra ounces but what is more valuable - trimming ounces or getting a good night's sleep? But there is one remaining annoying thing about a sleeping bag. As you roll around in the night, with a proper sleeping bag you can move unencumbered except for your head which is wrapped into a fixed point(s) hood. One minute that hood opening is comfortably positioned over your mouth and hole and the next it's serving as an ear hole while you breath in down and nylon. Get a good hoodless sleeping bag (no, not a rectangular one, rather a tapered one, they are out there) and add a good down hood when you need it. Bingo. Problems solved.
I wonder if there is any video or gear review that you are not being sponsored and so I will be totally satisfied you are honest about that review
Great Video. Been mulling over a quilt, thanks for talking me thru it.
Quilts get my vote. Yes, please do a review.
Thanks for the vid! I've been thinking about trying a quilt for different situations
I already bough the Corus Thermarest quilt and it was missing loft badly. I couldn’t use it even for summer so I returned it ASAP and ordered one from UGQ. Once I got it, I noticed right away the quality difference between both. It is so huge there is no point to pick the Thermarest just to save few bucks.
Thank you. I keep seeing and reading the whole "squished insulation =sleeping bag BAD vs open back =quilt GOOD" and it makes no sense to me. Your explanation seems to go along with my thoughts.
Now. I'll be using an air mattress with battery powered pump for Motorcycle camping. I'm trying to decide on bag vs quilt.
I have the Therm A Rest quilt with a Big Agnes insulated pad (wide/long) and I sleep warm throughout the night
That’s only because most likely you don’t do many 20 to 30 degrees nights type of hiking.
I'm thinking of getting one, does the down shift much with the horizontal baffles?
@@MrZombeeBait I did not have issues with the down shifting. I did tuck my pad into my comforter foot and used the two included straps; I had no issues with drafts either.
@@TheRedsox857 good to know! Do you have the 20 or 30?
@@MrZombeeBait the Therm A Rest Corus 20. I ordered it from REI.
I've been using the Thermarest Argo quilt for the last 3 years and love it. On cool nights I would add a beanie. And winter camping a toque and a reflective bivy bag around my sleeping pad and quilt. When my budget allows I'm going to give the Big Agnes Tourchlight UL a try next. Thanks Dan. Cheers!
I just got that tent too! So much better with hiking with teenager! A little heavier than my Big Agnes HV UL2 but the two doors and extra width are worth it!
Quilts are the best thing ever - full disclosure, I grew up in the Midwest where its cold and I grew up sleeping on the ground. I now live in NC & it doesn't even get cold here, unless I venture up into the Mts. My bag is a 20 degree, XTra wide - I typically sleep w/it unzipped so I can move about freely. I also have 10 degree UGQ & 40 degree Kammok quilts. My daughter uses the 10 degree (she is a cold sleeper and a hammock camper) I use the 40, probably on the same trip, as I'm a hot sleeper. I agree, I will tend to pull the bag out on really cold trips....maybe.
My overstuffed 30 degree UGQ Bandit XL is my goto for 3 season backpacking. I've unexpectedly used down to 20 degrees when I layered up with my clothing and slept great.
You should review the Zenbivy when reviewing the quilt. It is a game changer. It combines the elements of both a bag and quilt and it also snuggles around your head
Thanks for all the info Dan. I just been debating about trying a quilt.
Never used one before. Always used a sleeping bag.
UGQ outdoor makes a hybrid called the outlaw. Might be worth checking out if not sure. Otherwise hammock gear economy burrow is a cheap way to try a very high quality quilt. Think it's only $130 for a 40* down quilt.
@@gt5228z Thanks for the info 👍
I've used my sleeping bags as quilts for 40 years...
Latest buys were quilts, UGQ.
I definitely have a win/win with my both my sleeping bag and quilt. I love the versatile depending on the trail I am going on and weather conditions. Great video.
Yes, please post a video review of the tent ⛺️
I find top quilts much easier to use in my hammock.
What do you do if you get to a spot that doesn't have a good place to hang a hammock?
I'd love a video on that tent!
I move around a lot too. Mostly my back and stomach though. I'm usually in a hammock so I prefer a top quilt. But I do really like that sleeping bag. I've always wanted room to move but to be able to cinch it up on my neck. I will definitely check that out. You should totally give us a preview of that tent too.
On the only trip that I've been on, 11,000+ feet in August, all I brought was one of those insulated ponchos that zips up into a sleeping bag. There was definitely some cold nights. Now I want a sleep system that can be used for both hammock and tent, but can't really decide how to go about it. Biggest reason is that I originally wanted to hammock camp on that trip, but at the last second went with a way-too-small tent. Once we got up there the tent was the better choice. There was so much beetle kill up there, I don't think I saw a single suitable place for a hammock in the 20 miles that we hiked in. So I want a versatile sleep system so that in the event of there not being a good place to hang, I'll still be comfortable on the ground. Any ideas, other than just buying 2 separate sleep systems?
I wish I could love my sleeping bag because it keeps me so warm but I always feel so claustrophobic in it even though it's not a small bag for my size. Also since I flip around ALOT the hood some times shimmies it's way to my face and wakes me up in a panic (clearly I have claustrophobia issues lol). I'm picking up a quilt for my next trip and I hope it works out better.
Claustrophobia sucks! I learned how bad mine is on my first backpacking trip ever last year. Brought a tent that was too small and went to sleep alright the first night but woke up in the night in a panic. Ruined the rest of the trip for me. Had to switch tents with someone for the rest of it.
I am the coldest sleeper on the planet for starters :) I just don’t think I could get the same warmth from a pad and bag. So quilts and hammocks have been my go to.
I have the Eureka lone pine -18c sleeping bag, it is very versatile in my opinion if a little bit big would recommend
I have always used a sleeping bag and mummy bag . But i move around alot and sometimes felt restricted tii a couple years now i just put my mummy bag on top of me like a top quilt and been perfect for me .
Which would you recommend if your hammock camping?
Great information video Dan.
OK ... thanks for this video. Inadvertently, I ended up making my own quilt system. The problem for me is I find sleeping right on the nylon pads makes me clammy and uncomfortable. So, I got a Dreamtime from Thermorest. Awesome comfort, but 8.5 lbs. My work around for this summer is to have a lighter self inflator, put a foamy on top and then a fleece blanket. My bag/quilt is a 2 lb rectangular bag with thinsulite in it and it is plenty warm for the summer and shoulder seasons to about say 5C. I was wondering if sleeping on the nylon pads is uncomfortable for you and if so what you do about it. Thanks for your work. Henri.
YES PLEASE, a review on the Mountain Hardware tent! :D
Great video, I was a bit disappointed to recently learn that Enlightened Equipment uses duck down in my stock 850 fill Revelation. They only use premium goose down in their 950 fill quilts
Great Video, with precise information!
Hi Dan, thank you for all the videos you do for the community! My boyfriend and I started backpacking last year and are avid campers. We’ve learned a lot of tips and information from your channel! I was searching for a photography gear video from you, but wasn’t able to locate one! Did I overlook it?
Katie
Quilts 100% for me. I can sleep without much motion and am fine in any position. Sometimes I simply connect the clips to each other and don’t even use the straps that go around the pad. I have a hammock gear ground quilt. 20F. Std length. Wide. Closed foot box. 850 fill. Roomy.
Sleeping directly on my pad is very annoying!
I'm giving seriously thought to getting a quilt (maybe Enlightened Equipment-take a tour of you are near their biz!) but that means I'd have to get an insulated pad. I've tent camped in the snow with an older sl.bag and, now, with my BA UL30 Torchlight. Same pad, essentially no insulation. Unluckily, with temp down to 36*, I felt a chill through my camp pad with new bag. I sleep warm, so I was surprised. Does BA put less insulation on bottom of this bag and not report this? Does compressing down vs. synthetic make a difference regarding insulation properties? Or is my body changing?
Otherwise, I ditto what Dan said regarding the comfort of this bag. Zippers are also very easy to use. (I had to return a very nice, comparable, Marmot bag because I was afraid I'd rip the zippers out, and I just slept poorly in it. The Marmot mummy was too constricting, especially for side sleeping.) I would love to see some creativity with the hoods on this style of bag. The face opening is great for a back sleeper but gets awkward for a side sleeper. This is one reason I'm considering a quilt... and I want to stick my feet out the end if I get warm!
Torchlight is my first down bag. I have heard the down can have an odor. I hope my bag has an odor because it's down and not because I slept five nights in it in BWCA this June! None of my synthetic bags, no matter how old, have an odor.
Dan, The pad straps on your quilt did not look adjustable to accommodate different width pads. Are they, or do other brands have adjustable pad straps?
Thanks for another good video?
For someone who's probably going to have to get in insulated backpacking sleeping bag pad, I vote for lots of reviews on the same!!! ;)
0:47 Hey that's the tent I told you to check out!!
Got to have a hood
Without a hood there is too much heat loss around the head and shoulders
And I am a side sleeper
So I want the wrap around as I turn to either side
A hood is way more comfortable than a beanie or a jacket with hood.
“A quilt is the least amount of a sleeping bag they can make that will still be useful” 😂😂😂
As a stomach sleeper (5'11" 200lbs) I really like the Nemo Forte or other similar cut bags. I can sleep on my stomach with a knee hiked up a and two pillows.
And with my arms over / under my head they too stay cozy cause of the head box.
Thanks for the info, appreciate it!
Which one 20F or 32F for nights that might get into the mid or upper 40s in the summer?
I'm going to be starting bikepacking this fall in the Phoenix area and need to change my gear. I'm thinking a quilt would be a much better fit for packing. That and the BA Fly Creek bikepacking tent. Do you concur? Thanks!
100% prefer sleeping bags anywhere in wilderness or anyplace there could be a quick weather change but in the dead heat of summer a quilt is nice on an overnight
Funny my wife and i where just trying to decide this for couple overnights we're planning.
Quilt for me, hands down. Feels more like sleeping at home. I roll all over the place. Also, if I’m hot I just stick my legs/feet/arms out. Recently took my quilt to 17,000ft in below freezing temps and never got cold. (caveat, my quilt has a 15F comfort rating and I have a proper sleep pad)
Please talk about Mountain Hardware tent. Bought a MH rain jacket 12 years ago. Still works perfectly.
Dan,
I am looking for a quilt, that is effective down to 0 degrees, and able to compresses to the smallest size possible.
I have the Outdoor Vitals underquilt, and it keeps me warm, but takes up a ton of room.
Any suggestions on a top quilt that won't do that?
Look for a quilt with a higher down fill power. The higher the power the more compressible.
What do you think of Zpacks sleeping bag? Seems like a hybrid quilt/bag. Seems like it has the advantages of both, light weight and full coverage.
You need to try a Zenbivy. It’s the best of both.
You know we want a review on that tent. I'm looking into the 2p hornet elite but still undecided on a new tent.
There are pros and cons with both. I feel so claustrophobic in a sleeping bag. I toss around so much I've woken up numerous times with the zipper under me which freaks me out. I've only used the quilt once and I liked it but I bought a super light quilt and missed the weight of my bag on top of me - even though I was super warm. Weird.
You should look at the new outdoor vitals quilt!
How about using a silk liner along with a quilt?
Am I missing something here? If I buy a bag and want a quilt can’t I just unzip the bag and use it like a quilt?
Sort of. I mean, if it has a hood, the hood is going to be in a bit of a weird place, and the lack of pad straps could make it a bit annoying.
You can, but a quilt will be much lighter because all that section you are unzipping is completely gone on a quilt. Pack size is much smaller on a quilt. So there is a pretty big difference between the two
Depends on the zipper, many only go half way down one side.
@@safromnc8616 still, a sleeping bag has much more material than a quilt. That is why a lot of people use them. To save weight/pack size and stay warm at the same time. Sleeping bags are nice but there is a difference. Not saying a quilt is better either
@@Leadmeoutdoors You should read my original post to the initial thread...
Yes review the tent please!
At home, in my own bed, I wrap the blankets around my head and mummy myself into them. Kinda wish my home sleep system had a built in hood
Pretty cold in the Canadian Rockies for much else than a down sleeping bag!
You can put your pad inside your Big Agnes in a pocket they have provided.
You should 100% review that tent!
Great info!!! Could you compare them with SOL Reflective Escape Bivvy? Some people use it to replace sleeping bag or quilts to cut down weight. Thank you.👍
Every time I've slept in a sleeping bag, I end up with it entirely unzipped and in a quilt configuration. So I just get quilts :)
you could have saved some money and just go to sleep with your sleeping bag unzipped lol
what size sleeping bag did you get and how tall are you? Im 183cm and torm between the Regular and Long sizes
I use my sleeping bag as a quilt it's a teton 20 degree trailhead for a scout it's too confined for warmer weather works great in 40 degrees so far havent tried it in 30 degrees I dont think this thing will work below that without having a liner but I plan on getting a winter bag for colder weather a liner is great but I'd need like 3 liners to get this thing down to sleep in really cold weather I slept in -15 F once so I get a feel for what I need and its definitely not this bag lol I might use it as a liner for my cold weather bag.. but this thing is perfect size lightweight and super packable perfect summer/fall bag
Hello, thank you for this usefull and well made video ! I see that you are using a red tarpaulin under your sleeping pad, to protect it I suppose. Do you have the reference of this product please ?
Definitely review the Mountain Hardwear tent