The PEN IS MIGHTIER than the Keyboard

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
  • This video delves deeper into the science behind the pen. Let's take a look at one study by Pam A. Mueller and Daniel M. Oppenheimer. This study compared the differences between longhand notes with pen and paper, and laptop note taking with the keyboard.
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  • @gyozakeynsianism
    @gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад +8

    Great installment! In economics, there's a distinction you can make between the true effect of a change (it's call 'identification') and the effect of the policy surrounding that change. In an experimental study, for example, there's a treatment group and a control group - but say the researchers don't know whether some of the control group got a hold of the treatment, and whether some of the treatment group didn't bother with the treatment. You don't "really" know how effective the treatment is. But you have learned something: if the treatment group still has better outcomes, then the policy as a whole may still be considered a success.
    That's what came to mind when you mentioned the typing students being asked to think conceptually, or to take short-hand notes, or whatever exactly it was that they were asked to do. The typing students still did worse. We don't "really" know if it's because of the conceptual thinking or whatever, or if it's something else. But (if we take the study's results at face value) we have learned that simply switching to hand-written notes did something - we don't know what - that improved performance.
    I'm happy to accept the study's results because they are so intuitive. Taking handwritten notes forces you to think in terms of the concepts being discussed, not the specific set of words used. It also allows you to draw diagrams and write out math a lot more easily (both of which are a kind of conceptual learning). And because of these two things, it forces students to engage with the material in a deeper way. So it doesn't shock me at all that researchers would find that taking handwritten notes is better for students.
    Oh, and there's also the issue of laptops having a screen that is always in your field of vision. It's just begging you to keep Twitter or Facebook Messenger or RUclips or notes from another course up during lecture. (Don't believe me? When in-class teaching returns, go to a big lecture and sit in the back - and look at all the screens!) Taking handwritten notes on a PC, on the other hand, is far more natural with the device nearly flat on your table. Students are looking up and then looking down to take their notes - just like with pen and paper. The opportunity to be distracted by your screen is far lower.

  • @RAGINGXBULL2
    @RAGINGXBULL2 3 года назад +4

    As a student I will say that typing does have its benefits. Particularly with the implementation of flash card software like Anki. Being someone with a busy schedule, the process of creating flash cards has to be rapid. I could do this with handwriting to text conversion, but this would take too long.

    • @oztabletpc
      @oztabletpc  3 года назад +1

      As mentioned, both have their place.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад +2

      Flash cards are great for memorizing things. They're less helpful for concepts and interrelations of concepts - which is most of what you're learning from high school onward.

  • @Vincetorix
    @Vincetorix 3 года назад +3

    Purely anecdotal, but when I was in my first year of college (about 10 years ago), I'd say about 50% of students were taking notes on their laptop, with the other half using traditional pen and paper. I'm not implying any correlation or causation here, but by my final year of college, almost everyone was taking notes with pen and paper.
    This is one of those areas that could really use a thorough, large-scale study, as it would improve our understanding of how the brain works, and we would be able to better advise students on which notetaking methods work best.

    • @oztabletpc
      @oztabletpc  3 года назад +1

      More to come 😉👍

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад +3

      I went to university not long before then. I went to a college where students overall were very serious about their studies. Looking back, I realize that very few students took notes on their laptops (though they all had one). Now that I have the experience teaching college students (at a college where students on average are not as driven, and where the majority of students take notes using their laptops) my theory is that taking notes by typing is a way of disengaging, of automating the process of "recording" the lecture without expending too much mental effort. The problem is that the mental effort is what drives the learning.

  • @EdwardRLyons
    @EdwardRLyons 3 года назад +3

    This is a truly interesting series, and reminds me of something I read (or heard?) back in the 1990s, or thereabouts. That the best way to retain something is to hear, read and write it down, all at the same time. The reasoning seemed to be that by using three senses simultaneously (sight, hearing and touch -- but for the latter it's more to do with hand/brain coordination) learning, and therefore retention, are improved. The main advantage of typed notes within a computer system is the ability to search through them easily, using keywords, for example. But now, with the huge improvements in computer-based handwriting recognition (to be married in the not-too-distant-future with AI?) that one advantage is negated.
    And yet, the physical keyboard is likely to remain a primary input method, especially for composing text from scratch. I'm not a touch typist by any means, but I find that I can type quicker and keep up with my thinking process better as I work my way through an issue than if I was writing with a pen. Such as this comment! There's no way I would be writing this on my Surface Go rather than typing it on my full-size laptop keyboard! But, who knows. Future iterations of the Surface series might see even a long-term keyboard warrior like me finally revert back to pen and (virtual) paper!
    Looking forward to the next installment!

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад +2

      Interesting note. I can buy the "hear, read and write it down" idea - so long as it's not sentences verbatim. Hear the lecturer, look at the slide with some text and graphics that illustrate the point she is making, put them together in your head, then doodle something in your notebook - that sounds like a good learning process to me!

    • @fallinginthed33p
      @fallinginthed33p 3 года назад +1

      @@gyozakeynsianism There are still lecturers and entire learning systems that want you to copy from the board, like being a human photocopier. I find that idiotic.

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад +1

      @raboox9 Yeah, not so good! Memorization has its place, but the vast majority of useful learning is conceptual.

  • @triplogger8968
    @triplogger8968 3 года назад

    The last point you mentioned about notes not seeing the day light resonate with me. Sometimes the notes take don't make sense but just because I write them by hand, I actually remember more about the conversation even if the notes are chicken scratch.....also writing fewer words by hand makes me remember the conversation more vividly than typing....I try to tell that to my students but for some reason the new generation just tend to type notes more than hand writing.........Another great video and thanks for the content!!

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад +1

      "...also writing fewer words by hand makes me remember the conversation more vividly than typing..."
      That's because you're in the moment, paying full attention!

  • @fallinginthed33p
    @fallinginthed33p 3 года назад +1

    Interesting finding. I use a pen in OneNote for all my meetings notes, drawing all kinds of diagrams and squiggles, and I find I can easily condense them into summaries and to-dos compared to typed text. Maybe typing notes becomes more like transcribing what's being said, so there's not much higher order comprehension going on.

  • @darwinmcquerter7463
    @darwinmcquerter7463 3 года назад +1

    Great video!

  • @peterzacho6481
    @peterzacho6481 3 года назад +3

    There is a way of making note, i know it as "Mind map". You only right keywords and connect then with lines and it evolves all over the paper or Screen. No one els but you knows what's going on but you remember everything because of it..

    • @gyozakeynsianism
      @gyozakeynsianism 3 года назад +1

      Yes! There are also note taking systems, like the so-called Cornell system. Personally I never used formalized systems like that but I can see how they might work.

  • @smeagher6623
    @smeagher6623 2 года назад

    Hi Macro I write to ask if you can help me with a microsoft pen problem.
    Problem relates to pen strokes on videos clips in full presentation mode.
    Each ppt has 20 or so pages and each page has 3-4 video clips of medical procedures.
    1) Firstly I play the clip and then draw in red pen
    2) after this I lose the ability to pause the video ( arrow disappears and instead a red dot takes its place
    3) so in order to get back control of the clip back I have to hit the escape button and then I can pause the video and draw more...so frustrating.
    Have you any suggestions. thanks.
    if it helps I can email 1or 2 ppt pages to you or a screen capture to show you the pen problem if this helps.
    thanks

  • @smeagher6623
    @smeagher6623 2 года назад

    ​ @Marco Fogli Hi Macro I write to ask if you can help me with a microsoft pen problem. Problem relates to pen strokes on videos clips in full presentation mode. Each ppt has 20 or so mpages and each page has 3-4 video clips of medical procedures. 1)Firstly I play the clip and then draw in red pen 2) after this I loose the ability to pause the video ...in order to get control of the clip again I have to hit the escape button and I can pause and draw more...so fraustrating. Have you any suggestions. thanks. if it helps I can email 1 or twon pages to you or a screen capture of the pen problem if this helps. Many thansk for all your videos to date- so helpfull!!

  • @tabasumrafiqa8033
    @tabasumrafiqa8033 3 года назад +1

    Pen is mightier then computer one should not forget that FATHER CHARLES BABBAGE reached to computer because of history of pen. People on key boards should not turn crazy and not fight with people with pen in hands.

    • @smeagher6623
      @smeagher6623 2 года назад

      ​ @Marco Fogli Hi Macro I write to ask if you can help me with a microsoft pen problem. Problem relates to pen strokes on videos clips in full presentation mode. Each ppt has 20 or so mpages and each page has 3-4 video clips of medical procedures. 1)Firstly I play the clip and then draw in red pen 2) after this I loose the ability to pause the video ...in order to get control of the clip again I have to hit the escape button and I can pause and draw more...so fraustrating. Have you any suggestions. thanks. if it helps I can email 1 or twon pages to you or a screen capture of the pen problem if this helps. Many thansk for all your videos to date- so helpfull!!

  • @DanishnSonic
    @DanishnSonic 2 года назад

    I just want to say... YOU CAN'T STAB SOMEONE WITH A KEYBOARD *runs*

  • @amanshah6040
    @amanshah6040 3 года назад

    Ipad with Pencil is way better than surface for note taking.