I was there! What legendary players on both sides. As a Rams fan I was mesmerised by Hinton's brilliance but my abiding memory was of the great Bobby Charlton. He took football s seriously that he was as upset at the final whistle as if West Germany had won in '66. The conummate professional! This was a game between 22 real men!
Great to see this footage. Recently bought a signed photo of Dave Mckay bringing the cup out of the tunnel, only time I have seen anything of this match. Did not start infants school until Sept.'70 so a bit before my time. Lol.
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When you think of players like Todd, Nish, Macdonald, Shilton and possibly Ball who McGuinness had ready to sign for Utd and were vetoed by Busby - BUSBY - and the Board, it's so sad - both for the club and for the effect it had on poor George Best's career.
I was born in 1968 and so was obviously too young at the time to follow the game. But as I grew up in the late seventies and early eighties I did hear just a few brave souls suggest that Sir Matt had undermined McGuiness. Perhaps what you said regarding the signings is what they were referring to. A retired manager can be a hindrance. Liverpool had to be harsh with Shankley when he was hanging around Melwood as well. Maybe they just can't learn to give it over and delegate. After the European Cup there was nowhere for him to go; Busby was emotionally spent. Even Clough at the end was a wreck. But we remember them for their primes, not the frailty that age brings.
@@oleggorky906 Hi, thanks for the reply, I'm afraid that the truth was that Busby didn't want anyone equalling him or even overshadowing him in the future (like Paisley would later do to Shankly at Liverpool). Look at the great players who United lost, and the mediocre and/or aging players poor Wilf was left with - same with Frank O'Farrell after him. Busby, even though it wasn't his money of course, was always extremely reluctant to give wage rises as well, players from other clubs were astonished when they learnt United's pay figures. And if you stood up to him, you were out, as John Giles found out after winning an FA Cup winning medal with Utd in 1963. He has said, he disagreed with Busby, stood up to him, and within days was out. What a stupid decision by Busby that was! Imagine how George and Giles could have worked together in the years ahead.
@@michaelfenton3923 Yes, and they'd have won much more (and Leeds probably much less) with Giles in the team. Of course he was a winger with United, it was Revie who turned him into one of the greatest midfield players ever.
Hard to believe a competition that not all sides were involved in, could generate a big crowd like this. The 1970s were not good for Manchester United, only 1 trophy won and a relegation.
@@simonmason8582 Thanks,...was it Hull v Man Utd? One second later, it looked like George Best crossing the ball and a few dozen MU fans jumping up on the home terrace,.... or maybe I've got the wrong game?
Derby...worthy winners, much better passing and possession. The genius that was the mighty Brian Clough. But I wonder if Alan Hinton ever sprinted up the touchline then hit the bye-line to whip the ball across the face of the goal? Always cutting inside on this performance.
It was basically a number pre-season friendlies. So they created this cup, invited some teams high & low & hey presto. Some of the matches were live but quality was mediocre as no one wanted injuries before the season kicked off in earnest. Included some teams from Scotland, so Watneys was quite appropriated for the Jocks & a certain George Best. Hic.
@@roderickscott7429 Yeah, and there was also the Texaco Cup, which in England had four regional qualifying groups (a bit like the World Cup), then Scottish teams joined in at the quarter-final stage. My own team, Oldham Athletic, won their group in 1974, then went on to beat Hearts (over two legs) and lost to Southampton in the semi-final.
LOL @ Watney Cup. The two highest scoring teams form each division that did NOT get promoted or qualify for Europe. So basically a losers cup. Would never see Leeds or Liverpool in this.
You correctly identified Liverpool and Leeds as two of the giants of the early 70s. However, between 1971 and 1975, Derby were champions twice...Leeds and Liverpool only managed one championship each. Derby were far from losers at that time. There record from 1969 was 4th, 9th, 1st, 7th, 4th and 1st again in 1975.
You have forgotten Spurs, Arsenal, City and Newcastle, the days when money did not matter whoever you were. Spurs were in the Texaco cup that season but have not won the title since 1961, 9 years before this match. All British players not overpaid foreigners.
I think that great Man U team of the sixties were on the wane by then. They made some awful signing around this time too. Poor old Ian Ure for one. It was a case of 'to whom it may concern' whenever he passed the ball
It’s nice to see that both teams and sets of supporters took this competition seriously, it would not happen now.⚽️
I watched this on the tv when I was 8. As a Rams fan I was so excited and proud.
My Dad played in this and WON 🏆
Top man, loved watching John play
I was there! What legendary players on both sides. As a Rams fan I was mesmerised by Hinton's brilliance but my abiding memory was of the great Bobby Charlton. He took football s seriously that he was as upset at the final whistle as if West Germany had won in '66. The conummate professional! This was a game between 22 real men!
What a great programme and panel. It's a pity they don't make them like this anymore.
Great to see this footage. Recently bought a signed photo of Dave Mckay bringing the cup out of the tunnel, only time I have seen anything of this match. Did not start infants school until Sept.'70 so a bit before my time. Lol.
GOOD DAY. WATCHED YOUR NICE VIDEO AND GOT GREAT PLEASURE. FANTASTIC MATCH. SUPERB IMAGE. BRAVO! SO LIKE AND THANKS FROM ME. COUNTRY AZERBAIJAN. BAKU CITY
My grandad was at this game. My family never missed a United game. I still have the programme from this game
When you think of players like Todd, Nish, Macdonald, Shilton and possibly Ball who McGuinness had ready to sign for Utd and were vetoed by Busby - BUSBY - and the Board, it's so sad - both for the club and for the effect it had on poor George Best's career.
I was born in 1968 and so was obviously too young at the time to follow the game. But as I grew up in the late seventies and early eighties I did hear just a few brave souls suggest that Sir Matt had undermined McGuiness. Perhaps what you said regarding the signings is what they were referring to.
A retired manager can be a hindrance. Liverpool had to be harsh with Shankley when he was hanging around Melwood as well.
Maybe they just can't learn to give it over and delegate. After the European Cup there was nowhere for him to go; Busby was emotionally spent. Even Clough at the end was a wreck.
But we remember them for their primes, not the frailty that age brings.
@@oleggorky906 Hi, thanks for the reply, I'm afraid that the truth was that Busby didn't want anyone equalling him or even overshadowing him in the future (like Paisley would later do to Shankly at Liverpool).
Look at the great players who United lost, and the mediocre and/or aging players poor Wilf was left with - same with Frank O'Farrell after him.
Busby, even though it wasn't his money of course, was always extremely reluctant to give wage rises as well, players from other clubs were astonished when they learnt United's pay figures.
And if you stood up to him, you were out, as John Giles found out after winning an FA Cup winning medal with Utd in 1963. He has said, he disagreed with Busby, stood up to him, and within days was out. What a stupid decision by Busby that was! Imagine how George and Giles could have worked together in the years ahead.
@@ysgol3 After Giles left they won league twice and became the first English team to be crowned European champions!
@@michaelfenton3923 Yes, and they'd have won much more (and Leeds probably much less) with Giles in the team.
Of course he was a winger with United, it was Revie who turned him into one of the greatest midfield players ever.
Agree to disagree👍
40:00 Nice pass from G Best there!
41:34 Brian Clough joined ITV WORLD CUP panel 4 years later.
Hard to believe a competition that not all sides were involved in, could generate a big crowd like this. The 1970s were not good for Manchester United, only 1 trophy won and a relegation.
Spectacular hair styles and tailoring. But, weren't Derby County great?
@ 0-34,...who was that Hull player No. 9 who slammed in that volley
top left, a quite brilliant strike?
Chris Chilton.
@@simonmason8582 Thanks,...was it Hull v Man Utd?
One second later, it looked like George Best crossing the ball
and a few dozen MU fans jumping up on the home terrace,....
or maybe I've got the wrong game?
@@lennylaa1686 Yes - I was there. It was the first penalty shoot out as well. Hull City v Man Utd at the old Boothferry Park.
10:44 LOL, classic!
Forest fans were very naughty at this match. Fighting with Derby and Man U.
I was at the match ..... COYR
Derby...worthy winners, much better passing and possession.
The genius that was the mighty Brian Clough.
But I wonder if Alan Hinton ever sprinted up the touchline
then hit the bye-line to whip the ball across the face of the goal?
Always cutting inside on this performance.
10:30 minute sequence -- not one card after this.
Was this networked
It was basically a number pre-season friendlies. So they created this cup, invited some teams high & low & hey presto. Some of the matches were live but quality was mediocre as no one wanted injuries before the season kicked off in earnest. Included some teams from Scotland, so Watneys was quite appropriated for the Jocks & a certain George Best. Hic.
@@wildbill6826 we had the Dryburgh cup , first round , semi final and final all in 7/8 days .it was a good way to start season .
@@roderickscott7429
Yeah, and there was also the Texaco Cup, which in England had four regional qualifying groups (a bit like the World Cup), then Scottish teams joined in at the quarter-final stage. My own team, Oldham Athletic, won their group in 1974, then went on to beat Hearts (over two legs) and lost to Southampton in the semi-final.
Yes, shown on all ITV regions before the season began.
This does get shown on MUTV sometimes
9:00 to 9:20 open goal my foot.
23:23.
Shame about the slightly distorted frame of film!
LOL @ Watney Cup. The two highest scoring teams form each division that did NOT get promoted or qualify for Europe. So basically a losers cup. Would never see Leeds or Liverpool in this.
You correctly identified Liverpool and Leeds as two of the giants of the early 70s. However, between 1971 and 1975, Derby were champions twice...Leeds and Liverpool only managed one championship each. Derby were far from losers at that time. There record from 1969 was 4th, 9th, 1st, 7th, 4th and 1st again in 1975.
You can hardly put the mighty Liverpool in the same conversation as Leeds.
You have forgotten Spurs, Arsenal, City and Newcastle, the days when money did not matter whoever you were. Spurs were in the Texaco cup that season but have not won the title since 1961, 9 years before this match. All British players not overpaid foreigners.
Good to see how crap United were then. Still are in truth despite their league position which is only what it is due to them only beating crap teams.
So I guess all the premiership are crap except Man City 😂😂😂😂
I think that great Man U team of the sixties were on the wane by then. They made some awful signing around this time too. Poor old Ian Ure for one. It was a case of 'to whom it may concern' whenever he passed the ball