AMD Ryzen 5800X3D: Let's Chat!
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Is the new Ryzen 5800X3D the best CPU for gaming? What's up with overclocking? Wendell walks you through these questions and more in this video!
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I bought the 3600 when it was championed as a fantastic bang-for-the-buck chip, and have been quite pleased with it. Gonna slot this bad boy in my 500-series mobo and be set until Zen 4 has fully matured and DDR5 prices are rock-bottom.
I think you'll have to wait until Zen 5, but other than that, good luck! You'll surely enjoy this CPU over R5 3600, and will serve you very well for several years.
@@Winnetou17 You're right, I should have said "AM5 has matured". I'll let others pay for the uplift Zen 4 will bring by being beta testers of the new socket. Lol
@@benjaminoechsli1941 For longevity sake, I would think about a 5900X. Purely for more cores, clock speed, PBO and the ability to overclock. Do not get me wrong… for PURELY gaming the 5800X3D is a good chip. The 5900X simply games well enough and does every other task much better than the 5800X3D. Want you to have an amazing investment after these last crazy 2 years!
The most interesting thing is that none of the reviewers compared the 5800X OC, 5900X OC and 5950X OC with the 5800X3D processor. But it's interesting to look at
@@silenciummortum2193 I really don't understand why you guys keep comparing it to the 5800x. Literally costs more than the 5900x which is on sale right now, or retails for just 50 bucks more USD, and where most of us who'd be thinking of buying this thing already are on AM4 and so our end stage CPU choices are going to be the 5800X3D, 5950x, or 5900x. Those are the only three CPUs I really care about being lined up in different tasks, which obviously the 5950x crushes it (albeit more costly) and to where our real gaming potential is going to be what that can achieve on a usually mid to higher end board (because if you're thinking of this good chance you have at least a decent b450 if not high end b550 or x570) using an all core "overclock" with sustained turbos.
Like the only thing I actually care about is 5900x, 5950x, or 5800x3d. I have no clue why every reviewer keeps doing this because it's just not helpful. A lot of us probably are also on 1440p or 4k. I doubt anyone at all is thinking about the 5800x at this point, or where more or less each of these CPUs is in range of each other except 5950x but even that's only a hundred bucks higher depending on sale (identical gaming performance but the PBO/Ryzen Master tweaking allegedly offers slightly higher turbo clock + your final AM4 CPU has 4 more cores for the next 4-8 years of using this PC). I'm not thinking about switching to Alder Lake and I'd never consider the 5800x or 5700x upgrading from my 3700x, which likewise the 3600/3600x, 3700x, and 2700x users are probably also looking at how it all compares.
I'm crossposting this in hopes that at least someone does this lineup rather than comparing to the 5800x or 12900ks (lol) neither of which clearly I'd ever get from 3700x. Seriously I get that it's to compare the quality of the hardware as per what the advertisers are saying, but it's literally not at all related to what any of us actually wants, because I'd never upgrade to the measly 5800x to be my computer's final form on AM4, nor would I ever build on a completely new platform even if it did beat me because DDR5 is unicorn blood tier expensive and why would I waste the money for negligible if any results.
The only people this satisfies is Intel and AMD, not the consumers, all of whom are thinking about the 5900x, 5800x3D, or 5950x, which is funnier when it costs $70 more than the on sale 5900x right now. You'd have either already bought a 5600x and not be upgrading for many years like a 3570k user buying a used 3770k on ebay before junking his LGA1155 on ebay or storage/relative, where this won't be useful to you for 5 years, or be on an older generation and thinking about what your last CPU is going to be which there really is no point getting a 5800x and would either be getting a 5700x to stay octacore, or just getting the best last chip (which is 5950x unless you're solely gaming and the added cost isn't worth it) which is vs the 5900x for gaming. Like I'd only be considering 5900x/X3D at that point because there's theoretical sustained boost on this chip so long as you have proper cooling, whereas 5900x has much better clocks (so it smashes at CSGO for example) and sustained all cores, but has 30mb less cache so cache hungry games will perform substantially better. That's where I'd bet like 90% of all people watching these videos are weighing their options. I only don't consider 5950x more strongly because it costs so much more while being nearly identical in gaming performance.
My 5800X3D has really brought the power and smoothed out micro hitches and response lag in my games. I'm very pleased with mine and I bought it at a fantastic price $384.
Scooped one for $289 other day, wonder how low it’ll go before it runs out of stock
Just picked mine up for $289 also paired with the 3090fe . PBO tuner set all cores to -30 performs so good and stays cool . Undervolting is excellent on this cpu
these performance bumps generation over generation is insane...AM4 dead-end or not, props to AMD
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Technically it's not even a GOG upgrade, its just the same zen 3 architecture with added cache.
Goes to show how good this architecture is, given more cache.
@@arkeynserhayn8370 goes to show how good the 3D V-cache technology is, as well
@@dexter2392 Yeah, that's the main point... Relieves quite a lot of loading in stress by having a monster cache... Also it's right above the cpu cores... not to the sides which is much closer. That helps with speed and signal integrity.
Socket “dead ends” are overplayed anyways. Most users will run a CPU for 4+ years and then upgrade straight to a new socket, and those who do upgrade are upgrading into a dead end.
Most 2000 series systems don’t have chipsets compatible with 5000 series CPUs anyways. 3000-5000 series is a 2 year upgrade schedule.
Can't wait to see what comes from this over time!
the 1% lows on this CPU are kind of great for competitive gamers, is when you usually need frames the most.
100%. I care more about the 1% lows than the avarage.
Precisely.
Pretty much a no brainer coming from a 2600x. MSI is coming out and making BIOS updates for 16MB motherboards like my non-max B450. Major props to them.
Which board? I run the msi B450-A pro and haven't seen documentation on this
Nice, awesome upgrade
Considering this is the "last hurrah" of AM4, this is pretty cool. I am currently using a 5600x, have yet to run into anything it can't deal with more than adequately. Who knows how game engines will change in a few years. What going to be better: more cores? more cache? But that's for future me to worry about :) thanks for the review
It's likely going to be combination of the 2 that end up mattering. 12 thread CPUs are becoming the lowest common denominator of PC, and the consoles have 16. A 3700X is basically the baseline for what a maxed out EOL console port would demand. There is an argument that any CPU with equal or greater computational potential than that would be enough regardless of core/thread count. The 5600X will likely always be at least on par with the 3700X if we see games demanding 12-16 threads. It's unlikely we'll see even PC focused titles requiring more than that anytime soon.
I'd point you to Daniel Owen's coverage of the sample for Matrix Awakens, which is a UE5 title.
ruclips.net/video/0V5TCZzzgOo/видео.html
It's pushed a 5950X from around 29 - 32% most of the time. Now, he was doing a flyover so maybe the game isn't as intense otherwise, I don't know.
But I calculate that out to about 60% for the 5800X3D (better IPC gaming) and 85 - 90% utilization for the 5600X (doesn't run as fast). So while it's true that is should still handle it, it's right there at the border and I certainly wouldn't buy a 5600X to put into a gaming rig at this point now that's I've seen what a UE5 title can do, and it makes me REALLY happy that UE5 can do this because game engines have needed to get better usage from a CPU, instead of being bottlenecked by the CPU but an 8 core is still only at 25% utilization, just because it takes so long to process threads.
@@johndoh5182 I've actually watched that already. When I said "demand" I wasn't implying more would be of no use, just that it would make or break the experience. Keep in mind that is a unoptimized tech demo, and basically no game ever has come out being anywhere near any of the UE tech demos. It's intentionally not offloading GI calculations to the GPUs dedicated hardware, as a proof of concept. Most actually built games are more than likely going to partner with Nvidia or AMD (even Intel). Epic themselves have a long history of working with Nvidia to integrate their tech in their engines. Direct storage also intends on taking load off of the CPU.
The future looks bright and competitive at least with so many innovations. 🙂
@@blkspade23 nvidia just gives a lot of engineers for Unreal Development to work their magic. trying to integrate their special sauce directly for support.
same from Sony and Microsoft for their consoles the RTX for Minecraft video made that very clear.
Going from the R7 2700 on my x470 board to the 5800X3D is a massive improvement. It feels like an entirely different system. I'm exceeding 144 FPS in a ton of games again.
The 5800x3D really shines in MS flightsimulator!!!
I upgraded from a ryzen 7 2700x to the 5800x3D and it's like night and day difference. Great gaming cpu
What temps have you been experiencing? I'm seeing an average of 58C with a Noctua NH-D15
Man I am thinking of getting this one to upgrade my 7 2700x too and I think your comment has convinced me
This channel is literally the best tech channel.
Ok, ty. It makes much more sense why AMD only released one consumer cpu with 3D V-cache. The benefits are mostly for gaming and 5800 was AMD's top gaming cpu.
Wonder how Zen 4 is going to benefit from having 3D V-cache from a productivity perspective? I guess we'll have to see.
Probably significantly, as they will have more time to better integrate V cache timings, and games will better allocate important game functions, and resources to V cache. Can you belive it? the 5800X3D almost the same amount of SRAM as DRAM on my dads 2004 Athlon 1500+ system. Mind blowing 🤯
There was a video about the amd epyc cpus and how they benefit only certain workloads like some simulations.
Not to mention that it seems that they dialed back boosting and disabled OC due to the fabrication process still being relatively new
Cache is great for compiling stuff tho, I'd love to have a special server for building stuff at work :p
@@MarcABrown-tt1fp I believe you. My first pc had a Athlon 64 x2 and it was a little beast. Still miss it.
@@Mpdarkguy Milian x? Yeah, I saw that video. I'm going to guess that 3D V-cache will be optional, like a 7600X3D and 7800X3D versions for gaming.
Wonder if it'll come to their workstation CPUs, ie TR? I'm sure there's some workstation workloads can benefit from more l3 cache like CFD.
That big cache is good for compiling software too.
Most reviewers are focusing on "alder lake better" and ignoring the fact that this is an in-place upgrade for many Zen1 users,
since AMD greenlit beta bioses, my B350 got AGESA 1206b last week, instead of buying a whole new motherboard + ddr5 + i9 for a fortune, i can upgrade my pc to be very close to that for just $450. this is awesome.
Finally a good enough reason to retire my R5 1600.
I'm on the same page as you with this one, been holding out with my 2nd hand 2700 for a while and now I'm considering making the jump because I won't have to do a whole new build
except $450 is not awesome for 8 cores. The 5900X is currently selling for less than this $449 MSRP.
@@bojinglebells agreed. But when it comes to gaming for people who only do that on their computers the 5800x3d is the better deal.
I have a 5950 and I'm still getting this. It will be my gaming rig for a while even well into Zen 4. My zen 4 will be production only until gaming makes more sense. Not getting rid of the 5800X3D though.
production?
5800x3d is super crap for rendering, video etc... so I really hope you've got two computers to make that switch...5950x is the champ by miles I've got 29k cinebenchr23 at 69°C amd is so ahead for productivity..in the same loop the 12900k can't really hit 28k and it's at 90°+ same cooling ! whatever you decide definitely don't go intel 12900k ddr5 Z690 lanes/bandwith management is really bad and ddr5 is a giant lie, you cannot have more than 2 sticks and there's a mafia like code of silence when it comes to that, no one talks about it...when amd release their version if it's the same garbage be ready for a dumpster fire because there arre more productivity people using AMD and they won't like that at all
I hope there is R9 5950X3D a last hurah for AM4 users.
@@jayvee8502 the die space is pretty much maxed out on the 5950. It's got 64mb of L3 cache anyways so it's not too far off the x3d for gaming, but it still smokes it in productivity apps.
@@amirpourghoureiyan1637 2x32mb cache (not 64mb) the L3 cache between ccx has to be kept in sync if the process runs across ccx groups
Oh I've been looking forward to this chat for months awesome
Have a 1700x and have been running it since pre order days :). Bought a b550 and 5800x3D recently and am excited with what it will bring me. Already happy with the 1700x, the new 5800x3d will only make things better
Hi, did you see and feel any difference?
I’m going from a 8150 to a 5800x3d, going from 16GB of ram (ddr3) to 64 ddr4. 😁 finally upgrading my 12 year old rig with a new build!
That will be huge upgrade. Which GPU are you using?
Did the same thing with from a similar build's running off a 1060. best upgrade you will ever make!
I just recently upgraded from a Ryzen 3950X to the 5800X3D, because I didn't need so many cores anymore (used to do some Twitch streaming), and I've been consistently impressed at how the 5800X3D still holds its own in games compared to newer stuff. It's been an amazing chip so far, and I love that it was just a drop-in upgrade, plus was able to sell the 3950X for 2/3rds what I paid for the 5800X3D.
I have a 1700x, I'll definitely upgrade to 5800x3d when the prices go down.
I was gonna do the same upgrade... but picked an MSI mother board and the bios isn't gonna support 5000series (as of mid-april anyways)... much pain. If I went Asus, or one of the other ones, I probably could had this upgrade path. Really disappointed MSI basically lied.
@@QuantumConundrum Thankfully I'm running a 370x Prime Pro. It supports 5000 series. When in doubt, I always go asus, and it usually doesn't fail me.
go for a 5800x or 5900x trust me
@@chadbrick67 if he cares more about gaming performance and less about productivity then 5800X3D is the logical choice. However, something else to keep in mind is what resolution he is going to be gaming on. At 1440p and above the gains are 11% or less (average) according to hardware unboxed.
@@lakibadhikari7930 5900x is still cheaper and on par with gaming
I legit just got two of these, one for a 3950x system for my friend and another for my 3600x living room gaming PC - both boards just needed a simple bios update. AMD is making it a great time to be a PC gamer
And this is just a "testing" from AMD side. Imagine this 3D performance+ new architecture in Zen 4 and more IPCs .. is going to be mind blowing
Zen4 without 3d cache is faster than one with 3d cache in productivity... so like now it depends on what you do with your computer.
We can be quite sure that we see some special edition of Zen4 with 3d cache, but it won´t be the fastest in everything! And it will be more expensive than non 3d cache version.
But if you look for gaming CPU... these can be really sweet!
@@haukionkannel wrong. Its not hte 3d cache that makes it slower.
@@santiagoferrari1973
It is the clock speeds that has to be low because of 3d cache... So it is because of 3d cache, or the limitations with it.
If the Zen4 can go even higher with high voltages. The difference is even bigger.
I don't know if I'm more excited about the 5800X3D's gaming performance or, Wendell's contagious Joy!
7 months later this is the absolute best gaming CPU you can buy, its also insane for photo editors (which i happen to be a photog) and its currently smoking my old 3950x at lightroom and photoshop with half the cores.
edit : and at half the price
edit 2: and since RTX4000 came out, people are seeing 360+ fps SOT benchmarks
Really glad you used the B450 Tomahawk for this, I looked at the VRM tier list and was unsure.
B550 wasn't out at the time I bought my R5 3600.
It's not the cache that's over the cores. It's that structural Silicon that's over the cores. But this still matters. Heat has to travel further through silicon before it gets to a point where it can be dissipated away by a cooler. So, heat is going to get trapped near the cores easier because of that structural silicon sitting on top of it. Maybe the actual distance is about the same because Z-height is the same, but because heat has to go from one layer of IC into a layer of structural silicon and there's a junction there instead of it being the same material, it traps heat more. That's my guess and I'm sticking to it.
Thank you. Will be dropping this into my B450 Tomahawk to upgrade my 3600x.
silly go for a 5800x or 5900x
I'd love to see a follow up about the longevity of the 5800x3D vs the ryzen9s. Basically cache vs cores.
The 5800X3D doesn't always win against the 12900KS, BUT, it's $300-$350 less.
That's pretty damn good for AMD.
its nowhere near the KS I've got one don't believe that rubbish alderlake hammers it
@@chadbrick67 Ok fanboy.
@@jotunheim5302 so ok I'm a fanboy because I told the truth..hope this helps
@@chadbrick67 Told the truth yet there a plethora of reviews out that prove you're a liar.
@@jotunheim5302 slight gaming gains but productivity not as good. And I'm a liar you say. The triggering is complete
No one else on RUclips offers the level of knowledge and insight as Wendell. At least not in a way that regular folks can understand. Big props.
Gamer's Nexus does. They have a Wendell-porter.
Those are some unexpected results, but also very welcome results for sure. Great job as always!
Some esports title seem to benefit significantly with the additional cache, such as Valorant, at least according to Hardware Unboxed's testing. They showed a significant win over 12900k in that title.
swapped my 1700 for the 5800X3D and i went from 200-250fps to 500-600fps in OW2 (a CPU dependent game for sure!)
and thats with the same 1080 GPU, and with the same 2x8GB 2666 RAM OC'd to 3200, same prime x470 pro mobo, same programs, OBS setup, ect
i've been trying to solve micro-hitches for so so long.. and gone down so so many rabbit holes and countless tweaks... well, this slab of silicon solved everything, and i got it for only 300$ at microcenter
thank you AMD for being making this upgrade so simple!
Any Chance of seeing how this performs on Linux gaming. Especially interested to how the proton layer is effected by having greater amounts of cache available.
yes me too. I recently switched to linux and I have this channel bookmarked specifically for linux info. I know the lvl1techLinux exists but that doesn't get a lot of content.
@@odizzido Hey, I'm looking to switch, got some channel recommendations for starters (proton etc)?
@@adriankoch964 Chris Titus Tech, Linux Gaming PC, DistroTube ...
@@adriankoch964 check out the channel "Awesome Open Source" there is many interesting Linux applications being shown there, also some alternatives to Proprietary and Windows Software which might help you out.
@@adriankoch964 Chris Titus Tech has a few good streams and videos and Blog write ups to follow along .
I must warn you the rabbit hole is deep.
start with arch it's not as scary as it seem . if you break something it will happen then just have timeshift installed to revert back to the known good version .
All the best
I've built an X470 Crosshair VII with a 2700 (non X) back 2017 and with this jump in gaming performance I might have to break down and an upgrade to this 5800X3D. Hats off to AMD for having such a come back and longevity on one generation. I am torn though because AM5 is right around the corner. Seriously the advancements they've accomplished not just in the PC space but technologically to push this outgoing generation to its max has brought so much enthusiasm and competition back that it really benefits us as consumers.
@PHD DOOM I too have an X470 but its an Asrock wifi SLI and with the same CPU as you do, so if i were to upgrade to 5800X3D. Will I have to do do Bios update or just drop it in?
Yes. Before you drop a newer CPU in your Asrock motherboard make sure you have the most up-to-date BIOS to insure you unlock all of it's features and for stability. Go to the Asrock website site and on the downloads or support page you just need to look up your motherboard and look for the most recent BIOS update.
@@MrAddis aaah i don't have to download fron the start and go up to the most recent release? I'd just have to go to the newest one?
Thanks Wendell, was waiting for this review!
Always love Wendell's coverage of things. Well done Wendell (hope I didnt misspell name )
8 minutes in and i am SOLD. My Ol' 2800x has been a little champ. But I am so curious how much of a bottleneck that has been for my 2080 Ti.
As amazing as this Cpu is, I wish there was a 5900x 3D.
Yess. I was also waiting for an upgrade from my trusty 3700x while increasing core count.
Some have said it was to hard to add extra 3D cache to a cpu that has more then one CCX. Like it would added to much latency on the infinity cache bridge too the two or more CCX chips. So in short it would have hindered a 5900x3D hence why they did not make one.
@@digitaltactics9234 Don't get me wrong, I'm all read up on it and I understand why there's no higher core variant, it is just something I would have liked to see.
There is one big problem... 5900x and 5950x are mainly CPU for productivity. 5900x3d would be worse in productivity than normal 5900x, so it make very little sense to produce CPU like that!
You make CPU that is slower than then old one and would cost 2*$110=$220 more than the normal one... It would be hard market for CPU like that! Even 5800x3d has hard time. You can get 5900x at the same price or cheaper and 5900x beats 5800x3d hands down at everything else except gaming. So for pure gamers 5800x3d makes sense, but 5900x3d for content creator does not make any sense at all!
@@haukionkannel No problem as it IS meant for gamers
You saved me some money with this AM4 refresh without a seemingly unnecessary upgrade cost to AM5. Thanks.
Currently I have B450 with 5900X after upgrade from 3900X. Does the job very well.
Thats my motherboard! Wonderful to know it actually works, thanks for testing.
It's kind of hilarious that AMD was able to beat the big bad 12900KS. "Do we need to release a new architecture?" Nah just add more cache!
Original story of "Intel is better at games (while costing more) but Ryzen is better at productivity applications" has been flipped on it's head!
Intel have more cores doesn't exactly beats a 5950x at the time
@@chriswright8074 Not to mention 5950X is still a general purpose CPU.. their productivity-focused lineup is the Threadripper family and Intel literally has nothing to compete there.
he must be doing different tests to mine I have a I9 1200ks it hammers the amd cpu
@@chadbrick67 Yeah, there has not yet been any reviews where this CPU is paired against other CPUs in optimized systems. It is just "here is this running in stock" (because it cannot do anything else) and "here is this competitor running in stock" (even though you can push ~10% more from it if you want to.
It's pretty impressive that AMD has been able to neutralize Alder lake, Intel's latest and greatest with a 17 month old architecture on a CPU that costs significantly less and uses significantly less power, as well as DDR4 memory vs DDR5.
Factor in that Intel has an R&D budget 650% larger and an annual revenue over 800% larger than AMD's and its pretty embarrassing for Intel. If AMD had Intel's budget and resources, Intel would be embarrassed on a whole other level.
Ok my question is this: what other workloads not currently optimised to take advantage of the larger cache could be easily reworked to take advantage of it? And how would one identify them.
You and Patrick touched on this issue in your talk. And I believe Dr cutress brought up a similar point as well at one point.
Workloads not optimized to take advantage would be small workloads with a small memory footprint usually. Not much you can do about that
@@Jaker788 it feels like there must be some way to step through the code and quantify the cost of all the hoops some programs jump through to maintain a small memory footprint. Far beyond my skill level but it feels like it should be possible
@@christopherjackson2157 Most of the time when you have a small footprint memory-wise, you either just didn't give up anything(cause you where small to start), or you gave up having large features you may not really have wanted anyway. There will be cases where more cache means you can have bigger data for the same performance, but anything that didn't care now will probably not later. x86 had big caches to start with, this is just application specific overkill.
The real question is - who would do the optimization that will only help
@@CZmiho well I think they developed the 3d cache knowing that large physics simulations like those discussed in Wendells earlier video were a large enough market to justify the existence of the product and hoping that others could hopefully run faster algorithms if they had the cache to work with. When a single customer is explaining how something scales across 30000 epyc cores to optimise the design of their product... if the 1 percent of customers who would benefit all buy 1000 cpus at a time... I really don't know how the economies of that would work it's entirely outside of my wheelhouse. But certainly both and Intel are willing to develop new technologies to the spec of single clients if it's a big enough contract
I updated lately the BIOS of my _MSI B350 Mortar Arctic_ motherboard, that i bought together with the _Ryzen 5 1600_ during the initial release of the AMD Ryzen platform in the spring of 2017. Now i have the choice to install the latest and greatest CPU & APU (5700G, 5800X3D, 5950X) on my 1st gen Motherboard five years later!
Imagine buying an Intel Kaby Lake motherboard back then! You would have stuck at the (4C/8T) i7 7700K at best, for the last 5 years.
Stellaris needs a built in performance test so we can compare CPU performance.
Honestly... I'm glad I'm not the only one willing to shell out $$$ only to play stellaris a little faster lol
@@tubawest9768 I play games like skylines, football manager, and stellaris. Pretty much nobody does cpu/gpu testing on those sort of games. Makes it really difficult to figure out what the game wants for cpu.
About the best I could find was some of the community doing performance testing of different CPUs in football manager. But it’s still difficult to tell if that is dependent merely on clocks or if cache would make a significant difference. Blah
@@tubawest9768 I mean it slows down hard in the end game.
I will compare my 12900k on it
i'd love to see highly modded minecraft thrown in alongside the AAA stuff, nothing destroys a highend system more effectively than modded MC, seeing which cpu/gpu combos can* actually cope well with it would be of interest to a lot of pc buyers believe it or not
or every path traced doom that seems to chew up the GPU
Just went from a 1700x to this, so happy with it :) Already upgraded my gpu before, but at this rate my x370 motherboard can easily last another 7 years
RUclips didn't recommend this review on launch day. Nice review
With the price drops, this finally convinced me to upgrade from my 2600x. It'll let my computer last another 5 years before I have to fully upgrade.
I went 5600X3D for $199, saved $90 and its a super rare part that beats the 5700X3D. I had to skip the bundle and simple drop in to my B-450 because I found an MSI MEG Unify B550 for $75 open box at the store. Its a $300 pro overclock board with one click X3D CPU booster and RAM whatever you want one click feature.
this chip is incredible for simulator gamers. Like Microsoft Flight Sim, DCS, Assetto Corsa, etc. It performs on par or better than even a 13900k in those games. Absolutely crazy.
However with a 4090 I am now definitely looking forward to the 7000X3D chips, as I'm CPU limited in these games, even in VR at extremely high resolutions.
Sheeesh you tryna build a thermonuclear reactor LMAO
I've got the 2700x with a 1080 TI. I'm trying to decide between the 5,900x and the 5800 X 3D. I will be upgrading my video card as soon as I upgrade my monitor. For my workloads generally more cores is more useful. But I really really want the new technology. First world problems.
same dilema, not helped by that 5900x is cheaper now
This + B550 Aorus Master + 32GB of CL14 3600Mhz RAM pushed to 3700 for synchronous Infinity Fabric = winner winner chicken dinner
I intend to upgrade my Ryzen 9 3900X/Nvidia RTX 3080 system to this CPU strictly for 1440P, single player games. I won't upgrade to a new CPU platform for at least 2 more years. More likely I will just upgrade my GPU next year to the RTX 4080.
This thing stands up to a 7900xtx perfectly
still on am4 with a 5800x3d and a 7800xt , love this setup. upgraded from a 5800x to the 3d and the 5800x couldnt get my 7800xt to full util at 1080p, got huge performance uplifts with the 3d
i *did* get a 3090 for $700, then upgraded to a 5800x3d and its awesome!
I must be lucky with my 5800x when I enabled PBO and fiddled with some negative off set for power I got the ability for it to boost and hold at 4.95 single-core and 4.75 all core with a 240 aio
Silicon lotto my guy. Sometimes it plays into our favor, my 3800x holds a solid 4.6 all core at 70c with a 360 aio. Other people.. have done jack shit with PBO, and have called it bogus.
@@crisnmaryfam7344 in comparison to you I would say I got the Bronze award in terms of maximizing your CPU 😅
Oh , i forget to mention , TSMCs TSV technology supports more than 10 layers , AMD uses just 1 layer ... , its the first implementation but stacking gets more and more common with memory chips . Its not crazy to predict several GB L3 Cache , its only a matter of yield . If a 2 layer of L3 stack has nearly the same yield as a one layer they will do it , or maybe 10 % lower - it would still worth it . DDR Memory will use TSV , Samsung has shown a first 12-Layer 3D-TSV Chip Packaging Technology = DDR4/5 Memory capacity will go up .
yeah but no...the problem that they are already facing with this version is that the memory gets between the cpu die and IHS that's probably the real reason for the non overclockability more than the voltage
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The main reason for the lower Boost clocks are definitly the limitation to 1,35v instead of 1,5-1,6v . But yes , under full load you have one layer that blocks heat Transfer . The reason that there is no second layer is in my eyes that the one layer adds 4 ns in latency , if a second layer would add another 4 ns , that may be not worth it . And you dont have to forget that the 5800X3d is in the same 105W TDP enevelope , additional cache needs additional energy , not that much but enough to lower the Base clock by 100 - 200 Mhz . There is a reason why AM5 will go up to 170 W TDP
@@MK-xc9to This. It seems likely the core and cache are fed from the same source and cannot be set independently. Ryzen CPU single thread boost clocks demand up to 1.5v, and never produce as much heat in that when lightly threaded. Then refer back to Intel's 10th gen die shaving. Its purpose was to allow heat to escape the die faster. AMD had to do the same thing to keep the height even, but also provides the same thermal benefit. The boost clocks definitely fell from lower available voltage.
I have just upgraded to the Ryzen 5800x3D and a b550 motherboard. I play at 1440p and have a RTX2070. The system runs games brilliantly and is not too expensive. The intel CPU I looked at was £800 and I got this one for £320
5800x owner since Day 1. Im waiting on Ryzen 7800x
Thanks for the review. Nice to see this after the e-waste launch a couple of weeks ago. I think that the performance per watt is BANANAS. I'll be interested to see what the pricing is because the 5900X is $400 this morning at MicroCenter and it would be hard to justify picking one of these up for the $450 MSRP but the trash they just released is still at launch pricing (which was bananas but not in a good way).
this is going to be a great upgrade from my 2400g lol!
I am using R5 1600X "upgraded" from a friend to R5 3600 and I plan to buy the R7 5800X3D on my Asus Crosshair VI X370 mobo
I replaced my 3700x with 5800x3d (B450 + 3090 + 3200hz ram) even perfect with 4k gaming
I upgraded from a 3900XT and wow! What a change. What I had to do is PBO2 to -30 on all cores due to it is really hot. A complete champion for my Warzone and Apex games! I will sell my 3900XT out of the US for more cash 💵
Coming from a 3700X on a Gigabyte X570 Master, the 5800X3D is the natural last upgrade for me on this platform. Especially now that I grabbed my 5800X3D on sale for $299. I dont use the PC for anything more intensive other than gaming. I was considering either the 5900X or the 5950X, however considering I would never utilize the extra cores, the clock speed hit for the 5800X3D is no where near as bad as the difference in performance everywhere else when it excels. Again especially coming from a 3700X, i'll see performance boost across the board, and have one of the best gaming chips. Especially because i mostly play triple-A titles, not so much of the e-sports stuff. Oh - the 5800X3D is also getting paired with my GPU upgrade, going from a Asus Strix 2070 Super, to an EVGA 3080Ti FTW3. I play at 1440P, so should be a good pairing once everything is installed and setup.
I just upgraded from a 1600 to a 5800x3d on a b350, also went from a geforce gtx 960 to a 6700 xt.
I bought a x570 motherboard, 5800x3d and a cooler for around $420. I bought a used motherboard for super cheap
This chip is made for anyone who is currently running a 1000 to 3000 series AM4 chip. By the way this will work with any AM4 board including B350
Excellent review!!
Cool video as usual, but I just noticed the Lexmark MFD in the background. I feel so bad for y'all.
This might be an interesting upgrade for my B550 R7 3700X game machine, and probably enough to tide me over until DDR5 prices drop and they (hopefully) sort out the ridiculous speed drop for 4 DIMM configs. From what I'm seeing across multiple reviews the titles I'd want to run would actually benefit from it, so it's something to consider.
Can you do a video on how it scales with tuned 3800c14 ram and compare it to a tuned and overclocked 5800x with the same ram?
5800x is better
On my MSI X470 Gaming Pro ($120 board at time of purchase) it is possible to socket every single Ryzen CPU from 2016 - 2022. Absolutely fantastic.
I just switched from a I9-11900k to a AMD 5800X3D CPU. On COD I went from 120fps to over 200fps avg. Everything else in my computer is the same. Changed nothing but the mother board and CPU. I went with a MSI MAG elite Wi-Fi B550 mother board.
I'd like to see future such CPUs with OC, even if the voltage maximums are locked. FI, I have SoC bumped up on my regular Ryzen, but a negative offset in Curve Optimizer, for better boosting.
Awesome. Very solid price/performance.
recently bought a 6900xt from a 580 just cause my life has improved a lot since i bought my first pc when i was in highschool. my only thing is i dont think my 3600 can keep up with my 6900xt in esports titles and im wondering if i should wait for zen 4 as its very close.
Imo just wait, I have a 3950x paired with a 3090 and I'm waiting for AM5.
Even if you don’t end up getting Zen 4, it never hurts to wait. At the very least, current Zen 3 CPU’s will likely get discounted around the time of Zen 4 launch. Already, I’ve seen the 5900X dip below $400 USD at some retailers, which is an insane deal. If you don’t need the 12 cores, then wait for the 5700X to go below $300. It’s likely to get down to or below $250 in the coming months.
This will be a good upgrade from my 1700X! Thanks Wendell!
Is there a test 5800X oc up to 4800 - 4850 MHz against 5800X3D? What should be done to understand whether it is worth changing 5800X to 5800X3D? And what memory frequency works stably with IF 1:1 on 5800X3D?
How does the 5800X3D do with compilation? I do android rom development, and thats a big job. Is it much better than my 3700x?
5900X would probably be a better bump in that workload but research would have to be done. I think that workload is more core and frequency dependent
It's not a production or work CPU, It is more targeted for gaming.
It'll be better, but not because of the cache. You'd likely get better results with a 5800X over a 5800X3D. If you're compiler is poorly threaded, then even a 5600X would get you a notable increase. If it's well-threaded, then you'd be better off with the 5900X or 5950X. Well, in that situation, a 3900X or 3950X would also help.
@@TrueThanny I feel 3950Xs are still too much on the used market currently and the 5900X with unified cache and IPC advantages would compile most code faster but one would have to benchmark his specific compiler to see. Just my take.
5900x is selling for about $380 right now. Probably better off getting that for compilation.
My first PC build was a mini-ITX X570 with a grey market Ryzen 5 Pro 4650G. I was infatuated with the small form factor (dunno why, found it cute, maybe), and we were still in the middle of the GPU bubble... I've been happy with it, it runs all games decently (as long as I don't get too fancy with the settings), so I've been holding on for good deals on a GPU (prolly 6700-6800 series, don't care much for RT). That said, if I ever upgrade my CPU, this baby is on my crosshairs! ;-)
it's the 1 percent lows that really matter with this cpu. great for vr simmers who can finally enjoy a stutter free experience. one happy customer...for once!
Just got me a 5950X Man this thing is amazing, Upgraded from a 1700X. My workstattion build is officially complete combined with a 3080. My only weak point now is my RAM rated at 2400hz, 32GBs. But an upgrade doesnt seem worth the price
RAM is so cheap now you can get a 3600MHz kit of 32GB for under $100.00.
Ddr4 is cheap and you are leaving a fair bit of performance on the table. Get some 3200-3600mhz cl16 and see the difference.
@@jamiekelly6851 i need some opinions cshould I buy 4×8GB or 2x16GB at 3600hz
@@jamiekelly6851 did some research went with 2x16gbs bought cl14s dont worry about the price😅
I thought the Factorio "updates per second" improvement was just out of this world hilarious.
Imagine if Sony and Microsoft snatch up some of this V-Cache tech for their console refreshes. 👀
Would that really do something? Aren't they hitting a ceiling on GPU utilization already?
@@ObscenePizza they can do unified cache instead, L3 for the CPU and InfinityCache for the GPU. This could help the memory a lot, especially since GDDR tends to have high latency.
as a gamer on a 2700x/b450 tomahawk system.....weeeee :) the 5800x3d is around the same money as a kit of 32gb ddr5 ram in my country right now
Yeah the whole "which games benefit" can be sumarized by how data intensive those games are. CS:GO doesn't have a KA-billion textures with hundreds of assets or structures around you. The world is very simple. No hair folicles, no pretty grass waving around with grain on stem, etc..... It's a HIGH fps shooter for that reason. The data is small. Therefore CPUs already have enough cache to deal with the assets that are around you at any given point.
Same issue with the Milan-X was tested. It's all about the data set and where it resides. If these data sets have to live in DRAM because the CPU needs fast access to it, like a game, the more of that data that needs to be processed immediately that can reside in cache, the better. This is how cache affects IPC.
Finally someone who noes whats the real deal, AMD, the cream of the crop, new technology is on its way. Thanks, great review.
Running a 5600x and a 5800x
I still have my Ryzen 2700 (non X) from 4 years ago so I guess upgrading to this CPU is a no brainer I just need to but it, swap my old CPU and thats its! No extra cost to upgrade...
I've seen this chip tested with nothing but 3090s. I'd really like to see if the Vcache helps out framerates for mid-range GPUs as well or not at all. I'm on a 5700XT and a non-x 3600 atm. I am planning to upgrade the GPU at some point, but not soon. I figure I may as well upgrade the CPU in the meantime because I'm not planning on jumping onto AM5 as soon as it comes out. I'm currently considering the 5700X.
If you play heavily CPU bound games like MMOs the x3d is a huge upgrade, if you play GPU bound games the 5700xt is the limiting factor.
World of Warcraft, for example, would get double the fps in 25 and 40 player content from a cpu upgrade. One of the most CPU bound games out there. A lot of first person shooters would get almost nothing.
@@p51mustang24 Thanks for replying :) I appreciate it.
I did eventually end up buying the 5800X3D and changed my 5700XT for a 6700XT. I'm hoping the 5800X3D will keep my rig in service for another 2 or 3 GPU generations.
I have a 5900X and I have been running my memory at 3600 16,16,16,16,36 IF at 1800 and I turned PBO on, It seems to do a little better with Synthetic Benchmarks.. But the Overclock that matters the most is the one on my 6800XT I have been able to keep the clock at 2500Mhz in games it will drop down to like 2475 2450 but it hangs around that 2500mhz range with a good overclock, I have seen people run some games at 2700Mhz with the 6800XT nut most people that can back it down to 2650 and run it 2550 to 2650 on the low to high, and with the fans all the way up you can do it, But Not me I would rather run 2400 to 2500 and save on fan noise..
I just ordered it, to change a 3700X ;)
❤ my next cpu.
Coming from a 3700x , the desktop benchmark part would be an upgrade to me not counting the gaming.
5600x vs 5800x3d with 3060ti or 6700xt gaming ? does the 5800x3d 3d v- cache improve performance on all GPU'S or just high end cards
Valentine's Day 2024, Micro Center Bundle for $299.99 US: Ryzen 5800X3D, Asus TUF B550 WiFi-Plus ATX & 16GB-3200 Kit. Being a diehard AM4 Fan: 3 PC & 1 DIY Server, this allowed allowed me to transition my 2700X-X470 PC to Media Server duties (with that 16GB Kit) & bought a $700 RX 7900XT for a reasonably priced Gaming PC (I had a spare Samsung 980 Pro 2TB for the Boot Drive.).
5800X3D at $450 for such poor productivity performance doesnt make sense IMO. The 12700F at $310 has 5900x multithreaded performance, and 12900k gaming performance. The extra $140 you save can go towarda a better GPU where you actually will get gaming FPS gains.
It makes perfect sense for a lot of people.
Bios update, take out the old Ryzen 1700, put in a 5800x3d and go.
Upgrading to a new 12700 platform would cost much more then the advertised price of the 5800x3d.
If you do not have a AM4 platform to begin with, then I agree that one of the 12700 is a better option.
Personally I think I am going for a regular 5800x instead, it looks to be a fair bit cheaper and "good enough" and the 5700x is only 15€ cheaper then the 5800x.
It makes a lot of sense!
If you have something like 2700 or 3600 and want to upgrade. Take 5800x3d and you have one of the best gaming CPUs you can get for only $450!
If you need productivity upgrade... Buy 5900x for $380 and you get hefty productivity upgrade.
If you want to have fastest gaming rig new... This 5800x3d is cheaper that 12900KS and about same speed and does not need fast DDR5 to get that speed. You hae plenty of money to your 3090ti GPU compared to 12900KS platform.
I in fact, got a deal for a 1700X/X470 Taichi Combo for $310 ($150/$160) from Micro Center, followed by a 2700X/B450 Aorus uATX Combo ($129/$55) in a Micro Center Black November DeaL. With the 5800X3D, I can buy it from Micro Center with a B450 MoBo in a Combo Deal, which I'll use in a 1700X Media Server after CPU Swapout. I have a 64GB Kit of 3600CL16 RAM awaiting the 5800X3D.
Hmmmm this is of interest. I'm running a 56000x with GSkill 3800MHz CL14 RAM and a 6800XT (couldn't find a 3080 in Canada to save my life). I may see better longevity out of this system that I built in November.
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